#linuxcnc Logs

Nov 29 2018

01:09 AM enleth: CaptHindsight: I thought the consensus with drill presses is that if you want solid, rigid and reliable, you buy an old one and overhaul it
01:12 AM enleth: it doesn't take much effort to fix up a drill press unless it's in a very sorry condition and it *will* be better than almost anything you can buy new
01:12 AM enleth: especially if you don't want to spend $5k on a drill press that doesn't even try to avoid looking flimsy
01:16 AM enleth: that thing is 630lbs/290kg
01:17 AM enleth: a floor mounted drill press should weigh at least twice as much
01:17 AM CaptHindsight: what I usually have done
01:17 AM CaptHindsight: was wondering whats out there new
01:19 AM enleth: come to think of it, there's one very telling thing I noticed on every single NYC CNC's factory tour video
01:20 AM enleth: he toured some pretty high tech machine factories with top of the line 5 axis machining centers, CNC grinders and whatnot
01:21 AM enleth: but every single one of those had a bunch of vintage machines here and there
01:21 AM enleth: clearly operational and being used
01:21 AM enleth: and most of those were drill presses
01:22 AM enleth: at the same time, I haven't seen a single thing that looked like a contemporary drill press
01:22 AM enleth: might have been a coincidence caused by the tour plan and editing, but maybe not
01:23 AM enleth: if people who build new machines still use the old ones for some tasks, that means something
01:32 AM CaptHindsight: last new drill press I bought was in the 90's, was a Rigid
01:32 AM CaptHindsight: Ridgid
01:35 AM CaptHindsight: was likely at Home depot or menards on sale
01:36 AM CaptHindsight: I have some old Rockwells and a Bridgeport
01:36 AM CaptHindsight: I guess the Bridgeport is also a knee mill
01:39 AM enleth: even a clapped out bridgeport is still a decent drill press, lots of people seem to be using worn ones like that
02:27 AM Deejay: moin
04:26 AM XXCoder: can use my cnc router for this lol https://hackaday.com/2018/11/29/saucebot-uses-g-code-to-apply-condiments-with-precision/
05:16 AM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
05:16 AM jthornton: morning
05:16 AM Tom_L: morning
05:43 AM weenerdog: howdy
05:43 AM jthornton: hey
05:55 AM weenerdog: what cad software do you use? if i may ask
05:55 AM jthornton: SW
05:57 AM weenerdog: i've not learned it. reckon i might. i've used autocad and rhino for 25 years. i had hopes for fusion but it is awful lol
06:01 AM jthornton: yea I tried fusion but did not get it
06:02 AM jthornton: plus it's even a bigger resource hog than SW so it is so slow
06:07 AM rmu: solidworks is also a resource hog if you count licensing cost as resource
06:08 AM rmu: moore's law made cost of a useful CAD-workstation small-ish
06:09 AM gregcnc: what are you using other than SW?
06:10 AM rmu: i don't do cad, i generate my (usually very simple) toolpaths directly from ERP
06:13 AM gregcnc: what's out there that can do what SW does for less?
06:14 AM weenerdog: fusion would be alright and i'd probably learn it but for all the cloud nonsense. meh
06:15 AM weenerdog: heh i googled for "what is erp softaware" and got a DMCA bitch-o-gram
06:15 AM weenerdog: stwange
06:16 AM rmu: weenerdog: thats the business-stuff that tracks products orders accounting customers and so ojn
06:17 AM rmu: what is a DMCA bitch-o-gram and why would google return that as a result to "what is erp software"?
06:17 AM sync: basically what SAP is at its core
06:18 AM gregcnc: I guess I need to look around to see if there is anything new. out there, not that I would give up over 10y of SW work to switch
06:18 AM rmu: i find that for hobby-stuff and the occasional engraving, freecad and the path module works really well
06:19 AM gregcnc: not hobby grade
07:07 AM weenerdog: wow i didn't know sw was so popular
07:14 AM weenerdog: jesus harold christ $8000 ?
07:44 AM gregcnc: SW is a major industry software
07:45 AM gregcnc: not many are using it for hobby, unless they have a education or veteran license
07:47 AM gregcnc: apparently I really hosed my lathe a while back when something fell between the ways and the chuck jaws.
07:47 AM methods_: that will do it
07:47 AM gregcnc: i don't even remember exactly what happened
07:48 AM gregcnc: but I had .005"+ of runout
07:48 AM methods_: ouch
07:48 AM gregcnc: old clausing 4900
07:48 AM gregcnc: which is no good becuase parts are scarce
07:49 AM methods_: yea it would be nice if these old machine manufacturers would put the prints out for the parts on these old machines
07:50 AM methods_: that way people could get/make their own replacement parts
07:50 AM gregcnc: Sometimes they do, but sometimes prints are long gone
07:50 AM methods_: yeah
07:51 AM gregcnc: making a new one wouldn't be a problem if i had another larger lathe
07:53 AM gregcnc: and there hasn't been much worth buying on CL lately either
07:56 AM gregcnc: sounds like Clausing will send a print if they don't sell the part
08:06 AM weenerdog: sweet. i'm a vet. i didn't know sw did a veterans disc.
08:10 AM JT-Shop: it doesn't feel like 34°F outside this morning
08:11 AM weenerdog: it does here. was 13 this time yesterday
09:00 AM jthornton: damn monitor went blank I hope I didn't lose anything in 4 desktops...
09:15 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:21 AM pcw_home: can you just swap monitors?
09:22 AM jthornton: I'll try that next time
09:27 AM skunkworks: pcw_home: 7i80 - what is the minimum 5v before things get wonky?
09:48 AM pcw_home: it should be OK down to 4.5V or so, 5V is only used for the bus switch threshold setting and pullups (and daughterboard power)
10:15 AM skunkworks: oh - ok
10:27 AM skunkworks: We had some wonkyness on the matsurra - it started homing the wrong way. dad stopped it and tried to restart linuxcnc. at that point it didn't seem to see the card. unpluggin and replugging the power supply seemed to fix it.
10:27 AM skunkworks: (it was 4.7v - we are planning to move the power supply closer to the board)
10:28 AM skunkworks: (that supply also powers the daughter boards..)
10:36 AM pcw_home: Yeah, 4.7V should not interfere with seeing the 7I80 over Ethernet but maybe there's a stability issue if there's too much drop
10:37 AM pcw_home: (I have seen issues with wimpy power supplies and cyclic resetting due to current drain surges)
10:38 AM skunkworks: sure - it is a 2a supply but is quite a ways away from the boards..
10:52 AM pcw_home: homing the wrong way maybe indicates misreading a home switch?
10:54 AM pcw_home: because that requires a lot of things to be working or you would have a following error
11:08 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
11:09 AM cradek: I agree, that's got to be a stuck home switch
11:11 AM pcw_home: might not be a bad idea to have a upper bound on "move off home switch" moves
11:12 AM cradek: I think there is already an upper bound for all home moves (and continuous jogs), which is the joint's max travel length
11:15 AM rene_dev_: I think so, yes. it is also the limit for jog moves
11:16 AM rene_dev_: you cant continuous jog for more than the travel while not homed
11:16 AM rene_dev_: its because the home/jog planner needs a target
11:17 AM pcw_home: yeah I guess most serious machines have limit switches also so there's some redundancy
11:25 AM fragalot: pcw_home: pfft, who needs redundancy when you have disposable income.
11:26 AM fragalot: unrelated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEMgNMNeBr4
11:31 AM pcw_home: That's really neat
11:51 AM jthornton: yikes the hard drive died...
12:01 PM pcw_home: Ouch that's bad...
12:34 PM Tom_L: jthornton, you _did_ have a backup right?
12:47 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: most of my stuff is sorta backed up and important programming is on github but a full backup no
12:48 PM JT-Shop: I guess there is some way to use git or something else to do nightly backups lol
12:49 PM Tom_L: your main pc?
12:50 PM rmu: the git backup thing was a joke by linus torvalds
12:50 PM Tom_L: i've had windows hdd die but was able to get some stuff off by hooking it up to a linux box
12:50 PM rmu: something like borgbackups works better
12:50 PM Tom_L: but anything important is in multiple places
12:50 PM rmu: or backuppc
12:51 PM rmu: backuppc is slow if you have 10^10 files
12:51 PM fragalot: rmu: the nice thing about the git backup is that it works both ways though
12:51 PM fragalot: so when the github server gets done in by a cryptolocker, all of the users can push the history back into it
12:52 PM rmu: fragalot: you don't want to put big binary documents into git, like your photo collection
12:54 PM Tom_L: backup your TB drive using windows backup to floppies
12:55 PM rmu: thats on the order of a 3/4 million floppies per tb?
12:55 PM gregcnc: sounds like fun
12:55 PM Tom_L: what are the odds of them all being good?
12:56 PM Tom_L: especially if you store them next to your CRT monitor :)
01:01 PM rmu: 25 3 1/2" "non-floppy" disks have at least 1 dm³
01:01 PM gregcnc: this times whatever https://www.wired.com/2009/05/five-disk-floppy-raid-4mb-of-blistering-fast-storage/
01:01 PM rmu: so you can store about 25000 per m³
01:02 PM rmu: would need 30m³ per tb if i got all zeros right
01:06 PM fragalot: rmu: GIT LFS. :-)
01:13 PM rmu: fragalot: i don't trust hacks like that for backups
01:14 PM rmu: stuff like that exists for people that want/need to check in their VM images into git
01:14 PM fragalot: rmu: well, you are talking to someone that made a backup of his photo collection's catalog, resulting in him losing everything prior to 2009 because he didn't verify that said backup actually contained the files.
01:15 PM rmu: that sucks
01:15 PM fragalot: rmu: we use it for PLC programs.. big binary blobs, but you need to track the history /somehow/
01:17 PM enleth: borgbackup here, works well
01:17 PM enleth: it's very git-ish in how it works internally, so it feels natural if you're used to git
01:20 PM enleth: it keeps a collection of HMACed binary chunks, an index of what the chunks contain and a list of actual "backup" entries which just reference the correct chunks, so it's differential and deduplicated by design and allows pruning old backups by just removing references to them and cleaning up dangling chunks
01:24 PM rmu: borgbackup is really cool. on work machines i run that hourly.
01:26 PM rmu: it has a way to split binary files into chunks and can deduplicate those chunks, so e.g. if you change EXIF data on a jpeg, next backup doesn't store the whole file
01:33 PM JT-Shop: can borg backup to a nas?
01:33 PM JT-Shop: I assume you need borg on each linux pc?
01:34 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: My land-rover project is nearing completion: https://imgur.com/a/PwTQLQJ
01:35 PM miss0r|office: I might have it up and running next week, to go get it looked at for license plates
01:35 PM rmu: JT-Shop: you need borg on the PC you want to backup (usually). target needs to be reachable with SSH or NFS or SAMBA or some other protocol
01:36 PM rmu: JT-Shop: IIRC it can also directly use S3 buckets and similar stuff. full encryption supported, place of storage never sees plaintext.
01:38 PM rmu: also possible is to mount remote filesystems on your backup-server and run borg there, but that probably only makes sense in exceptional circumstances
01:38 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: That is such a sad looking vehicle atm :P
01:38 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: are you going to get rally plate holders?
01:38 PM miss0r|office: meh... the camera adds 12 pounds(of dirt)
01:38 PM miss0r|office: what are rally plate holders?
01:38 PM fragalot: hang on let me find an example
01:39 PM fragalot: https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F5%2F4068%2F4618807100_84bcdde067_z.jpg&f=1
01:39 PM fragalot: i've seen those in enamel too.. quite classy :P
01:39 PM miss0r|office: erh.. is that supposed to be a sticker?
01:40 PM fragalot: meh I can't find the classy examples
01:40 PM miss0r|office: Also; the paint job is not realy required to pass a MOT, so I will wait till summer :)
01:40 PM fragalot: :-)
01:40 PM fragalot: do the brakes work?
01:40 PM miss0r|office: But mecanically speaking, it is in prestine condition
01:40 PM miss0r|office: Yes
01:40 PM fragalot: Neat
01:41 PM miss0r|office: well, I will soon find out
01:41 PM miss0r|office: :]
01:41 PM miss0r|office: But it is all new
01:41 PM rmu: my brother has a landrover. the junction drips oil. oil that is sucked via capillary action through the wire!
01:41 PM fragalot: my trabant had one wheel that would lock up whilst the others hadn't even started braking yet
01:41 PM rmu: junction box
01:41 PM miss0r|office: rmu: Back when the land rover engineers decided to build the first land rover, they started with a clean workshop, threw a bucket of oil on the floor & build their way up from there
01:41 PM fragalot: rmu: it's acting as dieelectric grease :P
01:42 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: hehe
01:42 PM rmu: hehe
01:42 PM miss0r|office: If a land-rover is not leaking oil you need to top it off, as it is probally running dry
01:42 PM rmu: those electrons need to be greased!
01:42 PM miss0r|office: for faster elecricity
01:43 PM rmu: in the movie "cars 2" they say "if there is no oil under an english car there is no oil in the car"...
01:43 PM miss0r|office: indeed
01:43 PM fragalot: rmu: based on true facts
01:43 PM fragalot: :D
01:43 PM miss0r|office: not 'based on'. they are simply stating a pure fact
01:43 PM miss0r|office: did you guys know that 80% of the land-rover sold are still on the road?
01:44 PM miss0r|office: The remaining 20% made it home.. :)
01:44 PM JT-Shop: rmu: thanks, I'll look at using that from now ow
01:44 PM JT-Shop: own
01:44 PM JT-Shop: on
01:44 PM sync: rmu: really common tho
01:44 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: haha
01:45 PM sync: mercs are notorious for leaking out of the trans or the cam phasaers
01:45 PM sync: ~phasers
01:45 PM fragalot: hey even the SR-71 leaks like a sieve
01:45 PM rmu: fragalot: only when on ground or at sub-sonic
01:46 PM rmu: speeds
01:46 PM sync: it's not that bad
01:46 PM sync: it's more of an urban legend
01:46 PM miss0r|office: sync: Thats nothing - land rover invented outside splash lubrication.
01:46 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: trabant perfected that by using a 2stroke engine
01:47 PM miss0r|office: There are two manmade objects that can be seen from outer space; 1) the great wall of chine. 2) The door gap on a series three land-rover
01:47 PM rmu: landrover invented anodic corrosion protection
01:47 PM fragalot: rmu: xD
01:47 PM miss0r|office: fragalot haha
01:47 PM miss0r|office: rmu: well.. they treated the need for it :)
01:48 PM miss0r|office: created*
01:48 PM fragalot: damnit I had a great video somewhere of a trabant on a dragstrip
01:48 PM miss0r|office: electrogalvanic corrosion is the name of the game on a land rover :)
01:48 PM fragalot: where the first half of the car takes off
01:49 PM rmu: miss0r|office: they protect the rest of the car with the dissolving aluminium panels...
01:49 PM fragalot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqLoX9zSs5U close enough.
01:49 PM miss0r|office: rmu: well, to some extend you are correct :]
01:49 PM rmu: ok, perhaps landrover invented anodic corrosion ;)
01:49 PM miss0r|office: :�
01:51 PM rmu: those real juppy hipster landrover freaks bought one fresh from factory, disassembled it completely, galvanized or KTLed (don't know englisch word) everything and put it back together
01:51 PM rmu: paid somebody to do that
01:51 PM fragalot: or you could get a satana
01:53 PM miss0r|office: rmu: Damn. Well.. I am quite insane as well... I bought a 3mm sheet of steep, and cutout a new fram with a jigsaw. welded it all together and sent it in for hot dip galvanisation
01:54 PM fragalot: o.O
01:54 PM * fragalot offers to loan miss0r|office his plasma cutter
01:55 PM fragalot: speaking of which
01:55 PM rmu: sheep of steel?
01:55 PM fragalot: cutting through 150x150x60mm of cast iron using a jigsaw is madness.
01:55 PM sync: rmu: well, that's more or less the only way to make them last
01:55 PM miss0r|office: meh... That was 8 year ago... Today I would not touch that project with a 10ft pole
01:55 PM miss0r|office: rmu: cold rolled sheep :)
01:56 PM fragalot: the lanolin really keeps the rust at bay
01:56 PM rmu: sync: yeah, that may be, but nonetheless it is insane
01:56 PM rmu: "Sheep of Steel", the new film of aardman studios?
01:57 PM sync: on that note, I recently learned that poly-v belts with ribs on both sides are a thing
01:57 PM sync: miss0r|office: I hope the sheep you made was an absolute unit
01:57 PM fragalot: sync: really? how does that work then
01:57 PM miss0r|office: absolutly. You'd be surprised how much a cold rolled sheep can dpo
01:58 PM sync: fragalot: like a normal belt
01:58 PM sync: just on both sides
01:58 PM sync: https://www.picclickimg.com/d/w1600/pict/263472687065_/CONTITECH-Keilrippenriemen-Keilriemen-6DPK1697-BMW-1-er-3-er-mit.jpg
01:58 PM fragalot: oh THOSE sides
01:58 PM fragalot: that makes more sense
01:58 PM sync: I mean, it makes sense because usually something is driven with just the regular flat side
01:58 PM * fragalot thought you meant a hybrid standard Vbelt with poly-V on both of the walls
01:59 PM rmu: sync: if one side is worn out you can flip it ;)
01:59 PM fragalot: which made zero sense :D
01:59 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: Now THAT sounds coold
01:59 PM miss0r|office: without the d :)
01:59 PM miss0r|office: yeah, I thought about making a 'D' joke.. but didn't
02:08 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: your d IS the joke.
02:09 PM MarcelineVQ: scorch
02:11 PM sync: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
03:20 PM jthornton: wow that drive is a WD 2TB Red drive... swapped the SATA cable and it started up...
03:20 PM XXCoder: hey'
03:21 PM jthornton: hey, my hard drive in this pc quit a while ago... time to back up I guess
03:21 PM XXCoder: isnt backup before quit not after? ;)
03:24 PM russian_troll: jthornton: Today's Log http://www.isaeff.net/logs/%23linuxcnc/2018-11-30.html
03:29 PM CaptHindsight: rmu: what is the non-acronym version of KTL?
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: miss0r|office: https://i.imgur.com/B18NUNQ.jpg anodize and steel that comes in contact with the aluminum
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: ^^ anodized cold roll
03:49 PM rmu: CaptHindsight: kathodische tauchlackierung
03:52 PM rmu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophoretic_deposition
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: yeah that will do it
04:14 PM Deejay: gn8
04:56 PM weenerdog: howdy howdy
05:07 PM Tom_L: doody doody
05:09 PM jthornton: got some warm weather for the next few days here
05:09 PM jthornton: howdy doody
05:09 PM Tom_L: it wasn't bad here today
05:09 PM Tom_L: haven't had a chance to check the forecast
05:11 PM jthornton: it was mostly calm today so I burned some limbs and crap after making a very large bare spot... damn leaves are thick this year
07:12 PM treats: I'm about to send my first cuts through my machine.
07:13 PM treats: I'm playing with softwood before I move onto hardwood -- to test some of my toolpathing, etc..
07:13 PM treats: I'm concerned the defaults are too fast for my bits, what's a safe feed rate for a 1/8 bit in wood?
07:13 PM Tom_L: you could also test 1" above the material
07:14 PM Tom_L: if you're skeptical
07:14 PM MarcelineVQ: softwood can tend to tear more instead of cut so you may find the cutting better on hardwood once you move to that
07:14 PM LeoNerd: I recently cut some lime at 800mm/min; 6800RPM spindle with 3mm single-flute
07:14 PM Tom_L: i always prove the first run above the material
07:14 PM MarcelineVQ: for the general menaing of softwood/hardwood anyway, by the technical meaninb balsa is hardwood :>
07:15 PM weenerdog: i tend towards light passes in spruce but thats because the englemann spruce i use is kinda pricy
07:15 PM weenerdog: its pretty forgiving. but this is hand work, not cnc... your mileage may vary
07:47 PM tiwake: treats: what RPM can you run at?
07:47 PM treats: I'm looking at 18k probably
07:48 PM tiwake: and yes, a harder wood will cut easier
07:50 PM tiwake: treats: probably?
07:51 PM treats: Yeah, doesn't really seem that anyone recommends playing with rpm outside of 18k given my tools and material.
07:51 PM weenerdog: treats : are you going to use a 1/8" flat nose or round nose? if its feasible, use a round one.
07:51 PM treats: feed per tooth and depth of cut seems to be the main levers
07:52 PM treats: I'm using a flat nose. It's only for a contour cut after I've cleared everything I could with a 1/4"
07:52 PM tiwake: weenerdog: why would that matter?
07:53 PM weenerdog: tiwake, again, all my experience is hand routing (a lot of it)... round nose bits tear out less in soft wood
07:54 PM tiwake: oh, soft wood, yeah I can see that
07:54 PM weenerdog: the spruce i carve is super soft
07:54 PM tiwake: a good hardwood though, I would think would be worse with the ball-nose
07:56 PM weenerdog: i'd have to show some pics... i held the workpiece in my hands and round nose bits were much more forgiving if i didn't hold it exactly straight...
07:58 PM weenerdog: i make arched soundboards for instruments. what i did was profile the inside by intersecting a rhino3d nurbs surface with planes at 1/32" intervals, print, rubber cement to the wood, rout thru the paper to the line, back router out 1/32", go to next line, then next...
07:58 PM weenerdog: then mount my router so its a specific distance above a rounded piece of wood to slide the workpiece on
07:59 PM weenerdog: so the round knob rides the inside profile. if i tilted it some with a round bit, no problem. with a flat nose, big problem. make sense?
07:59 PM tiwake: oh, well, not ridgedly holding the work piece is... bleh
07:59 PM weenerdog: well thats why i'm hanging in linuxcnc :)
08:00 PM andypugh: weenerdog: Seen this? https://www.shapertools.com
08:00 PM weenerdog: i'd love to do it differently. it would save me lots of hours per.
08:01 PM tiwake: andypugh: weird
08:01 PM andypugh: I think it’s really cool
08:01 PM weenerdog: looking andy
08:02 PM andypugh: Not cheap. But also not so unreasonable.
08:02 PM tiwake: I'm not immediately seeing how it would be useful...
08:02 PM andypugh: It’s a CNC router with no size limits that fits in a drawer…
08:04 PM tiwake: still not seeing how it would be useful for anything
08:04 PM andypugh: Have you ever tried freehand-routing?
08:04 PM tiwake: no
08:04 PM tiwake: I don't see why I would for anything
08:05 PM andypugh: It’s really hard to stay within about 1” of where you need to be. This router handles that last inch
08:05 PM weenerdog: i do tons of freehand routing. signs and whatnot. i just print everything and stick it to the wood and freedog it
08:05 PM andypugh: Well, obviously it depends on what sort of thing you make. If you are in to structural steelwork then it’s irrelevant to you.
08:06 PM tiwake: I could see a use in free-style engraving
08:06 PM weenerdog: thats very cool andy
08:07 PM weenerdog: but for $2,499 i would build a rad 3 axis rig
08:07 PM tiwake: guess I have not worked with wood stuff enough to get really any kind of use-sense of it
08:08 PM andypugh: Here is a guy using rhe prototype to make some accurate wooden gears and stuff: https://youtu.be/lfmrvxB154w?t=199
08:08 PM andypugh: The Shaper is good if you need to work on site or don’t have the space to dedicate to a full-sized flatbed router
08:09 PM Tom_L: cat lovers.. https://imgur.com/gallery/5BxkpcE
08:09 PM andypugh: It’s not better than a fixed-frame router but can do much the same stuff, swith pertability.
08:09 PM weenerdog: i could see its use for some joinery tasks
08:11 PM tiwake: I would much _much_ rather have a waterjet machine instead
08:11 PM tiwake: lol
08:12 PM weenerdog: i'm guessing mr. wooden gears has not gotten laid in a very long time
08:12 PM andypugh: I want a CNC plasma _now_!. I am in the process of getting quotes to make splash guards for my lathe and they are coming in at around £180 to turn a £30 sheet of steel into the shape I need.
08:13 PM andypugh: For that I can buy a good electric nibbler and crawl about on the floor for a day.
08:13 PM weenerdog: i know (knew) a guy who electrocuted himself with his plasma rig
08:13 PM andypugh: For fun?
08:14 PM weenerdog: dunno. i'd have to have a seance to ask him.
08:14 PM andypugh: Ah, it went badly then?
08:15 PM weenerdog: not for the undertaker
08:15 PM andypugh: Hadn’t quite twigged that.
08:15 PM weenerdog: i guess puddles of water are shit around a plasma cutter
08:15 PM andypugh: Pretty unlucky, I have electrocuted myself many times with a range of voltages and only ever had burns. I thought that Plasma was low voltage, and the HF was low current
08:16 PM weenerdog: i picked up a metal bodied electric drill in the basement while standing in a puddle when i was a kid and thought i had killed myself
08:17 PM weenerdog: i dunno. maybe he just go the mains good & hard.
08:17 PM weenerdog: bad & hard?
08:18 PM andypugh: 120V? Or 240?
08:18 PM weenerdog: i dont know what it ran on
08:18 PM weenerdog: i just know they found him dead beside it
08:19 PM weenerdog: i took welding with him years ago and i really didn't see him running anything with a controller. guess i was wrong. temporarily.
08:21 PM weenerdog: wonder what he was making. something cool i hope.
08:22 PM andypugh: He might just have died, it happens.
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