#linuxcnc Logs

Nov 24 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:00 AM Lcvette: Who got the turret up and running now!
01:03 AM Lcvette: It is all fully functioning now except it only has one Hard drive
01:03 AM XXCoder: me!
01:03 AM XXCoder: heh
01:03 AM XXCoder: lathe turret right?
01:03 AM Lcvette: Yeah
01:03 AM XXCoder: youtube or its fake ;)
01:03 AM Lcvette: Hahaha... I will upload some vids tomorrow, I airway sit down the shop and changed
01:03 AM Lcvette: Already shut*
01:03 AM XXCoder: drat :)
02:12 AM Deejay: moin
02:27 AM gloops: hello
02:27 AM XXCoder: heys
02:28 AM XXCoder: gloops: was it you who wanted to learn more about vismach?
02:29 AM gloops: hi, no not me XXCoder, no time to learn anything else atm
02:29 AM XXCoder: lol ok. well rolfmill was recently added to linuxcnc if you did want
02:30 AM XXCoder: someone was asking but didnt find out whpo
02:35 AM gloops: not been paying much attention to channel recently
02:35 AM XXCoder: didnt you work on ,mill?
02:35 AM XXCoder: upgrading it
02:42 AM gloops: no only got router, i use 2.8 gantry
02:43 AM XXCoder: hmm ok lol
02:43 AM XXCoder: you running linuxcnc?
02:43 AM XXCoder: linuxcnc repo seems to be down here so cant update
02:46 AM gloops: yeah i use linuxcnc - the 2.8 master version, was improved for multiple joints per axis machines
02:46 AM gloops: worked fine for me so far ive had no glitches at all
02:46 AM XXCoder: nice
02:46 AM gloops: but i only do basic stuff so can hardly say ive pushed it to its limits
02:47 AM gloops: there was someone asking about vismach i just cant remember who it was
02:47 AM XXCoder: maybe there was nobody lol
02:47 AM XXCoder: we all remember person but nobody actually asked ;)
02:49 AM gloops: well, you sometimes get someone trying to get machine up and running, hangs around for a week or 2 then gone when it works
02:53 AM XXCoder: yeah
02:53 AM XXCoder: well we all got great example now so thats something in least
02:53 AM XXCoder: only unknown left is work
02:54 AM XXCoder: its supposely work stock information but all we get is a point so maybe theres something missing or something not developed for
03:17 AM XXCoder: "Firefox can’t establish a connection to the server at buildbot.linuxcnc.org."
03:17 AM XXCoder: blegh
04:49 AM gloops: right, little bush to make to increase diameter of guide bearing on cutter
04:51 AM jthornton: morning
04:54 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:10 AM XXCoder: jthornton: seems linuxcnc buildbot is dowbn
05:12 AM jthornton: seems that way to me too
05:13 AM jthornton: yesterday I was trying to just show one part of the vismach but failed to figure it out lol kept getting an error about main TypeError: main() takes at least 3 arguments (3 given)
05:14 AM XXCoder: thats weird, but I guess you removed either tooltip or work?
05:14 AM XXCoder: the Capture() calls for those
05:14 AM jthornton: ah yea both of them
05:14 AM XXCoder: yeah those must exist even if you dont use it anywhere
05:15 AM jthornton: ok I'll give it a whirl in a bit... seems my chicken code has a flaw for winter light
05:18 AM XXCoder: my first version of rolfmill is just base and column and it had tooltip and work defined and captured but not used besides main call
06:06 AM Tom_L: hello
06:09 AM Vq: Greetings Tom
06:10 AM XXCoder: hey
06:52 AM jthornton: morning Tom_L get any snow?
06:53 AM jthornton: XXCoder: got it to load but it throws out some tkinter errors so getting closer lol
06:54 AM XXCoder: strange
06:54 AM Vq: I had some snow here in Kalmar this morning. Doesn't seem like it hit the ground though.
07:05 AM jthornton: XXCoder: do you still have your first vismill with just the column and base?
07:05 AM XXCoder: nah I have older version but it has ugly comments and missing z head but thats it
07:06 AM XXCoder: if youre doing just floor and column you should comment out nearly everything and you just collect those 2 parts and use result in main()
07:06 AM jthornton: ok, I'll keep trying to show just the frame as an example showing the bare minimum to get it to display
07:06 AM XXCoder: bare minium would be simply one object (which is used in main()) tooptip and work and those own collect()
07:06 AM jthornton: I pretty much did that I think with copy and paste
07:06 AM XXCoder: err capture() I mean
07:07 AM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pb6GfGjmj9/
07:09 AM XXCoder: what was error? I wonder if some libraries is actually required, like system
07:12 AM XXCoder: btw you can run vismach directly without linuxcnc
07:13 AM XXCoder: just do python (machine file)
07:13 AM XXCoder: it wont be able to run or anything but it will appear
07:13 AM XXCoder: unless it calls linuxcnc function like mine does lol
07:15 AM XXCoder: oh yours wouldnt need to import linuxcnc
07:16 AM jthornton: I get an index out of range error
07:17 AM XXCoder: yep me too
07:18 AM XXCoder: hmm
07:18 AM XXCoder: looks like tooltip and work must be part of something
07:18 AM XXCoder: I just included it into model with fram
07:18 AM XXCoder: and it worked
07:19 AM XXCoder: lemme see if it is name model thats required or inclusion of those 2 or tooltip in least
07:20 AM jthornton: ok
07:20 AM XXCoder: confirmed, work and tooltip must be part of a object
07:21 AM XXCoder: work actually not as I just did tooltip
07:22 AM jthornton: can you paste.ubuntu.com that?
07:22 AM XXCoder: sure a sec ill use dpaste
07:22 AM XXCoder: http://dpaste.com/0XVK2VC
07:23 AM jthornton: ah I see now, thanks now I can show the most simple example for someone to start with
07:24 AM XXCoder: im wrong with work it must be part also
07:24 AM XXCoder: just add work after tooltip in line 43
07:25 AM jthornton: breakfast is ready be back in a bit
07:26 AM XXCoder: going to bed soon so talk later :)
07:35 AM weenerdog: good mawnin
08:22 AM JT-Shop: morning
08:47 AM * jthornton gives up on vismach for the day just too frustrating with no meaningful errors
08:49 AM weenerdog: ya. power button is there for your sanity sometimes.
08:50 AM weenerdog: i've had to shift gears. fusion 360 aint all that. lots of polygons chokes it. like not chokes the computer. i'm patient. just makes fusion poop lol
08:51 AM weenerdog: has a friggin hard limit to the number of polygons you can turn from a surface to a body.
08:52 AM weenerdog: just says "nope i'm not going to try that"
09:23 AM Tom_L: jthornton, no
09:25 AM Tom_L: 34°F Hi 67 and clear
09:26 AM weenerdog: nice day
09:26 AM JT-Shop: we are similar here today
09:34 AM weenerdog: frozen fog in the trees here. beautiful.
09:42 AM jdh: you should hit the mountain behind your house
10:05 AM Jymmm: Can anyone suggest a inexpensive/abundant low voltage valve that could be used for air?
10:06 AM Jymmm: ...less than 120PSI
10:16 AM Jymmm: Hmmm, the lights are on but nobody's home =(
10:19 AM jdh: any of hundreds
10:19 AM jdh: most are good to 160 or 200
10:19 AM * JT-Shop thinks it's a trick question...
10:22 AM jdh: because you have touched hundreds of them?
10:35 AM JT-Shop: inexpensive/abundant air valve... never heard of one that matches that
10:42 AM * Tom_L googles inexpensive/abundant.... google just laughed at me
10:43 AM JT-Shop: lol
10:48 AM Jymmm: Well, I'm working on an early warning air horn system, but it's a BIG forest and no idea much about air valves and for use in the snow
10:49 AM weenerdog: sasquatch alarm?
10:50 AM Jymmm: weenerdog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Fire_(2018)
10:50 AM weenerdog: ah
10:52 AM SpeedEvil: Jymmm: inexpensive + life-safety seems questionable.
10:53 AM SpeedEvil: Jymmm: If it's intended for one-time-use, a ball bearing hot-glued to a pipe.
10:53 AM SpeedEvil: (perhaps not that exact solution, but something from the sprinkler industry also)
10:54 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: True, but ANYTHING is better than nothing at all. I was thingking sprinkler valve. There needs to be "many" of them setup and all remote/radio activated.
10:55 AM SpeedEvil: something that runs off standard fire extinguishers?
10:57 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: Might be too expensive (CO2), was thinking 4" PVC pipe and nitrogen (no water)
10:57 AM SpeedEvil: Are you meaning to pressurise the pipe?
10:58 AM SpeedEvil: That is a bad idea.
10:58 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: As the "air source"... 4" pvc pipe 2-4 ft long. PVC is rated at 120 PSI, only gong up to 100PSI (mostly for the volume, not pressure)
10:59 AM weenerdog: i'd look for super loud car horns. just straight electrical. 12v.
11:00 AM Jymmm: weenerdog: Maybe, but I don't think loud enough. Can barely hear a car horn up here 40ft away in the forest.
11:01 AM Jymmm: Need something along the lines of a boat/trian horn that cna be heard 2-5 miles away
11:02 AM weenerdog: gawd
11:02 AM SpeedEvil: Jymmm: you're I think vastly underestimating the power needed.
11:03 AM weenerdog: no shit. square of the distance & all
11:03 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: Power, as in volume/pressure?
11:03 AM weenerdog: you'd kill more wildlife with sound pressure than the fire would
11:03 AM SpeedEvil: volume*pressure
11:03 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: Well, 80CF nitrogen tank is an option
11:03 AM SpeedEvil: Wikipedia says car horns are typically 110dB
11:04 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: Yeah, need like 130db+
11:04 AM weenerdog: https://www.amazon.com/Eletric-135db-Bracket-Trucks-Motorcycles/dp/B076W4G596/
11:04 AM SpeedEvil: 130dB will not actually go that much further.
11:04 AM weenerdog: no twont
11:04 AM SpeedEvil: A naive calculation would say 5 times further, but that's very, very optimistic in trees
11:05 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: I'm open to suggestions. could do muiltiple 250CF nitrogen tanks
11:05 AM weenerdog: a battery powered sound source you can hear at 2-5 mi. in a forest would be an engineering feat.
11:05 AM SpeedEvil: Jymmm: who are you trying to alert?
11:05 AM SpeedEvil: If they don't know why they can hear a faint siren in the distance, ...
11:06 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: That's the idea of multiple horns... the pattern tells them which direction of evacuation
11:06 AM SpeedEvil: Trained people?
11:07 AM jthornton: yea tornado alarms are very big, very expensive and mounted real high on towers...
11:07 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: peons, but there would be signs on the highway (idealy)
11:08 AM jthornton: hmmm soylent green time
11:08 AM weenerdog: the OTHER other white meat
11:08 AM Jymmm: jthornton: The problem they had up here was that evacuation routes where blocked and the fire "split" the highways, so some needed to go up to get out, while most went down into the heart of the fire to "evac"
11:10 AM Jymmm: I know this isn't perfect, and might not work at all, just trying something, anything, and see how it goes.
11:11 AM SpeedEvil: What area are you trying to cover?
11:12 AM weenerdog: lit up drone constellation in the sky pointing the evac route out :)
11:12 AM Jymmm: I was 40 miles away from home and saw the smoke, called the better half and she said it was perfectly clear skies. HAd I not called and told her "dont go south", she would have never know there was a fire as EVERYTHING went dead shortly after and she would have driven into the heart of it instead over the mountain
11:14 AM roycroft: you should try raking your forest
11:14 AM roycroft: then these things would not happen
11:14 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: Well... the highways in that 200K acre area for a start
11:14 AM roycroft: lazy californians
11:14 AM Jymmm: roycroft: rack?! Nah, leaf blower and a 4 mile exension cord ;)
11:14 AM SpeedEvil: I suspect the only practical way would be large towers to clear the trees with very, very large horn systems on them.
11:15 AM SpeedEvil: This lets the sirens not propagate through the trees, but through the air.
11:15 AM jthornton: and 360 degree cameras
11:16 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: True, there are only a couple of "real" firewatch towers, and they have remote cameras, but it's the "alert" system that is lacking.
11:16 AM roycroft: an alert system in a rural, forested area is inherently challenging
11:16 AM SpeedEvil: To alert untrained people worse.
11:17 AM SpeedEvil: I assume there is no phone signal?
11:17 AM Jymmm: roycroft: Yep, and they have been "working on it" for 9 years (which means they have done nothing at all)
11:17 AM roycroft: speedevil: a phone alert system would only be partially effective
11:18 AM roycroft: i'm not sure if you realise how quickly a fire can spread
11:18 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: They sent out the robocall, but the fiber up here is 40 miles away, so cal/internet/landlines are not reliable
11:18 AM Jymmm: even normally
11:18 AM Jymmm: cell*
11:18 AM roycroft: sometimes it can suddenly threaten a large area with only a few moments' notice
11:18 AM roycroft: it takes time to call people
11:18 AM * jthornton has fiber 1 mile away that is connected to nothing on each end...
11:19 AM roycroft: even when the infrastructure is completely intact
11:19 AM Jymmm: roycroft: This was a VERY fast fire
11:19 AM roycroft: yes
11:19 AM SpeedEvil: roycroft: I was meaning some sort of live alert app, with an alert if you lose signal.
11:19 AM roycroft: as were the two in malibu
11:19 AM roycroft: that's why these fires are so tragic
11:19 AM SpeedEvil: roycroft: Well, I suspect some people in this fire were in the 'already dead' category if they were in particular spots.
11:20 AM SpeedEvil: As they couldn't evacuate in time whatever they did.
11:20 AM roycroft: sadly yes, speedevil
11:20 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: Cell coverage up here just 2 miles up the road is non existant.
11:20 AM roycroft: this is what some humans do not yet comprehend
11:20 AM roycroft: a mighty species are we, strong-willed and resourceful
11:20 AM roycroft: but nature is still more powerful than humans
11:21 AM roycroft: sometimes nature is going to win no matter what
11:21 AM Jymmm: Ghetto horn system, crap loads of them. I cna get a radiosignal all over the mountian here, I've tested multipele times, just not cell
11:22 AM SpeedEvil: I think a non ghetto horn system may work out cheaper.
11:23 AM Jymmm: CHP got lost on the other end of the back road, asked for drections, and said ging there, just follow me... Had them folow me 12 miles ont he back roads , they were grateful =)
11:23 AM SpeedEvil: In that the range may be so much better with elevated towers that you may need so many less of them.
11:24 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: I truly do realize that, height is key. Might be able to hoist them up in trees even. All self contained
11:24 AM SpeedEvil: Even if you get 100m range with your ghetto system, you still need 20000 or so of them
11:25 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: True, thus cheap pvc pipe. MAybe 200 of them, basically along the highways, as a test
11:26 AM SpeedEvil: Putting them in trees means you need people qualified to get up in trees to emplace and maintain them.
11:26 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: I used to use a fancy sling shot to hoist wire antennas in trees
11:26 AM roycroft: a crossbow would work well for that
11:27 AM SpeedEvil: Putting a >>10lb thing in trees if not done properly risks it falling on someone.
11:28 AM roycroft: there's something to be said for deforested zones and moats :)
11:28 AM SpeedEvil: Also, PVC under pressure especially in cold conditions is basically a grenade.
11:28 AM Jymmm: grey conduit
11:29 AM Jymmm: just not pressure rated, but won't shatter
11:29 AM Jymmm: could even "sleeve" it to prevent grenade effect(s)
11:30 AM Jymmm: I guess think "open source hardware project"
11:30 AM jthornton: in cali it's probably illegal anyway as it's been deemed to be a cancer causing something or other
11:30 AM Jymmm: jthornton: crossing the street causes cancer
11:31 AM Jymmm: https://www.amateurradiosupplies.com/Antenna-Slingshots-s/167.htm
11:32 AM Jymmm: My bigger concern is the rubber membrain for the air horn in the wintertime
11:34 AM Jymmm: well, surviving the winter that is
11:34 AM Jymmm: diy boat air horn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rmBwCR1HVg
11:42 AM Jymmm: PVC ship horn diaphragm... poly carb diaphrag, ineresting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7KCpIpJnO0
11:52 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: Everyone has been EXTREMELY generous during this fire. even tmobile was going away phones and unlimited service for 30 days no questions asked. I'm sure that SPI (the copany that owns the few million acres of forestry up here would offer to help install on trees properly
12:01 PM HighInBC: we should all send rakes so this does not happen again
12:02 PM fragalot: hey
12:02 PM HighInBC: hehe
12:02 PM fragalot: Jymmm: after those 30 days, does it automatically get renewed?
12:03 PM fragalot: (no questions asked, of course :))
12:27 PM roycroft: everybody but one person has been extremely generous
12:27 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest29775
12:27 PM roycroft: that one person has been truly horrible
12:58 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
03:01 PM * JT-Shop ponders how to cut a polygon from a square on a bandsaw...
03:03 PM crazyben: test
03:03 PM JT-Shop: fail
03:03 PM crazyben: Anyone there?
03:03 PM crazyben: :-D
03:03 PM JT-Shop: no we are all here
03:05 PM crazyben: Hello, I am trying to access http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ to upgrade Linuxcnc 2.7.14 to 2.8 (which is the version of my current running but old aged machine)
03:05 PM crazyben: any idea on that?
03:09 PM JT-Shop: seems to be down
03:12 PM JT-Shop: you might no way for anyone to tell
03:15 PM Sabotend_ is now known as Sabotender
03:20 PM gloops: you can upgrade from synaptic
03:26 PM crazyben: thank you gloops
03:27 PM gloops: i cant remember the name of the file, just look for 2.8 and/or master
03:28 PM crazyben: currently 2.8 is running as inplace
03:28 PM gloops: i think 2.8 will upgrade any existing configs you have though, so if you want to save an original...
03:31 PM crazyben: how did you configure synaptic to upgrade without access to buildbot?
03:33 PM JT-Shop: if you have a buildbot deb you can't upgrade while buildbot is down
03:33 PM JT-Shop: if you want to build from scratch you can get it from github
03:33 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc
03:35 PM JT-Shop: if you have a RIP you can build a deb and install that if you like
03:35 PM crazyben: this is what I ment - thank you JT. I tried to configure using "./configure --with-realtime=uspace --enable-non-distributable=yes". When I run now "make install", I get the prompt "Makefile:519: *** You configured run-in-place, but are trying to install. For an installable version, run configure without --enable-run-in-place and rebuild." ... but I did not specify this parameter for run-in-place
03:36 PM * JT-Shop looks for his notes on building a deb
03:39 PM JT-Shop: from the linuxcnc directory in a terminal debian/configure -r ; debuild -uc -us
03:39 PM JT-Shop: that should build your deb
03:40 PM JT-Shop: hmmm that may not be exactly right I see the same line in the RTAI notes :(
03:40 PM JT-Shop: debian/configure uspace ; debuild -uc -us
03:40 PM JT-Shop: there you go
03:41 PM crazyben: Give me a second please..
03:44 PM crazyben: .. I have to prepare the machine with the dependencies
03:45 PM JT-Shop: I'm in and out... almost time to make chickens salad
03:49 PM crazyben: thank you so far :-)
03:54 PM Jymmm: JT-Shop: Wait... you making chicken salad, or making the chicken's salad?
03:54 PM JT-Shop: the latter
03:54 PM HighInBC: mostly seed
03:54 PM Jymmm: JT-Shop: oh, heh =)
03:54 PM HighInBC: you make chickens salad, so that later you can make chicken salad
03:55 PM JT-Shop: banana, left over tomato and left over lettuce and maybe a grape or three
04:03 PM Tom_L: is 2.8 preempt-rt only?
04:04 PM crazyben: don't know, but looks like my setup is missing rtai-modules-4.9.0-8-rt-amd64 | rtai-modules-4.9.0-8-rt-amd64
04:20 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: no
04:20 PM JT-Shop: crazyben: what does this return uname -a
04:20 PM Deejay: gn8
04:21 PM crazyben: Linux HP8440p 4.9.0-8-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
04:22 PM JT-Shop: hmm what says your missing rtai anything?
04:23 PM crazyben: JT: the command "debian/configure -r ; debuild -uc -us"
04:23 PM JT-Shop: yea don't use that one use the second one I posted
04:24 PM JT-Shop: the first one was for RTAI...
04:24 PM crazyben: JT: where should the
04:24 PM crazyben: JT: where should the deb-file be created?
04:24 PM JT-Shop: it will be in the directory above the linuxcnc directory
04:24 PM JT-Shop: did you find the second configure line above?
04:26 PM crazyben: JT: eeeks.. looks like it is running now using "debian/configure uspace ; debuild -uc -us"
04:28 PM crazyben: JT: Do you know what "uspace" means in this case?
04:35 PM weenerdog: i just reserved a sweet cabin on airb&b for gf and me my birthday weekend :))) with hot tub
04:40 PM crazyben: JT: build has completed now
04:45 PM crazyben: JT: which one of debs is now the proper one?
04:54 PM JT-Shop: it will be something like linuxcnc-uspace_2.8.0...
04:54 PM JT-Shop: and doc_en for the documents
04:55 PM JT-Shop: weenerdog: where at?
04:56 PM JT-Shop: crazyben: it means to build for the preempt rt kernel
04:56 PM crazyben: JT: installed now the deb - going to test now
04:56 PM JT-Shop: actually this is the best way as you can pick when you want to upgrade so keep the deb somewhere
04:57 PM JT-Shop: to upgrade in the future update the git clone then build the deb again etc
04:59 PM crazyben: JT: I have to restart the machine now and do the connection to the machine. will be back 10-30 minues
05:01 PM Roguish: hey JT, how are those chickens doing?
05:01 PM weenerdog: jt : gatlinburg
05:01 PM weenerdog: well... sevierville
05:02 PM JT-Shop: nice place, we stay in weirs valley they have a fantastic italian restaurant there
05:03 PM JT-Shop: cabin was up... way up... straight up almost lol
05:04 PM JT-Shop: Roguish: they are spoiled and have gone to the roost already today
05:04 PM Roguish: hope the gals are laying.
05:05 PM Roguish: I just ordered a cell battery holder and cell battery for my rice cooker.
05:05 PM JT-Shop: I get about 50% right now with the short days but starting this morning they got extra 5 minutes of light
05:05 PM Roguish: the manufacture solded the cell battery to the pcb.
05:05 PM Roguish: and of course the battery died.
05:05 PM JT-Shop: you have a battery powered rice cooker?
05:06 PM Roguish: no, it runs a clock and timer.
05:06 PM weenerdog: sounds like the same cabin, jt. they said it was straight up to it. its out of town. secluded.
05:06 PM JT-Shop: ah, had me going for a bit lol
05:06 PM Roguish: so i unsolderd the battery and am going to replace it with holder, and battery.
05:07 PM JT-Shop: http://www.volunteercabinrentals.com/
05:07 PM Roguish: gotta love Digikey. open on saturdays.
05:07 PM JT-Shop: weenerdog: that is who we rented the cabin from
05:08 PM weenerdog: nah this one's on airb&b
05:08 PM weenerdog: who knows. it looks cozy. and has a hot tub. woo hoo
05:08 PM JT-Shop: most of them have a hot tub
05:09 PM JT-Shop: Geppetto’s Restaurant 250 Wears Valley Rd, Sevierville, TN 37862
05:09 PM JT-Shop: 3250 Wears Valley Rd, Sevierville, TN 37862
05:09 PM JT-Shop: opps lost the 3
05:10 PM crazyben: I am back
05:10 PM * JT-Shop runs and hides
05:11 PM weenerdog: this one is on pittman center rd. i'll let you know how it is the 23rd of dec :)
05:11 PM JT-Shop: weenerdog: http://www.volunteercabinrentals.com/pigeon-forge-cabins/a_painted_pony/a_painted_pony.php
05:11 PM weenerdog: oh that looks sweet. way to big for us 2. ours is 1 br
05:11 PM JT-Shop: last time we went in October on the bike it was really cold the day we left lol
05:11 PM weenerdog: ja
05:12 PM JT-Shop: that's 1 bedroom
05:12 PM weenerdog: i own a little motel on the NC side on the parkway. i've seen the weather surprise bikers before.
05:13 PM JT-Shop: that sounds like work lol
05:15 PM weenerdog: sometimes
05:15 PM weenerdog: i got it for nothing in 2012 because it was a wreck. my kung fu is strong on tripadvisor now :)
05:15 PM JT-Shop: cool
05:16 PM weenerdog: well... nothing being around $150 but it was a bargain
05:16 PM JT-Shop: how many units?
05:19 PM weenerdog: 2 cottages and 6 suites
05:19 PM weenerdog: i just went to seasonal/yearly only. way less work and better $
05:20 PM JT-Shop: nice
05:20 PM JT-Shop: well time to do a bed check on the chickens and lock them down and set out the claymores...
05:22 PM XXCoder: hey all
05:23 PM weenerdog: xx howdy
05:24 PM XXCoder: whats up
05:24 PM weenerdog: steamin shrimps
05:24 PM XXCoder: cool. drinking soylent
05:31 PM jthornton: mmm yummy
05:33 PM Tom_L: jthornton, are you running 2.8 on anything?
05:34 PM jthornton: on the plasma
05:34 PM Tom_L: how would i set up a separate directory/install so i can run both?
05:34 PM jthornton: to run both you need one to be a RIP
05:35 PM Tom_L: or is that possible
05:35 PM jthornton: AFAIK not possible to have both installed...
05:36 PM Tom_L: did you have a reason to upgrade it on the plasma?
05:37 PM jthornton: yea I was trying out the offset branch
05:49 PM * jthornton wanders up to fire up the bbq pit
06:24 PM XXCoder: jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0XfRPi_h2M lol
06:25 PM XXCoder: he got better hardware than my cnc router to fiddle around with it
09:28 PM ChunkyPuffs: anybody got any idea how to handle ordering of toolpaths in fusion?
09:29 PM ChunkyPuffs: we can't get it to do an adaptive cut to create a border/tunnel/trench/boundary last instead of first
09:29 PM weenerdog: i'm mad at fusion
09:32 PM ChunkyPuffs: y
09:32 PM weenerdog: because it chokes on not that many polygons. not my computer. fusion.
09:33 PM XXCoder: why angry to fusion?
09:33 PM XXCoder: ah
09:33 PM ChunkyPuffs: Streaming again at https://twitch.tv/memetic_
09:33 PM XXCoder: whats your video card? because that depends on a good video card
09:33 PM ChunkyPuffs: gt 710 is what I have and it's running fine
09:33 PM ChunkyPuffs: we're trying to get an outline boundary and having trouble
09:34 PM weenerdog: nah it refuses to go above a certain number. just gives you a dialog box that says "um... no"
09:34 PM weenerdog: and its like 40,000
09:34 PM XXCoder: thats weird
09:34 PM weenerdog: my dog's computer can handle 40,000 polygons in rhino3d lol
09:34 PM ChunkyPuffs: We have it right but we can't get what we want to occur in a helical ramp
09:34 PM XXCoder: I wonder if they intentionally limited it,
09:35 PM XXCoder: s your fusion registered?
09:35 PM weenerdog: ja
09:35 PM weenerdog: why wouldn't you?
09:35 PM XXCoder: paid or sub-100000 free register?
09:35 PM XXCoder: (income of less than 100k)
09:35 PM weenerdog: freebie
09:36 PM XXCoder: I never made model that complex so dunno.
09:36 PM XXCoder: whats error anyway? out of memory at gpu?
09:37 PM weenerdog: its just some celtic knotwork i made to carve
09:37 PM weenerdog: no fusion just says "no. fuck you. i'm not doing it. operation aborted"
09:38 PM weenerdog: its a surface made from a heightfield i made in rhino, export as obj, import into fusion, which it does instantaneously.
09:39 PM flyback: +
09:41 PM weenerdog: try to convert to a body and it just says "nah"
09:42 PM weenerdog: mesh to b-rep. it says "are you there god? its me margaret"
09:48 PM Getty: Hi :D
09:49 PM XXCoder: weenerdog: well you could do it other way
09:49 PM XXCoder: just make program to draw one tile
09:49 PM XXCoder: then make gcode to engrave it at many locations
09:49 PM XXCoder: make sure the section engraving a tile is all relative so you can call that function repeatively
09:50 PM weenerdog: yeah
09:54 PM weenerdog: i'll break it down into pieces. i was just pissed that fusion told me 'no'
09:54 PM XXCoder: yeah 50k poly is nothing reall
09:54 PM weenerdog: i intentionally did something with a lot of polygons to prove my concept but i didn't dream it would choke on 40k
09:54 PM weenerdog: and i'm used to autocad. usually it will just say "ok" and stay gone a while if you dog it
09:54 PM XXCoder: thats also much more dosh
09:54 PM weenerdog: si
09:54 PM Getty: my dad recently died and i am trying to make a good use of his lab stuff, which included this CNC machine. It was controlled via DOS computer (with a CRT :D) but i think to make it worth i would switch that to Linux CNC, or at least i plan to
09:54 PM weenerdog: Getty, i think you will meet with success
09:55 PM Getty: https://i.imgur.com/DNnUzyO.jpg that is the machine. i am not in any rush here, so my first step would be aquiring the required hardware.
09:55 PM Getty: Getting the computer is of course more or less no problem, even tho i am still kinda unsure what it needs, but i feel like it is all about the I/O card, right?
09:56 PM weenerdog: i'm the official channel noob
09:56 PM XXCoder: is it cnc router?
09:56 PM weenerdog: and they're kind
09:56 PM Getty: my problem i already see facing me is the acquiring of that I/O card, or at least thats the common problem ;) finding the right german dealer that delivers the special sh*t i need
09:56 PM XXCoder: Getty: you got few options for IS
09:56 PM weenerdog: i would think you wont have to deal with them
09:56 PM Getty: XXCoder: you are already overloading me, what you mean with that? :D
09:56 PM XXCoder: er I/O
09:56 PM Getty: i mean the CNC Router question, what is a CNC Router?
09:57 PM weenerdog: getty : what does it machine? what material?
09:57 PM XXCoder: oh theres in general 3 types of machine
09:57 PM XXCoder: mill, router and lathe
09:57 PM Getty: it was doing fronts of devices, so harder plastic
09:57 PM weenerdog: it looks too clean to be a router. there would be shit everywhere lol
09:57 PM XXCoder: mill is regular mill tend to be long on length, short on width
09:57 PM Getty: but i think he did more with it, also drilling boards
09:58 PM XXCoder: cnc router is large on surface area but short on z height
09:58 PM Getty: weenerdog: we removed already the shit ;)
09:58 PM weenerdog: looks like a router
09:58 PM Getty: it is for sure not having much Z
09:58 PM XXCoder: im not certain wghat your machine uses in terms of motion
09:58 PM Getty: ok wait, one small general question first:
09:58 PM XXCoder: servos or stepper
09:59 PM Getty: we do actually not talk about "the device" here, it is just a bunch of "things" (servos and stuff) and Linux CNC controls every one of those independent, right?
09:59 PM Getty: just to put my in the bigger picture
09:59 PM skunkworks: slosyn... steppers
09:59 PM XXCoder: well you have few controller options
10:00 PM weenerdog: i'd love to be starting with that
10:00 PM XXCoder: you could go cheap and get BOB (breakout board) for parallel port, and use tb6600s for linuxcnc to control it
10:00 PM XXCoder: or you could get MESA and whatever step stuff it uses
10:00 PM Getty: well, i must say, i dont need to be necessary cheap
10:00 PM Getty: i would prefer something that gives me more options as i need
10:00 PM XXCoder: first option isnt even over 100 for all 3 tb6600s and one BOB
10:00 PM Getty: i like to play :D
10:01 PM XXCoder: MESA card is around 100 to 150 bucks?
10:01 PM XXCoder: im not too sure if it can control steppers directly or needs something to run steppoers
10:01 PM Getty: is there some kind of "fat" I/O board with PCI/PCIe that is supported by Linux CNC and is commonly spread so that i for sure get it here easily?
10:01 PM weenerdog: <Getty> well, i must say, i dont need to be necessary cheap <--- first time this has ever been said here? lol
10:01 PM XXCoder: jthornton knows a lot of MESA, as well as machine design in general
10:01 PM Getty: weenerdog: i am a lab, not a production ;)
10:01 PM XXCoder: weenerdog: maybe? lol im cheapass in this channel.
10:02 PM XXCoder: my entire machine cost me just $400 or so
10:03 PM Getty: ok, let me tell you the vision i have here, my idea would be to get some I/O board with all kind of I/O possibilities so that most of the stuff that i could do can be done, and then like get the fitting PC to that
10:03 PM Getty: so like one time investing into this for a basis that i can extend in several directions without knowing yet which i want
10:03 PM XXCoder: honestly in terms of glexability mesa is better
10:03 PM XXCoder: it can do far more stuff than bob/tb6600s can
10:03 PM Getty: MESA... ok
10:04 PM XXCoder: ask jthornton when hes in
10:04 PM Getty: uh! with that keyword i already found a german dealer
10:04 PM Getty: https://lonnox.de/mesakarten.html
10:04 PM XXCoder: interesting
10:04 PM Getty: ok i see, that looks like the right choice i feel....
10:05 PM Getty: i mean not gonna buy it now :D just feeling that this is the right direction, or?
10:05 PM XXCoder: now what you will also need is little bit older pc, which is set to do NO power management, and decent video card
10:05 PM XXCoder: that website is unknown to me
10:05 PM Getty: well its a german one so thats clear ;) hehe
10:06 PM XXCoder: video card should be gamer card of some kind though dont have to be fancy. if computer has onboard video card, disable it (onboard as in bilt in motherboard not seperate card)
10:06 PM Getty: but thast the common problem, given the legal shit german companies have to follow, its kinda annoying to order stuff outside of germany, so we always seek a german dealer :D
10:06 PM Getty: why gamer card?
10:06 PM Getty: cause of features or cause of power?
10:06 PM XXCoder: wild guess thats why germany set it that way
10:06 PM Getty: i got a featureless 4 head Quattro beast
10:06 PM XXCoder: anyway video card only sorta affect latency
10:07 PM Getty: can you explain?
10:07 PM XXCoder: inbuilt however polls cpu a lot more
10:07 PM XXCoder: it hits latency so much makes it useless for linuxcnc
10:07 PM Getty: why is video card impacting latency so meaningful as you make it look? :)
10:07 PM Getty: i mean that sounds like its crucial to have a very decent card
10:07 PM XXCoder: it only indirectly affects latency as better gamer cards handles stuff more on its own
10:08 PM XXCoder: but it dont have to be super high end
10:08 PM Getty: oh, you mean primary cause of the visualization of the stuff?
10:08 PM XXCoder: you could use 10 year old gamer card
10:08 PM XXCoder: nah more card handles on its own, less it bothers cpu
10:08 PM Getty: so while it runs, it displays stuff, and that should be "smooth" else you get latency in the flow?
10:08 PM XXCoder: so less interrupts cpu get, the better latency even when its busy
10:09 PM XXCoder: you want latency to be as low as possible when playing HD video, few glxgears and some cpu eating programs
10:09 PM Getty: i could go low and get another ZOTAC Box..... i have them already like candy everywhere
10:09 PM XXCoder: it should be less than 100,000 minium
10:09 PM XXCoder: *max
10:10 PM XXCoder: so really all you need is any decent gamer video card can be 10 years old
10:10 PM Getty: ah no wait i need a PCIe....
10:10 PM XXCoder: my linuxcnc pc has very high end gamer card... was near tops 15 years ago
10:10 PM XXCoder: its my old game pc after all lol
10:10 PM Getty: hehe
10:11 PM Getty: normally all PCs here have at least a 1060
10:11 PM Getty: if you dont know that is decent nowadays ;)
10:11 PM XXCoder: what I did was just buy 8 gb ssd and use it for linuxcnc
10:11 PM XXCoder: and its now linuxcnc pc lol
10:12 PM XXCoder: linuxcnc dont need all that much disk space, 4 gb could do but I paud few bucks more for 8 gb because im spendy :P
10:12 PM XXCoder: it was $20 ssd if I recall right
10:13 PM XXCoder: anyway you can get away with lot of things with linuxcnc pc, as long as its not laptop or some weird hardware
10:14 PM Getty: i am still a bit confused about the gamer card topic, given that you talk about ancient gamer cards hehe ;)
10:14 PM Getty: i assume something like that will also do, or? https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/hd_graphics/p530
10:14 PM XXCoder: 2 biggies is turn off all power management and any era decent card
10:14 PM Getty: I could target a DELL PowerEdge T30, then i am sure there is no latency :D
10:14 PM XXCoder: hey any card that would cost $150 in any era lol no super cheap cards when it was new
10:15 PM XXCoder: of course if it was 20 years old you might look elsewhere LOL
10:15 PM Getty: Xeon E3 processor, 8 GB Ram and that gfx card, overpowered to the max :D
10:16 PM Getty: the sad part is really these days that it is really worth to buy that server if you want a PC with a PCIe slot
10:16 PM XXCoder: it would do just fine. what remains is go to bios and turn off all power saving
10:16 PM XXCoder: power management is BIGG hit on latency
10:17 PM Getty: I can't find any information about that yet, but the PowerEdge have an own computer as BIOS inside with an own webserver (i can actually power off power on via http), it is not really famous for saving power :D
10:18 PM Getty: is there a way i could test that? i mean like some common internal test you guys already know to find out if power saving is a topic?
10:18 PM Getty: then i could test it on my other PowerEdge
10:18 PM XXCoder: power management includes adjusting cpu speed or even turn off some cores as it idle
10:18 PM XXCoder: thats not good for linuxcnc latency
10:18 PM XXCoder: you'd have to enter bios and explore power options
10:19 PM XXCoder: many bios is pretty unique so you'd have to figure out how on your model
10:19 PM XXCoder: most common is f1 at bootup
10:19 PM XXCoder: weirdest one I ever saw was ctrl + f2
10:19 PM Getty: yeah i just thought you guys have a test to determine the latency
10:19 PM XXCoder: it does
10:20 PM XXCoder: its named "Latency test" in cnc menu
10:20 PM XXCoder: pretty strightforward.
10:20 PM Getty: but it needs the hardware, right?
10:21 PM Getty: and Linux CNC is complete OS, right? so i would hvae to install that first....
10:21 PM Getty: probably not running in docker Haha
10:21 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:21 PM XXCoder: think can do live cd boot
10:22 PM XXCoder: never bothered with that as I already had complete computer with blank hard drive
10:22 PM Getty: i anyway wanted to buy a T30 i think i am just working towards my dream here ;)
10:22 PM XXCoder: my poc latency was 15k
10:22 PM XXCoder: hey making your dad machine work again is awesome
10:23 PM Getty: well i also have a 3D Printer that my dad and I never packed out and a Pick&Place Machine.....
10:23 PM Getty: i have LITERALLY a complete lab here
10:23 PM XXCoder: pick and place wiow'
10:24 PM XXCoder: you can do cool stuff with that
10:24 PM Getty: i know
10:24 PM ziper: like what
10:24 PM Getty: my dad made a hardware device where i made the software for
10:24 PM XXCoder: like pick and place extremely complex glass bead surface for example
10:24 PM Getty: and its like sold hundred times
10:24 PM Getty: LED Controller
10:24 PM Getty: "classy"
10:25 PM XXCoder: someone made a clock using pick and place lol
10:25 PM Getty: best fade in the world! :D
10:25 PM Lcvette: https://youtu.be/Sb-C-HgSGME
10:25 PM XXCoder: just intentions pattern and pick and place moves bearings around
10:25 PM Lcvette: For you xxcoder
10:25 PM XXCoder: looking
10:25 PM Lcvette: It did happen! :D
10:26 PM XXCoder: awesome! getting to where it starts to work eh
10:27 PM XXCoder: dont have umm whats that thing called, it comes in and holds part on other side
10:27 PM XXCoder: typically cone
10:27 PM Getty: I once had to repair a drill machine from before WW2
10:27 PM weenerdog: lc : you made that?
10:27 PM Getty: not the machine itself, but the computer who controlled it, some IT genius had made some incredible crazy setup to control the machine
10:28 PM XXCoder: lcv does it have built-in tool ,measure system
10:28 PM Getty: the CPU burned out, 486DX2/66... and we werent able to get a replacement one, only a 486DX4/100 and so all the timings blew up, we found half the source code but werent able to fix it :D
10:28 PM Getty: then we called the guy who made it 15 years ago or so
10:28 PM Getty: was like literally the only "IT" job i wasnt able to finish, but i had no chance
10:29 PM XXCoder: dang thats so old that my first pc is just a generation behind that, at 486 sx 33 mhz
10:29 PM Getty: was for parts like 10 meters metal
10:29 PM Tom_L: Lcvette that's an awfully clean machine for an old clunker
10:32 PM Lcvette: Lol
10:32 PM Lcvette: Tail stock, is a chucker type
10:33 PM Lcvette: Yeah this thing is old school
10:33 PM Lcvette: 8088
10:33 PM weenerdog: lc thats super cool
10:33 PM Lcvette: Pre 486
10:33 PM XXCoder: Getty: anyway yeah all you need is some simple adjustments and your pc will do great as linuxcnc controller
10:34 PM XXCoder: just avoid laptops or those weird pcs that uses internally a laptop type comuter
10:34 PM XXCoder: also probably want to avoid "all in one" as chances is those uses laptop type computer in it also
10:34 PM weenerdog: lol thats pre 286
10:34 PM Getty: yeah, i mean we need the PCIe
10:34 PM Getty: else i dont trust the I/O :D
10:34 PM Getty: so that drops out all the crap
10:34 PM Lcvette: Tom_L is super clean for 25 years old
10:35 PM Lcvette: Pcie 6i25
10:46 PM Tom_L: pfft any of the mesa cards would work fine for you probably
10:47 PM XXCoder: likely
10:47 PM Tom_L: 5i25, 6i25 are pci and pcie respectively
10:47 PM XXCoder: though could you tell if his machine uses servos or steppers
10:47 PM Tom_L: i didn't read the log
10:48 PM Getty: https://i.imgur.com/DNnUzyO.jpg
10:48 PM Tom_L: Lcvette it must not have been used much in production
10:49 PM Tom_L: Getty does it have motor drivers?
10:49 PM Getty: Tom_L: what you mean by that? This is all the machine, the rest was just a cable to the computer, parallel
10:51 PM Lcvette: Tom_L: no it was an educational training lathe, it only has 143hrs of on time total
10:52 PM Lcvette: Not spindle, but actual machine on time
10:52 PM Tom_L: it's not even broke in
10:52 PM Lcvette: Clock counts anytime the machine is powered on
10:52 PM Lcvette: 3 of those are since I've had it
10:52 PM XXCoder: thats around 10 days for one of busier machines at work.
10:52 PM Lcvette: Lol
10:54 PM Lcvette: Well the sitting didn't help it
10:54 PM XXCoder: indeed
10:55 PM XXCoder: some caps would blow if its been unpowered too long
10:55 PM Lcvette: It needed some tlc
10:55 PM Tom_L: Getty, this would probably do what you need: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=306&search=7i92
10:55 PM XXCoder: theres certain era thats expecially sensive
10:55 PM XXCoder: 90s typically
10:55 PM Tom_L: ethernet interface
10:56 PM Lcvette: Needs to be pulled down and all the old grease removed that's hardened, and regreased with fresh
10:56 PM Getty: Tom_L: I thought about going the 6i25, so directly on the PCIe
10:56 PM Tom_L: that would work too
10:57 PM Getty: and then what is the extension card that i need for the CNC? 7i77 sounds like covering all anyway, right?
10:57 PM Tom_L: with either a stepper or servo daughter card depending on your motors
10:57 PM Getty: i have no idea what i have
10:57 PM Tom_L: find out
10:57 PM Tom_L: before you get anything
10:57 PM XXCoder: yeah have to know what machine has
10:58 PM Getty: yeah sure, but does that impact what we need to buy here? i feel like there are not that many options with the extension cards
10:58 PM Getty: or do i miss something?
10:58 PM Tom_L: i just said, stepper or servo
10:58 PM Tom_L: for the daughter card
10:58 PM Getty: Tom_L: i previously said, that i am anyway wanna go "multi purpose" so the more options always better
10:58 PM Tom_L: forget the numbers...
10:59 PM Getty: Tom_L: yeah no, i mean i look at those extension cards that the dealer there in front of me shows
10:59 PM Tom_L: mesa?
10:59 PM Getty: and it looks like that the 7i77 has servo, "spindel", input, output
10:59 PM Getty: yeah
10:59 PM Tom_L: but you don't know if you have servos or steppers
10:59 PM Getty: the other extension cards only have just outputs or just inputs
10:59 PM Tom_L: you need to find that out
11:00 PM Getty: yeah sure, will do, but what is it that either one needs? what is a servo need what is a stepper need?
11:01 PM Tom_L: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=215&search=7i76
11:01 PM Getty: you must see my motivation more like: i want a linux cnc machine that allows me to start thinking about a lot of options i can conquer (and beside that making this CNC machine run of my dad), i am not like directly targeting to ONLY do that with the CNC machine
11:01 PM Tom_L: i believe that would be for stepeprs
11:01 PM Getty: thats why i ask
11:01 PM Tom_L: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=214&search=7i77
11:01 PM Tom_L: and that for servo
11:01 PM Tom_L: but with the 6i25 instead of the 5i25
11:02 PM Getty: i must say i am abit confused, but probably cause there is much not written in the description of those cards hehe :D
11:02 PM Getty: i mean the picture of the both things you showed me are already equally, what is the crucial difference point here?
11:02 PM Tom_L: download the user manual and read it for each one
11:02 PM Getty: want to understand
11:02 PM XXCoder: you might be able to look up model #s on those
11:03 PM XXCoder: see if its model # for stepper or servo
11:03 PM Tom_L: i forget which is which but one is for stepper and one is for servo
11:03 PM Getty: ok.... so that is kinda a crucial attribute, and one for stepper cant be used for servo and one for servo cant be used for stepper?
11:03 PM Tom_L: one will talk about stepgen and one will talk about pwmgen
11:04 PM Tom_L: bingo
11:04 PM Getty: hey, if its about PWM, i can do that! :D
11:04 PM Getty: on my own! :D
11:04 PM Tom_L: likely not as efficient as the mesa card
11:04 PM Getty: sure :D... ok i think i remember what is the topic here
11:04 PM Getty: there is the same topic on the LED world
11:04 PM Getty: there are PWM controlled LED
11:05 PM Getty: and there are some which are somehow like PWM, but you cant use the same chip, i dont know what its called, but that was a topic on development
11:05 PM Getty: rarely used stuff
11:05 PM Getty: but i assume that is the same difference, PWM is just one way to control, and.. there is that other, ok
11:05 PM Getty: my dad said, we cant make the device capable of doing both methods
11:05 PM Tom_L: listen to him
11:05 PM Getty: haha, he is dead ;)
11:06 PM Tom_L: that's why it's important you know what you've got
11:06 PM Getty: he left me the worst laboratory someone can imagine, but a lot of stuff i could extract that were useful, i threw away soooooooooooooo much electronics
11:06 PM Getty: well i will find out
11:06 PM Getty: is there are more then steppers or servo?
11:07 PM Tom_L: not really
11:07 PM Tom_L: not practically anyway
11:07 PM Tom_L: there are different ways to drive servos though
11:07 PM Getty: so if i would get that MESA card with the 2 ports for extension cards, and would buy one for stepper and one for servos, i would be probably able to cover everything?
11:08 PM Getty: "everything"
11:08 PM Tom_L: you can swap the daughter cards, yes
11:08 PM Tom_L: you would need to reload the firmware to reflect the change though
11:08 PM Tom_L: it's not hard to do
11:08 PM Getty: wait, i cant run both at once? I mean the MESA thing looks like to allow 2 extension cards, thats why i ask
11:09 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure, i don't have those cards
11:09 PM Getty: ok, something to find out
11:09 PM Getty: are there probably people with stepper+servo setups who know? or would that be ultra rare case?
11:10 PM Tom_L: if you check back in ~8 hrs someone will be awake that can answer that
11:10 PM Getty: yeah i anyway need to do something totally else
11:10 PM Getty: i am superstressed with 1000 things but somehow felt the need to join here and ask that topic to get a drill
11:10 PM Getty: i mean a drill of the direction ;)
11:11 PM Getty: I was already surprised to realize that a Raspberry is not doing the show (so good) :D but thats ok, doing it real is fun
11:12 PM Getty: https://i.imgur.com/zCDqVF2.jpg here btw the testing station i made for my boards mass tests, we try to find bugs and i always just had one device to test, so now i run a battery :D
11:12 PM Tom_L: i think the graphics is what kills the Rpi
11:12 PM Getty: https://i.imgur.com/VmjLgX9.jpg from the back
11:13 PM Getty: Tom_L: the bigger problem seems to be that nothing of the specialized drivers is available, so most stuff common to LinuxCNC doesn't work there
11:13 PM Getty: although it seems there is some compatibility check on release of LinuxCNC, so raspberry pi will work at least on what is "core"
11:14 PM Getty: the T30 plan i have actually seems to have a big disadvantage, it cant get powered off! :D hehe....
11:14 PM Getty: i probably do not want a LinuxCNC 24/7 on, right? :D
11:14 PM XXCoder: depends on usercase. at work we leave most machines 24/7
11:14 PM Tom_L: there are probably some that are
11:14 PM Getty: i mean not that i doubt that it cant do it, more like that i shouldn't risk that it fires up something while i am not there