#linuxcnc Logs

Nov 20 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

02:03 AM Deejay: moin
04:29 AM XXCoder: heys
04:39 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71IqsT7cyP4 interesting channel
04:42 AM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest69157
05:19 AM Tom_itx: 27° Hi 52
05:20 AM * Tom_itx tiptoes back out so he doesn't wake any lurkers
05:21 AM Deejay: hi tom
05:21 AM * XXCoder watches as Tom_itx acciently steps on stick
05:50 AM weenerdog: g'mawnin
06:06 AM gloops: hmm, spindle slow to start moving today, had to spin it to start it rotating, was fine after that
06:07 AM weenerdog: reminds me of me
06:08 AM gloops: never had that before, either cold or its on its way out
06:10 AM weenerdog: see if it has a starting capacitor
06:10 AM XXCoder: gloops: chineseium spindle?
06:12 AM weenerdog: gloops : under ordinary conditions, when you power the spindle down, do you hear a distinct click as it slows down?
06:15 AM Loetmichel: gloops: VFD or direct (230V) mains?
06:15 AM weenerdog: if thats the case, forget what i said about the starting capacitor. it means theres a centerfugal switch hooked to the start winding thats sticking.
06:16 AM weenerdog: its one or t'other
06:16 AM XXCoder: rhink gloop is off to his machine
06:16 AM weenerdog: ja
06:17 AM Loetmichel: could also be a bearing stuck and a spindle that has not much torque
06:17 AM XXCoder: or dead bushings
06:17 AM Loetmichel: had that a few times with old machines
06:17 AM XXCoder: chineseium ones last 50 hours or so
06:17 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: exactly
06:18 AM XXCoder: having to manually start is sign of that
06:18 AM Loetmichel: in my case it was old grease though
06:18 AM weenerdog: chineseium ones last forever if you lubricate them with soy sauce
06:18 AM Loetmichel: that got a bit doughy over the years
06:19 AM XXCoder: lol
06:20 AM weenerdog: https://www.thrillist.com/home/soy-sauce-in-a-spray-bottle-from-japan no shop should be without it
06:20 AM Loetmichel: ... and considering how the spindle bearings of my companys 800W watercooled chinesium spindle sound i would state that those have a lifetime of about 6 years 8h/5d week ;)
06:21 AM weenerdog: see? soy sauce
06:21 AM XXCoder: interesting. cosh had to replace his after 50 hours
06:21 AM Loetmichel: weenerdog: i have a spray bottle with those "no fat" frying stuff... works great for cutting threads in aluminium :-)
06:21 AM XXCoder: mine isnt that old (even though cnc router is owned by ne for 2 years now)
06:22 AM weenerdog: cool Loetmichel
06:22 AM XXCoder: (use time vs own time) lol
06:22 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: had to replace the stepper couplers on my 6040 here at the company in less than 50 hours, the spindle is still good.. sounds terrible now but no measureable runout/play
06:23 AM XXCoder: interesting
06:23 AM Loetmichel: (rattling like a sack of nuts)
06:24 AM Loetmichel: stepper couplers though were designed to fail...
06:24 AM gloops: sorry Loetmichel - VFD
06:24 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14193
06:24 AM gloops: no bushes its 3 phase
06:25 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15011 <- replaced them with this type... works way better
06:25 AM Loetmichel: gloops:if its VFD: can only be thickened grease or dirt in the bearings then
06:25 AM weenerdog: oh. i dont know doodlysquat about 3 phase except i got knocked off a ladder once by 3ph 480 lol
06:25 AM gloops: hmm, maybe time for a clean inside
06:26 AM weenerdog: bvvvvvvvt ska-whump
06:33 AM XXCoder: ans repack grease i guess
06:49 AM gloops: well seems fine now, maybe just a random bit of sawdust or something that cleared itself
06:52 AM weenerdog: i would sprinkle a circle of salt around the machine and sacrifice a chickun just to be sure
07:02 AM JT-Mobile: morning
07:02 AM weenerdog: good mawnin
07:02 AM XXCoder: yo
07:02 AM XXCoder: hows trip so far
07:02 AM JT-Mobile: good, we are heading home today
07:04 AM XXCoder: nice
07:04 AM weenerdog: home & hearth & shop :)
07:05 AM JT-Mobile: yea we are stopping in Springfield to visit the Bass Pro Aquarium exhibit
07:05 AM weenerdog: i love the bass pro shop aquarium in bristol tn
07:06 AM JT-Mobile: last time we were in Springfield they were still building it
07:07 AM XXCoder: yeah local one got one also
07:08 AM XXCoder: essentally nothing in that store is useful for me, but I like to come in and look at it when I happen to drop off my nephew to school.
07:08 AM Loetmichel: weenerdog: its no SCSI driven system
07:08 AM jymmm: morning all
07:08 AM Loetmichel: ok, you specified chiken, not goat ;)
07:08 AM XXCoder: yo
07:09 AM Loetmichel: morning jymmm
07:09 AM jymmm: get to return today
07:09 AM JT-Mobile: hey jymmm
07:09 AM jymmm: hi jt
07:10 AM jymmm: been displaced due to campfire
07:12 AM jymmm: irc via Android is pita
07:12 AM Loetmichel: indeed
07:12 AM Loetmichel: irc via any device without a keyboard is PITA
07:13 AM jymmm: 147,000 acres, 79 recovered bodies so far, my house is still standing thankfully
07:13 AM JT-Mobile: wow that's a bad one... any rain in sight?
07:14 AM jymmm: they say Wednesday, 67% contained
07:14 AM XXCoder: calfornia fire?
07:15 AM JT-Mobile: I never could figure out how to right click on my phone
07:15 AM miss0r|office: JT-Mobile: Are you writing from a cellphone? :)
07:15 AM weenerdog: you use your left hand
07:15 AM jymmm: xx yes
07:15 AM miss0r|office: jymmm: Are you out of harms way?
07:16 AM JT-Mobile: miss0r|office: no, I'm on my laptop with my RPi connected via ethernet cable so I can program it and talk on here at the same time
07:16 AM miss0r|office: ahh :) It would've been cool though
07:17 AM miss0r|office: Deeply frustrating with the impossible slow typing ect.. but cool nontheless :)
07:17 AM jymmm: miss yes, now. but was in the heart of it Thursday at 9am, total black out, couldn't see 200ft ahead of me, propane tanks exploding all around
07:18 AM miss0r|office: damn. Sounds like some of the pictures I've seen. "hell on earth" they are called
07:19 AM jymmm: miss talked to chp when i snuck in to get meds, he had 2 years before he retires, been in combat, worked other fires, says he got a little ptsd when he drive thru the town
07:20 AM miss0r|office: I can imagine
07:20 AM weenerdog: jymmm, prayers for you and yours
07:20 AM jymmm: wee thanks
07:22 AM jymmm: i was hoping to guys might have some ideas.... i have a propane generator, but need to connect it to the big 250 gal tank temporarily, was thinking using air hose, but no clue on the fittings for quick disconnect
07:23 AM miss0r|office: why would you want quick disconnect?
07:23 AM miss0r|office: also; Do you have a pressure regulator in there or is it direct flow?
07:23 AM JT-Mobile: I used air quick disconnects on my propane cooker
07:24 AM jymmm: miss so the better half can connect it if needed. yes there are regulators, this is all low pressure, less than 8psi
07:25 AM jymmm: jt full brass?
07:25 AM miss0r|office: Then you can get away with using just about anything
07:25 AM miss0r|office: The quick disconnects JT speaks off are great in that case
07:25 AM JT-Mobile: yea just a brass quick disconnect
07:26 AM jymmm: i need some valve that can be locked off?
07:26 AM miss0r|office: Wouldn't you want coated ones? as you will be using them outside?
07:26 AM weenerdog: brass for sure
07:26 AM weenerdog: or bust
07:26 AM weenerdog: sparx, miss0r
07:27 AM miss0r|office: yeah.. but the zink coated ones? they shouldn't spark?
07:27 AM jymmm: don't they have steel balls inside?
07:27 AM miss0r|office: I've never thought about that. They might, yes.
07:27 AM miss0r|office: good point
07:28 AM miss0r|office: About locking it up= Why would you want that: it would take forever to empty it at 8PSI regulated... :)
07:28 AM miss0r|office: as long as the tank itself is bolted down
07:29 AM jymmm: miss trespassers
07:29 AM miss0r|office: I'm from another world here...
07:29 AM JT-Mobile: jymmm: can't you lock the lid of the tank?
07:30 AM miss0r|office: you are afraid someone will live on your land while using your gas?
07:30 AM jymmm: miss people are dumbasses, rather do a lock out of some kind to be safe
07:30 AM jymmm: miss .... even from myself
07:30 AM miss0r|office: sure
07:31 AM jymmm: jt I'm tapping in after the regulator
07:31 AM weenerdog: jymmm, https://www.amazon.com/Brady-SD02M-Cylinder-Tank-Lockout/dp/B003XU7K6G/ref=asc_df_B003XU7K6G/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198094981333&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16944137119909266740&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010229&hvtargid=pla-318745228999&psc=1
07:31 AM JT-Mobile: weenerdog: everything from /ref can be dropped
07:31 AM weenerdog: kinda cheapo. not hacksaw proof, but would probably keep the honest man honest
07:32 AM weenerdog: yeh sorry
07:32 AM miss0r|office: weenerdog: Hehe that is for workarea safety. I.e. symbolic shutoff
07:32 AM JT-Mobile: https://www.amazon.com/Brady-SD02M-Cylinder-Tank-Lockout/dp/B003XU7K6G
07:32 AM JT-Mobile: yea that is just plastic
07:33 AM jymmm: im speaking of the quick connect lockout, a ball valve with a tab to add a padlock
07:33 AM weenerdog: i know a guy who keeps a gas can sitting outside his barn with well-sugared gas just to wean thieves from sucking eggs
07:34 AM jymmm: so idont accidentally turn on the gas
07:36 AM jymmm: the generator has a 3/8 tapered end,
07:36 AM jymmm: so that to a quick connect fitting?
07:37 AM weenerdog: maaaaaaan i gotta go to boone today. dread the traffic.
07:38 AM miss0r|office: jymmm: Do you have rs-online over there?
07:38 AM jymmm: lmao... hey, I'm i ever lose bead on a tire, just connect it to the propane :)
07:39 AM jymmm: miss no, that's a uk chain
07:39 AM miss0r|office: well.. We have it in Denmark as well
07:40 AM miss0r|office: That would've just been a realy nice place to locate such a quick disconnect
07:41 AM jymmm: ok, eu chain
07:41 AM miss0r|office: Also, you have me wondering; You are aware that miss0r is not Miss. 0r, right? :)
07:41 AM jymmm: jt did you use 100% brass quick connect fittings, or did they have the steel balls inside?
07:42 AM jymmm: miss no tab completion on Android
07:42 AM miss0r|office: hehe. makes sense. :)
07:43 AM JT-Mobile: just any old QD jymmm it don't matter the gas is off when you connect/disconnect
07:43 AM jymmm: jt ok, thanks
07:43 AM JT-Mobile: they all leak when disconnected anyway except the very expensive ones
07:44 AM jymmm: are the zinc ones ok to use?
07:44 AM JT-Mobile: yea
07:44 AM miss0r|office: I use them for air all the time :)
07:44 AM miss0r|office: :P
07:44 AM jymmm: jt heh, ok, thus the ball valve :)
07:45 AM miss0r|office: So; This generator of yours? You disconnect it when you are not using it?
07:46 AM jymmm: I'll have to sleeve the hose do to squirrels :)
07:46 AM jymmm: due*
07:46 AM jymmm: but got that figured it already
07:46 AM jymmm: miss yes
07:46 AM miss0r|office: why ? :D Is it a place you do not come too often? or are often away from in long periods?
07:47 AM jymmm: miss it normally uses 5 gal bbq tank, but if there's a long black out, i don't want to chance it
07:48 AM miss0r|office: I get that. Why not keep it hooked up to the big tank permanently?
07:48 AM jymmm: miss just don't have a dog House for it yet
07:48 AM jymmm: need to pour a slab
07:48 AM JT-Mobile: someone might walk by and steal it
07:48 AM jymmm: and theft
07:48 AM miss0r|office: hehe indeed. Please excuse my curiosity gere.
07:49 AM jymmm: miss no worries, it's all good
07:49 AM miss0r|office: theft is a realy serious issue in the states, ha?
07:49 AM jymmm: in the mountains, yes
07:50 AM jymmm: lots of homeless
07:50 AM JT-Mobile: miss0r|office: depends on where you live
07:50 AM miss0r|office: And here I was thinking they'd stick to the cities
07:51 AM miss0r|office: JT-Mobile: Quote from south park: "Here in Canada we have a program to deal with the homeless. It is called winter"
07:51 AM jymmm: miss they chop trees and sell the firewood
07:51 AM JT-Mobile: my neighbor has a sign on his driveway "Due to the rising cost of ammunition I will no long give a warning shot"
07:51 AM miss0r|office: JT-Mobile: hahaha
07:51 AM JT-Mobile: longer
07:51 AM miss0r|office: jymmm: That sounds like what is happending in eastern europe
07:52 AM JT-Mobile: when I first bought the property my neighbor asked me if I was putting in a yard light and I said no, I prefer night vision goggles so they don't have a clue
07:53 AM miss0r|office: I love the humor revolving around it.. But I think the issue is.. well - an issue :)
07:53 AM jymmm: can i use white teflon tape, lots of it?
07:53 AM miss0r|office: yes you can
07:53 AM jymmm: cool
07:55 AM jymmm: miss the biggest thing I've seen about homeless is mental health
07:56 AM jymmm: ... at least up here in this area in the city
07:56 AM miss0r|office: Yeah. Most homeless people probably want something better for themselves
07:56 AM miss0r|office: But not being right in the head can limit that option for you, no doubt.
07:57 AM jymmm: you would be surprised, plus there are groups just scamming people for handouts,
07:58 AM miss0r|office: I find it all realy fucked up. I mean; You 'want' to help people. But the people scamming for handouts just wrecks that part
07:59 AM jymmm: alright guys, thanks for the help, it's 6am and don't know how long the drive will be, it's normally 90 minutes over the mountain, but we're the repopulation, no clue.
07:59 AM jymmm: with*
07:59 AM weenerdog: vaya con dios man
07:59 AM miss0r|office: Alright. Have a good one
07:59 AM jymmm: :)
08:00 AM weenerdog: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X19VKG2/ref=biss_dp_t_asn <-- junk? or take a lot of headaches out of my build?
08:01 AM miss0r|office: weenerdog: It 'could' start with a "J".. but it depends on what you are building
08:01 AM weenerdog: just a 3 axis wood router, miss0r
08:02 AM miss0r|office: well, for wood they are probably fine
08:02 AM miss0r|office: The fact that the linear rails are supported along the length, is always a good thing :)
08:02 AM weenerdog: not making aerospace stuff :) need to hold like .050
08:02 AM Rab: weenerdog, mm or in? ;)
08:03 AM weenerdog: merican :)
08:03 AM Rab: Supported rails are good.
08:03 AM miss0r|office: then they are quite fine enough
08:04 AM miss0r|office: With those tolerances, you could get away with running a wooden leadscrew :D
08:05 AM weenerdog: i just want to rough carve the arched soundboards. i'll still have to tune them by hand.
08:05 AM miss0r|office: Then what you linked is excellent
08:06 AM miss0r|office: if you were planning to do <0.01mm in steel; it would not :)
08:06 AM weenerdog: seems like a cheap simple way to build a @100 cm machine
08:07 AM miss0r|office: well... the linear rails are 1000mm
08:07 AM Rab: Domestic Prime shipping is good, means if you get them and they feel crunchy you can easily send them back.
08:07 AM miss0r|office: when you then remove the linear bushings, which are probably 50mm each, and you don't want them right next to eachother - you want some distance for stability, then you don't realy get 1000mm travel
08:08 AM weenerdog: 600 x 600 is the workspace i'm looking for so 1000 is cool
08:09 AM Rab: weenerdog, are you planning on moving gantry or moving bed?
08:09 AM weenerdog: moving gantry
08:09 AM weenerdog: coward's way out
08:10 AM Rab: 1000mm rails would be more than fine.
08:11 AM weenerdog: hm... this is getting doable
08:12 AM miss0r|office: sure it is :D
08:12 AM weenerdog: says in the q&a they'll give up cad drawings of their stuff if you email. mad scientist mode engage :)
08:13 AM weenerdog: i knew i was saving those three sheets of birch ply for something sweet
08:15 AM JT-Mobile: all right packing up here getting ready to head home see everyone there
08:16 AM weenerdog: safe travels
08:48 AM weenerdog: adios muchachos
08:48 AM Loetmichel: MAAAAN that was finnicky... got the HDMI/FFC pcb soldered that lost its traces because of to wide Mill bit: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17254&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
09:02 AM Rab: Loetmichel, nice work!
09:50 AM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
10:34 AM flyback is now known as krisskross
10:34 AM krisskross is now known as flyback
11:17 AM fragalot: Hi
11:44 AM miss0r|office: hello
11:46 AM * miss0r|office has caught a case of pneumonia and is feeling a bit under the weather
11:48 AM fragalot: again?
11:48 AM fragalot: you should consider not doing that
11:55 AM miss0r|office: meh... its been a year since last time? :)
11:55 AM miss0r|office: Thing is; My kid drags home every possible combination of germs, and my imunesystem is like a street party. Everyone can come
12:05 PM CaptHindsight: miss0r|office: are you you mean pneumonia and not the flu or a cold?
12:06 PM miss0r|office: yep. got some antibiotics from the doctor and everything
12:06 PM fragalot: man flu.
12:06 PM fragalot: :P
12:06 PM CaptHindsight: pneumonia is pretty serious
12:07 PM miss0r|office: It can be. But for a guy my age, it usualy is not
12:08 PM * miss0r|office slaps fragalot with man flu
12:08 PM CaptHindsight: did that guy ~12 hours ago give up on the CNC trials or did he lose some fingers?
12:09 PM miss0r|office: What are we talking about here?
12:10 PM Loetmichel: chunkypuffs?
12:10 PM CaptHindsight: some guy at a makerspace had some German CNC and access to Fusion360 but didn't know and endmill from a drill bit
12:10 PM MarcelineVQ: He had the stream itself running well, it was too late for me to watch
12:10 PM MarcelineVQ: as in too late at night
12:11 PM Loetmichel: no idea, according to my scrollback he left with "[05:08] <ChunkyPuffs> Well fuck, everyone that was on earlier is dead"
12:11 PM CaptHindsight: then he changed nicks
12:12 PM CaptHindsight: matthew1> bout to start, watch as it fails and kills me live on stream
12:12 PM CaptHindsight: <matthew1> I'm cutting
12:12 PM CaptHindsight: <matthew1> rip my ears
12:13 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.scorchworks.com/Gcoderipper/gcoderipper.html
12:13 PM CaptHindsight: I was asking last night if anyone has come across a utility to merge 2 g-code routines together or ...
12:14 PM CaptHindsight: if you had canned g-code say for engraving flat stock and then you changed to stock with contours you could just modify the g-code vs start over again in CAM
12:15 PM miss0r|office: hah. I would've liked to see that
12:15 PM CaptHindsight: G-code to DXF using ^^ above tool and then back to CAM is one option
12:15 PM SpeedEvil: CaptHindsight: It's probably quicker just to hit the tools with a hammer.
12:16 PM miss0r|office: that sounds realy odd
12:16 PM miss0r|office: I feel like I've missed out here
12:16 PM gloops: aspire does that
12:16 PM CaptHindsight: SpeedEvil: I told him to go for it and make jewely/gifts from the broken tooling when he runs out
12:17 PM gloops: project toolpath onto 3d object
12:18 PM miss0r|office: "german cnc" makes it sounds fancy... was it?
12:18 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.vectric.com/products/aspire.html
12:18 PM SpeedEvil: It would be neat if it was gotten working well, but a lot of broken tooling seems likely before then.
12:19 PM miss0r|office: No pictures/video clips leftover?
12:19 PM * miss0r|office is hungry for details
12:19 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.twitch.tv/memetic_ was the stream
12:20 PM miss0r|office: not much left to look at now
12:20 PM miss0r|office: SO: Someone trying a cnc for the first time?
12:20 PM CaptHindsight: yes
12:20 PM miss0r|office: fancy new cnc mill?
12:20 PM miss0r|office: or some old junker
12:20 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: can't you just run a renishaw macro to make it adjust for whatever you throw in there? :D
12:20 PM CaptHindsight: didn't want to know about any g-code
12:21 PM CaptHindsight: just wanted to generate some path and go at it
12:21 PM miss0r|office: ha
12:21 PM miss0r|office: well.. Don't we all just want to see the thing move on its on? :D
12:21 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: have you made any progress on the cnc?
12:21 PM CaptHindsight: some CNC with German controller is all he said to me
12:22 PM miss0r|office: That sounds a bit vauge :D
12:23 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: i've shifted things around to make room for it, but I still need to figure out how the hell i'm going to manhandle the thing once it's cast
12:23 PM miss0r|office: pffft. that sounds dangerously close to 'planning'... :D
12:24 PM fragalot: planning.. panicking.. same thing, right? :D
12:24 PM CaptHindsight: I'd say put a pencil in the quill eraser side down and just have several goes...
12:24 PM CaptHindsight: when you think you have it down replace the pencil with a dull knife and trace your hand
12:24 PM CaptHindsight: https://media1.tenor.com/images/ccedaf929bf2c2a1402d8617f779f316/tenor.gif
12:26 PM Loetmichel: miss0r|office: he has the worst possible machine: a HeiZ
12:27 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: hehe, nah. Get that neighboor of yours to come lift
12:27 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: he's buggered off to new zealand for an "indefinite period"
12:27 PM fragalot: (he does that a lot)
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: interesting but not open or free
12:27 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: you mean like i do here? -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ym4Y9HEm4s
12:27 PM fragalot: comes back, works his ass off, once he's piled up enoguh savings he just runs off until money runs out
12:28 PM fragalot: :P
12:28 PM miss0r|office: Loetmichel: Those are just fairytales.. They are not real..
12:28 PM Loetmichel: miss0r: apparently they are.. but even lower quality than one can assume of the pics on their website
12:28 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: He probably felt a disturbance in the force.. i.e. you about to cast :D
12:29 PM miss0r|office: Can't you fit an engine hoist in there?
12:29 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: :-)
12:29 PM fragalot: not if I want to be able to manouvre it after it's been deployed
12:29 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: thats why you have a bunch of fingers and not just 1
12:29 PM miss0r|office: You would't realy have to. You'd just need it to change orientation of the cast. then lower it on to some wheels for moving around
12:29 PM Loetmichel: https://www.cnc-step.de/cnc-fraese/ <- that thing is REALLY bad
12:30 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: but it's 20% off
12:30 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: so you can lose a few?
12:30 PM CaptHindsight: Nema17 stepper driven lead screw gantry?
12:31 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: we have a saying in germany: "geschenkt ist noch zu teuer"... i would say that fits that "CNC router" pretty well
12:31 PM Loetmichel: ("for free is still to expensive")
12:32 PM miss0r|office: Indeed
12:32 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: nah, i think they are nema23.. but it has a travel of 1000*600mm and 20mm round unsupported rails
12:33 PM Loetmichel: any more questions?
12:33 PM miss0r|office: That thing is like an overprised version of my first chinesium cnc router
12:33 PM CaptHindsight: "you can't pay me enough to take it"
12:33 PM Loetmichel: miss0r: chinese 6040 are smaller but WAY more rigid
12:33 PM miss0r|office: Loetmichel: The steppers are recycles hand mixer motors, supported by bend nails
12:34 PM miss0r|office: They use the sidewalk outside the factory to lap the surface plate flat with
12:34 PM miss0r|office: and they put it together with the paint still wet, so it has a more rigid feel to it
12:34 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: and not even ball cages on the rails... bronce bushings... https://www.cnc-step.de/wp-content/uploads/kugelgewindespindel_cnc_fraese_graviermaschine-1.jpg
12:36 PM CaptHindsight: where do we stand on Ichs? Denial, anger, acceptance?
12:36 PM CaptHindsight: don't stand on him it's not respectful
12:37 PM CaptHindsight: why would his familywant all of his links, postings, videos etc be removed?
12:41 PM miss0r|office: I have never figured that out
12:41 PM miss0r|office: perhaps it was hoted on a server he kept under a desk. and the family cleaned up?
12:42 PM CaptHindsight: they pulled his youtubes
12:42 PM CaptHindsight: they went to every site he had accounts on and removed every thing they could
12:42 PM CaptHindsight: I can understand closing them to save them from hacking
12:43 PM CaptHindsight: but they wanted everything wiped
12:43 PM miss0r|office: That is odd.
12:43 PM fragalot: perhaps it was his wish?
12:43 PM fragalot: he did like to "start over" regularly from what I heard
12:43 PM miss0r|office: I don't know what to tell'ya. Maybe he wanted it that way
12:44 PM miss0r|office: its alot of work for someone to do so.. Not sure they'd just *DO* it without someone asking them
12:44 PM CaptHindsight: is there some sort of legend that his soul will walk the webs?
12:44 PM CaptHindsight: could be
12:45 PM CaptHindsight: well he retired, got his dream of working as a park ranger for 3 years..
12:45 PM CaptHindsight: then returned to teaching
12:46 PM rmu: Loetmichel: my heizfräse has decent stepper motors
12:47 PM Loetmichel: rmu: thats about the only thing thats decent on those things
12:47 PM rmu: so i wouldn't mind getting one for free, for parts
12:47 PM Loetmichel: and only because they coulndt get worse ones ;)
12:48 PM rmu: the way they mount the bushings for the linear rails is a joke
12:48 PM CaptHindsight: yes but do they make money selling them?
12:49 PM CaptHindsight: everything else is anelephant
12:49 PM rmu: you can use it for boring holes into emmentalre
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: say all you have is brick cheese and you need some swiss for a sandwich
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: problem solved
12:51 PM rmu: cheese is about the maximum stiffness you can mill on this thing without flexing the z-axis too much
12:51 PM SpeedEvil: Sometimes that's gouda nough.
12:52 PM rmu: you could mill a circle into 1mm aluminum or even thin steel (very slowly) provided you already have a pilot-hole, drilling the hole is not really possible
12:53 PM CaptHindsight: machining the 4 basic food groups
12:54 PM CaptHindsight: do they teach that over there?
12:54 PM miss0r|office: CaptHindsight: What cheese? You can't put hard cheese in there, you'll overload it
12:54 PM fragalot: warp the bed under the weight
12:55 PM miss0r|office: hahaha yeah. Even if you *JUST* cleaned, I wouldn't eat anything that touched that table
12:55 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: Not everyone buys cheese in whole wheels. just saying
12:55 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: how else do you peel onions?
12:55 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: really?
12:56 PM miss0r|office: IKR
12:56 PM fragalot: nothing beats a good wheel of blue cheese
12:56 PM miss0r|office: Couldn't agree with you more
01:01 PM miss0r|office: I've thought about buying a wheel of cheese before.. like a 50kg one
01:01 PM MarcelineVQ: mushroms, bleu cheese, garlic, and raw onion, breakfast skillet of champions
01:01 PM miss0r|office: They can stay good for 10+ years.
01:01 PM miss0r|office: But once you open them, they go bad within 6 months...
01:01 PM fragalot: lol
01:01 PM miss0r|office: and I don't see myself eating 50kgs of cheese in 6 months
01:02 PM miss0r|office: well.. not surviving atleast
01:02 PM MarcelineVQ: We shred cheese and freeze it in bags with a little air to cushion them against each other, lasts plently long enough for us
01:02 PM MarcelineVQ: lets you buy it on sale every time that way
01:03 PM miss0r|office: Indeed. But does that allow for you to have a 50kgs cheese wheel laying around on a shelf in your basement? I think not
01:03 PM MarcelineVQ: Wouldn't do that for sandwitch cheeze though, freezing can affect texure
01:03 PM MarcelineVQ: It's all the same for melted stuff though
01:03 PM MarcelineVQ: it's true, it's hard to show off a cheese wheel to impress your neighbors and your boss when it's shredded and frozen
01:04 PM miss0r|office: my point exactly :D
01:04 PM MarcelineVQ: Consider decoative gourds for a similar affect
01:04 PM MarcelineVQ: or wine you've made yourself and talk about with a snooty accent hehe
01:06 PM miss0r|office: If I made wine myself I *would* be proud.. Its only wine grape friendly here every 3rt or 4th year :)
01:06 PM MarcelineVQ: Not mead though, people will think you're a weirdo
01:06 PM miss0r|office: meh... I thought about that as well :)
01:07 PM MarcelineVQ: If you live on a coast you can make birch beer to fit in with the locals
01:07 PM miss0r|office: But *DO* consider, I am danish - so it has a touch of genuinity to it
01:08 PM fragalot: danes? genuine? I thought your country was as made up as belgium is
01:08 PM miss0r|office: Don't drag us down with you!
01:08 PM MarcelineVQ: That's fair, mead is probably much more reasonable to a skondi, which is a word I​just made up now that probably exists and hopefully isn't derogatory
01:10 PM miss0r|office: WHAT DID YOU JUST CALL ME ?!
01:10 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13MMj03U8CA <--
01:10 PM miss0r|office: It wasnt :)
01:10 PM MarcelineVQ: You heard me!
01:10 PM fragalot: 0:28 (ish)
01:10 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: I watched that episode.. but it doesn't burn... everyone knows you can't trust the swedes with anything :D
01:10 PM fragalot: :-)
01:10 PM MarcelineVQ: I really like that show, only saw first couple seasons iirc
01:11 PM miss0r|office: Too bad they had some swedes badmouth us danes.. :D
01:11 PM miss0r|office: I love the quite ridiculous swedish accent.. :D
01:12 PM miss0r|office: Everyone knows swedes are far worse :P
01:14 PM miss0r|office: I liked that show also.. I've only ever seen what netflix had to offer. so the first three seasons I think
01:14 PM fragalot: it has the first 6 I think
01:14 PM fragalot: (at least here)
01:14 PM miss0r|office: On netflix?
01:14 PM fragalot: yeah
01:15 PM fragalot: 5.
01:15 PM miss0r|office: 4 seaons here in dk
01:15 PM Loetmichel: *gnhihi* just walked by our bedroom. wife has an "IKEA JANSÖ" as a nightstand-lamp. which is flickering a bit for weeks now... when i came by it was flickering in earnest. so i walked in, switched it off blew a few times into the cord switch it has, switched it back on: flickering gone. (those inline cors switches are prone to dust collection on the contacts)... wife: "what? so easy? i was
01:15 PM Loetmichel: annoyed by the flickering for weeks now!"
01:16 PM fragalot: sometimes it's the easy things
01:16 PM miss0r|office: What a superman fix :)
01:16 PM fragalot: cousin of mine had been struggling with her door not closing properly for (apparently) the last 2 years
01:17 PM fragalot: took her to the shop, bought her some moly spray, squirted that into the door latch,.. problem gone.
01:17 PM fragalot: >.>
01:18 PM miss0r|office: :]
01:19 PM miss0r|office: I hope you held her hand like she was a 5yo having a tantrum and you were the ever patient rolemodel :D
01:19 PM miss0r|office: he/she... cousin is a stupid word.. it can be both. Here we have seprate names for male/female cousins
01:19 PM fragalot: agreed
01:19 PM fragalot: doesn't matter for the narrative though
01:20 PM fragalot: both genders can be absolutely inept :D
01:20 PM miss0r|office: indeed
01:21 PM fragalot: also, I'm really happy with the new welder :D
01:21 PM fragalot: however!
01:21 PM fragalot: if you are half-sitting on a mill to steady yourself whilst welding.. and also lean onto th epart a little.. and you ignite the HF start
01:21 PM fragalot: but the ground clamp fell off
01:21 PM fragalot: ooh boy.
01:21 PM miss0r|office: hahahaha
01:21 PM miss0r|office: yeah...
01:21 PM miss0r|office: that will wake'ya up
01:22 PM fragalot: :D
01:22 PM miss0r|office: that HW HF can generate a quite noticable tingling sensation :)
01:23 PM fragalot: not sure if i'd still describe it as "tingling" xD
01:23 PM miss0r|office: :D
01:24 PM miss0r|office: I'll raise you one
01:24 PM miss0r|office: I once had a had ground clamp; so I got a realy nice wack over the hand from the pilot
01:25 PM fragalot: try saying that again
01:25 PM miss0r|office: Which resulted in a mussle spasm that made me hit myself in the groin
01:25 PM fragalot: lol
01:25 PM miss0r|office: I was amazed and pissed off at the same time
01:35 PM miss0r|office: I'll call it a night. Part of having pneumonia means eating you medicine and going to bed early... No slacking off at work!
01:35 PM fragalot: cya
01:35 PM miss0r|office: well.. today and yesterday I only worked ½ days. But the boss-man wasn't pleased about it ;)
01:35 PM miss0r|office: See you around
02:05 PM gloops: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/466052261424884790/
02:06 PM Loetmichel: gloops: looks like a "spirograph" to me
02:07 PM gloops: yeah thats what it is basically
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: https://postimg.cc/67Csv2QJ like this? ^^ li8nk doesn't load for me
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2016/03/cycloid-drawing-machine/
04:17 PM Deejay: gn8
04:39 PM matthew1: anybody on from yday?
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: ah you missed everyone by 4 hours (:
04:42 PM matthew1: yeah bout to go live again
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: but you made it out alive, good news!
04:42 PM matthew1: we'll see if I don't break a bit
04:42 PM matthew1: I did it, but I don't quite get how to set stock in fusion, maybe you can teach me on a gcode level
04:43 PM matthew1: be back one sec
04:44 PM ChunkyPuffs: right I'm back, with the right username, weechat lol
04:47 PM ChunkyPuffs: https://twitch.tv/memetic_
04:47 PM ChunkyPuffs: I'll be on shortly
04:47 PM ChunkyPuffs: just need a piss
05:18 PM ChunkyPuffs: CaptHindsight: you still around?
05:23 PM ChunkyPuffs: live
05:26 PM ChunkyPuffs: let me know when you're tuned in and can help with this shitty software
05:46 PM ChunkyPuffs: Nobody able to help with this stock problem I'm having in Fusion360?
05:46 PM ChunkyPuffs: my object is 12mm, my stock is 12.2mm, why can't I set the stock like this in fusion properly?
05:55 PM ChunkyPuffs: you guys are all sleeping like old men lol
05:55 PM Tom_itx: or ignoring you
05:55 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
05:55 PM Tom_L: i don't use fusion 360
05:56 PM ChunkyPuffs: well we've got gcode in a moment tom Tom_L
05:56 PM Tom_L: and you should be able to set the stock like you want it
05:56 PM ChunkyPuffs: https://twitch.tv/memetic_
05:56 PM ChunkyPuffs: you can assist maaaaybe
05:56 PM Tom_L: no i can't
05:56 PM ChunkyPuffs: this shitty kinetic software is the bane of my existence
05:56 PM Tom_L: i'm leaving
05:56 PM ChunkyPuffs: welp, bye
05:57 PM Tom_L: you insisted on using it because it has adaptive material removal
05:57 PM ChunkyPuffs: which? fusion?
05:57 PM Tom_L: uh huh
05:57 PM ChunkyPuffs: no fusion is great
05:57 PM ChunkyPuffs: kineticCNC is the software that sends the gcode
05:57 PM Tom_L: not if you can't get the tool to work for you
05:57 PM ChunkyPuffs: it's proprietary cnc stuff
05:58 PM ChunkyPuffs: I did some successful cuts earlier
05:58 PM Tom_L: fusion has a linuxcnc post
05:58 PM ChunkyPuffs: I'm still too noob to know what that means
05:58 PM Tom_L: later
05:58 PM ChunkyPuffs: cya, thanks
06:09 PM ChunkyPuffs: cutting time
06:09 PM jthornton: yea I'm home
06:11 PM ChunkyPuffs: you watching the stream?
06:11 PM ChunkyPuffs: might be a bit loud lol
06:35 PM * jthornton reads back to Tom_L comment and chuckles
06:43 PM ChunkyPuffs: so my bit snapped
06:43 PM ChunkyPuffs: motherfucker
06:45 PM Tom_L: funny guy ehh?
06:45 PM ChunkyPuffs: why did my bit snap :(
06:45 PM ChunkyPuffs: the toolpath looks fine
06:46 PM Tom_L: because you didn't test it without one first
06:46 PM gregcnc: clearly bit off more than it could chew
06:46 PM ChunkyPuffs: it cut out a large portion just fine
06:46 PM ChunkyPuffs: then just snapped at a certain point
06:46 PM gregcnc: could be many reasons
06:46 PM ChunkyPuffs: can show if you tune in, toolpath and where it snapped
06:46 PM ChunkyPuffs: if there's any intuition
06:47 PM gregcnc: post the code?
06:47 PM Tom_L: how did you set the the tool?
06:47 PM Tom_L: how did you set the material zero?
06:47 PM ChunkyPuffs: touch plate
06:47 PM ChunkyPuffs: calipers
06:47 PM Tom_L: was the spindle on?
06:47 PM Tom_L: all sorts of unknowns here
06:47 PM ChunkyPuffs: the spindle was on and cut a nice portion
06:47 PM ChunkyPuffs: tune in and there'll be less unknowns
06:47 PM Tom_L: i just returned
06:48 PM Tom_L: how rigid is the machine?
06:48 PM ChunkyPuffs: lemme know when you're watching so I can talk to you
06:48 PM Tom_L: if the machine isn't rigid enough you will continue to break tools
06:48 PM ChunkyPuffs: the machine is rigid, I don't really think that's why a 2.7mm bit snapped
06:49 PM methods_: lol
06:49 PM Tom_L: 2.7 isn't that big
06:49 PM * methods_ giggles
06:49 PM gregcnc: jumping into CNC neck deep isn't that easy, but it's one way to learn
06:49 PM Tom_L: explain the steps you did to set the tool length offset
06:49 PM methods_: what doc
06:50 PM ChunkyPuffs: let me know when you're watching so I can do that with the actual software I'm using, on screen
06:50 PM Tom_L: trial by fire and pocketbook for new tools
06:50 PM Tom_L: i'm right here
06:50 PM jthornton: makes no difference if someone is watching you break stuff
06:50 PM Tom_L: :D
06:51 PM methods_: is that mdf you're cutting?
06:51 PM Tom_L: at least i won't get injured from here
06:51 PM Tom_L: where does fusion360 say Z zero is located?
06:52 PM Tom_L: what's your z clear distance?
06:52 PM Tom_L: what feeds and speeds are you using?
06:53 PM methods_: is that a 4fl end mill?
06:53 PM methods_: on mdf?
06:53 PM Tom_L: methods_ what happens when you rub 2 sticks together real fast?
06:53 PM methods_: lol
06:53 PM Tom_L: :)
06:54 PM methods_: you get to buy more endmills?
06:54 PM Tom_L: or burn the house down
06:54 PM methods_: bonus
06:55 PM Tom_L: so far i haven't seen any hard numbers as to where the material or tool is or how fast it's burning it
06:56 PM gregcnc: check your clearance planes
06:56 PM ChunkyPuffs: are you listening to audio?
06:56 PM Tom_L: i may have f360 installed but i'm not gonna fire it up
06:56 PM ChunkyPuffs: I told you the hard numbers
06:56 PM Tom_L: i'm not on the live feed, i'm right here
06:56 PM gregcnc: this is why we type here, it's easy to reference
06:57 PM ChunkyPuffs: ..
06:57 PM Tom_L: then i can scroll back if i forget what you said which is quite likely
06:57 PM ChunkyPuffs: So you're not going to look at the stream
06:57 PM ChunkyPuffs: despite the stream literally having everything you want to see
06:57 PM ChunkyPuffs: on screen, and described by me in voice
06:57 PM gregcnc: it's tiny
06:57 PM ChunkyPuffs: yeah I asked if it was too tiny, and explained it all before hand
06:57 PM Tom_L: i'd rather go sort my sock drawer
06:58 PM ChunkyPuffs: anyway, despite me telling you 3 times in various ways, the feedrate is 500mm/s at 5000rpm
06:58 PM methods_: depth of cut?
06:59 PM ChunkyPuffs: 500mm/min
06:59 PM methods_: number of flutes on the end mill
06:59 PM Tom_L: that's not an obsured feedrate
06:59 PM methods_: you're trying to cut 12mm deep with 2.7mm end mill?
06:59 PM Tom_L: you may want to use 2 or 3 flutes instead of 4
07:00 PM Tom_L: it's a bit on the fast side for that cutter not knowing how ridid your machine is
07:00 PM gregcnc: only 5kRPM too
07:00 PM Tom_L: ~20 ipm
07:00 PM ChunkyPuffs: 12the door handle on the cnc room broke
07:00 PM ChunkyPuffs: now I'm stuck lol
07:00 PM methods_: we'll notify the authorities
07:02 PM methods_: maybe try 500mm/min on the door
07:02 PM ChunkyPuffs: right, I've already explained what you've asked for 3 times now on the stream
07:03 PM ChunkyPuffs: every single detail
07:03 PM ChunkyPuffs: I'm talking to nothing
07:03 PM Tom_L: a 4 flute endmill is likely to load up with chips and just start burning the material
07:03 PM ChunkyPuffs: well it didn't and I've got proof
07:03 PM methods_: especially at 4-5xd
07:03 PM gregcnc: are you here to learn?
07:03 PM ChunkyPuffs: I have plenty of successful cuts and nothing is burnt, it's mdf
07:03 PM jthornton: isn't there a #fusion360 channel?
07:04 PM ChunkyPuffs: Yes gregcnc I'm here to learn instead of being asked the same question over and over whilst getting no response
07:04 PM ChunkyPuffs: I am streaming for the purpose of making it easier to learn
07:04 PM jthornton: wow I got a 73 gram egg from the other day
07:04 PM methods_: you're using the wrong tool for the job it will continue to break
07:05 PM ChunkyPuffs: why is it the wrong tool for the job?
07:05 PM Tom_L: kineticCNC isn't your problem if all it does is send the code to the machine
07:05 PM ChunkyPuffs: can I talk to you or do I have to keep typing?
07:05 PM methods_: it's loading up with chips you're cutting
07:05 PM ChunkyPuffs: let me know
07:05 PM Tom_L: i just explained about the tool
07:05 PM ChunkyPuffs: Idk if you're watching or not, but I need to know if I can talk instead of type
07:05 PM methods_: you need 2 flute end mill or a cutter made for mdf
07:05 PM gregcnc: please type
07:05 PM Tom_L: <Tom_L> a 4 flute endmill is likely to load up with chips and just start burning the material
07:06 PM methods_: if you don't want to use a 2fl end mill you can decrease your depth of cut and take more passes
07:06 PM * jthornton wants to learn how to fly but doesn't want to waste time learning how...
07:06 PM ChunkyPuffs: You're being annoying
07:06 PM Tom_L: i would slow the feedrate down until you get a good result
07:06 PM ChunkyPuffs: I can't do shit without showing you the fucking cut
07:06 PM Tom_L: i can stop being annoying really fast
07:06 PM methods_: taking 12mm depth of cut with a 3mm end mill you're just asking to break it
07:06 PM ChunkyPuffs: I've shown it now and explained everything 3 times on stream
07:06 PM gregcnc: we've helped countless without as much as a pci
07:06 PM gregcnc: pci
07:07 PM gregcnc: pic
07:07 PM Tom_L: but nobody i know of is watching the video as i also explained
07:07 PM jthornton: hmm how does ignore work again?
07:07 PM ChunkyPuffs: yes, but when I've set up the stream for the purpose of showing you EXACTLY what I"m doing
07:07 PM Tom_L: not how we roll here
07:07 PM ChunkyPuffs: it's really annoying that you won't simply click a link
07:07 PM jthornton: try the forum they like videos
07:07 PM ChunkyPuffs: I have a view port on each of my machines
07:08 PM Tom_L: also as annoying that you ask for help and don't wanna comply to our requests
07:08 PM ChunkyPuffs: the machine sending gcode is on screen, fusion360's toolpaths and data are on screen, and I can talk
07:08 PM ChunkyPuffs: I am complying to your requests
07:08 PM gregcnc: what was depth of cut on successful paths?
07:08 PM ChunkyPuffs: when you said "I'm here" I assumed on the stream I linked
07:08 PM ChunkyPuffs: Instead of forcing me to get RSI on this shitty fucking keyboard
07:08 PM methods_: the end mill can handle full doc cuts for awhile
07:08 PM methods_: eventually it won't though
07:09 PM methods_: mdf is hell on tooling
07:09 PM ChunkyPuffs: Whatever, hopefully you can understand when I've been talking to a brick wall for 20 minutes because you didn't tell me you weren't watching until I asked 20 minutes later,
07:09 PM ChunkyPuffs: Moving on, let me know what I did wrong providing I give you the right details.,
07:09 PM Tom_L: how did you set the tool length offset?
07:09 PM ChunkyPuffs: Calipers
07:09 PM Tom_L: explain in detail
07:09 PM jthornton: ah much quieter now that I've figured out how to ignore
07:09 PM ChunkyPuffs: fusion 360
07:09 PM * methods_ goes to throw some turkeys in brine
07:09 PM gregcnc: calipers aren't used for that
07:10 PM Tom_L: jthornton how was the trip?
07:10 PM ChunkyPuffs: Then I don't know what you mean by tool length offset
07:10 PM ChunkyPuffs: maybe if you tuned into the stream and looked at the diagram fusion has, you could tell me what part of it that is
07:10 PM Tom_L: then that's part of your problem
07:10 PM jthornton: very nice the sun finally came out yesterday but we had a good time
07:10 PM gregcnc: the pocket that was cut, is it the expected depth?
07:11 PM ChunkyPuffs: yes greg
07:11 PM ChunkyPuffs: I have no idea if I can talk to you or show you
07:11 PM ChunkyPuffs: there's a magical technology called the internet and I can stream bytes of video directly to you, and I can show you
07:11 PM Tom_L: you need to match the z zero on your mill to where you told the cad model it was located
07:12 PM Tom_L: then you need to tell the mill software how long the tool is
07:12 PM Tom_L: calipers aren't used for that
07:12 PM ChunkyPuffs: 10mm
07:12 PM gregcnc: was it supposed to be 10mm?
07:12 PM gregcnc: I have no idea?
07:12 PM ChunkyPuffs: well on stream, I can show you
07:12 PM gregcnc: anyhow. there are two parts to this process
07:12 PM jthornton: wow I'm 2GB to the good on bandwidth for the month and I still won't watch
07:12 PM Tom_L: what happens if you tell the machine to go to z zero?
07:12 PM ChunkyPuffs: I have the fusion model and the inspect tool
07:12 PM ChunkyPuffs: if you have shit internet I can understand but I don't expect that lol
07:13 PM * Tom_L high 5's jthornton
07:13 PM * jthornton high 5's Tom_L back
07:13 PM gregcnc: first CAM generates a tool path. then you must setup the machine to run the CAM
07:13 PM gregcnc: program
07:13 PM Tom_L: i have very good internet
07:13 PM gregcnc: poor setup will result in failures
07:13 PM CaptHindsight: I have more than one internets!
07:14 PM gregcnc: to do CAM correctly you must know what the machine and tooling is capable of
07:15 PM gregcnc: if the 2.7mm tool can't handle a 12.7mm pass --->> broken tool
07:15 PM * jthornton internet comes from sputnik
07:15 PM Tom_L: i typically don't go deeper than the tool diameter in a pass
07:15 PM Tom_L: rule of thumb
07:15 PM methods_: ^^
07:15 PM gregcnc: if a tool breaks, it's been overloaded
07:15 PM gregcnc: reduce depth of cut
07:15 PM methods_: 5xd is bad
07:16 PM methods_: especially with the wrong tool
07:16 PM Tom_L: oh shit... i missed that part
07:16 PM ChunkyPuffs: so a 3mm tool can't do 12mm depth cuts?
07:16 PM Tom_L: that's what he's doing?
07:16 PM Tom_L: no
07:16 PM methods_: maybe a 2fl
07:16 PM gregcnc: yes
07:16 PM methods_: not a 4fl
07:16 PM methods_: it's gonna load up and break
07:16 PM ChunkyPuffs: so you're saying that if I simply want to cut something out, I must use a larger tool?
07:16 PM Tom_L: it can but you take finer cuts
07:16 PM Tom_L: ask zeeshan all about that
07:16 PM ChunkyPuffs: I can't do anything in cam to get the job done?
07:16 PM Tom_L: he likes to do it that way
07:16 PM methods_: take less depth of cut
07:16 PM methods_: 3mm depth of cut
07:16 PM methods_: so do 4 passes
07:16 PM ChunkyPuffs: man, I'll come back when I've got more experience
07:17 PM Tom_L: take shallower cuts
07:17 PM ChunkyPuffs: you guys aren't noob friendly at all
07:17 PM methods_: at 3mm depth of cut each
07:17 PM gregcnc: yes, reduce depth of cut to make several passes
07:17 PM Tom_L: sure we are
07:17 PM Tom_L: but you expect us to bend an i don't think my back will now
07:17 PM * methods_ throws Tom_L his cane
07:18 PM Tom_L: we will help you with anything and probably can
07:18 PM Tom_L: :)
07:18 PM Tom_L: figure of speech
07:18 PM Tom_L: reduce the depth of cut in your cad cam model
07:19 PM * jthornton wanders upstairs to watch mash or something interesting
07:19 PM Tom_L: jthornton, seen the whole series
07:19 PM Tom_L: she taped them all
07:19 PM Tom_L: binge watched them for a while some time back
07:20 PM ChunkyPuffs: would you expect a 3mm bit to do 6mm?
07:20 PM Tom_L: depth?
07:20 PM ChunkyPuffs: because it did successfully yesterday
07:20 PM Tom_L: no
07:20 PM methods_: not a 4fl end mill in mdf
07:21 PM ChunkyPuffs: and furthermore, would you expect it to do 10mm?
07:21 PM Tom_L: maybe you just got lucky yesterday
07:21 PM ChunkyPuffs: because it just did
07:21 PM ChunkyPuffs: on this cut that failed
07:21 PM ChunkyPuffs: it failed on the outline of the model, the none pockets
07:21 PM methods_: you may get away with it for awhile
07:21 PM methods_: but eventually it will fail
07:21 PM ChunkyPuffs: it has no perimeter/trench or whatever
07:21 PM methods_: there's is always a tradeoff between tool life and feed
07:22 PM Tom_L: is the cutoff secured as well as the part? if a piece isn't secured it could pinch the cutter when it gets to the end of the cut and snap the cutter
07:22 PM methods_: you're using the wrong tool so things will be even worse
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: huh all I see is a Battlefield V commercial
07:24 PM ChunkyPuffs: so for a simple model like the one you refuse to tune in to see
07:24 PM ChunkyPuffs: you think I need to do multiple tool changes
07:24 PM Tom_L: no not necessarily
07:24 PM Tom_L: just use the right tool
07:24 PM gregcnc: on tool will work. but the cutting parameters must be reasonable for that tool
07:24 PM methods_: ^^
07:24 PM ChunkyPuffs: Well guess I'm not going to get any live help from you guys lol
07:25 PM ChunkyPuffs: You're being vague and acting like gatekeepers, I know nothing of what you're talking of.
07:25 PM methods_: sweet jesus
07:25 PM ChunkyPuffs: When you say the things you're saying, you expect me to have some innate knowledge.
07:25 PM ChunkyPuffs: I have told you things, you then tell me that the things that have happened should be impossible, so what is it?
07:25 PM methods_: what don't you understand about take less depth of cut
07:26 PM ChunkyPuffs: I don't know how to apply that
07:26 PM Tom_L: i figured you understood since you seem to know your way around fusion360
07:26 PM gregcnc: you got lucky
07:26 PM ChunkyPuffs: I didn't get lucky, I did it multiple times
07:26 PM methods_: we told you how it was possible
07:26 PM methods_: it's like your car
07:26 PM ChunkyPuffs: on the test mdf piece that you won't tune in to see, you can see many pockets done with the same settings
07:26 PM methods_: if you run it without oil it will work for awhile
07:26 PM methods_: then it will blow up
07:26 PM ChunkyPuffs: I don't know how to quantify anything you're saying
07:26 PM ChunkyPuffs: what you're saying is vague and I have no way of measuring
07:27 PM ChunkyPuffs: I am to believe I should simply fuck off and not use the tool, if I'm to follow your guidance
07:27 PM methods_: nothing is vague about take less depth of cut
07:27 PM ChunkyPuffs: No, that's fine
07:27 PM gregcnc: so how many thousand parts have you succesfully cut that you can say your' right and we're wrong?
07:27 PM methods_: and buy a 2 flute when you get a chance
07:27 PM ChunkyPuffs: but telling me I need to know the tolerances of my cnc is incredibly vague
07:27 PM gregcnc: unfortunately thats' true
07:27 PM ChunkyPuffs: how on earth am I, a 20 year old dude with access to a makerspace's shitty proprietary cnc to measure any of that shit
07:27 PM Tom_L: you need to know what the machine is capable of
07:27 PM ChunkyPuffs: that's not what I'm here for
07:28 PM gregcnc: those machines are wildly variable in quality and accuracy
07:28 PM ChunkyPuffs: you're acting like you can't make cncing simple
07:28 PM Tom_L: that's not asking too much
07:28 PM methods_: lol
07:28 PM ChunkyPuffs: I don't give a shit about tool lifespan, I want to make something and get better at doing it
07:28 PM ChunkyPuffs: You don't tell someone to start off with a tiling window manager
07:28 PM ChunkyPuffs: I am not 100% efficient, and that's okay, stop telling me to be
07:28 PM methods_: well obviously you do care about tool lifespan since you can't make anything without it
07:29 PM ChunkyPuffs: I care about tool lifespan when I succeed in cutting one thing
07:29 PM ChunkyPuffs: then I can get gradually better at making my tool last
07:29 PM Tom_L: right now your tool lifespan is rather short
07:29 PM Tom_L: we're trying to help you increase that
07:29 PM gregcnc: dude, if you are not sure what depth of cut is, ASK
07:29 PM Tom_L: but you're acusing us of talking above your head
07:29 PM Tom_L: we don't know what you do or don't know
07:30 PM gregcnc: you'r mad because nodboy is whatching you feed, but you don't care about the advice you've been given about your cutting tool
07:30 PM Tom_L: i'm not gonna spend the evening defending myself trying to help.
07:30 PM Tom_L: good luck.
07:31 PM * Tom_L goes to watch MASH with jthornton
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: when I was a kid we would never ask someone in the know about something and then act this way
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: how times have changed
07:38 PM ChunkyPuffs: I didn't appreciate talking to a brick wall on my stream that I set up for the purpose of talking to you, no
07:38 PM ChunkyPuffs: I didn't expect that you wouldn't appreciate that
07:38 PM ChunkyPuffs: I didn't expect that you wouldn't want to watch, etc, and so talked to myself for 20 mins, yes, that makes me unhappy.
07:39 PM ChunkyPuffs: And then the things you're telling me point in the direction of "go home, I'm gatekeeping this knowledge right now and making it seem more complicated than it actually is"
07:39 PM ziper: back in my day a nickel was a penney
07:39 PM gregcnc: who said that?
07:39 PM ChunkyPuffs: meanwhile I'm trapped in the room because the door broke
07:39 PM gregcnc: 100$ is the new 20$
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: pennies, you had pennies?!
07:41 PM methods_: do you need us to notify someone to extricate you?
07:42 PM CaptHindsight: reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EBfxjSFAxQ
07:42 PM CaptHindsight: IT Crowd FIRE!
07:43 PM ChunkyPuffs: no lol
07:46 PM ChunkyPuffs: bout to drill the fucking door in lol
09:16 PM ChunkyPuffs: I think I get what you're saying
09:16 PM ChunkyPuffs: Right now my 3mm bit is going through the whole 12mm in one pass
09:16 PM ChunkyPuffs: at a feed rate of 320mm/min
09:17 PM ChunkyPuffs: I can see how it's probably struggling, all live at https://twitch.tv/memetic_ btw :)
09:17 PM ChunkyPuffs: what are they called? trenches? boundaries? the gap between the piece
09:17 PM ChunkyPuffs: you create them when defining your stock, rest machining?
09:18 PM ChunkyPuffs: I can see why you need to peck it all now, I still don't understand quite where you do that in fusion
09:30 PM weenerdog: howdy