#linuxcnc Logs
Nov 05 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:13 AM laminae_: Anyone have a suggestion for troubleshooting? unable to use my probe after i run a job.
12:16 AM laminae_: Home all, touch off z, g54 work piece everything is great
12:16 AM laminae_: then i get a tool change or try and load another job and i need to use my probe and i get a violating joint 2 error
12:16 AM XXCoder: what is joint 2?
12:16 AM laminae_: x
12:16 AM laminae_: Which makes absolutely no sense to me
12:16 AM XXCoder: was it at max on any extents?
12:16 AM laminae_: over 200mm from limit
12:16 AM XXCoder: weird
12:16 AM XXCoder: I wonder if theres some configation issue
12:16 AM laminae_: Even if i override my work offset and rezero home, still throws an error
12:16 AM XXCoder: or maybe its using g54 to check if its going to max
12:16 AM XXCoder: when it should be machine coord
12:18 AM laminae_: mmkay, gonna go tinker with that, brb
12:51 AM laminae_: To make sure i understand the dro menu correctly, if i click on the dro tab and view the column above g54, that is my position relative to absolute zero, correct?
12:51 AM XXCoder: a second loading
12:52 AM XXCoder: the basic XYZ one
12:52 AM XXCoder: no coord one
12:53 AM laminae_: Well, here's my confusion, if i select "home all" i wait for the machine to zero out and then move to my work piece and select "touch off" it isn't my g54 number on the dro that updates
12:53 AM laminae_: I believe that might be the source of my issue
12:53 AM XXCoder: lemme play around a second
12:53 AM XXCoder: just powered on my machine
12:53 AM XXCoder: so you hit home all
12:54 AM XXCoder: on mine xyz on top and TLO is all zero
12:54 AM laminae_: Yep, then move to work piece origin
12:54 AM XXCoder: g54 is not
12:55 AM XXCoder: uh what is shared home?
12:56 AM XXCoder: it says I cant home while shared home switch is on
12:56 AM laminae_: If you combine a limit switch with home
12:56 AM laminae_: In config
12:56 AM laminae_: It's saying a limit switch is triggered
12:56 AM XXCoder: it says so even when I unhome all axis
12:56 AM laminae_: You using active low switches?
12:57 AM laminae_: Might have come unplugged or something like thatr
12:57 AM XXCoder: its a simulation
12:57 AM XXCoder: nothing to unplug
12:57 AM XXCoder: ill just restart
12:57 AM laminae_: Weird
12:58 AM XXCoder: okay
12:58 AM XXCoder: so XYZ is not zero, g54 is not zero on x and y
12:58 AM laminae_: I had a really weird instance where my x and y were all jacked up after a tool change and none of those values changed either
12:58 AM XXCoder: TLO all zeros
12:58 AM XXCoder: homing
12:58 AM laminae_: wait, is tl0 g92?
12:59 AM XXCoder: TLO is tool length orgin I think dunno
12:59 AM XXCoder: g92 is also displayed here
12:59 AM XXCoder: lemme set tool length to h1
12:59 AM XXCoder: umm whats gcode for that.. h1 is enough right?
01:00 AM laminae_: Sorry, that was a delay my phone hates me
01:00 AM XXCoder: TLO changed yeah
01:00 AM XXCoder: g43h1
01:00 AM laminae_: I thought so, i sent g92.1 and it went from -0.0 tp 0.0 whatever that means
01:00 AM XXCoder: it changes with tool h changes so it is very clearly tool point
01:01 AM laminae_: Hmm, could you touch off and see if g54 updates now?
01:01 AM XXCoder: brb
01:01 AM laminae_: righto
01:04 AM XXCoder: sorry had to have a draining experence. ;)
01:04 AM XXCoder: okay lemme zoom out to see extents
01:04 AM laminae_: Ah, one of those
01:05 AM XXCoder: dang Z is shallow i guess its a sim of router
01:06 AM XXCoder: g54 chanhed
01:06 AM laminae_: x.x
01:06 AM laminae_: Has to be my config then
01:06 AM XXCoder: XYZ now "at home"
01:06 AM XXCoder: g54 is at machine coord of -7, -22, -2 approx
01:07 AM laminae_: Still have that g92 (tl0) active?
01:07 AM XXCoder: DTG all zeros, XYZ g92 all zeros, TLO zeros except for Z which is 1.2 (t3 length)
01:07 AM XXCoder: umm how do I cancel tool length? g54?
01:07 AM XXCoder: er g43
01:08 AM XXCoder: g54 h0 works though im pretty sure its not correct
01:09 AM XXCoder: running machine. g54 stays same
01:09 AM XXCoder: XYZ is changing as it runs
01:09 AM XXCoder: DTG is clearly distance to go
01:11 AM XXCoder: g28x0y0z0 sets properly
01:11 AM laminae_: Looking through my hal file
01:12 AM laminae_: WOndering if something is wonky
01:12 AM XXCoder: dunno.. what happens anyway when you first start and home
01:14 AM XXCoder: i really need to work on vismach
01:15 AM XXCoder: so I have actual fake machine to watch run lol
01:32 AM laminae_: so, when i zero out, my g54 values on the dro change
01:32 AM laminae_: when i hit home, i zero out the top column
01:32 AM laminae_: Which matches you
01:33 AM laminae_: I'm reading through the wiki and unless i am missing something significant, things are right as rain
01:33 AM laminae_: So why i can't probe after my first job is a mystery still
01:33 AM laminae_: brbm, gonna try one more idea
01:33 AM XXCoder: so first time you probe it sets g54?
01:35 AM XXCoder: hey gloops SAW YOUR VIDEO
01:35 AM XXCoder: not sure what its about, you ground a edge
01:35 AM XXCoder: ?
01:35 AM gloops: lol, oh yeah, planer blades
01:35 AM XXCoder: ahh removing nicks and such, resharp
01:36 AM gloops: obviously a makeshift jig heh
01:36 AM XXCoder: I guess its set at cutting angle
01:36 AM gloops: id ground it previously and managed to get a bow in it
01:37 AM gloops: yeah a slit at an angle in a piece of wood - the dodgy looking screws were only to stop it lifting it was really firm in the slit anyway
01:37 AM XXCoder: doh
01:37 AM gloops: it worked anyway, the blades are flat now
01:39 AM gloops: im going to try grinding a cutter shaft to a lower diameter later (not with that grinder lol)
01:39 AM XXCoder: so you got a grinder nice. can it do precision?
01:40 AM gloops: the grinder in the video isnt what id call precision lol, it has some uses though
01:40 AM gloops: ill use a small toolpost grinder for the cutter shaft
01:41 AM XXCoder: cool :)
01:41 AM gloops: already got the cutter clocked in in the lathe - providing i can take the material off without moving it, it should work
01:41 AM gloops: only gripping about 15mm
01:47 AM XXCoder: heh I dont know why I lik that channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UE3OuRzY1Y
01:47 AM XXCoder: I dont do restorations, nor did I really have any toy cars when young
01:50 AM gloops: still find those when digging in the garden - previous kids would have been playing in the garden with thhem
01:51 AM XXCoder: maybe you should sub to that channel, restore em all lol
01:51 AM XXCoder: he also does some cool customizations
01:52 AM gloops: ive looked at them with a mind to restoring but never bothered, think some of them are worth quite a bit in good condition
01:52 AM gloops: probably as new still in original box
01:54 AM XXCoder: that one result is pretty good
01:55 AM XXCoder: one of customize https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCw7qRK0Z2s
01:55 AM XXCoder: from fairly ugly to pretty cool
01:57 AM gloops: there are hobbies out there id never dreamt of lol
01:59 AM XXCoder: There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Hamlet
01:59 AM gloops: impressive knowledge of Hamlet
02:00 AM XXCoder: I know quote existed but couldnt recall exact quote, so googled
02:00 AM gloops: that is from the grave scene
02:00 AM XXCoder: its been so long since I last read em. decades really
02:00 AM gloops: i think...
02:02 AM XXCoder: did you see how he weatherized the car?
02:02 AM XXCoder: interesting
02:03 AM gloops: i had one eye on it, similar techniques they use for a few other crafts
02:12 AM laminae_: Seems lik ei got it and unsurprisingly, i am the dum dum
02:12 AM laminae_: I set the config on my z axis incorrectly, split the difference of the 16"travel
02:12 AM laminae_: 8 positive and 8 negative
02:12 AM laminae_: Once i zeroed it hit the negetive limit extent on the g54
02:13 AM laminae_: Doesn't explain some of my issue bnut should at least make it easier to identify what else i am doing incorrectly
02:21 AM XXCoder: ineed
02:21 AM XXCoder: turns complex issue into simpler issue
02:23 AM gloops: 16 inch z?
02:23 AM gloops: this is a mill right? not a router
02:44 AM laminae_: Heh, still a router, just wonky
02:44 AM laminae_: fell into some parker inear actuators
02:44 AM laminae_: linear*
02:51 AM gloops: that is a very high lift for a gantry you know
02:53 AM gloops: i was going for 300mm 1ft with mine but settled on 8 inch, some severe leverage in play for simple beams and linear bearings there
02:56 AM gloops: Ichs always said - over 6 inch z, forget ally
02:57 AM laminae_: I chew through 3/4in pretty easily
02:58 AM laminae_: I will likely end up swapping it in the end but for the moment it's doing pretty well
02:58 AM laminae_: Need to get an updated pick but this gives an idea
02:58 AM laminae_: https://imgur.com/nbwYUN7
02:59 AM laminae_: Per spec sheet, that things is rated with a few um of accuracy up to 100kg load
02:59 AM laminae_: My frame wis going to die long before that
03:01 AM Blumax: Helllo
03:02 AM gloops: ahh so not 16inch travel below gantry
03:02 AM gloops: hi Blumax
03:02 AM Blumax: With Python is it possible to write in the "MDI command" text box of the MDI tab? Without sending the order! Just write in the box?
03:07 AM Deejay: moin
04:56 AM jthornton: morning
04:57 AM XXCoder: yo
04:59 AM jthornton: looks like somehow I smoked the inputs to my RPi yesterday dunno how
05:02 AM XXCoder: so that caused a short that was goving you that weird hot cpu?
05:03 AM jthornton: I have no idea what it did except it made it really hot lol
05:04 AM jthornton: Failed user gpios: 23 24 25 26 27
05:04 AM jthornton: I used 22, 23, 24, 26 and 27 as inputs...
05:04 AM XXCoder: what was source of inputs anyway
05:06 AM jthornton: simple switches
05:06 AM XXCoder: im sure those was wired to voltage inputs need
05:06 AM XXCoder: and amps whatever
05:08 AM jthornton: voltage comes right off the RPi
05:09 AM XXCoder: so odd. wonder where overcurrent come from if that is what haoppened
05:12 AM rmu: jthornton: did you use 5V?
05:12 AM jthornton: let me look
05:14 AM jthornton: yea the inputs are on 5v, the i2c devices are all 3.3v
05:15 AM Tom_L: maybe add resistors to them
05:15 AM jthornton: I'd assume I wired the chicken coop the same way and it's been running for almost a year
05:15 AM jthornton: they have internal resistors
05:16 AM Tom_L: yeah, i've never trusted those
05:16 AM jthornton: really why?
05:16 AM Tom_L: just me i guess
05:18 AM Tom_L: i'm not talking about a pullup in this case, rather in series
05:18 AM jthornton: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/usage/gpio/
05:19 AM jthornton: I think I see the problem... GPIO pin designated as an input pin can be read as high (3V3) or low (0V)
05:19 AM jthornton: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/usage/gpio/
05:20 AM Tom_L: the resistor would help that i believe
05:20 AM Tom_L: instead of having to use a level converter
05:20 AM jthornton: I should have used the 3.3v power pin for my imputs I see
05:20 AM rmu: jthornton: AFAIK the raspberry pi GPIOs are not 5V tolerant
05:20 AM jthornton: yea, I just read that on the raspberrypi.org page
05:21 AM rmu: and add a resistor in series, 100k or so, just in case something tries to force current into the pin
05:21 AM jthornton: oh well live and learn, more pie on the way lol
05:21 AM Tom_L: or even 10k
05:21 AM Tom_L: how much current can each pin take?
05:21 AM Tom_L: all you need is enough to make a high or low on the pin
05:22 AM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M27459S
05:22 AM Tom_L: that's why i asked about the 3.3v yesterday
05:22 AM jthornton: I have that as my terminal block
05:22 AM jthornton: I must have missed that yesterday
05:23 AM Tom_L: i'm used to dealing with 5v avr stuff but when you get into 3.3 or lower you gotta buffer it somehow
05:24 AM jthornton: crap the RPi's I ordered don't come with the heat sinks... I wonder if I can peel them off the dead one
05:25 AM Tom_L: probably but do you have a way to glue it back on?
05:25 AM Tom_L: if it's epoxied on you could pull the chip with it :)
05:25 AM jthornton: no, they are peel and stick
05:26 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/logger/Datalogger32_mmc_sch.png
05:26 AM Tom_L: i used voltage dividers on the 3.3 stuff there
05:27 AM MarcelineVQ: hey dang that's a neat terminal shield
05:27 AM Tom_L: around PB7ish
05:28 AM rmu: usually current limitation should be sufficient, internal body diodes clamp voltage
05:28 AM jthornton: MarcelineVQ: yea I really like those terminal boards
05:33 AM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/Easycargo-Raspberry-Heatsink-Aluminum-conductive/dp/B07H1718SQ
05:33 AM jthornton: I think I'll get them
05:40 AM Tom_L: huh, gettin a bit of rain this morning
05:41 AM miss0r: its been 'dust rining' all day. you know - where the droplets are so tiny
05:41 AM Tom_L: 46°F Hi 64
05:41 AM * miss0r is about to remove a metric boatload of fuzzy HDPE chips from the mill
05:42 AM miss0r: Damn static!
05:42 AM MarcelineVQ: Now's your chance, stuff pillows with them and sell them on etsy to hipsters for 400$
05:42 AM jthornton: we are 41°F to 61°F with 100% chance of rain
05:43 AM miss0r: MarcelineVQ: nice!
05:45 AM jthornton: is a 40 pin ribbon cable a common pc cable?
05:46 AM MarcelineVQ: yes ide cables come in 34 and 40 pin
05:46 AM MarcelineVQ: looks like 34 was for floppy, so 40 is the more common
05:47 AM miss0r: for CD drives and harddrives.
05:47 AM miss0r: some also came in 44pin, but those are more proprietary
05:47 AM miss0r: or used in laptops :)
05:50 AM miss0r: ergh! long needle chips from some hardmilling I did is hiding in the HDPE chips !
05:50 AM jthornton: ah ok hard drive cables are 40 pin I must have a million of them laying around
05:51 AM jthornton: I had a 9 gram egg the other day someone laid from the roost lol
05:51 AM jthornton: tiny little bugger
05:54 AM MarcelineVQ: miss0r: put on your liquid metal exoskeleton :O
06:02 AM XXCoder: you can turn any N pin cable to < N pin cable
06:02 AM MarcelineVQ: you madman!
06:05 AM miss0r: :D
06:06 AM miss0r: 1980's tool room cnc machines have one major disadvantage over moderm machine; they are damn near impossible to remove chips from!
06:07 AM miss0r: Its like they forgot that was what the machine was build for: making chips. Those chips have to go somewhere..
06:07 AM XXCoder: miss0r: I work on couple machines like that. lots of fun
06:07 AM MarcelineVQ: shucks buster, why would you want to remove chips? They add weight that helps dampen vibration
06:07 AM miss0r: XXCoder: Its a real pai
06:07 AM russian_troll: selroc: Today's Log http://www.isaeff.net/logs/%23linuxcnc/2018-11-05.html
06:07 AM XXCoder: MarcelineVQ: sure they build up to sigiarity no problems with weight and stability past that
06:07 AM miss0r: MarcelineVQ: With enough chips this machine WILL cripple itself
06:08 AM XXCoder: miss0r: let me tell ya, shoveling chips out machine is a pain
06:08 AM miss0r: XXCoder: I can live with the shoveling part.. That implying you can fit *something* inthere to get it out
06:09 AM XXCoder: lol
06:09 AM XXCoder: how about vacuum?
06:09 AM miss0r: What I am doing
06:09 AM gregcnc: chips stand no chance https://goo.gl/4ZcHVW
06:09 AM miss0r: but those damn HDPE chips have a nasty tendency to wedge into place.
06:09 AM XXCoder: hows hdpe on milling?
06:09 AM XXCoder: any insane cooling reqirements like nylon?
06:09 AM miss0r: so I'm using a small screwdriver & a vacuum. I can only use compressed air so many places
06:10 AM miss0r: XXCoder: not on milling operations; you just need to have a realy sharp cutter & run with a moderately high feed
06:10 AM miss0r: but drilling operations are another matter...
06:10 AM XXCoder: interesting
06:10 AM MarcelineVQ: trick is to blow liquid helium on the cutter as you cut so that the chip comes off brittle :>
06:11 AM MarcelineVQ: then you can vacuum no prob
06:11 AM miss0r: low RPM, high plunge rate & I use alcohol
06:11 AM XXCoder: helium, oddly enough, is way underpriced
06:11 AM miss0r: So; this morning when I got into the shop, it gave off that "stale party" smell :)
06:11 AM XXCoder: it should be at $250 per pound nowdays
06:11 AM gregcnc: when did helium prices drop?
06:12 AM MarcelineVQ: is it? that's odd, it's not like you can get get more by electrolosis
06:12 AM XXCoder: gregcnc: usa nuclear program, usa gather so much helium
06:12 AM XXCoder: but currently dumping em for decades
06:12 AM miss0r: dentists giving it up & production still at high volume? :)
06:12 AM XXCoder: thing is helium is "kinda" nonrenewable
06:12 AM gregcnc: a few years ago even baloon stores were complaingin it was high
06:13 AM XXCoder: only new helium sources is decay of some radioactive stuff, and sellar space
06:13 AM miss0r: perhaps someone found a 'cheap' way to suck it from the atmosphere?
06:13 AM sync: MarcelineVQ: you can suck more out of the earth from natural gas wells
06:14 AM XXCoder: it gors up into space then blown away by solar wind
06:14 AM SpeedEvil: miss0r: there really isn't any way of doing that. You rely on byproducts of the airgas industry
06:14 AM sync: more like a byproduct of the natural gas industry
06:14 AM sync: but yes
06:14 AM SpeedEvil: miss0r: So you're limited to whatever that industry uses, times your collection efficiency.
06:15 AM miss0r: Ha.. well :) I guess I'll cut down on my balloon float budget
06:15 AM SpeedEvil: (plus of course oil well extracts, yes)
06:15 AM XXCoder: we REALLY need space program.
06:15 AM miss0r: who are 'we' ?
06:15 AM sync: there is not much in the air, so they succ it out of the NG wells mostly
06:15 AM XXCoder: and really find a way to go to space without toy chemical rockets
06:15 AM XXCoder: miss0r: human.
06:16 AM miss0r: I thought 'we' were sending stuff out there all the time?
06:16 AM XXCoder: toys really. we need big programs
06:16 AM XXCoder: like space mining, colonization
06:16 AM miss0r: :]
06:16 AM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: most of the hypothetical schemes end up more expensive than natural gas and oxygen
06:17 AM XXCoder: those toys is doing good stuff and also science but we need to do more.
06:17 AM MarcelineVQ: all we gotta do is crash an asteroids into the earth that's mostly gold, economy solved
06:17 AM SpeedEvil: SpaceX is aiming at ~$3/kg launch costs.
06:17 AM miss0r: MarcelineVQ: I think that will have the oposite effect, realy ;)
06:17 AM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: maybe not. japanese recently found really really strong material. may be finally a suitable material for space bridge
06:17 AM MarcelineVQ: miss0r: what could go wrong?
06:17 AM miss0r: if goldprices drops below that of oatmeal, the economy would suffer somewhat
06:17 AM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: It is actually hard to get down to that figure even with a mature space elevator.
06:18 AM XXCoder: MarcelineVQ: ecomony based on gold wouldc crash, but FINALLY we have plenty of gold for awesome uses like soldering so on
06:18 AM miss0r: MarcelineVQ: The part about crashing an astroid into earth sounds quite harmless in itself
06:18 AM XXCoder: gold is best for those but...
06:19 AM MarcelineVQ: :>
06:19 AM miss0r: This happens more often than I'd like.. I need to get back to cleaning :D
06:20 AM gregcnc: we need an asteroid made of oil
06:21 AM gloops: maybe HG Wells already thought of the right idea
06:21 AM XXCoder: gregcnc: not really, generation of crude oil has been found
06:21 AM XXCoder: just need to expand it to bulk speed then... no more drilling.
06:21 AM XXCoder: no more fracking fracking also
06:21 AM jthornton: speaking of cleaning time to clean up the chicken poop
06:22 AM gloops: anti-gravity substance, a substance which not only is not affected by gravity, but also shields every beyond it from gravity
06:22 AM gloops: everything beyond it
06:22 AM gloops: so a plate of that laid on the ground, you stand it on - no gravity
06:22 AM gloops: all the way to space
06:22 AM XXCoder: gloops: sadly antigravity would require somehow anti-bending of spacetime itself as gravity is effect from bending of spacetime. so you need massive negative mass
06:22 AM MarcelineVQ: you're gonna piss off a lot of aliens
06:23 AM XXCoder: dont know if thats nearly remotely possible
06:23 AM MarcelineVQ: who are eventually hit by the end of that anti-gravity ray
06:23 AM MarcelineVQ: and get tossed off their planet
06:23 AM gloops: MarcelineVQ it would only be influential until the point of normal 0 gravity is reached - beyond the earths pull
06:24 AM MarcelineVQ: what the fuck is 0 gravity :>
06:24 AM gloops: XXCoder i dunno some further understanding of gravity may be found, graviton particles etc
06:24 AM gregcnc: wouldn't anti gravity plates throw earth off balance which side would be up? And what if you drop it and if fell "jelly" side down would you ever be able to pick it up agian?
06:24 AM XXCoder: gloops: we do understand some of it now
06:25 AM gloops: gregcnc yes, in his novel HG Wells character steers his craft by the use of anti-gravity blinds, lowered and raised
06:25 AM XXCoder: as it looks like mass is caused by higgs. you cant have less than zero higg particles
06:25 AM gloops: so allowing say the moon to pull us this way, then the earth to pull us back etc
06:26 AM XXCoder: however if we find a way to remove higgs, could reach zero or extremely low mass for large stuff. which would be awesome. but not antigravity
06:26 AM gregcnc: the moon is falling away from earth
06:27 AM gloops: well the future might be about manipulating existing forces and energy, rather than making engines, put it that way
06:27 AM gregcnc: tha'ts what we do now
06:27 AM gloops: a beam of light could pull you to the stars, no rocket required
06:27 AM XXCoder: gregcnc: inches a year if I recall right lol
06:28 AM gregcnc: eventually there will be no total solar eclipse
06:28 AM gregcnc: but maybe by then, we will have invaded mars
06:29 AM XXCoder: 1.6 inch a year
06:30 AM MarcelineVQ: gregcnc: and when we get there we'll activat the reactor that melts the polar caps there and brings atmosphere back to mars, and then deep inside of it we find legions of machines ready for our use, and each one seems to have a mysterious spirit within it, at the center of all of these machines is the greatest one of all yet it will not stir from its slumber. it waits. waits for the empire of man to grow fat, and flavorful
06:31 AM XXCoder: MarcelineVQ: problem is massive atomsphere loss due to lack of magnet field
06:31 AM XXCoder: theres couple ideas to do that
06:31 AM XXCoder: like one co-orbiting disk that redirects solar wind away from mars. that one is actually doable with current tech, just expensive
06:32 AM MarcelineVQ: XXCoder: injet that girl with some good old fashioned radioactive heavy metals, get that core melty and mobile again, you'l gety your magnetic field
06:32 AM XXCoder: not as doable with current tech
06:32 AM XXCoder: know what would be better?
06:32 AM XXCoder: venus. just remove most of atomshere
06:32 AM MarcelineVQ: becoming gods before even leaving earth?
06:32 AM XXCoder: its baically earth twins
06:33 AM XXCoder: mars is midget to earth and venus basically
06:33 AM XXCoder: mecury is also livable just tough to get there and setup and you have extreme difference between hot and cold sides
06:33 AM gloops: working on the naive assumption that we will want to transport our bodies - which will no longer exist
06:33 AM XXCoder: theres ring area where you can live
06:33 AM MarcelineVQ: Sure, but mars piques the romantic heart XXCoder, that we can gaze upon its skin and admire her valleys
06:35 AM XXCoder: red, like god of war killed everything and bled out lol
06:35 AM gloops: once your mind is digitised you can be transmitted anywhere at c
06:35 AM MarcelineVQ: venus is a mystery, but not an especially beautiful one, like europa
06:35 AM XXCoder: mars is easiest way to colonize for it
06:35 AM XXCoder: *niw
06:35 AM XXCoder: *now
06:35 AM MarcelineVQ: Limiting yourself to current tech is silly when you're in the realm of imagination anyway, we're not exactly problem solving here.
06:35 AM gloops: first sending instructions for the aliens to build a computer for your mind to inhabit
06:35 AM MarcelineVQ: gloops: you're going to trust alien china to manufacture your mind-cage?
06:35 AM gloops: yeah why not, ill have several back-up copies here
06:35 AM jthornton: the big question once your mind is digitized is will I dream?
06:35 AM gloops: and why only go to one place, and can be everywhere at once
06:36 AM XXCoder: gloops: you cant imange how complex human mind is
06:36 AM gloops: isnt this dreaming?
06:37 AM gloops: XXCoder so complex maybe it can make another..mind
06:37 AM XXCoder: i dont know if true MI is possible
06:37 AM XXCoder: but scan human or any species mind and run it sure ... evenually
06:38 AM gloops: todays computers are like the stone axe
06:39 AM MarcelineVQ: XXCoder: MI?
06:39 AM gregcnc: i don't think leaving the planet is part of the simulation
06:39 AM gloops: all we need are suitable alien brains to occupy
06:39 AM XXCoder: machine intellegence. as opposited to AI which is artifical intellegence which is simulation of intellect
06:40 AM MarcelineVQ: AGI?
06:40 AM XXCoder: like human brain is not simulation of intellegance. it IS intellent and self-aware
06:40 AM MarcelineVQ: Is it though.
06:41 AM MarcelineVQ: To go further with that branch though we'd need to define intelligence
06:41 AM XXCoder: sure unless youre not self-aware?
06:41 AM XXCoder: now that is diffult. that is why my differation between ai and mi is quite astract
06:41 AM gloops: difficult to observe, as you can seemingly only observe your own consciousness
06:41 AM gloops: i dont know if you are self aware
06:42 AM gloops: i think i am
06:42 AM XXCoder: therefore I am
06:42 AM gloops: you might be a figment of my imagination
06:42 AM XXCoder: ;)
06:42 AM gloops: cogito ergo sum
06:42 AM MarcelineVQ: There's plenty of evidence in cognitive science that conciousness is illusory, a result of a brain that can reflect on the decisions its made but perceives this as making the decisions.
06:42 AM XXCoder: I dont really go into unprovable or disproofable argument
06:43 AM gloops: there is some evidence that neutrons fire AFTER the the person is aware of the thought
06:44 AM XXCoder: I recall reading that but im not sure about source
06:45 AM gloops: there were some studies showing that, doesnt seem to have got any traction in the scientific world though
06:45 AM XXCoder: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mind-aglow-scientists-watch-thoughts-form-in-the-brain/
06:45 AM MarcelineVQ: Certainly it's understood that we constantly remake memories as we rembeer them, such that every remembering changes the memory in a slight or major ways. This is why people may adamantly believe in past lives and recovered memories, or that memories seem more vivid with age, becuse they are, you're enriching them each rememberance
06:45 AM XXCoder: MarcelineVQ: yep! we modify it as we recall events
06:45 AM XXCoder: which kind of sucks
06:46 AM XXCoder: I bet you that module for abosute recall would be popular
06:46 AM XXCoder: once it exists anyway
06:46 AM MarcelineVQ: Yes
06:46 AM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: or not.
06:46 AM XXCoder: I would buy it for sure
06:46 AM MarcelineVQ: It would be useful as a proof of innocence even if you don't use it actively yourself
06:46 AM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: remembering life without the gloss of being able to misremember events to your benefit might be not so pleasant.
06:47 AM gregcnc: a very few have that ability now
06:47 AM MarcelineVQ: I mean look at todays climate where accusations are enough to destroy a person's livelyhood. perfect recall devices would be nice.
06:47 AM gregcnc: would it stop people from lying?
06:47 AM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: reality is painful. deal with it :)
06:48 AM XXCoder: MarcelineVQ: if thats about that judge I still dont get why he refuses fbi checkup
06:48 AM MarcelineVQ: gregcnc: It wouldn't silence the court of opinion you're right about that, but it could let a person get back to their life sooner as far as actual legalities go
06:48 AM gloops: well, neurons stretch all over the body, more frequent use strengthens them, like if you dont ever use 1 leg it will have weaker nerves than the other one
06:48 AM gloops: similar with memories
06:49 AM MarcelineVQ: You know, I really like that there's such varied points of view in this channel.
06:50 AM SpeedEvil: Stronger does not mean more accurate.
06:51 AM XXCoder: yep
06:51 AM gloops: traumatic event, constantly re-visited becames very strong memory, almost indistinguishable from reality, re-living it over and over, like when i built my router
06:53 AM jthornton: router from hell
06:53 AM XXCoder: wow getting late gonna go
06:54 AM XXCoder: be back in a bit for short tme
06:54 AM MarcelineVQ: so late it's getting early here :X
06:55 AM gloops: its late here in terms of what i should have done by now, and what i have actually done
06:55 AM MarcelineVQ: irc is the endless coffee-break
06:56 AM * jthornton has to hit the road in a bit for a boring 8 hour ride
06:57 AM MarcelineVQ: are you at least ending up somewhere unboring?
07:12 AM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: honestly I rather REMEMBER than pretend to.
07:12 AM XXCoder: jthornton: hopefully has driving partner?
08:16 AM gloops: cutter shaft ground down fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeicWgTGCLU&feature=youtu.be
08:16 AM gloops: obviously will be cleaning the lathe up later lol
08:19 AM MarcelineVQ: got a shirt or towel over the ways?
08:19 AM gloops: nope
08:20 AM MarcelineVQ: seems to be pretty common, guessing it goes a long way cleanup-wise
08:23 AM gloops: probably ought to, this lathe probably doesnt care anymore though
08:30 AM gloops: now that i know this works ive got a few cutters to reduce, smaller shaft doesnt matter within reason, most are designed for hand or bench router with some force applied, in cnc theyre usually inserted so the shank is right in anyway, unlikely to break
08:31 AM gloops: fun over for today though, van to empty now
11:36 AM gloops: https://www.banidea.com/the-art-of-joint-wood/the-art-of-joint-wood-3/
11:36 AM gloops: not doable on 3 axis
11:43 AM Loetmichel: gloops_ oh, on the cotnrary. it is doable on 3 axis... just needs quite a few mountings
11:44 AM Loetmichel: contrary
11:51 AM gloops: well yes you would need some ability to tilt the job
12:00 PM {HD}: Alright time to link vfd to lcnc! Got the power run to the new location and have most of the connections made.
12:07 PM gloops: proceed with caution
12:07 PM gloops: also DO NOT power off to the vfd while the spindle is still turning
12:10 PM {HD}: gloops: I have had it setup previously but I had HDD failure and had to rebuild lcnc configs from scratch.
12:10 PM gloops: ahh ok
12:11 PM {HD}: I took the opportunity when that happened to move this small machine to the closet to maje room for the big machine I am building.
12:17 PM gloops: i took some photos of the wiring when i moved mine, took a while to sort out first time lol
12:19 PM gloops: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/82331499471480413/ wonder if those cutters work
12:38 PM fragalot: 'sup
12:39 PM fragalot: miss0r: just picked up the new welder. good god that machine is so nice to run.
12:51 PM gloops: setting up on your own fragalot?
12:59 PM fragalot: gloops: nope, just letting the hobby grow out of control
12:59 PM gloops: ahh, you seem to be amassing some serious workshop tools thats all
01:00 PM fragalot: :-)
01:17 PM roycroft: what kind of welder did you get?
01:18 PM FinboySlick: "Grinder and paint make me the welder I ain't."
01:19 PM fragalot: roycroft: https://www.ewm-sales.com/en/TIG_welding_machines/DC_TIG_welding_machines/Portable/Picotig_200_puls_TG--090-002058-00502.html with upgraded 260A torch & ground lead
01:19 PM roycroft: not to forget the bondo
01:19 PM fragalot: the difference with my old (read: 2007) ergus inverter is night & day
01:20 PM roycroft: nice
01:20 PM roycroft: i don't use my tig welder much, but it's a really sweet machine
01:20 PM roycroft: i got a water cooler for mine
01:21 PM fragalot: I don't run long enough beads hot enough for an oversized torch to get uncomfortable
01:21 PM roycroft: i have to do a bunch of welding on 8mm plate/flat bar soon, and my little mig welder isn't really up to it
01:22 PM roycroft: so i'll be checking out the smaw feature of my tig welder soon
01:22 PM gloops: in theory you can weld anything with 100 amp welder
01:23 PM gloops: customer might think its a bit shit to have 10 runs on though lol
01:23 PM fragalot: gloops: I disagree a little :P
01:23 PM roycroft: it's not just the amount you can fill at a time
01:23 PM fragalot: unless if you can turn it down
01:23 PM roycroft: if the welder is undersize you have to pre-heat the work (quite a bit)
01:23 PM fragalot: but if you also can't turn it up, you'll have to stop a lot on thick stainless
01:23 PM fragalot: and copper is even harder
01:23 PM gloops: you can get the depth by grinding out, fill in with weld
01:23 PM roycroft: you won't get good penetration otherwise
01:23 PM fragalot: roycroft: yeah, but at too low amps & low feed speed you will put a LOT of heat into the part
01:24 PM fragalot: and potentially burn up the stainless
01:24 PM roycroft: i can't imagine welding stainless with any process other than gtaw anyway
01:24 PM roycroft: and my gtaw welder is 250a
01:24 PM fragalot: so you'd have to weld it in loads of short spurts of like 20mm before letting it cool down
01:24 PM roycroft: i've seen what folks do with stainless steel and gmaw
01:25 PM roycroft: and it makes me want to throw up
01:25 PM fragalot: lol
01:25 PM fragalot: so this new welder has a pretty nice pulse feature
01:25 PM fragalot: that goes up to 2kHz
01:26 PM fragalot: which is *LOUD*
01:26 PM fragalot: great way to scare off the neighbourhood cats I think
01:28 PM sync: gmaw is actually fine for stainless
01:28 PM fragalot: sync: depends on who's doing it :P
01:28 PM sync: you need to treat the weld afterwards but you need to do it with tig most of the times too
01:30 PM * fragalot is watching a training film for US soldiers on how to behave in britain in 1943
01:30 PM fragalot: and it's brilliant
01:30 PM fragalot: I cannae understand a word they're saying
01:31 PM gloops: i dont think they saw it
01:33 PM SpeedEvil: I recommend 'reefer madness' also
01:33 PM roycroft: sync: perhaps it is, but i've never seen any stainless welding job that used gmaw that doesn't look like someone glued a bunch of gravel on the part and painted it silver
01:36 PM roycroft: i've never tried, myself
01:36 PM roycroft: when i needed to weld on stainless steel i bought a gtaw welder
01:36 PM nallar is now known as Ross
01:37 PM fragalot: you'll never get a cosmetic weld from GMAW on stainless as far as I know
01:37 PM fragalot: but they're structurally fine
01:38 PM roycroft: about 100% of my stainless welding needs to be sanitary
01:38 PM fragalot: TIG is the only way to go then
01:38 PM roycroft: which is why, after buying a nice gtaw welder, i farmed out the welding for a while
01:38 PM roycroft: and then i got a friend who is a very good welder to come to my shop and do some work with my machine
01:38 PM roycroft: i'm definitely not good enough to do sanitary welding
01:39 PM roycroft: although i must say that my attempts at gtaw welding on stainless came out better looking than any gmaw stainless welding that i've ever seen
01:40 PM fragalot: I have 2 personal settings
01:40 PM fragalot: instragram worthy but structurally probably not sound
01:40 PM fragalot: and structurally sound, but not instagram worthy
01:40 PM fragalot: :P
01:40 PM roycroft: one thing i did to help with the welds is put a splitter on my argon outlet
01:40 PM roycroft: one line goes to the torch
01:41 PM roycroft: the other goes to a back gas fixture that i built for the type of weld i'm doing
01:41 PM roycroft: gtaw goes through a *lot* of gas
01:42 PM roycroft: and i really do try to localize the back gas area
01:42 PM fragalot: yeah, most "I know what I am doing!" welders i've worked alongside never bother with that,.. mainly because they never get to see the damage as someone else has to fix it
01:42 PM roycroft: but it still goes through a lot of gas
01:42 PM diverdude: fragalot: hi - thanks for your help yesterday. I tried to expand your code to run on 2 motors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QqkmZSMHm4/ its running ok to limit switch on both axes, but for some reason its not running back away from either. Do you have any idea why?
01:42 PM fragalot: roycroft: solarflux is apparently something that can be used as an alternative when you don't mind it potentially flaking later
01:43 PM roycroft: i don't need sanitary welding often
01:43 PM roycroft: i'm content to just farm it out or have my friend come over when i do need it
01:43 PM roycroft: and the gtaw is so nice for so many other things
01:44 PM fragalot: diverdude: did it work before?
01:44 PM diverdude: fragalot: yeah it works when i run it on a single motor
01:44 PM diverdude: fragalot: ie when i ran your code it works
01:46 PM fragalot: diverdude: have you looked at that switch bounce?
01:47 PM diverdude: fragalot: i have yes - but would that be able to explain why the code works on one motor but not on 2 ?
01:47 PM fragalot: I'm just wondering if that's not accidentally allowing it to pass straight from home_switched to done when it's only gone through the loop once
01:48 PM fragalot: well now you have the state machine running directly in a while loop, where-as before it was in the main loop.. it's possible that the main loop is slower. (no idea)
01:48 PM fragalot: you could add a state to just pause for a while
01:48 PM diverdude: fragalot: yeah...when would i switch to that state?
01:52 PM fragalot: diverdude: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f7srKQw3wb/
01:52 PM fragalot: i've only done it for X
01:52 PM fragalot: and as usual, not tested it :)
01:53 PM fragalot: so it's likely that it will fail
01:54 PM fragalot: in fact, it will
01:55 PM diverdude: oh, why?
01:55 PM fragalot: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TjCdXbHKcp/ <== that might be better
01:55 PM fragalot: line 60
01:55 PM fragalot: before, if the home_pause state was reached when the controller was already running for more than 100ms, it would instantly say the time has passed
01:56 PM fragalot: so now it checks if the time isn't still at 0, so it skips it the first go around
01:58 PM diverdude: i will try it
02:00 PM fragalot: note also that stepperY is commented out. is that intentional?
02:00 PM diverdude: fragalot: yeah....i intentionally did that to just work on one stepper now.....it behaves the same when its commented in
02:01 PM diverdude: fragalot: the fix did not make any difference :/ So strange
02:02 PM diverdude: fragalot: if it works with 1 motor it should also work with 2 i would think
02:02 PM fragalot: maybe your while loop is messing with it?
02:03 PM fragalot: change that to a while(1) to take it out of the equation all together
02:03 PM fragalot: also... stepperY.setMaxSpeed is missing in your setup
02:03 PM fragalot: so the Y will be slooooooooooooooow :P
02:05 PM diverdude: fragalot: uhhh ok i tried to run your original code....now it behaves the same way....i just tested it an hour ago or so where it was working great
02:05 PM diverdude: hmmm
02:09 PM fragalot: well, SOMETHING must have changed :-)
02:11 PM diverdude: i dont get it
02:11 PM diverdude: fragalot: where are you from btw?
02:12 PM fragalot: belgium
02:12 PM diverdude: fragalot: are you working with CNC machines in your dayjob?
02:13 PM fragalot: nope
02:17 PM diverdude: fragalot: w000t. when i added Serial.begin in the setup() it worked
02:17 PM fragalot: xD
02:18 PM diverdude: so now i need to figure out why the 2-motor example does not work
02:18 PM diverdude: *again*
02:18 PM fragalot: try adding and/or changing one thing at a time, rather than the whole lot
02:19 PM diverdude: fragalot: so you mean home one axis at the time=
02:19 PM diverdude: ?
02:19 PM fragalot: no
02:19 PM fragalot: take the working code, using only one axis
02:19 PM fragalot: and call it in the same way you do in the non-working version via that homeIt function
02:20 PM fragalot: if that still works, you know that part checks out
02:20 PM fragalot: if not, you know that's caused the problem
02:21 PM diverdude: true
02:21 PM diverdude: good strategy
02:21 PM fragalot: it's the only strategy that works, regardless of how complicated the system is :D
02:23 PM gloops: you have got like switch a and switch b
02:24 PM gloops: in fact, im going to watch the telly
02:24 PM fragalot: lol good choice
02:24 PM {HD}: Anyone have a huanyang hooked up to their lcnc? Does thing really run upto 24k rpm!? How do I change the “spindle at speed” panel to match the rpm of the vfd?
02:31 PM diverdude: fragalot: ok...still works in the homeit function......now ill just add code until it fails
02:31 PM fragalot: yup :-)
02:32 PM diverdude: AHA
02:33 PM diverdude: as soon as i moved the enum declaration into the homeit func it fails
02:33 PM fragalot: :)
02:33 PM fragalot: don't do that then :D
02:35 PM diverdude: that was it
02:35 PM diverdude: it works now
02:35 PM diverdude: ok thats really weird
02:35 PM diverdude: why on earth would that make it crash like that
02:42 PM fragalot: one of life's great mysteries
02:43 PM diverdude: it truly is
02:58 PM {HD}: I think I found the information I needed. Now to just implement it.
03:08 PM nallar is now known as Ross
03:32 PM jthornton: afternoon
03:38 PM XXCoder: another shooting. :( this time by self-called incel
03:38 PM XXCoder: yoga area
03:39 PM XXCoder: guy had rants where he said ladies in high school refused to have sex with him... and called them whores. okkkkay..
04:14 PM {HD}: Hal files still confuse me.
04:14 PM {HD}: I wish my lcnc box had internet
04:30 PM Deejay: gn8
04:30 PM gloops: we'll sort the spindle speed tommorrow HD
04:31 PM {HD}: 🤗
04:32 PM {HD}: I just need to make sense of the formatting. I see in hal monitor the fields I need to use.
04:34 PM gloops: you need to invert the spindle pin for one thing
04:40 PM gloops: have you got the spindle to turn yet <{HD}>
04:54 PM {HD}: gloops: yea. It moves and changes speed and reverses but.
04:54 PM gloops: so the scale isnt right
04:55 PM {HD}: I am trying to change the pyvcp interface to not look silly and make it display the rpm instead of whatever number corresponds with 3k.
04:56 PM gloops: i forgot that, i dunno if i have an old file, nothing on this computer anyway
04:57 PM gloops: this channel seems to have lost the keen 'helpers' it had with people at diy cnc level
04:57 PM {HD}: I am getting closer. I should reread the docs so I understand the whole pin thing better
05:11 PM JT-Shop: {HD}: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html
05:12 PM JT-Shop: that might make sense now for you
05:13 PM {HD}: I need to dload the online docs for my offline installation of lcnc
05:14 PM JT-Shop: they are already there...
05:14 PM gloops: im the same re that, machine PC is offline, i end up back and forth from one PC to another to read, go back change script etc
05:15 PM gloops: the docs are in the help on linuxcnc?
05:15 PM JT-Shop: yea that is a pia... makes one want to string a CAT5 cable across the lawn
05:16 PM {HD}: I don’t think the os docs are uptodate with the online docs...
05:16 PM JT-Shop: they should be up to date
05:16 PM {HD}: I just checked my wire. Lol! I have a what appears to be a few hundred feet of cat 6!
05:17 PM JT-Shop: everytime you get an update it includes the documents...
05:17 PM {HD}: I don’t get updates!
05:17 PM gloops: i tried setting up a wireless dongle - but of course thats a pain in debian and you need to be online to research it...thats as far as that got
05:17 PM JT-Shop: hmmm oh yea
05:18 PM JT-Shop: string that cat cable out there from time to time or bring the hard drive inside...
05:18 PM JT-Shop: debian does not make your life easy and there is no easy button like other os's
05:19 PM gloops: im reluctant to update anymore, took ages to get these configs right, im scared something will get changed lol, it runs, thatll do me
05:19 PM JT-Shop: I seem to remember some way to update via a USB stick or something like that
05:19 PM {HD}: I am installing a lawn hydrant maybe I will throw a gopher rated cable in the trench.
05:19 PM JT-Shop: if your using master is it a risk, 2.7 not much of a risk
05:20 PM gloops: yes im on 2.8
05:20 PM * JT-Shop wanders down to tuck the chickens in for the night
05:20 PM JT-Shop: yea 2.8 is subject to break at any time... you can do a git clone and make docs just to get the latest docs
05:21 PM gloops: i could do with a second drive for updating
05:22 PM gloops: anyway bedtime here
05:27 PM jthornton: good night
05:34 PM Tom_L: hmm
05:37 PM jthornton: Tom_L: do you remember anything about updating LinuxCNC from a USB drive?
05:38 PM Tom_L: can't say i ever did that
05:40 PM Tom_L: business or pleasure trip today?
05:40 PM jthornton: went to pick up a 15" planer and came home with a dust collector as well
05:41 PM Tom_L: ahh so all play today :)
05:42 PM jthornton: pia, long drive rained like hell all the way home and that thing is freaking heavy!
05:42 PM Tom_L: i thought you had a planer
05:43 PM jthornton: I have a jointer that my buddy gave me
05:43 PM Tom_L: ahh that's what the blades were for..
05:43 PM jthornton: got it working rather nice too, I was surprised as hell...
05:43 PM jthornton: yes they are 6" x 1/16" on the jointer
05:44 PM Tom_L: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/aplusautomation/vendorimages/cecddb70-4970-4abe-ad90-66fb2e83470b.jpg._CB280163401_.jpg
05:44 PM Tom_L: you have one of those?
05:45 PM Tom_L: i did a bunch of drawers once and picked one up way back then
05:45 PM jthornton: not a fancy one like that but I have one somewhere
05:46 PM jthornton: I'd rather do finger joints now that I have a decent table saw
05:46 PM Tom_L: yeah
05:46 PM Tom_L: do you ever dowel them?
05:47 PM jthornton: no, I used a biscuit cutter from time to time depending on the joint
05:47 PM jthornton: mostly for edge glued up stuff I use biscuits
05:50 PM jthornton: time to wander upstairs
05:55 PM Tom_L: later
06:23 PM {HD}: https://i.imgur.com/bLiOsI5.jpg wtf?
06:35 PM roycroft: biscuits are good for what they're good for
06:35 PM roycroft: but they're pretty weak
06:35 PM roycroft: one of the weakest forms of joinery
06:35 PM roycroft: i would never attach a drawer front to the sides with biscuits
06:36 PM roycroft: i use them all the time, but i know where they work well and where they don't
06:44 PM t0ner: {HD}: some systems give 110%
06:44 PM t0ner: yours is clearly superior
06:48 PM {HD}: Ha
06:52 PM {HD}: https://i.imgur.com/uWR3WYf.jpg
06:52 PM {HD}: How exactly do I install these additional 171 update?
06:53 PM laminae_: Well, just scooped this bad boy up for 400 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-404T15XEMS-Linear-Actuator-Fast-Shipping-Warranty/263891726897?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
06:54 PM laminae_: looks like my x axis is getting a makeover
07:28 PM ziper: I have no idea what size belts are suitable for my application
07:30 PM gregcnc: gates has good references
07:39 PM Tom_L: {HD} get an interweb connection and do the update
07:40 PM {HD}: I just hooked it to the interwebs. Thats how it knows...
07:40 PM Tom_L: apt-get update
07:41 PM Tom_L: or use the gui update manager
07:49 PM {HD}: That picture is the gui updated manager
07:50 PM {HD}: I click install updates with them all checked and it doesn’t do it
07:50 PM Tom_L: did you select a download site?
07:51 PM Tom_L: you could try another one
07:51 PM Tom_L: i had trouble with one so i used a mirror site
07:52 PM {HD}: Tom_L: your right! Some of the debian sites block VPNs. I forgot about that.
08:02 PM roycroft: why would debian block vpns?
08:02 PM roycroft: is it because they are vpns?
08:03 PM roycroft: or is it because they are not geographically close?
08:09 PM {HD}: Because its a VPN I guess. It is geography close so thats not it. Maybe they don’t outright block but have a use cap?
08:10 PM roycroft: that would likely be a function of the vpn provider, not debian, no?
08:11 PM ziper: shit
08:11 PM ziper: i broke my banggood order into two in an attempt to get free shipping
08:12 PM ziper: my credit card won't go through for the second one
08:21 PM ziper: after turning my phone on i see the bank messaged me, crisis averted
08:21 PM {HD}: roycroft: nope debian.org is the culprit.
08:29 PM roycroft: i wonder why they would do that
08:42 PM Tom_L: {HD} so you got the updates?
08:43 PM {HD}: Tom_L: yep
08:43 PM {HD}: All but 3
08:43 PM Tom_L: i think i wound up using texas uni
11:27 PM jesseg: hey guys, what's your favorite holding mechanism for dial indicators? I've tried the very frustrating kind, and been very frustrated. Also seen the kind that is like a large ball chain with a cable down the middle that tightens it into a stiff shape
11:27 PM jesseg: but I'm not too sure those are all that reliable
11:28 PM Wolf__: noga imo
11:28 PM jesseg: now I'm seeing gooseneck ones like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Adjustable-Magnetic-Base-Stand-Holder-Tool-for-Digital-Level-Dial-Test-Indicator/161332272378
11:29 PM jesseg: Wolf__, so like the goose neck is the best if its made by noga?
11:31 PM Wolf__: https://www.ebay.com/itm/262092147849 or https://www.ebay.com/itm/262092145136 type, I have the top adjust right now, plan to get a base adjust type next
11:32 PM Wolf__: they come in diffrent sizes as well...
11:38 PM Wolf__: (other words warning, I just linked the first ones that popped up on ebay)