#linuxcnc Logs
Nov 02 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:06 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:32 AM gloops: back to some dovetailing thinking, dovetails play strange tricks on the mind
02:50 AM miss0r: fak!
02:50 AM miss0r: I just falsefully replaced a tool in a former operation, and made my part 4mm too small all the way around ! ! ! ! ! !
02:50 AM miss0r: :@ !
02:53 AM miss0r: stupid stupid stupid! I hope I have enough leftover material to get this done
02:57 AM miss0r: I don't suppose I can intrest someone in a piece of modern art in the form of an expensive slap of HDPE?
02:57 AM miss0r: :)
02:58 AM Deejay: moin
02:58 AM miss0r: mornin'
02:59 AM miss0r: Deejay: Can I intrest you in a modern art paper weight made from HDPE?
03:01 AM Deejay: can you show some pics?
03:04 AM miss0r: Deejay: I fscked up a tool offset; https://imgur.com/a/iBQoHLA
03:04 AM miss0r: So, the part is 4mm too small in both directions.
03:05 AM Deejay: the good bayer stuff ;)
03:07 AM miss0r: 12mm thick too. Which makes it suck even more :)
03:08 AM Deejay: nice
03:10 AM miss0r: plus I've been at it since 4:30 this morning, because my idiot boss made a too optimistic deadline
03:10 AM Deejay: whoops ;)
03:11 AM Deejay: remembers me to Loet-michel ;)
03:11 AM miss0r: Indeed. Difference is; I'm selfemployed...
03:11 AM miss0r: But that does not exclude me from having an idiot boss
03:11 AM Deejay: so you are your boss? ;)
03:11 AM Deejay: ah k
03:11 AM gloops: what the coders need to do is write a voice script for linuxcnc
03:12 AM gloops: with instructions for the operator - who is bored and switched off or doing something else during machining
03:12 AM gloops: like 'now change the tool, no not the 10mm the 8mm idiot!'
03:13 AM Deejay: yeah, with alexa & siri support
03:13 AM Deejay: so google & apple know what you mill ;)
03:14 AM gloops: you get the whole sequence of operations right, the drawing, the cam, the job setup, then you do something stupid, one small mistake and its ruined, usually after about 2 hours cutting
03:15 AM miss0r: sounds like my breakefast
03:15 AM Deejay: lol
03:15 AM Deejay: gents, awaiting customer, have to prepare some stuff. laters!
03:54 AM gloops: whats the consensus on reducing cutter shaft diameter - worth a go or not?
04:05 AM gloops: think what ill do is turn a 15mm long tap on collar for the shaft, hold the collar in the lathe chuck, line the shaft in, then grind down with toolpost grinder - least resistance on shaft to move it
04:07 AM gloops: some messing about but some cutters are not available for er11, and i want this one
04:16 AM XXCoder: infinitely improbability drive
04:17 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIUIO1ImtJo
04:43 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/zixxlPD.png
04:43 AM XXCoder: looks great! worked?
04:44 AM pink_vampire: i'm working on the second one
04:44 AM gloops: excellent
04:45 AM pink_vampire: the one in the picture it the one i cut too short, but it is totally functional
04:45 AM Laminae_: Coolant system?
04:45 AM gloops: what holds it in place?
04:46 AM pink_vampire: so i think i will make the other one also short
04:46 AM XXCoder: voodoo
04:46 AM pink_vampire: just hose with hose clamps
04:47 AM Laminae_: Hey XXCoder, i'm thinkin an experiment you might like
04:47 AM XXCoder: whats it
04:47 AM gloops: ahh right so a piece of the wider hose clamped to each part
04:47 AM Laminae_: I see all these fogbust esque products and diy versions, haven't seen anyone 3d print an option
04:47 AM gloops: the brass isnt an insert
04:48 AM Laminae_: As long as a need valve can seal i think it will work fine
04:48 AM XXCoder: fogbust esque?
04:48 AM Laminae_: fogbuster*
04:49 AM pink_vampire: it is just a reducer from 1" barb to 3/8" barb
04:52 AM jthornton: morning
04:52 AM XXCoder: hey
05:12 AM Tom_L: morning
05:13 AM jthornton: dang nothing but rain here for the next week
05:15 AM Tom_L: 45�F Hi 58 mostly sunny
05:44 AM Blumax: Hello
05:46 AM Blumax: I am looking for a python command to retrieve the contents of a parameter contained in the var file.
05:47 AM Blumax: I want to recover the parameter 5070, indicates if the last G38 is correctly finished. You know how to do python?
05:47 AM jthornton: 2.7 or master?
05:51 AM Blumax: 2.8
06:00 AM jthornton: you could test probing to see if it is still in progress
06:00 AM jthornton: I don't see a way to get a parameter with the python interface
06:02 AM Blumax: I want to know if the probing is successful or not.
06:04 AM jthornton: I understand...
06:06 AM cpresser: not exactly what you want, but you could use hal to look at motion.probe-input. detect an edge, and latch that value
06:06 AM Blumax: Otherwise I can compare on the values of probed_position which must have changed. But it's a shame not to be able to recover the contents of 5070.
06:06 AM jthornton: yes, I thought there was a way but I'm not finding it
06:07 AM jthornton: it makes sense to be able to read probe success/fail somehow in the python interface
06:07 AM cpresser: you could use "M68 E0 <#5070>"
06:08 AM cpresser: directly after the G38, then read the value of motion.abalog-out-00
06:11 AM jthornton: I wonder if there is something similar to this http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/python-interface.html#_reading_ini_file_values_a_id_python_reading_ini_values_a for the parameters file
06:11 AM jthornton: of course you could use python to open and read the file...
06:12 AM cpresser: not sure if there is any guarantee on when linuxcnc does the write to the file. that seems rather hacky
06:12 AM jthornton: yea that is a real concern
06:13 AM jthornton: I assume Blumax is looking for a gui only solution???
06:13 AM cpresser: the M68 (or similar M-Codes) should do the trick for the given problem
06:18 AM Blumax: It is possible to change the value of a hal pin in the gcode (ocode) ?
06:19 AM Blumax: Because in this case I could put # 5070 in a hal pin and recover the value in the python.
06:20 AM cpresser: Blumax: yes, with M6x http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#mcode:m62-m65
06:22 AM cpresser: you also can use O-Code fo do something like "if #5070: output0=1; else output0=0" (pseudocode)
06:22 AM cpresser: but using analog-out for that will save the O-code and just output the var value
06:29 AM Blumax: M68 E0 Q20 not wgrite in motion.analog-in-00
06:29 AM Blumax: I just tested directly with the MDI and the hal meter
06:30 AM Blumax: sorry motion.analog-out-00 ! succes ^^
06:31 AM Blumax: Witch ocode M68 E0 Q#5070 not change motion.analog-out-00
06:41 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/gJjuGUi.png
06:41 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/wkUu70m.png
06:41 AM pink_vampire: Done!
06:42 AM jthornton: you make them on a manual lathe or cnc?
06:43 AM XXCoder: she dont own a cnc lathe so definitely manual
06:43 AM pink_vampire: manual
06:44 AM pink_vampire: on my emco lathe
06:45 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: ^
06:45 AM jthornton: very nice
06:45 AM pink_vampire: thanks <3
07:13 AM jthornton: on page 13 of http://www.digole.com/images/file/Tech_Data/Digole_Serial_Display_Adapter-Manual.pdf can anyone tell me where they get the color numbers?
07:14 AM jthornton: I'm trying to figure out what the basic colors are white = 0 and black = 255 as far as I can finger out
07:14 AM pink_vampire: the color is hex
07:15 AM pink_vampire: E0 = red
07:16 AM SpeedEvil: Page 37
07:16 AM SpeedEvil: RRRGGGBB
07:16 AM jthornton: ah I see that now, thanks
07:17 AM SpeedEvil: np
07:17 AM jthornton: now to find a chart of the basic colors
07:17 AM SpeedEvil: https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/
07:17 AM SpeedEvil: Lets you work out which colour 'gay' is.
07:17 AM pink_vampire: it is the same as html colors
07:18 AM SpeedEvil: pink_vampire: not for 8 bit values
07:18 AM SpeedEvil: (8 bit packed 256 colour mode)
07:19 AM pink_vampire: i mean just to get the hex value for the colors
07:22 AM jthornton: hmm all the charts I see have 3 values and my choice is 0-255
07:23 AM pink_vampire: you mean rr gg bb?
07:23 AM SpeedEvil: jthornton: Take the first three most significant bits of the red value, put in the three most significant bits of the colour.
07:23 AM SpeedEvil: repeat for green and blue - with three and two bits each to get the packed 8 bit value
07:23 AM SpeedEvil: (obviously approximate)
07:26 AM jthornton: ok, let me see if I can sort that out
07:36 AM jthornton: by golly I think I got it... thanks for the help
07:36 AM SpeedEvil: :)
08:07 AM pink_vampire: https://imgur.com/a/kmzBWs8
08:09 AM pink_vampire: the whole album of making those parts
09:07 AM phaxx: that's cool. I assume that's not going in a car with a hose size like that. what's it for?
09:47 AM jdh: spindle coolant?
10:36 AM {HD}: Yes
10:37 AM {HD}: pink_vampire: those turned out well much better then my nylon ones would have been!
11:12 AM pink_vampire: phaxx: 60K rpm spindle coolant
11:13 AM fragalot: hey
11:13 AM pink_vampire: {HD}: yeah, I love how they turn out
11:13 AM pink_vampire: hi fragalot
11:14 AM pink_vampire: fragalot: https://imgur.com/a/kmzBWs8
11:15 AM phaxx: nice.
11:15 AM fragalot: very nice, but 2 friendly pieces of advice: barbs should be sharp, not really deburred, and a radius is very nice to have at the base of the barb to make it much stronger
11:16 AM fragalot: I really like how you tapered it in properly :P
11:19 AM fragalot: miss0r: just bought an EWM picotig 200 puls TG to replace my swiss contimac
11:19 AM roycroft: the fillet is the more important thing
11:21 AM fragalot: its' fine if it is a static application
11:22 AM roycroft: it's on a radiator that i assume is going into a vehicle that moves and vibrates
11:22 AM syyl_: fragalot :O :O :Ø
11:22 AM sync: fragalot: the taper actually makes it worse
11:22 AM syyl_: ewm <3
11:22 AM fragalot: sync: that depends on what you want from the fitting
11:22 AM fragalot: syyl_: :D
11:22 AM sync: no, almost always it is worse, although it is lighter
11:22 AM fragalot: picking it up on monday, as they insist on making it fully ready-to-go with an hour of demo & education
11:22 AM sync: I've done extensive CFD on stuff like that
11:23 AM fragalot: sync: then why is it required on large CIP systems?
11:23 AM fragalot: aside from hygiene reasons
11:24 AM sync: I have no idea, flow wise it does not make sense
11:25 AM sync: I guess because you can get a dead pocket flow wise, but it will not increase your performance
11:25 AM fragalot: it may be more turbulent, but I wouldn't have expected a larger pressure drop
11:25 AM fragalot: then again - i've never done a CFD myself :-)
11:26 AM sync: there is a significant increase in pressure drop
11:26 AM fragalot: interesting
11:26 AM sync: as you get a highly turbulent zone right infront of the opening
11:26 AM fragalot: especially because almost all of the welding reductions are tapered
11:26 AM sync: that constricts the effective diameter
11:27 AM sync: well, most sanitary piping is not flow critical
11:27 AM fragalot: syyl_: could I interest you in a swiss made scratch start TIG from the 90's ? free of charge, pick-up only... comes with free swiss made auto-darkening helmet. :P
11:27 AM sync: it was extremely non obvious to me as well
11:28 AM syyl_: lol
11:28 AM syyl_: :D
11:28 AM roycroft: fragalot: the reason it is used in sanitary systems is exactly for sanitary reasons
11:28 AM fragalot: sync: yea :D
11:28 AM syyl_: thanks, i have a chinese dc puls tig with HF start
11:28 AM fragalot: syyl_: still though. this one has "made in switzerland" on it
11:28 AM fragalot: and you can get add-on units to do the HF Start part
11:28 AM roycroft: sharp transitions are bug traps
11:28 AM fragalot: :D
11:29 AM fragalot: you also have FULL control over the pre- and post gas flows... as it's a manual needle valve on the torch
11:29 AM syyl_: a half-ton transformer from messer has also "made in germany" on it, but i can resist to buy it for that :D
11:29 AM fragalot: lol
11:29 AM fragalot: this one is only like 10kg or so I think
11:29 AM roycroft: if using tapered transitions restricts flow too much for the application the solution is to use bigger plumbing components, not to eliminate the tapered transitions
11:30 AM fragalot: syyl_: oh btw, I went to check on that deckel and we're going to get it shipped to us in january
11:30 AM sync: fragalot: the reason I spent so much time on that was for motorsport applications
11:30 AM syyl_: cool
11:30 AM syyl_: !
11:30 AM sync: and it turns out, simpler is actually better
11:30 AM fragalot: syyl_: aye :) also comes with a lister cabinet filled to the brim with iso40 tool holders, as the shop is changing to HSK
11:31 AM fragalot: and, I got a nice rundown of the machine's history
11:31 AM fragalot: it's lived an incredibly easy life, a large portion of it in storage due to lawsuits
11:31 AM jelly is now known as khajiit
11:31 AM sync: haha, that sounds like our lathe
11:32 AM khajiit is now known as jelly
11:32 AM roycroft: i'm actually figuring out how to deal with that situation right now with a non-sanitary hose configuration
11:32 AM fragalot: roycroft: there are always larger diameters available. :P
11:32 AM roycroft: i have a dust extractor that comes with a tapered hose - it's 36mm in diameter at the extractor end and it tapers down to 27mm
11:32 AM roycroft: that's what i just said, fragalot
11:32 AM fragalot: thats why I repeated it
11:32 AM roycroft: the tapered hose is no big deal
11:32 AM roycroft: except i need it to be longer
11:32 AM roycroft: and i happen to have a second, identical tapered hose
11:33 AM roycroft: i got a coupler to join the two
11:33 AM fragalot: go so big that you've reduced the air speed to near zero and the hose becomes the collection bin
11:33 AM roycroft: thinking it would not be an issue, since i'll be extracting sawdust and small chips that are <27mm in size
11:33 AM sync: or you can get just some regular vacuum hose in the length you need
11:33 AM roycroft: but what i found is that at the transition, the 27mm end gets stuffed full of sawdust and small chips and the hose is clogged
11:34 AM sync: of y
11:34 AM sync: ehh
11:34 AM roycroft: the hose has carbon embedded in it so that it is conductive
11:34 AM fragalot: sync: is the tapered part a problem in both directions btw? (eg. small->large)
11:34 AM sync: or you just connect them together the other way
11:34 AM roycroft: the solution will be to get a 36mm diameter non-tapered hose
11:34 AM sync: obviously, which is why I said get vacuum hose
11:34 AM roycroft: that is a $150 solution
11:34 AM roycroft: most shop vac hoses are non-conductive
11:35 AM sync: fragalot: no, going bigger is ok
11:35 AM roycroft: the conductive ones are expensive
11:35 AM roycroft: this is a work in progress
11:35 AM roycroft: i did not expect that joining the two hoses would be the ultimate solution
11:35 AM fragalot: yeah i was surprised how expensive those things are
11:35 AM roycroft: my concern was more about restricted airflow than clogging
11:35 AM roycroft: since, as i said, i'm mostly extracting very fine sawdust
11:36 AM roycroft: what i did was build an overhead boom for the extractor
11:36 AM sync: the hoses are like 5€/m
11:36 AM sync: it is not too bad
11:36 AM fragalot: sync: please tell me where you get conductive hoses from at that price
11:36 AM fragalot: asking for a friend
11:36 AM roycroft: and my 3m hose was not long enough to go up the boom and have enough reach to be useful
11:37 AM roycroft: but the boom setup works brilliantly otherwise
11:37 AM roycroft: and i built a cart for the extractor + the boom arm for <$100
11:37 AM fragalot: I've got mine suspended from the ceiling in my shed
11:37 AM roycroft: vs. paying $500 for the "proper" festool boom
11:37 AM fragalot: which is both brilliant as it reaches everywhere, and very annoying because it's always in the way
11:38 AM roycroft: actually, the festool boom would have cost me way more than that
11:38 AM roycroft: because it does not fit my extractor - it only fits the larger models
11:38 AM roycroft: fragalot: i got a little cart at harbor freight and built a mount for the boom and a mount for the extractor on the cart
11:38 AM roycroft: so i can wheel it around
11:38 AM roycroft: and the boom swivels
11:39 AM fragalot: I don't have the space for something to wheel around
11:39 AM roycroft: i've not finished constructing it yet
11:39 AM sync: fragalot: the local pneumatics supplier here had some for that price
11:39 AM roycroft: but when i do finish, it will be no big deal to get another hose for the extractor
11:40 AM roycroft: $150 is a lot of money, but i still come in way cheaper than buying the festool boom (which comes with a 36mm 1.5m hose extension)
12:14 PM merkatorix: when I have problems getting linuxcnc to work and lubuntu might work better, is it recommendet to install linuxcnc on lubuntu?
12:15 PM pink_vampire: no
12:17 PM roycroft: it's hard to answer your question, merkatorix, because you have not indicated what problems you're having with linuxcnc nor the platform on which you've tried to install it
12:18 PM merkatorix: I'm installing it on a J4005N board. And linuxcnc doesn't recognize the Realtek ethernet, nor my TPlink wlan, i bought some hours ago to fix that.
12:19 PM jthornton: that's not a linuxcnc issue but an OS issue
12:19 PM roycroft: linuxcnc should have no concept of the underlying network adapter
12:19 PM jthornton: what OS are you using?
12:19 PM merkatorix: So it seems a modern linux runs a lot smoother, allowing me to install all the necessary stuff and I could additionaly install the realtime kernel
12:19 PM jthornton: so get the most recent version of linuxcnc on debian...
12:20 PM merkatorix: I thought linuxcnc means the os. I am using the debian OS linuxcnc is packaged with.
12:20 PM * roycroft takes the easier route and pulls some teeth :)
12:20 PM jthornton: which one?
12:20 PM merkatorix: I don't know. It was the most recent they offered on their homepage.
12:20 PM * jthornton agrees with roycroft
12:20 PM merkatorix: 2 days ago
12:21 PM merkatorix: linuxcnc 2.7 wheezy
12:21 PM roycroft: that's pretty ancient
12:21 PM roycroft: two major releases old
12:22 PM jthornton: merkatorix: http://linuxcnc.org/dists/ stretch is newer
12:22 PM roycroft: stretch is the current debian release
12:23 PM merkatorix: Is that beta?
12:23 PM jthornton: no, it's LinuxCNC 2.7 which has been out forever maybe longer
12:23 PM merkatorix: Why is wheezy 2.7 linked at the frontpage then?
12:23 PM jthornton: do you need master like for a gantry or something
12:24 PM roycroft: iirc realtek is proprietary, and drivers may not be bundled with the base os, as debian is rather closed-source phobic
12:24 PM jthornton: no idea
12:24 PM roycroft: but there are binary-only drivers available for much proprietary hardware
12:24 PM jthornton: and to add to what roycroft said you may need to build from a net install to get that stuff
12:25 PM jthornton: I have instructions if you want that...
12:25 PM jthornton: but try stretch first
12:25 PM merkatorix: Is just using lubuntu, replacing the kernel and installing linuxcnc a bad idea then?
12:25 PM jthornton: no, have fun
12:25 PM roycroft: you can do whatever you want
12:26 PM jthornton: might keep you busy for a while...
12:26 PM merkatorix: because that sounds way easier to me and leaves me in a well known environment.
12:26 PM merkatorix: Really?
12:26 PM * jthornton goes back to cleaning chicken poop
12:26 PM roycroft: but if you run an os that is directly supported by linuxcnc or, at least, familiar to the linuxcnc folks, you'll have a better chance of getting help
12:26 PM merkatorix: Why isn't that the fastest way? Then I have the realtime kernel and linuxcnc.
12:26 PM merkatorix: Or will the rest of lubuntu slow down the realtime capability too much?
12:27 PM jthornton: you should try it then come back here and let us know how it worked out
12:27 PM roycroft: i don't know
12:27 PM jthornton: really time to finish cleaning up chicken poop
12:27 PM roycroft: maybe the folks who run linuxcnc on lubuntu will chime in and offer their thoughts
12:27 PM * roycroft looks around
12:28 PM CaptHindsight: merkatorix: all depends on how well you are at building and installing Linux packages and dealing with dependencies
12:28 PM rmu: merkatorix: the base OS doesn't matter that much, IFF you are comfortable building your own realtime kernel and linuxcnc from source
12:28 PM roycroft: and i am correct, the realtek driver is binary-only (non-free they call it), and is not installed by default
12:29 PM merkatorix: https://github.com/KurtJacobson/RF45-CNC/wiki/Installing-LinuxCNC-on-Ubuntu
12:29 PM roycroft: rmu: it only matters in that nobody here is likely going to be able to help with os issues
12:29 PM merkatorix: It sounds as if I only have to download the realtime kernel
12:29 PM merkatorix: No compiling needed
12:29 PM roycroft: ubuntu is based closely on debian
12:29 PM CaptHindsight: merkatorix: you have to build LCNC against the real time kernel version
12:30 PM roycroft: i don't know if they have the same policy about proprietary drivers
12:30 PM rmu: roycroft: if you manage to build you own kernel packages that shouldn't be an issue
12:30 PM roycroft: if they do then you'll still need to install the realtek driver
12:30 PM roycroft: it sounds like you know what you need to do, merkatorix
12:30 PM merkatorix: Well, I can restart whenever I need internet, couldn't I
12:30 PM roycroft: and if you feel comfortable attempting it, by all means, go for it
12:31 PM merkatorix: Because I don't have any other computer in my workshop that makes all the tinkering and updating a lot easier.
12:31 PM roycroft: all i'm saying is that if you need help with the os, your best chance of getting help is by using an os that is commonly used by other linuxcnc users
12:31 PM merkatorix: And that is only debian?
12:32 PM roycroft: i think that's by far the most common os
12:32 PM roycroft: but i know some folks use other linux variants
12:33 PM * rmu raspbian, debian, kubuntu, mint (arm and x86), ...
12:33 PM CaptHindsight: merkatorix: what he is saying is that the easiest way to get LCNC is to use the Live CD, if you want to install it some other way on another distro most here can't or won't be of help
12:33 PM pcw_home: merkatorix what motion control hardware are you using?
12:33 PM roycroft: the problem with the livecd is that the network driver is not there
12:33 PM roycroft: because it's a "non-free" driver
12:34 PM roycroft: but he can download that driver onto a thumb drive and install it after doing the install from the livecd
12:34 PM merkatorix: It is some parallel port CNC6040
12:34 PM merkatorix: roycroft, I am about to follow the dkms tipp right now. Already downloaded it.
12:35 PM pcw_home: Does wheezy work otherwise?
12:35 PM * roycroft thinks that the weezy livecd should be removed from the linuxcnc website
12:35 PM roycroft: wheezy
12:36 PM roycroft: but that's not really germane to this issue, so i'll say nothing further about it now
12:36 PM pcw_home: I think the issue is that for parallel port systems on slow CPUs (and a 4005 is slow) you probably still want RTAI
12:36 PM roycroft: wheezy/jessie/stretch will all have the same issue with the realtek driver
12:36 PM roycroft: and the same simple solution
12:37 PM CaptHindsight: stay away from Debian :)
12:37 PM pcw_home: and AFAIK there is no RTAI kernel for newer OSes than Wheezy
12:38 PM CaptHindsight: nothing provided by the LCNC devs
12:38 PM roycroft: pcw_home: then perhaps it should not be removed, but not be the default/easiest to find distro
12:38 PM CaptHindsight: you'd have to build it yourself
12:38 PM pcw_home: which is quite painful
12:39 PM roycroft: jthornton has done all the work for you
12:39 PM CaptHindsight: the LCNC devs only have so much time and energy
12:39 PM merkatorix: wait, so stretch comes without realtime kernel?
12:40 PM roycroft: jthornton posted a link to a linuxcnc distro running on stretch with a realtime kernel
12:40 PM pcw_home: I think JT provides Preempt-RT kernels
12:40 PM roycroft: yes, his are preempt-rt
12:40 PM CaptHindsight: merkatorix: yes, RTAI does not come with Stretch, not sure if there are preempt_rt patches for you to download
12:41 PM CaptHindsight: I guess check with JT about preempt_rt patches for your distro of interest
12:41 PM roycroft: and if merkatorix' machine really needs rtai, then the wheezy distro might be fine, as long as the machine is not connected to the interenet
12:41 PM roycroft: internet
12:42 PM roycroft: i should hope that most linuxcnc machines are not on the internet anyway
12:45 PM CaptHindsight: memleak just helped someone build RTAI for 3.16 with Ubuntu
12:45 PM CaptHindsight: the only issue was Grub
12:46 PM merkatorix: weired news. Altough compiling the driver failed and I can't remember that I did something else... the internet now works
12:46 PM merkatorix: o.O
12:46 PM merkatorix: Well... stuff I probably should not question
12:47 PM CaptHindsight: LCNC with RTAI runs on Scientific Linux now
12:48 PM CaptHindsight: odd distro, no firewall by default, lots of open ports
12:49 PM merkatorix: roycroft, why should I stay away from the internet?
12:50 PM merkatorix: And the jitter is around 25µs
12:51 PM roycroft: because i don't think you want someone from mongolia messing with your mill at 3am
12:52 PM roycroft: especially if you're running an old operating system
12:52 PM * roycroft has nothing against mongolians, per se
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: I store all my data as double negative complementary
12:57 PM sync: roycroft: YOLO
12:58 PM FinboySlick: Sneaky mongolians. Only way to stop them is a wall.
12:58 PM roycroft: some disagree, sync
12:58 PM roycroft: and in the next life you may be reincarnated as a cnc milling machine
12:59 PM roycroft: you probably would not want to be controlled by random mongolians
12:59 PM roycroft: we need a shitty wall1
12:59 PM roycroft: !
01:10 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20181102-iro3d-now-shipping-5000-destop-spd-metal-3d-printer.html
01:13 PM SpeedEvil: neat
01:15 PM CaptHindsight: The volume of the iro3d metal 3D printer is approximately 300 x 300 x 100 mm. Minimum layer thickness measures up at 0.3mm, while the system’s “pourer” (or hot end equivalent) is 1mm in diameter. Approximate print time is listed at 24 hours.
01:22 PM CaptHindsight: how useful are those metal parts at the res it prints?
01:23 PM CaptHindsight: if you don't have machine tools
01:24 PM SpeedEvil: That depends.
01:24 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: depends entirely on what you need from them
01:24 PM SpeedEvil: A tiny amount of work with a file will clean up a lot.
01:24 PM fragalot: if you're printing ornamental wraught iron gate pieces, who cares :D
01:25 PM SpeedEvil: Or, for example, a hole for a bearing to be fitted with epoxy - is not particularly critical.
01:25 PM Tom_L: expensive gate
01:25 PM CaptHindsight: 1mm x 1mm x .3mm res
01:27 PM CaptHindsight: is $5k off putting?
01:28 PM SpeedEvil: If you're using it regularly, no.
01:29 PM CaptHindsight: i was figuring 100um xyz res
01:30 PM SpeedEvil: Think of it as 'rough casting in any shape you like'
01:30 PM SpeedEvil: rather than final object then.
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: few second layer times
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: not sure if the $5k includes the kiln
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: no kiln included
01:34 PM CaptHindsight: http://iro3d.com/
01:34 PM CaptHindsight: For high-carbon steel the temperature is 1250°C ?
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: I'm going to make a few printers for metal and sand casting
01:36 PM Tom_L: after the kiln bake are the parts tempered or anealed
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: only using LCNC for control
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: so I expect massive heart attacks from the reprap smoothie crowd
01:38 PM CaptHindsight: Horizontal resolution: 0.05mm ? maybe they mean res of the axis movement
01:39 PM CaptHindsight: Min height of a detail: 0.3mm, Min width of a detail: 1mm
01:40 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: you're free to do what you wish, melt temp is higher than what they list...
01:41 PM CaptHindsight: you could heat treat after
01:41 PM Blumax: Re
01:41 PM Blumax: Well, I still can not find a clean solution to read the variables of the var file directly in python (Without reading the file directly which is not necessarily updated instantly). Evening people have an idea?
01:54 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.zianet.com/ebear/metal/heattreat5.html
02:02 PM pink_vampire: do you know if there is something like that for 14 AWG wires?
02:07 PM jthornton: Blumax: same people as this morning...
02:08 PM jthornton: Blumax: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/35454-python-interface-get-probe-result
02:08 PM jthornton: no answer from the forum either...
02:10 PM Blumax: Oh that's so nice, thank you :)
02:11 PM jthornton: yw
02:20 PM * jthornton wanders to the chicken yard to make some dust bathing dirt
02:20 PM miss0r: fragalot: nice pics7link?
02:20 PM miss0r: fragalot: nice pics/link?*
02:39 PM {HD}: My new spindle mount is almost finished printing!
02:40 PM {HD}: jthornton: how do you make dust dirt?
02:40 PM pink_vampire: printing?????
02:42 PM miss0r: pink_vampire: calm down. Everyone needs to start somewhere :)
02:43 PM pink_vampire: i just surprised by that
02:43 PM * FinboySlick for his part is silently passing judgment.
02:43 PM miss0r: :]
02:46 PM miss0r: bah... I've been working for 17 hours straight now.
02:46 PM gregcnc: the joy of being self employed?
02:46 PM miss0r: I think I'll be done in another hour. Good thing I'm done soon; mistakes are starting to happen
02:46 PM miss0r: Indeed
02:47 PM {HD}: Yea! Printing! This thing is awesome!
02:48 PM pink_vampire: share some pictures from your stuff
02:48 PM miss0r: okay; I just have to ask. {HD}: Spindle mount for what?
02:49 PM pink_vampire: sounds very interesting
02:49 PM {HD}: For my cnc. I upgraded to a liquid cooled from an aircooled. Needed a new mount
02:50 PM {HD}: I’ll take pictures once its on.
02:50 PM miss0r: Why aren't you milling a bracket out of alu instead of printing a plastic one? :S
02:50 PM pink_vampire: do before and after
02:51 PM pink_vampire: miss0r: my HF spindle also mount with Plastic mount (1.5" think pvc)
02:51 PM {HD}: Because I don’t have any aluminum left.
02:51 PM miss0r: pink_vampire: Indeed.
02:52 PM miss0r: {HD}: If there ever was an excuse to go buy some? :) (you'd need something to test that new spindle on afterwards as well)
02:52 PM pink_vampire: the chip load when you cut with 60K rpm is almost 0 (zero)
02:53 PM {HD}: And it is reinforced nylon so pretty strong stuff
02:53 PM miss0r: That very much depends on how you run it
02:53 PM {HD}: Especially after annealing
02:56 PM pink_vampire: {HD}: pics or it didnt happen
02:57 PM {HD}: Haha
03:14 PM miss0r: so... still didn't happen?
03:18 PM miss0r: bah. I need to whip up three alu brackets.. and all my stock is way too big..
03:21 PM fragalot: miss0r: that's never stopped you before?
03:22 PM fragalot: miss0r: https://www.ewm-sales.com/en/TIG_welding_machines/DC_TIG_welding_machines/Portable/Picotig_200_puls_TG--090-002058-00502.html <== that one, but with a 260A upgraded torch
03:23 PM miss0r: That looks cute
03:23 PM miss0r: I only thought you went out for more argon? :D
03:23 PM fragalot: well, one thing leads to another
03:23 PM fragalot: also, turns out the local gas supply was bought by a dutch company so they now only have bottles with a dutch connection
03:23 PM fragalot: which is not compatible with my belgian regulators
03:23 PM fragalot: so I needed a new regulator
03:24 PM fragalot: so I went to the only welding shop that was open
03:24 PM fragalot: and they reel you in with "hey try this one"
03:24 PM miss0r: :D
03:24 PM fragalot: :P
03:24 PM miss0r: This happens
03:24 PM * fragalot has no self control
03:25 PM fragalot: picking it up on monday
03:25 PM fragalot: and a new helmet because my old one keeps conking out
03:26 PM miss0r: :D
03:26 PM miss0r: I know the feeling
03:26 PM miss0r: That is how I ended up with a EDM die sinker.
03:26 PM miss0r: well.. the part about having no self control atleast
03:26 PM fragalot: the last straw really was when I just tried my tig welder again and it keeps going into this low current mode every time you get the arc too close (ie. at the proper distance)
03:27 PM fragalot: so you have to pull the arc back ~10mm for it to get it's oomph back
03:27 PM * JT-Shop just got a new helment and the arc is much brighter and easier to see
03:27 PM miss0r: :D
03:27 PM miss0r: I found some stainless stock I can use. To the lathe
03:27 PM JT-Shop: better for an old fart
03:28 PM fragalot: wait
03:28 PM fragalot: miss0r: how are you going to make alubrackets with stainless stock on a lathe
03:28 PM miss0r: waiting...
03:28 PM miss0r: am I waiting for THAT? :)
03:28 PM fragalot: :D
03:28 PM miss0r: Was planning alu, ended up with stainless :D
03:28 PM miss0r: nuff' said
03:28 PM miss0r: its sandwiched between two sheets of HDPE, so it doesn't matter much
03:29 PM miss0r: now: off to the lathe!!
03:29 PM fragalot: JT-Shop: supposedly the helmet I got is a lot better to darken the arc itself but keep the surrounding area brighter
03:29 PM fragalot: curious to find out the difference compared to the current one
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: i weld by feel
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: saves the eyes buy harder on the fingers
03:30 PM fragalot: get yourself some goat leather gloves, CaptHindsight
03:30 PM fragalot: :P
04:24 PM miss0r: fragalot: Done! Sweet mother of christ, finally done
04:27 PM miss0r: This is what I've spend the last 8 or so hours designing and building: https://imgur.com/a/T88VybX
04:32 PM miss0r: Thats it. I'll hit the hay. See you around
04:32 PM Blumax: jthornton, Can we do (PRINT, VAL: # 5070) is it possible to recover in python the stderr?
04:36 PM DaViruz: miss0r: fancy beer dispenser!
04:37 PM miss0r: DaViruz: Not a beer dispenser - I am not from Sweden :] Its actually for feeding a sticks into a cotton swap maker
04:38 PM andypugh: Lathe parting-off problems solved: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dHX7xW6UwhHZeB838
04:39 PM gregcnc: somehow I envisioned that prior to clicking the link
04:39 PM andypugh: Blumax: To see a parameter value use (DEBUG, VAL: #5070)
04:39 PM DaViruz: i'd like to see that in a tool turret in a cnc lathe.
04:40 PM andypugh: I think it is going to work, though I didn’t go far into that bit of Aluminium in case I needed it later.
04:41 PM djdelorie: andypugh: but not a *toolpost* bandsaw? ;-)
04:42 PM andypugh: There isn’t rally room for it on the toopost, which is a shame as currently setting the Z position isn’t all that easy.
04:43 PM SpeedEvil: andypugh: The case is surprisingly decent for that bandsaw. Almost not disposable.
04:43 PM DaViruz: maybe there's some tool that fits in the toolpost that can do the job? ;)
04:43 PM Blumax: andypugh, How do we get the data after?
04:43 PM Blumax: (witch python)
04:44 PM andypugh: Ah, you want a parameter in Python?
04:44 PM andypugh: Hmm
04:44 PM Blumax: mcode to python
04:44 PM Blumax: param 5070 have probe sucess or not
04:48 PM andypugh: I can’t help in the general case
04:49 PM andypugh: But there is linuxcnc.stat().probed_position and probe_tripped
04:50 PM jthornton: hi andypugh
04:50 PM andypugh: Hi JT
04:50 PM jthornton: I wonder how much trouble it would be to add stat().probe_complete or fail?
04:54 PM andypugh: doesn’t probe_tripped do that?
04:55 PM Blumax: i try this
04:55 PM jthornton: hmm yes... just thinking a bit
04:55 PM andypugh: stdglue.py uses self.params[‘name’] but I don’t think that works outside a remap
04:58 PM andypugh: This is clunky, but if you wait until s.motion_type != MOTION_TYPE_PROBING and then check that probe_tripped == TRUE I think you can tell that the probe worked.
05:02 PM Deejay: gn8
05:06 PM jthornton: that would only work with G38.2 and G38.3 you would need a separate test for G38.4 and G38.5
05:07 PM jthornton: Blumax: what are you trying to accomplish?
05:08 PM Blumax: A probing screen with mcode
05:10 PM jthornton: with mcode?
05:10 PM Blumax: ocode sorry
05:10 PM jthornton: like probing routines?
05:11 PM jthornton: that is all G code...
05:12 PM Blumax: yes routines
05:13 PM jthornton: take a gander at this http://www.mesaus.com/info/probe-subroutines.zip
05:17 PM andypugh: Not using Python, though.
05:17 PM jthornton: no, that is just G code subroutines
05:18 PM jthornton: Blumax: https://github.com/verser-git/probe_screen_v2 have you seen that?
05:20 PM Blumax: I watch this after
05:22 PM jthornton: it's a probe screen in python... not a video
05:22 PM Blumax: English is not my mother tongue, sorry.
05:26 PM jthornton: no problem
05:43 PM jthornton: Blumax: there is some discussion on #linuxcnc-devel about probing http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2018-11-02.html
05:48 PM Blumax: self.stat.probe_works well it looks like
05:48 PM Blumax: And result of last G38
05:52 PM Blumax: Thank you for everything, I'll watch this. My project will be on github, I will report to you when this will be done;)
05:53 PM Blumax: Good night ;)
05:53 PM jthornton: good night
06:39 PM xnke: Hey folks
06:39 PM xnke is now known as Xnke
06:40 PM Xnke: I'm working on how to use my current 7i96 in combination with an 8i20 motor driver to run my spindle motor-does anyone have any information on using the 8i20?
07:29 PM andypugh: Xnke: Still there?
07:29 PM Xnke: Yeah Andy
07:29 PM andypugh: I own 5 8i20s
07:29 PM andypugh: And used them all today :-)
07:29 PM Xnke: Nice. I still need to get LInuxcnc installed properly
07:29 PM andypugh: (2 on the lathe, 3 on the mill)
07:31 PM andypugh: The 8i20 is dumb but good, unfortunately it is such a “dumb” drive that you have to do a fair bit of work for it at the config stage.
07:31 PM andypugh: What are your motors, and what feedback do they have?
07:31 PM XXCoder: yo
07:33 PM andypugh: Sometimes it is very easy, I have one servo with a 4 pile motor and x2 resolver that is properly aligned and that one only takes one line of HAL to connect resolver position to 8i20 rotor position. Others need a bit more work.
07:33 PM Xnke: It's a 900W AC Servo, with an incremental quadrature encoder that gives A/B/Index pulses
07:34 PM andypugh: OK, so no commutation signals?
07:34 PM andypugh: (That’s a little unusual with an AC servo)
07:34 PM Xnke: The servo appears to be a 4 pole, there are 8 detents when all three phases are shorted together
07:35 PM andypugh: Yes, that’s an 8-pole then.
07:35 PM andypugh: No, 4 pole
07:35 PM andypugh: (it’s late here)
07:35 PM Xnke: heh, yeah. I have friends in your locale
07:36 PM andypugh: Can you afford to have the motor twitch during start-up?
07:36 PM Xnke: Sure, it's a spindle motor
07:36 PM andypugh: Best is to allow one full motor rev, to find the index.
07:36 PM andypugh: Spindles are certainly easier.
07:37 PM Xnke: I figure we just tell the 8i20 to start spinning the motor, because even if we're 45 degrees out of phase, you'll still get 70% of the max torque-then as soon as the index pulse comes around, adjust the phase, right?
07:37 PM andypugh: OK, so you can use the “bldc” HAL compinent (which was basically written as a companion to the 8i20 (and 7i49)
07:38 PM andypugh: What actually happens is that you run the motor as a stepper until index (rotor chases field) then switch to proper commutation (field runs away from rotor)
07:39 PM Xnke: Right, that's the plan
07:39 PM Xnke: But before I drop the money on the 8i20, I gotta make sure I can make it work
07:40 PM andypugh: I guaratee that we can make it work.
07:40 PM andypugh: (you can find me here or on the forum, or the mailing list)
07:40 PM andypugh: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/bldc.9.html
07:40 PM Xnke: Awesome.
07:40 PM andypugh: Is it a factory-installed encoder?
07:41 PM Xnke: Yes, Yaskawa
07:41 PM Xnke: OLD yaskawa
07:41 PM andypugh: If it is, then the chances are good that the index is aligned to motor zero.
07:41 PM Xnke: The motor was on a Biesse router
07:41 PM andypugh: Though there are many ways to define motor zero.
07:42 PM andypugh: Mesa-zero is + on A/U and - on BC/VW
07:42 PM Xnke: ?
07:42 PM Xnke: oh, ok
07:42 PM Xnke: I see, I missed a message
07:42 PM andypugh: (Not only are there many ways to define motor zero, there are several ways to label the wires)
07:42 PM Xnke: yeah
07:43 PM Xnke: well, I am fixing to head out to the shop to try and fix my Linuxcnc install
07:43 PM andypugh: Which version are you installing?
07:43 PM Xnke: I did the run-in-place install and it isn't...well it's not correct I think
07:43 PM Xnke: master, for the 7i96 stuff
07:44 PM andypugh: Do you have a reason to think you need the dev version?
07:44 PM andypugh: Yes, OK...
07:44 PM Xnke: 2.8 is the version I think I need, and I think that's the dev version
07:45 PM andypugh: Possibly easiest to install the stretch / preempt RT image (which is 2.7) then upgrade to 2.8 with the pre-compiled binaries from the buildbot
07:46 PM andypugh: That is a sentence that needs links :-)
07:47 PM andypugh: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
07:47 PM andypugh: That as a fresh install should give you a PREEMPT-RT debian install and a working LinuxCNC.
07:48 PM Xnke: well, I installed Mint 19, and then compiled the kernel for preempt-RT
07:48 PM andypugh: Then: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org has instructions how to configure Synaptic to install precompiled dev versions
07:48 PM andypugh: Ah, OK.
07:49 PM Xnke: Then I git-got the master source and compliled it
07:49 PM andypugh: Buldbot might still be your friend..
07:49 PM andypugh: But. what you did should work.
07:49 PM andypugh: Is there a problem?
07:50 PM andypugh: There are 64 pages here, on Mint installs. That probably makes it not very helpful https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/32193-complete-how-to-linux-mint-18-1-32-64-rtai-or-preempt-with-rip-install-or-deb?start=530#118358
07:50 PM andypugh: jthornton: You run Mint, don’t you?
07:53 PM Xnke: I followed the installation guide on the forums, but I did the RIP install and not the build a package install
07:53 PM andypugh: That’s probably wise
07:55 PM Xnke: doing the package install?
07:55 PM andypugh: (You can point the menus and desktop icons at the RIP versions of the “linuxcnc” script (linuxcnc-dev/scripts/linuxcnc) and you won’t reallly see the difference.
07:55 PM andypugh: No, if you have compiled, carry on.
07:55 PM Xnke: because right now, i can't cd into the scripts folder and run anything
07:55 PM andypugh: Well, that’s odd
07:56 PM Xnke: Like if i am in the scripts folder, and I type $latency-test
07:56 PM andypugh: Who owns the linuxcnc-dev folder?
07:56 PM Xnke: User.
07:56 PM Xnke: but yeah if I type that, it gives an error.
07:56 PM andypugh: Try ./latency-test
07:57 PM Xnke: If I $bash latency-test, it ran once. then it gives an error
07:58 PM andypugh: Linux needs ./ for some scripts, I think it’s a scripting security thing.
07:58 PM Xnke: if I do ./latency-test, it gives an error too.
07:58 PM andypugh: What error?
08:00 PM Xnke: No such file or directory
08:00 PM andypugh: Just as an experiment.. sudo ./latency-test
08:01 PM andypugh: You often get “no such…” when it is there, but it isn’t yours
08:05 PM Xnke: yeah
09:25 PM {HD}: My spindle coolant lines get really stiff in the cold. Any recommendations for a better material type to use?
09:28 PM XXCoder: I recommand warmer envorment
09:34 PM pcw_home: If its a RIP install you must forts change to the scripts folder and type " . rip-environment"
09:34 PM pcw_home: s/forts/first/
09:34 PM pcw_home: then all the linuxcnc commands should work as is
09:35 PM tiwake: wonder if they make steel fiber braided hose lines
09:36 PM tiwake: just steel... no rubber inside
09:36 PM pcw_home: (in the shell that you set the RIP environment variables with . rip-environment)
09:36 PM tiwake: though a thin layer of nylon would be good
09:36 PM tiwake: hmm
09:45 PM XXCoder: man sometimes I love being pareon supporter. new clickspring video :)
09:46 PM XXCoder: oh its special, byzantire sundial calender
09:49 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGHq4O-ib2U public preview
09:55 PM {HD}: XXCoder: to expensive to heat this whole area. I wonder if more of a surgical style tubing would be good... the pump isn’t that strong to crush it...
09:55 PM XXCoder: if you build "rooms" it would be easier to in least take edge off in local region
09:56 PM XXCoder: but same time it might limit your access to machine. depends on how large area is and how much room you has around the machine
09:56 PM XXCoder: depending on machine, how cold room is does also affect precision
09:57 PM XXCoder: old fadal and 2 of smaller robodrills is sensive to cold.
10:03 PM {HD}: Maybe I could build some insulated movable partitions out there.
10:03 PM andypugh: [HD] I have a deeling that PTFE tubes stay floppy when cold.
10:17 PM {HD}: Aren’t teflon tubes stiff to start with? Or am I thinking of something else?
10:21 PM XXCoder: maybe he means it doesnt change properies in cold?
10:21 PM XXCoder: bit stiff but same in cold or warm
10:23 PM {HD}: Where can I buy knockoff aluminum extrusions? 8020 seems so expensive.
10:28 PM XXCoder: aliexpress
10:29 PM XXCoder: up to 550mm is very cheap
10:29 PM XXCoder: past that shipping shoots up fast
10:29 PM {HD}: Hum. I’ll give it a look.
10:33 PM {HD}: Well not bad. I need some 4040 1600long
10:33 PM XXCoder: yeah shipping kills saving so fast past 550mm :(
10:35 PM {HD}: Looks like the 1000mm sections including shipping aren’t that expensive. But I threw away my 8020 price sheet.
10:39 PM {HD}: I wish I had a welding table large enough and enough clamps to just weld up a quick cheap hss frame.
10:46 PM XXCoder: man clickspring guy sur eloves the ancient vise he made for other project. hes using it for unrelated project also
10:51 PM XXCoder: know whats better than clickspring? binge watching clickspring videos you havent watched before. :D
10:54 PM * roycroft is watching gold rush
10:54 PM roycroft: without the political ads
10:55 PM MarcelineVQ: That's a fun show, ignoring all the clearly staged reactions to things it's fun to watch mining gear go
10:55 PM roycroft: yeah
10:55 PM roycroft: i like watching tony beets and his crew beat up on their dredges
10:56 PM roycroft: i would hate to ever work with or near tony beets
10:56 PM roycroft: but he's fun to watch on tv
10:56 PM MarcelineVQ: got a few now eh? I stopped watching after the season where he got his running I think, not for any particular reason
10:56 PM roycroft: he's on his second one
10:56 PM roycroft: he bought it a couple years ago
10:56 PM roycroft: and he's just now starting to move it
10:57 PM roycroft: he had to buy a barge to move it and almost sunk it once and then broke the prop
10:57 PM MarcelineVQ: those dredges are no joke, heck of a project to fix up for fun
10:57 PM roycroft: yeah
10:57 PM roycroft: and
10:57 PM roycroft: this is the good news
10:57 PM roycroft: todd hoffman quit!
10:57 PM roycroft: there is no hoffman crew any more
10:58 PM XXCoder: I thought you guys meant workers when said dredges for a moment, making me picture literal beating of workers
10:58 PM roycroft: it's parker, tony, and parker's old foreman rick, who is on his own this year
10:58 PM XXCoder: but then I remembered what dredge was
10:58 PM MarcelineVQ: is uhm, what's his name.. the white-hat that actually managed to run equipment properly from todd's side still around?
10:59 PM roycroft: tony beets buys 100 year old dredges that have sat and rusted for the last 50 years or so
10:59 PM roycroft: then he dismantles them and moves them to his claim
10:59 PM roycroft: oh, the competent guy from todd's crew :)
10:59 PM roycroft: freddy
10:59 PM roycroft: he's gone
10:59 PM MarcelineVQ: hehe workers are drudges :>
11:01 PM roycroft: and if you haven't watched it in a while, you might not know that grandpa died a year ago
11:01 PM MarcelineVQ: roycroft: I think I'm thinking of Dave Turin
11:01 PM roycroft: oh, dozer dave
11:01 PM MarcelineVQ: schnovel?
11:01 PM roycroft: he's gone too
11:01 PM roycroft: yeah, grandpa schnabel
11:01 PM MarcelineVQ: ah, just knew about schnovel
11:01 PM MarcelineVQ: oh okay
11:01 PM MarcelineVQ: I get it now hehe
11:02 PM roycroft: none of the hoffman crew are around
11:02 PM roycroft: they are ex miners
11:02 PM MarcelineVQ: That was sad news, schabel was quite a guy
11:02 PM roycroft: yeah
11:02 PM roycroft: he was in his mid 90s
11:02 PM roycroft: and he got to see his grandson succeed at gold mining
11:02 PM roycroft: so i think he was pretty satisfied with his life
11:04 PM MarcelineVQ: man, it's actually kind of hard to get a cast list by team so I can ask about people haha. especially with jokes like this at the top of the google results http://goldrush.wikia.com/wiki/Rick_Ness
11:05 PM roycroft: i'm not a big fan of rick
11:05 PM roycroft: i don't think i want to go read his jokes
11:05 PM MarcelineVQ: He's the joke in that article
11:05 PM roycroft: oh
11:05 PM roycroft: well maybe that's not so bad
11:05 PM roycroft: i'll pass anyway
11:07 PM MarcelineVQ: aha it was Cheeseman I wanted, so all this time I wanted to say "it seemed like parker smartened up a bit after he lost cheeseman due to being a complete cunt"
11:07 PM roycroft: aah
11:07 PM roycroft: he quit parker and went to work for tony
11:08 PM MarcelineVQ: yeah I recall tony saying something like, "gene could have asked me for twice as much as he did and I would pay it, parker made a great mistake"
11:09 PM XXCoder: hindsight is always 20/20
11:09 PM MarcelineVQ: or I'm making that up, but it's in the memory files, so hopefully it happened
11:09 PM roycroft: tonight tony is mounting some custom pontoons on the sides of his barge so it won't be so tippy
11:09 PM XXCoder: when person is smart anyway
11:11 PM roycroft: well gene is gone too now
11:11 PM roycroft: i forget exactly what happened
11:11 PM roycroft: a falling out with tony of some sort
11:11 PM roycroft: which should surprise nobody
11:11 PM MarcelineVQ: Well he was never happy with tony showing up randomly and telling everyone to stop being safe and smart and reasonable and then fucking off
11:11 PM roycroft: as i said, it should be no surprise :)
11:12 PM XXCoder: I rather have shit job with great boss than great job with shit boss
11:12 PM roycroft: and rick just dropped his giant trommel while trying to unload it
11:12 PM XXCoder: vending jobs was one of my worse jobs, loved that job though. people and boss was great
11:13 PM MarcelineVQ: that shit can be dicey, especially with a boss that doesn't want you to take the time to make a base to unload to/from/with
11:14 PM MarcelineVQ: Some of those excavators they have up there are just unreal huge
11:14 PM MarcelineVQ: Could scoop up the ones we have down here
11:14 PM roycroft: i'd like to go check out one of those mines some day
11:14 PM roycroft: that would be fun
11:14 PM roycroft: i don't want to work on one though
11:14 PM roycroft: that would not be fun
11:15 PM XXCoder: roy "make everything from strach" guy went to one of old copper mines, got bunch of rocks and managed to make 1 1/2 pound of copper
11:15 PM roycroft: it would be both invigorating and exhausting at the same time
11:15 PM XXCoder: its very ineffecient but looked like interesting experence in least
11:15 PM roycroft: especially since we're well past peak copper
11:16 PM roycroft: nobody should be mining copper any more for anything more than the experience
11:16 PM XXCoder: yeah. it was just to make copper from sources as per requirement for his show
11:16 PM XXCoder: nothing can be bought
11:16 PM roycroft: and since we're past peak copper it's a more difficult experience than before
11:16 PM XXCoder: so copper prices have crashed?
11:16 PM MarcelineVQ: at least copper is very easy to recover chemically
11:16 PM roycroft: no
11:16 PM MarcelineVQ: that's not true of just anything
11:17 PM roycroft: peak metal is when it's cheaper to recycle/remanufacture scrap than to mine new
11:17 PM XXCoder: ahh I see
11:17 PM XXCoder: I just hope evenually method to cheapy make titanium (like alum was discovered to have a cheap way to make) is found
11:17 PM roycroft: all the easy copper that we know of in the world has been mined
11:30 PM XXCoder: oh well
11:30 PM XXCoder: we really to get to space
11:30 PM XXCoder: earth is finite
11:30 PM XXCoder: space adds "in
11:30 PM XXCoder: *"in"
11:36 PM jesseg: Howdy
11:37 PM XXCoder: hey
11:37 PM jesseg: How's it going there XXCoder ?
11:39 PM XXCoder: still watching its great series
11:40 PM XXCoder: on 8th, soon 9th and waitinf for 10th
11:40 PM XXCoder: pareon to watch those is so worth money, if free videos isnt worth it as is lol
11:57 PM XXCoder: aww
11:58 PM XXCoder: just finished sundial series. apparently 10th will be last one of that one