#linuxcnc Logs

Oct 14 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:57 AM Deejay: moin
02:02 AM gloops: quiet
02:20 AM gloops: hi veek, any progress with your projects yet?
03:17 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Le-Blond-Centre-Lathe-12-14-diameter-swing/183477715007?
03:17 AM XXCoder: rust monster
03:18 AM XXCoder: its clearly been outside for so long. though probably can fix and make work
03:19 AM gloops: not be much wrong with that, definitely in real lathe territory there
03:20 AM gloops: everything is usually cased in grease and oil, being outside a while doesnt hurt anything
03:20 AM XXCoder: it has rust stains everywhere unfortunately
03:20 AM XXCoder: probably was covered with tarp
03:21 AM gloops: the ways are still shiny, i doubt its been out in the weather much
03:22 AM XXCoder: ehh dont seem that shiny https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KCgAAOSwhN5bvGMk/s-l500.jpg
03:22 AM gloops: Lathe is used daily and in good working order
03:23 AM gloops: screw cutting box is shot by the sound of it, probably a part missing
03:23 AM gloops: not even approaching scrap iron value, the toolpost is worth ÂŁ100
03:24 AM XXCoder: you got it?
03:25 AM gloops: no its a good drive from me, maybe archivist region
03:25 AM gloops: it wont go for that anyway, id be tempted if it stuck around that price - for nothing basically
03:25 AM XXCoder: oh about him,have he contacted someone lately?
03:25 AM gloops: not heard anything else about him
03:26 AM gloops: i thought he had me on ignore because i kept posting links for machines lol
03:27 AM gloops: i dunno, he seemed to be on with some kind of project before he went, he was quiet for a few weeks, asked about various small things, disc sander and stuff, like he was getting ready to launch some business idea
03:28 AM XXCoder: businessowner is one of most busy jobs there is
03:28 AM XXCoder: expecially if small company
03:28 AM XXCoder: my former boss used to work 12 hours 6 days a week
03:28 AM XXCoder: but now have farmed out some of jobs so he works regular full time now
03:29 AM gloops: i think he already did machining jobs, repaired old clocks, and also some involvement with a window company
03:29 AM gloops: yes takes up all your life if you put yourself to it
03:30 AM gloops: then one day you have a heart attack, you realise your kids have gone wild, your wife is seeing someone else, and you wonder why you did it
03:31 AM XXCoder: that depends on lot of factors. not all women would go to some other man
03:32 AM XXCoder: my former boss dont have a wife but a husband
03:32 AM gloops: not all, but can often lead to unhappy marriage
03:32 AM XXCoder: theres so many factors its hard to say
03:33 AM gloops: thing with 1 man business, you are doing about 5 jobs, the actual work, the admin, the sales, the driving, everything
03:33 AM XXCoder: he used to do inverory, ordering, machine repairs as well as manging
03:34 AM XXCoder: but he moved inverory and some of ordering to new position manager
03:34 AM gloops: yeah, i suppose its about growing fast enough to hire some people to take the workload
03:35 AM XXCoder: it definitely grew during I worked there and afterwards. he have split to 2 warehouses now. soda and foods
03:36 AM XXCoder: and 4 vans. there was 3 vans, one of em being fairly recent buy when I started
03:36 AM XXCoder: im telling you, riding the soda van is damn scary
03:36 AM XXCoder: it looks like regular van but its stopping power is 1/5 of regular ones
03:37 AM gloops: not so bad when you get to that point, you just tell someone else what to do
03:37 AM gloops: anyway got to nip out
03:37 AM XXCoder: easily 2 tons of soda in van
03:37 AM XXCoder: later
04:06 AM Sabotend_ is now known as Sabotender
04:08 AM pink_vampire: hi all
04:08 AM pink_vampire: any life here?
04:09 AM XXCoder: nah im undead
04:09 AM pink_vampire: hehe
04:09 AM XXCoder: whats up
04:10 AM pink_vampire: i was at the junk yard
04:10 AM XXCoder: hard to find em here
04:10 AM pink_vampire: and got nice size radiator
04:10 AM XXCoder: but whats you looking for
04:10 AM XXCoder: ahh
04:25 AM pink_vampire: it is still in the car
04:27 AM XXCoder: using it to cool coolant?
04:38 AM pink_vampire: I hope
04:58 AM gloops: full size car rad..or smaller heaters radiator?
04:58 AM pink_vampire: motorcycle
05:00 AM gloops: good thinking
05:03 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:03 AM XXCoder: as alternatives you could use oil cooler radiator, or power steering radiator from trucks
05:03 AM XXCoder: those is pretty small also
05:04 AM gloops: when i was thinking of wc spindle i thought big radiator was overkill, the car heaters rad is much smaller - but motorcycle probably just right size
05:24 AM jthornton: morning
05:25 AM XXCoder: yo
05:33 AM jthornton: looks like cold rain here till tuesday
05:34 AM XXCoder: sunny all week, hovering at 59-61f dang this year fall is so dang dry
05:37 AM jthornton: your leaves turning yet?
05:38 AM XXCoder: lots of em changed colors yeah
05:38 AM XXCoder: think one of crap corprate trees at work died, it made buds for leaves but never went past that stage
05:38 AM XXCoder: it still has buds and its fall
05:39 AM jthornton: I had 4 trees die from the drought we had this summer
05:40 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJFkg1P4oK4 ok in nmost cases, then he shows a nifty bearing balls sorter
05:53 AM jthornton: ah that is just a bar sorter, very common in manufacturing plants
05:54 AM XXCoder: interesting, only one I know of is old game of moving ball upwards to player end
05:54 AM XXCoder: though I had idea, just spin both rods
05:55 AM XXCoder: ball would move towards lower end
05:55 AM XXCoder: (rods is moving outwards of center)
05:58 AM jthornton: that's the way they work in real life the rods spin and many have spiral gooves to move the part along the bars
06:01 AM XXCoder: love it when my picture matches reality lol
06:02 AM Jin|away is now known as Jin^eLD
06:02 AM Jin^eLD: morning
06:05 AM Jin^eLD: so... I rushed to the store yesterday, checked out the motor CB there, saw that the start button clicks in, thought "yay that will be it", bought it for 40EUR, then when I wanted to swap it I saw that more cables are coming out of mine, removed the front panel and doh... mine has a modular relay installed and that was the reason why my start button does not click it :P I was too impatient, should have first looked better and waited for an electric
06:06 AM XXCoder: doh
06:07 AM jthornton: aye we told you to take the cover off... but now you have more knowledge than before
06:13 AM * jthornton makes a nice pot of Texas Red today with some elk, pork and beef
06:21 AM Jin^eLD: jthornton: actually I think I did take the cover off first, was not quite correct above, but that did not help me :) because I thought the CB is supposed to have slots for the two extra cables on the side and the new CB casing has holes all around and I did not yet suspect anything in the shop.... I realized only when I had both in my hands; actually I should have taken mine to the shop as reference :P oh well
06:21 AM Jin^eLD: I hope its not the motor itself that is dead on that machine
06:22 AM jthornton: I was hoping you would say it's running now
06:23 AM Jin^eLD: I did not swap them, because I do not know how to connect it without the relay, I could have swapped it only if it was really 1:1 the same, I have no clue about electric stuff
06:23 AM Jin^eLD: and I did not want to remove the front cover of the new one to install the relay, because that would damage the sticker on the side and I am still hoping I can return it
06:24 AM Jin^eLD: will have to wait for a friend who can check the old CB, it did not look damaged though just from the visual impression
06:52 AM gloops: if its overload protection it might be some fault elsewhere
06:52 AM gloops: short or something
06:52 AM gloops: is there a capacitor on the motor?
06:59 AM Jin^eLD: I have no idea, I'd have to take off the front panel of the machine to see the motor, at least I hope that I would see it then, its well hidden
06:59 AM Jin^eLD: but at this point I will probably wait for a friend who knows something about electric wiring etc
06:59 AM Jin^eLD: he anyway wanted to drop by to check by lathe brake which is not working
07:41 AM gloops: did you ever get the machine up and running on linuxcnc Lcvette
07:59 AM jthornton: I think Lcvette has been just trying to get everything back to normal after the hurricane
08:24 AM hazzy1 is now known as hazzy
08:26 AM Lcvette: jthornton is correct gloops
08:27 AM Lcvette: And been working on the new interface for Linux NC for the machine with Hazzy and Turboss
08:27 AM jthornton: hows that coming along?
08:27 AM jthornton: I see hazzy has worked on some docs for it
08:28 AM Lcvette: he is making some great progress on the back end side of things! I'm more the front end graphics so he has the baton at the moment but he says it's getting close!!
08:29 AM jthornton: cool
08:30 AM * jthornton is still working on the new chicken pop door and lights... but the last edit things seem to be working ok just one more thing to get working
08:31 AM Lcvette: Nice!!! Gonna have some video when it's finished?
08:32 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BAgGpT7GwM
08:32 AM Lcvette: Nice
08:32 AM Lcvette: Watching now
08:32 AM jthornton: that's the first one I built and it's currently guarding the chicken roost area
08:32 AM jthornton: the lock is a bit flaky so I removed it
08:33 AM XXCoder: looking
08:33 AM jthornton: need to finger out a better way to lock the door down
08:33 AM XXCoder: locked = cannot go up?
08:34 AM jthornton: yea, sometimes the lock would not retract
08:34 AM jthornton: the idea was if a coon or something got that far it could not push the door up
08:35 AM Lcvette: I have a jack shaft garage door opener and it has a pin lock actuator
08:35 AM Lcvette: Might be something to Consider
08:35 AM jthornton: but with the defense system I have in effect now it's only to keep small things like rats and mice out
08:35 AM jthornton: the problem with a lead screw device is you need contact sensor to reverse the door if it touches a stubborn chicken
08:36 AM jthornton: the string is safe, but they are always in at sunset and the door goes down at dusk
08:37 AM Lcvette: Pops through hole when door closes and locks
08:37 AM jthornton: I have a couple of linear actuators from a CAT scanner that have a flaky encoder but the limits work
08:37 AM Lcvette: Yeah I can see that being a ptoblem
08:37 AM Lcvette: Needs to have a safety like the garage door
08:37 AM Jin^eLD is now known as Jin|away
08:38 AM jthornton: the "door lock" is the same thing as the pin lock but that one is not reliable
08:38 AM jthornton: much simpler to just use the paracord to lower and raise the door :)
08:39 AM * jthornton wanders up to check on breakfast
08:39 AM Lcvette: Maybe a sliding bottom piece on the door connected to some switches that could reverse
08:39 AM XXCoder: jthornton: can use 2 linear actuator and holes on door
08:40 AM * methods_ eats jthornton's breakfast before he arrives
08:40 AM Lcvette: Magnetic actuators would be easy too
08:40 AM * XXCoder eats methods_'s breakfast while hes eating jthornton 's/
08:40 AM jthornton: XXCoder: not sure what you mean
08:40 AM jthornton: breakfast not ready for 12 minutes lol
08:41 AM XXCoder: when door is fully closed it just moves rods though the holes so door cannot rise
08:41 AM jthornton: ah yea just like the door lock thing, sure if I could find a small one
08:42 AM jthornton: or a magnetic one with some provision for sensors to tell when it's in or out
08:42 AM XXCoder: magnetic switch would work yeah
08:42 AM XXCoder: something ferrious would be very strong yet easily switch locked or on
08:43 AM methods_: just throw a arduino in one of the chickens brains and program it to lock a regular lock every night
08:43 AM XXCoder: other side can be contact sensor to tell you its locked
08:43 AM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/InstallGear-Universal-Power-Actuators-12-Volt/dp/B00CZBQCR2/
08:43 AM jthornton: I wonder if that might be better
08:43 AM methods_: give the chicken some gunz and program it to take out intruders while your at it
08:43 AM methods_: maybe a flame thrower
08:44 AM methods_: that could backfire pretty quick though
08:44 AM methods_: i'm not givin my chickens flame throwers ever again
08:44 AM Lcvette: Look at this on eBay
08:44 AM Lcvette: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F182345608028
08:44 AM jthornton: they would just scream like little girls and run in circles lol
08:45 AM jthornton: yea something with a through shaft I can sense the shaft is retracted
08:45 AM Lcvette: Perfect those door actuators are perfect
08:49 AM jthornton: hmm they are dc motor actuators I like that better than the coil type
08:49 AM XXCoder: that looks simple to use
08:50 AM XXCoder: heck it can be default locked, just closing door it would lock autoamtically
08:50 AM jthornton: yea a couple of micro switches to sense when open/locked
08:51 AM jthornton: door must have no friction as it goes down or it stops
08:51 AM jthornton: hmmm I smell bacon
09:05 AM fragalot: hi
09:06 AM gloops: afternoon
09:12 AM fragalot: just finished giving the schaublin an enema
09:12 AM fragalot: turns out that doing that on a 50yr old mill can be quite filthy :P
09:13 AM gloops: steam?
09:14 AM fragalot: petroleum, brush & elbow grease
09:15 AM fragalot: (brush being an old toothbrush bent in the right shape as there is no access point other than the 1/2" drain plug)
09:17 AM flyback: mabye you should solvent wash it
09:17 AM flyback: fagalot
09:17 AM flyback: err fragalot
09:17 AM fragalot: I don't want to do that as I don't know what seals are used inside of the ram
09:18 AM fragalot: or the pump
09:18 AM flyback: ah
09:18 AM * JT-Shop needs to clean out the CHNC coolant tank... yuck
09:18 AM fragalot: I basically flushed around 60 litres of petroleum through it repeatedly until it came out clean
09:18 AM fragalot: JT-Shop: my favorite job xD
09:19 AM gloops: thinners is good for grease
09:19 AM flyback: that crc qd electronic cleaner is good for washing out *CANUCKED* lube
09:19 AM gloops: so long as you dont spark a cig up
09:19 AM flyback: yeah don't spark with qd either
09:19 AM flyback: or you will be *CANUCKED*
09:20 AM * flyback rubs gloops against the explosion
09:20 AM Loetmichel: maaan, can soeone plese explain to me how the chinese make it possible that a wood chisel made of "steel" loses his edge when used to pry open welded plastic (power brick) enclosures? Chips out like glass on an bad cut... (that "shell" chipping) :-(
09:20 AM * gloops rubs his singed eyebrows off
09:20 AM gloops: lol Loetmichel
09:21 AM fragalot: lol
09:21 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: because you're doing it on a high quality glass filled nylon case? :D
09:22 AM gloops: obviously need to start buying chinese tubs
09:22 AM Loetmichel: nope cheap as fu** dell Notebook PSUs... simple Polycarbonate without any reinforcement
09:24 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: I thought they needed some form of glass filling to get the temperature rating up high enough?
09:24 AM Loetmichel: dosent seem so
09:24 AM Loetmichel: it says just "PC" on the inside on the recycling embossment
09:27 AM flyback: china could chink jesus
09:27 AM flyback: he would fail to save us
09:27 AM flyback: when they were done
09:28 AM flyback: tyhere's plenty of good china companies and there's plenty of assholes
09:28 AM flyback: goes for everything in life
09:31 AM flyback: Loetmichel,
09:31 AM flyback: are you sure it's not glass fiber reinforced plastic
09:31 AM flyback: thaty could be canucking the knife edge
09:32 AM Loetmichel: flyback: as said: it designated "PC on the internal recycling encgraving
09:32 AM Loetmichel: nor PCR
09:32 AM flyback: ah
09:33 AM flyback: that shit is awesome btw
09:33 AM Loetmichel: bit even then: Stelle that breaks with "shelling" is probably WAY to hard...
09:33 AM flyback: just adding glass particles makes the plastic like 10x stronger
09:33 AM flyback: that's just craz
09:33 AM Loetmichel: steel
09:33 AM Loetmichel: not stelle
09:33 AM flyback: have you seen foamed aluminum
09:34 AM flyback: guy had his hand on one side, plasma cutter on the other
09:34 AM Loetmichel: yes
09:34 AM Loetmichel: funny stuff
09:35 AM flyback: I reaLLY like ceramics
09:35 AM flyback: brittle
09:35 AM flyback: fragile
09:36 AM flyback: but they can take heat where metals evaporate
09:36 AM flyback: like noything
09:36 AM gloops: i still have no high density foam hack
09:36 AM gloops: hdu is too expensive
09:37 AM gloops: thinking of trying wood dust mixed with resin
09:40 AM flyback: wonder if you could 3d print ceramic
09:40 AM XXCoder: sure
09:41 AM flyback: gloops, they sell that as deck lumber here
09:41 AM XXCoder: just print then bake
09:41 AM flyback: wood mised with recycled garbage bags and shopping bags
09:41 AM flyback: doesn't rot
09:41 AM XXCoder: it does rot
09:41 AM XXCoder: jus much slower
09:41 AM gloops: flybook wood dust/resin? or foam?
09:41 AM flyback: wood scrap dust and plastic reccling
09:41 AM flyback: it's called trex
09:41 AM XXCoder: sun damages duck and wood rots as its exposed but it lasts 10 times longer or better
09:42 AM gloops: yeah they do it here for fencing, i want something in sheets that can be routed for outdoor signs
09:42 AM flyback: if you 3d printed a ceramic fixture I bet you could engineer a really good combustion cyclefor a burner
09:42 AM gloops: the proper hdu stuff is too expensive
09:42 AM XXCoder: I saw deck made in that wood that was years old, certainly look older but still "less than year old" for regular wood look
09:42 AM flyback: or reaction chamber for high temp catalysts
09:43 AM flyback: that would be insteresting for dealing with toxic gases
09:43 AM flyback: nerve agents like vx
09:43 AM flyback: usually destroyed by high temp processes
09:47 AM flyback: hmm that really would be instersting
09:48 AM flyback: giant spiral reaction chamber
09:49 AM flyback: speaking of reaction chambers
09:49 AM flyback: having a bowel attack episode, bbl :/
09:52 AM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPQbKTJPsU4
09:58 AM XXCoder: that is cool
10:00 AM pink_vampire: i'm wondering if linuxcnc caqn drive s machine like that, and if there is cam programs for wire bender
10:00 AM XXCoder: drive machine yes, cam for it? dunno?
10:08 AM pink_vampire: https://youtu.be/kvkO_If3UVg?t=150 ouch
10:09 AM XXCoder: lol
10:10 AM XXCoder: coworker acciently spin spindle 1000 rpm while dial indictor was still being held
10:10 AM XXCoder: it flew across machine and shattered dial
10:10 AM pink_vampire: O_O
10:10 AM XXCoder: it was repaired and works fine
10:12 AM XXCoder: 6:23 we use one for 4 robo machines. very expensive
10:13 AM syyl: i dont like the haimers
10:13 AM XXCoder: we also use it for measuring tool lengths, we set it pointing upwards on rock with 123 blocks, then push down probe with height indictor to 0 - 0, then lower it to its length down, then zero height indictor
10:13 AM syyl: they are less accurate than one expects
10:13 AM XXCoder: then can use height indictor to measure tools till done
10:13 AM XXCoder: syyl: haimers?
10:14 AM syyl: the 3d taster
10:14 AM syyl: they are made by haimer
10:14 AM XXCoder: ahh i dont know what brand one at work is. looks similiar
10:15 AM XXCoder: pink_vampire: the one that can spin and dial stays facing you is awesome, but not worth money. I just bought up-facing dial indictor and steel C clamp and i can see dial all way around.
10:16 AM syyl: dial test indicator is imo the most accurate and reliable thing to use
10:16 AM XXCoder: indeed
10:16 AM XXCoder: someone has .0001" marks one. insane
10:16 AM XXCoder: both of mine is .0005"
10:17 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: just make a probe
10:17 AM syyl: thats the standard here - 0,01mm
10:17 AM XXCoder: cant make em at work must use certified tools
10:17 AM pink_vampire: I like the one that screw on the spindle
10:17 AM pink_vampire: like a V-block
10:18 AM syyl: even if i have a renishaw probe in the machine at work, i still like to use a DTI for critical jobs
10:18 AM syyl: as i can actually see whats happening, not just get a beep from the probe ;)
10:18 AM syyl: pink_vampire, like this?
10:18 AM syyl: http://gtwr.de/projects/pro_indicatorclamp/pro_spindelklemme_17.JPG
10:19 AM XXCoder: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/21wfd7OjcjL.jpg I use this all time
10:19 AM XXCoder: I bought one for $80
10:19 AM syyl: i had to make one ;)
10:20 AM XXCoder: at work i simply cant trust tools not to have backlash if I buy cheap so I have good ones
10:20 AM syyl: made it at the time with tapered seats
10:20 AM syyl: http://gtwr.de/projects/pro_indicatorclamp/render2.jpg
10:21 AM XXCoder: tapered to lock with tightning?
10:22 AM syyl: yes
10:22 AM syyl: and i added a bellville washer under the screws
10:22 AM XXCoder: interesting. well gonna go to bed insomia sucks
10:22 AM syyl: so i can have it be adjustable without any play
10:22 AM syyl: gn8
10:22 AM XXCoder: thats actually better than mine, as mine very slowly loosens
10:23 AM XXCoder: slow enough to not worry but yeah lol
10:23 AM XXCoder: laters
10:24 AM pink_vampire: syyl: yeah that stile!
10:24 AM pink_vampire: style*
10:44 AM fragalot: syyl: FP42NC budget got approved, going to check it out in 2 weeks. :-)
11:28 AM flyback: wait
11:28 AM flyback: so they use aluminum for diver tanks since it's lightweight
11:28 AM flyback: how do they dive in saltwater oceans
11:30 AM fragalot: flyback: they typically strap said tanks to their backs and fall off the boat backwards
11:31 AM flyback: BMCC
11:31 AM flyback: BITE MY "CANUCK"..............................CANUCK
11:31 AM * flyback smacks fragalot in the face with rue_mohr
11:32 AM fragalot: flyback: what? you asked.
12:06 PM gloops: https://www.facebook.com/ONITofficial/photos/a.1462629957373081/1936545303314875/?type=3&theater
12:06 PM gloops: those things never work for me, but that one does
12:08 PM syyl_: perfect fragalot
12:08 PM syyl_: congrats
12:08 PM fragalot: :)
12:08 PM syyl_: when you pick it up, take a detour to southern germany ;)
12:09 PM fragalot: it's in the south east
12:09 PM Tom_itx: pink_vampire, local link
12:10 PM * fragalot knows pink_vampire's username on her PC now
12:10 PM pink_vampire: hehe
12:11 PM Tom_itx: password is bound to be pink something
12:11 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
12:12 PM fragalot: or vampiric
12:16 PM fragalot: y'know.. if your spindle only has a labyrinth seal, and calls for fairly runny oil.. you're gonna have a bad time if the first time you switch it on again is at 2000rpm
12:16 PM pink_vampire: ok, new password was set
12:16 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: is it "roz" ?
12:16 PM pink_vampire: it was 123456 LOL :(
12:16 PM SpeedEvil: fragalot: keep your pump hand strong.
12:19 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: Indeed. modified a piston grease pump today to use with it
12:19 PM fragalot: seems to work well judging by the amount of oil gushing out the bottom, lol
12:21 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: the drill press' table is 14mm. Exactly the size of set I gave away recently. :D
12:48 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: That sounds perfect :D
12:48 PM miss0r|office: RIght up your alley for luck, that is ;)
12:49 PM miss0r|office: Also, when you look up "common danish names" to try'n pull a trick on me, make sure you pick one that was popular 'back then' and not last year ;) I know noone by that name
01:36 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: I could not find a historical record of 1988 xD
01:37 PM miss0r|office: 1987...
01:37 PM miss0r|office: But yeah :)
01:37 PM fragalot: close enoug
01:37 PM fragalot: h
01:37 PM miss0r|office: I guess :) Not even close, so you get a cigar.
01:37 PM miss0r|office: THat is how it works, right? :P
01:38 PM * fragalot lights it and puts it on miss0r|office's compressor intake
01:39 PM miss0r|office: hehe
01:39 PM miss0r|office: That'd make a mess
01:39 PM miss0r|office: I took up my Land-Rover project again
01:39 PM miss0r|office: Looking at all the parts that still needs ordering
01:41 PM CaptHindsight: aluminum body Land Rover?
01:41 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: typically they're 90% paint
01:41 PM fragalot: held together with rust
01:42 PM miss0r|office: CaptHindsight: the one and same
01:42 PM miss0r|office: well.. it is as fragalot states
01:42 PM CaptHindsight: https://cf-img.autorevo.com/1971-land-rover-aluminum-body-los-angeles-ca-5692508/1600x1600/1234431-0-large.jpg?1538416678
01:43 PM CaptHindsight: USPS is failing me now, 2-day Priority has become 9-day
01:44 PM gloops: youll never have any regrets with a landy
01:44 PM CaptHindsight: hurricane shmuricane
01:44 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: lol
01:49 PM miss0r|office: :D
01:52 PM fragalot: at least you now have a youtube mentor to guide you through it
01:52 PM fragalot: the kind that has a small hydraulic press and refuses to use it
01:52 PM miss0r|office: Hehe. yeah, he does alot of stuff that I would never do the same way ;D
01:52 PM gloops: even better when the nuts havent seen a spanner for 8 years
01:53 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: But honnestly, he is probally what got me started thinking about takung up the project again
01:53 PM miss0r|office: but mentor; meh
01:54 PM fragalot: xD
01:57 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: do you plan to store the keys for it in your safe?
01:58 PM miss0r|office: I'm not sure my safe is considered secure enough
01:58 PM miss0r|office: I think I'll omit the starter motor and only have the hand crank. That will sort out any modern criminals :D
02:00 PM miss0r|office: Especially junkies - No way they have the force needed to crank start that thing :D
02:01 PM fragalot: don't underestimate drug strength
02:01 PM miss0r|office: Don't underestimate the brute force needed to crankstart an old land rover.
02:01 PM miss0r|office: Not to mention the technique. I'm not sure they teach you that at crime school anymore :D
02:02 PM fragalot: I'll give you technique. :D
02:02 PM gregcnc: how often do they actually start?
02:03 PM miss0r|office: well.. I haven't started this for 8 years. 4 days ago I started it on the second manual crank
02:03 PM miss0r|office: So.. once every 8 years
02:03 PM fragalot: xD
02:04 PM gregcnc: does it have a mag or was a battery necessary?
02:04 PM miss0r|office: As my dad used to say: "You know its gonna be a good day, if your landrover starts in the first try.. or even start"
02:04 PM miss0r|office: a mag? :S
02:04 PM miss0r|office: I has a battery
02:05 PM fragalot: at least you have an actual crank
02:05 PM fragalot: the trabant required you to jack up ONE of the front wheels & spin it by hand
02:06 PM miss0r|office: realy? :D
02:06 PM fragalot: yeah, it's described in the service manual I have for it :D
02:06 PM miss0r|office: LOL!
02:06 PM miss0r|office: That doesn't seem realy safe
02:06 PM fragalot: well they propose you tilt the car & prop it up with a 2x4 to get underneath it
02:06 PM fragalot: for some other things
02:07 PM miss0r|office: sounds too slav for my taste :)
02:07 PM fragalot: :D
02:25 PM flyback: BMCC
02:26 PM * flyback puntcunts ve7it
02:26 PM ve7it: hey... that sounds like fun
02:27 PM gregcnc: why https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/albertgajsak/makerphone-an-educational-diy-mobile-phone
02:28 PM Tom_L: to make money
02:28 PM miss0r2: I wantz onez!
02:28 PM miss0r2: OMG!!!111
02:28 PM miss0r2: :)
02:29 PM miss0r2: okay.. I realy do want one :)
02:30 PM Tom_L: talk about butt dialing...
02:52 PM fragalot: whatever happened to the openmoko
02:55 PM pfred1: they closed?
02:59 PM SpeedEvil: fragalot: I have a rant on that.
02:59 PM SpeedEvil: (I was involved)
03:00 PM SpeedEvil: http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=48734&start=40#p1879299
03:00 PM SpeedEvil: 'Openmoko is a perfect example of how not to do an 'open source - community involved project'.'
03:01 PM SpeedEvil: They could have had a basic featurephone in xmas 2007, with X, and linux, and ... They tried to go for nice and polished, while utterly failing and taking bad advice.
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: for about 2 weeks we tried to work with someone from that group who was more or less in charge...
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: maybe 4 years ago when they made their last "upgrade" board to swap out your older model
03:03 PM SpeedEvil: That was not corporate openmoko.
03:03 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: I did have a similar impression when I first played around with one at Fosdem eons ago
03:04 PM Rab: I guess that MAKERphone is just a backplane for a bunch of expensive breakout boards.
03:04 PM SpeedEvil: The real thing that put the nail in the coffin of any serious community upgrade efforts was the nokia n900.
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: yeah a toy to play or learn with
03:05 PM SpeedEvil: It was reasonably open-source, and you could do most interesting linuxy stuff you'd want to do on it, and because of mass production, the hardware cost was a tiny fraction of what a small volume product would be.
03:05 PM SpeedEvil: Of course, nokia then proceeded several years later to kill that line.
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: the n900 was also buggy
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: I picked up a few new old stock while in Hong Kong a few years ago
03:07 PM SpeedEvil: The n900 was a hell of a lot less buggy than OM.
03:08 PM * JT-Shop wonders what angle my Wusthof needs to be sharpened at?
03:09 PM fragalot: JT-Shop: 14* per side
03:09 PM Tom_L: 14 degrees per side
03:09 PM fragalot: unless if it's one of their asian style blades
03:09 PM CaptHindsight: let me guess each side 14 degrees :)
03:10 PM Tom_L: On Wüsthof European-Style knives, the blade edge angle has been reduced to 28 degrees (14 degrees per side), while Asian-style Santoku, Nakiri and Chai Dao knives have a blade edge angle of 20 degrees (10 degrees per side). PEtec is 20% sharper with twice the edge retention.
03:10 PM fragalot: Tom_L: Did you know that Wusthof also offers a low-cost profesisonal mail-in sharpening service?
03:10 PM Tom_L: nope
03:10 PM pfred1: I sharpen my own Henckels knives
03:11 PM pfred1: I have some special made for Hoffritz cryo treated ones
03:11 PM pfred1: they're kind of hard
03:12 PM JT-Shop: fragalot: thanks
03:12 PM fragalot: nothing a coticule couldn't handle. :)
03:12 PM pfred1: I've sharpened a lot of steel and these are noticably harder
03:12 PM fragalot: as long as they don't chip
03:12 PM pfred1: including a lot of other Solingen steel
03:13 PM CaptHindsight: ever been to Solingen?
03:13 PM pfred1: which is by far my favorite
03:13 PM CaptHindsight: lots of knife stores
03:13 PM pfred1: I've been keeping them in business over the years
03:13 PM pfred1: best knives i nthe world
03:14 PM pfred1: jap laminated steel does nothing for me
03:14 PM CaptHindsight: well German
03:14 PM CaptHindsight: except for wars they make good stuff
03:14 PM pfred1: I have some Sweedish pliers they're really nice
03:15 PM pfred1: Lindstrom
03:15 PM CaptHindsight: only has some Sweedish Fish
03:15 PM CaptHindsight: cherry
03:15 PM pfred1: I have an ancient Cherry iron horn plane
03:15 PM CaptHindsight: off to the beverage depot
03:15 PM pfred1: two cherries
03:16 PM pfred1: I don't think they've made plane irons in over 100 years
03:17 PM pfred1: it turns out I don't particularly care for horn planes though
03:17 PM fragalot: I typically don't really look past Knipex any more for pliers if i'm honest
03:17 PM pfred1: channellock is good enough for me
03:17 PM fragalot: though I do have some lindstrom pliers on my electronics bench
03:17 PM pfred1: though I have a thing for old Ithica pliers too
03:18 PM fragalot: I've tried channellock. they're mediocre
03:18 PM fragalot: feel really gritty when new
03:18 PM pfred1: I never buy them new
03:19 PM pfred1: I am set for life with pliers now
03:19 PM fragalot: originally my main reason to get only knipex was that that was the only non-cheese brand local shops carry
03:19 PM pfred1: yeah I buy tools used at yard sales and flea markets
03:20 PM fragalot: until I tried some other brands like facom (our equivalent of snap-on) and.. eh. back to knipex :D
03:20 PM pfred1: I pay from 25 cents to mayne a couple bucks for a pair of pliers
03:20 PM pfred1: if i don't just get a mess in a box for $5 or so
03:20 PM fragalot: deals like that are very uncommon here
03:21 PM phaxx: my favourite wire snips, not exactly pliers, are made by Erem and they're fantastic.
03:21 PM pfred1: you have to play the law of high numbers
03:21 PM phaxx: also fantastically expensive.
03:21 PM fragalot: IF you find a vendor that has tools, they're typically in a state beyond repair
03:21 PM pfred1: when something is uncommon you have to increase the value by just going to a lot of sales
03:22 PM fragalot: pfred1: finding said sales is like finding a needle in a haystack
03:22 PM pfred1: I walked into a basement once that was just jam packed with machinists tools
03:22 PM pfred1: every time I went up to the girl with another handful of stuff she's day give me $3
03:22 PM fragalot: they are not advertised, I don't know of any tooling specific ones.. you just 'find' a single vendor that has maybe 2 to 3 tools on his little table
03:23 PM pfred1: mitotoyo depth gauges parallels you name it
03:23 PM pfred1: give me $3
03:23 PM fragalot: nice
03:23 PM Rab: pfred1, epic
03:23 PM pfred1: the trouble was I was in the process of moving out of state at the time so I had to limit myself
03:24 PM pfred1: I still took a few handfuls up to her that day
03:24 PM pfred1: I bet the next day I could have got it all for $100 though
03:24 PM pfred1: it's out there
03:25 PM pfred1: heck my old home town I used to find tools at the dumps
03:25 PM pfred1: people threw them out
03:25 PM fragalot: in the states where home shops are more common perhaps
03:25 PM pfred1: I got a kick ass vise at the dumps once
03:26 PM pfred1: a nice old drawer tool chest and another time a mid box to go with it
03:26 PM pfred1: one of my Kennedy machinists chests came out of the dumps
03:26 PM pfred1: it is missing the latch but I never close it
03:27 PM pfred1: how can you say no?
03:28 PM pfred1: yesterday I got a bit ripped off I bought a MIB Drill Doctor for $10
03:29 PM pfred1: but it isn't one of the better models it is only a 350X
03:29 PM pfred1: so new it went for $50-$70
03:29 PM jthornton: Mangled In Box?
03:29 PM pfred1: stiull the guy never took it out of the box
03:29 PM pfred1: nope he never opened it
03:30 PM pfred1: well he opened the top flap but that's ad far as he ever got he never actually pulled the tool out
03:30 PM pfred1: I can tell it was in there since the factory
03:32 PM pfred1: now I've heard good and bad about these Drill Doctor things but for $10 I figured I'd see for myself
03:42 PM JT-Shop: drill doctor's have never shown me much
03:54 PM pfred1: I probably won't like it much but I figure I'll give it a shot
03:54 PM pfred1: might end up like how i use my pitbull
03:54 PM pfred1: just use it to even a drill up then hand finish it
04:00 PM Deejay: gn8
04:04 PM gloops: hmm afd make big gains in bavaria, establishment parties 22 points down from 2013
05:54 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX8rqq0-TbQ
06:03 PM jthornton: dang I think I finally found the jumper on this digole oled for i2c
06:04 PM Tom_L: heh
06:04 PM Tom_L: for the thermostat?
06:04 PM flyback: those are cool btw
06:04 PM flyback: oled lcd's with simple serial busses
06:05 PM flyback: might not be very fast
06:05 PM flyback: but fun
06:05 PM flyback: you can attach them to anything
06:05 PM Tom_L: no lcd is fast
06:05 PM flyback: cool
06:06 PM flyback: yeah guy who wrote firmware for those china floppy emulators that suck
06:06 PM flyback: that don't suck after his firmware
06:06 PM flyback: put in code for those lcd's
06:07 PM jthornton: Tom_L: yea, I have a few of them but never sorted out how to make the work on the i2c
06:09 PM jthornton: time for a bowl of Texas Red
06:11 PM pink_vampire: any idea how to cut internal ball joint?
06:14 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F22IBTB3cxY
06:15 PM pink_vampire: amazing! that is smart!
06:26 PM XXCoder: wow
06:26 PM XXCoder: flyback: floppy drive emulator eh
06:26 PM XXCoder: one of those that uses ssd and has disks 1 to 99?
06:27 PM flyback: usb or sd
06:27 PM flyback: the guy even wrote a modplayer for it
06:27 PM flyback: just to show off
06:27 PM flyback: cause the china one uses a stm32
06:29 PM XXCoder: lol ok
06:29 PM XXCoder: i just wish theres a cheap way to make nes cart for any rom
06:29 PM XXCoder: basically flash game and play
06:29 PM flyback: he had his own hw too but he's in france, it's made in poland its going to be expensive
06:29 PM flyback: he only asks $10 for a fw for a $20 china floppy
06:33 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: That method of maching balls is fairly well known.
06:34 PM andypugh: (though I haven’t seen it for internal spheres before)
06:34 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: The other (very easy) way is to use a ball-ended end-mill
06:35 PM pink_vampire: andypugh: that was my first idea
06:37 PM Tom_L: i was gonna suggest that until i saw the video
06:38 PM andypugh: And then there is the reallly hard way, CNC boring head: https://photos.app.goo.gl/gBKkeDsfZoybYBLEA
06:38 PM andypugh: (Bit AFAIK only one person in the world has one of those and it doesn’t work properly.
06:39 PM Tom_L: what's the db25 for?
06:39 PM pink_vampire: encoder?
06:39 PM andypugh: To drive the servo that controls the radius…
06:40 PM Tom_L: doesn't follow the radius well?
06:40 PM andypugh: The servo is a bit weak.
06:40 PM Tom_L: ahh
06:40 PM Tom_L: that's not the motor you were working on some time back is it?
06:41 PM andypugh: That’s the one. Scratch-built: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yA46KGK1pbUWVZ3f7
06:41 PM Tom_L: wondered wtf that was gonna be for :)
07:19 PM XXCoder: andypugh: huuuh boring head with parallel
07:19 PM XXCoder: how do it work? because wouldnt it spin? or is there anti-twist there?
07:21 PM andypugh: Ah, well, you see, it contains possibly the best idea I ever had.
07:21 PM andypugh: There are two encoders, one measures spindle revs and the other motor revs, and the PID works on the difference.
07:22 PM andypugh: I did hope it would make me money, but apparenlty not.
07:22 PM XXCoder: would be handy for engraving head
07:22 PM XXCoder: turn spin of spindle into tapping
07:23 PM XXCoder: without having anything to keep part from rotatin
07:24 PM XXCoder: nowdays more and more just stright milling engrave rather than tapping so probably end up not selling well either dunno
07:25 PM andypugh: I have used the boring head for threading, and if the servo had worked properly then multi-pass would have been an option.
07:26 PM andypugh: (I have shown this before, so you have probably seen it already) https://youtu.be/i4fTythQj5s?t=60
07:40 PM Tom_L: not sure what got me wanting to try thread milling but it's kinda fun
07:43 PM andypugh: That’s not technically thread-milling
07:43 PM andypugh: It’s inverted lathe threading
07:43 PM Tom_L: yeah but similar
07:44 PM Tom_L: how many passes did that take?
07:44 PM andypugh: I have forgotten, but the video is all of it
07:46 PM Tom_L: sadly i didn't watch it all the way
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/mRWAFOQKHKI?t=309
08:10 PM Tom_L: 36°F Lo 31
08:12 PM CaptHindsight: was 80F a week ago, now down to below 32F at night
08:12 PM CaptHindsight: looks like low 50's until November
08:13 PM CaptHindsight: we get about 2 weeks a year of 60's
08:25 PM CaptHindsight: KAKA Industrial Sheet Metal Notcher
08:25 PM CaptHindsight: a name you can trust
08:25 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/KAKA-Industrial-HN3-102-11-Gauge-Capacity/dp/B015KKD3TE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=10101005-20&linkId=4c0a9e5a96282526fed0febc6f4550f0&language=en_US
08:26 PM infornography: O_O
08:27 PM CaptHindsight: lots of it https://www.ebay.com/str/kakaindustrialllc
08:27 PM infornography: good looking notcher tho
08:31 PM andypugh: it’s not cheap for what I can see, so perhaps it is made of good materials?
08:35 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.kakaindustrial.ca/collections/shearing/products/sheet-metal-manual-corner-notcher-hn-3-102
08:35 PM CaptHindsight: Thickness 0.118"mild steel
08:38 PM CaptHindsight: only 16 ga $959 https://www.trick-tools.com/JET-FN-16-16-Gauge-Corner-Notcher-11527
08:38 PM CaptHindsight: 11ga like the KAKA but $2650 https://www.southern-tool.com/store/baileigh-sn-f11-an.php
08:41 PM jesseg: howwdy folks
08:41 PM infornography: ello
08:48 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: yo
08:51 PM skunkworks: Jymmm: you still around?
08:55 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: yoyo
09:53 PM infornography: ello
09:53 PM infornography: yes, more of that please
10:19 PM Tom_L: first snow of the year
10:21 PM infornography: just rain here, lots of rain