#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 21 2018

12:51 AM Vq: Good morning
02:38 AM Deejay: moin
03:55 AM XXCoder: dang 12 hours of silence
04:00 AM Jin|away is now known as Jin^eLD
04:00 AM Jin^eLD: mornin
04:00 AM XXCoder: good night. its 2 am lol
04:00 AM Jin^eLD: hehe
04:00 AM Jin^eLD: nice offset :)
04:00 AM Jin^eLD: shift change ;)
04:01 AM XXCoder: left work a little early, normally 145 am but left 1:20 am
04:01 AM XXCoder: got dizzy and sick
04:01 AM sensille: been too close to HexaCube?
04:02 AM XXCoder: yep 6 sided polyagons forming a cube makes me dizzy
04:12 AM XXCoder: 6 hexagons making a cube
04:58 AM jthornton: morning
05:01 AM Jin^eLD: mornin
05:04 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:22 AM Tom_L: morning
05:22 AM jthornton: one more hot day here then the rains start
05:22 AM Tom_L: 69�F Hi 71 and rain
05:26 AM pink_vampire: is there a way to do "undo" to homing or touch off?
05:27 AM jthornton: yea if your using Axis it's in the menu
05:27 AM Tom_L: really?
05:27 AM jthornton: would I lie?
05:27 AM Tom_L: hrm...
05:28 AM pink_vampire: i mean to go back to the previous value
05:28 AM Tom_L: that's what we're talking about i think
05:28 AM jthornton: the previous value of homing is not homed...
05:29 AM pink_vampire: no if you re-home an axis
05:29 AM Tom_L: i've been saving work offsets i need to keep in ones i'm not using
05:29 AM jthornton: why would you home an axis again?
05:29 AM Tom_L: if you hit something
05:30 AM Tom_L: as an example
05:30 AM Tom_L: not so much on a servo system as a stepper
05:30 AM jthornton: for a stepper system and lost steps sure just home the axis again
05:31 AM pink_vampire: hit the ring axis by mistake
05:31 AM pink_vampire: wrong*
05:31 AM XXCoder: yeah can unhome its pretty strightforward
05:32 AM Tom_L: wonder what else i've not bothered to use...
05:34 AM pink_vampire: i know you can "unhome" but i want to just go back to the value i had before
05:34 AM jthornton: that value is lost in space
05:34 AM pink_vampire: it is mor important for me for touch off
05:34 AM jthornton: you must write it down
05:35 AM pink_vampire: it is complicated to add like a text file or log of the homing / touch off values?
05:35 AM jthornton: yes and no
05:36 AM jthornton: do you make that mistake often?
05:36 AM pink_vampire: what do you mean?
05:36 AM pink_vampire: yeah
05:37 AM jthornton: well you could use a log file and that is easy
05:37 AM jthornton: if you want it to happen by magic that is not easy
05:38 AM pink_vampire: how do i enable the log file?
05:39 AM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/overview.html#_logging
05:41 AM pink_vampire: i need to close linux cnc for that?
05:43 AM pink_vampire: lat 2 cuts on this large sos project
05:43 AM pink_vampire: last*
05:45 AM jthornton: close linuxcnc to log? I don't understand that
05:46 AM jthornton: anyone want to try the position logger? https://github.com/jethornton/position-logger/tree/master/position_logger
05:48 AM pink_vampire: what is "the position logger"
05:48 AM jthornton: packaging python programs is such a pain in the rear... deb, wheel. pip and none very well documented
05:49 AM Tom_L: for your config program?
05:49 AM jthornton: well this version you jog to a position then select the type of move G0, G1, G2, G3 and press the log button and it creates the G code to duplicat it
05:50 AM Tom_L: ahh
05:50 AM jthornton: no, a while back I ran across the teach-in script so I re-did it in gtk and now I just did it over in pyqt
05:50 AM jthornton: with addition features like the ability to generate arc G code
05:51 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: I'm using HSM for making the gcode
05:52 AM sensille: how does linuxcnc handle the transition from a line to an arc?
05:52 AM Tom_L: start point is a given
05:52 AM jthornton: very well
05:53 AM sensille: decelerate to 0 and start again?
05:53 AM Tom_L: why would you decelerate? unless it's a hard corner
05:53 AM jthornton: only if you tell LinuxCNC to do that
05:53 AM sensille: so you don't need infinite acceleration
05:54 AM sensille: or deviate from the path
05:54 AM sensille: i'm just curious
05:54 AM jthornton: just depends on what you tell LinuxCNC to do at a corner
05:54 AM sensille: ah, makes sense
05:55 AM jthornton: a very short must read http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/user/user-concepts.html
06:05 AM emsjessec: hi
06:05 AM emsjessec: are there any good programs to convert a 3d model to gcode (like a 3d printer slicer) ?
06:07 AM sensille: what is wrong with a 3d printer slicer?
06:11 AM XXCoder: unless its for subtraction (ie: milling)
06:36 AM jthornton: just run it backwards lol\
06:37 AM XXCoder: suck up metal
06:37 AM XXCoder: man that would be awesome, making filiment of metal when "unprinting"
06:37 AM XXCoder: then use it to print something
06:37 AM jthornton: ah that's just steel wool
06:38 AM * jthornton goes for another 12 mile ride in the woods this morning... last one for a week or so with the rains coming
06:41 AM XXCoder: fun
09:26 AM pink_vampire: emsjessec: I'm using HSM
09:28 AM pink_vampire: but for machining you need to make tool-paths according to your machine and your available cutting tools (drills, endmills, facemills etc..)
09:28 AM pink_vampire: emsjessec: ^
09:30 AM pink_vampire: for example I had to make 8mm hole in aluminum bar, but may main spindle is down for upgrade so I had to use my high speed spindle for that, and my biggest tool was 1/8" end mill (3.175mm) so, I had to do pocket operation with it just to drill that 8mm hole.
09:32 AM pink_vampire: this is why there is no "slicer" or magic way to convert 3d model to G code, you need to defined your tools, and what and how you want to cut the material.
11:33 AM fragalot: hey
11:35 AM CaptHindsight: sup
12:00 PM Jin^eLD: how does one go about customizing gmoccapy? in the sim the spindle control slider seems to be very vfd oriented and works in percent, I was not yet able to figure out how to change it
12:00 PM JT-Shop: start out with gscreen
12:01 PM Jin^eLD: is gscreen part of gmoccapy? I know there's pyvcp, gladevcp, gmoccapy...
12:02 PM Jin^eLD: where's gscreen in that list?
12:02 PM Jin^eLD: trying to understand the relations
12:02 PM JT-Shop: what list?
12:02 PM Jin^eLD: "list" of UI possibilities
12:03 PM Jin^eLD: is gscreen "another" UI or is gscreen part of gmoccapy?
12:03 PM JT-Shop: pyvcp and gladevcp are not gui's
12:03 PM JT-Shop: gscreen is the base of gmoccapy
12:03 PM Jin^eLD: but you can make guis with pyvcp?
12:03 PM JT-Shop: super simple one perhaps
12:04 PM Jin^eLD: ok, so gmoccapy uses gscreen and just builds elements on top, did I get that right?
12:04 PM JT-Shop: aye
12:05 PM JT-Shop: don't forget about the gui hazzy
12:05 PM Jin^eLD: background of my question: my friend wanted to base his UI on gmoccapy but has to adapt it to his machine somehow, so we were looking at easiest ways to do it
12:05 PM Jin^eLD: gui hazzy?
12:07 PM Jin^eLD: found it
12:07 PM hazzy: Jin^eLD: https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/qtpyvcp
12:07 PM hazzy: Not completed yet, but getting very close
12:07 PM JT-Shop: lol you are fast!
12:07 PM hazzy: It is a toolkit fot building GUIs
12:08 PM Jin^eLD: :)
12:08 PM * JT-Shop goes back to work
12:08 PM hazzy: Jin^eLD: This is an example of a GUI built with it in this thread: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/34996-another-gui-project-underway?start=70
12:09 PM Jin^eLD: my friend is not a coder, I was hoping to find something he would be able to tune via config files or so, I already did the gearshift comp, but I don't feel like diving into UIs, especially since I am about to get back from my holidays so I'll spend more time learning to turn (bought a lathe before I left)
12:09 PM hazzy: Jin^eLD: No coding needed, it is all drag and drop
12:09 PM Jin^eLD: wow
12:10 PM Jin^eLD: that'd be exactly what he needs :)
12:10 PM Jin^eLD: the screenshot looks very nice
12:10 PM Jin^eLD: actually a lot nicer than gmoccapy
12:11 PM hazzy: The guy how made that GUI had never done any coding :)
12:11 PM hazzy: who*
12:12 PM Jin^eLD: cool
12:12 PM JT-Shop: yea that looks real nice
12:12 PM Jin^eLD: forwarded the links to my friend
12:12 PM * JT-Shop needs to see if he can finger out how to do that
12:13 PM hazzy: The toolkit is not quite ready for prime time, but in a month or so it should be stable enough for some beta testers
12:14 PM * JT-Shop straps on a 9mm to walk to the mailbox
12:14 PM Jin^eLD: mhh, 2.8 pre master, taht won't compile on Fedora yet, doh... looks like I will still need to put in some effort before he can use it :)
12:15 PM Jin^eLD: and then also walk hin through compiling qtpyvcp
12:16 PM hazzy: I already have a branch that installs using pip, but need to clean it up a bit before adding it to master
12:17 PM Jin^eLD: oh, its all python? I thought C++ when I saw qt
12:17 PM hazzy: Yes, it is all python
12:18 PM Jin^eLD: ok, cool, that makes it simplier, although I got him through compiling linuxcnc, so he is not scared following instructions, just a bit difficult because he never really used Linux before
12:19 PM hazzy: I have to go rebuild a hydraulic pump, bbl
12:19 PM Jin^eLD: thanks for the pointers, good luck with the pump :)
12:26 PM Jin^eLD: I generally got the impression that there is one issue, probably not with linuxcnc itself, the community consists of two parts, the IT-guys/coders who like hacking LinuxCNC itself and machinists/engineers who know their machines but struggle with IT/computers/Linux and there's a gap inbetween
12:26 PM Jin^eLD: I may be wrong, but that's my impression from hanging around here for a month or so/following forums etc
12:30 PM fragalot: I find that observation to be spot on
12:30 PM fragalot: and it is a similar problem that exists across all FOSS projects
12:30 PM Jin^eLD: well, it depens on the project... there are a lot of projects that you just install and are happy with
12:31 PM fragalot: typically those are "this is what you get" ones
12:31 PM Jin^eLD: nah, LinuxCNC is just very special because of the hardware/machines involved
12:32 PM fragalot: any time there is any form of customizability that "It Just Works" philosophy just disappears
12:32 PM fragalot: linuxCNC indeed has that going against it :D
12:32 PM MarcelineVQ: Seems like part of the disconnect could be that when someone's telling you what they want, you feel like you're working for them, which is kind of a drag without pay :> This is one reason why software bounties are a really good idea
12:32 PM Jin^eLD: I was leading the MediaTomb UPnP server projects for several years (yeah, we abandoned it, shame on us), and we did a lot of highly customizable stuff, including some scripting support and so on, but a lot of people managed to use it, non coders, or they started sharing stuff so it was copy-paste for others
12:33 PM Jin^eLD: with LinuxCNC you can't copy-paste much because each machine is different and requires some targeted stuff
12:34 PM fragalot: humbug
12:34 PM fragalot: the 1.5m USB cables I bought turned out to be .15m
12:34 PM MarcelineVQ: that's quite a diff :X
12:34 PM fragalot: "off by one", lol
12:35 PM Jin^eLD: MarcelineVQ: that is very well possible... I mean, the comp I wrote, if I count all the spec discussions and all around it - it took a significant amount of time; now I did that because a friend asked me to and because I know he won't be able to say "no" when I want to mill something (we live in reach) :)
12:35 PM Jin^eLD: I doubt I would have been that invested just out of being bored...
12:35 PM Jin^eLD: usually you code something you can use yourself, then it's more motivation and fun somehow
12:36 PM Jin^eLD: here you have some random machine that you probably will never own yourself - would you invest a lot of time supporting it?
12:36 PM Jin^eLD: so I agree with you
12:39 PM Jin^eLD: MarcelineVQ: but then... a lot of people need to have the same machine and interest in supporting it to come up with a bounty :) and from what I see - we deal with a huge variety of "I picked that up at an auction!" stuff
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: I find that it's a combo of tired, lazy, lack of interest, not wanting to be the one to pay etc etc
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: why even bounty's don't work
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/09/21/0914242/it-just-seems-that-nobody-is-interested-in-building-quality-fast-efficient-lasting-foundational-stuff-anymore
01:04 PM Jin^eLD: CaptHindsight: well, if you look at this particular case with linuxcnc and machines... say you are not a company, you spent 2-3k on your machine, would you pay another 2k to hire an sw dev to write a comp for it? I doubt that...
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: no, I end up having to write or build most everything I need beyond what is available to me in the ISO, forums, mail list and discussions here
01:06 PM Jin^eLD: the article is good though, very valid points :)
01:08 PM Jin^eLD: CaptHindsight: my point earlier on was that only few of us can write or build what we need, but a lot of people are simply lost and have no chance... you can't just quickly learn C and code something if you never had to do anything with coding before
01:08 PM CaptHindsight: if there's a question about anything Linuxcnc, an answer is usually no more than a day away
01:08 PM CaptHindsight: it's pretty great
01:09 PM Jin^eLD: the support is great indeed, he got really a lot of help in the forums
01:09 PM gregcnc: the biggest thing i've observed about Linuxcnc is uh I don't know linux
01:09 PM Jin^eLD: but you won't find people who would code stuff for you :)
01:09 PM gregcnc: and people just want think they are getting something turnkey
01:09 PM Jin^eLD: gregcnc: that's the second point, yes
01:09 PM CaptHindsight: learn C, when i was a kid we had to learn everthing :)
01:10 PM CaptHindsight: it's the same with mach or the other controllers
01:10 PM Jin^eLD: CaptHindsight: it sounds easy to you and me, but I have just been through explaining a windows guy how to install linux, how to intsall packages, how to find dependencies, how to use git, how to stay in sync with what I do, how to compile and run it etc etc
01:11 PM gregcnc: the uncertainty of which box will work well is another, but for a bit of money (instead of paying for the software) you can get Mesa and it matters much less.
01:11 PM CaptHindsight: if it's not in the examples you're off coding
01:11 PM Jin^eLD: and it's the simple things that are already obstacles
01:11 PM Jin^eLD: what's a root user? whats a terminal? how do I go to another folder?
01:11 PM CaptHindsight: Jin^eLD: well technology is hard
01:12 PM gregcnc: i'ts like people don't know how to use google to get answers
01:12 PM gregcnc: google only returns kardashians latest
01:12 PM Jin^eLD: gregcnc: also a valid point, but I do undertsand when someone just gets overwhelmed by the amount of information that he needs to graps in a short amount of time
01:12 PM CaptHindsight: boobs + linux + C
01:12 PM Jin^eLD: its just too much at some point
01:12 PM Jin^eLD: I did not learn C in one day either :)
01:12 PM gregcnc: yes, but like most things unkown.....
01:13 PM Jin^eLD: and you can't expect someone who just wants to use his machine to become a programmer
01:13 PM CaptHindsight: off to buy servos
01:13 PM Jin^eLD: if you do - you 'll end up with tons of shitty-quality comps
01:13 PM Jin^eLD: because "I did a couple of C tutorials and know how to compile hello world" doesnt cut it
01:14 PM gregcnc: well you do have to want to build machine controls
01:14 PM gregcnc: if you don't there are plenty of used machines out there that work
01:15 PM Jin^eLD: you might not want to become a software developer :)
01:15 PM gregcnc: correct
01:15 PM Jin^eLD: so is retrofitting only for IT guys then? that may be a valid answer
01:15 PM gregcnc: no
01:15 PM gregcnc: i can't program and I have running machines, but they are simple
01:16 PM gregcnc: not that I couldn't get through something more complicated
01:16 PM gregcnc: however i I have parts to make today, i wouldn't spend months doing a conversion
01:17 PM gregcnc: working machines with unsupported failed controls seems to be the most common retrofit
01:17 PM gregcnc: otherwise it's being done as a hobby
01:19 PM Jin^eLD: yes, the one from my friend is exactly the "failed control" case with a complex gearbox
01:20 PM Jin^eLD: and true, he does it as a hobby :)
01:20 PM gregcnc: opportunity cost comes into play when real work needs to be done
01:21 PM Jin^eLD: well, I guess one that has those constraints will simply not chose such a machine...
01:22 PM Jin^eLD: and he was too optimistic anyway, he had a python course a year ago (of course forgot everything), and hoped he could write a python comp (wrong assumption - he needed an rt comp), so it was too optimistic planning to begin with
01:23 PM gregcnc: this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gnshhzU7eI
01:24 PM Jin^eLD: but I guess I get your point; you either really need it and then you choose carefully, you don't get yourself into this mess at all if you know you're out of your depth, or you play around with it as hobby because you dont have any time constraints...
01:24 PM Jin^eLD: gregcnc: yeah thats the one
01:24 PM pcw_mesa: I our experirenc, simple machines are quite a bit more common for retrofits
01:24 PM fragalot: anyone know if those chinese blasting cabinets are worth a damn for light duty use?
01:28 PM gregcnc: Jin^eLD does that machine not have VFD? or is the idea to get full function vs making parts with one or two speeds?
01:29 PM Jin^eLD: it does not have a VFD
01:29 PM Jin^eLD: most put the gearbox into one gear and add a VFD, but that has disadvantages and he wanted to do it properly
01:29 PM gregcnc: yes i understand the tradeoffs
01:31 PM fragalot: Jin^eLD: add a VFD anyway
01:31 PM fragalot: :D
01:31 PM gregcnc: yeah
01:32 PM Jin^eLD: hehe, well that we could do, but let's let him finish the basic conversion first ;)
01:36 PM Jin^eLD: I don't think that he is missing too much now, since the gearshift works its now all about integration and linking it all with the UI and with LinuxCNC to work properly
03:01 PM * JT-Shop looks for his desk top
03:30 PM gloops: these are coming down in price now https://www.ebay.ie/itm/15-1500mm-2x-Linear-Guideway-Rail-4x-Square-Type-Bearing-Block-BEST-PRICE/302815655668?
03:30 PM XXCoder: cheap
03:33 PM gloops: and nasty?
03:35 PM XXCoder: dunno
03:35 PM XXCoder: most likely not as good as say japan made
03:35 PM XXCoder: but bad enough to be useless or affects part precision? dunno
03:38 PM rob_h: screw compensation, what happens with the "in-between" steps written in the comp file are they software interpolated or just ignored?
03:48 PM JT-Shop: hey rob_h
03:49 PM rob_h: hi
04:13 PM Deejay: gn8
04:19 PM JT-Shop: I knew when I ran over that single briar branch across the trail yesterday I'd get a flat and sure enough I did
04:22 PM XXCoder: doh
04:31 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: lol I read news about HOV line
04:31 PM XXCoder: this week cops really cracked down on that
04:31 PM XXCoder: they cited 1671 drivers
04:31 PM JT-Shop: where at?
04:31 PM XXCoder: one weird case though
04:31 PM XXCoder: one driver got 3 cititions LOL
04:32 PM XXCoder: washington state
04:33 PM XXCoder: mostly King, Pierce and Snohomish countries
04:36 PM Jin^eLD: XXCoder is back.. time for shift change ;)
04:36 PM Jin^eLD: nite
04:36 PM XXCoder: lol
04:36 PM Jin^eLD: :)
04:36 PM Jin^eLD is now known as Jin|away
04:48 PM JT-Shop: well if the 29er still has 50pisg in the morning then I've fixed it
04:50 PM XXCoder: :)
04:50 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens/chickens/11-29-17.jpg
04:51 PM XXCoder: just chillin
04:51 PM JT-Shop: yep, time for me to chill with my peeps... see you in the morning
04:51 PM XXCoder: you have been exposed as pirate. tsk tsk.
04:53 PM XXCoder: later
04:54 PM XXCoder: hey andy
04:55 PM andypugh: Hi
04:55 PM Tom_L: evening
05:19 PM jthornton: hi Andy
05:42 PM pink_vampire: hi
05:43 PM gloops: evenin
05:43 PM XXCoder: yo
05:45 PM andypugh: Quiet night..
05:50 PM pink_vampire: the stack light beep is too good, i need to edit the code and make the volume a bit lower
05:50 PM CaptHindsight: fall arrived here today, have to enjoy the outdoors before winter arrives next month
06:10 PM gloops: not cut anything this week
06:10 PM gloops: not drawn anything, not built anything
06:10 PM gloops: its been a non cnc week
06:13 PM pink_vampire: gloops: how you can do that??
06:13 PM XXCoder: heh on home side I havent done anything for over a year
06:13 PM XXCoder: week is nothing :P
06:14 PM XXCoder: funny https://www.geeksaresexy.net/2018/09/19/disney-villain-mugshots-picture-gallery/
06:14 PM pink_vampire: I did most of the parts for the servo spindle, (i need to design some ring to connect the pulley to the spindle cartridge
06:14 PM gloops: pink_vampire its how many artisans work, im resting
06:16 PM pink_vampire: I just love the HF spindle, sometime it cut so fast that I just cut it with the cnc.
06:16 PM pink_vampire: gloops: on your machine you have also HF?
06:16 PM gloops: HF?
06:17 PM gloops: 24k top speed
06:18 PM MacGalempsy: :)
06:20 PM pink_vampire: HF = high frequency
06:24 PM gloops: no need for high speed, i only cut wood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE_AGP75en8
06:28 PM gloops: should have been a pop icon instead, 22 000 000 hits - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etviGf1uWlg
08:12 PM _unreal_: been doing some hacking https://www.cnczone.com/forums/controller-cards/366112-software.html
08:13 PM XXCoder: https://hackaday.com/2018/09/17/a-1-linux-capable-hand-solderable-processor/ interesting
08:13 PM XXCoder: with such a advanced chip cheap, I wonder if its reasonable to do encoder driver thats literally a whole computer per axis
08:20 PM _unreal_: hum
08:20 PM _unreal_: slightly overkill?
08:21 PM XXCoder: likely lol
08:21 PM XXCoder: but same time if its that cheap...
08:23 PM SpeedEvil: You get automatic 'no' skew output on >>1 axis sharing though.
08:23 PM _unreal_: :) I2C them
08:23 PM XXCoder: trying to figure what you mean
08:24 PM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: If you have a controller with 4 axis coming out of it, you don't need to worry about synchronisation of the controllers.
08:24 PM XXCoder: ahh understoo
08:25 PM XXCoder: heh one news article says half of cellp[hone calls will be scams by next year
08:25 PM XXCoder: mine its already 100%
08:27 PM _unreal_: I'm suprised gov.. has not done anything yet
08:27 PM XXCoder: its tough job
08:28 PM _unreal_: no argument
08:28 PM XXCoder: how do you stop spam and allow legemate calls
08:28 PM XXCoder: texts you could analyze
08:28 PM XXCoder: voice not so much
08:28 PM _unreal_: sure ya can.
08:28 PM _unreal_: not only that MOST spam phone calls are sourced from VOIP
08:30 PM XXCoder: heh article warning about cold boot attack
08:30 PM XXCoder: of course, phsyical access = owned
08:30 PM _unreal_: If you have automated caller spam BS, then it becomes a REPEAT pattern as far as a computer analising the data. and VOICE recognition has gotten very good
08:30 PM XXCoder: yeah
08:30 PM _unreal_: cold boot?
08:30 PM XXCoder: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/09/13/2054221/almost-all-modern-computers-affected-by-cold-boot-attack-researchers-warn
08:31 PM Wolf__: so, re task the NSA to take down phone spam/scammers seeing they are already listening to everything?
08:32 PM XXCoder: you would need to employ 10% of citzens to listen to everything
08:32 PM XXCoder: its not quite automatable yet
08:34 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, finally that braud ear put to good use lol
08:35 PM skunkworks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2kCDHDhS_I
08:36 PM skunkworks: exciting stuff ;)
08:36 PM _unreal_: what is it?
08:36 PM skunkworks: z axis way cover mounted
08:37 PM XXCoder: HUGE Z
08:40 PM skunkworks: about 11.7 inches of movement
08:40 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: you have an amazing channel!
08:41 PM XXCoder: with pricatical limitions it means you probabky has 6 t0 10 inches of space for part
08:41 PM XXCoder: pretty good
08:41 PM methods_: is it?
08:42 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: the g0704 have 12
08:42 PM XXCoder: nice :)
08:42 PM XXCoder: mine its at 3 inches lol
08:42 PM XXCoder: spindle rises higher than limit but then tools would lower it again
08:42 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: i used the mill today as a saw
08:43 PM methods_: does it?
08:43 PM skunkworks: XXCoder: the z axis places the nose of the spindle 3 inches above the table..
08:43 PM XXCoder: that adds 3 inch more though you might be unable to reach all way to bottom depending on toolholding
08:43 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: thanks - pretty raw stuff. some day I should learn to produce a decently edited video
08:44 PM pink_vampire: i love that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcNWHYfJVQ
08:46 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: also i love you videos that you show servo spindles
08:47 PM XXCoder: new clickspring
08:47 PM XXCoder: out 35 min ago lol
08:47 PM skunkworks: the axis video was made for someone who thought axis was not usable. (not enough buttons)
08:48 PM skunkworks: XXCoder: this is going to use tormach tooling system.. so most every tool starts out being about 2" long
08:48 PM skunkworks: (without any cutter installed
08:48 PM XXCoder: not bad
08:49 PM XXCoder: so your block basically removes the length subtraction from that
08:49 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: how did you configure the spindle here in linux cnc? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAcFeVlftrw
08:49 PM methods_: sounds like my tool
08:49 PM methods_: just kidding probably not 2"
08:49 PM XXCoder: shorter I see
08:49 PM methods_: i like to brag
08:50 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: that is just a 5hp vfd - with an encoder on the spindle...
08:50 PM methods_: so i say 2 1/2
08:50 PM skunkworks: not a servo - just spindle synced motiong
08:50 PM skunkworks: motion
08:51 PM pink_vampire: so it is C axis? or a spindle?
08:51 PM methods_: i got skunkworks so excited he couldn't spell motion
08:52 PM XXCoder: interesting never saw machine tap do lower each run
08:52 PM XXCoder: usually its just tap all way in
08:55 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: spindle
08:55 PM pink_vampire: i'm working on a servo spindle (DC motor with the G320X)
08:56 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: https://i.imgur.com/dSMI64K.png
08:57 PM pink_vampire: other then that I have also high speed spindle next to it
09:00 PM XXCoder: HMMM https://www.elivecd.org/
09:00 PM XXCoder: might be good for my aspire one
09:00 PM skunkworks: XXCoder: tap was mounted in a drill chuck..
09:00 PM XXCoder: ah torque limit
09:01 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: neat!
09:02 PM skunkworks: XXCoder: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180921_205733.jpg
09:02 PM XXCoder: nice!
09:02 PM XXCoder: without the block it'd be below table
09:03 PM skunkworks: yep
09:03 PM skunkworks: that block is almost 5"
09:03 PM pink_vampire: can you guide me how to do the configuration for it? so it will work according to the spindle commands, but also like a C axis and then the HF spindle will be mount on my X axis
09:05 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: not at the moment.. I am going to bed soon. there is atleast 1 thread on the forum with a config that switches from C to spindle..
09:05 PM skunkworks: I think andy helped with it
09:05 PM pink_vampire: but it wad step / dir setup?
09:05 PM pink_vampire: was*
09:06 PM skunkworks: I think so... but it has been a while..
09:06 PM skunkworks: changes the stepgen from position to velocity
09:06 PM pink_vampire: this one? https://www.forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/32910-how-to-use-servo-spindle-as-c-axis
09:09 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: I don't 'think' so.. but I can't find the one I am thinking of at the moment
09:10 PM pink_vampire: I'm not even sure what G code control 2 spindles
09:12 PM skunkworks: it would probably be some sort of m code.. (you would create it)
09:13 PM skunkworks: like M101 would swith from spindle to c and m102 the opposite
09:13 PM pink_vampire: but if you send S1000 M3, it will spin the HF or the servo spindle?
09:13 PM skunkworks: it would all be done in hal
09:15 PM skunkworks: bbl
09:15 PM pink_vampire: defiantly interesting way of dealing with it.
09:15 PM pink_vampire: thanks!
10:17 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: interesting yeah
10:17 PM XXCoder: new gcode to switch spindles
10:20 PM pink_vampire: i wish it will be possible at least use the M3 M4 M5 and g0 C bla, and g1 C bla on the servo spindle. and ignore the HF
10:24 PM XXCoder: it would work that way
10:24 PM XXCoder: just need to define your own gcode to switch spindles
10:24 PM pink_vampire: then I will make 2 post processors, for mill turn like 4th axis / indexer (the HF will be mount on the x axis on the table and the servo spindle will work as C axis or even A?) and the other post will be regular milling / rigid taping
10:26 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: unfortunately I'm not fluent enough in linux cnc
10:27 PM XXCoder: me either
10:30 PM pink_vampire: I need some good shower, I have some sparkly magic dust all over
10:30 PM XXCoder: why? you have sparkles like them twight zone vamps lol
10:31 PM pink_vampire: 60K rpm + aluminum = sparkly magic dust
10:33 PM pink_vampire: she is a machinist with HF spindle https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/powerlisting/images/7/72/Tinker_bell.gif
10:33 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: ^
10:34 PM XXCoder: looking
10:38 PM XXCoder: its loading REALLT slowly
10:38 PM XXCoder: byut yeah she is that lol
10:40 PM pink_vampire: I'm off
10:40 PM XXCoder: later