#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 07 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:08 AM pink_vampire: fragalot:
12:11 AM fragalot: pink_vampire:
12:11 AM pink_vampire: how are you
12:11 AM fragalot: good :) you?
01:55 AM miss0r: Can anyone tell me what thread those small reiser blocks are, that one would use to screw into a computer cabinet and later mount a motherboard on?
01:59 AM Wolf_: these? http://a.co/d/j45bROz
02:00 AM miss0r|office2: yeah
02:00 AM miss0r|office2: ha... I've always thought they were some imperial size
02:00 AM Wolf_: m3 looks like
02:00 AM Wolf_: same here...
02:00 AM miss0r|office2: Thanks
02:00 AM Wolf_: I have some on my desk somewhere…
02:01 AM Wolf_: oh wait, they are next to my mill, brb I can check
02:01 AM miss0r|office2: Yeah, I have a bag of them somewhere as well
02:06 AM MarcelineVQ: the ones I​ have are either 32AN or metric, I don't have my metric guages out and the threadsd pretty short so it's hard to tell hehe
02:06 AM miss0r|office2: hehe
02:07 AM miss0r|office2: I'm wondering if the set you found is 'special'
02:07 AM Wolf_: 6-32
02:07 AM Wolf_: one of the old school ones out a dell 486 tower
02:07 AM miss0r|office2: hmm. I think that is the ones I know.
02:08 AM miss0r|office2: But seeing as I will have to make the case myself, I might as well go for the metric ones
02:14 AM Deejay: moin
03:07 AM miss0r|office2: !! Mikron WF3 cnc for only $600
03:07 AM miss0r|office2: If only I had the room
03:08 AM miss0r|office2: I have no space to put it in :(
03:38 AM gloops: stick a sectional garage onto your workshop miss0r, more space cheap, no planning permission or anything
03:39 AM miss0r|office2: That sounds like something that would cost a fortune to heat up
03:40 AM MarcelineVQ: heat it with fiery determination
03:40 AM miss0r|office2: hehe
04:10 AM gloops: doesnt need much heat, concrete base with damp proof membrane, few solar heaters - a lot of the bike people do their garages like that to keep the bikes dry
04:15 AM pink_vampire: hi
04:57 AM jthornton: mornign
04:57 AM XXCoder: boo
04:58 AM XXCoder: miss0r|office2: too bad we dont have time lord tech
04:58 AM XXCoder: I'd make so much space
04:58 AM XXCoder: I would turn one of closets into huge shop space
05:01 AM jthornton: geez I used 0.1GB of data while I slept wtf
05:01 AM XXCoder: sleep-browsing? heh
05:01 AM MarcelineVQ: better check your sleep-history
05:03 AM jthornton: the only thing open was on the LAN like cameras and other network stuff
05:04 AM XXCoder: cameras and other IOT stuff is super hackable
05:04 AM XXCoder: sometimes even pre-hacked
05:05 AM MarcelineVQ: I'd be a good idea to try out wireshark or similar if you notice this becoming an ongoing issue
05:06 AM jthornton: wireshark?
05:06 AM MarcelineVQ: yeah it's a network monitor/analyzer
05:06 AM jthornton: found it
05:13 AM jthornton: hmm I did leave the weather underground page open... wonder if that was the issue
05:14 AM MarcelineVQ: possibly, my weather site refreshes on its own, overnight that could add up given all the garbage they have on there that isn't weather
05:15 AM jthornton: I just get the local temperature history every few days for my egg laying chart
05:16 AM XXCoder: yeah some sites does update
05:17 AM jthornton: I'll remember to close that page if I can remember lol
05:19 AM MarcelineVQ: if you suspect it's the page some browers can let you know about page resource use. do you use chrome or firefox?
05:20 AM jthornton: yes
05:21 AM MarcelineVQ: chrome's way is real easy, hit f12, go to network tab, click preserve log and refresh the page.
05:22 AM MarcelineVQ: It'll tell you at the bottom how much it transfered to load the page, and due to preserve log you can check the page later and find out if it transfered more than that. you can test this out by hitting refresh again
05:22 AM jthornton: ok cool
05:24 AM MarcelineVQ: by check the page later I mean leave the page open and check it later, it won't preserve the log if you close it, just between refreshes that you or the page does on its own
05:27 AM jthornton: wow that is a busy page for sure
05:29 AM Tom_L: morning
05:29 AM jthornton: morning
05:30 AM XXCoder: morning
05:30 AM Tom_L: 71F Hi 74
05:32 AM jthornton: 72°F high 83°F Flash Flood Watch until Saturday night!
05:33 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Marlow-3-Phase-Milling-Machine-Type-VM2/132769014874?
05:33 AM gloops: worth 300 all day
05:34 AM MarcelineVQ: how do you guys get away with that :> it would cost me 300 to look at one here
05:34 AM XXCoder: 73f peak, then rest of week 60s and rain
05:34 AM gloops: probably go for more eventually, but cant see them fighting over it
05:34 AM XXCoder: $300n just to LOOK at one? dang thats expensive
05:35 AM gloops: i can show you some for $20 a time Marceline
05:35 AM MarcelineVQ: ehe, well it does involve a ferry boat ride, but still they're not so common here
05:35 AM XXCoder: $40 for first minutes and $5 per minute afterwards :P
05:44 AM jthornton: damn 2.8 requires libboost-python 1.62.0 but linux mint 18 has 1.58.0...
05:45 AM XXCoder: can install newer or will it turn linux system into decoactive blocks?
05:46 AM XXCoder: python is a nightmare :(
05:47 AM MarcelineVQ: it's only a nightmare if you use pip
05:47 AM XXCoder: everything and its uncle on linux uses it
05:47 AM MarcelineVQ: well, only may be a little strong
05:50 AM MarcelineVQ: what's nightmarish about it for you XXCoder?
05:51 AM XXCoder: deps
05:52 AM jym: heh, dependancy hell, not just python
05:53 AM * jym REALLY misses procedural coding
08:41 AM gregcnc: this is interesting. it looks like compensation for axes which aren't straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D94QUEStfjA
08:46 AM Simonious: in my post on fusion 360 for EMC2 at the end there is G53 G0 Z0 - does this ont move the toolhead to Z0? Why would I want that for a final move (I don't), how do I modify the post so this doesn't happen?
08:47 AM gregcnc: it's pretty normal to clear the milling head from the workspace to access fixtures safely
08:47 AM Simonious: then my confusion runs deeper
08:48 AM gregcnc: you can assign a different value in machine setup in fusion
08:48 AM Simonious: so.. when I start my work I set the toolhead right at the surface of the work and zero all 3 axis
08:48 AM Simonious: xyz (0,0,0)
08:48 AM gregcnc: g53 is machine coordiantes
08:48 AM Simonious: the machine has no endstops.. (we can discuss that later if you like)
08:48 AM Simonious: so there are no machine coords?
08:49 AM gregcnc: if you don't home your machine this would be an issue
08:49 AM Simonious: for sure
08:49 AM Simonious: so before I start the work as I mentioned above I set the toolhead above the work and touch off all 3 axis
08:50 AM Simonious: I guess I hit 'home' AND 'touch off'
08:50 AM Simonious: bear in mind I don't know what I'm doing.. but this works
08:50 AM Simonious: all my operations happen where I expect them too
08:50 AM Simonious: however.. there are two things I want to happen differently
08:50 AM gregcnc: in your case what i described isn't safe or what you shoudl be doing
08:51 AM Simonious: the two things I would like to change are:
08:52 AM Simonious: 1) I want the toolhead to retract to 'top height' as defined in fusion 360, before doing anything else
08:52 AM Simonious: when I hit go
08:52 AM Simonious: 2) same as above - but as final action
08:52 AM Simonious: these two behaviors would prevent all of the times I drag the tool through the work..
08:53 AM gregcnc: because virtually all machines use limits and machine cooridnates, machine setup in the CAM does this automatically and why you see G53 moves
08:55 AM gregcnc: to make this change you need to revise the post, by fumbling around I could get through it. google and the fusion forums would help you
08:55 AM Simonious: so at present after I set the xyz position and hit go, the machine does an XY reposition and then 'starts' the CAM. This means if I forget to raise the toolhead BEFORE hitting go, it *may* lightly score the material
08:55 AM Simonious: yeah, I've been doing some of that fumbling
08:55 AM gregcnc: in understand
08:56 AM gregcnc: this is due to not having proper machine setup
08:56 AM Simonious: what am I lacking?
08:56 AM gregcnc: homing
08:56 AM gregcnc: which defines machine coordinates
08:56 AM Simonious: stands to reason
08:57 AM Simonious: there is a whole conversation on that topic about this machine that I'm presently avoiding to stay focused..
08:58 AM gregcnc: right whatever the reason for the lack of homing, that is the cause
08:59 AM gregcnc: but a post mod will get you what you need, with the possibility that sometimes it will crash Z+ because it doesn't know where Z end stops are
08:59 AM Simonious: I suspect if I added a one liner to the end of onOpen that would do Z(topheight) (in whatever notation is correct) that would solve 90% of my troubles
09:00 AM Simonious: Without getting into the endstop conversation there is a hardware protection layer on this machine both in terms of endstops AND servo feedback, so while the computer is not presently aware of that information the machine will not tear itself up
09:01 AM gregcnc: OK so worst case is you'll have to goback and repost files if that happens
09:01 AM Simonious: Why would I need to repost if I did manage to crash the machine?
09:02 AM Simonious: oh..
09:02 AM Simonious: you mean if it were a _Bad_ post
09:02 AM Simonious: yeah, I'm not in danger of murdering the machine
09:02 AM sealive: Guten Tag Deutsche Hier ?
09:02 AM Simonious: sealive: pas moi
09:03 AM sealive: Then a Dry Enlish
09:04 AM gregcnc: I would try looking at machine config -> post and revise retract Z to a small + value (this si the G53 value being commanded)
09:05 AM sealive: Lothar the Onkle How Bild al The School CNC HAS DIED Last 16 august
09:05 AM Simonious: gregcnc: yeah, thinking about it more, I think I ONLY need one change, that initial Z lift should solve the problem.
09:05 AM sealive: Me deleted all Youtube Videos
09:06 AM gregcnc: Ichgucks?
09:06 AM sealive: YES
09:06 AM sealive: 16Aug 2018
09:06 AM gregcnc: oh how sad, my condolences
09:08 AM sealive: If He Got a Account one Please Delete it
09:08 AM sealive: If Posible
09:08 AM sealive: OFF
09:23 AM JT-Shop: they are loading up the crawler now ... it got a new zip code yesterday
09:29 AM Simonious: problem is pretty obvious now that I'm into it: https://ghostbin.com/paste/x2hfk N55 there does the first move having done nothing with Z, I really need something to get Z up a little before that! 0.2 0.4 0.6 Top Height, anything
09:59 AM gregcnc: simonious did you find machine config?
09:59 AM Simonious: gregcnc: got distracted by a shop tour
10:00 AM Simonious: what are we talking about? Machine config? is that a wizard in F360 or something?
10:00 AM Simonious: err linuxCNC?
10:00 AM Simonious: I've been through the machine config before, I'm still planning to modify the post.
10:00 AM gregcnc: in F360, I don't use f360 often so the terminology may be different
10:10 AM gregcnc: simonious in F360 in the post process dialog do you have any values for G53 in the chart on the bottom right?
10:10 AM Simonious: G53 doesn't make the list at all
10:10 AM Simonious: no mention
10:11 AM gregcnc: I see, the posts are a bit different for f360 than HSMexpress
10:12 AM gregcnc: the post 11337_Fanuc Millturn V5.cps has a set of machine properties under user defined properties
11:59 AM fragalot: miss0r: have you scraped anything yet?
11:59 AM miss0r: fragalot: my knees several times
12:00 PM gregcnc: wasn't that when you were 8yo?
12:00 PM miss0r: gregcnc: Does that not count still?
12:00 PM fragalot: I didn't know you bent that way
12:00 PM miss0r: fragalot: I was planning on messing around with it today, but ended up having alot og work comming my way
12:00 PM gregcnc: before alcohol doesn't count, there is a new tally
12:01 PM miss0r: I don't anymore :)
12:01 PM miss0r: gregcnc: This is Denmark. What makes you think 8yo was before alcohol? :P
12:01 PM gregcnc: pfft no idea, how did you even survive in that case
12:02 PM miss0r: :]
12:03 PM Loetmichel: miss0r: the first pictore that exists of me is when i have a bottle of champagne at my mouth.. and a parent hand supporting it from behind, the bottle being bigger than myself at age 3 or 4 ;)
12:05 PM miss0r: Loetmichel: I have one of me about the same age, where I have snatched my fathers beer.
12:05 PM miss0r: well.. the few droplets left in it anyway :)
12:05 PM CaptHindsight: alcohol and bare breasts are the reasons for all the evil in the USA
12:05 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: Sure. Its how babys are made
12:06 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: at least when you ask the "mothers against porn" executives ;)
12:06 PM CaptHindsight: it can't be due to how we teach children or treat them
12:07 PM miss0r: I blame violent video games.. or CANADA!
12:07 PM miss0r: :P
12:09 PM CaptHindsight: I don't order from Amazon much but they show up before noon with their own van
12:09 PM gregcnc: gah why does yt not record everything in history? i watched a 5x welding printer the other day
12:10 PM gregcnc: I ordered some pc parts and got the the same evening from amazon, looked like a guy driving his own car
12:10 PM gregcnc: but usually the white van shows up
12:10 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: did you ask him if he came from Kenosha?
12:11 PM gregcnc: i didn't ask, wife ran out because the guy looked lost
12:11 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: are your deliveries after 5pm or?
12:11 PM CaptHindsight: I changed my account with them to a business version
12:11 PM gregcnc: seems variable, this same day was promised by 9pm, and he made it by 10 min
12:11 PM gregcnc: ah
12:12 PM gregcnc: i think most are by 5pm or so
12:13 PM CaptHindsight: they promised by Tuesday 9pm, arrived today at 11:30am
12:13 PM gregcnc: more frustrated that the amazon prime video app wont work with chromecast
12:13 PM gregcnc: i ordred just before the cutoff
12:15 PM CaptHindsight: last time we got our box and the water treatment system from someone else, they were actually upset with me that I hand trucked it next door
12:16 PM gregcnc: ah it was kuka and mwes https://youtu.be/PynoBjTIvsQ
12:16 PM gregcnc: amazon or your neighbor?
12:17 PM CaptHindsight: neighbor, they would probably kill the messenger as well
12:18 PM gregcnc: next time have the driver pick it up a week later
12:18 PM CaptHindsight: oh yeah
12:19 PM CaptHindsight: "we got yer box last week, soory we wuz busy"
12:19 PM gregcnc: doing imts?
12:19 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, not sure which days, probably the warmer ones
12:20 PM CaptHindsight: I'm enjoying the hell out of this cooler weather
12:20 PM gregcnc: it's nice, I can work in the garage without killing myself
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: was looking at the RC servos to use a s quick hack in place of voice coil motors
12:27 PM gregcnc: i'd be concerned about life
12:28 PM CaptHindsight: they have gotten faster
12:28 PM CaptHindsight: not for production, just until I build real voice coil servos
12:29 PM gregcnc: most basic fast servos will have coreless motors, new high end types brushless
12:29 PM CaptHindsight: was really surprised bu how many more miniature motion parts the robot shop now stocks
12:31 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.robotshop.com/en/actuators.html
12:31 PM CaptHindsight: not a single voice coil positioner however
12:32 PM gregcnc: i've seen some of those linear types listed on rc plane sites
12:33 PM gregcnc: are you making some like used in hdd?
12:36 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.h2wtech.com/category/voice-coil-actuators#specifications1
12:37 PM gregcnc: linear not rotary
12:38 PM CaptHindsight: closed loop, haven't decided on what feedback to LCNC
12:40 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MotiCont-LVCM-051-089-01-Linear-Voice-Coil-Motor-Renishaw-Encoder-T1001-02A/172682514905 complete setup with feedback
12:43 PM CaptHindsight: http://resources.renishaw.com/en/download/data-sheet-tonic-encoder-system--97652
12:46 PM gregcnc: i saw these while looking for feedback on a project i'm involved in https://www.zettlex.com/products/oem-linear-position-sensors/
12:46 PM gregcnc: probably not enoguh resolution for you
12:48 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.zettlex.com/wp-content/uploads/Linear-Transducer-3706-OEM-Product-Guide.pdf
12:48 PM CaptHindsight: <5um
12:48 PM CaptHindsight: how much are they?
12:48 PM gregcnc: didn't get that far yet
12:49 PM CaptHindsight: ah after 5pm in that pompus kingdom with queens and all
12:50 PM roycroft: um, we have a pompous queen ourselves these days, don't we? :)
12:50 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: they have a webshop with "finished" ones
12:50 PM roycroft: or is it a pompous emperor without clothing?
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: they have an office in Evanston
12:51 PM fragalot: though those output 4-20mA or 0-10V, so I wouldn't expect 5µ resolution from those :P
12:52 PM CaptHindsight: 15mm / 5um = something
12:53 PM CaptHindsight: 3000
12:53 PM CaptHindsight: I only need ~5mm/100
12:54 PM CaptHindsight: ~50um is plenty
12:54 PM gregcnc: 12 bit resolution they say
12:55 PM gregcnc: 1khz fast enough?
12:55 PM CaptHindsight: my concern with those is the mass
12:55 PM CaptHindsight: oh yeah, will probably be 10hz
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.zettlex.com/shop/ has only the bigger stuff
01:00 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: we certainly do, not to mention orange
01:12 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.celeramotion.com/products-solutions/linear-encoders/portfolio-page
01:18 PM sealive: I am the GrandChild IchGucksLive
01:18 PM sealive: Want Update 7i76
01:18 PM sealive: gettin Error
01:19 PM sealive: Line 5 6 "and now" Unknown
01:19 PM sealive: Need Help
01:20 PM pink_vampire: hi sealive
01:20 PM sealive: Good Evening
01:20 PM sealive: Using "sudo ./ssinstall"
01:20 PM CaptHindsight: line 5 and 6 of what?
01:21 PM sealive: "update7i76"
01:21 PM sealive: Do I Need this Togetther
01:21 PM CaptHindsight: updating the firmware?
01:22 PM sealive: "sudo ./ssinstall update7i76"
01:22 PM sealive: Yes
01:23 PM CaptHindsight: maybe pcw_mesa or JT-Shop knows, I don't keep track
01:23 PM sealive: 5i25 V43 OK
01:24 PM sealive: Info Grandpa IchGucksLive has passed away on Aug16th
01:24 PM Tom_L: no kidding?
01:24 PM Tom_L: that's sad
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: oh no
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: what happened?
01:24 PM pcw_mesa: Sorry to hear that
01:24 PM sealive: i Got So Many EMI on the Plasma
01:25 PM CaptHindsight: sealive: he was in this channel nearly every day for years and years
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: was away when he volunteered at that park for a few years
01:26 PM sealive: I Know and it is Hart belve to be here
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: my condolences
01:26 PM Loetmichel: sealive: oh. thats bad to hear. my condolences, too
01:27 PM sealive: Need Help on that 7i76 update
01:27 PM pcw_mesa: what update do you need?
01:28 PM sealive: Now it Breaks the Firm on Plasma On
01:28 PM sealive: I got all R14 on Linuxcnc 2.7.4 Ubuntu 10.04
01:29 PM sealive: the 5i25 Update worked
01:29 PM pcw_mesa: R14 is the latest
01:29 PM sealive: sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --write 5i25_7i76x2.bit
01:29 PM sealive: sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --verify 5i25_7i76x2.bit OK
01:29 PM sealive: sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --reload and power
01:30 PM sealive: sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --sserial 43
01:31 PM sealive: NOW all Poiwer OFF
01:31 PM sealive: W3 right
01:31 PM sealive: START PC
01:31 PM sealive: Power 7i76
01:33 PM sealive: Folder "Download/2018/7i76/utils/linuxcnc
01:33 PM sealive: sudo ./ssinstall
01:34 PM sealive: update7i76
01:34 PM sealive: Error
01:35 PM pcw_mesa: There is no point in updating the 7I76 firmware since R14 is current
01:35 PM sealive: the system is 2012
01:36 PM sealive: the Control is older
01:36 PM sealive: 5i25 has 33
01:36 PM sealive: now 43
01:36 PM pcw_mesa: does linuxcnc complain about the 7I76?
01:37 PM sealive: no
01:37 PM sealive: Com error and Full Poweroff 7i76
01:38 PM sealive: on Plasma ON
01:38 PM pcw_mesa: Pretty sure that means that you already have R14
01:39 PM sealive: update is not working i Like to see
01:40 PM pcw_mesa: You can read the firmware revision from LinuxCNC
01:40 PM pcw_mesa: If its 14 (0x0e) theres no point in updating it
01:40 PM sealive: pcw_mesa, com 13 error Read io www Update Firmware
01:42 PM sealive: and i tink 3 out alredy broken out 2 4 6
01:43 PM sealive: can i check the 7i76 Function
01:43 PM sealive: broken Pin ?
01:45 PM sealive: Main Problem Huge S100 M3
01:45 PM sealive: Lights in House Off PC Monitor Down
01:46 PM sealive: NO THC Connected Wire Hard Disconnect
01:47 PM sealive: Control not on Table
01:48 PM sealive: Plasma ON Relay only Cable to Plasma
01:50 PM sealive: pcw_mesa, Read Firmware ? sudo mesaflash --device 7i76 --readhmid
01:51 PM pcw_mesa: sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --sserial
01:51 PM pcw_mesa: I think
01:52 PM sealive: pcw_mesa, why update not working anyway
01:54 PM pcw_mesa: not sure, did you do the W3? jumper change and power cycle after every jumper change?
01:54 PM sealive: yes
01:54 PM pcw_mesa: power cycle the 7I76 fiield power
01:54 PM sealive: yes
01:55 PM sealive: pcw_mesa, loadrt setsserial cmd="flash hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0 hm2/sserial/7I76R14.BIN"
01:55 PM sealive: the Folder Download has no /hm2
01:57 PM pcw_mesa: the install script is supposed to install the firmware in /lib/firmware/hm2/sserial
01:58 PM pcw_mesa: (and /lib/firmware is where setsserial looks for it)
02:00 PM sealive: Thanks I Look next Weak
02:01 PM sealive: OFF
02:08 PM jthornton: pcw_mesa: on the 7i96 when flashed for pwm is step4- and step4+ connected to in1 and in2 on this l298n? https://us.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-Dual-H-Bridge-DC-Stepper-Motor-Drive-Controller-Board-Module-Arduino-L298N-wp-Usa-42826.html?rmmds=myorder
02:08 PM pcw_mesa: umm...
02:09 PM jthornton: that's what I said
02:09 PM pcw_mesa: let me look at a LM298 data sheet
02:10 PM jthornton: ok, thanks
02:12 PM jthornton: this is all I see on the web page When ENA enable IN1 IN2 control OUT1 OUT2 When ENB enable IN3 IN4 control OUT3 OUT4
02:15 PM * gloops identifies to nickserv before being allowed to speak, like a bitch
02:16 PM pcw_mesa: OK I _Think_ its like this: 7I96 PWM --> Enable, 7I96DIR+ --> in1, 7I96DIR- --> in2
02:16 PM CaptHindsight: Oh holy nickserve, hallowed be thy name.....
02:17 PM jthornton: ok thanks
02:17 PM jthornton: the enable is a jumper on the board
02:19 PM jthornton: hmm I need all 4 outputs to drive the stepper I think so in1, in2 and in3, in4
02:19 PM pcw_mesa: well PWM+ to IN1 and PWM- to IN2 should work as well but that's whats called locked antiphase mode so 50% PWM = 0 motor current
02:20 PM pcw_mesa: you are running a step motor?
02:20 PM jthornton: yes
02:20 PM jthornton: for a dc motor I just need one side I think
02:21 PM pcw_mesa: Yes one side per DC motor
02:22 PM jthornton: I found this for using with an arduino https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m9fmgN6vcH/
02:22 PM pcw_mesa: step motor will have no current control and needs a stepgen not a PWMgen
02:22 PM jthornton: ah ok, I'll dig up a small dc motor then
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: pcw_mesa: how fast is that 12b DAC 7I87?
02:23 PM jthornton: thanks for the help
02:23 PM pcw_mesa: I think you can drive a (high impedance = 12/24V) stepmotor with 1 stepgen and in1,2,3,4
02:24 PM pcw_mesa: (using quadrature modes and both output polarities)
02:24 PM jthornton: I need to test my code for the pwm to make sure it works :)
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: found it ~3 KHz bandpass for 12 bit resolution numbers and ~200Hz bandwidth for16 bit
02:25 PM Papagno: hi
02:25 PM jthornton: gotta run
02:26 PM pcw_mesa: Yeah the 7I87 samples at 50 KHz I believe but its always averaged
02:27 PM Papagno: hi
02:29 PM Papagno: hi
02:43 PM Papagno: .
02:44 PM Papagno: how can use channel operator
02:45 PM Papagno: Hi at all
02:46 PM gloops: hello
02:46 PM gloops: Papagno
02:47 PM Papagno: gloops, i have register a new nick on freenode
02:47 PM Papagno: gloops, now can write on linuxcnc ?
02:47 PM gloops: did we know you by a different name Papagno?
02:48 PM gloops: yes - can see your comments
02:48 PM Papagno: because my old nick : Motioncontrol not can register in freenode and i don't understant because it.
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: http://i43.tinypic.com/313m6ax.jpg came across this while search for IchGucks posts
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: search/searching
02:54 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: Is it wrong that I think it's awesome?
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: getting a firearms manufacturing license myself
02:57 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: hihi. "not a fxxxing thing..." thats reasonable ;)
03:00 PM Papagno: h
03:01 PM gloops: Ichs was here earlier
03:01 PM gloops: called 'sealive'
03:01 PM gloops: very similar nick
03:03 PM mozmck: gloops: in case you missed it, that was Ich's grandson - who said Ichs died August 16
03:03 PM mozmck: oops - no gloops
03:07 PM gloops: mozmck you are joking?
03:08 PM gloops: jeez that explains it
03:08 PM mozmck: no: (01:26:32 PM) sealive: Info Grandpa IchGucksLive has passed away on Aug16th
03:08 PM gloops: yes you are right, i misread it
03:09 PM gloops: oh God, old Ichs gone...
03:16 PM pink_vampire: wow, sorry to hear that.!!
03:17 PM pink_vampire: IchGucksLive was helping me a lot with the setup and the configuration of linux cnc.
03:17 PM gloops: yes, Ichs helped thousands of people get their first cnc running, including me
03:18 PM gloops: i mean, we had our political differences, him being german and all
03:18 PM gloops: but i liked him
03:19 PM pink_vampire: I liked him a lot, he was funny
03:19 PM gloops: also, he seemed like a fit guy - was always cycling and gardening etc
03:19 PM gloops: still working
03:20 PM gloops: dont suppose we know how he died? terrible thing to think, but surely not an accident? electrical or something
03:58 PM Deejay: gn8
04:17 PM XXCoder: wow ich died? :(
04:17 PM XXCoder: thats sad
04:18 PM pink_vampire: yeah
04:18 PM XXCoder: he was pretty old from what I recall. he were basically retired, went off to forestery for 2 years
04:18 PM XXCoder: returned to work I think to have something to do, more than needing money
04:21 PM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mostly+Printed+CNC
04:21 PM pink_vampire: this is look like a very interesting cnc machine
04:21 PM XXCoder: yeah and bit weak
04:21 PM XXCoder: I saw one of those machines running in video. backlash were insane
04:21 PM XXCoder: fine for wood tho
04:22 PM pink_vampire: what do you mean by "backlash were insane"?
04:22 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: ^
04:23 PM XXCoder: I could see spindle move around as it was cutting from sideload
04:24 PM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy3IJ3EjYTo
04:24 PM pink_vampire: cutting metal
04:24 PM XXCoder: looking
04:25 PM XXCoder: definitely cutting slowly. smart
04:25 PM XXCoder: I cant tell if its being rigid, does you hear it chattering or something like that?
04:26 PM XXCoder: chips look to be good size, bit less than .001" and very rapid. its almost rubboing fast
04:26 PM XXCoder: good for limited machine I guess
04:26 PM pink_vampire: https://www.lowes.com/pd/DEWALT-2-Piece-Rotary-Cut-out-Kit/50031426?cm_mmc=SCE_PLA_ONLY-_-ToolsAndHardware-_-SosHandHeldPowerTools-_-50031426:DEWALT&CAWELAID=&kpid=50031426&CAGPSPN=pla&k_clickID=1987895c-5852-4539-afe5-e2413b3e727b&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzb36oOqp3QIVC18NCh0bcwA5EAYYASABEgK2xfD_BwE
04:26 PM pink_vampire: this is the spindle!
04:26 PM pink_vampire: WOW
04:27 PM JT-Shop: pcw_mesa: could I use a 12v computer fan as a test motor for the pwm drive?
04:27 PM pink_vampire: $52.99
04:27 PM XXCoder: not surpised thats nice one
04:28 PM XXCoder: it hs large collor for attaching
04:28 PM XXCoder: I still have edge router I orginially planned to use for cnc router lol
04:28 PM pcw_mesa: JT-Shop: probably not because they contain electronics and will not run backwards
04:29 PM JT-Shop: ok, I'll keep looking :)
04:29 PM XXCoder: you got a dead washer somewhere?
04:29 PM XXCoder: could use relay lol
04:30 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: one you linked to definitely seems better designed than one I saw
04:32 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: i need to go :(
04:32 PM XXCoder: go where?
04:37 PM pink_vampire: do some stuff
04:37 PM XXCoder: ahh have fun :)
04:37 PM XXCoder: I thought you were going away for long term! lol
04:45 PM XXCoder: hey gloops
04:45 PM gloops: hi man
04:46 PM XXCoder: about ich anything really is possible, he was pretty old. maybe he had cancer, or had heart attack and so on
04:47 PM gloops: yeah i suppose, didnt speak of any illness the last times i saw him, but these things move fast
04:47 PM XXCoder: or he kept it personal
04:48 PM gloops: yeah maybe that too
04:48 PM XXCoder: all kinds of shit could happen, like founder of one of my favorite sites died suddenly
04:48 PM XXCoder: family didnt say what happened but he was at late 30s
04:48 PM gloops: true, it could be any of us
04:49 PM XXCoder: he was 2 years older than me. im now 5 years older than his final age
04:49 PM XXCoder: times so fast
04:49 PM gloops: i knew someone my age with lung cancer, went to the docs a few weeks before xmas - kept him in, he was dead about a month later
04:50 PM SpeedEvil: Lilo (freenode) got hit by a car while biking.
04:54 PM XXCoder: sucks
05:03 PM gloops: well, i hope Ichs youtube channel will stay up, its helped me a bit
05:04 PM XXCoder: likely just no new videos
05:06 PM XXCoder: I never could watch his videos, sadly
05:07 PM XXCoder: my brain simply cant take random blurs, noises and video movements
05:22 PM MarcelineVQ: sad day in linuccnc-land
05:24 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:26 PM MarcelineVQ: ef. Went to go mirror the vids and the channel is gone.
05:28 PM XXCoder: what it was removed??
05:28 PM MarcelineVQ: Yeah, given the short timeframe I would guess the family is closing out accounts
05:29 PM MarcelineVQ: Or it was done before I guess, admit I hadn't check the channel in awhile
05:29 PM XXCoder: but why not leave videos for others?
05:29 PM XXCoder: its been useless to me but it certainly helped others
05:29 PM MarcelineVQ: I got my setup started with it
05:33 PM XXCoder: once its gone its probably gone period. I dont think ich kept source videos
05:34 PM XXCoder: what was his yt nick anyway
05:35 PM MarcelineVQ: I don't know, the channel name was MAGIG CNC Maschines :)
05:40 PM XXCoder: it says no such channel, I need nick to find account
05:40 PM XXCoder: then I might be able to find private videos
05:41 PM XXCoder: it may be just set to provate
05:41 PM XXCoder: youtube.tk is REALLY annoying
05:41 PM XXCoder: *pk
05:42 PM XXCoder: strange there was one at clip.fail, video was deleted
05:42 PM pink_vampire: what is youtube.pk??
05:43 PM XXCoder: ripoff of youtubve
05:43 PM XXCoder: who know if ti has malware dont visit
05:43 PM XXCoder: https://plus.google.com/101492353966267947153 no additional info
05:44 PM XXCoder: added contact, theres npothing in it dammit.
05:47 PM XXCoder: argh! freecad has topic menioning his channel but it has no direct link or nick name
05:48 PM pink_vampire: the videos are removed
05:48 PM XXCoder: channel is yeah I'm hoping if I find orginial nick I could then search if guy made videos private not deleted
05:49 PM pink_vampire: how?
05:50 PM XXCoder: forgot exazct procure they probably patched anyway
05:51 PM XXCoder: finlly found one direct link to video (not channel)
05:51 PM XXCoder: This video is no longer available because the uploader has closed their YouTube account.
05:51 PM XXCoder: too bad so it is indeed gone
05:52 PM pink_vampire: why??
05:53 PM XXCoder: no idea
05:53 PM XXCoder: maybe it was in ich's will
05:53 PM * SpeedEvil plays the appropriate Rammstein track.
05:53 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: what do you mean?
05:54 PM SpeedEvil: If you want content to remain available, store it locally, in multiple redundant backups.
05:55 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: sometimes people write a Will, putting in what things are given to who, as well as digitial will which means "I want to close those and those accounts, and go to freenode to tell people I died"
05:55 PM XXCoder: I need to write mine
05:55 PM XXCoder: I may be just 42 but who knows
05:58 PM pink_vampire: i was using his videos several times.
05:59 PM pink_vampire: technically linux cnc is open source..
06:01 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: did you make any move with your machine?
06:01 PM XXCoder: it was running pretty good before I had to move to this current home
06:01 PM XXCoder: no room at all to run at all so its been idle in closet
06:02 PM pink_vampire: :(
06:02 PM pink_vampire: not fun
06:03 PM Tom_L: he was 72
06:04 PM pink_vampire: WOW
06:04 PM pink_vampire: we need to move to a better platform
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: Ich's grandson said he could not tell me what happened
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: I asked him if he would consider putting some of his videos back up since they were very helpful to many noobs
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: he said he might in the future
06:07 PM pink_vampire: I hope he is not suicide
06:07 PM XXCoder: doubtful but who knows
06:08 PM Tom_L: yeah, bourdain did
06:09 PM pink_vampire: I can't find a good explanation why someone will remove his stuff?
06:10 PM Tom_L: because you don't know the circumstances
06:10 PM XXCoder: I doubt we will know
06:11 PM XXCoder: talking about former regulars, anyone ever hear anything from archivist?
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: I'd have to search the logs for links to his pics
06:11 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: could search for nick and .jpg for example combos
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: he mentioned the University he had the CNC classes at
06:11 PM XXCoder: or imgur if he used it
06:12 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: heh I hope he is still alive
06:12 PM XXCoder: i hope so too
06:12 PM Tom_L: he's busy
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: he had a recent one with him standing at the podium to a full house
06:12 PM Tom_L: someone contacted him
06:12 PM XXCoder: he should log once a while to keep nick
06:13 PM XXCoder: 6 months to expire
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: he might want that
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: he was getting pretty fed up
06:14 PM XXCoder: with noobs or what?
06:15 PM CaptHindsight: Ichs was still editing the LCNC wiki on Aug 09
06:17 PM CaptHindsight: github accounts are also gone
06:18 PM pink_vampire: why?
06:18 PM pink_vampire: wtf
06:18 PM XXCoder: it may be in will. who knows
06:20 PM CaptHindsight: "canD tell"
06:24 PM pink_vampire: I think he died in a cnc accident, and now all his family want to prevent that from happen to other, so they removed all his cnc related content.
06:24 PM XXCoder: kinda doubtful
06:25 PM XXCoder: recently coworker ripped palm and top of hand skin off, but all of us went to work anyway
06:25 PM XXCoder: last I heard doctors is trying to get blood to circulute in reattached skins
06:26 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: there is a lack of information, so we can make our own conspiracy theory..
06:26 PM XXCoder: im not much for going on without information
06:27 PM Tom_L: makes us look silly when the truth is known
06:28 PM Tom_L: xx did they save his hand or do grafts?
06:28 PM XXCoder: last I heard both sides was reattached but its been a week so dunno
06:28 PM XXCoder: guy wont be back for months
06:29 PM XXCoder: PT alone will take months
06:30 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: on a lathe? or a mill?
06:30 PM pink_vampire: CNC? manual?
06:30 PM XXCoder: nether, mill techinically
06:30 PM XXCoder: he was fishing for part in rear in coolant bin
06:30 PM XXCoder: his hand got caught between wall and chip moving belt
06:31 PM pink_vampire: WOWW
06:31 PM XXCoder: it can be on or off seperately from mill running so I dont know why he didnt check
06:31 PM XXCoder: even when I KNOW its off, I still very slowly check if belt is moving or not first.
06:31 PM XXCoder: or even better, completely power off.
06:32 PM gloops: re archivist not heard any more of him, a while after he left someone in his toen said he was fine and in good health
06:33 PM gloops: he was obviously occupied with some business or work kind of enterprise shortly before he left
06:34 PM gloops: also, his interests seemed to be getting beyond general machining chit chat
06:34 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: that day last 3 hours I had seriously hard time working, my speed was way dpwn
06:34 PM XXCoder: because hand getting hurt is my second worse fear
06:35 PM Tom_L: easy to happen around the tools we work with
06:35 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:36 PM CaptHindsight: bey hes bequest hath said that none shalth benownst the toen or place hes be gone to
06:36 PM pink_vampire: i wonder what you will think about me if i will disappear
06:36 PM XXCoder: you did few times
06:36 PM pink_vampire: i know
06:37 PM CaptHindsight: I'm not even sure what i just said :)
06:37 PM gloops: i noticed you had gone pink_vampire
06:37 PM XXCoder: I was bit worried but same time you are young or in least young-ish? not too sure on your age so I figured it was breaks from irc or machining
06:37 PM XXCoder: I oubt anyone noticed when I was missing for couple weeks lol
06:38 PM gloops: i went for a month or so and all i got was 'ohh..youre back gloops' lol
06:38 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: I'm the oldest teenager
06:38 PM XXCoder: is that like the world tallest midget?
06:39 PM Tom_L: pink, no that was Dick Clark
06:40 PM pink_vampire: O_o
06:41 PM pink_vampire: we need to find a better way to communicate, the irc is not up to date, and other then text it not support anything
06:42 PM XXCoder: https://xkcd.com/1782/
06:42 PM CaptHindsight: tjtr33 moved to Thailand
06:42 PM Tom_L: there is other social media
06:42 PM Tom_L: i avoid it
06:42 PM CaptHindsight: still posts on the mail list
06:45 PM CaptHindsight: IRC was never taken over by web hipsters
06:45 PM MarcelineVQ: a more relevant xkcd imo, https://xkcd.com/927/ whenever a new communication service comes out you just end up with people more spread out than ever without a clear idea of which place will help them best
06:45 PM XXCoder: :)
06:46 PM CaptHindsight: they are required to reinvent whatever they find interesting
06:46 PM pink_vampire: CaptHindsight: discord, and whatsapp also very professional
06:46 PM XXCoder: one thing I dont like about discord? its one server,.
06:46 PM XXCoder: irc is quite tough
06:47 PM CaptHindsight: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
06:49 PM pink_vampire: CaptHindsight: no voice, no image and links preview, no way to run it reliable on a phone, no archive, poor notification.
06:50 PM CaptHindsight: one can remain anonymous on IRC, that been kinds frowned on by back doored social sites
06:50 PM CaptHindsight: kins/kinda
06:50 PM XXCoder: discord: one server. take that down and no more channels. all of em
06:51 PM pink_vampire: CaptHindsight: all your date is sent here in plan text
06:51 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: they have more
06:51 PM Tom_L: that's a problem?
06:51 PM pink_vampire: I'm on discord
06:51 PM MarcelineVQ: In an era where you will be fired for having the wrong opinion anonymity is the only way to preserve free speech online.
06:52 PM Tom_L: even now you're linked to a registered nick
06:52 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: all owned by one company
06:52 PM pink_vampire: you can't delete stuff on IRC
06:52 PM XXCoder: that company goes under and by bye
06:53 PM Tom_L: good you think you can on other media
06:53 PM pink_vampire: IchGucksLive delete all his stuff
06:54 PM gloops: freenode has banned tor connections you can join with vpn though i think
06:54 PM gloops: (if you want to be anon)
06:54 PM gloops: pink_vampire from youtube?
06:55 PM pink_vampire: gloops: all his accounts
06:55 PM CaptHindsight: some VPN'S are blacklisted on freenode
06:55 PM gloops: well, ive seen relatives come on irc before when someone is deceased, i really doubt anyone in my family would try to do that, or even know how
06:56 PM Loetmichel: i thing (if its true that he is dead) that was more likely something his relatives did
06:56 PM Loetmichel: think
06:56 PM pink_vampire: maybe
06:56 PM gloops: you think he may have faked his own death online Loetmichel?
06:57 PM CaptHindsight: like a scene from the Godfather?
06:57 PM gloops: you know, sealive has been around in here for a few weeks
06:57 PM Loetmichel: gloops: no. so far i have only heard the statemend of some "anonymus" irc nick
06:57 PM Loetmichel: his grandson.
06:57 PM Loetmichel: that may or may not be true
06:57 PM gloops: CaptHindsight i forget which great poet said he'd love to be at his own funeral
06:58 PM Loetmichel: so i reserve the posibility that he is NOT dead until i get more evidence
06:58 PM Loetmichel: gloops: mark twain perhaps?
06:59 PM gloops: HenryV did it on the night before the great battle of Agincourt, he dressed as a commoner and mingled with the troops - to see what they said of the king, who they suspected was dead
06:59 PM gloops: he heard only great things about himself
06:59 PM CaptHindsight: maybe he wants to take over the open source CNC world
07:00 PM gloops: maybe a machine assimilated him, like in Tron
07:00 PM CaptHindsight: but coming back from the dead only works on sitcoms and maybe the bible stuff
07:00 PM Tom_L: be curious what directon freecad takes
07:00 PM gloops: yes, Ichs spotted a real problem with freecad - the cam bench
07:01 PM gloops: a lot of people are looking for free useable cam software
07:01 PM CaptHindsight: is freecad a Russian secret project?
07:01 PM pink_vampire: i don't think so
07:01 PM pink_vampire: this is a nice machinist server on discord, https://discord.gg/kfdcdh
07:02 PM gloops: i considered that, but 'freecad' doesnt seem to be an anagram of any great soviet leader
07:02 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: no, i meant i cant tell if that irc nick told the truth about anything, so he might not even be his grandson. until i see some more evidence i will entertain the possibility that it was just a way for the "grandson" to get his questions answered quicker... not a high possibility though.
07:02 PM XXCoder: gloops: he worked on cam a LOT
07:02 PM pink_vampire: I have to do house related stuff, so I will be AFK
07:02 PM CaptHindsight: murder over 4-5 axis CAM?
07:02 PM gloops: XXCoder yes some progress was made i think with cam in freecad
07:03 PM XXCoder: its been worked by someone for quite a while
07:03 PM XXCoder: ich did a lot to improve sim and stuff
07:03 PM CaptHindsight: DACFEER
07:03 PM gloops: ichs got trochoidal milling path working, but overall the .17 release was very buggy and they stripped many of the new features off
07:04 PM pink_vampire: maybe it was autodesk that saw the potential and save their F360?
07:04 PM CaptHindsight: LeninCAM
07:04 PM gloops: pink_vampire f360 is very popular, but you have to sell your soul to use it
07:04 PM XXCoder: I have heard nothing on assembly3 for freecad. is someone still working on it?
07:05 PM XXCoder: if not, I guess assembly curse strikes again
07:05 PM pink_vampire: gloops: did you say what onshape did?
07:05 PM pink_vampire: saw*
07:05 PM gloops: not used onshape
07:05 PM CaptHindsight: ShevicksBolCAM.... not joining that group
07:06 PM gloops: i have downloaded f360, and now my TV switches channel on its own, mainly to RT news or old footage of sputnik launches
07:06 PM CaptHindsight: MarxistsPeoplesCAM
07:07 PM gloops: you kinda know something is up when the only 2 primitives are a hammer and a sickel
07:08 PM XXCoder: I challenge you to make a cube and sphere with those
07:08 PM CaptHindsight: VladimirsCAMandnotanythingtoworryabout
07:08 PM pink_vampire: see you later
07:08 PM XXCoder: later pink_vampire
07:09 PM gloops: you know, i think ichs was a bit of nationalist, a patriot in any case
07:09 PM gloops: he was very keen to see german industry doing well
07:10 PM gloops: as is the spirit of the older germans, always will to help the young to learn and achieve and contribute
07:10 PM CaptHindsight: well they had a few problems starting in the 1930's
07:11 PM CaptHindsight: well really 1914
07:11 PM gloops: they made a good recovery though CaptHindsight
07:11 PM CaptHindsight: should have never trusted the Russians
07:12 PM gloops: i guess the score will always be UK 2 Germany 0 though, dont think there will be any more great wars
07:12 PM CaptHindsight: don't borrow or lend money
07:12 PM CaptHindsight: don't ------ into the wind
07:12 PM roycroft: because the uk won both wars alone
07:12 PM CaptHindsight: don't trust the Russians
07:12 PM roycroft: with no help from the french or the usa or canadians or australians or almost countless other nations
07:12 PM CaptHindsight: pretty much all you need to know
07:13 PM gloops: Stalin stuck to his word until Hitler seized Bulgaria, Bulgaria is always the last straw for some reason, i reckon its a sex thing
07:13 PM infornography: What is problem comrade Hindsight?
07:14 PM gloops: roycroft we didnt get any help for 4 years
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: yeah from 1935-39 :)
07:14 PM gloops: we call it the 39-45 war
07:14 PM gloops: the americans call it the 44-45 war
07:15 PM roycroft: we gave you ships in 1940
07:15 PM CaptHindsight: infornography: really means their leaders, not the average Joseph
07:15 PM roycroft: that was the start of us involvement in wwii
07:15 PM XXCoder: I still what would have happened if japan didnt attack usa
07:16 PM roycroft: before pearl harbor even
07:16 PM XXCoder: *wonder
07:16 PM gloops: it was only scrap metal really roycroft
07:16 PM roycroft: 90 working, albeit obsolete, destroyers
07:16 PM gloops: we had the situation under control XXCoder, churchill was a fool for getting the yanks involved
07:16 PM CaptHindsight: next time you're on your own
07:16 PM XXCoder: there was virtually no way germany would have won at all, but without aid germany would have ended up bigger
07:17 PM gloops: what would have happened is that the UK would have drawn on the empire, a longer war certainly, but the outcome would have been infitely better for us
07:17 PM roycroft: of all the bullshit you've ever spewed here, if you try to start claiming that the uk won wwii by itself, or would have won by itself, that would be the most outrageous and false
07:18 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: so the Soviets would have eventually moved west and taken over most of Europe?
07:18 PM roycroft: i'm not sure any nation would have been able to prevail on its own
07:18 PM roycroft: that is why there was an alliance
07:18 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: no this is fun
07:18 PM MarcelineVQ: by population alone germany got farther than ever made sense, one of the reasons ww2 is so fascinating
07:18 PM gloops: as Churchill said, in the event of american non intervention 'the new world would come to the aid of the old'
07:18 PM roycroft: yet you proceed to spew it anyway
07:19 PM gloops: MarcelineVQ there was no need to panic, the german housepainter was going nowhere
07:19 PM roycroft: i've met many americans with their heads totally up their arses, but i don't think i've met a brit whose head is stuck ao far up it's coming back out its own mouth before
07:19 PM gloops: the russians hammered him, at stalingrad, and especially at kursk
07:19 PM gloops: he failed in the battle of Britain
07:19 PM gloops: just a containment operation was necessary
07:20 PM CaptHindsight: the idea of a Soviet France fascinates me
07:20 PM MarcelineVQ: how do you feel about sharia france?
07:20 PM CaptHindsight: also interesting
07:21 PM gloops: i feel we need to be seperate from it
07:21 PM roycroft: there will be neither soviet france nor sharia france
07:21 PM CaptHindsight: Falafel France is fun to say
07:21 PM gloops: roycroft an islamic france is inevitable
07:21 PM MarcelineVQ: whatever there is will it be france is the question
07:21 PM gloops: the demographics are irrefutable
07:21 PM MarcelineVQ: nations are their people after all
07:22 PM gloops: no it wont be france, france is lost
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: even better FFF Farsi Falfel France
07:22 PM gloops: the only thing remaining will be french buildings
07:22 PM gloops: there are now more mosques in the south of france of churches
07:23 PM gloops: this was one of the most christian places on earth
07:23 PM gloops: more mosques than churches
07:23 PM CaptHindsight: but.. france is far less religious than it used to be
07:23 PM gloops: that wont last
07:24 PM CaptHindsight: I give france one maybe to muslim presidents before people get tired of it
07:24 PM CaptHindsight: we only had to have one muslim president before we got things right :P
07:24 PM * roycroft is glad this channel is logged, because perhaps some day when gloops grows up he'll review the logs and realise how silly he acted as a lad
07:25 PM MarcelineVQ: ye wee bab gloops
07:25 PM roycroft: :)
07:25 PM gloops: roycroft the problem here is you wont face the facts, youve been brainwashed by liberals and feminists for so long
07:25 PM CaptHindsight: oh wow
07:26 PM CaptHindsight: here comes the real nutty stuff
07:26 PM roycroft: remember the words of our great leader franklin delano roosevelt: the only thing to fear is everything that is different from us that we don't understand and may not like
07:26 PM gloops: a) you arent in europe b) i am
07:26 PM roycroft: no you're not
07:26 PM XXCoder: so location confers wisdom?
07:26 PM CaptHindsight: ha got him
07:26 PM gloops: technically i still am
07:26 PM roycroft: and that's something you british nationalists scream about every day
07:26 PM roycroft: that you're NOT european
07:26 PM roycroft: now you claim you are
07:27 PM CaptHindsight: how about the irish huh?
07:27 PM gloops: roycroft these soundbytes are nothing more than empty rhetoric, there is a real crisis in europe, growing worse even as we speak
07:27 PM CaptHindsight: refugee crisis?
07:27 PM gloops: Roosevelt knew nothing of france as it is
07:28 PM CaptHindsight: climate change crisis?
07:28 PM roycroft: which ones? the free ones or the subjugated ones? :)
07:28 PM gloops: he would turn in his grave if he saw it now
07:28 PM CaptHindsight: burrito wrap crisis?
07:28 PM gloops: what would hitler say if he could see germany today?
07:28 PM gloops: he would be horrified
07:28 PM CaptHindsight: "if only we had more time" ?
07:28 PM XXCoder: good because fuck him
07:29 PM gloops: and also - fuck sharia law
07:29 PM roycroft: yes, sharia law
07:29 PM roycroft: the thing that idiot nationalists fear that will never be imposed on the west
07:29 PM gloops: there are 400 sharia courts in the UK today
07:29 PM roycroft: it's all just an excuse for bigotry
07:29 PM gloops: astonishing
07:29 PM CaptHindsight: is parliament discussing adopting Sharia law now? hhmmm
07:30 PM gloops: yes it is
07:30 PM gloops: and we have
07:30 PM roycroft: i'm glad you agree with me that it's just an excuse for bigotry :)
07:30 PM XXCoder: are you wtaching your country version of fox news?
07:30 PM CaptHindsight: has the royals all converted as well?
07:30 PM roycroft: that's the first honest thing you've ever said here
07:31 PM tiwake: not surprising at all considering how horrible paris is now
07:31 PM gloops: it wont be long CaptHindsight
07:31 PM CaptHindsight: Paris is horrible now?
07:31 PM roycroft: yeah, that new dutchess of sussex has a somewhat dark complexion
07:32 PM MarcelineVQ: Relegating the issues of the day to bigotry and racism only allows the issues to grow, there's no solution to be found there.
07:32 PM roycroft: that's the first step towards the royals adopting sharia law
07:32 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5796747/David-Jones-goes-inside-Britains-secretive-sharia-courts-special-report.html
07:32 PM gloops: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorce
07:32 PM gloops: seriously, americans do not know
07:32 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRKW2WRXczQ
07:32 PM roycroft: marcelinevq: but if they're not going to be honest then there's nowhere to go anyway
07:32 PM CaptHindsight: Britain's secretive sharia courts, so secret nobody knows about them
07:32 PM roycroft: i understand what you're saying
07:33 PM gloops: i dont give a shit about racism anymore, that term has been used to silence us, im not racist, but ive had enough
07:33 PM roycroft: this is the argument i have with people here all the time, people of both of the mainstream political pesuasions
07:33 PM CaptHindsight: in the USA we have secret socialist money give away centers
07:33 PM roycroft: you're worse than racist
07:33 PM CaptHindsight: you have to be hispanic to get benefits
07:33 PM gloops: i dont give a shit about islam, muslims, or whatever, i dont want it here
07:33 PM roycroft: yourjingoist
07:33 PM roycroft: you're jingoist, rather
07:33 PM roycroft: brittania über alles
07:33 PM gloops: i know what it means, its shit, and it doesnt belong here
07:34 PM MarcelineVQ: Is that the new term to water down, jingoist? Racism has been so abused and overused it doesn't even have a relevant meaning anymore.
07:34 PM CaptHindsight: I have friends in Paris, it's not bad
07:34 PM roycroft: marcelinevq: actually, most people don't even know what it means
07:34 PM gloops: correct MarcelineVQ
07:34 PM roycroft: but it's clearly what gloops is
07:35 PM MarcelineVQ: Most people don't know what racist means either these days
07:35 PM gloops: i mean look, ive just been proudly proclaiming our victory over racism, in the world war
07:35 PM roycroft: as demonstrated some moments ago by his claim that the world wars were not really world wars, but uk vs germany
07:35 PM gloops: i am not a racist
07:35 PM XXCoder: just anti-different
07:36 PM roycroft: i try to avoid engaging with him and his bullshit, but that i could not ignore
07:36 PM roycroft: i'm not sure that even donald trump would come up with something that insane
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: now maybe gloops has a reason for all this fear
07:36 PM roycroft: well, maybe
07:36 PM gloops: Paul Weston - i am a racist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWcVguB0GaY
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: he might have suffered trauma
07:36 PM roycroft: capthindsight: i don't deny that there are real issues, real problems that frustrate people
07:37 PM gloops: well, what im saying here, wait till it comes to your town
07:37 PM roycroft: again, an argument i have every single day, mostly with my "democratic" friends
07:37 PM roycroft: they are still in 100% denial that our last presidential election was legitimate
07:37 PM gloops: and when that day comes, you will say - fuck, after all i said, old gloops was right
07:37 PM roycroft: that the russians or some other forces "stole" it from clinton
07:37 PM roycroft: because it's inconceivable that we could elect someone like donald trump
07:38 PM CaptHindsight: I'm surround by ignorant, selfish and childish people
07:38 PM MarcelineVQ: Why shouldn't they, they probaly also think the media is an instrument of truth eh?
07:38 PM tiwake: everyone I don't like is a communist bastard
07:38 PM roycroft: i was telling them for over a year before the election that he could win because he knows how to connect with people wh oare being ignored
07:38 PM CaptHindsight: oh and arrogant
07:38 PM tiwake: :P
07:38 PM roycroft: and they told me there is no way that is true
07:38 PM Tom_L: man we sure go nuts here on the weekends...
07:39 PM roycroft: i spent over a year talking about how clinton and the democratic party are ignoring their base
07:39 PM roycroft: and that their base are frustrated
07:39 PM roycroft: and that trump could turn the base
07:39 PM roycroft: and that is *exactly* what happened
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: yah can't machine all the time
07:39 PM roycroft: they did not listen
07:39 PM roycroft: and look what happened
07:39 PM MarcelineVQ: Well, you gotta vent, otherwise people might actually frustrated enough to do something and create change./
07:40 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: try to see this from the perspective of a frightened person
07:40 PM CaptHindsight: not fake freight, true fear and anxiety
07:40 PM roycroft: capthindsight: am i that poor a communicator?
07:40 PM roycroft: isn't that exactly what i've been saying all along?
07:40 PM CaptHindsight: not at all
07:41 PM roycroft: i'm trying to make the point that i fully get that gloops is upset and frustrated about a lot that is going on in his country
07:41 PM CaptHindsight: but you can't reason with a frightened person
07:42 PM CaptHindsight: not at all a poor communicator
07:42 PM roycroft: yeah, i should just shut up
07:42 PM gloops: you can reason with a frightened person, a frightened person wants solutions
07:42 PM roycroft: this is not even remotely within the scope of the channel
07:42 PM roycroft: i'm getting better at ignoring troll bait, but sometimes i succumb anyway
07:42 PM * roycroft is far from perfect
07:43 PM CaptHindsight: the only thing to fear is fear itself, and ghosts
07:43 PM gloops: what you cant do is convince someone that the same liberal ideas that destroyed his country, present the solution
07:43 PM roycroft: when did i ever try to do that, gloops?
07:43 PM CaptHindsight: reality is perception...
07:44 PM CaptHindsight: even if it's not reality
07:44 PM gloops: as above - this isnt really the place for this debate
07:44 PM roycroft: la vida es sueño, y los sueños sueños son
07:45 PM roycroft: for the record, btw, not being a jingoist/racist/hateful asshole does not one a "liberal" make
07:45 PM roycroft: i'm sure you'll continue to apply that label to me, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, but that doesn't make it true
07:46 PM CaptHindsight: sticks and stones
07:46 PM * roycroft thinks it's time to make dinner
07:47 PM roycroft: and i am sorry - i haven't gotten into it with gloops in quite a while
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: no problem
07:47 PM tiwake: the progressive left is what is gnashing with their teeth, rioting and setting things on fire and getting money to try to block Kavanaugh's hearings...
07:47 PM roycroft: i really do try to avoid engaging with him on politics, but as i said, i'm far from perfect, and i did succumb this time
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: tends to be too quiet in here in the US evenings
07:47 PM MarcelineVQ: I don't have much to usefully say on the topic given all the nuances of the subject but I would be terrified if I was a non-rich white male in the UK right now. Everyone ostensibly has the same legal protections, which on paper is entirely true but in judgment doesn't tend to be, but that particular class has zero social protections. For all the social vengeance warriors and white knights, there's no white maidens out there.
07:47 PM XXCoder: I disconencted as soon asi I did action "break out beers"
07:47 PM XXCoder: odd
07:48 PM roycroft: and i'll not take the batit on the current circus in washington :)
07:48 PM roycroft: it's the same here, marcelinevq, and those are the people who became trump's base
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: it's a good lesson for progressives, there are lots of scared and damaged people that want to control you
07:49 PM roycroft: but he's not solving their problems - he's just playing to their fears
07:49 PM roycroft: anwyay, i'm off to market
07:49 PM tiwake: the progressive left don't want to part with their problems
07:49 PM MarcelineVQ: roycroft: Now that's just your perceptions there :>
07:50 PM CaptHindsight: this is what happens when you keep people ignorant
07:50 PM CaptHindsight: somebody smarter comes along and takes over your zombies
07:51 PM XXCoder: this is where school budget cuts come in
07:52 PM tiwake: blame the parents not the school
07:53 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight: did you see some of that video I linked?
07:53 PM tiwake: first couple minutes anyway
07:54 PM CaptHindsight: tiwake: yes, and I have seen a few others
07:54 PM CaptHindsight: I watch French TV often and their news
07:54 PM tiwake: alright
07:55 PM CaptHindsight: 2nd prize, 2 weeks all expenses paid in Texas, 1st prize, 1 week in Texas :)
07:56 PM CaptHindsight: my dearly departed friend Johns favorite joke
07:56 PM XXCoder: lol
07:56 PM CaptHindsight: from texas
07:57 PM XXCoder: last place, lifetime there :P
08:01 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.france24.com/en/livefeed in English
08:04 PM CaptHindsight: tiwake: it's the parents and the schools, you have to go back a few generations to see the decay
08:57 PM roycroft: we may get a wee bit of rain tonight
08:57 PM roycroft: that would be novel
09:00 PM Tom_L: week's worth and counting here
09:02 PM roycroft: it hasn't rained here in earnest since june
09:02 PM roycroft: it's still pretty smokey here as well
09:03 PM roycroft: rain usually helps get rid of that
09:04 PM roycroft: not the rain per se, i think, but the westerly winds that come with the rain
10:40 PM XXCoder: roycroft: minor rain here. finally.
10:40 PM XXCoder: there was traces of smoke but wasnt bad
10:41 PM XXCoder: was bad, rated at 166
10:41 PM jesseg: major rain here
10:42 PM Wolf_: you all are welcome to take all the rain you want from Maryland, flash flooding in Baltimore area again this evening
10:42 PM XXCoder: lol
10:42 PM XXCoder: too bad, I'd haven taken offer last month
10:45 PM Wolf_: lol
10:50 PM Wolf_: i wonder if I should clearpath this plasma thing build
10:51 PM roycroft: we'll have plenty of rain come november or so
10:51 PM roycroft: it's getting a bit late for our first autumn rain though
10:51 PM roycroft: well, almost late
10:51 PM roycroft: another week and it will be late
10:52 PM XXCoder: you at wa state roy
10:52 PM pink_vampire: back!
10:52 PM XXCoder: welcome, my favorite UV-allegric person
10:53 PM roycroft: i am in oregon, willamette valley
10:53 PM XXCoder: ahh no wonder
10:53 PM roycroft: west of the mountains and east of the mountains
10:54 PM XXCoder: if you sit in middle of mountain range, youre west and east of mountains techinically lol but yeah
10:54 PM XXCoder: I live near ocean, inlet sea of puget sound
10:54 PM roycroft: where on the sound?
10:54 PM roycroft: i used to live in bellingham
10:55 PM XXCoder: tacoma
10:55 PM roycroft: which is actually on the strait of juan da fuca
10:55 PM roycroft: aah, armpit of the northwet :)
10:55 PM XXCoder: #1 on crime
10:55 PM roycroft: well, it used to be, before they put a cork in the weyerhauser smokestack
10:55 PM XXCoder: in wa state anyway lol
10:56 PM roycroft: tacoma is still in the olympic mountains rain shadow
10:56 PM roycroft: not as much as seattle, but you still get a lot less rain than other parts of western washington
10:57 PM XXCoder: yeah though this summer was super duper dry even compared to normal standards
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: crime? in the Seattle area hah
11:05 PM XXCoder: I didnt say seattle I said tacoma :P
11:05 PM XXCoder: tacoma is crime #1 city in wa
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: come to the SW side of Chicago
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: still hah crime :)
11:05 PM XXCoder: thats not in washington state :P
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: \it's all relative
11:06 PM XXCoder: not location
11:06 PM Wolf_: west bloodymore #1
11:06 PM Wolf_: err Baltimore
11:07 PM CaptHindsight: all the towns that capitalism forgot
11:33 PM Wolf_: could be worse.. we could all be stuck in new jersey
11:40 PM XXCoder: went to n bunch of times for interviews
11:40 PM XXCoder: didnt get any job lol
11:40 PM XXCoder: nj