#linuxcnc Logs
Sep 05 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:14 AM fragalot: hi
12:18 AM pink_vampire: hi
12:32 AM ziper: im still on 7
12:33 AM ziper: every time i try and use 8 or 10 i want to kill myself
12:35 AM ziper: when they drop support for 7 maybe then i will finally switch to linux
12:36 AM _unreal_: just ordered my pendent https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06X6HF32W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ALZ7MHEFAFVM6&psc=1
12:37 AM Wolf__: nice, any reason you picked that one?
12:37 AM Wolf__: looks cool?
12:37 AM _unreal_: ziper, you must be talking about win10
12:37 AM _unreal_: Wolf__, suport for 6 axis
12:38 AM _unreal_: and wireless
12:38 AM Wolf__: in mach3
12:38 AM _unreal_: and linux
12:38 AM Wolf__: linuxcnc reviews I have seen on that one were less than stellar
12:41 AM _unreal_: Wolf__, truth be told I though about this one ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8cTXHNTom4
12:41 AM Wolf__: lol
12:42 AM Wolf__: I have one of the HB-04 wireless, have yet to really play with it
12:45 AM _unreal_: almost 2am I should go to bed
01:26 AM gloops: someone making a 6 axis?
01:48 AM Deejay: moin
02:06 AM _unreal_: gloops, I just purchased a nice 6 axis control pendent
02:06 AM _unreal_: just options for expansion
02:06 AM _unreal_: but other wise hay the 4 axis pendent was $120 and the 6 was 130 so hell why not
02:07 AM _unreal_: cant sleep btw
02:08 AM gloops: seems expensive unreal
02:09 AM pink_vampire: 120$ LOL
02:09 AM pink_vampire: why
02:10 AM gloops: i dont know, i dont use one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-6-Axis-5V-CNC-Manual-Pulse-Generator-Pendant-Handheld-Controller/192562092401?
02:11 AM pink_vampire: gloops: can you type commands with is?
02:11 AM gloops: no just a couple of knobs and wheel
02:11 AM gloops: not wireless
02:12 AM _unreal_: I didnt care aout the wireless
02:12 AM _unreal_: there just wasnt a wired 6 axis one
02:12 AM _unreal_: that I could find
02:13 AM gloops: only issue id have with wireless is that id constantly be putting it down and losing it lol
02:13 AM MarcelineVQ: main issue with wireless, aside from potential latency of commands actually being followed, is batteries are annoying
02:15 AM _unreal_: no argument
02:16 AM _unreal_: http://www.cdxhctech.com/html/eProduct/view_137_363.html LOL
02:16 AM _unreal_: look at the bottom of the page where is says more details
02:27 AM gloops: that does look a nice piece of kit though
02:39 AM _unreal_: I wonder if I should have gotten this http://www.up-board.org/up/ instead of the tinker board?
02:39 AM _unreal_: only just found it
02:43 AM _unreal_: nope... the 4gb ram version is $200
02:43 AM _unreal_: I paid $50 for the tinker
02:43 AM _unreal_: and the up board does not have wifi, bt. and a number of other things. thinker has it all
04:07 AM _unreal_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNiG4oZc8tA good lord
04:43 AM miss0r2: jthornton. I like that the brackets just got handed to me by the postman. I still haven't seen the package :D
04:43 AM miss0r2 is now known as miss0r
04:49 AM jthornton: morning
04:49 AM jthornton: you got the din rail clips before the rest?
04:49 AM miss0r: morning. :)
04:49 AM miss0r: yeah
04:49 AM jthornton: weird
04:50 AM miss0r: nah.. Customs just released the rest this morning
04:51 AM jthornton: I guess because the brackets were in an envelope they passed customs faster?
04:52 AM miss0r: yeah. They hardly ever even consider looking at envelopes
04:55 AM jthornton: how was the envelope when it arrived?
04:55 AM XXCoder: boo
04:55 AM miss0r: intact. Hardly a bend in the cardboard you wrapped them to
04:55 AM jthornton: nice
04:55 AM jthornton: I was a bit worried using an envelope but a box shot it up to the next price level
04:55 AM miss0r: yeah, no need for that. but those brackets look sturdy enough. Even if they had treated it the way they usualy to parcels, I think it would've done fine
04:55 AM miss0r: to=do
04:57 AM miss0r: I ordered those converters for my linear scales from Sofia, bulgaria. It seems it is out for delievery today. I sure hope I didn't pay all that money for a brick in a box.. (always a little suspicious about doing buisness with that contry)
04:59 AM jthornton: lol
05:02 AM miss0r: jthornton: I hope i'm not offending anyone in here by saying that Bulgaria is the Mexico of europe
05:09 AM jthornton: hmm the latest version of debian has python 3.4 and linux mint has 3.11+ wtf
05:09 AM MarcelineVQ: If you're willing to say that you're not really worried about offense anyway, and you shouldn't be
05:09 AM MarcelineVQ: *shouldn't be worried
05:23 AM Tom_L: morning
05:24 AM jthornton: morning
05:26 AM Tom_L: others were 'test', upper left is a winner i think: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/encoder/encoder5.jpg
05:29 AM Tom_L: 73°F Hi 81
05:31 AM jthornton: 69°F hi 89°F
05:31 AM jthornton: rain the rest of this week
05:38 AM XXCoder: will be 80f tomorrow ugh
05:38 AM XXCoder: then it drops hard into high 60s
05:40 AM miss0r: MarcelineVQ: Well, not completely true. Both statements are true; I hope I am not offending anyone, and bulgaria is the mexico of europe. While these are both accurate, I did not utter them to offend anyone, merely to clarify what I feel about bulgaria :)
05:41 AM miss0r: But should anyone be offended, that is on them :)
05:45 AM MarcelineVQ: for me the word bulgaria has always had this sort of fantastical quality to it, like it's one of the made up country names used in movies
05:48 AM miss0r: For me it is usualy associated with organized crime
05:53 AM jthornton: XXCoder: send some of that cooler weather this way
05:53 AM rmu|w: for me, the countries that come to mind with organized crime are italy, wallstreet and moscow ;)
05:58 AM XXCoder: jthornton: sure I will send that 80f tomorrow ;)
06:01 AM jthornton: :)
06:29 AM jthornton: I've got python 3.5.6 on this pc but it's 32bit and there is no pip pyqt5 for 32 bit the debian 9 is 64 bit but python is 3.5.3 and there is no pip for pyqt5 for that version it requires 3.5.4 and on and on and on
06:31 AM jthornton: so I used pyenv to set the version to 3.5.6 but python --version still reports back 3.5.3 I give up
06:32 AM XXCoder: python sucks
06:32 AM XXCoder: tinkering with that may "brick" your opc
06:32 AM jthornton: so I try and update the docs and now they won't make because I don't have pango and cairo
06:32 AM XXCoder: its amazing how brittle python is
06:33 AM jthornton: it's amazing how linux is just a dependency hell
06:35 AM jthornton: sunrise time to let the hens out
06:39 AM jthornton: configure: error: Python pango and cairo modules not found!
06:39 AM jthornton: install with "sudo apt-get install python-gtk2"
06:39 AM jthornton: python-gtk2 is already the newest version.
06:40 AM jthornton: LOL
06:42 AM miss0r: :]
06:56 AM jthornton: python 3.6 was released in 2000 so 17 years later debian is still using python 3.5.3
07:07 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: in python you MUST keep your indentation correct - it is part from the language
07:13 AM rmu|w: jthornton: python 3.6 was released in 2016
07:13 AM jthornton: wow I have 278.3GB of crap on this pc
07:14 AM jthornton: hmm I must have misread the page
07:15 AM jthornton: oh that was 1.6 lol
07:15 AM jthornton: https://www.python.org/download/releases/
07:16 AM pink_vampire: I'm safe Python 2.7.15 2018-05-01
07:18 AM pink_vampire: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/guido_van_rossum
07:30 AM miss0r: MY glass scale signal converters just got delievered! :) They are looking good: https://imgur.com/a/B0L6jkX
07:31 AM miss0r: I am very pleasantly surprised. Even though I ordered three units, they have taken the time and money to put them all in a din-rail mount, and even added all the plugs needed for wire them up in the box.
07:31 AM * miss0r is happy
07:32 AM pink_vampire: what is "glass scale signal converters"
07:32 AM pink_vampire: i know what is a "glass scale"
07:33 AM miss0r: The glass scales I have on my maho.. well, the glass scale reader head, gives out a funky signal that is not straight forward to work with. These take care of that for me
07:34 AM pink_vampire: so you convert it from funky to? non funky?
07:34 AM miss0r: Basically, yeah :)
07:34 AM pink_vampire: lol
07:35 AM miss0r: I can't remember the term for the 'funky' signal. But these put out RS422 or TTL. so, alot of options to interface with the mesa board
07:35 AM pink_vampire: i know there is ttl converters or funky to A B signal.
07:36 AM pink_vampire: i want to try load an AB glass scale as an encoder for the gecko 320x
07:36 AM miss0r: I had to order these from bulgaria. They are made specifically for the philips PE2480/10 & PE2520/10 found on the maho
07:37 AM miss0r: sounds like a fun project
07:37 AM pink_vampire: you have fancy stuff going on there
07:38 AM miss0r: I'm retrofitting my maho cnc. and as I use it in daily production, I do not want to cheap out
07:38 AM pink_vampire: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Best-price-5micron-linear-scale-5V-TTL-linear-encoder-with-3-5meter-cable/163198062323?hash=item25ff5ccef3%3Am%3AmfH67oMZR-GuXafbhq9YSZA&var=462384199173
07:39 AM pink_vampire: i want to try something like that.. but it is 78$ experiment..
07:40 AM miss0r: well.. these three converters set me back ~$230usd a piece. plus a pretty pricy shipment
07:41 AM pink_vampire: what is the resolution of your glass scale?
07:42 AM miss0r: 1um
07:42 AM pink_vampire: that nice
07:42 AM miss0r: Part of the reason I'm paying big buck to keep'em
07:47 AM pink_vampire: the china stuff also go now to 1micron
07:47 AM miss0r: Some of them do, sure.
07:47 AM miss0r: But I would have to say; if I replaced them, I would not use glass scales.
07:47 AM pink_vampire: why?
07:47 AM pink_vampire: there is something better?
07:47 AM miss0r: I would go for the magnetic strip ones. Much cheaper, less setup, alot more rigid and not to mention the price is alot better
07:47 AM miss0r: I don't know if theres a widely available chinesium version of such
07:47 AM pink_vampire: what is faster?
07:49 AM pink_vampire: i know the magnetic ones are infinite resolution basically, and it depends on ho good is your electronics
07:49 AM miss0r: the strips I've worked with are not 'infinite'. I don't know any that are
07:49 AM pink_vampire: there is no "lines" on the magnetic
07:49 AM miss0r: The ones I know & work with have two seprate 'lanes' one is the indexing the other has lines
07:49 AM rmu|w: there is no "infinite" resolution.
07:50 AM miss0r: pink_vampire: if you realy zoom in, they have realy small magnets swapping polarity along the length of the measuering lane
07:51 AM pink_vampire: rmu|w: by infinite i mean it is analog signal, that your electronic cut to whatever resolution
07:52 AM rmu|w: sin/cos encoder
07:53 AM pink_vampire: I think my cui encoder work in the same way
07:53 AM pink_vampire: there is no optics inside, just dry electronic
07:54 AM miss0r: mah... I had mcdonalds for lunch.. at the moment I have McTummy(r)
07:55 AM pink_vampire: i think the cui are capacitive encoders
08:05 AM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULQ6196Tfds
08:06 AM flyback: pink_vampire, HEH i was just discussing that shit wiht my dad the other day
08:06 AM flyback: mems sensors, hall effect etc
08:07 AM pink_vampire: I'm that close to freak out
08:07 AM flyback: very cool stuff
08:07 AM pink_vampire: I live 10-32, this is my "go to screw" for everything.
08:07 AM pink_vampire: love*
08:08 AM flyback: I watched a video on vfd on water plant pumps
08:08 AM flyback: and they used transducer sensors
08:08 AM flyback: and it was awesome how the vfd would scale the pump up and down to keep the pressure at xxx
08:11 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/aKx6GpF.png
08:11 AM pink_vampire: WTF!!
08:12 AM pink_vampire: that mean that i need to go with M4 screws
08:13 AM pink_vampire: ERRR
08:13 AM flyback: pink_vampire, just repeat after me
08:13 AM flyback: *CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED*
08:13 AM pink_vampire: ...
08:13 AM flyback: *CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED*
08:13 AM flyback: :P
08:14 AM * flyback drags rue_mohr against pink_vampire's photo
08:15 AM pink_vampire: O_O
08:16 AM flyback: the photo of the mistake not a photo of you
08:17 AM pink_vampire: the only screw they have is M4 X 12mm
08:17 AM pink_vampire: I need about 20mm
08:19 AM pink_vampire: maybe 8-32 iwll be my saver..
08:23 AM miss0r|office2: What're you building pink_vampire?
08:23 AM pink_vampire: belt drive servo spindle
08:25 AM pink_vampire: the problem is that i need to connect 1/8" plate to 2 blocks that ill hold the motor
08:26 AM miss0r|office2: ha
08:29 AM miss0r|office2: What is it for?
08:30 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/klkz5LL.png
08:30 AM pink_vampire: the gray is 1/8" plate
08:31 AM miss0r|office2: Any reason you are not just using cylinderhead allen screws?
08:31 AM Wolf__: why the heck are you running the screw in that far
08:31 AM pink_vampire: so i need to connect it some how to the black (half transparent)
08:32 AM Wolf__: you only need probably 8 threads min engagement
08:32 AM pink_vampire: it is seat on the head of the machine so the screw head must be flash with the plate
08:33 AM pink_vampire: Wolf__: it is aluminum, and i want to torque it really hard
08:34 AM pink_vampire: so if the plate is 1/8" thick, the ideal head screw thickness will be about 1/16"
08:37 AM pink_vampire: i think this is the best that i can get https://i.imgur.com/1tQy8IB.png
08:38 AM Wolf__: whats the width on the black part
08:38 AM pink_vampire: close the 8mm head diameter, and about 2mm head thinkness, that can bet sanded to 1.6
08:38 AM pink_vampire: Wolf__: 8mm
08:38 AM pink_vampire: 8mm is the plate thickness that i have
08:40 AM pink_vampire: 3 screws on the bottom 8-32, and 2 screws on the top 10-32, i think it ill be ok..
08:40 AM Wolf__: if it was my project, I would be using m3 flat head counter sink head
08:43 AM pink_vampire: i dont like the "counter sink" for high torque it is mushroom the plate instead of sandwich it
08:43 AM Wolf__: your not going to high torque anything if you half the hex key engagement of the screw
08:44 AM pink_vampire: i'm going to torque it with some jb-weld, and then sand it,
08:45 AM Wolf__: huh
08:46 AM pink_vampire: you know just to make sure..
08:46 AM pink_vampire: i need 8-32 tap
08:48 AM Wolf__: so you’re going to counter sink 2mm in to a 3mm plate for a button head screw and put jb-weld between the parts to make up for the problem?
08:48 AM pink_vampire: no.
08:50 AM pink_vampire: i'm going to counter sink 1.6mm in 3.175 plate, jb-weld it, torque the screw, sand it flash
08:51 AM pink_vampire: all i'm going to sand is 0.4-0.5 mm from the head..
08:51 AM Wolf__: I’m kinda lost to why add jb-weld
08:51 AM pink_vampire: servo.. vibrations.
08:51 AM pink_vampire: i can't weld it, so i jb-weld it
08:52 AM Wolf__: red or blue locktite on the threads
08:52 AM Wolf__: thats what its made for
08:52 AM pink_vampire: it is just for the bottom plate
08:52 AM pink_vampire: Wolf__: jb-weld on the metal to metal contact not in the screw
08:53 AM Wolf__: wont really do much IMO
08:53 AM pink_vampire: just to make sure...
08:55 AM Wolf__: and that hex is only 1.3mm deep, -0.5mm means you now have 0.8mm of hex key engagement, probably strip it out before you get any torque on it
08:55 AM pink_vampire: no no no
08:56 AM Wolf__: going to turn it off the load side of the head?
08:56 AM pink_vampire: first i torque it with jb-weld.... then it become solid.. and only then I'm sanding the head.
08:57 AM Wolf__: jb-weld isnt torque
08:57 AM MacGalempsy: mornin
08:58 AM Wolf__: moring Mac
08:58 AM pink_vampire: by torque it i mean close it very hard
08:58 AM Wolf__: clamp?
08:59 AM pink_vampire: I hope the end mill is long enough to cut the block
09:00 AM MacGalempsy: anyone making chips this morning?
09:01 AM Wolf__: IMO not a good design, if youre worried about the mount block holding in place just add another screw to it, and m3 flat head would mean 6mm head dia so would leave some meat around the hole
09:03 AM pink_vampire: m3 will bent
09:03 AM Wolf__: then you’re not designing correctly
09:04 AM Wolf__: screw bending means shear forces
09:04 AM pink_vampire: a good design is is to weld it from steel, or make it from one solid plate
09:06 AM Wolf__: those all have draw backs to them
09:06 AM Wolf__: welding steel means you need to make the plates, weld, then correct for warping
09:07 AM Wolf__: solid plate means lot of material removal/waste
09:07 AM pink_vampire: to machine it from steel will be ideal
09:07 AM pink_vampire: even 1/4" will be better then 1/8"
09:09 AM Wolf__: I think I was planning on doing my spindle motor mount plate with 1/4” alum bottom, 3/8” mount blocks and 1/8” for the motor plate
09:09 AM pink_vampire: i have no 1/4" plate
09:10 AM Wolf__: ebay has plenty
09:10 AM pink_vampire: I have no spindle..
09:11 AM pink_vampire: i want to make something just to see how the servo is behave, even 3d printed mount will be good just for testing
09:12 AM pink_vampire: this is why i want to use stuff i already have on hand
09:12 AM Wolf__: oh, this is a axis drive servo?
09:12 AM pink_vampire: no
09:13 AM pink_vampire: it is a servo, like my X Y Z servos, but it is going to be my Slo Speed servo spindle
09:13 AM pink_vampire: slow*
09:14 AM pink_vampire: for tapping, facing, and stuff like that
09:14 AM Wolf__: ok, so something like a 750w servo?
09:14 AM pink_vampire: the largest from automation technology
09:15 AM Wolf__: https://www.ebay.com/str/stonerstoolsandrawmaterials/1-4-Thick/_i.html?_storecat=4554539017
09:15 AM pink_vampire: 0 results shown in all categories
09:16 AM Wolf__: weird
09:16 AM pink_vampire: those are the motors https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema-34-dc-servo-motor/4-axis-nema34/
09:19 AM Wolf__: kinda spendy way to get 700w of spindle
09:20 AM pink_vampire: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema-34-dc-servo-motor/skewed-rear-shaft/
09:20 AM pink_vampire: this is just the motor
09:20 AM pink_vampire: it is not about the just a spindle, it is a C axis also,
09:22 AM pink_vampire: rigid tapping, broaching. and use it as A axis if the HF spindle is mount on the table
09:23 AM pink_vampire: and I'm hoping that it will be about 2500-3000 rpm or so..
09:24 AM Wolf__: no torque curves, no data sheet, so no clue if that would work
09:25 AM pink_vampire: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/12/KL34-180-72.pdf
09:26 AM Wolf__: yes, no torque curves in that
09:26 AM pink_vampire: it is DC
09:27 AM pink_vampire: https://i.stack.imgur.com/QuZng.gif
09:27 AM pink_vampire: the torque is linear
09:28 AM Wolf__: so at 3000rpm it will have 0 torque
09:29 AM pink_vampire: (it is just a random table from google that show the relationship of torque/amps in DC motors)
09:29 AM pink_vampire: no
09:29 AM MacGalempsy: well the old cnc got sold with the house... back to the drawing board...
09:31 AM pink_vampire: continues current is 7.8A*0.182Nm = 1.4196Nm at no load
09:32 AM pink_vampire: if you brake it it can draw up to 40A so 40*0.182= 7.28 Nm
09:36 AM Wolf__: I’ve only messed with BLDC stuff so no idea, still sounds off to me
09:37 AM pink_vampire: i have mo idea also
09:37 AM pink_vampire: this is what i want to test it and see
09:37 AM Wolf__: my 470w servo does 1.26N-m cont stall and 2.06N-m peak
09:39 AM Wolf__: the “big” one 821w 5.21N-m cont, 9.45N-m peak
09:39 AM pink_vampire: hoss machine use stepper name 23 with 1:5 belt or so as tapping head, i'm going to use the one i show you
09:41 AM pink_vampire: all i know is the machine have huge amount of force on the XYZ and i need to limit the acceleration on those motors otherwise the house is shaking
09:42 AM Wolf__: inertia...
09:42 AM pink_vampire: instead of the 15000mm / min that they can deliver I'm working with 2400 mm/min MAX
09:44 AM pink_vampire: Wolf__: i mean they can run full speed and stop and revers so fast that the table and the house shaking. = also very high torque
09:45 AM pink_vampire: but all that it is not a real test as spindle in 1:1 ratio, and also not very scientific.
09:47 AM pink_vampire: so.. I'm going to get some screws, and tap, and hope also gonna work.
09:48 AM Wolf__: have fun, I need to get off my ass and drive up to philly to look at a crane… yay…
09:49 AM pink_vampire: to philly !
09:49 AM pink_vampire: PA?
09:49 AM Wolf__: yeah
09:49 AM pink_vampire: COOL
09:49 AM pink_vampire: I will be in NJ
09:51 AM Wolf__: cool, almost too close :P
09:52 AM pink_vampire: one day..
09:59 AM pink_vampire: https://www.yhscrew.com/
11:17 AM fragalot: hey
11:17 AM Tom_L: hay
11:19 AM fragalot: turns out that if you ask for a machine that can handle 1800x800mm panels, or cabinets of 1200x800x400 that you wind up with the "big boy" VMC's
11:19 AM fragalot: :D
11:19 AM Tom_L: yup
11:19 AM fragalot: worst thing is we only really need about 200mm of Z travel if the part can be adjusted to the right height >.>
11:19 AM Wolf__: launch fail, not feeling like spending 4hrs+ in my car today lol
11:19 AM Tom_L: priced accordingly too
11:20 AM fragalot: all we need is a beefy router that can handle stainless
11:20 AM Tom_L: stainless is crap to machine
11:20 AM fragalot: turns out that that request quickly leads to twin column bridge mills :D
11:21 AM Tom_L: with footing to acomodate it as well
11:21 AM fragalot: yup
11:21 AM fragalot: Mr. boss man wants to already get something in our current building rather than wait until the new one is finished
11:21 AM Wolf__: sometimes it makes more sense to farm out some work lol
11:22 AM fragalot: but I don't think he quite realizes just how heavy these are
11:22 AM fragalot: Wolf__: that's what we do now, but our subcontractor is retiring and everyone else is 6x more expensive (yes, really)
11:22 AM Tom_L: tell him he can't retire yet
11:22 AM fragalot: and we are just on the edge of QTY's where getting a machine to DIY is actually feasible
11:22 AM Wolf__: that will do it
11:22 AM fragalot: Tom_L: we did - he then got a heart attack on holiday :(
11:23 AM Wolf__: buy out his stuff then
11:23 AM Tom_L: bummer
11:23 AM Tom_L: that might not be a bad option...
11:23 AM fragalot: Wolf__: not really that interested in that
11:23 AM fragalot: none of his machines meet CE requirements any more (which is fine if you're self employed, but not if you employ others)
11:23 AM fragalot: and they are also undersized and require 4 setups to do one panel
11:23 AM Wolf__: doh
11:24 AM fragalot: well, one side of the panel
11:24 AM Tom_L: but he's cheap!
11:24 AM Wolf__: lol
11:24 AM fragalot: Tom_L: AND good.
11:24 AM fragalot: zero complaints about his services :D
11:24 AM Tom_L: you can't buy that anymore
11:24 AM fragalot: I also know some of his machines are starting to have technical difficulties
11:25 AM fragalot: so.. we'd rather spend a bit more & get new :-)
11:25 AM Wolf__: what sort of work is it on the panels?
11:25 AM fragalot: generic cutouts, button holes, cable glands, HMI cutouts, etc
11:26 AM fragalot: the biggest issue to find "one machine" is that we range from polyester to steel & stainless panels
11:26 AM Wolf__: have you checked with other processes on pricing
11:26 AM fragalot: Wolf__: open to suggestions
11:26 AM fragalot: waterjet is difficult as i'm afraid the bath will contaminate the stainless when submerged to avoid cutting it in half completely
11:27 AM fragalot: laser doesn't work on polyester
11:27 AM fragalot: neither does EDM
11:27 AM Wolf__: farm out the panels to laser maybe?
11:27 AM fragalot: we do that today, 4wk LT, AFTER we supply the panels
11:27 AM Wolf__: waterjet bath is just tap water
11:27 AM fragalot: from the panel manufacturer itself, it takes 5wks
11:28 AM fragalot: our current LT from order to customer delivery is under 2 weeks
11:28 AM fragalot: Wolf__: sure, but that gets contaminated with steel particles as you cut the steel panel
11:28 AM Wolf__: yeah that makes for a problem there
11:29 AM Wolf__: umm, kinda
11:29 AM fragalot: so one solution we have right now is to punch the holes & grind HMI cutouts for short-term delivery (longer ones get outsourced still obviously)
11:29 AM fragalot: so we hired a temp to assist with that
11:29 AM fragalot: he's broken 4 greenlee punches so far
11:29 AM Wolf__: you could get custom punches made
11:29 AM fragalot: we can, but not for 12" panels
11:29 AM fragalot: :D
11:30 AM fragalot: at least, not that our punch drivers can handle
11:30 AM fragalot: (in 2mm stainless)
11:30 AM Wolf__: yeah just going to be punch dies, not a full panel at a time lol
11:30 AM fragalot: :p
11:31 AM Wolf__: multi head cnc punch press sounds like a fun project lol
11:32 AM fragalot: hehe
11:32 AM fragalot: as much as i'd like to, I don't think DIY is going to get approved :D
11:32 AM Wolf__: water jet shouldn’t contaminate the stainless, where did you hear this from?
11:33 AM fragalot: Wolf__: so far the only reasonable option has been the Rittal perforex series
11:33 AM fragalot: Wolf__: I didn't hear it. I assumed.
11:33 AM Wolf__: if its a cabinet being cut you might get some sand blasting effect inside
11:33 AM fragalot: depending on how severe that is, that could be an issue
11:34 AM fragalot: also, some of these panels are 120x120x80mm
11:34 AM Wolf__: check to see if there is a o-max dealer and ask for them to do some sample cuts
11:34 AM fragalot: even submerged that'd get cut in half xD
11:35 AM Wolf__: the “local” (2 hrs away) will do demo cuts on parts and have actual use case answers
11:35 AM fragalot: seems there's a distributor that's only one country away here
11:36 AM fragalot: with waterjet you also need an environmental license here
11:36 AM fragalot: and a way to filter & dispose of the spent garnets
11:36 AM fragalot: not sure what that entails from a practical standpoint
11:36 AM Wolf__: email and ask, dealer should have all the answers down to $$ per min
11:37 AM fragalot: Already put them on the list to contact tomorrow :)
11:38 AM Wolf__: I looked in to doing water jet cutting service at one point lol
11:38 AM fragalot: what made you decide not to?
11:38 AM Wolf__: not a good fit for a home shop lol
11:38 AM fragalot: I like the one that that UK nutcase on youtube has
11:38 AM fragalot: wait nvm that's plasma
11:39 AM Wolf__: $80k for the machine
11:39 AM Wolf__: like 10yrs ago
11:40 AM fragalot: cheaper ones exist now
11:40 AM fragalot: also
11:40 AM fragalot: i'm not sure you qualify as 'home shop'
11:40 AM fragalot: home shops don't go looking for heavy duty cranes.
11:40 AM Wolf__: lol
11:41 AM Wolf__: I call it home shop because I dont have a commercial electrical drop
11:41 AM Wolf__: commercial grade, I only have single phase 220
11:41 AM fragalot: ouch, even I have more than that in my house
11:42 AM fragalot: what's the amp rating?
11:42 AM Wolf__: 150A right now
11:42 AM fragalot: i've got 40A 3x220V, which is the default for houses
11:43 AM Wolf__: yeah, one of the draw backs of USA
11:43 AM fragalot: that you lag behind technologically but don't realize because you choose to ignore it? :D
11:44 AM fragalot: that omax protomax looks cute
11:44 AM MarcelineVQ: that infrastructure is expensive and it's hard to convince people to care
11:44 AM fragalot: MarcelineVQ: hey, you guys chose to live so far apart in the middle of nowhere in harsh conditions
11:44 AM MarcelineVQ: only bridges fail in obvious ways
11:44 AM fragalot: :D
11:44 AM Wolf__: when my house renovation gets to the addition of new garage I’ll be checking with the electric co about 3 phase to my shop
11:47 AM Wolf__: I’ll be doing new meter box at that time so makes sense to check in to that at the same time
11:53 AM roycroft: if there is 3 phase available ...
11:53 AM Wolf__: there is at my house
11:54 AM roycroft: oh, no problem then
11:54 AM roycroft: the nearest 3 phase power to my house is over 1/2 mile away
11:54 AM roycroft: it would be pretty expensive bringing it in
11:54 AM fragalot: friend of mine paid 50k to get his ocnnection made
11:54 AM fragalot: well, replaced
11:54 AM Wolf__: I’m on a main road w/ commercial property and main transmission lines for half the county
11:54 AM roycroft: a vfd is fairly cheap :)
11:55 AM fragalot: scenario: he buys a workshop from someone that retires, existing power connection comes from that guy's house, 63A 3ph 380V
11:55 AM fragalot: retiree wants the connection split for obvious reasons
11:55 AM fragalot: no 380V is present on the side of the shop
11:55 AM fragalot: so.. new line has to be pulled from 2 miles away because they can only do so over public roads
11:55 AM fragalot: :D
11:56 AM Wolf__: yeah, that makes for a problem lol
11:57 AM Wolf__: I can cut a trench from the pole all the way back to the shop, only cost is going to be hook up at each end
11:57 AM jthornton: we had 3 phase within 50' of the shop and the coop wanted $7500 to connect it to the shop
11:57 AM jthornton: basically we had to pay for the transformer and the work and then the bill would be higher
11:59 AM gloops: should be like my mate, had no gas supply, when he was notified they were laying gas mains down the street he had gas central heating fitted and was waiting at the front gate with a pipe ready for them to connect up lol
12:00 PM fragalot: nice
12:00 PM * jthornton noticed that lunch minute is up... back to work
12:00 PM Wolf__: I looked in to natural gas at my place, that was fun, neither company that services the area could figure out which would service my house, after about 5 calls I found out no gas lines on my side of the highway
12:02 PM roycroft: that's where propane is useful
12:02 PM Wolf__: yup
12:02 PM Wolf__: going tankless propane hot water
12:03 PM * fragalot has a tankless high calorific natural gas boiler
12:03 PM fragalot: love it
12:04 PM Wolf__: I have enough room to do a drain back hydronic solar array as well =)
12:04 PM FinboySlick: fragalot: Oh sure, a schaublin, a better water heater than everyone... You're just a showoff!
12:05 PM fragalot: FinboySlick: so I shouldn't mention that i'm using grundfos industrial pumps for the stone well?
12:06 PM FinboySlick: Now you just went and proved my point ;)
12:06 PM fragalot: I'm also saving a ton on heating by having 2 elderly neighbours & shared walls
12:06 PM fragalot: it's like having wall heating
12:07 PM Wolf__: lol I cant say much, I have a new grundfos well pump waiting to be installed
12:08 PM Wolf__: 1hp shallow well stainless
12:10 PM fragalot: they're good pumps
12:14 PM FinboySlick: I found a 180' deep well on my property while building the new house that was dug before we got city water service. I might try using it for a heat point in the future. Ran a couple pipes from it to the new house.
12:15 PM fragalot: i'm just using the well to water the garden & flush the toilets tbf
12:20 PM Wolf__: only well water at my place
12:20 PM Wolf__: and lucky me its clear iron water…
12:21 PM fragalot: tap water here comes from cast iron pipes still
12:21 PM fragalot: nice & brown at times
12:22 PM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/LSg0d2G.jpg
12:22 PM gloops: still no ichs then
12:23 PM Wolf__: that brown filter started white lol
12:23 PM fragalot: yup =D
12:24 PM Wolf__: but if you pour a glass of water right out of the well feed it will be clear, then after a while will form a oxide layer on the bottom of the glass
12:27 PM FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My4RA5I0FKs <-- First time I see something like this, it's pretty darn cool.
12:28 PM fragalot: more interesting if there's more air
12:29 PM FinboySlick: Oh he gets the mixture right eventually.
12:29 PM fragalot: i saw :-)
12:30 PM fragalot: first time i've seen this it was on some crappy tv show
12:30 PM fragalot: where they built a bank security driveway with it
12:30 PM fragalot: alarm goes off - driveway fluidizes and traps the getaway car :Dµ
12:30 PM FinboySlick: Interesting concept.
12:31 PM Wolf__: make for a nice welcome mat at the front door, about 2m deep
12:31 PM FinboySlick: Though I guess it'd get tricky if the sand goes wet.
12:32 PM fragalot: pfft
12:32 PM fragalot: :P
12:32 PM fragalot: stop thinking things through
12:33 PM FinboySlick: fragalot: You have a point there. I'd have a schaublin 53 if I didn't think things through.
12:33 PM fragalot: I didn't think things through and it got me a schaublin 13
12:34 PM fragalot: some mild panic may have ensued once I realized just what i'd done
12:34 PM fragalot: then I measured the path to see if it'd actually fit
12:34 PM fragalot: and i had 2mm to spare
12:34 PM fragalot: turns out that in reality it was only 1mm, which was still enough!
12:35 PM fragalot: also - buying something sight unseen is nerve wrecking :D
12:35 PM fragalot: speaking of, does anyone have any experience with hydraulic vs side lock holders?
12:39 PM Wolf__: none here
12:40 PM fragalot: weird, the halogen light above the cooker literally just shed it's lens
12:41 PM Wolf__: feature
12:41 PM Wolf__: they usually melt the lens holder
12:43 PM fragalot: I don't think these have been on for more than like 2hrs in 4 years
12:46 PM fragalot: also, i'm thinking of getting a new edge finder that can do Z too
12:47 PM fragalot: any thoughts on the haimer style vs 'dumb' electronic?
12:47 PM Wolf__: manual machine, hammer kinda made more sense
12:48 PM fragalot: currently considering one from tschorn
12:48 PM Wolf__: unless you can get a renishaw for dirt cheap lol
12:48 PM fragalot: lol no
12:48 PM fragalot: when I say electronic I mean the ones that light up & beep at you
12:48 PM Wolf__: $200 for my renishaw, but I got lucky
12:54 PM Wolf__: I have a light up edge finder, used it once, threw it in my drawer and haven’t touched it since
12:54 PM fragalot: hehe
12:56 PM Wolf__: running manual I dont find needing Z touch off w/ probe
12:56 PM Wolf__: usually I just use some shim stock and capture it with the end mill to set zero
12:59 PM fragalot: sure, if you're not inside a pocket that works
01:00 PM Wolf__: measure from top edge of pocket
01:08 PM Wolf__: or work cnc style where my origin is top of the parallels, fixed vise jaw and work stop =)
01:10 PM fragalot: that's assuming the part is made from scratch, rather than an existing odd shaped one that needs rework
01:10 PM syyl: back at making tiny chips :D
01:10 PM syyl: http://gtwr.de/div/pro_schaublin102_aug_012.jpg
01:10 PM * Wolf__ thinks he should ship syyl a surface grinder to hand scrape…
01:11 PM Wolf__: looks good, I need to get some raw cast iron and start practicing
01:12 PM fragalot: syyl: that's looking very nice!
01:13 PM Wolf__: my issue is I’m still trying to figure out how to measure the error on this https://i.imgur.com/PKy95AJ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/1r2OqUG.jpg
01:14 PM fragalot: that has seen better days
01:14 PM miss0r: fragalot: 'evenin'
01:14 PM fragalot: ello miss0r
01:14 PM fragalot: got your toy yet?
01:14 PM miss0r: nope :) you?
01:14 PM fragalot: nope :)
01:15 PM miss0r: it seems your package has traveled ~20km
01:15 PM fragalot: lol
01:15 PM miss0r: the one you sent me is in central denmark at the moment :)
01:17 PM miss0r: fragalot: But I DID get my glass scale signal converters! :) https://imgur.com/a/B0L6jkX
01:19 PM miss0r: And I can only say: I can recommend ordering stuff from them(even though they are bulgarian ect) they are quite professional :)
01:19 PM fragalot: :D
01:20 PM fragalot: I can tell that it's professional by the lopsided 10k resistor in the center on the left one
01:20 PM fragalot: well, all of them
01:20 PM miss0r: yeah
01:20 PM miss0r: well, atleast they are all crooked :)
01:21 PM fragalot: I wonder what reason they had to do the layout like that.. angled parts are very expensive to pick&place
01:21 PM miss0r: yeah.
01:21 PM Wolf__: may have turned on the solder during reflow
01:21 PM Wolf__: might be a odd pad shape
01:21 PM miss0r: also; this is a later edition. On the back they have a nand gate and a resistor attached, with some thin wires.
01:21 PM miss0r: All soldered nicely and glued professionally into place, so no complaints there
01:23 PM miss0r: Whatever the reason, it looks like its gonna work. well - it better!
01:23 PM miss0r: Those are 200eur/piece
01:23 PM Wolf__: ouch
01:24 PM fragalot: fair price for something produced in low QTY's
01:25 PM miss0r: I'm doing it for a few reasons; one) I get to reuse my 1um resolution linear scales. two) by reusing them, I can have the old controller i'm replacing with a new one, in standby ready to swap back in should I need it
01:25 PM miss0r: fragalot: I'm hoping to be able to find some short D-sub 15 pin cables. Do you know where I can get that?
01:25 PM miss0r: with perhaps 30cm of cable
01:25 PM miss0r: if I have to make them, it defeats the purpose
01:26 PM miss0r: (the two row one)
01:26 PM jym: miss0r: d-sub 15 are typical of old nix/mac boxes for video
01:27 PM miss0r: jym: the ones with two rows?
01:27 PM jym: miss0r: also for "joystick" in ancient days
01:27 PM jym: miss0r: Yes =)
01:27 PM miss0r: that I remember
01:27 PM miss0r: (the joystick one)
01:27 PM fragalot: :P
01:28 PM Wolf__: http://a.co/d/3NNoyGB amazon US has them…
01:28 PM jym: miss0r: ALSO.... D15 can plug into D25
01:28 PM jym: miss0r: Might get/find a D15 to D25 adapters.
01:28 PM jym: miss0r: Then you can use D25 cables all day long
01:29 PM miss0r: hehe
01:29 PM miss0r: Wolf__: Am I reading that right? 15feet? :) its a little longer than the 30cm I was looking for :D
01:29 PM syyl: thanks fragalot :D
01:29 PM miss0r: And I wonder what the pinout would be - I want a straight through one
01:30 PM jym: miss0r: d25 parallelport cable =)
01:30 PM Wolf__: http://a.co/d/7fWdNmi 76cm
01:30 PM miss0r: jym: Sure. What I was basically hoping was to just have a short DB15 cable go from those converters, and bolt them directly to the back panel, and use them as plugs
01:31 PM jym: miss0r: ... then reality set it ;)
01:31 PM miss0r: jym: What is this 'reality' ? :)
01:34 PM Wolf__: miss0r: that amphenol cable is straight pinned https://www.mouser.com/new/Amphenol/amphenol-d-sub-cables/
01:35 PM jym: miss0r: it's just an illusion =)
01:36 PM miss0r: Meh. Perhaps the best solution is to just get a bunch of DB connectors with a breakout board on'em
01:36 PM miss0r: That would mean alot less soldering and heatshrinking :)
01:39 PM Wolf__: solder… learn2lazy http://a.co/d/5OA2DVy
01:39 PM miss0r: wtf... applications for a 200feet db15 d-sub cable?
01:39 PM miss0r: Wolf__: The applications for those are quite limited
01:40 PM Wolf__: I use the hell out of them, but thats because I’m splicing truck harnesses
01:40 PM miss0r: unless you know for a fact that whatever you are trying to solder together with them is completely clean
01:40 PM miss0r: otherwise they will not last
01:41 PM Wolf__: cruddy wire gets the crimp
01:42 PM miss0r: Indeed
01:42 PM miss0r: if you want to solder them still, I can recommend using some scotchbrite(spell)
01:42 PM Wolf__: too much work lol
01:42 PM miss0r: but use a regular soldering iron & hearshrink :)
01:43 PM robotustra: huh, finally drawed the first layout on what I wanted: https://imgur.com/mzuLNKg
01:43 PM miss0r: Sometimes you don't realy have a choice
01:43 PM robotustra: next step is to attech
01:44 PM robotustra: attach*
01:44 PM Wolf__: I just started using the shrink+solder and a new cordless heatgun on the last two trucks I did, made for a lot simpler day lol
01:45 PM miss0r: I bet. I've just had some mixed results with those.
01:46 PM miss0r: But to be fair, I used them in a very harsh environment
01:46 PM Wolf__: doesnt get much worst then the back end of a work truck
01:47 PM miss0r: wolf__: Sewage waste handling facilities tend to
01:48 PM Wolf__: think salt water road spray + gnd truck frame
01:48 PM miss0r: yeah, I know that is bad :)
01:48 PM miss0r: But some of these stations I'm speaking off takes the cake :)
01:49 PM Wolf__: I’ve had wired that weren’t sealed corroded back over a meter
01:49 PM miss0r: I installed a temperature meter in the 'swamp' on one of these stations. It was all 316 stainless steel. It coroded through in 3months and stopped working
01:49 PM Wolf__: lol nice
01:50 PM miss0r: well.. not realy.
01:50 PM Wolf__: job security
01:50 PM miss0r: I cannot mention names here, but this was a main station right outside a medical company. The underground 'swamp' was closed off for people after that
01:50 PM miss0r: it ate plastic down there too
01:50 PM miss0r: Nowthing realy survived.
01:51 PM Wolf__: thats bad…
01:51 PM miss0r: The only sustainable way of measuring the "water" level, was with a radar system, that did not come into contact with the fumes
01:52 PM miss0r: I wonder how many years of my life has been removed by working on that station :]
01:53 PM gloops: you can often get some good tomato plants from sewage beds though
01:53 PM miss0r: well.. anyway :) I'm just saying - there are places worse than the back of a working truck. But don't get me wrong - I know how terrible salt & electrogalvanic corossion can be there
01:54 PM miss0r: gloops: I think eating anything that gained nutrition from there, would make you glow in the dark
01:54 PM Wolf__: I can say when I wired this up https://i.imgur.com/gzw7p90.jpg the tail light harness was soldered and dual wall shrinked and it still works 6yrs later, the warning lights I used unsealed crimps because I was low on time, they are all not working lol
01:55 PM miss0r: yeah :) That is how it goes :D
01:55 PM Wolf__: and waterproof led strips aren’t
01:55 PM Wolf__: lol
01:56 PM gloops: miss0r its only what we eat anyway
01:57 PM Wolf__: top layer is potted in some goop but the copper on the strip is stuck direct to the adhesive they mount with, so they corrode from the inside out
01:58 PM gloops: just whack around them with the hammer, thats all my MOT tester does - probably gets 50% working
01:58 PM miss0r: Wolf__: I bought some IP68 led strip. It has been sitting in an underground swamp(for sweage) underneath the handrails on the stairs going down there.
01:59 PM miss0r: I believe for 6 years now, and are still working. Altough, that place is mostly for "grey" water.
02:00 PM Wolf__: I had a strip for the tag light on the truck, out of the 30cm strip maybe 4 leds are still working
02:00 PM miss0r: hehe
02:01 PM miss0r: The one I used here was like you descripe, BUT it also had a think transparent silicone hose enclosing it all
02:01 PM miss0r: You just have to add some heatshrink with glue inside to the ends
02:01 PM Wolf__: yeah those will actually work
02:01 PM Wolf__: the self sticking strips not so much
02:02 PM miss0r: These are self sticking too.. (meh) well.. I have two strips of the stuff I mentioned sitting underneath some drawers above my lathe. They have been sitting there for a year now, and does not look like they will fall.
02:03 PM miss0r: The ones I installed in the swamp was zip tied every 30cm :)
02:03 PM Wolf__: for the trucks we are switching to using these type things https://www.ebay.com/itm/50X-Clear-Amber-12V-3-4-LED-Side-Truck-Bus-Clerance-Marker-Bullet-Light-US-Ship/192215838984
02:04 PM miss0r: Those look alright :)
02:15 PM miss0r: bah... You can buy a 20m serial cable for 2cents.. but if you want to buy some cable to make your own, you get bend over and screwed
02:16 PM miss0r: hard
02:16 PM Wolf__: yup
02:16 PM XXCoder: buy long cable, cut one end to size :)
02:16 PM miss0r: XXCoder: yeah, I'm heading there :)
02:16 PM miss0r: well, both ends. I want nice connectors on both end :D
02:18 PM XXCoder: lol ok
02:20 PM Wolf__: those 2.5ft/76cm ones I linked weren’t badly priced (least for here)
02:20 PM miss0r: Indeed
02:20 PM miss0r: But if I do this, I might as well puchase a 200ft one, and get the most canble for the money :)
02:20 PM Wolf__: lol
02:22 PM robotustra: Yeah! I did it!
02:22 PM XXCoder: you ordered 200m cable??
02:22 PM robotustra: adding new layout was successful
02:22 PM miss0r: first of all: it was 200feet, and secondly - I did not :)
02:23 PM XXCoder: miss0r: I was teasing robotustra there :) because timing was funnt
02:23 PM miss0r: ...right :)
02:24 PM robotustra: I don't nead any cable
02:24 PM robotustra: or I need
02:25 PM miss0r: XXCoder: sarcasm does not translate well on irc
02:25 PM XXCoder: indeed it does not miss0r
02:26 PM robotustra: that's why FBI and NSA cannot parse sarcasm via internet
02:27 PM robotustra: they cannot diff between real threats and sarcastic
02:31 PM Wolf__: neither of those have a sense of humor either
02:33 PM robotustra: may be that's why they can't it recognize
02:34 PM Wolf__: most likely
02:57 PM gloops: so its true, chicken soup is good for colds http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5137875/Chicken-soup-helps-fight-colds.html
02:57 PM gloops: my grandma was right
02:58 PM XXCoder: not surpised
02:58 PM XXCoder: not all home remendies is bullshit
02:58 PM XXCoder: many are though
02:59 PM gloops: yeah a lot of these old wives tales are based on fact XXCoder
02:59 PM XXCoder: not that lot. maybe less than 10%
03:05 PM robotustra: any fat hot soup is good for cold :)
03:05 PM robotustra: even hot milk+butter+honey is good too
03:11 PM fragalot: robotustra: prove it.
03:11 PM fragalot: gloops: what I like are those old "family recipes" passed down through generations
03:12 PM fragalot: some guy researched a load of finnish (I think?) ones and traced them all back to the same recipe book :P
03:14 PM XXCoder: ouch! https://interestingengineering.com/discount-store-recalls-prank-knives-turned-out-to-be-real
03:16 PM fragalot: ha.
03:16 PM XXCoder: I hope they catch all, because kid might think blade somehow recesses or somethign :(
03:18 PM Wolf__: oops
03:18 PM robotustra: fragalot, proved many times
03:18 PM XXCoder: fragalot: not surpised. I guess there was lot of twists though
03:18 PM XXCoder: (family recipes)
03:20 PM fragalot: XXCoder: it would be an important lesson for the kid
03:20 PM robotustra: the idea behind it is that fat has more heat capacity than water
03:20 PM robotustra: and does not cool down so fast when you consume it
03:20 PM robotustra: and warm up the troat better
03:21 PM robotustra: vessels are expaning because of heat and more blood comes to the heated area
03:21 PM robotustra: and so on...
03:31 PM fragalot: that's explaining it, not proving it
03:50 PM Wolf__: well looks like I just got myself a D-600 autocollimator to play with
03:54 PM Deejay: gn8
04:24 PM gloops: i think ill go and lie on the bed, close my eyes and not move for 7 hours, just for a change
04:55 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, a what
04:55 PM Wolf__: autocollimator
04:56 PM _unreal_: sighting in angles
04:56 PM _unreal_: those are used in aligning prop shafts on boats all the time
04:56 PM Wolf__: yup, for checking flatness/parallel
04:57 PM _unreal_: just got home
04:58 PM _unreal_: ! I should check the mail see if I got anything in the mail
04:58 PM _unreal_: i have like 10 items i'm waiting on
04:58 PM _unreal_: god I still have not ordered my rails
04:58 PM _unreal_: I cant till I can get a few quick projects done on the main work base for this CNC
04:59 PM _unreal_: I need to get handles mounted
04:59 PM _unreal_: beause once I start getting hardware on the thing its going to get HEAVY
05:00 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, its driving me nuts there were 3 things I wanted to order and I cant for the @#$@# life of me remember
05:01 PM _unreal_: What they are
05:01 PM Wolf__: no idea
05:17 PM _unreal_: sweet my 2watt resistors arrived. I can finally build my sla702X drivers 24/26
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08:05 PM pink_vampire: justanotheruser: multiple personality disorder?
08:05 PM justanotheruser: demonstrating that you can change nicks on irc
08:05 PM justanotheruser: someone with a 3 year old account apparently didn't know that was a thing
08:06 PM pink_vampire: LOL
08:20 PM flyback: grandma just passed away a few mins ago :/ im out probably for the night helping family
08:26 PM Tom_L: sorry to hear that jason
08:43 PM _unreal_: My great aunt did last week
08:43 PM _unreal_: my fathers much older sister
10:46 PM pink_vampire: hi
10:58 PM Wolf__: hey pink
11:09 PM pink_vampire: i got taps
11:09 PM pink_vampire: and also 8-32 screws
11:10 PM pink_vampire: how was your day?
11:10 PM Wolf__: unproductive lol
11:11 PM pink_vampire: hope it is for a good reason :)
11:30 PM Wolf__ is now known as Wolf_
11:31 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NC2saE5MbQ
11:50 PM pink_vampire: why it is so quiet here?
11:51 PM Wolf_: no idea
11:51 PM pink_vampire: i need to think how to cant the parts
11:51 PM Wolf_: i’m looking up parts for my cnc plasma build
11:51 PM pink_vampire: :(
11:51 PM pink_vampire: CNC plasma!
11:51 PM pink_vampire: cool!!
11:51 PM Wolf_: huh, can’t parts?
11:52 PM pink_vampire: I have only the HF spindle
11:52 PM Wolf_: oh right lol
11:52 PM Wolf_: this is why you need 2-3 mills
11:52 PM Wolf_: =D
11:53 PM pink_vampire: the endmill max length is 24mm
11:53 PM pink_vampire: and I need to drill 25.4mm
11:53 PM pink_vampire: fun..
11:54 PM Wolf_: drilling all that for no reason
11:54 PM pink_vampire: i need to tap the holes/
11:54 PM pink_vampire: I hate blind holes
11:54 PM Wolf_: no need to make them that deep
11:55 PM pink_vampire: the screw is 3/4"
11:55 PM Wolf_: then your screw it too long
11:55 PM flyback: pink my grandma died 3 hrs ago so I am a bit more quiet
11:56 PM pink_vampire: OMG! sorry to hear that.
11:56 PM Wolf_: look at the nuts for the screw, thats really as deep as the thread engagement needs to be
11:56 PM pink_vampire: but it is stainless screw in aluminum
11:57 PM flyback: isn't that a auto matic fail?
11:57 PM flyback: metal reactions?
11:57 PM Wolf_: then maybe double the screw dia for depth then
11:58 PM Wolf_: I dont think stainless galvanically reacts with aluminum