#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 03 2018

12:10 AM fragalot: hi
12:33 AM miss0r|office: hello
12:33 AM fragalot: mornin'
12:33 AM miss0r|office: fragalot: Waiting for the electrical company man to come exhange my power meter
12:33 AM fragalot: ha you'll be there all day
12:33 AM fragalot: :D
12:33 AM miss0r|office: hehe yeah
12:34 AM miss0r|office: well.. from 07:00-11:00
12:34 AM fragalot: but if you leave and let your wife handle it, they'll do what they did @ my dads
12:34 AM miss0r|office: So I am shutting down my server at the moment
12:34 AM miss0r|office: What did they do? :)
12:34 AM fragalot: and run a new cable for the new meter through your freshly tiled floor breaking 3 tiles, and running the cable NEXT to the cable gutter you so kindly provided and labeled for them
12:35 AM fragalot: using those hammer-in ziptie holders
12:35 AM fragalot: rammed into oversized holes
12:35 AM miss0r|office: lol
12:35 AM miss0r|office: luckily I *only* need the meter replaced.
12:35 AM fragalot: :)
12:35 AM fragalot: anyway I need to get going
12:35 AM fragalot: ttyl
12:36 AM miss0r|office: yeah, seeya
12:36 AM miss0r|office: og
12:36 AM miss0r|office: wait
12:36 AM miss0r|office: fak :)
01:57 AM Deejay: moin
01:59 AM Loetmichel: *hmpf* 6 years worth of CAD data on the CNC computer... not sorting system... now i am searching for a file i made a while ago... cant remember its name OR when precisely though... and boss wants front lid for a PC ASAP (that is in that file i am searching)... :-(
02:00 AM Deejay: you are getting old! ;)
02:01 AM Loetmichel: Deejay: dont think so... could get a bit mor organized though ;)
02:01 AM miss0r|office: hehe.. my CAD directory on my nas is not funny either. I *should* get something done too
02:02 AM Loetmichel: just counted: 14541 .cdr files on that system... and no name or other hint at where that darn file is.
02:04 AM miss0r|office: damn
02:07 AM Loetmichel: *ahhh* a hooray to coworkers... he hinted me that the last time i built it is just a month ago and what the customer name was... found it... on page three of the according cad file ;)
02:07 AM XXCoder: lol
02:08 AM Loetmichel: you only see the first page in the preview in corel draw... thats why i flipped thru the file a few times ;)
02:54 AM pink_vampire: https://www.sinterit.com/product/sinterit-lisa/
02:55 AM XXCoder: looks like SLA?
02:55 AM XXCoder: or SLS
02:55 AM pink_vampire: SLS
02:56 AM XXCoder: pretty expensive
02:56 AM XXCoder: oh its larger than I thought
03:23 AM norias: good morning
03:24 AM XXCoder: hey
03:24 AM norias: how goes?
03:25 AM XXCoder: not much just playing
03:25 AM norias: playing?
03:25 AM norias: baseball?
03:25 AM XXCoder: yeah prymid reloaded challenge, a special minecraft mod pack
03:26 AM * norias nods.
03:26 AM norias: that all sounds very cool
03:28 AM XXCoder: its fun
03:29 AM XXCoder: I start off on tiny island in vodi by larger island, rules is I cant build on larger one, and meet challenges to get more items to meet more
03:33 AM norias: oh, that's fun
03:33 AM norias: pink_vampire: i like your nick
03:43 AM pink_vampire: thanks
03:43 AM norias: you're welcome
03:44 AM pink_vampire: i'm trying to do live stream
03:45 AM XXCoder: on cnc machining?
03:45 AM pink_vampire: of something..
03:45 AM XXCoder: ahh ok
03:46 AM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVpdWG29rZ4
03:47 AM norias: there is no try
03:48 AM pink_vampire: ?
03:49 AM pink_vampire: any comments?
03:49 AM XXCoder: it seems purely audio so cant make any comments :)
03:49 AM pink_vampire: i'm trying to move it to the cnc
03:49 AM norias: there is video
03:49 AM MarcelineVQ: it's notr audio, it's a closeup of a pant leg
03:49 AM norias: but not much to see
03:49 AM XXCoder: MarcelineVQ: I know
03:50 AM XXCoder: norias: yep what I meant :P
03:50 AM norias: oh, there's stuff now
03:50 AM norias: what a mess
03:50 AM XXCoder: meh seen worse shops pictured in here
03:50 AM norias: lol
03:51 AM norias: 5S!
03:51 AM norias: something, something, something, Satan
03:53 AM norias: oh man
03:53 AM norias: gears
03:53 AM MarcelineVQ: neat stuff
03:54 AM norias: i crushed the gears in a pretty big horizontal mill a week ago
03:54 AM norias: horizontal boring mill
03:54 AM norias: the floor type
03:58 AM pink_vampire: ?
03:59 AM norias: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lBmiEh7--w
03:59 AM norias: something like that
04:02 AM XXCoder: looked odd, no wonder its giant
04:23 AM norias: bleh
04:23 AM pink_vampire: ?
04:23 AM norias: i feel bleh
04:23 AM norias: sorry
04:23 AM norias: also, reworking my resume
04:23 AM norias: necessary evil
04:23 AM XXCoder: fun
04:26 AM norias: i've heard claims that a job search is roughly
04:26 AM norias: salary / 10 = months
04:27 AM pink_vampire: I need an idea
04:28 AM XXCoder: what kind of idea?
04:28 AM pink_vampire: how to mount the servo
04:29 AM norias: carefully
04:29 AM norias: don't they have a standard bolt pattern?
04:31 AM pink_vampire: it's a bit complicated
04:32 AM pink_vampire: i need to float the servo about 28 mm above the head of the machine
04:34 AM norias: "float"?
04:34 AM pink_vampire: yes
04:34 AM norias: make a 28mm spacer
04:34 AM pink_vampire: i need to tight the belt
04:35 AM norias: i feel like i haven't a clue what's going on here
04:43 AM pink_vampire: I'm trying to make paper model
04:43 AM XXCoder: nice idea
04:43 AM pink_vampire: how to you test stuff before making them?
04:43 AM XXCoder: visualize what setup looks like
04:43 AM XXCoder: I make parts I dont design unfortunately
04:44 AM XXCoder: youre far more advanced on engineering part than I am
04:44 AM Wolf__: cad it all and hope you measured everything correct
04:44 AM pink_vampire: the problem here is to take good measurements
04:45 AM pink_vampire: and sometime i need to start build something just to see how stuff go..
04:52 AM miss0r: g'day
04:53 AM norias: pink_vampire: aye, it's called the prototyping process
04:54 AM XXCoder: yo
04:54 AM XXCoder: pink_vampire: can always use something cheap like wood to test fit design
04:54 AM pink_vampire: I know
04:55 AM miss0r: or go straight for steel; maniacs like me do that all the time :D
04:56 AM XXCoder: lol
04:58 AM miss0r: bah"
04:59 AM miss0r: Ebay seller sent me a angle block set. This was lost in shipment. I waited for almost a month for it, and he agreed to send me a new one with express shipment last friday. It was to be delievered today before noon, but apparently TNT made a mistake, and the tracking information now only says 'Delayed in transit, we will contact you soon'. Well, perhaps I'm not ment to own such a set, it would seem
05:00 AM norias: TNT?
05:01 AM miss0r: its a shipment company
05:01 AM XXCoder: ow
05:01 AM norias: ah
05:02 AM pink_vampire: norias: it's like dhl and ups..
05:02 AM norias: right on
05:02 AM miss0r: This is pretty frustrating :)
05:22 AM Loetmichel: uups... that could have gone bad... the CAM (CamBam) i use for the CNC router wanted to plunge sideways into the holes with 0,7mm travel... a bit impossible if you have 2.5mm holes and a 2mm mill bit... all M3 predrills missing in the Gcode... luckily i noticed before i lifted the aluminium sheet from the vacuum table... new CAM with 0,1mm plunge sideways and its now running "empty" over the
05:22 AM Loetmichel: same part exept the predrills... ;)
05:24 AM XXCoder: plunge, sideways? wouldnt that snap drill
05:24 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: mill bit
05:25 AM Loetmichel: it mills a spiral down
05:25 AM Loetmichel: but it wants to start the plunge sideways
05:27 AM XXCoder: interesting
05:29 AM jthornton: morning
05:30 AM Loetmichel: a bit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wS_URQsyTU
05:30 AM Loetmichel: just smaller
05:31 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:50 AM Tecan: http://www.netpipe.ca/zen/albums/stuff3/Screenshot-at-2018-09-03-04-45-46.png chain boom this sucker to a tree for hunting game
05:51 AM XXCoder: huh
05:54 AM Tecan: maybe its too high and does not require 2 support
05:55 AM Tecan: might be too much shock on the bearing though ?
05:58 AM Tecan: whats easiest way to make a quick metal wormgear
05:58 AM Tecan: plasma cutter and threadrod ?
05:58 AM XXCoder: buying one. ;)
05:59 AM Loetmichel: Tecan: easiest way is to use an aluminium disk and a thread cutter(tap) on the outer rim
06:00 AM Loetmichel: and let it run a while with constant sideways pressure
06:00 AM Loetmichel: and then take a piece if fitting threaded rod as the worm
06:00 AM SpeedEvil: Or just cut a grooved disk, and epoxy in some threaded rod
06:00 AM Loetmichel: s/if/of
06:00 AM Tecan: would it stand up to riffle shock loads ?
06:01 AM Loetmichel: depends on which tap you use
06:01 AM Loetmichel: and which threaded rod ;)
06:01 AM Tecan: homehardware stuff
06:01 AM Loetmichel: no, i meant which size
06:02 AM Tecan: probably 3/4 inch
06:04 AM Loetmichel: use a pretty low tpi thread then
06:04 AM Tecan: with 6" gear
06:04 AM Loetmichel: so that enough "flesh" is in between the teeth to hold
06:10 AM fragalot: getting the teeth to align will be a b*tch though if you're just going to wrap threaded rod around a pulley
06:11 AM Tecan: maybe a larger one of these would work if i was careful with how the load is distributed https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2792144
06:11 AM Tecan: print in carbon fiber or something
06:11 AM miss0r|office: fragalot: Just got the mail.. Its not alt of money, but it is still 50% of the total price of the tapping head :D
06:11 AM fragalot: :P
06:11 AM Tecan: maybe use 4 gears
06:16 AM Tecan: print with carbon fiber nylon
06:28 AM fragalot: miss0r|office: yet in total it's still under 10% of the original cost of one :-)
06:29 AM miss0r|office: fragalot: Yeah, I got you covered, bro :P
06:29 AM fragalot: :D
06:31 AM Tecan: got a suggestion to use winshield wiper motors
06:47 AM Loetmichel: *ptui* *pffrrrt* *cleaning aluminium swarf from face and neck* Note to self: having the head over the CNC router when the mill bit "punchs thru" on the outer contour is a bad idea... rest material fell off the mill because it was hanging over the back end of the table and threw a handful of swarf riiigth in my face :-(
06:49 AM fragalot: Have you learned your lesson? :P
06:51 AM Loetmichel: nope
06:51 AM Loetmichel: never
06:52 AM miss0r|office: ha
07:16 AM fragalot: miss0r|office: this is where we find out if tapmatic is still going to sell to me now that i've told them I don't have a VAT number :)
07:18 AM jthornton: fragalot: which tapmatic are you wanting?
07:18 AM fragalot: jthornton: I got the 50x but no nut or collets
07:18 AM jthornton: ah
07:18 AM gloops: one here £60 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tapmatic-Tapping-Attachment/132733637351?
07:22 AM jthornton: fragalot: you need parts for your 50x?
07:22 AM fragalot: jthornton: I might - depends on what tapmatic tells me in the next few minutes :-)
07:23 AM jthornton: ok
07:28 AM fragalot: I've found a lot of companies out there, at least the ones I contact, are very accomodating until you mention you have no VAT number when they try to set up an account
07:28 AM fragalot: then communication often abruptly ends all together, or they kindly say "sorry please bugger off"
07:31 AM jthornton: lol
07:37 AM * Loetmichel just made another one of these front lids... MAAAN does that 1.5mm thick sheet aluminium get rigid once all the screws are in... :-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16940&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
07:41 AM Stephanisk: Hi everyone
07:42 AM Stephanisk: I was wondering if anyone is present with good knowledge of camworks and the postprocessor for it for a 4 axis machine. I have a few questions on the simulator that I don't seem to be able to solve
07:44 AM Stephanisk: Actually anyone that knows how to create posts would be great to meet.
07:44 AM Stephanisk: I set it as my most important goal, the knowledge to create postprocessors
07:58 AM miss0r: fragalot: As you haven't written anything in here since.. Did you abruptly discontinue comms ? :D
07:58 AM miss0r: you=they
07:58 AM fragalot: just got a reply, they need to look into it
07:59 AM miss0r: hehe.. We both know what that means. They are stalling for time while drinking coffee, before sending you the prewritten speach about not dealing directly with costumers
08:02 AM fragalot: :)
08:02 AM fragalot: miss0r: I think it will more be a case of "whoops we forgot to use list price rather than quote price"
08:02 AM miss0r: :]
08:03 AM miss0r: fragalot: No updates on your crate to me.. apparently it is still sitting in belgium
08:03 AM * fragalot => cake & then talk to Style's rep about a new mill
08:03 AM fragalot: miss0r: really?
08:03 AM miss0r: I am waiting for something like 5 seprate packages at the moment. Nothing is comming... :D
08:03 AM miss0r: yeah
08:03 AM fragalot: I don't have the # with me atm so I can't really check
08:04 AM miss0r: fragalot: https://gls-group.eu/EU/en/parcel-tracking?match=67849791657
08:04 AM miss0r: ^
08:04 AM fragalot: I'll give them a call later
08:04 AM miss0r: and ask them wtf is up ! :)
08:04 AM fragalot: I saw the parcelshop put the box in the "To Send" pile
08:04 AM miss0r: also: the impossible happened.
08:04 AM fragalot: ?
08:05 AM miss0r: My 30+ year old hi-spot blue has started to set
08:05 AM * jthornton gives up trying to install pluma plugins and just installs gedit and removes the offical mate editor lol
08:05 AM miss0r: "never dries" my ass :D
08:05 AM fragalot: ha
08:05 AM * fragalot afk
08:07 AM miss0r: Loetmichel: How busy are you at the moment? If at all possible, I would like to order a cabinet from you in a near future
08:09 AM Loetmichel: depends on how complex the cabinet is ;)
08:11 AM miss0r: Not too bad, I think ;) Its for the new cnc controller I'm building
08:11 AM miss0r: I'll compose some drawings when I have a clue :D
08:12 AM Loetmichel: make a drafgt how you think it should be and i see if i can manufacture that...
08:12 AM Loetmichel: depending on where you live you are aware that shipping can be expensive from germanyß
08:12 AM Loetmichel: ?
08:12 AM Loetmichel: draft
08:13 AM miss0r: sure. I live in Denmark, so I think shipping will be within acceptable
08:14 AM miss0r: Still waiting for the pieces to the puzzle. I can draw a draft now, but I have little clue about the overall dimensions
08:14 AM gloops: Stephanisk there is an #CAM
08:15 AM gloops: looks pretty dead now though
09:11 AM _unreal_: @#$@#$ bleep... ok so the little box I wanted to use as my mount enclosure for the touch screen/RPI clone is a hair and I do me a HAIR to small... :(
09:11 AM _unreal_: sigh.. more $
09:11 AM Loetmichel: _unreal_: make one yourself?
09:12 AM _unreal_: lack of time
09:13 AM _unreal_: #$%!#@$% I want to kill the dog. keeps crying becuase of the rain
09:13 AM _unreal_: I'm not about to go sit out in the living room so he will shut up
09:13 AM _unreal_: GOD I hate that dog
09:16 AM _unreal_: What I'm looking for is an enclosure for my RPI clone and 7" LCD
09:18 AM _unreal_: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjOjIyjg5_dAhVM0KwKHUQjBiYQjhx6BAgBEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FCase-Raspberry-Pi-3-5-Touchscreen%2Fdp%2FB07B5YG4LC&psig=AOvVaw2WP9aJADjKBP3SLB2C4lik&ust=1536070647498978
09:18 AM _unreal_: a case like that but for 7" would be ideal
09:40 AM Tom_L: _unreal_ he probably feels the same about you, that's why he keeps annoying you
09:42 AM Tom_L: https://www.hammfg.com/electronics/small-case/development-board/1593ham-rasp
09:51 AM Tom_L: t-storms every day this week :(
09:52 AM _unreal_: he's not at MY door whining its other family members he's begging for
09:52 AM _unreal_: Tom_L, same here
09:53 AM _unreal_: though south florida thats normal 6 months of the year
09:53 AM _unreal_: the other 6 months ZERO rain clear skys every day
09:53 AM gregcnc: 4-5 inches of rain here since friday
09:53 AM gregcnc: https://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lot&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=no
10:15 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/pcb-drilling-machine/113225415150?
10:58 AM gloops: pfff just drilled 2 impossible holes to mount my vertical surface under the router, got it in position - wont work in that position
10:59 AM Tom_L: they tried to warn ya
11:01 AM bigIdea: Hi guys I am new here, I just started on the linuxcnc climb, and i am currently cannot get my stepper motors to move at all. I have tried everything that I know, which I can list if you want.
11:01 AM Tom_L: step timing, enable ....
11:02 AM gloops: nobodys steppers ever move first time heh
11:02 AM SpeedEvil: Do they make noise or get hot, or catch on fire?
11:02 AM SpeedEvil: or all three?
11:02 AM bigIdea: I am using a automation technologies cnc stepper kit with a c-10 breakout board, when I give it power the steppers just lock up.
11:03 AM gloops: so they power up
11:03 AM gloops: all you need now is a signal to make them move
11:03 AM bigIdea: yep, but just lock into the position there were in
11:04 AM gloops: thats normal
11:05 AM gloops: so, you are jogging or running g-code in linuxcnc - and nothing happens bigIdea?
11:05 AM bigIdea: I tested the cable to see if I had the correct paralle cable, made sure I have the correct parallel address, and correct permissions.
11:06 AM Loetmichel: hihi, just had to move wifes mercedes GLC hybrid into the garage (plumber parked in front of it when she came home)... maaan is that an eiree feeling to "start" a car and put it in "D", press the accelerator and you hear no sound apart from a slight hum... and the 2.3 metric ton car starts to move ;)
11:06 AM bigIdea: I am try in stepconfig
11:06 AM gloops: well its a process of elimination, probably best to start with the obvious stuff first
11:07 AM gloops: you have set the right pins in stepconfig?
11:08 AM gloops: this breakout board - it needs 5v supply right? you got that sorted - all lit up, leds on etc
11:09 AM bigIdea: yep, it light up with the enabled light and power, the stepper drivers are getting power, and I have the axis pins set in stepconfig to match what they are on the board
11:10 AM bigIdea: automation technologies gave me a nice wiring diagram to work with to make sure I had it wired correctly
11:10 AM gloops: hmm
11:12 AM gloops: first thing - dont worry, its going to work perfectly
11:12 AM gloops: i think you need to ascertain whats happening with the signal, how far along the route to the drivers its getting
11:12 AM bigIdea: ha
11:13 AM bigIdea: well, how do I do that?
11:13 AM gloops: multimeter to hand?
11:13 AM bigIdea: yep I got one of them
11:14 AM gloops: so if you take the x axis, you could test the step/dir pins on the breakout board, when you jog the x axis, you should be seeing some variation
11:15 AM gloops: 0-5v
11:17 AM gloops: (an expert will probably come to your assistance soon lol)
11:18 AM bigIdea: yep, I am getting it coming from the step/dir pin on the x axis, the multimeter shows almost a wave from zero to 4.7v
11:18 AM bigIdea: this is from the breakout board
11:18 AM bigIdea: so it is getting that far
11:18 AM gloops: oh..
11:19 AM gloops: thats good then
11:19 AM gloops: so just th line to the drivers - and the correct pins wired on BOB and driver
11:21 AM bigIdea: well the x-axis driver is showing the same wave/voltage difference on the driver pins,
11:21 AM gloops: driver lit up?
11:22 AM gloops: this is beginning to look like step settings maybe
11:22 AM gloops: or scale
11:22 AM bigIdea: these drivers do have a ena+ and a ena- pins that the diagram did not show any wire coming to it. The drivers have a power led that is lit up
11:23 AM pfred1: setup timings?
11:23 AM pfred1: I think LinuxCNC defaults to a pretty big timing though?
11:23 AM gloops: yeah you can often get away with not connecting the enb
11:23 AM pfred1: well enable can be high or low
11:24 AM pfred1: usually unconnected it just enabled
11:24 AM gloops: do the drivers have dipswitches - you got those set right?
11:24 AM bigIdea: yeah that is what i just read in the manual
11:24 AM pfred1: what drive do you have?
11:25 AM pfred1: what step sequence are you using?
11:26 AM bigIdea: i set them to 2 miscrosteps then set the same in stepconfig, they are kl-5056 drivers from automationtechnologies
11:26 AM pfred1: half stepping?
11:26 AM gloops: (stepconfig asked for step settings or microsteps or something - the dipswitches on the driver need to correspond with what you put in stepconfig)
11:26 AM pfred1: that's a good sequence
11:26 AM gloops: ok
11:27 AM * gloops tries to remember what happens in stepconfig
11:27 AM pfred1: yeah it's been a while
11:28 AM bigIdea: Currently they are set at 1.4amp the stepper are on my desk at the moment so there would be no load on them
11:28 AM pfred1: I kind of remember having to run a script to get RTAI up and running initially
11:29 AM bigIdea: what is rtai ?
11:29 AM gloops: well if the signal is getting to the drivers linuxcnc must be working
11:29 AM pfred1: that's the real time extensions LinuxCNC uses
11:29 AM pfred1: think of it as drivers
11:29 AM gloops: this can happen with scale settings, if the scale is so small it doesnt register any movement
11:29 AM pfred1: it is what makes the step and direction signals
11:30 AM gloops: youre using 5mm pitch ballscrews bigidea?
11:30 AM Tom_L: bigIdea is the parallel cable a true parallel cable?
11:30 AM pfred1: I htink he's bench testing the motors right now
11:30 AM pfred1: just wants them to spin
11:30 AM jthornton: if something requires enabling IIRC stepconf test this axis does not do any enabling
11:31 AM bigIdea: yep it is a true parallel cable I am just using the stock leadscrews setting at the moment that are in stepconfig
11:31 AM gloops: the motors sound find theyre powering up
11:31 AM gloops: fine
11:32 AM jthornton: he could use the parallel port tester to send out one pulse at a time http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester
11:32 AM bigIdea: yep, they lock up, and I have to cut power after a while because they stat to get toasty, I just cant get them to move
11:32 AM jthornton: hot steppers is normal
11:32 AM pfred1: to a point
11:32 AM fragalot: warm steppers are normal
11:32 AM bigIdea: I already tried it, the parallel port works fine with that
11:32 AM fragalot: hot steppers aren't
11:33 AM fragalot: once you start smelling resin, it's too warm :-)
11:33 AM pfred1: yeah if they'r really hot that means current on the drives is too high but they should still run
11:33 AM gloops: he is getting signal from breakout board to drivers
11:33 AM gloops: or so it appears
11:33 AM pfred1: how can you tell?
11:34 AM jthornton: those drives look similar to mine and mine need an enable
11:34 AM gloops: he tested it - 0-5v fluctations
11:34 AM bigIdea: isnt when the steppers lockup when they is using the most power? therefore the most heat?
11:34 AM gloops: got to eliminate the enable wiring then
11:34 AM Tom_L: yes
11:35 AM pfred1: bigIdea yes but you still have to have the current set right
11:35 AM pfred1: not an issue now
11:35 AM bigIdea: 1.4A
11:35 AM Tom_L: the drivers usually have a current limit on them
11:35 AM pfred1: you check that with a meter?
11:35 AM gloops: bigidea there should be a dipswitch to cut current to half when motors are idling - if youre concerned with the temps
11:36 AM gloops: so long as you can keep your hand on them they will be ok
11:36 AM jthornton: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2014/09/ALLDriver.pdf
11:36 AM jthornton: that clearly shows a jumper from 5v to Enbl
11:36 AM gloops: look at what jthornton is saying
11:36 AM gloops: and ! DO NOT change the dipswitches with the drivers powered up
11:37 AM bigIdea: roger that
11:37 AM pfred1: jthornton that's not a link to a real pdf file
11:37 AM Stephanisk: Hello
11:37 AM Stephanisk: I was wondering if anyone is present with good knowledge of camworks and the postprocessor for it for a 4 axis machine. I have a few questions on the simulator that I don't seem to be able to solve [14:43] <Stephanisk> Actually anyone that knows how to create posts would be great to meet. [14:43] <Stephanisk> I set it as my most important goal, the knowledge to create postprocessors
11:37 AM pfred1: file ALLDriver.pdf ALLDriver.pdf: HTML document, ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators
11:37 AM jthornton: it's from their webpage
11:38 AM bigIdea: If you are talking about the jumper next to incoming power to the bob then I have on in there
11:38 AM pfred1: weird my browser could download it but wget couldn't
11:39 AM pfred1: looks like they're saying enable needs a positive input
11:40 AM pfred1: that's pretty crappy
11:41 AM Tom_L: why are the driver enables not wired?
11:41 AM pfred1: nah I'm looking at the BOB
11:41 AM pfred1: drives need no enable
11:41 AM Tom_L: me too
11:41 AM bigIdea: i have one on the bob
11:41 AM pfred1: he using their BOB?
11:42 AM gloops: jthornton says his drives are similar and they need ena connecting
11:42 AM Tom_L: said he was
11:42 AM pfred1: drives in this diagram have no enable wired up
11:42 AM bigIdea: yep a c-10 bob with kl-5056 drivers
11:42 AM Tom_L: i personally would try wiring Enb+ to +5v thru a 10k resistor
11:43 AM Tom_L: on the driver itself
11:43 AM pfred1: what is Pul+ & -?
11:43 AM pfred1: ah step
11:43 AM gloops: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/kl-stepper-drivers/kl5056/
11:43 AM bigIdea: the other wiring diagrams didnt show and wires to enb+ or enb- on the drivers, and the manual for these drivers says that disconnected is normaly enabled
11:43 AM Stephanisk: Hi guys. You are all very proficient in the rewiring and retrofitting using linuxcnc but how are you dealing with the postprocessors for more than 3 axis?
11:44 AM pfred1: bigIdea that's how it is supposed to be drives should just drive
11:44 AM gloops: they look like pretty typical DM type drivers
11:45 AM pfred1: that's interesting Pul+ goes to ground
11:46 AM pfred1: you'd think it'd be -
11:46 AM gloops: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2014/09/ALLDriver.pdf
11:46 AM bigIdea: and dir+ goes to ground
11:46 AM pfred1: is that right? or is it a typo?
11:46 AM Tom_L: that just sounds wrong to me
11:46 AM pfred1: doesn't it?
11:46 AM gloops: yeah that doesnt sound +
11:46 AM pfred1: the wire is even red on the diagram
11:47 AM gloops: power them off before changing
11:47 AM fragalot: miss0r: at some point This Old Tony is going to have to run out of jokes, because this is getting ridiculous :D
11:47 AM pfred1: yes never ever change wires on your drives with any power on them
11:47 AM gloops: dont mess with powered up drivers - ive lost a few like that
11:47 AM pfred1: though usually that just applies to coil wires
11:48 AM pfred1: still make sure the system is dead with no charge before moving wires on your drives
11:48 AM bigIdea: you think I should switch ground and direction wires and try that?
11:49 AM pfred1: that's a tough call
11:49 AM pfred1: you can see if there's any current on the control line
11:49 AM Tom_L: if you did i would put a resistor on it first
11:49 AM gloops: Stephanisk there arent many using 4 axis in here i dont think
11:49 AM pfred1: those wires go to LEDs in top optocouplers
11:49 AM Tom_L: that will lessen any damage that could occur
11:49 AM pfred1: in the optocouplers even
11:49 AM bigIdea: chance I fry my driver?
11:49 AM pfred1: a reversed biased LED just shouldn't work
11:50 AM pfred1: up to it's break down voltage
11:50 AM bigIdea: i only have power and a alarm led
11:50 AM bigIdea: on the drivers
11:50 AM pfred1: you can't see these LEDs
11:50 AM pfred1: they're encapsulated
11:50 AM Stephanisk_: Hi gloopa
11:50 AM Stephanisk_: Gloops
11:50 AM pfred1: look up what an optocoupler is
11:50 AM gloops: hi
11:51 AM pfred1: that's what's on your step and dir lines
11:51 AM pfred1: the + and - are just the input side of the opto
11:51 AM Stephanisk_: Really so little people using rotary axis
11:51 AM pfred1: polarity matters too
11:51 AM gloops: there are some, cant think who right now
11:51 AM Tom_L: the few i know that do, manually program them
11:51 AM pfred1: you can just diode check them
11:52 AM fragalot: Stephanisk_: so little people dealing with postprocessors :-)
11:52 AM Tom_L: archivist, andy for a couple
11:52 AM Stephanisk_: It's been something for 2 years now bothering me that I cant simple create a machine and get working gcode out of the cam
11:52 AM pfred1: do you have a multimeter with a diode check function?
11:52 AM Tom_L: what cam is it?
11:52 AM Stephanisk_: And the info is also sooooo limited.
11:52 AM pfred1: there's no way they can release a product with the polarity printed wrong on it
11:53 AM Tom_L: pfred1 this is china we're talking about
11:53 AM gloops: its probably marked right, the diagram looks wrong
11:53 AM gloops: whoever put + to ground
11:53 AM pfred1: Tom_L come on + &- means the same hting the world over
11:53 AM Stephanisk_: I have learned solidcam, Mastercam,.... Right now I have set my thoughts on camworks as solidworks choose them to integrate them directly
11:54 AM gloops: is this indexing or simultaneous 4 axis?
11:54 AM Stephanisk_: And they seem to have a universal post generator and a separate virtual machine progrsm
11:54 AM pfred1: gloops that is what I was thinking
11:54 AM Stephanisk_: Lol .. gloops I need both
11:54 AM pfred1: com going to the anode of an LED ain't gonna do squat
11:55 AM Tom_itx: Stephanisk_, have you tried here: https://camworks.com/resellers-area/post-processor-forum/
11:55 AM bigIdea: so since it is optocoupler isolated like it says in the manual, switching the wires (with it powered off), if it is wrong polarity is should still protect the drivers especially with the low voltages the parallel port is using
11:55 AM Stephanisk_: The fact is I have several things working on. I have an unusual machine. Gantry with rotary on spindle and rotary on table both in y durection
11:55 AM pfred1: bigIdea if what we're thinking is right it is the wrong polarity now
11:56 AM pfred1: so reversing it should only make htings better
11:56 AM bigIdea: ok I'll try it, hold on
11:56 AM Tom_L: just try one
11:56 AM pfred1: it shouldn't hurt to reverse bias an LED at 5V
11:56 AM Stephanisk_: Well to be honest at the prices they are asking I firstly want to know if there enormously expensive program is really that good and there forum is only accessible after product purchaesr
11:56 AM pfred1: it just won't light
11:56 AM pfred1: plus they have input current limiting resistors on the board
11:57 AM Tom_L: Stephanisk_ go with mastercam. it's the industry choice around here right now
11:57 AM Tom_L: and i know it's 4 axis cam works, they use it at the Vo-tech here
11:57 AM miss0r: 'evening
11:57 AM Stephanisk_: It's so sad that a machine and controller can be best in the world without a postprocessor the whole thing is useless
11:57 AM fragalot: evenin' miss0r
11:58 AM pfred1: CAM is a sticking point in CNC
11:58 AM fragalot: miss0r: I believe the reason your GLS package hasn't left yet is because I put it there on friday evening, and GLS doesn't work on weekends :P
11:58 AM miss0r: fragalot: ofc. they dont.. lazy bastards
11:58 AM Stephanisk_: Mastercam can do it all, absolute true, I started in it but again postprocessors was issue to create so I went to camworks
11:58 AM pfred1: how dare they take a day off!
11:58 AM bigIdea: YESSSSSS ! it works thanks that was it
11:58 AM Tom_L: i use smartcam but my ver doesn't support rotary, just index
11:58 AM pfred1: bigIdea yeah that diagram is crap
11:58 AM Stephanisk_: I found a 5 axis post on linuxcnc forum for camworks
11:58 AM fragalot: miss0r: so it's been handed over to GLS today
11:59 AM Stephanisk_: Mailed the creator but haven't heard anything
11:59 AM miss0r: Stephanisk_: mastercam post processors are quite easy, imo. I wrote one myself with no prior experience with it
11:59 AM bigIdea: not just that diagram but everyone they had on that driver
11:59 AM Stephanisk_: Tested it and immediately ran into issues with g41 and g42 although I believe can be resolved
11:59 AM Stephanisk_: Hi miss0r. Seriously you wrote one?
11:59 AM miss0r: fragalot: Those lazy bastards.. Aren't they aware I am looking forward to receiving that package?!
12:00 PM gloops: np bigIdea
12:00 PM Stephanisk_: But for 3 axis or 4-5 axis?
12:00 PM gloops: lol!
12:00 PM pfred1: bigIdea you learned a bit about your drives though
12:00 PM miss0r: Stephanisk_: for a three axis, though.
12:00 PM miss0r: but I don't see why it would be much harder for a 4 or 5 axis. That part is handled by the cam, not the post processor
12:00 PM Stephanisk_: The 3 axis doesn't scare me its the rest and the virtual machine building
12:00 PM pfred1: if it weren't for screw ups I wouldn't know much myself
12:01 PM Tom_L: i wrote my smartcam post for linuxcnc but it's pretty old
12:01 PM miss0r: pfred1: So you just jump in head first, like me? :)
12:01 PM fragalot: miss0r: I was right abt the list price thing btw for tapmatic, nut + collets came down to €200
12:01 PM Stephanisk_: Yes but somehow you need to explain the cam what your machine looks like
12:01 PM pfred1: miss0r for sure
12:01 PM _unreal_: Got to love hacking :) https://www.cnczone.com/forums/controller-cards/366112-ucncv4-usb-cnc-controller-board-opto-isolation.html#post2212828
12:02 PM miss0r: Stephanisk_: Sure. but in mastercam that is not done with the post processor. That is done with the machine definition. And that part has a nice GUI for setup
12:02 PM pfred1: USB is garbage
12:02 PM Stephanisk: Just got c
12:02 PM miss0r: fragalot: Damn. I think you are better off machining one yourself, and just buying the collets second hand on on ebay
12:02 PM Stephanisk: Kicked of
12:02 PM miss0r: Stephanisk_: Sure. but in mastercam that is not done with the post processor. That is done with the machine definition. And that part has a nice GUI for setup
12:03 PM bigIdea: I certainly learned a lot about my electronics. Thanks guys for the help.
12:03 PM pfred1: bigIdea I made all my electronics on my first machine
12:03 PM Stephanisk: Have been messing with that for a while already
12:03 PM _unreal_: So at this point it looks like I'll be building my own enclosure for my asus tinker board
12:03 PM fragalot: miss0r: according to Syyl the nut needs an eccentric ring, and without an example or reference drawing available.. I'm not sure if that's something I want to do 4 times before I get it right :D
12:03 PM pfred1: bigIdea like the drives the BOB all of it
12:03 PM miss0r: fragalot: About this old tony.. he will never run out :)
12:03 PM _unreal_: going to make a BASIC mold and build it from fiberglass
12:04 PM Stephanisk: Would just be so great if there was one YouTube video explaining the whole thing for a 5 axis from start to finish
12:04 PM pfred1: bigIdea so I know more about that than I want to
12:04 PM _unreal_: I'm going to copy this design idea only for the much larger 7" display I have https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1698/7241/products/3.5-kit-assembled_530x@2x.jpg?v=1522866574
12:05 PM Stephanisk: Does anyone know of someone who would have in Mastercam the knowledge of 5 axis machines. Cause I actually need it cause I am building several robots
12:06 PM miss0r: fragalot: the nut on this model 1A does not have an excentric nut
12:06 PM pfred1: you need deep pockets for 5 axis CAM
12:06 PM fragalot: miss0r: might be because it's too small?
12:06 PM Stephanisk: Robots for milling
12:06 PM miss0r: fragalot: Sure, but why wouldn't that work with larger one as well? perhaps not ideal, but it would work I think
12:07 PM Stephanisk: Yes pfred1 I know, so I need to be sure the ***thing works before investing
12:07 PM miss0r: Stephanisk: That sounds pretty complicated to program :)
12:07 PM pfred1: Stephanisk for what they charge I'm sure it works
12:07 PM Stephanisk: Welcome to my nightmare for the past year. And now I finally started it
12:08 PM Tom_itx: Stephanisk, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGpXta3N1Yw
12:08 PM Tom_itx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO-KkegGiqQ
12:08 PM Stephanisk: Except for works I need to be able to change it myself constantly, I don't want a postprocessors written by someone and than be stuck when I change thing's
12:08 PM fragalot: miss0r: ever tried to get an ER collet out without the excentric? :P
12:08 PM miss0r: fragalot: The only thing to mention about this collet nut, it that theres a free spinning washer inside the top, so the collet is not forced to rotate when you tighten it
12:08 PM fragalot: yea.. I'mma just buy one
12:08 PM fragalot: :P
12:08 PM Tom_itx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa86Pvxt4FM
12:08 PM fragalot: because i'd want to use a needle thrust bearing for that
12:09 PM fragalot: and pay probably the same amt in shipping in total anyway
12:09 PM miss0r: fragalot: so, how much will you be saving buying the complete package original? (compared to just getting a new one)
12:09 PM fragalot: new is still €1000 for the 50x I believe
12:09 PM fragalot: so.. still below 30%? :P
12:09 PM miss0r: alright. So still cheap.
12:09 PM Stephanisk: Thanks Tom, I just saved the vids I will look in about an hour, it's dinner time here
12:09 PM fragalot: miss0r: I forgot to ask.. what taper does it use?
12:09 PM Tom_L: looks like there are more too
12:10 PM miss0r: I was looking around for the parts missing from these the other day. I didn't find'em anywhere (at the client). I don't think I will ever find them, to be honnest. Chances are slim at best
12:10 PM miss0r: the 'machine' end of it?
12:10 PM fragalot: miss0r: yes
12:10 PM miss0r: its a one peice with an R8 in the end
12:10 PM miss0r: (joking :D HAHAHAHA)
12:10 PM gregcnc: tapmatic?
12:10 PM miss0r: MK3 I believe
12:11 PM miss0r: gregcnc: yeah
12:11 PM fragalot: I think I might actually have an ISO30->R8 adapter in with the schaublin bits
12:11 PM fragalot: :P
12:11 PM fragalot: but I doubt I have the Z height to use it anyway, lol
12:11 PM miss0r: I am not 100% sure, as I cant measure it now that I have already shipped it, but I seem to recall it was the same size as on the 1A, and that is a MK3
12:12 PM fragalot: i've got an MK3 adapter too, so yay
12:12 PM miss0r: fragalot: have you heard from that danish linear measuring company yet?
12:12 PM gregcnc: usually there is a taper in the head and you can just change it
12:12 PM fragalot: no, I ordered the machine-dro one after they fixed their site
12:12 PM fragalot: y'know, the vintage looking one
12:13 PM miss0r: Indeed. What did you find for the actual linear scales?
12:13 PM fragalot: 5µ magnetics
12:13 PM fragalot: one standard size for Y, and 2 compacts for X and Z
12:14 PM fragalot: they didn't have 1µ in compact size
12:14 PM fragalot: and in hindsight that's probably a good thing because it would drive me mad
12:14 PM miss0r: it absolutly would :D
12:14 PM fragalot: :D
12:14 PM miss0r: WTF IS ALL THIS JITTER ?!
12:15 PM fragalot: pfft, that schaublin is so stable it wouldn't do that
12:15 PM fragalot: unless if you touched it
12:15 PM fragalot: or ran another machine nearby
12:15 PM fragalot: :D
12:15 PM miss0r: or someone farted in shanghai
12:15 PM Stephanisk: Does anyone know the user on the forum robh: Robert Harpham
12:16 PM miss0r: Looking forward to seeing how beefy you are going to make the mounts
12:16 PM fragalot: miss0r: solid billet :D
12:16 PM miss0r: hehe
12:16 PM miss0r: I've seen way too many issues caused by flimsy reading head mounts
12:17 PM fragalot: so no gorillapod mount?
12:17 PM miss0r: Especially on glass scales, where the rubber lib causes a minute amount of drag...
12:18 PM miss0r: Whatever floats yer' boat :D
12:18 PM fragalot: alright. locline it is
12:18 PM fragalot: speaking of which, I need to get smoe
12:18 PM miss0r: But keep this in mind: if you do, I *will* look for find you, I *will* find you and I will laugh my ass off in your face :D
12:19 PM fragalot: miss0r: that's just more incentive to do it
12:19 PM Stephanisk: It seems like no one active today knows robh :) I would really love to have a chat with him
12:20 PM miss0r: fragalot: I will laugh 'bender' style :)
12:20 PM miss0r: Stephanisk: Stick around for a few days. People come'n go all the time
12:20 PM fragalot: miss0r: bender or flexo?
12:20 PM miss0r: fragalot: If those two had a freak of a baby.. that laugh
12:22 PM miss0r: I need to go tuck the little one in. Perhaps i shall be back later with more corny cartoon refrences & nonessential comments.
12:22 PM miss0r: cya
12:22 PM Stephanisk: Cya
12:22 PM Stephanisk: Thanks for all info so far
12:24 PM _unreal_: lot of jitter in the work piece?
12:24 PM fragalot: _unreal_: no in the read-out
12:24 PM fragalot: where it can't decide if it's 0.001 or 0.002mm
12:24 PM fragalot: so it would keep flipping between the 2
12:31 PM _unreal_: ? never had an issue like that before
12:32 PM _unreal_: huh
12:32 PM fragalot: do you have a manual machine with a 1µm digital read-out on it?
12:33 PM _unreal_: no
12:35 PM fragalot: then that is why you have never had that issue
12:44 PM pfred1: I use freedom units!
12:47 PM flyback: Super-Synchronous" motor.
12:47 PM flyback: BMCC
12:47 PM flyback: BITE MY "CANUCK"...........................CANUCK!
12:47 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNuI6keQXYA
12:51 PM gloops: https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/7163271/volkswagen-suspends-deliveries-up-to-next-year-as-half-of-all-its-cars-fail-to-meet-new-emissions-standards-including-the-golf/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1535980806
12:52 PM fragalot: VW won't be the only one
12:52 PM fragalot: the new standards are incredibly strict
12:53 PM gloops: not looking so good for VW
01:10 PM _unreal_: interesting. that post that I just published on cnczone seems to be a hot topic heheh. and no one ever posted about it before.
01:45 PM Stephanisk: Hello
01:45 PM Stephanisk: I saw rob_h came online earlier, any chance he is still around
01:47 PM fragalot: he's not said anything as far as I'm aware
01:48 PM Stephanisk: How could I ping him or something?
01:48 PM fragalot: mentioning his name should raise a little flag on his end, or you could message him using "/msg rob_h ....."
01:49 PM Stephanisk: Thx, let me do that from a pc instead of my phone
01:53 PM ziper: can you file carbon fiber?
01:53 PM fragalot: sure
01:53 PM fragalot: try to avoid breathing it
01:55 PM ziper: it doesn't load up the file like other plastics?
01:55 PM fragalot: it does a bit, but nothing a file card or some chalk doesn't fix
01:56 PM Stephanisk_: thx fragalot, i send a message to rob_h
01:56 PM Stephanisk_: hopefully he sees it :)
01:56 PM fragalot: Stephanisk_: Good luck :-)
01:59 PM _unreal_: ziper, I can answer any FRP question you have
01:59 PM _unreal_: ziper, you live?
02:00 PM ziper: _unreal_, how do I calculate the required laminate skin thickness for a given core and load?
02:00 PM ziper: united states
02:00 PM _unreal_: ok
02:00 PM _unreal_: I need a lot more detail because that in terms of force is very braud
02:01 PM _unreal_: how big is the lamination area? what is the load requirement
02:01 PM _unreal_: What FRP materials are you using?
02:01 PM _unreal_: What resin type are you using, HOW think is your core. what kind of core
02:01 PM _unreal_: :)
02:02 PM _unreal_: and I noticed you mentioned carbon fiber... FYI carbon fiber is the worst to get on you... fiberglass powder is like baby power compaired to carbon fiber dust..... gloves, dust mask, long sleeves, vacuum, or FAN blowing away (AKA SUCKING)
02:03 PM _unreal_: ziper, fill in those questions and I can get you a good answer.....
02:03 PM _unreal_: there are equasions but its really dependent on a lot of factors.
02:03 PM _unreal_: and thats not even including vacuum bagging or infusion
02:03 PM _unreal_: ziper, ?
02:03 PM ziper: typing
02:03 PM _unreal_: you should see me type fst
02:04 PM _unreal_: fast
02:04 PM _unreal_: :)
02:05 PM ziper: the part being sat on -- imagine it is a solid panel. There is some bracing, lets ignore it. its only has to hold the weight of a person plus shock loading http://www.internationalmoth.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Alex-Adams.jpg
02:05 PM pfred1: _unreal_ rockwool is the worst thing to get on you
02:06 PM ziper: weight is critical, but the part is rather small, so carbon can be afforded
02:07 PM ziper: epoxy resin, of course. PVC foam core. ~100psi shear strength
02:07 PM _unreal_: is this for a moth?
02:07 PM ziper: yes
02:07 PM _unreal_: I'm IN the marine industry
02:07 PM _unreal_: ok so first FYI.... dont bother building any thing for a moth wetlay unless you can VAC bag it
02:08 PM ziper: of course
02:08 PM _unreal_: can you
02:08 PM ziper: I can bag
02:08 PM _unreal_: ok good
02:08 PM _unreal_: What is your pot life for the resin?
02:08 PM _unreal_: working time
02:08 PM ziper: half an hour for the slow stuff
02:09 PM _unreal_: ok...
02:09 PM _unreal_: so you want to rebuild the wing in the moth?
02:10 PM ziper: yes, with a roughly teardrop shaped cross section, with the extra bulk at the front helping with flotation and aero drag
02:10 PM _unreal_: ok... do you have material on hand?
02:11 PM ziper: no
02:11 PM _unreal_: So building this is interesting
02:11 PM _unreal_: judging from the photo its prob 4-6 lays of 18oz carbon xm
02:12 PM _unreal_: xm and CM style, thats 45x45 and 0x90 material weaves...
02:12 PM ziper: but on a tube, I don't want to deal with that
02:12 PM _unreal_: I would finish it with a 4oz boat cloth
02:13 PM _unreal_: ?
02:13 PM ziper: that one is trampoline over tube frame
02:13 PM _unreal_: do you have a photo of YOURS
02:13 PM ziper: and only weighs like 5-10 lbs
02:13 PM ziper: I will render, wait
02:14 PM _unreal_: ziper, https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3vL4RqyNgQAaVhLSW5Rb0czaWc
02:14 PM _unreal_: Thats my sailboat that I built
02:14 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3vL4RqyNgQAUGZYcjM1WWpJVWc
02:15 PM _unreal_: My new tiller arm as well https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3vL4RqyNgQALUZFY2JWRWxIVTA
02:17 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Uzi0hiQrKW8rp7LaqEXsu6OqZB5p2vA5
02:17 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gvtxP-oxbrIwgmNck2wD4gFX_yu8jxCH
02:17 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JxW8GfmquMzLWRaPmKtec4u_FePWmAO3
02:17 PM _unreal_: :)
02:18 PM _unreal_: ?
02:19 PM * _unreal_ is getting a cocktail
02:25 PM ziper: _unreal_, http://puu.sh/Bp9nD/65511093d0.jpg
02:26 PM _unreal_: figures before I got to get to the cocktail my daughter said "I'm hungry" sigh....
02:26 PM _unreal_: So you want to make the entire seat/wing in FRP?
02:27 PM ziper: yes
02:27 PM _unreal_: That would be heavy
02:27 PM _unreal_: even over PVC.....
02:28 PM _unreal_: just doing the estimations in my head. That would be 20+ lbs in resin
02:29 PM ziper: the core only weighs 5lbs
02:29 PM _unreal_: and I would NOT use PVC board
02:30 PM _unreal_: are you sure its not FOAM board.
02:30 PM _unreal_: What thickness?
02:30 PM ziper: it is, PVC foam. divinycell
02:30 PM ziper: 3/4 inch
02:30 PM ziper: might not be enough
02:30 PM gloops: that looks like a canoe with wings
02:31 PM ziper: I might just make a 1 inch strip, load test it, and then multiply that by the ~40 inch width it would be finished
02:46 PM _unreal_: ziper, ya most moth's dont use a SOLID seat/wing...
02:48 PM _unreal_: infact I've never seen one like that. ether they use a FRAMED wing seat OR a trampoline style. I prefer the trampoline..... there is NO way to build a SOLID wing that is not a trampoline with out it being very heavy.... DONT even bother trying its not possible
02:48 PM _unreal_: most moths are produced from pre-preg lam anywyas
02:48 PM _unreal_: so trying to do a WETLAY is a joke
02:49 PM _unreal_: wetlay bag. infusion... doesnt matter...
03:02 PM _unreal_: LOL now I understand
03:02 PM _unreal_: zipper PVC FAOM and divinycell are 2 totally different things
03:02 PM _unreal_: PVC foam board and divinycell foam board are totally different products
03:03 PM _unreal_: PVC faom board is STUPID heavy
03:03 PM _unreal_: you had me confused by saying pvc foam
03:05 PM _unreal_: ziper, google "pvc foam board and divinycell pvc foam"
03:07 PM _unreal_: both accurate but totally different materials..... divinycell will work but again. bridging glass over that you would have to meet a minimum psi which over a LARGE flat surface takes a lot of glass... hitting the water hard would be a magnitude greater force. shear and rotational etc... I'm not trying to be a DREAM killer but rather a voice of reason.
03:08 PM _unreal_: ziper, just a side note.... moths dont have much foam in them except in the main body. because fiberglass and foam CAN DELAM when under stress.. most of there construction is pure FRP under high vac pressures.
03:10 PM pink_vampire: https://youtu.be/lTUmjiJELko
03:11 PM pink_vampire: no springs???
03:11 PM pink_vampire: he is using the quill for that
03:12 PM fragalot: if you have a quill stop his solution is fine
03:12 PM fragalot: (and if you can live with the reduced travel)
03:12 PM syyl: i wouldnt mind the lost travel so much
03:13 PM syyl: but the constant overhanging quill :D
03:13 PM syyl: oh, its just 6mm engagement
03:13 PM fragalot: I doubt it matters on his size machine :P
03:13 PM pink_vampire: plunge in to something... opps
03:14 PM syyl: http://gtwr.de/div/1x1_vierkant_004.jpg
03:14 PM syyl: microscope makes everything look kinda buttugly ;)
03:14 PM fragalot: lol
03:14 PM pink_vampire: lol
03:14 PM fragalot: what did you make the square hole with?
03:15 PM fragalot: your diy wobble broach?
03:15 PM syyl: square peg in a square hole ;)
03:15 PM syyl: no, just a static broach
03:15 PM fragalot: obviously that is the better option given the through-hole >.>
03:15 PM syyl: my watchmakerfriend wants to broach 1x1 square holes into some gears - and i did that as a testpiece
03:16 PM syyl: the tool doesnt look much better
03:16 PM syyl: http://gtwr.de/div/1x1_vierkant_005.jpg
03:16 PM syyl: ...
03:16 PM syyl: i hate microscopes ;)
03:16 PM fragalot: it helps if you use a cheap chinese one
03:16 PM fragalot: can't see the scratch marks in those
03:16 PM syyl: haha
03:17 PM syyl: :D
03:17 PM pink_vampire: what is the part size?
03:17 PM syyl: thats a piece of 4mm round - 2,5mm height
03:18 PM Stephanisk: anyone has seen rob_h active?
03:18 PM Tom_L: no
03:19 PM Tom_L: i don't think he's here that often
03:19 PM Stephanisk: nevermind he wrote me a message but i missed it :)
03:20 PM ziper: _unreal_, https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37055939_10155467890922751_8532372933492867072_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=44328d6fbacb21a706fcbbcc4aa3b9a4&oe=5BF75C84
03:20 PM pink_vampire: syyl: what machine is that?
03:20 PM syyl: which one?
03:21 PM pink_vampire: ziper: interesting wheelbarrows
03:21 PM pink_vampire: syyl: the machine you make the part with
03:21 PM syyl: oh, on the lathe
03:21 PM syyl: predrill 1mm and push the broach trough
03:22 PM syyl: or do you mean the grinder i make the broach with?
03:22 PM fragalot: looks like you made it with a beaver rather than a grinder
03:22 PM fragalot: :D
03:22 PM syyl: haha
03:22 PM fragalot: are you enjoying the new tool in the shop then?
03:22 PM syyl: i dont have a fine cbn wheel :D
03:22 PM pink_vampire: i taught you micro mill it with a cnc
03:23 PM * syyl runs to ebay, ordering a c40 cbn wheel
03:23 PM syyl: yes, fragalot
03:23 PM syyl: gives me a bunch of additional options
03:24 PM fragalot: I bet
03:24 PM fragalot: I was already surprised what I could accomplish when I got that single lip grinder
03:24 PM syyl: :)
03:24 PM syyl: to be fair, that broach could be ground on the dbit grinder without a problem :D
03:25 PM fragalot: :P
03:25 PM syyl: http://gtwr.de/div/1x1_vierkant_002.jpg
03:25 PM fragalot: did robrenz ever complete his rebuild of his single lip grinder "kit" ?
03:25 PM pink_vampire: i need better shop :(
03:26 PM syyl: i think its done?
03:26 PM syyl: at least he uses it
03:26 PM fragalot: i couldn't remember if the video showed the end result or just his progress on it.. been a while
03:26 PM fragalot: but good god that man breathes precision :P
03:26 PM pfred1: pink_vampire you and me both
03:27 PM syyl: haha yes, fragalot
03:27 PM syyl: i think i will do the large-travel mod on my d-bit grinder too
03:27 PM pink_vampire: pfred1: hellooo
03:27 PM Rab: syyl, regardless of the test piece's finish, the broached hole looks good.
03:27 PM Rab: What material is that?
03:27 PM syyl: thanks ;)
03:27 PM syyl: sandvik ap20
03:27 PM syyl: some freecutting watchmakers steel (?)
03:27 PM pfred1: that's one tiny broach
03:27 PM syyl: got a piece supplied for testing
03:28 PM Rab: So your friend will be using the same material?
03:28 PM syyl: yes
03:28 PM syyl: http://www.matweb.com/search/datasheettext.aspx?matguid=5761647eabcd48b280678d7c43359864
03:52 PM _unreal_: ziper, nice craft but what is the weight
03:57 PM Deejay: gn8
03:57 PM pink_vampire: ?
04:09 PM _unreal_: ziper, if you want to build it like that... the FLAT bed areas I would suggest some kind of a core like soric 4mm. and do a layup schedual of boat cloth, 2-3 12oz carbon, 12oz xm eglass, SORIC 4MM, 12oz xm eglass, 2-3 12oz carbon, and a boat cloth.
04:11 PM _unreal_: ziper, ?
04:58 PM gloops: slow chat day
04:59 PM pink_vampire: i'm not next to the computer
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/reverse-liquid-sieve-lets-only-large-particles-pass/3009410.article
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/8/eaat3276
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: Labor Day in the USA
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: celebration of all labor
05:00 PM gloops: thats like a coal washer
05:00 PM _unreal_: I feel so bad for my daughter. ALLLL weekend she's been stuck inside do to the @#$#!@$ rain
05:01 PM CaptHindsight: we had a tornado a few miles north pass by
05:01 PM _unreal_: nifty
05:02 PM gloops: buy her an umbrella unreal
05:02 PM _unreal_: ya south florida we get them all the time..
05:02 PM _unreal_: she has one but doesnt do any good when there is lighting as well
05:02 PM _unreal_: poor thing has been vegging on her tablet
05:02 PM gloops: oh plenty to do inside as well
05:03 PM gloops: we brits spend most of our holidays playing dominos or other pointless games, reading books and so on
05:03 PM _unreal_: so I've got my basic design ready for moutning hardware in my mains box
05:03 PM _unreal_: we americans we spend.... well maybe we wont get into that
05:03 PM _unreal_: :)
05:04 PM gloops: this year the weather has been decidedly un-British
05:04 PM _unreal_: ?
05:04 PM _unreal_: dreary or sunny
05:04 PM gloops: almost unbroken sun/heat since april
05:04 PM _unreal_: wow
05:05 PM gloops: its the best summer ive ever known
05:05 PM _unreal_: as far as I knew brit.. is much like where I grew up, New England (maine/usa)
05:05 PM Wolf__: the mid Atlantic region of the US east coast has been stealing all of the brits rain
05:05 PM _unreal_: the old saying for maine is 3-5 days rain good old maine
05:07 PM _unreal_: gloops, Maine is the ASS end of the US weather pattern. maine gets the weather coming up the coast. and the weather coming across canada. and they wave back and forth dumping rain on maine all the time
05:07 PM gloops: seems the jet stream got stuck below us for once
05:07 PM _unreal_: I've seen multi years where there was 2 months in the spring of rain. no letup
05:07 PM _unreal_: heh
05:07 PM gloops: can get depressing unreal
05:07 PM _unreal_: hence I left and now live in sunny south florida
05:08 PM _unreal_: err semi sunny?
05:08 PM gloops: everything turns to mud
05:08 PM Wolf__: maryland and pa have been having flooding every other week
05:08 PM _unreal_: ! tell me about it
05:08 PM _unreal_: mod
05:08 PM _unreal_: mud
05:08 PM gloops: we've got drought here
05:09 PM _unreal_: as long as I can keep getting my cheap french wine I'm good :)
05:09 PM _unreal_: Bugger. I need to find a FAN and a grill for the fan for the size hole I cut in the cnc control box I started bilding like 7 years ago
05:10 PM _unreal_: OMG has it been so long
05:10 PM _unreal_: no... longer
05:10 PM _unreal_: omg I got that box in 04
05:10 PM Wolf__: lol
05:11 PM CaptHindsight: looks like our last 80F + day is tomorrow (>25C)
05:12 PM CaptHindsight: looking forward to fall weather
05:12 PM _unreal_: fall BLAAAAAAAA
05:12 PM _unreal_: I left maine mainly because I was so tired of winter
05:13 PM gloops: i like the seasons, i mean i like a nice sunny day yeah, but i like a bit of frost as well, and some colour in autumn
05:14 PM gloops: on average i think the UK has the best weather in the world
05:14 PM _unreal_: really I just dont like winter
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: my favorite queens as well
05:14 PM _unreal_: infact I hate winter and i hate being cold
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: I prefer <70F
05:15 PM _unreal_: maine would average 5 months at or below -4
05:15 PM gloops: there have been one or two of those CaptHindsight
05:16 PM _unreal_: just months apon months of bitter cold
05:16 PM _unreal_: upon
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: i don't mind >70F is the humidity is <40 %
05:16 PM pfred1: fortunately hardly anyone lives in Maine
05:17 PM _unreal_: ya because we all keep moving
05:17 PM pfred1: I remember the biggest city in Maine had a population of 57,000 the last time I was there
05:17 PM gloops: thats pretty small
05:17 PM pfred1: I was driving through there and this gu ythat looked like he escaped from ZZ Top was walking down the sidewalk
05:18 PM _unreal_: pfred1, portland or agusta
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: it's for those who want to be close to the border
05:18 PM pfred1: agusta
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: in case you really have to leave
05:18 PM gloops: probably a 7 days wonder pfred1, theyve all got those beards
05:18 PM _unreal_: augusta
05:19 PM pfred1: I used to camp out up in Maine a few times
05:19 PM gloops: thats another thing with america, you can be so far from the coast
05:19 PM _unreal_: I dont mind winter and SNOW but I want it on my terms
05:19 PM pfred1: up at the Allagash Wilderness Waterway
05:19 PM gloops: i bet a lot of americans have never seen the sea, and never will
05:19 PM pfred1: the lakes up there it is like you're at the beach
05:19 PM _unreal_: maine in the middle of the summer is to die for
05:20 PM _unreal_: but come winter. and everything closes, everything is dead and gray
05:20 PM pfred1: you can get breakers on the shore and everything
05:20 PM pfred1: Chamberlain lake is 23 miles long and the prevailing wind comes right down it
05:20 PM _unreal_: pfred1, yep
05:20 PM _unreal_: pfred1, I love "allagash white" damn good beer
05:21 PM _unreal_: cant get it down in FL
05:21 PM pfred1: there's a lot of fresh water up in Maine
05:21 PM pfred1: more than I ever seen anywhere else
05:21 PM _unreal_: you can only swim in them for 2 months then its BUR
05:21 PM _unreal_: even then its BUR
05:22 PM pfred1: one year i was up there the water was warm made it lousy for fishing
05:22 PM _unreal_: pfred1, do you still visit
05:23 PM pfred1: nah I'm a bit too old now for adventure
05:23 PM _unreal_: ?
05:23 PM _unreal_: baaaa
05:23 PM _unreal_: you should check out MDI
05:23 PM pfred1: MDI?
05:23 PM _unreal_: https://acadiamagic.com/MountDesert.html
05:24 PM pfred1: I never did the coast of Maine
05:24 PM pfred1: that's too touristy
05:24 PM pfred1: looks pretty though
05:24 PM _unreal_: dude
05:24 PM _unreal_: omg
05:25 PM _unreal_: the mountains on MDI are to die for. carriage path trails, hicking all kinds of stuff
05:25 PM pfred1: oh they got mountains where i used to go that one where light first hits you can see
05:25 PM pfred1: Kathaddan?
05:26 PM pfred1: it has a 5,000 foot knife edge
05:26 PM _unreal_: CADILLAC MOUNTAIN
05:26 PM _unreal_: MDI is in the TOP 20 in the usa for places to visit for the 4th of july
05:26 PM _unreal_: look it up
05:27 PM _unreal_: I'd take my sailboat out in frenchmens bay all the time
05:27 PM pfred1: here it is https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/14/21/d9/millinocket.jpg
05:27 PM pfred1: see that pond in the distance?
05:27 PM pfred1: I capsized in there once
05:27 PM pfred1: that's Round Pond
05:28 PM _unreal_: oh ya round pond I have fam with a camp on that pond
05:28 PM pfred1: it's a mile in diameter
05:28 PM pfred1: a pond in upstate Maine
05:28 PM _unreal_: Those people are on knifes edge
05:29 PM pfred1: I think the knife is further up
05:29 PM pfred1: but it's like a 5,000 foot drop off on either side
05:29 PM _unreal_: palm to face...... general statement
05:29 PM _unreal_: I know the mnt.
05:30 PM _unreal_: katahdin
05:30 PM pfred1: yeah you can see that from the lakes I used to go to
05:31 PM _unreal_: did white water rafting near there
05:31 PM pfred1: the last time I was there was a half a lifetime ago
05:31 PM pfred1: yeah that river to the south is like class 3
05:31 PM _unreal_: whipper snapper
05:32 PM pfred1: I forget the name of it now
05:32 PM pfred1: they actually call it a river even
05:32 PM _unreal_: your going to end up wanting to go back now
05:32 PM pfred1: so you know it is miles wide
05:32 PM _unreal_: :)
05:32 PM XXCoder: good morning
05:32 PM _unreal_: morning........................?
05:32 PM _unreal_: 6:30pm here
05:33 PM pfred1: what are they supposed to say good?
05:33 PM _unreal_: ?
05:33 PM pfred1: it is always beer o'clock somewhere and morning too
05:33 PM skunkworks: I hate oil lines...
05:33 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180903_154721.jpg
05:33 PM _unreal_: rum and coke here
05:34 PM * skunkworks loves rum and coke.. But my favorite is brandy old fasion..
05:34 PM skunkworks: sweet
05:34 PM pfred1: skunkworks I use a dry lube it attracts less dust
05:34 PM _unreal_: pfred1, graphite?
05:34 PM pfred1: I had a lock here getting rough so I sprayed it up man i should have done that years ago
05:35 PM pfred1: stuff i use is PTFE I think it's white
05:35 PM pfred1: some PB Blaster stuff i get at home depot
05:35 PM pfred1: yeah I just looked at the can it's just called Dry Lube
05:36 PM pfred1: stuff is great though
05:36 PM pfred1: I got it for my CNC machine but i use it on lots of stuff
05:36 PM pfred1: drawers
05:37 PM _unreal_: do you use a dust collection system on your cnc?
05:37 PM _unreal_: my opinion its a waste of time NOT to
05:37 PM pfred1: no but that doesn't mean I shouldn't
05:38 PM _unreal_: I built a cyclone collector from a 5gal bucket for my mini dust collector. I also have filters for my vacuum.... when I get the new system setup it will have its own vacuum setup
05:39 PM pfred1: supposedly there's this collector that works better than a cyclone
05:39 PM gloops: i dont really get the current fascination with gin
05:39 PM gloops: especially flavoured gin
05:39 PM pfred1: I love gin and 7up
05:39 PM _unreal_: gloops, I've a bit of a gin and tonic guy
05:39 PM pfred1: a Tom Collins
05:40 PM gloops: a) gin is disgusting b) parma violet gin is diabolical
05:40 PM _unreal_: time for an other refill
05:40 PM _unreal_: parma violet?
05:40 PM _unreal_: never heard of that
05:40 PM _unreal_: gloops, you must be a vodka and beer guy
05:40 PM gloops: horrible flavouring they put in sweets
05:40 PM pfred1: I like whiskey and ale
05:41 PM gloops: well yes vodka is ok
05:41 PM gloops: and beer
05:41 PM _unreal_: some day I need to go to uk
05:41 PM gloops: beer if its near, brandy if its handy
05:41 PM pfred1: but I'm not above some rum and vodka occasionally
05:41 PM XXCoder: _unreal_: its 3 pm here lol
05:41 PM pfred1: I can't drink brandy
05:42 PM _unreal_: My xwifes name is brandy
05:42 PM pfred1: I had a bad experience with it once when I was young
05:42 PM _unreal_: btw her parents NAMED her after the stuff
05:42 PM pink_vampire: http://www.piclist.com/techref/io/stepper/nemasizes.htm Stepper Motor NEMA Sizes
05:42 PM gloops: you have to slay those old demons pfred1
05:42 PM pfred1: not that bad an experience
05:42 PM _unreal_: now :/ I'm full time single da da
05:42 PM pfred1: that brandy just about slayed me
05:43 PM pfred1: we were playing dimes and everyone ganged up on me
05:43 PM pfred1: I had 20 shots in 18 minutes
05:43 PM _unreal_: :)
05:43 PM gloops: steady on
05:43 PM pfred1: in hindsight I should have just gotten out of the game
05:43 PM _unreal_: when ever I'd do games like that I'd LOAD on the water litterally drink a gal of water
05:43 PM pfred1: but I thought i could make a comeback
05:44 PM _unreal_: people would be like HOW THE F is this guy still standing
05:44 PM _unreal_: :)
05:44 PM pfred1: I stood for a while but not for too long
05:44 PM _unreal_: they never caught on that I was loading on water before a drinking night
05:44 PM _unreal_: THEN I would load on the water after
05:45 PM pfred1: yeah a hangover is just dehydration
05:45 PM pfred1: alcohol is a dessicant
05:45 PM _unreal_: wake up pissing every few hours but at least I would have a minimal headache
05:45 PM pfred1: so your brain literally shrinks that's what's so painful
05:46 PM _unreal_: ya.... and they would always be like how is this guy doing that
05:46 PM _unreal_: I was like 118 lbs when I was 21
05:46 PM _unreal_: now i'm 160
05:46 PM pfred1: I put on weight in the past few years
05:46 PM _unreal_: at 5' 9"
05:47 PM _unreal_: 20 years later I should hope I put on weight
05:59 PM gloops: im about 190lbs
05:59 PM gloops: have been forever
06:01 PM pink_vampire: someone can help me with the spindle design?
06:02 PM pink_vampire: do you think 1/8" aluminum will be good?
06:04 PM gloops: spindle design for what?
06:04 PM pink_vampire: for my mill
06:04 PM gloops: im just trying to work out what im seeing here - https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/842377372599186
06:04 PM gloops: whats the 1/8th ally for?
06:05 PM Wolf__: application details needed for engineering
06:06 PM gloops: so the facebook item is not a lathe, its a mill, the lathe chuck was used as a vice...
06:07 PM gloops: 150
06:07 PM Tom_L: the riser almost looks like a fixture on the table
06:07 PM XXCoder: defionitely not lathe
06:08 PM Wolf__: not a lathe, not a mill either
06:08 PM XXCoder: we use lathe chuck as fixture sometimes at work, its great on keeping part centered when its round
06:08 PM Tom_L: maybe a shaper?
06:08 PM gloops: then what Wolf?
06:08 PM Wolf__: ^
06:08 PM pfred1: gloops yeah looks like a shaper to me
06:09 PM * Wolf__ says expresso machine
06:09 PM pfred1: good for cutting keyways
06:09 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/s0lOLgh.png
06:09 PM Tom_L: they drank real java back when that was made...
06:09 PM gloops: not seeing how the head moves like a shaper
06:09 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/dYl7hi9.png
06:10 PM Tom_L: should be thicker than .125"
06:10 PM gloops: although it has got some big wheel there
06:10 PM Tom_L: i went with .250" steel plate on my mounts
06:11 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/SV5GmaV.png
06:11 PM pink_vampire: this is the problem
06:11 PM gloops: 1/8th ally, suppose it depends on the mill, seems a bit thin
06:12 PM Wolf__: I would go 1/4” 6mm plate
06:12 PM pink_vampire: i need to connect the top plate (motor) to the bottom plate) and i have only 7 mm between the belt and the edge
06:13 PM Wolf__: depends on what the plates attach to as well
06:13 PM pink_vampire: Wolf__: i don't have any. but it is 2024 t3
06:13 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Belt_Guard/New_Belt_installed.jpg
06:14 PM pink_vampire: do you think if i will make the plates larger and will use 8mm block with screws between them it will be ok?
06:14 PM Tom_L: sandwich between the plates?
06:14 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/Autek-Pendant-Wireless-Handwheel-Generator/dp/B078G7LH7W/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1536016193&sr=8-7&keywords=WHB04B
06:14 PM pink_vampire: Tom_L: yes
06:14 PM Tom_L: probably
06:14 PM Wolf__: I would just use standoffs but thats me
06:15 PM pfred1: I could go for a sandwich
06:15 PM Tom_L: just leave enough open for service access
06:15 PM Tom_L: pfred1 those are sammiches
06:15 PM _unreal_: I think the 3 jaw is just mounted on the xy
06:15 PM Tom_L: pink_vampire just make it easy on yourself to change the belt
06:16 PM pink_vampire: what clearance i need between the wall to the belt? 2mm? or more?
06:16 PM _unreal_: is that a hammer
06:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Belt_Guard/Belt_Clearance.jpg
06:16 PM Wolf__: clearance >0
06:16 PM Tom_L: that's what i did
06:17 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I have that same kind of cog....
06:17 PM _unreal_: I'm toying with doing one motor with dual cogs on Y
06:17 PM _unreal_: or dual motors
06:17 PM pfred1: _unreal_ https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/299/OriginMacro.png
06:17 PM gloops: 2mm seems mighty close
06:18 PM Tom_L: yeah i agree
06:18 PM pink_vampire: more?
06:18 PM Tom_L: yes
06:18 PM pink_vampire: how much?
06:18 PM Tom_L: iirc mine is 3/16 to 1/4" clearance
06:18 PM Tom_L: approx
06:19 PM _unreal_: iirc?
06:19 PM Tom_L: google it
06:19 PM _unreal_: hum
06:20 PM pfred1: If I Recall Correctly
06:20 PM _unreal_: I'll stick to LOL
06:20 PM Tom_L: rtfm is another good one
06:20 PM pfred1: Read The Fine Manual
06:20 PM _unreal_: I miss IRC/AOL
06:20 PM _unreal_: err icq
06:21 PM pfred1: ttfn
06:21 PM pfred1: I'm going for that sandwich
06:21 PM _unreal_: WOW https://www.google.com/search?q=icq&oq=icq&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.8909j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
06:21 PM _unreal_: damn were getting old
06:22 PM Wolf__: just you
06:22 PM Wolf__: =P
06:22 PM _unreal_: I drink alone as well
06:24 PM Wolf__: too bad the email I used for icq is dead or I could recover my account
06:25 PM _unreal_: I put all my passwords into txt files that are on harddrives somewhere
06:25 PM _unreal_: some day I'll find them
06:25 PM _unreal_: though the last time I ran ICQ which was like 6 years ago. there was ONE person I knew
06:25 PM _unreal_: knew kind of
06:26 PM _unreal_: though I use to hang out on a channel called appzngamez on dalnet for ever......
06:26 PM _unreal_: then warez kind of died
06:26 PM gloops: icq eh-oh
06:26 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/RvcQUMh.png
06:26 PM pink_vampire: what do you think?
06:26 PM _unreal_: waiting for it to load
06:27 PM Wolf__: looks ok
06:27 PM _unreal_: OMG...... I'm so used to cad I tried to drag it
06:27 PM Wolf__: so how do you plan on adjusting belt tension
06:27 PM Wolf__: lol _unreal_
06:27 PM gloops: middle bolt going to snag the belt
06:27 PM pink_vampire: moving the motor
06:27 PM Wolf__: cant orbit a png
06:28 PM Tom_L: pink, i think you're building yourself into a corner
06:28 PM Wolf__: so you need to take the whole thing apart to move the motor?
06:28 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, I can try like hell
06:28 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/o8e2wB0.png
06:28 PM _unreal_: just add a tention pully
06:28 PM Tom_L: majot labor charge to change the belt
06:28 PM _unreal_: bearing
06:28 PM Wolf__: or make the motor mount plate move
06:29 PM _unreal_: I would do a motor swing plate or a ballbearing tension
06:29 PM Tom_L: bbiab
06:29 PM pink_vampire: to replace the belt is just open 4 bolts
06:29 PM _unreal_: WOW my daughter just called a jewel case a disk safer
06:29 PM _unreal_: saver
06:29 PM _unreal_: asking if I had any mor
06:29 PM _unreal_: more
06:30 PM XXCoder: lol techinically it is
06:31 PM pink_vampire: i want to add one more block for the back
06:31 PM _unreal_: dad do you have a disk safer I need to put away karate kid
06:31 PM _unreal_: saver
06:31 PM _unreal_: I was like a WHAT?
06:32 PM pink_vampire: and make 0.5mm grove
06:35 PM gloops: hmm, this is a very simple design pink_vampire, im not inspired
06:35 PM pink_vampire: no room at the back
06:35 PM gloops: think more - tiger tank
06:35 PM pink_vampire: gloops: what do you mean?
06:36 PM gloops: http://tank-photographs.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/king-tiger-332.jpg
06:36 PM pink_vampire: ok
06:37 PM gloops: we seem to be on the minimum threshold for everything, id like to beef it up a bit and make it ultimately practical
06:37 PM gloops: tank it up
06:37 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, I would ether oversize some of the nema mount holes OR add a slide in 3 of them
06:37 PM pink_vampire: but there is a slide
06:38 PM _unreal_: to tention the motor?
06:38 PM pink_vampire: i want to move the motor not the mount
06:38 PM pink_vampire: yes
06:38 PM _unreal_: then your good whats the issue
06:38 PM Wolf__: well thats silly
06:38 PM _unreal_: pry the motor tighten screws done deal
06:38 PM Wolf__: how do you get to the motor mount bolts with the pulley mounted
06:38 PM _unreal_: yay, bells whistles cheers
06:39 PM pink_vampire: just close the nuts?
06:39 PM gloops: yes, very french design
06:39 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/WFDJ79M.png
06:39 PM _unreal_: I still cant believe AIM has been discontinued
06:40 PM Wolf__: you should be in automotive design pink
06:40 PM pink_vampire: why??
06:40 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, tight and no space
06:40 PM Wolf__: this reminds me of my ford truck, where you need to lift the cab off it to get the valve cover off
06:41 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, my ford ranger 93 is easy to access EVERYTHING
06:41 PM Wolf__: thats cause the 2.8 motors are small ;p
06:42 PM gloops: french cars are the worst
06:42 PM Wolf__: all cars are bad lol
06:42 PM _unreal_: gloops, I love my mazda
06:42 PM pink_vampire: the ideal way to do it, is to use smaller pulleys and a belt tensioner, but i got those pulleys for free, and i have materials here collecting dust.. so..
06:42 PM _unreal_: I have a mazda 5 2015
06:42 PM _unreal_: my ford is retired, trying to get rid of it
06:42 PM gloops: changing a starter motor used to be 3 bolts out - try it on a renault, its a days job
06:43 PM Wolf__: why not slot the mount plate and just slide it
06:43 PM gloops: yes, slots are your friend always
06:43 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, access to the nema mounts
06:43 PM Wolf__: then its just 4 shcs to take the motor off and adjust the tension
06:43 PM _unreal_: to tighten the motor once tension has been met.
06:44 PM gloops: i made stacked plates with slots both ways for my x motors
06:44 PM gloops: tilt and tension
06:44 PM pink_vampire: Wolf__: there is no room at the back
06:44 PM _unreal_: I woudl make a slide plate where the motor is bolted to a PLATE and the plate has the swing tention system
06:44 PM pink_vampire: this is why i moving the motor
06:44 PM Wolf__: then make the motor mount plate shorter
06:44 PM Wolf__: ...
06:45 PM _unreal_: and you can lift a "finger" I love that and setup a 10-24 or greater thread so you can use a machine screw to tention the motor
06:45 PM pink_vampire: why to move the plate is better then moving the motor?
06:45 PM Wolf__: your current design you need to juggle a wrench, hex key and push the motor back at the same time
06:46 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, picture a mount plate just a square
06:46 PM pink_vampire: Wolf__: i see what you mean
06:46 PM pink_vampire: you are correct!
06:46 PM Wolf__: =)
06:46 PM pink_vampire: you save me!!
06:47 PM _unreal_: and have that squre have an area on the right and left sides that stick out. one side is a hole for a fixed bolt. the other side has a slot. you lift the motor to the desired tension and make the bolt tight on the slot side
06:47 PM _unreal_: and wolf gets all the credit
06:48 PM _unreal_: wt.woulf
06:48 PM _unreal_: wolf
06:48 PM _unreal_: wt.wolf=wtf....
06:48 PM Wolf__: doing a pivot system is simple, but a pain in the ass at the same time
06:48 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: you mean to make a slot in the plate? so it will move on the 2 blocks?
06:49 PM _unreal_: yes
06:49 PM Wolf__: then you need to account for the swing of all the parta
06:49 PM _unreal_: yes to pink_vampire
06:49 PM Wolf__: parts*
06:50 PM pink_vampire: pivot system it as my original thought
06:50 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, given a 70 ish mm width nema23 its not much of a swing especially if he really only needs about 15mm max for a tension.
06:50 PM pink_vampire: but i afraid it will no going to be rigid enough
06:51 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, just add oversized bolt holes if you need to be more secure
06:51 PM _unreal_: for an Xtra bolt or 2
06:51 PM pink_vampire: there is any advantage to small 1:1 with small pulleys vs 1:1 with larger pulleys?
06:52 PM Wolf__: http://www.joshendyblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/fiveaxis12.jpg same idea, motor mounted solid to plate, plate moves to adjust
06:52 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: there is not much room for it, and also it is just 1/8" plate
06:52 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, if your ratio is the same then the only data of value is the value of the pully load max
06:52 PM Wolf__: larger pulley = more tooth engagement with timing belt
06:52 PM pink_vampire: more tooth engagement = better?
06:53 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, can be but also more resistance
06:53 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, larger pulleys need more tension
06:54 PM pink_vampire: :(
06:54 PM pink_vampire: I hope it will work
06:54 PM Wolf__: other way around, larger pulley needs less tension
06:55 PM Wolf__: vs small pulley
06:57 PM _unreal_: I'm trying to draw it but I have not used inkscape in so long they have changed everything again MF'ERS
06:57 PM pink_vampire: Wolf__: say less _unreal_ say more
06:58 PM _unreal_: ?
06:58 PM Wolf__: smaller pulley would need more tension to keep it from slipping
06:59 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/U8LTQbL.png
06:59 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, smaller pully, more tention=stretching
06:59 PM Wolf__: smaller pulley = less surface area contact with belt
07:00 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, agree'd but less torque loading as well
07:01 PM pink_vampire: why i can't be normal person and watch tv as a "hobby"
07:01 PM Wolf__: lol
07:01 PM _unreal_: heh
07:01 PM Wolf__: what fun is that
07:01 PM _unreal_: hay look gay people
07:02 PM XXCoder: no0rmality is overrated
07:02 PM _unreal_: vs. your worng, your wrong, no your wrong
07:03 PM Tom_L: worried about surface contact go wider on the pulleys
07:03 PM _unreal_: or multiply
07:03 PM Tom_L: if the ratio is what you want
07:03 PM _unreal_: gigity gigity
07:03 PM Wolf__: timing belt system right pink?
07:03 PM Tom_L: the cad shows smooth pullies :D
07:04 PM Tom_L: no excuse for that
07:04 PM _unreal_: later on I'll take a few photos of my cnc motor controller box I'm bilding
07:04 PM Rab: This looks like a fair amount of stuff for $600, but they seem to be selling it just as a starting point...wonder what the deal is. https://austin.craigslist.org/tls/d/diy-cnc-router-setup/6685146733.html
07:04 PM pink_vampire: my plan is to use those pulleys, and it is going to be 2 times faster then the original gear, but i have no idea if the motor ill be good for it.. if i will see that i need more torque i will get a small pulley for the motor, and smaller belt.
07:05 PM pink_vampire: I need the slow spindle for 3/8" end mills, facing, and tapping
07:05 PM pink_vampire: 3/8" and up..
07:05 PM Tom_L: same problem i've got
07:06 PM _unreal_: I have a case that is verymuch like the black box on the left https://static1.squarespace.com/static/508ee24be4b08a6452de8d90/t/5976e7449f74560d7f517be7/1500964686713/cornicello-strobes?format=500w
07:06 PM Tom_L: i want to be able to rigid tap and have speeds up to around 10k or so
07:06 PM Wolf__: Rab: thats a interesting looking mess there
07:07 PM pink_vampire: add a tapping head with stepper / servo
07:07 PM Wolf__: might be something someone got in trade or found in a storage unit seeing no details of whats there
07:07 PM pink_vampire: Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGTfVlsA9Ww
07:09 PM Rab: Wolf__, that could be. I assumed somebody got a project to 90% and then unsurmountable resonance/flexibility/alignment issues emerged, so they ragequit.
07:10 PM Wolf__: Rab: would think they would have parted it all out then
07:10 PM Rab: Looking for a more complete machine in the background of the photos.
07:13 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: that was done with mach - using A axis for tapping
07:13 PM skunkworks: beause mach doesn't do rigid tapping
07:15 PM skunkworks: you guys need more torque.. ;)
07:15 PM Tom_L: my config is all set up for it but the motor really isn't big enough to do it
07:15 PM Tom_L: skunkworks i know
07:16 PM Tom_L: and no i don't need to see your horizontal tapping video again :D
07:16 PM Tom_L: kinda jealous
07:16 PM _unreal_: so question for you guys... I'm looking at doing a dual pully single motor OR dual motor for my Y on the cnc machine I'm going to build.
07:16 PM _unreal_: the motors I have are 470oz
07:16 PM _unreal_: I have a pully system that is like 40 to 1
07:17 PM _unreal_: err no
07:17 PM _unreal_: I'd have to count I think off the top of my head its like 40 to 7 teeth?
07:17 PM Rab: 5.714:1?
07:17 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: how about vertial tapping? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXLF0u-tdT0
07:18 PM Tom_L: hah
07:18 PM _unreal_: Rab, I have to go up into the attic to get them down. so I'm giving a aprox numbers
07:18 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: what do you mean ?
07:18 PM _unreal_: but I'm toying with a single motor to drive DUAL screws for the Y or dual motors direct
07:18 PM _unreal_: ether pullys or direct drive
07:19 PM Tom_L: skunkworks what do you guys use for cad cam?
07:19 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: did you see -> http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180903_154721.jpg
07:19 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: what do you mean here "[20:14:20] <skunkworks> you guys need more torque.. "
07:19 PM Tom_L: no but i saw that part sitting on the base
07:20 PM Tom_L: the tubes just sitting in the holes?
07:20 PM Rab: _unreal_, what sort of screws do you have?
07:20 PM _unreal_: I'm going to get ball screws prob
07:20 PM _unreal_: I have not gotten my rails or my screws yet
07:21 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: what machine is that?
07:21 PM _unreal_: I need to talk to the machining solutions company again to make a final plah
07:21 PM _unreal_: plan
07:21 PM _unreal_: and bring my base to them
07:21 PM pink_vampire: it's look similar to the 770
07:22 PM _unreal_: hehe I see 770 and all I can think of is nvidia
07:24 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: it is a matsuura - vintage 85'ish
07:24 PM pink_vampire: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/GreenMachine.JPG
07:24 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: in the ball screws - yes - pretty much gravity dump
07:25 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: was that when you just got it?
07:25 PM XXCoder: dang you changed it a lot
07:25 PM pink_vampire: https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/tormach-images-web/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/23210932/32084_PCNC-770S3.jpg
07:26 PM pink_vampire: look at the tormach, it's almost a copy of your matsuura
07:26 PM XXCoder: oh nm lol
07:27 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: which one? the video or the green machine?
07:27 PM pink_vampire: this one http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/GreenMachine.JPG
07:27 PM skunkworks: ah - yes - it looks a lot like a tormach because it was their 440 prototype.
07:28 PM skunkworks: needless to say - they didn't go with that supplier..
07:28 PM skunkworks: it had lots of issues..
07:28 PM skunkworks: has
07:28 PM skunkworks: slowly fixing them.
07:29 PM skunkworks: it will be one heck of a small machine when it is done
07:29 PM _unreal_: any one played with solid state relays?
07:29 PM skunkworks: yes
07:29 PM _unreal_: wondering how hot they get... I have a bunhc of stripped out of stuff never sued
07:29 PM _unreal_: used
07:29 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: me
07:29 PM _unreal_: I'm looking at the 40amp one's I have to be a disconnect for the MAIN's
07:30 PM pink_vampire: rate them about 1/4 of what they say
07:30 PM _unreal_: I cant draw any more then 15-20a 120v ac... I dont know what the supply is but thats all there is in the building that I'm going to have the machine
07:30 PM _unreal_: ?
07:30 PM _unreal_: ok so 10A
07:31 PM _unreal_: both of my 36v dc supplies draw about 5a's
07:31 PM pink_vampire: cor continues load they can get HOT
07:31 PM _unreal_: I can go with relays as welll
07:32 PM _unreal_: I just like the idea of solid state relays :)
07:33 PM skunkworks: they are usually a junction voltage drop.. so .6v at whatever amps should be the power radiation
07:33 PM pink_vampire: i told you, get a contactor
07:33 PM _unreal_: contactor meaning relay
07:33 PM pink_vampire: mmm no
07:33 PM _unreal_: ?
07:34 PM pink_vampire: https://ferreteriavidri.com/images/items/large/59098.jpg?xa
07:34 PM _unreal_: if your talking about a switch... this has NOTHING to do with a switch
07:34 PM pink_vampire: they look like that and they design to disconnect very fast
07:35 PM pink_vampire: they cut the power in few in ms
07:35 PM _unreal_: ahh..... last I knew you couldnt get siemens stuff in USA
07:36 PM _unreal_: maybe its just breaker boxes
07:36 PM pink_vampire: just make self holding loop with a momentary switch and your E-stop chain
07:37 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: the brand is not important, you can get any decent brand
07:40 PM pink_vampire: you need to have 1 start button, and a chain of NC switches or realys that can kill the power because over heating, over current, someone press the e-stop, etc, and if the E-stop chain tripped it will kill the power to the coil in the contactor, and kill the main power to the machine
07:42 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: 100% agree. it is the first loop we setup.
07:45 PM skunkworks: (although we don't have a start buton... - Linuxcnc activates the loop)
07:50 PM pink_vampire: I like to have it start manually
07:57 PM skunkworks: on the K&T.. - pull out the gui estop - hydraulics turn on - all contactors turn on.
07:57 PM pink_vampire: how to I add mist on / off ?
07:58 PM skunkworks: turn on - drives / spindle enables (control loop)
07:59 PM pink_vampire: but how i set the pins?
08:10 PM Tom_L: pyvcp would work
08:14 PM pink_vampire: i mean to the lpt port
08:18 PM pink_vampire: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/30912-motion-detection-signal
08:18 PM pink_vampire: i did it here
08:18 PM pink_vampire: i have no idea how
08:18 PM pink_vampire: Tom_L: motion.in-position connected to parport.0.pin-09
08:18 PM pink_vampire: do you remember how i'm doing it?
08:18 PM pink_vampire: i think it's in the ini
08:27 PM _unreal_: ok so pink_vampire let me ask you a question: <pink_vampire> you need to have 1 start button, and a chain of NC switches or realys that can kill the power because over heating, over current, someone press the e-stop, etc, and if the E-stop chain tripped it will kill the power to the coil in the contactor, and kill the main power to the machine
08:27 PM pink_vampire: ??
08:28 PM _unreal_: when the other day I mentioned that I was about to now HAVE. purchased some Estop switches that are low amperage you where giving me a rash of shit... when that is exatly what they are going to do is start the TRIGGER processes of killing all power
08:30 PM pink_vampire: yeah, but i meant to use quality e-stop and contactor. all the other stuff are less important
08:30 PM _unreal_: I'm going to put them inline with the main relays. so that they have to be reset for power to be enabled. and I can ether have a soft NC trigger OR I can have a HARD kill trigger which will be detected by the falling edge
08:30 PM pink_vampire: the e-stop get abused
08:30 PM XXCoder: e-stop does get hit hard yeah
08:30 PM _unreal_: My old machine I had an ESTOP and a panic
08:31 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: tell me about it
08:31 PM _unreal_: speaking of I need to find that sucker again
08:31 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: i like that idea
08:32 PM _unreal_: the panic switch that I used works just like a car door lock. has a little plunger that you pull up to set and slam down to kill
08:32 PM _unreal_: designed for abuse but it has a small pull handle
08:33 PM pink_vampire: for soft stop just hit ESC
08:52 PM pink_vampire: how do i add a pin in hal?
09:08 PM pink_vampire: linuxcnc crash and get kernel panic all the time
09:08 PM pink_vampire: WTF
09:08 PM infornography: You broke it?
09:09 PM infornography: Stop breaking it
09:10 PM pink_vampire: i was trying to forward a "pin" to a pin 9 in the para port
09:10 PM pink_vampire: "motion.in-position
09:11 PM pink_vampire: "motion.in-position" to "parport.0.pin-09-out"
09:11 PM pink_vampire: infornography: ^
09:11 PM infornography: brb!
09:11 PM pink_vampire: ok
09:13 PM pink_vampire: i added to the hal file,
09:14 PM pink_vampire: net motionindicator => paraport.0.pin-09-out
09:24 PM pink_vampire: how the "not" work in the hall file?
09:28 PM XXCoder: maybe its ! ? I dont know
09:29 PM XXCoder: not is inverter apparently
09:29 PM XXCoder: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/hal/basic_hal.html
09:29 PM XXCoder: section 5.2
09:29 PM pink_vampire: i need to invert pin 9 in my para port
09:30 PM XXCoder: looks like you just add not before name
09:30 PM XXCoder: example: not.n.in (bit, in)
09:31 PM pink_vampire: i'm not sure what is the "bit"
09:31 PM XXCoder: single bit, 0 or 1
09:31 PM pink_vampire: and what is not.n and not.all???
09:31 PM XXCoder: in is boolean variable name'
09:31 PM XXCoder: yeah that part is unclear to me
09:31 PM XXCoder: I never played with HAL im working from my programming background
09:32 PM pink_vampire: let me take a pic
09:33 PM pink_vampire: parport.0.pin-09-out-invert this is not working
09:33 PM pink_vampire: not-parport.0.pin-09-out now i'm trying that
09:34 PM pink_vampire: also not working
09:34 PM pink_vampire: not.parport.0.pin-09-out maybe "." instead of the "-"
09:35 PM pink_vampire: also not working
09:35 PM XXCoder: you need n
09:35 PM XXCoder: not.n.parport blah blah
09:35 PM pink_vampire: maybe not.n.parport.0.pin-09-out
09:35 PM pink_vampire: also not working
09:36 PM XXCoder: what is parport data type anyway
09:36 PM XXCoder: is it single bit data or 8 bit number or whatever?
09:36 PM pink_vampire: i have no idea
09:36 PM XXCoder: I think I finally understand it
09:36 PM pink_vampire: without the "not.n" it is working
09:36 PM XXCoder: you can use not.0.par... or not.all.parpor....
09:38 PM pink_vampire: so in separate line to add not.0.parport.0.pin-09-out ??
09:38 PM XXCoder: same line
09:38 PM pink_vampire: ok
09:38 PM XXCoder: not add to it but modify it
09:39 PM pink_vampire: i'm trying not.0.parport.0.pin-09-out
09:39 PM pink_vampire: also not working
09:39 PM XXCoder: maybe all one will work dunno
09:51 PM pink_vampire: even not.all don't work.
09:52 PM XXCoder: bah dunno then
09:54 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: parport.<p>.pin-<n>-out-invert
09:55 PM skunkworks: inverts the output pin
09:55 PM XXCoder: she tried that
09:55 PM XXCoder: didnt work
09:55 PM skunkworks: ?
09:56 PM XXCoder: <pink_vampire> parport.0.pin-09-out-invert this is not working
09:56 PM pink_vampire: let me try again
09:57 PM pink_vampire: no
09:57 PM pink_vampire: fail
09:57 PM skunkworks: you setp parport.0.pin-09-out-invert true
09:58 PM pink_vampire: to add true?
09:58 PM skunkworks: it is an attribute to the output pin.
09:59 PM pink_vampire: the hole line is
09:59 PM pink_vampire: net motiondetection => parport.0.pin-09-out-invert
09:59 PM skunkworks: no
09:59 PM skunkworks: setp parport.0.pin-09-out-invert true
10:00 PM pink_vampire: where to put it?
10:00 PM skunkworks: net motiondetection => parport.0.pin-09-out
10:00 PM pink_vampire: the "setp" is like setup line?
10:01 PM skunkworks: you configure the pin to be inverted with the setp
10:01 PM skunkworks: yes
10:01 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: can you dpaste the entire hal at dpaste.com?
10:01 PM skunkworks: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/parallel-port.html
10:01 PM pink_vampire: the linuxcnc computer is not connected to the internet
10:02 PM pink_vampire: but maybe
10:02 PM skunkworks: 2 lines as above. setp sets the pin to inverted
10:02 PM skunkworks: then connect the pin to the signal
10:03 PM skunkworks: setp parport.0.pin-09-out-invert true
10:03 PM skunkworks: net motiondetection => parport.0.pin-09-out
10:03 PM pink_vampire: https://pastebin.com/raw/U679BxaM
10:04 PM pink_vampire: i want to get the "motion.in-position" in to pin9 in inverted way
10:06 PM skunkworks: yes. did you try the 2 lines?
10:06 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: setp parport.0.pin-09-out-invert true didn't work
10:06 PM skunkworks: what is the error?
10:06 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/XnhEZwH.png
10:07 PM pink_vampire: pin dose not exist
10:07 PM pink_vampire: pin 'parport.0.pin-09-out-invert' dose not exist
10:10 PM skunkworks: what gui are you using
10:11 PM skunkworks: is the port set to out?
10:11 PM pink_vampire: yes
10:11 PM pink_vampire: axis
10:12 PM skunkworks: run axis ( linecommented out)
10:12 PM pink_vampire: what do you mean?
10:13 PM skunkworks: machine menu - hal configuration
10:13 PM pink_vampire: ho ok
10:14 PM pink_vampire: so i need to remove the code that make issues
10:14 PM skunkworks: (comment out the line so axis starts)
10:14 PM skunkworks: right
10:15 PM skunkworks: machine menu -> show hal configuration
10:16 PM pink_vampire: i think it is working and it was network issue
10:16 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: WOOORKKK
10:16 PM skunkworks: that is the list of available pins. look for your parport 9 invert
10:16 PM skunkworks: oh?
10:17 PM pink_vampire: this is the code that work! https://i.imgur.com/Y8xqKpd.png
10:18 PM pink_vampire: the issue was that the ssh was drop all the time and it didn't save the change
10:19 PM skunkworks: yay!
10:19 PM skunkworks: make sense?
10:21 PM pink_vampire: I'm trying to make one by myself just to see if i understand how it work
10:22 PM pink_vampire: cool!!!
10:24 PM skunkworks: it is a little confusing. inputs usually have 2 pins. you connect the one you want ( inverted or not inverted).. outputs only have one pin and you set it to inverted with the invert parameter.
10:24 PM Tom_L: quick n dirty encoder: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/encoder/encoder1.jpg
10:24 PM Tom_L: didn't file the tab or debur it yet
10:25 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: cool!
10:25 PM Tom_L: you can see deflection where the .0625 cutter plunged a little
10:26 PM Tom_L: could have profiled it but meh
10:26 PM pink_vampire: after 2 years 3 months 31 days i solved it https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/30912-motion-detection-signal
10:28 PM pink_vampire: Tom_L: 1/16" is not that small that it will deflect that much, I think it is flex in structure of the machine
10:30 PM pink_vampire: did you zigzag in ramp motion it or plunge it?
10:33 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: is there a "signal" for M30?
10:40 PM skunkworks: maybe look at halui pins?
10:41 PM skunkworks: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
10:45 PM pink_vampire: i want to get BEEP at the end of the program
10:46 PM pink_vampire: and kill the spindle power
10:50 PM infornography: that would be nice
10:50 PM infornography: You get it to not break yet?
10:50 PM _unreal_: years ago I wanted one of these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073VNDVR4/ref=sspa_dk_detail_5?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B073VNDVR4&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=4b9303cf-595a-449a-b0d6-15d3b199056d&pf_rd_r=9BWR0M10XW01Z9WHJH4A&pd_rd_wg=yGZQK&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&pd_rd_w=ndVIM&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pd_rd_r=456debf3-aff5-11e8-96dd-777fa7fb2507
10:51 PM pink_vampire: infornography: I don't like the brake with the vfd, it is not very good on the vfd
10:52 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: nice toy
10:52 PM infornography: is that all plastic?
10:52 PM _unreal_: I dont know
10:52 PM _unreal_: all I know is 15 years ago I saw it and wanted it baddly then but it was like $400
10:52 PM infornography: das cheap
10:52 PM _unreal_: on ebay
10:53 PM infornography: the new price I mean
10:54 PM pink_vampire: there is no signal for the program finished?
10:56 PM infornography: I would help you if I could pink, but I can only offer moral support
10:57 PM pink_vampire: thanks :-)
10:57 PM skunkworks: could maybe use.. halui.program.is−running
10:58 PM pink_vampire: if it is running it's true?
10:58 PM Wolf__: cam processor, end of run commands, spindle off command, m code to output to external relay hooked to buzzer/air horn/siren
10:59 PM pink_vampire: M code will be the easyest
11:00 PM pink_vampire: like M8 M30
11:00 PM pink_vampire: like the mist or coolant M code
11:19 PM XXCoder: nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mZhOlr5v-s
11:23 PM infonograph: what the heck
11:24 PM XXCoder: I love this old tony. he makes so many jokes
11:27 PM XXCoder: the cat one :P lol
11:32 PM XXCoder: lol then the boy
11:37 PM MarcelineVQ: The boy got me
11:38 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:59 PM fragalot: hi