#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 02 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:20 AM MarcelineVQ: what else is there for a human to do :>
12:23 AM XXCoder: theorically everything we do thats not eating resting and having sex is waste of time
12:23 AM gloops: in the grand scheme of things maybe, but to retain the will to live i have to give my life some purpose
12:24 AM gloops: also probably autism lol
12:28 AM XXCoder: yep we all gonna find our own purposes
12:32 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuglWOHxNQs fun bonus stages lol
12:34 AM XXCoder: its same sonic game that sonic, if left idling on map long enough, will flip off and jump off, then erase save file
12:40 AM veek: phew finished one complete pass of metallurgy
12:40 AM veek: book
12:53 AM gloops: youll soon be an expert veek
12:54 AM veek: paper tiger :p
12:55 AM veek: anyway.. i plan to teach this stuff (hopefully) so I need the practical xperience
12:55 AM veek: then my students can procure material for me :p
12:57 AM gloops: veek are these studies part of a degree or something?
12:57 AM veek: nope
12:58 AM gloops: im just wondering where the teaching comes in - ahh youre going to be an independent metalwork guru
12:58 AM veek: my sis is a bit ill.. so.. long story short.. the hospital suggested outdoor activity which she's reluctant to do
12:58 AM veek: so i thought i'd convert the house to a workshop and get people in
12:58 AM gloops: ahh right, good idea
12:59 AM gloops: probably find lots of people willing to hang out in a workshop environment
12:59 AM veek: and she can maybe slowly be lured to do more work..
12:59 AM veek: yeah
12:59 AM veek: like a hackerspace
01:00 AM gloops: yep, so long as they dont bring their cans with them lol
01:01 AM gloops: i think that could work veek, sometimes a person cant see the point of something - until they see others doing it around them, different people contributing to the conversation etc
01:01 AM veek: if i finish the basic metallurgy then i can teach arduino+woodworking+metallurgy for free
01:01 AM veek: yeah!
01:02 AM gloops: and often they dont want to entertain the advice of a nurse or relative or whatever, but if someone else is saying it..
01:02 AM veek: yep
01:03 AM fragalot: hey
01:03 AM norias: hey
01:04 AM miss0r|office: mornin
01:08 AM gloops: mo'nin
02:06 AM Deejay: moin
03:17 AM HexaCube: good morning folks
03:19 AM XXCoder: yo
04:59 AM jthornton: morning
05:18 AM Deejay: hey hey
05:18 AM XXCoder: yo
05:31 AM Tom_L: morning
05:33 AM jthornton: morning
05:35 AM Tom_L: 75F, Hi 89 summer doesn't wanna let go
05:37 AM jthornton: 70's to high 80's here for the next week
05:41 AM HexaCube: hmmm, did anyone do some research on building a soundproof box for his/her router? :P
05:45 AM cpresser: HexaCube: yes, its compliated. for setup work you dont want a box around
05:46 AM XXCoder: maybe something like double jointed doors so it can get way out of way?
05:46 AM XXCoder: soundproofing dont ask me :P
05:48 AM HexaCube: "setup work"?
05:48 AM cpresser: most of the noise my router creates is due to vibration. so a better stand, sharper tools, improved toolpaths help to reduce noise
05:48 AM XXCoder: setting up fixture, find xyz so on and on
05:48 AM HexaCube: ahh
05:48 AM XXCoder: stuff you do before running
05:48 AM HexaCube: okay
05:48 AM HexaCube: hmmm
05:49 AM cpresser: or during, if you dont have a atc
05:49 AM XXCoder: indeed
05:49 AM cpresser: removing a huge box first, then chaning tools, putting the box back, thats pita
05:49 AM HexaCube: right
05:50 AM HexaCube: perhaps some "drawer" mechanism might be interesting
05:50 AM HexaCube: but I'm mainly interested in what kinda materials work *best*
05:50 AM HexaCube: foam? rubber?
05:50 AM cpresser: everything(TM) that does not create addition vibration
05:50 AM cpresser: acustic foam does help, but needs cleaning
05:51 AM cpresser: and is non transparent, so you cant see your router work
06:02 AM valentin_s: hey, i would like to connect my huanyang vfd via rs485 directly to the serial interface of my mesa card. Any suggestions?
06:02 AM valentin_s: there is the possibility to connect ist via usb/rs485 interface but the mesa interface would be nicer
06:02 AM valentin_s: i got a 7i96 fpga card
06:16 AM fragalot: miss0r: looks like someone broke out the auto-feed endstop on X-.. noticed after I made a new one after I noticed it was missing >.>
06:16 AM miss0r: uhoh
06:17 AM miss0r: damn... I'm out of one way screws. Luckily I still have glue :D
06:17 AM fragalot: I think I may be able to make a new nut that bridges the gap, but I'll have to have another look at some other point
06:17 AM fragalot: first.. ribs :D
06:17 AM miss0r: :D nive
06:17 AM miss0r: with a c
06:18 AM fragalot: https://photos.app.goo.gl/cwgh2Bo8sPeeHoKu8
06:18 AM fragalot: original right, new left
06:18 AM fragalot: also the first part on the mill :)
06:18 AM gloops: valentin_s you want the mesa people, jthornton pcw_mesa JT-Shop
06:18 AM miss0r: That looks pretty damn good. What did you use as blueing compound?
06:19 AM fragalot: forgot the name.. little blue bottle
06:19 AM miss0r: The birchwood gun blue?
06:19 AM jthornton: that's a question for pcw_home for sure
06:19 AM miss0r: "Birchwood casey"
06:19 AM fragalot: miss0r: yeah
06:20 AM miss0r: fragalot: Same stuff I use. It always works wonders
06:20 AM fragalot: i have no idea what material i used, but it wrecked a file :p
06:20 AM miss0r: Then it must be good :D
06:20 AM XXCoder: tooling steel?
06:21 AM fragalot: XXCoder: scrapbin special
06:21 AM miss0r: ahh. The notorious mystery metal
06:27 AM XXCoder: fun metal
06:28 AM XXCoder: I saw one gy in youtube using lathe on rebar
06:28 AM XXCoder: it looked pretty dang bad
06:28 AM XXCoder: drill twisted randomly as it went though random metal in rebar
06:36 AM gloops: well my lathe to be was discovered, i reckon that baldor motor and controller would have been useful https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metal-lathe/263901860112?
06:37 AM gloops: but not for more than 30 quid
06:37 AM jthornton: python used to be my favorite programming language until I tried to distribute something with pip. pip is the most f**ked up crap I've tried to use in a long time
06:38 AM fragalot: lol
06:39 AM XXCoder: pip pip boy
06:39 AM jthornton: and there is no clear documents for pip only thousands of different versions lol
06:48 AM HexaCube: hmmm, not pretty but I guess that will work for adding some rigidity? https://i.imgur.com/mR64hJw.png
06:49 AM XXCoder: can add hollows but yeah
06:49 AM XXCoder: you know of adding hollows to increase strength futher than mere plate?
06:49 AM HexaCube: hollows like cutouts?
06:49 AM XXCoder: working around sides probably will be bit awkward
06:49 AM XXCoder: nah not cutouts
06:50 AM XXCoder: shallow pockets
06:50 AM HexaCube: got a picture of what you mean?
06:50 AM fragalot: there is a big difference between pockets and holes, XXCoder
06:50 AM XXCoder: looking still
06:50 AM fragalot: and pockets do not add strength
06:50 AM fragalot: pockets help with vibration damping
06:50 AM XXCoder: fragalot: it does in certain ways I read about it but cant find it
06:51 AM XXCoder: more twist resistance for one
06:51 AM XXCoder: dammit cant find
06:51 AM fragalot: XXCoder: also bear in mind material stresses, cutting pockets may well warp his plate
06:52 AM HexaCube: meh I wanna get those plates lasercut tbh
06:52 AM XXCoder: that can happen yeah
06:52 AM fragalot: HexaCube: Go for it. :)
06:57 AM Deejay: re
06:57 AM HexaCube: Do you guys think 0.9° steppers are worth it if I wanna do PCB routing?
06:58 AM fragalot: the way you'll do the leadscrews will likely make more of a difference
06:59 AM HexaCube: I'm going to use ballscrews (not sure what you mean by "the way you'll do them", sorry)
06:59 AM fragalot: quality of ballscrews and rails
07:00 AM HexaCube: ahhh
07:00 AM fragalot: no sense in using a 0.9° stepper if you're going to use a C7 ballscrew
07:00 AM HexaCube: hmmmm, that'S regarding the precision, right?
07:01 AM fragalot: yes
07:01 AM fragalot: C7 is the common ebay one
07:01 AM fragalot: rolled, not very accurate
07:01 AM HexaCube: hrmmm
07:01 AM HexaCube: yes, to be 100% fair I was gonna go with the chinese ballscrews
07:02 AM fragalot: then don't bother with the .9° steppers :-)
07:02 AM fragalot: They'll work fine, worst case you need to do screw compensation in lcnc to correct them
07:02 AM HexaCube: C7 says +-50µm over 300mm
07:02 AM gloops: what accuracy do you need HexaCube?
07:03 AM HexaCube: well I'd love to be able to go down to 0.1mm traces, but I'm unsure what kinda step resolution I want, for that
07:03 AM gloops: thats doable with finest chinese hardware
07:04 AM HexaCube: it's 4mm pitch for the ballscrew, so a full step would be 0.02mm using 1.8° steppers
07:04 AM _unreal_: HEHE my first cnc machine could only do etching. that thing used quater 20 threaded rod :)
07:06 AM _unreal_: and I geared the small pancake printer motors with the gears from the printers
07:06 AM gloops: yeah, could gear the z down, maybe a planetary gearboox
07:06 AM HexaCube: basically I wanna get as close to a professional PCB as possibel without spending crazy amounts of money :P
07:06 AM fragalot: HexaCube: that's fine.
07:06 AM HexaCube: fragalot: so, 1.8° steppers?
07:06 AM fragalot: HexaCube: don't forget that if there is not a lot of load, there's also microstepping to improve resolution
07:06 AM gloops: backlash not so much an issue for z
07:06 AM fragalot: even only 1/2 microstep would give you 0.01mm
07:06 AM HexaCube: I was originally going to get 0.9°, but those have just a few motors to choose from
07:06 AM gloops: 3 270oz Longs motors
07:06 AM _unreal_: HexaCube, how big of a machine?
07:07 AM HexaCube: ehhh, not that big, about 600 x 600mm footprint iirc
07:07 AM fragalot: HexaCube: 0.9° is a waste of money for what you're doing
07:07 AM HexaCube: fragalot: they're not more expensive to be fair
07:07 AM HexaCube: well, maybe slightly, but not in a way that would matter at all
07:07 AM HexaCube: https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/nema-23-stepper-motor/dual-shaft-nema-23-bipolar-09deg-09nm-1275ozin-038a-57x57x51mm-4-wires-23hm20-0384d.html?mfp=149-step-angle%5B0.9%5D
07:08 AM HexaCube: Machine footprint is 590x640mm
07:08 AM HexaCube: cutting footprint is around 340x500-ish
07:08 AM gloops: you know, thats quite big really
07:09 AM miss0r: Bah... I just got hurt witH the most dangerous tool in the shop
07:09 AM fragalot: miss0r: you walked into a table?
07:09 AM fragalot: (implying YOU are the tool)
07:09 AM miss0r: fragalot: sadly, A quite deep cut in my left thumb with a hobby knife
07:09 AM fragalot: ouch
07:10 AM miss0r: (which would underline I am the tool)
07:10 AM fragalot: I hate those knives
07:10 AM miss0r: Yeah
07:10 AM fragalot: they're always dull
07:10 AM fragalot: dull knives are dangerous knives
07:10 AM miss0r: sadly, this was anything but dull
07:10 AM miss0r: I am debating weather to go to the ER or not at the moment :) I've stopped the bleeding, I have full mobility & all feeling in the finger remains, so nothing serious was severed
07:11 AM miss0r: but it was damn deep
07:11 AM fragalot: might be good to get it cleaned & stitched anyway
07:11 AM miss0r: well, the amount it bled, there won't be anything to clean
07:11 AM miss0r: but stitches.. well.. that is pretty rare on a thumb
07:12 AM miss0r: I am almost certain they will just make a bandage the way I've already applyed it
07:12 AM gloops: set of motors here - brand new https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WANTAI-STEPPER-MOTOR-3-AXIS-KIT-FOR-ROUTER-ENGRAVER/142915341926
07:12 AM miss0r: also, it happened while removing a 'burr' on your damn crate :D
07:12 AM fragalot: well then there's no point is there?
07:12 AM miss0r: I wouldn't think so
07:12 AM fragalot: you better not have bled on my tappig head! :P
07:12 AM miss0r: I have not. My ninja like reflexes had me outside the shop before it started dripping
07:13 AM miss0r: but cuts in the thumb bleed like a mofo
07:13 AM _unreal_: gloops, thats a nice deal
07:13 AM gloops: unreal yeah i ought to bid really
07:14 AM _unreal_: HexaCube, are you building or buying this pcb engraver
07:14 AM miss0r: fragalot: Luckily for you, i've run out of one way screws
07:14 AM gloops: but just shows - you can build a machine for very little if you scrounge round
07:14 AM miss0r: I have been generous with the glue, though :D
07:14 AM fragalot: miss0r: I heard something about glue though ._. the penny hadn't dropped until now
07:14 AM _unreal_: gloops, its getting tothe point where its cheaper to buy the baby machines
07:14 AM miss0r: hehe
07:14 AM gloops: probably yeah
07:14 AM HexaCube: _unreal_: I'm building it
07:15 AM gloops: the small cheap machines are usually crap though
07:15 AM HexaCube: that's how it looks atm :P https://i.imgur.com/GvMOGuA.png
07:15 AM gloops: you pay more for a decent made one
07:15 AM _unreal_: HexaCube, you could buy a working machine for $130 USD
07:15 AM fragalot: miss0r: P.S. the screws I used are hardened & I ground the slots out. :P
07:15 AM miss0r: haha
07:15 AM HexaCube: I'm a bit in a special position because I can get stuff made *REALLY* cheaply at work so it might be cheaper vs. buying one
07:15 AM HexaCube: plus I know what kinda components are in the machine if I DIY it (also I like tinkering and building)
07:15 AM miss0r: don't tell me that now: I have not yet put the lid on... I might be inclined to use glue there as well then :D
07:15 AM fragalot: ;_;
07:16 AM HexaCube: it's not meant only for PCBs but I also wanna do some plastic/wood
07:16 AM gloops: 300x500 might not be a big router, but you still need to be able to cut in that window the same as you would on an 8x4
07:16 AM miss0r: or... OR!! hahaha; fill the box with epoxy :D
07:16 AM gloops: i.e fast and deep
07:16 AM gloops: those chinese little machines are barely able to scratch wood
07:16 AM miss0r: this is ofc. the bloodlos speaking.. I would never do that.. or would I !? :D
07:16 AM fragalot: you wouldn't :)
07:17 AM miss0r: nah, I wouldn't... I would love to take part in ruining your day.. but not by ruining a tapping head :)
07:17 AM _unreal_: miss0r, wash it hold your hand up high to stop the bleeding.. get some super glue. glue your boo boo back togeather and get back to work
07:18 AM miss0r: _unreal_: Not doing any machine work today, so a bandage does just fine :)
07:18 AM _unreal_: I was a nurse for many years and a medtech
07:18 AM miss0r: I was an army medic, I got this ;)
07:18 AM _unreal_: miss0r, super glue is better then a bandaid.. look it up
07:18 AM miss0r: Yeah, I know. But the stuff I have is not suited for skin, sadly
07:19 AM fragalot: does the skin know?
07:19 AM HexaCube: get some staples :P
07:19 AM miss0r: Originaly made during the vietnam war, to close up wounds
07:19 AM miss0r: I have a nice bandage on my finger now. and I am working on ;)
07:19 AM _unreal_: super glue stops the pain. if the injury is glued well
07:20 AM _unreal_: does not help with the deep pain though but better then nothing
07:21 AM _unreal_: In my opinion its better to super glue and cover with a bandaid
07:21 AM miss0r: sure. This was a realy clean cut. It will heal nicely. Hardly any pain
07:21 AM fragalot: right, time to /ACTUALLY/ measure the schaublin now for scales...
07:21 AM _unreal_: how long ago did you cut it
07:21 AM miss0r: 10 minuts
07:21 AM fragalot: miss0r: you up for a skype tour? :P
07:21 AM miss0r: I'm in
07:21 AM * fragalot -> shed
07:22 AM _unreal_: miss0r, its going to stat hurting a lot in about 2 hours and more in 12-24 hours
07:22 AM _unreal_: when the nerve endings start fixing them selfs.
07:23 AM miss0r: _unreal_: Yeah, I know. That is usualy how this plays out. In about 20 minuts, when the bleeding is stopped completely, I will open the bandage and apply butterflies
07:23 AM miss0r: Let it breathe a bit with that
07:23 AM _unreal_: O,o
07:24 AM miss0r: Why does that sounds so odd to you?
07:24 AM miss0r: I can't run around with a huge bandage on the rest of the day :)
07:24 AM gloops: causterise the wound miss0r
07:24 AM fragalot: miss0r: hang on need to log in >.>
07:25 AM gloops: with soldering iron
07:25 AM miss0r: gloops: Yeah, no thanks
07:26 AM sensille: or some high HF voltage?
07:26 AM _unreal_: bsszzzzzzzz
07:26 AM HexaCube: hmpf, mounting ballscrews seems to weird
07:26 AM _unreal_: HexaCube, ?
07:27 AM HexaCube: the bearing mounts have to be the right distance apart for the ballscrew it seems, so i gotta make my machine just as wide
07:27 AM HexaCube: (hard to explain what I mean)
07:27 AM _unreal_: no I get it
07:27 AM gloops: did you get machined ends on the screws?
07:28 AM HexaCube: and I read that they're hardened so I can't machine them, either?
07:28 AM HexaCube: gloops: that was the plan
07:28 AM gloops: (they will cut and machine them for very little, if you have a specific size you need)
07:28 AM HexaCube: who is they? D:
07:28 AM HexaCube: or can I still cut them on a lathe despite them being hardened?
07:28 AM HexaCube: s/cut/machine
07:28 AM _unreal_: youy can cut them on a lathe
07:29 AM _unreal_: just be carful chucking them
07:29 AM gloops: the supplier - cncmotorshop charged me about £8 a screw for machining, which i though was good
07:29 AM HexaCube: ohhhh, well that make sit much easier, I can most likely do it on my own
07:29 AM HexaCube: I thought you'd have to, idk, grind them and whatnot if they're hardened
07:30 AM _unreal_: LOL my daughter just opened her bed room door to wisper she got first place on what ever game she's playing
07:30 AM gloops: i couldnt do them because they were too long - also for £8 hardly seems worth messing about
07:30 AM HexaCube: gloops: well, I'd rather save me 24 GBP ;P
07:31 AM HexaCube: I can do it at work anyways
07:31 AM HexaCube: don#t even have to spend my free time :D
07:31 AM _unreal_: HexaCube, as long as you have good bits you should be find, the hardening on a lot of those rods is NOT deep
07:31 AM HexaCube: _unreal_: hmmm, we should have good inserts, yeah.
07:31 AM HexaCube: made in germany stuff, that should be up to the task
07:31 AM gloops: also, £24 will feed the 3 chinese boys who did the machining for 9 months
07:33 AM HexaCube: £24 will feed me, too ;P
07:33 AM HexaCube: I'm not earning thaaat much yet, gotta save where i can hehe
07:36 AM gloops: why not, if you have the equipment
07:37 AM gloops: im going to use acme screws on my lathe build anyway
07:37 AM gloops: well, got a ballscrew for the z but the others will be leadscrews
07:45 AM HexaCube: Interesting, building a lathe sounds really cool, too
07:47 AM gloops: leadscrews will be ok for this, with anti-backlash nuts, not high speed or anything
07:47 AM gloops: it is only a wood lathe of sorts
07:47 AM HexaCube: well, manual lathes use leadscrews too afaik?
07:48 AM gloops: yeah, you can use leadscrews for a cnc metal lathe for most applications - not bi-directional motion
07:49 AM gloops: or you can if the g-code is appropriate anyway
08:10 AM gloops: this is the best design i can see, obviously mine will be made from scrap box section and so on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhyjQ2a_zoc
08:12 AM fragalot: miss0r: the call ended with 'how would you rate the quality of this call?' but I can't answer because the keybd popped up and won't go away
08:12 AM miss0r: lol
08:12 AM fragalot: :D
08:16 AM miss0r: Alright. I need to get back in the house. :] See you around
08:16 AM fragalot: ttyl
08:23 AM _unreal_: OMG....
08:23 AM _unreal_: I just found them
08:23 AM _unreal_: been sitting next to me the entire time...
08:23 AM _unreal_: I had purchased some JST connectors
08:24 AM _unreal_: been looking for them for a few days now. adn they were ON top in the bin right next to my desk
08:29 AM HexaCube: can someone tell me how this would be called in english? https://www.ortlieb.net/fileadmin/ortlieb/produkte/werkstueckspannung/QUADRO_Druckspannfutter_Reduzierteile.jpg
08:30 AM syy__: ortlieb collet chuck
08:30 AM syy__: if you give a link to the actuall description i might helpout
08:31 AM * HexaCube smacks head
08:31 AM HexaCube: https://www.ortlieb.net/en/1/workpiece-clamping/quadro-dead-length-collet-chucks/
08:31 AM HexaCube: they have an english page too hehe
08:31 AM syy__: haha
08:31 AM syy__: ok :D
08:31 AM fragalot: o axial movement of workpieces due to clamping by pressure
08:31 AM fragalot: ha
08:32 AM fragalot: I wish I had thought abt using pressure to hold something
08:33 AM HexaCube: they're really cool, I'm told you can rechuck the part and it'll still run round
08:33 AM fragalot: mostly
08:33 AM syy__: have a seat when you look at the price of a single collet
08:33 AM syy__: ;)
08:33 AM HexaCube: syy__: well we have about... 30 or so at work :P
08:33 AM syy__: haha good :D
08:34 AM HexaCube: even more i think
08:34 AM HexaCube: 8-40mm in 0.5mm steps
08:34 AM syy__: we had them on one lathe in the apprentice shop
08:34 AM HexaCube: right, same here
08:34 AM syy__: all others are 5C
08:35 AM HexaCube: oh interesting
08:35 AM syy__: (i prefer the 5c style myself for general work)
08:35 AM HexaCube: the other two we have have this uhh... 3 jaw chuck (?)
08:47 AM _unreal_: and with that I'm done soldering jumpers
08:48 AM _unreal_: I decided to populate all of the jumpers on both the proto board and the tinker board. even though I prob wont use them :) just nice to have
09:03 AM gloops: ive still got one linkage to make for a sliding thingy, oughta do it now, see how i feel after this tea and cig
09:44 AM jthornton: so much for shoveling dirt just too dang hot outside with no breeze...
09:57 AM skunkworks: https://youtu.be/4Y7tw03ZD9o
10:15 AM gloops: skunkworks was it you in diycnc who was making the spindles from RC motors?
10:21 AM skunkworks: gloops: no...
10:22 AM gloops: ahh ok
10:22 AM jthornton: nice, I've somehow bricked my Linux Mint farting around with virtualenv or something lol
10:22 AM skunkworks: someone else with a big machine?
10:24 AM skunkworks: jthornton: I have been on a long quest to find a laptop that i can pass the integrated video to a virtual machine... so close
10:24 AM jthornton: pass what integrated video?
10:25 AM jthornton: brb I think I spotted the problem in .profile
10:29 AM skunkworks: some laptops have say intel + nvidia. i want to pass the nvidia to a vm
10:29 AM jthornton: ah I see
10:35 AM jthornton: bash doesn't like a \n in the if fi lol and you can't even boot up
10:56 AM MacGalempsy: hello?
10:57 AM MacGalempsy: =)
11:30 AM MacGalempsy: Bueller, Bueller...
11:35 AM MacGalempsy: XXCoder: you around?
11:38 AM jthornton: he's sleeping I'd imagine
11:41 AM MacGalempsy: hey JT
11:41 AM jthornton: hey mac what's been up
11:42 AM MacGalempsy: too much. been trying to get in trouble, but no time.
11:43 AM MacGalempsy: moved back to OKC and the wife sold the CNC with the house =(
11:43 AM jthornton: still doing the oil field work?
11:44 AM MacGalempsy: yes. onsite right now. about to open a new office in OKC
11:45 AM MacGalempsy: how is entrepreneurship?
11:45 AM jthornton: was pretty busy over the winter but it's a bit slow right now so back to making Spyder stuff for a bit
11:46 AM jthornton: I have one project that should start up in a month or two
11:46 AM MacGalempsy: new mitch market developing for the Mahindra Roxor
11:46 AM jthornton: always busy doing something even if it does not make money
11:46 AM MacGalempsy: mitch = nitch
11:47 AM jthornton: for off road accessories?
11:47 AM MacGalempsy: conversion kits to make them street legal.
11:48 AM SpeedEvil: Is there such a thing as half-nuts for M8 (or whatever) threaded rod? Not for CNC stuff,but for rapid adjustment - and where would I buy sucha thing?
11:48 AM MacGalempsy: seen a little about them. if the old cruiser wasn't getting a restoration, one would be sitting in the driveway
11:49 AM fragalot: anyone know what you'd call this style of oiler in english? https://www.leijenaar.nl/nl/dubbelwerkende-oliespuit
11:51 AM MacGalempsy: maybe the cnc sale was a good thing. although I feel bad for the guy who bought it
11:51 AM jthornton: fragalot: I had one once hmmm maybe a push oiler
11:52 AM fragalot: wondering if they're any good compared to your 'standard' plunger oil gun
11:54 AM jthornton: I think that the spring puts automatic pressure on the ball so it leaks less when you oil that type of fitting
11:55 AM fragalot: I mainly want something a little more compact than your average grease gun to oil the vertical head
11:56 AM fragalot: something you just grab, hit once or twice, and go type of deal
12:02 PM Tom_L: fragalot, what about something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Astro-101-Grease-Needle-Nozzle/dp/B000FMK7FG
12:02 PM Tom_L: i use that quite a bit
12:03 PM fragalot: can I fit a zirk fitting adapter on there?
12:03 PM Tom_L: it fits in the ball and will work
12:03 PM fragalot: (and does it work with oil?)
12:07 PM Tom_L: i use grease oil would leak out
12:07 PM fragalot: shame, I need it for oil
12:07 PM Tom_L: the needle will fit in the ball socket of a zirk
12:07 PM fragalot: alright, that will work
12:07 PM fragalot: thanks
12:07 PM fragalot: (except it still leaks :-))
12:07 PM fragalot: or did you mean the fitting, not the actual gun?
12:07 PM Tom_L: i keep it in the top of one of the tool boxes and it hasn't made a mess in years
12:07 PM Tom_L: huh?
12:07 PM fragalot: 19:03 < Tom_L> i use grease oil would leak out
12:07 PM Tom_L: the needle will fit in the ball seat of a zerk and you can grease it like a normal gun
12:07 PM fragalot: alright
12:07 PM fragalot: cheap enough to give it a whirl anyway
12:07 PM Tom_L: it's meant for grease not oil
12:07 PM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/Astro-101-Grease-Needle-Nozzle/dp/B000FMK7FG
12:07 PM Tom_L: damn cut n paste...
12:07 PM Tom_L: https://www.bikeparts.com/BPC104723/general-tools-precision-oiler-pen-aluminum
12:07 PM fragalot: I have a few of those
12:07 PM fragalot: they suck
12:07 PM Tom_L: ok
12:08 PM fragalot: if the oil is too thick, it doesn't come out
12:08 PM fragalot: if it's too thin, it leaks out
12:08 PM Tom_L: i just use the regular pump oilers
12:08 PM fragalot: I haven't really found a pump oiler that doesn't suck
12:08 PM fragalot: currently using the "SPEZIAL" from pressol which sucks.. less.
12:08 PM Tom_L: https://oldsingersewingmachineblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/2011-11-20_2301.jpg
12:08 PM Tom_L: i also use some of the 2nd from the left there
12:09 PM Tom_L: kinda hit n miss if they leak
12:09 PM fragalot: so just the standard squeeze bottle style?
12:09 PM Tom_L: yeah
12:09 PM fragalot: Hm.
12:12 PM Tom_L: i keep one by the drill press for drill etc and one with vactra 2 for the vise surfaces and such
12:12 PM fragalot: i've only ever used those for degreasing & cutting oil
12:13 PM Tom_L: they're cheap enough i keep a few around for various things
12:13 PM fragalot: yea
12:14 PM fragalot: >.> I found an oil rated version of the thing I asked about earlier but they want €40 in shipping
12:15 PM fragalot: http://shop.nozemoil.nl/de-nozem-oliespuit <=== this thing is actually kinda ocol
12:15 PM Tom_L: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Foldsingersewingmachineblog.files.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F11%2F2011-11-20_215.jpg%3Fw%3D652&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Foldsingersewingmachineblog.com%2Ftag%2Fsewing-machine-oil%2F&docid=s16IHzhPq1SpWM&tbnid=vW30PFsxkFCDMM%3A&vet=12ahUKEwiO1-zZ6JzdAhUC7qwKHSiVBbY4yAEQMygMMAx6BAgBEA0..i&w=575&h=383&client=firefox-b&bih=765&biw=1114&q=small%20oiler&ved=2ahUKEwiO1-zZ6JzdAhUC7qwKHSiVBbY4yAEQMygMMAx6BAgBEA0&ia
12:15 PM fragalot: fits straight onto the bottle :P
12:15 PM Tom_L: woah
12:15 PM Tom_L: used to have one like the left one there
12:16 PM fragalot: same, never used it
12:16 PM fragalot: I also have one that's similar to a genie's bottle
12:16 PM fragalot: neither is suitable for anything but straight down oiling though
12:17 PM Tom_L: http://www.abmtools.com/wp-content/uploads/spring-lid-small-oilers.jpg
12:17 PM Tom_L: mostly for those
12:17 PM fragalot: yeah
12:25 PM miss0r: fragalot: How do you feel about me using GLS to send the tapping head to you?
12:26 PM miss0r: Also, I was being nice to you. I only used 16 screws for the lid. And only 4 of then has been rounded off :)
12:27 PM Tom_L: fill the rest with epoxy
12:29 PM miss0r: hehe. Don't give me any ideas :)
12:30 PM fragalot: miss0r: any shipper is fine as long as it's not schenker.
12:31 PM miss0r: schenker it is :P
12:31 PM * miss0r has also had a bad experience with'em.
12:31 PM miss0r: So, you are safe there )
12:31 PM miss0r: ;)*
12:31 PM fragalot: :-)
12:31 PM fragalot: wood screw wise: easy enough to pop onto the table saw & cut a square in the lid :P
12:32 PM miss0r: The chinesium angle block set I ordered from a UK warehouse was lost apparently in transit.. it was sent as a letter with no tracking.. :-/ but yesterday he shipped me a new one on express, it will be here monday before 18:00
12:32 PM fragalot: ._.
12:32 PM fragalot: as a letter?
12:33 PM fragalot: there is no way it fits the 'letter' description, my sets' HUGE
12:33 PM miss0r: "little did fragalot know that miss0r had added old carbide endmills into bores in the wooden frame"
12:33 PM fragalot: and also incorrectly sorted
12:33 PM fragalot: as I found out today
12:33 PM miss0r: :]
12:33 PM fragalot: the 30° was labeled 25° too
12:33 PM fragalot: :D
12:33 PM miss0r: On the steel as well?
12:34 PM fragalot: on that particular one, yes
12:34 PM fragalot: the angle itself is fine though
12:34 PM miss0r: well.. if it says 25 and is 30, one could argue the angle is not fine
12:35 PM fragalot: I bought it as a set of angles, nowhere was it agreed upon that they be marked correctly
12:35 PM fragalot: :P
12:35 PM miss0r: Speaking of steel engraving.. Does any of the chinesium laser "cutters" engrave on steel?
12:35 PM fragalot: the 100W might if you spray it with the right coating first
12:36 PM miss0r: bah
12:40 PM miss0r: Thats it for tonight.
12:40 PM miss0r: Fragalot: I Think I will be able to ship it out tomorrow.
12:40 PM miss0r: See you around
12:40 PM fragalot: miss0r: :D
12:40 PM fragalot: cya!
01:13 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest75
01:40 PM Loetmichel: re at home. MAAAN driving german autobahns is tedious lately... took 90min to cross 6km (4miles) of traffic congestion in a road construction site ... and thats on a sunday evening where most Semis are not allowed to drive :-(
01:46 PM flyback: Tom_L,
01:46 PM flyback: do you still have the web page with the mediatek flash programmer
01:46 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/mtkflash/flash_howto_index.php
01:50 PM Tom_L: Loetmichel i thought there wasn't a limit on the autobahn :)
01:51 PM Tom_L: our whole city has been a construction zone lately. it gets old quick
01:51 PM Loetmichel: Tom_L: there isnt (always)... about 50% of the highway net in germany is unlimited
01:52 PM Loetmichel: road construction is usually limoted to 80kmh though
01:52 PM Tom_L: do you get in trouble if you don't stay to the right?
01:52 PM BitEvil: That's quite fast to construct a road at, to be fair.
01:52 PM Loetmichel: also i drove maybe 10kmh for those 6km because of the traffic jam
01:52 PM Tom_L: gives you time to enjoy the scenery
01:52 PM Loetmichel: BitEvil: haha
01:55 PM Loetmichel: at least i didnt burned fuel thru that... thanks to wifeys car being a merc GLC with hybrid drive the ICE stayed of the while road conbtruction zone... it only awakened afterwards when i put the pedal to the metal until the tachometer showed 240kmh ;)
01:55 PM Loetmichel: +f
01:56 PM _unreal_: flyback, got most if not all of my parts for the sla702X kits. resistors, pots, caps etc..
01:56 PM _unreal_: waiting for my pic rogrammer so I can programe my 12c502's with the turbocnc code that makes them phase controllers taking step/dir and putting out phase. whole or half stepping
01:57 PM flyback: thx
01:57 PM flyback: _unreal_, you know a stm32 even f0 has up to 36 55v tollerant i/o lines
01:57 PM _unreal_: have not had time to dbl check everything been stuck helping my father on his @#$@# house non stop so tired of it.
01:57 PM flyback: that's 4MB of parallel flash without any external logic
01:57 PM _unreal_: ?
01:58 PM flyback: if you move up to stmf3 or better you can have a usb bus to slave to a pc
01:58 PM flyback: for programming
01:58 PM flyback: for programming roms
01:58 PM _unreal_: I have an stm32f4 discovery
01:58 PM flyback: yeah me too that would work
01:58 PM flyback: kinda a waste for a f4 but yeah
01:58 PM _unreal_: I've never even used the thing
01:58 PM _unreal_: I really dont know coding
01:59 PM _unreal_: I can kind of read it but I've never had the chance to learn.
01:59 PM _unreal_: When I did have the chance I had ZERO desire
02:00 PM _unreal_: So annoying the fucker that produces the rpi cnc hat.... has his forum so locked down its pathetic..... https://forum.protoneer.co.nz/viewforum.php?f=22
02:01 PM _unreal_: the forum is more or less usless
02:01 PM _unreal_: useless
02:06 PM Rab: flyback, key phrase being "up to". E.g. STM32F303CCT6 has three UARTS, but only one is 5V tolerant. It pays to check your I/O.
02:09 PM flyback: WELL i SAID the i/o lines not specialized bus psins
02:09 PM flyback: and you always need to check the datasheet for each model
02:10 PM Rab: The specialized functions are combined with I/O lines, so the qualification still applies. Any given I/O pin might or might not be 5V tolerant.
02:14 PM CaptHindsight: _unreal_: what is locked down about it?
02:17 PM flyback: shift regs with a storage reg are awesome
02:17 PM _unreal_: CaptHindsight, you cant post
02:17 PM _unreal_: you cant MSG
02:17 PM _unreal_: and you cant reply to posts
02:17 PM _unreal_: there for its useless
02:18 PM _unreal_: CaptHindsight, in other words the only post's that get posted are one's that are ok'ed by the moderator...
02:19 PM _unreal_: There for that is a STUPID system. especially when the mod. thinks everyone should know what he/she knows there for its not "worth" posting something...
02:19 PM _unreal_: thats stupid
02:21 PM roycroft: you may not be able to post openly but you can always move on :)
02:32 PM _unreal_: bugging me because there are a bunch of IO's on that board and NO one knows how to to use them or what they are for
02:50 PM fragalot: christ I can't believe there are still websites that email you your password in plaintext when you sign up >.<
02:53 PM _unreal_: ?
02:54 PM _unreal_: so I'm trying to decide what kind of an unbilical cable I'm going to use between the main display/head unit and the controller box... I'm thinking printer cable
02:54 PM _unreal_: should be enough I/Os and power
02:54 PM fragalot: _unreal_: when you create an account on a website
02:55 PM _unreal_: :)
02:55 PM fragalot: back in the 1990's it was popular practise to email you your password in plaintext format so you wouldn't forget
02:55 PM fragalot: thankfully, since then, a lot of webdevelopers have concluded that both that, and storing it in plaintext is bad.
02:55 PM fragalot: sadly, not everyone appears to have gotten that memo
02:57 PM _unreal_: @#$@# more thounder
02:57 PM _unreal_: so tired of rain
02:58 PM gloops: ive just had a strange fishing experience
02:58 PM MarcelineVQ: _unreal_: send it this way
02:58 PM fragalot: gloops: was it one where you actually caught a fish rather than a shoe?
02:59 PM gloops: went for last couple of hours at local lake - 1 hour fine, lovely evening, then this wierdo came and sat 3 feet away from me and started fishing lol - empty lake
02:59 PM fragalot: you must 've nicked "his spot"
02:59 PM MarcelineVQ: that's the worst, like anyone goes fishing to hang out with people, you bring people along if you want to do that
03:00 PM gloops: fragalot lol, well maybe, i dont think so though, he was really odd
03:00 PM gloops: MarcelineVQ i wouldnt mine anyone coming to fish near me - but a total stranger, he never spoke or anything just stopped and plonked himself right there
03:00 PM gloops: mind
03:01 PM gloops: anyway im still alive so alls well
03:01 PM fragalot: gloops: i've made the first part on the schaublin today
03:01 PM gloops: fragalot which part was it?
03:01 PM fragalot: https://photos.app.goo.gl/LJNbekXVbE2kUcyD7
03:01 PM gloops: and congrats on getting the schaublin up and running so quick
03:01 PM fragalot: new endstop catch thingy for the power feed on X
03:01 PM fragalot: the left one was missing
03:02 PM gloops: that looks good - very pro job
03:02 PM fragalot: simply copied the one on the right
03:03 PM gloops: i think that probably looks better than the original did when it was new
03:03 PM fragalot: except for the cam lock part, as I don't intend to move it
03:04 PM gloops: well, bodes well for the new build if the schaublin can do neat work like that
03:04 PM fragalot: indeed
03:04 PM fragalot: just ordered the DRO for it
03:05 PM gloops: excellent, things are finally moving again
03:08 PM _unreal_: Arg.... trying to find a good enclosure box for the electronics
03:10 PM gloops: unreal are you looking for a hacky kind of box or a purpose designed one?
03:12 PM _unreal_: I need to mount my 2 PSU'S both 36v supples, the 4 motor controllers and my solid state relays
03:12 PM fragalot: I just got a Rittal cabinet
03:12 PM fragalot: AE series
03:12 PM syy__: nice, fragalot :D
03:13 PM gloops: i used a stainless steel bathroom cabinet lol
03:13 PM _unreal_: I've seen a number of nice boxes at work in the dumpsters but never bothered to grab one.
03:13 PM _unreal_: now I wish I had
03:13 PM gloops: stainless steel is not a good material for a box, pain in the ass to drill
03:13 PM MarcelineVQ: I got a chunk of plywood and a wide open non-flammable space <_<
03:13 PM _unreal_: I'm just trying to gather all my parts
03:13 PM fragalot: _unreal_: https://photos.app.goo.gl/gncbp8hYDvVmZhKs5
03:14 PM _unreal_: I have to build an enclosure :( I'm going to have thi smachine at work. and there is a lot of FRP dust.... fiberglass, gelcoat, awlgrip etc..
03:14 PM _unreal_: I'll have to filter the air as well :/
03:14 PM _unreal_: @#$@# raining again
03:16 PM fragalot: syy__: what size tapmatic did you have again?
03:16 PM syy__: i think its the smallest
03:16 PM syy__: 30?
03:16 PM syy__: M1,7-M7
03:16 PM fragalot: hm. I just got the 50x but it's missing the nut
03:17 PM gloops: MarcelineVQ im going to use plywood next time
03:17 PM gloops: i had no trouble when stuff was mounted on a wooden board - put it in a metal box - nightmare
03:17 PM fragalot: gloops: because you forgot to connect the ground properly
03:17 PM fragalot: and you probably accidentally had it connected via some alternate route by accident before
03:17 PM gloops: fragalot only someone in the know would think of grounding the bob like that
03:18 PM gloops: i am not in the know
03:18 PM fragalot: I'm just saying that your problem would have been the same either way
03:18 PM fragalot: there had to have been a ground path in the old setup that you don't remember
03:18 PM fragalot: otherwise it could have physically never worked
03:19 PM gloops: well youre probably right, im not seeing how, but the ground worked
03:19 PM fragalot: it's because elctrical signals all need a reference point in the circuit
03:19 PM gloops: 2 months of noise hell, and a 3 inch piece of wire cures it in a stroke
03:19 PM fragalot: a 5V signal is only 5V if it has a GND to go to
03:19 PM syy__: yes, 30 tc/td
03:19 PM syy__: https://youtu.be/hZMG8NvNxoY
03:20 PM syy__: sometimes i wish i had the 50 in addition
03:20 PM gloops: the usb supplies 5v to the bob, one assumes it also supplies the 5v ground
03:20 PM fragalot: syy__: how complex is the nut? doable to DIY it, or should I start scouring ebay for one
03:20 PM syy__: the collet nut?
03:20 PM fragalot: yeah
03:21 PM syy__: its nuts
03:21 PM syy__: (sorry)
03:21 PM fragalot: :D
03:21 PM syy__: its built like an ER-nut
03:21 PM syy__: with an excentric ring where the collet snaps in
03:21 PM fragalot: including the excentric ring?
03:21 PM fragalot: hm.
03:21 PM syy__: i think its excentric
03:21 PM syy__: but the collet clips in, yes
03:21 PM * fragalot will need to either obtain a new nut or a proper drawing then
03:22 PM syy__: do you have the rubberflex collets?
03:22 PM fragalot: not yet
03:22 PM fragalot: those seem to be easy enough to find
03:23 PM fragalot: I could simply try emailing tapmatic & see if they'll sell just the nut
03:24 PM _unreal_: I "have" a box I could use but I really dont want to
03:28 PM fragalot: I'm off -- cya
03:29 PM _unreal_: I have a case I could use that has these connectors on it an-3102a-18-ss but I cant find them on line
03:29 PM gloops: unreal, as someone who is not savvy at all with the electronics side of this, i found a metal box presented problems id never thought of
03:29 PM _unreal_: I'm trying to find the male connector
03:49 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
03:49 PM Rab: _unreal_, got a good high-res pic of that connector?
03:57 PM pink_vampire: syy__: the tapomatic is nice, but i want to finish my servo spindle
03:57 PM syy__: :)
04:02 PM JT-Shop: anyone need a tapmatic?
04:02 PM pink_vampire: you have one extra?
04:03 PM JT-Shop: yea
04:04 PM HexaCube: what's a tapmatic
04:04 PM HexaCube: apparently a really expensive tool
04:04 PM gloops: you can afford it Hexacube
04:04 PM Rab: _unreal_, if they're 3-pin, I suggest that SS is actually 5S, and that Amphenol 3102A-18-5S is the same thing. Which would make 3106A-18-5P a compatible plug. As you can see, they're kind of expensive new: https://octopart.com/search?q=3106A185P
04:05 PM HexaCube: gloops: I'm happy if I can afford gas to get to work tomorrow :P
04:05 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=80
04:06 PM Rab: _unreal_, here's the cheapest used source I could find: https://www.ebay.com/itm/272844444435
04:06 PM Deejay: gn8
04:06 PM JT-Shop: pink_vampire: I'll sell it for $400
04:07 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: set of mics nice!
04:07 PM JT-Shop: cheap too
04:07 PM XXCoder: what company is it
04:07 PM JT-Shop: china
04:07 PM JT-Shop: let me see
04:08 PM pink_vampire: JT-Shop: my kidney don't worth that mach
04:09 PM Tecan: came up with this today http://netpipe.ca/?page_id=1358 Game towns for the poor
04:09 PM JT-Shop: XXCoder: yea it just says made in china
04:09 PM XXCoder: lol ok
04:09 PM JT-Shop: I got it from MSC
04:09 PM XXCoder: so its quality chineseium not regular chineseium
04:10 PM JT-Shop: lol yea
04:10 PM XXCoder: unfortunately bec I very rarely need larger than inch
04:13 PM XXCoder: pretty amazing https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lyiLGV_u--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/wwoeh7f4atzys8nva6nc.jpg
04:13 PM XXCoder: timing of this is nearly impossible
04:14 PM _unreal_: hi sorry was working on the box I'm thinkng about using
04:14 PM _unreal_: rab they are 8pin
04:15 PM _unreal_: 7 around and a center
04:15 PM _unreal_: I dont think I'm going to use them... it would be nice but I'd be suprised if I could get the connectors for less then $20 each
04:15 PM _unreal_: dont really feel like spending that much money
04:16 PM _unreal_: hay look at that its a STRIKE of RAINBOW
04:16 PM Rab: _unreal_, interesting.
04:17 PM XXCoder: _unreal_: its more than that, look closer at break near top
04:17 PM _unreal_: ?
04:18 PM _unreal_: ya I got nothing
04:18 PM XXCoder: theres a plane there being hit with lighting
04:20 PM Rab: _unreal_, sounds like it could be 3102A-18-8S. And yeah, not cheap.
04:31 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180902_162643.jpg
04:31 PM skunkworks: some assembly reqired
04:32 PM skunkworks: required
04:35 PM _unreal_: sweet found the cbales I need
04:35 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0732Z4GRJ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1_1_1?smid=A3TUR5JBYCEPNE&psc=1
04:35 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077M5KF46/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1_1_2?smid=A2MSZD6Q35BAZ1&psc=1
04:36 PM methods_: some hot machine on machine action
04:36 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C4RD344/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1_1_3?smid=A2MSZD6Q35BAZ1&psc=1
04:39 PM XXCoder: nice
04:45 PM _unreal_: parts ordered
04:45 PM _unreal_: Now with those cables I can use the case I was looking at using
04:46 PM _unreal_: so far as I can tell :/
04:46 PM _unreal_: I'll know for sure when they arrive
04:46 PM _unreal_: I'm 90% sure I'll have the clearence
04:46 PM _unreal_: I have a nice little marine grade BOX
04:46 PM _unreal_: that the display will fill 98% of the face
04:47 PM _unreal_: But it will be nice because I'll have a very rugged box
04:47 PM _unreal_: I'm going to put "grab" handles on ether side that will also be stand offs to protect the display
04:48 PM _unreal_: should someone do something stupid
04:49 PM _unreal_: meaning at work
05:49 PM * jthornton heads out to warm up the barbie
06:36 PM Tecan: http://www.netpipe.ca/zen/albums/stuff3/Screenshot-at-2018-09-02-17-31-01.png could make cement pads like this with pex pipe for thermal storage for under a mobile home , the pipes are tight cables
06:41 PM SpeedEvil: What is the insulation?
06:42 PM SpeedEvil: Bag of gravel may work better.
06:44 PM Tecan: instant foundation
06:44 PM Tecan: no need to drill piles
07:18 PM pink_vampire: After WAYYY too much time.the VFD is mounted
07:19 PM pink_vampire: i took a pic
07:19 PM Tom_L: upside down?
07:20 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/0tSQdju.png
07:21 PM pink_vampire: the vfd cable go inside the head
07:21 PM Tom_L: you made a big mess
07:21 PM pink_vampire: the motor*
07:21 PM pink_vampire: pvc!!!!!!!!!!
07:21 PM pink_vampire: I love it
07:22 PM pink_vampire: it is not a 3d printer, it's a mill!!
07:22 PM Tom_L: you need lexan around the table to contain it
07:24 PM pink_vampire: all the "greenish" foam is the home of the machine
07:24 PM XXCoder: is vdf attached to head and moves up and down with spindle?
07:24 PM Tom_L: chips settle all over the tools though
07:24 PM pink_vampire: correct
07:25 PM XXCoder: hmm ok. whats you making though,
07:27 PM pink_vampire: Tom_L: there is air compressor, psss psss and all the chips are gone
07:27 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: what do you mean?
07:28 PM XXCoder: the pvc thingy
07:28 PM Tom_L: a mess :)
07:29 PM Tom_L: i've filled my table enclosure with chips a time or two though...
07:29 PM XXCoder: sure its a mess but I have seen worse lol
07:29 PM Tom_L: so have i
07:29 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: ya the curvey thing whats it for im curious lol
07:29 PM XXCoder: old fadal 88 half full with plastic chips lol
07:29 PM XXCoder: guess who had to dig em out
07:30 PM pink_vampire: the encloaser is 2 times the size that machine need, so it make a nice area to drill and make thing without make a mess all over the house
07:30 PM XXCoder: well fine more like 1/4 full but yeah lot of chips
07:33 PM XXCoder: indeed
07:33 PM XXCoder: makes setup easier without walls on way
07:35 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: "curvey thing" you mean to the mini keyboard?
07:41 PM Tom_L: pink, is that an ER20?
07:43 PM pink_vampire: ER11
07:43 PM Tom_L: 8mm max?
07:44 PM pink_vampire: 8?
07:44 PM pink_vampire: i think 1/4"
07:45 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: nah plastic being milled
07:45 PM pink_vampire: it's all just chips
07:45 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/GRBQAZV.png
07:45 PM pink_vampire: clean!
07:46 PM XXCoder: is red covers covering tools for machine?
07:46 PM pink_vampire: R8 collets
07:46 PM XXCoder: cool
07:52 PM pink_vampire: now I need to wait about a year and finish the servo spindle
07:53 PM Tom_L: did you make or buy the led strip?
07:53 PM gregcnc: why wait?
07:54 PM pink_vampire: Tom_L: just made it, it took me about 1 min to draw in solidworks, and about 1 min to cut it
07:54 PM pink_vampire: it is just 2 bus bars for + - and holes
07:56 PM XXCoder: thats awesome :)
07:57 PM XXCoder: i wanted to add led lights to under the spindle to my cnc router
07:57 PM pink_vampire: it is so easy to make them
07:58 PM pink_vampire: and I have thousands of leds here
08:01 PM XXCoder: :)
08:07 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/aQGZUAf.png
08:07 PM pink_vampire: how i made the led light
08:08 PM XXCoder: very strightforward. I was thinking maybe I could simply use already existant strips
08:08 PM XXCoder: there is led strips for car thats already 12v
08:08 PM pink_vampire: if you have the pcb material it is soo fast just make one
08:09 PM XXCoder: I suppose but im never been any good on electrics
08:09 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/scope/led_front.jpg
08:09 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/scope/led_harness_on.jpg
08:09 PM Tom_L: those are dimmable
08:09 PM Tom_L: made em for my scope but still haven't mounted em
08:10 PM pink_vampire: I just trying to use the stuff i have here
08:10 PM Tom_L: i had the leds and got the strips free
08:11 PM XXCoder: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1PCS-Waterproof-Car-Auto-Decorative-Flexible-LED-Strip-12V-30cm-15SMD-Car-LED-Daytime-Running-Light/32736509354.html
08:11 PM XXCoder: less than 2 bucks for one
08:12 PM pink_vampire: but you need 5 led per inch not 1
08:12 PM XXCoder: yeah but same time its great for surrounding light while more brighter for under spind;e
08:12 PM pink_vampire: but anyway the strip i made is going to be replaced by something much better
08:12 PM XXCoder: apparently this exists. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Carsty-LED-T10-W5W-194-168-Bulbs-5050-6-Smd-RGB-With-Remote-Controller-Flash-Strobe/32835040125.html
08:13 PM pink_vampire: where do you need to put the light?
08:14 PM pink_vampire: the led in the maglite solitaire is SUPER amazing
08:15 PM Tom_L: i just put a 4' led shop light above the mill
08:15 PM pink_vampire: and you can get it for less then 10$
08:15 PM pink_vampire: i want to put it on a flex arm
08:17 PM XXCoder: solid led apparently though probably not very bright. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2Pcs-White-Blue-Yellow-Red-Ultra-Bright-LED-Daytime-Running-lights-12V-17cm-Waterproof-Car-DRL/32736157479.html
08:21 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: where do you want to put them??
08:21 PM XXCoder: those, nothing really just checking 9out weird led stuff on aliexpress
08:22 PM pink_vampire: get the led bulb from walmart and it will be much easyer and cheap
08:22 PM XXCoder: never will buy from walmart
08:22 PM pink_vampire: with the back to school stuff a desk lamp is less then 5$
08:22 PM pink_vampire: why?????
08:23 PM XXCoder: they seriously maltreat workers
08:25 PM pink_vampire: i have 2 friends that work there and they say it's a nice place to work in
08:27 PM XXCoder: cool
09:10 PM jdh: they could look elsewhere
09:12 PM pink_vampire: jdh: ? what do you mean?
09:12 PM jdh: the seriously maltreated workers could look for employment elsewhere.
09:17 PM XXCoder: thats not very easy to do
09:18 PM XXCoder: in bunch of places its walmart or jobless
09:40 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/J8a0tVm.png
09:41 PM XXCoder: looks nice. doing that?
09:42 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: the cable...
09:42 PM Tom_L: woops
09:42 PM XXCoder: oops
09:42 PM XXCoder: lot of fun fixing that
09:43 PM pink_vampire: just chop the end of the cable
10:26 PM jym: pink_vampire: Just put a 8" pigtail then you cna use any extension cord
10:28 PM pink_vampire: it's not my stuff, just random pic from the internet
10:31 PM _unreal_: So my stepper motors are rated for 3 amps... thats 6 amps per motor when 2 steping
10:31 PM _unreal_: ouch
10:31 PM _unreal_: glad I got that second PSU
10:33 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:33 PM XXCoder: 3 steppers plus buffer
10:33 PM _unreal_: one psu is rated for 36v 10a the other 36v 11A
10:34 PM _unreal_: and yet the kit sold with ONE psu and 4 motors
10:34 PM XXCoder: geez!
10:35 PM jym: pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/uQiKnhz.jpg
10:36 PM Tom_L: tax dollars hard at work
10:43 PM MarcelineVQ: _unreal_: stepper motors don't run at stall amperage
10:44 PM _unreal_: ?
10:44 PM MarcelineVQ: Their rating isn't the load they'll be running under most of the time
10:45 PM _unreal_: ahh....
10:46 PM _unreal_: steppers are not like DC motors. they dont have dynamic current draw....
10:46 PM _unreal_: What are you talking about
10:47 PM _unreal_: a steppers current is based on its HEAT and power function curve...
10:47 PM _unreal_: What heat will it generate and how much force can it deliver...
10:48 PM XXCoder: _unreal_: steppers is at max power usage when its holding not moving
10:49 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, he's making it sound like the current draw changes on the motor between locked rotor and spinning
10:50 PM _unreal_: the saturation rate can change if the phases are changed fast enough... but a set current is a set current. what ever the motor controller is set to is what its going to feed the motor
10:50 PM Kevin`: ideally the current stays the same and the voltage increases when spinning faster
10:50 PM _unreal_: hence the heat curve doesnt change
10:53 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ehGlwSv9S4
10:53 PM _unreal_: so I'm trying to decide how I want to mount my motor controllers in the old cnc box I was going to use for something else but have decided to use it for this big project.
10:54 PM _unreal_: mainly because its heavy duty and has a handle
10:55 PM _unreal_: I'm thinking I'll mount the drivers on a plate so I can remove and hang them all easy
11:03 PM _unreal_: there yep I'm going to do it
11:03 PM _unreal_: I know what I'm going to do now
11:03 PM _unreal_: I know how I'm going to setup the box I have
11:03 PM _unreal_: It will look nice when I'm done.