#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 17 2018

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01:10 AM jesseg: Howdy
02:02 AM Deejay: moin
03:04 AM fragalot: hey
03:07 AM Deejay: yup
03:57 AM TurBoss: sup
04:20 AM Sabotend_ is now known as Sabotender
04:30 AM miss0r: hello
04:38 AM fragalot: hi
04:44 AM miss0r: Arent you supposed to work? :D
04:44 AM miss0r: I mean, my boss would kill me if he found out I was slacking while having lunch :D
04:44 AM fragalot: I am :) and I already found & solved that 4ns jitter issue I had yesterday :P
04:44 AM TurBoss: I do while working :P
04:45 AM fragalot: IRC is mainly used for rubbber ducking. Which is a valid programming methodology
04:47 AM TurBoss: https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/kamax.io/ZaWcQtvGQlSbLrpImQYslGpE
04:52 AM jthornton: morning
04:53 AM TurBoss: hello!
05:08 AM Tom_L: morning
05:30 AM XXCoder: yo
05:31 AM XXCoder: fragalot: is it anything like rubber hose decryption key recovery method?
05:31 AM fragalot: hehe
05:31 AM fragalot: bbl
07:41 AM {HD}: All right, who knows about manipulating STL files? I need to make this one bin deeper. Is there a push pull option or do I cut it and copy it and stack it?
07:47 AM fragalot: you might be able to use meshmixer to modify it
07:47 AM fragalot: don't have it installed here so can't see for myself
07:52 AM {HD}: Eww an autodesk app. I’d rather struggle and waste my time with some foss app then use Autodesk.
07:53 AM robotustra: if the stl file is text you can modify it manually
07:54 AM robotustra: as soon as you need to modify 1 coordinate only in a number of points
07:55 AM robotustra: if you know your part and know the depth of the bin, just open it in a your best text editor, find the right number, make sure it's the 3rd coordinate (z axis)
07:56 AM robotustra: and modify it
07:56 AM robotustra: and do it for a number of points
07:56 AM {HD}: robotustra: that is an intriguing idea. I think I’ll actually give it a shot.
07:56 AM {HD}: If I knew the current height in Z couldn’t I just find and replace everything with that height to my new height?
07:56 AM robotustra: yes you can
07:57 AM robotustra: but make sure you modify the right axis
07:57 AM {HD}: Since it’s just a straight walled bin essentially I’m not too concerned with how the triangles turn out.
07:57 AM robotustra: yes
07:58 AM robotustra: and triangles will be quite fine
07:58 AM robotustra: so you should not care much
09:00 AM * Loetmichel just tested CamBam instead of BoCNC... foirst part has 2000++ hexagonal 4mm holes for air flow... MAAAN is that faster to work with AND faster to mill... the mill is milling away and shuddering on its (a bit weak) table like it wants to fall apart... no wonder though when you do 4mm hexagonal helixes with 1200mm/min :-)
09:21 AM Loetmichel: https://youtu.be/m7eO5cu-fXg <- *wobble*
10:59 AM fragalot: 'sup
11:05 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: had a revelation today... that my used "postprocessor" is utterly crap.
11:05 AM Loetmichel: i use Cambam now... MUUUCH better
11:06 AM gregcnc: post or cam?
11:06 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: define...
11:06 AM Loetmichel: i use it to generate gcode from 2d DXF files
11:07 AM gregcnc: CAM generates the paths post translates to gcode
11:07 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: what did you use before?
11:07 AM Loetmichel: ist that cam or is that still postprocessor?
11:07 AM Loetmichel: BoCNC
11:07 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: CAM is what decides where the machine needs to go, post is what translates it to the correct gcodes for that particular machine
11:08 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: so its more like a cam. although its just moving the lines according to mill bit radius
11:09 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: typically the "post" part is part of the cam package :)
11:09 AM gregcnc: That is what cam does
11:09 AM fragalot: it's the part where you click "create gcode"
11:09 AM Loetmichel: yes
11:10 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: i mean its not like "take a .stl, take a block of aluminium of THAT size and now mill it on all sides until the stl appears in the metal"
11:10 AM gregcnc: 2D CAM
11:11 AM Loetmichel: its just mill bit radius correction and a bit of repeat in depth to not overload the mill bit
11:11 AM Loetmichel: yes, 2,5d cam, that fits ;)
11:11 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: still CAM :D
11:11 AM gregcnc: sure, but it's not a post processor
11:11 AM Loetmichel: part of it is ;)
11:11 AM fragalot: gregcnc: these days they're the same tool
11:12 AM gregcnc: callit whatever you like if you want ot be vague or incorrect
11:12 AM Loetmichel: i already agreed with you that its more cam
11:12 AM gregcnc: im out
11:12 AM Loetmichel: and that the PP is integrated
11:13 AM fragalot: :P
11:13 AM Loetmichel: maan, butthurt SO fast? how did you survive all those years on the internet?
11:13 AM fragalot: technically (in)correct, the best kind of (in)correct
11:13 AM gregcnc: i just have other shit to do
11:14 AM gregcnc: because bad posts exist as well as shitty CAM
11:14 AM fragalot: like what you said just now
11:14 AM fragalot: that's a bad post. :)
11:15 AM Loetmichel: point was that the "cam" i used before (freeware tool written by some old german guy back 10 or more years and not supported since then) is a PITA
11:16 AM fragalot: what a surprise :D
11:16 AM Loetmichel: it cant solve the "traveling salesman problem" so it forces you to click on each vector in the dxf to determine in which order it should mill it... VERY annoying if you have 2000++ little hexagons to mill for an air vent...
11:16 AM fragalot: hahaa :D
11:17 AM gregcnc: would your employer have to shut the doors if he had to pay for software?
11:17 AM Loetmichel: sometimes i have that feeling, yes...
11:17 AM Loetmichel: at least he has the pained expression every time he has to pay something
11:18 AM Loetmichel: its not like cambam would be expensive... took me 3 hours this morning to learn to use it... less than i would have sat there clicking on the vectors ;)
11:18 AM fragalot: ask him if it's OK if it costs €200 once if it saves you an hour a day.
11:19 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: it only costs 108 eur ;)
11:19 AM fragalot: same question
11:21 AM Loetmichel: he (surprisingly) already ordered it. after seeing how fast it is compared to the freeware tool... but the 1000 times i mention that i need a bit of modern software for the machine it was all "NOPE; NO MONEY SPARE FOR THAT!!!!111" if you know what i mean,
11:21 AM gregcnc: pfft what could the employer do with 250hr/yr
11:22 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: i tried multiple times to talk sense into him with that argument... only now that i used the demo to show him he changed course...
11:22 AM gregcnc: good now take him to see a Datron
11:23 AM Loetmichel: i have to admit that i thought Cambam would be about a 1000, not a 100 eur
11:23 AM gregcnc: And also proper riveting and deburring tooling
11:23 AM Loetmichel: riveting? we have all the riveting tooling we need for the few rivets we use
11:31 AM fragalot: still - show him a datron :D
11:31 AM fragalot: 'look. same parts, 10% of the time'
11:40 AM Loetmichel: fragalot1: i dont think so. for one: we have no room for a datron
11:41 AM Loetmichel: for two: for that price tag we would rather place 20 cnc6040 in a rack on the wall and use them in parallel.
11:41 AM Loetmichel: still cheaper and a lot more output ;)
11:41 AM Loetmichel: but usually i only make prototypes. series is done by sheet metal companies
11:42 AM Loetmichel: lately more often than not in china :-(
11:56 AM fragalot: seems I got banned for having a bad internet connection, lol
11:56 AM fragalot: oh wait it's because my client used an unregistered nickname
12:00 PM fragalot: miss0r: chronos is having a sale on machine vises. :D
12:23 PM fragalot: what the hell is going on with my internet connection >.<
12:24 PM fragalot: when in doubt, reboot everything.
12:25 PM miss0r: fragalot. Nice! how did you know I was having a machine vise shortage here? :D
12:27 PM fragalot: miss0r: I just know things, y'know?
12:27 PM miss0r: apparently
12:30 PM miss0r: JT-Shop you around?
12:54 PM fragalot: miss0r: any news re those tapping heads? :P
01:09 PM miss0r: fragalot: Yep.
01:10 PM miss0r: I have them both in the back of my car
01:10 PM fragalot: they're no good there
01:10 PM miss0r: Got the two of them for 134eur
01:10 PM fragalot: ... do they work?
01:10 PM fragalot: :P
01:10 PM miss0r: I have only tested them in my hands, so I don't know :) but for that price it hardly matters :)
01:10 PM fragalot: I think it matters
01:11 PM fragalot: otherwise I have a lot of things that you could have for a low price
01:11 PM fragalot: :D
01:11 PM miss0r: not to me :) I'm going to put them up on one of those hunters ornemantal wooden showoff platters
01:11 PM fragalot: haha
01:11 PM miss0r: and hang it on the wall :P
01:11 PM miss0r: I have another operation to run on the cnc, then I will go get'em
01:31 PM fragalot: miss0r: you know that "pretty" DRO I found? turns out their website is awful and won't let me add things to the cart. lol
01:31 PM miss0r: well.. that pretty much makes up your mind, now don'it?
01:32 PM fragalot: yea.. I tried adding it by hand but it seems that it's their API that's broken
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: yallr soundin more and more like uhmericans every day!
01:37 PM miss0r: I'm not sure how to respond to that. Have our vocabulary degraded to a point we are indistinguishable from the 'uhmericans' ? :D
01:37 PM fragalot: uhm
01:37 PM miss0r: it ment to say 'where we' :/
01:37 PM fragalot: like a true american you fucked up completely :D
01:38 PM miss0r: yeah. I know.
01:38 PM miss0r: Did I mention; I hate filing?!
01:39 PM miss0r: I had plenty for a lifetime back in machine school(all tradesmen, even carpenters ect. have to go to that class before starting on the education that they actualy wanted to begin with)
01:39 PM fragalot: same, lol
01:39 PM CaptHindsight: don'it was likely a typo, but it brought me some joy
01:39 PM miss0r: they gave you a sawn rawstock. and you had to file it square & parallel to a specific size +/- 0.05mm
01:39 PM fragalot: "here's a rough sawn cube. now go square it up, here's your worn out file"
01:40 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: No typo actualy :)
01:40 PM miss0r: fragalot: Something like that. Well - Back then I had plenty to last me a lifetime. So doing filing now (not including deburring) just kills me
01:41 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: Basically I think I've been watching too much abom79 lately. That southern drawl is catchy :]
01:42 PM fragalot: ah-ha! that same DRO is available, from the same company, through amazon
01:43 PM miss0r: no wonder they don't want to bother keeping their own API afloat, when they probally only sell stuff through amazon.
01:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/A-eYpRIgCtk?t=14m45s this show was on for pert near 30 years
01:43 PM miss0r: well, at the moment that is a given :D
01:44 PM fragalot: miss0r: >.> "this seller does not deliver to belgium"
01:44 PM miss0r: >.<
01:44 PM miss0r: Try Denmark... I won't help you out or anything, I just want to laugh if they deliever here :D
01:45 PM fragalot: damnit all I want is a nice retro (reliable) 3-axis DRO with 0.001mm magnetic scales
01:45 PM fragalot: why 0.001 and not 0.005? because I hate myself. that's why. :D
01:45 PM fragalot: local guy sells 'm, but it's €500 per axis,... which I'm not OK with.
01:45 PM miss0r: that must be it
01:46 PM fragalot: (and that's for a 150mm travel)
01:46 PM miss0r: go contact that company I linked you to
01:46 PM fragalot: will do
01:46 PM miss0r: Thats the real stuff
01:46 PM Simonious: what is going on in Solidworks when it shows a single sketch that I am not currently editing? I've rebuilt.. closed and reloaded.. and yet this perplexing state remains, all of my operations still show in the tree and when I highlight them I can see they are still there, but the model is not showing..
01:46 PM SpeedEvil: fine-tipped pen, straight-edge, USB microscope.
01:46 PM miss0r: SpeedEvil: :D
01:46 PM miss0r: don't tempt him
01:47 PM Simonious: hmm, got it back.. highlighted one extrude and selected how
01:47 PM Simonious: *show
01:47 PM Simonious: I messed have keymashed something odd
01:47 PM miss0r: Simonious: I was going to suggest CRT burnin :P
01:47 PM Simonious: lol..
01:47 PM Simonious: that must be it!
01:48 PM miss0r: :]
01:49 PM Tom_L: lively bunch of crackpots here today
01:49 PM miss0r: DAMN IT ! This fridge as got to go or something! I just wanted a nice cold coke, but now I have to wait for it to thaw. Its solid
01:49 PM Tom_L: heat it up
01:49 PM Tom_L: put it in the microwave
01:49 PM miss0r: :D
01:49 PM miss0r: I think its a good thing for my personal safety that I do not keep a microwave in here
01:49 PM Tom_L: lemme know how that goes for ya
01:50 PM miss0r: ha! I have a din-rail mount thermostat rated for 16amps on the contacts. I will do some mods to that fridge :)
01:50 PM Tom_L: put some Ti shavings in there with it
01:51 PM miss0r: Yeah, I don't have that laying around. Only ever did two project with it
01:51 PM Tom_L: i've got a small sheet of some but i rarely ever use i
01:51 PM Tom_L: t
01:51 PM miss0r: but I *DO* have a 80mm long 40 PEEK rod on the shelf... Its my retirement fond right there
01:51 PM Tom_L: damn i need a new keyboard
01:54 PM fragalot: miss0r: that danish guy STILL hasn't replied, and i've sent that email at least 20 seconds ago
01:54 PM fragalot: damn lazy danes
01:55 PM Tom_L: 20 sec!!!
01:55 PM miss0r: knowing them, it would not surprise me they actualy answered now :D
01:55 PM * fragalot just got an email
01:55 PM Tom_L: and you expect a reply that quick??
01:55 PM fragalot: meh, spam from the gun club
01:55 PM miss0r: hehe :D
01:55 PM fragalot: one of those "FW: FWD: RE: FWD: FW:.."
01:55 PM Tom_L: and you were all excited
01:56 PM miss0r: fragalot: To quite a cartoon I like(family guy): "Your anguish sustains me"
01:56 PM fragalot: i'm not allowed to wtch that anymore.. wifey says no.
01:57 PM fragalot: apparently it is "so bad"
01:57 PM CaptHindsight: Seth MacFarlane show
01:58 PM miss0r: fragalot: Have you ever seen bricklebarry ? (if not, DO! but keep it secret from the wifey)
01:58 PM CaptHindsight: stream it at work :)
01:59 PM miss0r: its like the offspring of family guy being raped by south park.. and then said offspring started taking steroids and heroin
01:59 PM miss0r: something like that :P
01:59 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: You found amusing? :D
02:00 PM fragalot: miss0r: I haven't.. but she enjoys things like JoJo's bizarre Adventure..
02:00 PM fragalot: go figure
02:00 PM miss0r: fragalot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad9hEmqNVlY&list=PL4rX-5hrA7aXUydeSRHNkctnJmnae18n0
02:02 PM CaptHindsight: I often find that I have to use a southern drawl or voice from South Park to get the message across to locals
02:04 PM fragalot: haha
02:04 PM miss0r: fragalot: if you are not convinced yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tE8x1ZUiFM 2:22 minuts of top 10 stuff from season 3
02:06 PM fragalot: maybe some other time
02:07 PM miss0r: *You must see it all*
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: gross out humor
02:08 PM miss0r: I love it
02:08 PM miss0r: fragalot: You dropped the binkey bomb on me, This is me trying to return a favour
02:10 PM SpeedEvil: Also - yay - new ZeFrank.
02:10 PM fragalot: miss0r: 'snotworking :D
02:11 PM miss0r: >.< !
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: no it'snot
02:31 PM miss0r: That feeling of regret, when you mount the first workpeice in the mill, after you did a proper cleaning of it
02:32 PM XXCoder: would be nice if there was self cleaning mode
02:32 PM XXCoder: like oven
02:32 PM fragalot: miss0r: do you have T-slot covers yet?
02:33 PM * SpeedEvil tries to remember who did a nice 'here is how to make guards for your machine tool using neoprene covered kevlar' or something.
02:34 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjh63pll0VM ah
02:34 PM miss0r: bah... No covers here :D
02:36 PM fragalot: miss0r: make/get some. They are WorthIt (tm)
02:37 PM fragalot: in my case it was just wooden boards that were match-fit to the sides of the vise :P
02:37 PM XXCoder: lol surpising little can cover pretty good. one machine broke its ballscrew covers, and maintance guy just put wood "fence" at that end of table since we couldnt stop running the hot job
02:37 PM SpeedEvil: The above may be going too far. :)
02:37 PM SpeedEvil: But is awesome
02:38 PM XXCoder: but that little wood fence blocked over 90% of chips going there
02:38 PM miss0r: bah. I don't want to cover up all that shiny cast iron
02:38 PM XXCoder: once job was done machine was down for maintance
02:39 PM miss0r: I use the t-slots waay too much, even while the vise is in there
02:40 PM fragalot: miss0r: enjoy cleanup then
02:41 PM miss0r: Oh I will! (not)
02:42 PM miss0r: I will do it, but refuse to enjoy it
02:43 PM SpeedEvil: Pressure washer hooked to coolant.
02:43 PM fragalot: makes for a great through-spindle coolant setup, SpeedEvil
02:43 PM fragalot: assuming you have short cycles :P
02:43 PM SpeedEvil: :)
02:43 PM SpeedEvil: Add a booster to 60000PSI and you don't even need a tool.
02:44 PM fragalot: not sure I'd want to put that through the spindle, loll
02:47 PM XXCoder: mill/water jet cutter combo machine!
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: just put a bunch of pressure washer nozzles around the machine, blast at the end of each job
02:51 PM XXCoder: mill & wash cycle machine eh
02:51 PM XXCoder: how about adding spin dry mode also
02:52 PM fragalot: you can get fans to put in your toolchanger
02:52 PM fragalot: i've always wondered if those work at all
02:53 PM XXCoder: dunno though I also wonder if machine could do deburr also
02:53 PM XXCoder: using brillo on tool head or something
02:53 PM fragalot: of course it could
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/83961-2972367.jpg
02:54 PM XXCoder: lol
02:54 PM robotustra: {HD}, how is the result of STL modifying?
02:56 PM {HD}: I cheated and imported them into sketchup and then used the push-pull tool.
02:56 PM fragalot: I had no idea sketchup supported importing & modifying STL's
02:57 PM Simonious: fragalot: I use that feature quite a lot
02:57 PM fragalot: I remember trying to export to STL like 4 years ago & gave up in frustration and never looked back
02:57 PM Simonious: fragalot: openSCAD is also an option
02:58 PM Simonious: fragalot: I think solidworks can do it, but honestly if I'm going to do it in solidworks, I open it in sketchup, which is quite a lot easier to measure an STL in and then regenerate the whole thing in Solidworks..
02:58 PM Simonious: fragalot: I was exporting STLs 5 and 6 years ago with sketchup using add ons.
03:00 PM fragalot: Simonious: I'm an autodesk guy thanks to work
03:00 PM fragalot: seems to work for me
03:00 PM fragalot: i've used openscad for a while too, works well if you don't want to make anything organic
03:07 PM miss0r: "stupid program can't even whip up a fried egg"
03:18 PM Simonious: fragalot: closest I get to autodesk is Fusion360, which I use almost exclusively for CAM (and poorly at that), I need to improve my 'preamble' and 'postamble', or whatever you call those - all I need is it to lift BEFORE the initial rapid and I also want it to lift at the end of a cut - I'm hand setting Z and I want to be able to leave it at that height and hit go and NOT have it drag through the work.
03:18 PM robotustra: {HD}, anyway, task is completed
03:18 PM Simonious: fragalot: for organic shapes I've had success with MOI, however I've let those stills atrophie and die.
03:18 PM fragalot: Simonious: I've not had much luck with f360 personally
03:18 PM Simonious: *atrophy?
03:18 PM fragalot: coming from the inventor suite, it feels atrocious
03:18 PM Simonious: fragalot: yeah, limited here too.
03:19 PM fragalot: they took a good thing, and stripped away everything useful
03:19 PM Simonious: yeah well.. then they gave it away, so..
03:20 PM fragalot: There's just a few things I wish they kept
03:20 PM fragalot: one of which is the feature browser rather than that damn inline history thing they use now
03:21 PM Simonious: I never got into autocad, how do you like it?
03:22 PM fragalot: it's good, but christ is it expensive (just like any pro CAD package)
03:22 PM Simonious: yeah.. my seat for solidworks is the cheap seat.. I think it was over 1k and less than 2k.. haven't renewed since 2016, so..
03:23 PM fragalot: there seem to be 3 main camps in the CAD world.. autodesk, solidworks, or whatever FOSS project
03:23 PM fragalot: Simonious: good news, yuo can no longer get those
03:23 PM fragalot: subscription only from now on
03:23 PM Simonious: heh.. ugh
03:23 PM Simonious: what about ProE? or whatever, isn't that a thing?
03:23 PM fragalot: same story with autodesk, adobe, etc..
03:23 PM fragalot: proe?
03:23 PM * Simonious shrugs
03:24 PM XXCoder: pro-rated on E? :P
03:24 PM jdh: pro-e, catia, other pricey ones
03:30 PM fragalot: never heard of those, so no comment
03:30 PM fragalot: i'm in my own little bubble :P
03:30 PM Simonious: Hope you shower often.
03:31 PM XXCoder: bubble has rainse and spin dry mode?
03:32 PM fragalot: XXCoder: I just flip it inside out every now and again
03:32 PM XXCoder: lol
03:36 PM Roguish: lots of commercial CAD / Modelling programs.
03:37 PM XXCoder: 99.99999999% is windows only
03:37 PM Roguish: most all $$$$$ for small businesses.
03:37 PM Roguish: XXCoder: that's true.
03:37 PM Roguish: it's a corporate thing.
03:38 PM fragalot: 't is
03:39 PM Roguish: and worse, they're all most all going to 'subscription' payments. instead of getting bent over once, you get bent over monthly..... oh joy.
03:39 PM Simonious: Roguish: yeah.. the only reason my desktop is windows is for CAD
03:39 PM fragalot: Roguish: no you don't
03:39 PM fragalot: you can also bend over yearly
03:39 PM Simonious: Roguish: I do all my developing on a linux VM which is NOT hosted on my desktop.
03:39 PM fragalot: they give you options.
03:39 PM fragalot: :P
03:40 PM fragalot: my MAIN problem with subscription model software for CORPORATE use, is that if that company ever goes tits up.. your data is gone.
03:40 PM XXCoder: freecad cam is slowly developing
03:40 PM fragalot: you can no longer access your design files
03:40 PM Roguish: ooooooo. that feels good. please sir, can I have some more?
03:40 PM fragalot: need that design you made 10yrs ago because the customer ordered the exact same thing agian?
03:40 PM fragalot: tough.
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: where we pass the screwings on to you!
03:41 PM Simonious: open source isn't there yet, but just maybe they'll plug that hole in a satisfactory way at some point.
03:41 PM fragalot: heck, we're still usnig embedded compilers that were discontinued 17 years ago
03:41 PM Roguish: I hate 'the cloud' I want my data in my little hands.
03:41 PM Simonious: openSCAD is a viable solution, not as easy to use a the pay stuff, but powerful.
03:41 PM Deejay: gn8
03:42 PM fragalot: Simonious: it is not a viable alternative to a proper CAD package though
03:42 PM fragalot: it's good for 3D modelling, but that's it
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: they tried the "cloud" in the late 90's but the cable and internet providers did not cooperate
03:42 PM XXCoder: no CAM in openscad
03:43 PM Simonious: XXCoder: totally true.. and F360 isn't awesome, there is a freeCAM out there, I've tried it.. not great, but if you REALLY want to stay free, it can be done.
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: part of the problem is if you have to work with a large co that uses NX, Catia etc, then you need it as well
03:43 PM XXCoder: freecam isnt safe term to search at work
03:43 PM Roguish: if you think CAD is expensive, try pricing high end analysis programs. mega dollars.
03:43 PM fragalot: XXCoder: lol
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: Roguish: that only sort of works
03:44 PM XXCoder: Simonious: dude they need to change name.
03:44 PM XXCoder: I filtered out adult stuff and I get webcams and security cams
03:44 PM CaptHindsight: openSCAM ? :)
03:44 PM XXCoder: no freecam
03:44 PM XXCoder: tried to research it but cant find
03:44 PM fragalot: Roguish: yup. we pay mega dollars for our CFD analysis tools.. (no idea what they use, but ooh boy pricey)
03:45 PM CaptHindsight: Ansys ain't cheap either
03:45 PM Roguish: basic Solidworks is like 3k. add their top analysis and it's over 30k.
03:46 PM Roguish: same with Pro-E, now called Creo.
03:46 PM fragalot: Roguish: can you still get the perpetual licenses?
03:46 PM Roguish: yeah, then there
03:46 PM XXCoder: Simonious: wheres freecam site?
03:47 PM Simonious: XXCoder: err FREE CAD?
03:47 PM Roguish: fragalot: some still offer prepetual, but maybe not for much longer.
03:47 PM XXCoder: no wonder I couldnt find it lol
03:48 PM Roguish: fragalot: I just found a pretty good FEA multiphysics program called ELMER. open source too.
03:48 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.freecadweb.org/
03:48 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.cnccookbook.com/free-cnc-software/
03:48 PM Roguish: https://www.csc.fi/web/elmer
03:48 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: yes, I know where freecad site is. :P
03:48 PM Roguish: https://sourceforge.net/projects/elmerfem/
03:49 PM XXCoder: Roguish: https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/FEM_Module
03:50 PM Simonious: https://www.google.com/search?q=free+cam+package&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOOQiRJIK0pNVUhOzFUoSEzOTkxPPcXIpZ-rb5CSXmxZaHGKkQPEScquLIeKp2dXZqTFQzl5SYblFulQjpF5sUFSEpRjmW5pbgrjGFmYphtmn2LkBHHMs80sTaBs04Lk8goo28isPC39F6NgUmpxCdg9xflpJeWJRakA3gc4C6UAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjU7MKI-_TcAhUKIqwKHcuSCdcQzTooADATegQIBRAC&biw=1120&bih=656
03:51 PM * fragalot is wondering if it would be useful to buy an engine hoist this weekend before his schaublin shows up
03:51 PM fragalot: I think not.. probably too wide
03:51 PM jdh: buy.
03:51 PM fragalot: yeah, just looked up the specs, it's 90cm wide, and I only have 80
03:52 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: won't help down the basement stairs
03:52 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: hehe - thankfully there's only a single step it needs to get up.. and a slope
03:52 PM fragalot: and a narrow passage
03:52 PM Simonious: http://www.craftsmanspace.com/free-software/free-cam-software.html CAM BAM is the one I was thinking of for free CAM, it works, but.. last time I tried it, it wasn't awesome.
03:52 PM fragalot: and gravel
03:52 PM fragalot: but otherwise it's a clear path!
03:54 PM XXCoder: cam bam ehh
03:54 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: I'd be happy to loan you my forklift
03:54 PM Simonious: tried it?
03:54 PM XXCoder: yeah
03:54 PM XXCoder: need to check it out again been a bit
03:54 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: can it fit through a 6 meter long 80cm wide alley?
03:54 PM XXCoder: is heekcam still riciously crashy?
03:55 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: no but it can make it wider :p
03:55 PM fragalot: I'm thinking of putting the schaublin onto a custom width pallet, and rolling it on pipes shimmying it forward with a large crowbar
03:56 PM fragalot: until I hit the step
03:56 PM fragalot: after that I'm going to need to have a good long think about why I bought this thing
03:56 PM * Simonious chuckles
03:56 PM Simonious: bench mount? freestanding?
03:56 PM fragalot: Simonious: schaublin 13, freestanding small tool room mill
03:56 PM fragalot: it's only 800kg
03:57 PM fragalot: which is really light in machine terms, but still too heavy to lift :D
03:57 PM Simonious: deadly
03:57 PM Simonious: huh.. and I have a piano in my garage I don't want to deal with..
03:57 PM Simonious: that machine is on another level in weight.
03:57 PM XXCoder: surpised anyonme have one now
03:57 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: I used skates and a mop and soap
03:58 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: how does the soap help?
03:58 PM fragalot: helps wiht misalignment?
03:58 PM Simonious: fragalot: when it falls on you, you have a chance of slipping out of the way instead of squishing.
03:58 PM fragalot: Simonious: it's a very low center of gravity machine with a relatively wide base
03:58 PM fragalot: the chance of it tipping over is slim
03:58 PM Simonious: not as slim as you'll be if it does
03:59 PM fragalot: haha
03:59 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: the floors are sealed and slick, the soap helps me slide it
03:59 PM CaptHindsight: convert your gravel to sealed concrete
03:59 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: my floor is a mixture of loose fine gravel & sand, followed by a 6 meter section of belgian blue, followed by uneven concrete with cat prints in it
03:59 PM fragalot: it's not my gravel
04:00 PM fragalot: it's the city's
04:00 PM fragalot: and they like to roto-till it at random times
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: donate improvements
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: oh wonderful
04:00 PM fragalot: so there is a chance they COULD be doing that just before the truck arrives :D
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: do they spray water on it during cold spells?
04:00 PM fragalot: (not that the truck can fit that path)
04:01 PM fragalot: they do not water it
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: wooden ramp and pig fat
04:01 PM fragalot: so after it's all dug up the wind carries it all over the place, and the rain helps compact the deep ruts caused by someone driving over it
04:02 PM fragalot: :D
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: I was looking at a shop with a gantry crane ~10 tons
04:04 PM fragalot: I couldn't install a gantry even if I wanted to for several reasons
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: went from the truck bay to 1/2 way into the shop space
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: would be handy for machines on/off flatbeds
04:04 PM fragalot: a) no space, b) no structural integrity, c) both ceiling and wall space is completely occupied :P
04:04 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: that's nice
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: but only a steel vs concrete building :(
04:05 PM * Simonious goes to inspect the gantry crane
04:05 PM Simonious: the two arm cranes are 1 tons ea I think
04:06 PM fragalot: I'm off - ttyl :)
04:07 PM Simonious: heh, the gantry is little, 550#s
04:10 PM CaptHindsight: enough for most engines
04:11 PM CaptHindsight: I was at a guys house with a built in garage. He built a ceiling track to move engines around
04:11 PM Simonious: eh.. kindof hard to get a vehicle to, one of the guys has diy engine hoist he'll bring in for the asking, it's been here before when he was making some upgrades to it.
04:11 PM Simonious: CaptHindsight: nice
04:11 PM CaptHindsight: I-beams tied to the ceiling joists
04:11 PM CaptHindsight: but he curved them
04:12 PM CaptHindsight: went in a rectangle around the garage
04:29 PM Loetmichel: Simonious: since engine hoists cost less than 100 eur on ebay: why do someone buld that himself?
04:29 PM Loetmichel: does build
04:30 PM Simonious: Loetmichel: honestly it might be older than ebay, it's certainly burlier than the average hoist.
04:30 PM Loetmichel: ok then ;)
04:31 PM Simonious: IIRC, it's 2x4" tube stock all the way around and uses an oversized bottle jack to perform the lifting.
04:31 PM Loetmichel: <- just bought one when the need arose to get a new engine for the BMW... looks a bit lost in the trunk of the Omega though ;) ->http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16652&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:31 PM Simonious: tube.. more like square stock I guess
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/249879-larin-2-ton-engine-hoist.html $180
04:32 PM CaptHindsight: there is no way I would want to build this vs buy it
04:32 PM Loetmichel: that looks exaclty like mine
04:32 PM Simonious: That looks a lot lighter than the beast this guy has, and it has a lot less reach.
04:33 PM Simonious: probably works nicer than the homebrew unit though. *shrugs*
04:33 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: only that i paid 99 eur for it ;)
04:33 PM CaptHindsight: still takes 30 min to assemble
04:34 PM Loetmichel: including shipping ;)
04:34 PM CaptHindsight: 4 fasteners for each caster, that almost line up
04:34 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: did you peek when i assembled mine?
04:35 PM Loetmichel: you would have gotten red ears cause of my cussing ;.)
04:36 PM CaptHindsight: i went through checking 4 boxes of parts at HF for a 20 ton press
04:36 PM CaptHindsight: I was looking at the welds....
04:37 PM CaptHindsight: when i finally found a good one and got it home the return springs did not fit since they had good welds but not properly spaced :(
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: some things I just buy and then expect to have to fiddle with to make it work well
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09:24 PM {HD}: Sketchup 2018 has import export stl built in. Used to be a plugin...
10:59 PM Crom: 9pm still 75 degrees f outside