#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 16 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:04 AM miss0r: fragalot: Client will be here in 5 mins. Didn't get around to making the wooden mount
12:08 AM fragalot: YOU CAN DO IT
12:08 AM miss0r: It would be as craptacular as he deserves :D
12:08 AM fragalot: wooden board, single hinge, 2 screws.
12:08 AM fragalot: go.
12:08 AM fragalot: it will be adjustable by not putting the wall screws in fully
12:09 AM fragalot: hahah
12:10 AM fragalot: only thing that would have made that better is if the screws were too long,.. or crooked nails
12:15 AM fragalot: bah. "scientists found new long-term weather prediction model. 2018->2022 will be even hotter than expected"
12:55 AM elmo40: but... can they get tomorrow's weather accurate?
01:02 AM MrHindsight: tomorrow not so much but I've been looking over the long term projections from the 70's and they were conservative
01:04 AM MrHindsight is now known as CaptHindsight
01:05 AM CaptHindsight: have to peek at this https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0383-9
01:08 AM miss0r: so, we are all boned, then?
01:11 AM CaptHindsight: vs boneless?
01:12 AM CaptHindsight: well we won't be able to exact our revenge on those responsible since they will all be long gone
01:14 AM CaptHindsight: hopefully
01:18 AM Contract_Pilot: Sup...
01:19 AM Contract_Pilot: I still need 2X 7I92H's
01:26 AM Contract_Pilot: writing centos to dvd at 2x sucks
01:30 AM miss0r: I think I have finally found a converter that will read my pholips linear scales and output something I can put into a mesa card! :D
01:30 AM miss0r: http://www.bulgarianindustry.bg/en/products?product=1978627491469053124
01:31 AM miss0r: but... 200 eur for that small pcb, damn
01:32 AM miss0r: syyl: Do you often get met with coffee stained napkin drawings & ridiculous price expectations?
01:35 AM CaptHindsight: now there's a board you don't see very often
01:35 AM miss0r: I'm thinking I should just order three right away
01:36 AM miss0r: But I know too little about the mesa system. Is it reasonable to think I can feed TTL or RS422 into a mesa system?
01:47 AM Deejay: moin
01:49 AM miss0r: o/
02:20 AM miss0r: Do anyone in here know of a good guide to help me find the mesa components needed for a cnc retrofit?
02:22 AM CaptHindsight: miss0r: yes, wait about 4 hours and ask JT-Shop or
02:23 AM miss0r: does he have a guide? or is he the guide? :D
02:23 AM CaptHindsight: wait about 6 hours and ask pcw_mesa
02:23 AM CaptHindsight: jt has a website and sells some of the mesa cards
02:23 AM CaptHindsight: his site has a basic flowchart for the limited cards he sells
02:24 AM miss0r: ahh indeed. I will need to look at that
02:24 AM CaptHindsight: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=common/home
02:24 AM miss0r: I've never used mesa cards before, so I am thinking it will be a pretty serious retrofitting a whole maho 500c
02:24 AM CaptHindsight: whatcha lookin fer?
02:25 AM miss0r: Well, just about everything needed for replacing the controller on my maho
02:25 AM CaptHindsight: I've used several but I don't commit part numbers to memory
02:25 AM CaptHindsight: so steppers or servos or both?
02:25 AM CaptHindsight: what types of encoders?
02:25 AM miss0r: so alot of digital I/O's. some analog outputs and some way of reading the linear scales
02:26 AM miss0r: Its servo motors. I actualy do not know what encoders are on there
02:26 AM CaptHindsight: what output do the scales have?
02:26 AM CaptHindsight: or shoot Mesa an email with your IO's
02:27 AM CaptHindsight: do you prefer a PCIe or ethernet connection from PC to FPGA?
02:27 AM CaptHindsight: lots of options
02:27 AM CaptHindsight: and you'll get lots of opinions from users
02:28 AM miss0r: I know its a propreitary blend those linear scale readers. so I'll need the PCB i posted a link about in here a little earlier. many have tried to read the signal from them, many have failed
02:28 AM miss0r: These are the servo motors: http://www.cnc-shopping.co.uk/indramat-mdc-1020fmma-0s06-motor-p-1933.html?osCsid=10cb7bc6d001e941359d1c26287fb207
02:28 AM CaptHindsight: the Bulagrian FPGA card?
02:28 AM miss0r: yeah
02:29 AM miss0r: I'm thinking i'll be reusing the drives for both the spindle and the servos.
02:29 AM CaptHindsight: do you need servo amps for the motors?
02:29 AM miss0r: What I want is to basically replace the philips 432 controller
02:29 AM miss0r: and keep all the power circuitry
02:30 AM miss0r: as much plug'n play as possible, so I can put the 432 back into place should something fail/get held up.
02:30 AM miss0r: As i use the CNC on an almost daily basis
02:31 AM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/12-milling/29213-retrofit-maho-mh700c-with-philips-432-control?start=10
02:31 AM CaptHindsight: look at tis^^
02:32 AM miss0r: What am I looking at? :)
02:32 AM CaptHindsight: somebody has done the same retrofit before
02:33 AM miss0r: yeah. but I've never read about people using the original scales
02:33 AM miss0r: Everyone is replacing them
02:33 AM CaptHindsight: http://www.ichaus.de/keyword/Interpolators
02:34 AM miss0r: my futile hope is to keep the costs as low as possible. and 200eur per axis for using the old ones seems like a good option
02:35 AM miss0r: also, if possible; use parts that are as much plug'n play as I can find :D
02:35 AM miss0r: I know those two does not go hand in hand, but throw into the equation that time is money, then it sorta adds up
02:36 AM CaptHindsight: are the servo amps analog in 5v +/- or Step Dir?
02:36 AM miss0r: +/- 10v
02:36 AM CaptHindsight: ah ok
02:37 AM CaptHindsight: http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=52
02:37 AM CaptHindsight: http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=54
02:37 AM CaptHindsight: 6i25 + 7i77 gets you 5 axis anlog servo and 48 IO
02:38 AM miss0r: ohh, indeed
02:38 AM miss0r: Thats a start atleast :)
02:40 AM hazzy-lab1 is now known as hazzy-lab
02:40 AM miss0r: What about reading the linear scales?
02:40 AM CaptHindsight: if you use that Bulgarian adapted card then the 7o77 will take the encoder signals from that card
02:40 AM CaptHindsight: adapted/adapter
02:40 AM miss0r: so those mesa cards you linked me to; how do I interface with them?
02:40 AM miss0r: rephrase: I need the PCIe card to run the other one?
02:41 AM CaptHindsight: the 6i25 is the PCIe card
02:41 AM CaptHindsight: the 7i77 is the IO
02:41 AM CaptHindsight: 6 Axis analog servo with high speed encoder feedback
02:41 AM miss0r: so, basically a cable between those two, and I am interfaced with the PC
02:41 AM CaptHindsight: 2 isolated inputs and 16 isolated outputs
02:41 AM CaptHindsight: yes
02:42 AM CaptHindsight: 32 not 2
02:42 AM CaptHindsight: Encoder inputs can be individually set for differential or single ended mode.
02:42 AM CaptHindsight: Six +-10V analog outputs and six encoder inputs (all with index) are provided for servo interfacing.
02:42 AM miss0r: indeed. So, assuming that is not enough I/O (which I have a sneaking suspicion it is not) I would need another PCIe card and another 7i77 to add to that?
02:44 AM CaptHindsight: 6i25 supports one 7i77 and another card in the series
02:44 AM miss0r: damn this is a fine system :)
02:44 AM CaptHindsight: There are currently six 6I25 compatible breakout cards available from Mesa, the 7I74 through 7I78 and 7I85.
02:45 AM CaptHindsight: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=52
02:45 AM miss0r: Truth be told, I still find it a little confusing.
02:45 AM CaptHindsight: add up all your IO
02:46 AM CaptHindsight: you might be surprised what you really need
02:46 AM miss0r: yeah, I might. I'll need to actualy read my wiring diagram in detail to know for sure :)
02:48 AM miss0r: When it comes to motherboards for the linuxcnc setup; I seem to recall some being better when it comes to jitter than others. Is that only a convern when using the parallel port to drive steppers?
02:48 AM miss0r: or is there still some truth to this, so I have to consider what hardware to use there?
02:49 AM CaptHindsight: mostly for software stepping
02:49 AM miss0r: okay; so I just want a stable and powerfull machine for this setup
02:49 AM CaptHindsight: the min issue is with motherboards that don't let you kill power management and speed stepping
02:49 AM CaptHindsight: min/main
02:50 AM miss0r: Can you elaborate a little on that?
02:50 AM CaptHindsight: power management and speed stepping (cpu clock throttling) causes most of the jitter
02:51 AM miss0r: ahh. so that "auto clocking" stuff
02:51 AM CaptHindsight: PC BIOSes in general are giant turds
02:51 AM miss0r: Can you bring me any recomendations for pc hardware?
02:51 AM CaptHindsight: and some vendors remove options in BIOS to keep service calls to a minium
02:52 AM CaptHindsight: this usually doesn;t effect the average PC user but kills real time use
02:52 AM CaptHindsight: UEFI is actually an OS
02:53 AM miss0r: yeah
02:53 AM CaptHindsight: Intel might finally admit it
02:53 AM CaptHindsight: a typical x86 cpu will run 2-3 kernels before Linux ever loads
02:54 AM CaptHindsight: anyway back to the topic
02:54 AM CaptHindsight: the latest AMD stuff (Ryzen) is not supported in RTAI
02:55 AM miss0r: Perhaps some intel server hardware?
02:55 AM CaptHindsight: if you end up wanting ethernet from PC to IO cards then you'll be running a preempt_rt kernel so it won't matter
02:55 AM CaptHindsight: ooh the server hardware is actually a poor choice
02:56 AM CaptHindsight: I haven't used Intel since ~1999
02:57 AM CaptHindsight: so I won't comment on what works Intel
02:58 AM miss0r: alright. I'm not that much into PC hardware anymore. Well, I've put quite a few computers together over the years; but I'm not sure what is moving or shaking at the moment
02:58 AM CaptHindsight: look for the vendors that don't dumb down the BIOS
02:59 AM CaptHindsight: Gigabyte, Asrock, Asus
03:01 AM CaptHindsight: best bet is run the Live CD and the latency test
03:01 AM miss0r: hmm. Any recomendations on the actual CPU?
03:01 AM CaptHindsight: we used tons of AMD FM2+
03:02 AM CaptHindsight: others here claim some Celerons work well
03:02 AM miss0r: heh.. I know a guy who owns a computer store. I should just bring the Live CD there, and have a go at a few different options actualy
03:02 AM CaptHindsight: best bet
03:02 AM CaptHindsight: we have had surprises
03:03 AM miss0r: I think that is what I shall do
03:03 AM CaptHindsight: it's not as important if you use ethernet to FPGA
03:04 AM miss0r: I'm thinking I'll run the PCIe card
03:04 AM miss0r: for some reason that just seems like a more sturdy solution to me
03:05 AM CaptHindsight: 7I92M is like the ethernet version of the 6i25
03:06 AM CaptHindsight: plug and play with the 7i77
03:06 AM CaptHindsight: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=98
03:06 AM miss0r: so an ethernet cable from the PC to that board there, and then connect to the 7i77 direct
03:06 AM miss0r: And the ethernet connection is plenty fast for this?
03:07 AM CaptHindsight: yes
03:07 AM miss0r: ha.
03:07 AM miss0r: Who would have known :D
03:07 AM miss0r: I still like the idea of a PCIe card with a direct connection to the 7i77
03:07 AM CaptHindsight: preempt_rt kernel and UDP only
03:07 AM miss0r: yeah, UDP is faster
03:08 AM CaptHindsight: 3:00 here
03:08 AM miss0r: I think I have what I need to get started now. Thanks
03:10 AM CaptHindsight: check with them on the details to save on M-M or F-M etc adapters
03:11 AM CaptHindsight: they have options on the gender of the DB-25 connectors
03:12 AM miss0r: complicated :)
03:15 AM CaptHindsight: details schmetails
03:15 AM miss0r: :D
04:46 AM jthornton: morning
04:47 AM XXCoder: yo
05:01 AM miss0r: cleaning the CNC is not made more funny by me not being able to find the slender nozzle for the vacuum cleaner!
05:01 AM jthornton: miss0r: you have some questions about Mesa cards?
05:02 AM miss0r: jthornton: CaptHindsight actualy filled me in. For what I need to know at the time being
05:02 AM jthornton: ok
05:02 AM miss0r: Next step for me is to look thuroughly at the wiring diagram for my mill, and figure out how much I need
05:02 AM jthornton: stepper or servo?
05:02 AM miss0r: Servo
05:03 AM jthornton: 7i92M and 7i77 plug together :)
05:03 AM miss0r: Building the list of mesa units I need will have to wait for a later date :] I'll be sure to contact you ;)
05:04 AM jthornton: ok
05:04 AM miss0r: where do you ship out from?
05:04 AM jthornton: Missouri
05:04 AM miss0r: meh.. That import tax is going to kill me
05:04 AM jthornton: where are you?
05:04 AM miss0r: Denmark
05:08 AM fragalot: miss0r: I use a piece of PVC pipe that i've heat-formed to fit in the Tee-slots :P
05:08 AM miss0r: well, the nozzle I have/had fit perfectly
05:09 AM fragalot: have you checked the bottom of the chip-tray
05:09 AM miss0r: and I have been putting off cleaning the CNC for a week - you can imagine what it looks like
05:09 AM miss0r: yeah
05:09 AM miss0r: I'm quite sure I put it some ingenious place, where I would be sure not to loose it
05:09 AM fragalot: sounds familliar :D
05:10 AM miss0r: story of my life
05:10 AM jthornton: when I do find something I've lost I always put it back in the first place I looked
05:10 AM miss0r: I'm so good at doing that, i'll loose the lathe one of these days
05:11 AM miss0r: jthornton: well, the issue is; it *used* to be laying on the ground with the coil of vacuum hose, next to the vacuumcleaner itself. but I decided i was tired of kicking it around - hence the solution of just throwing it away, apparently
05:12 AM jthornton: lol
05:13 AM miss0r: You'd think it couldn't be that hard to find a relatively large object in a 40m^2 shop.. but it is somewhat crowded in here
05:13 AM miss0r: fragalot: Have you received an ETA yet?
05:14 AM fragalot: 'probably monday'
05:15 AM miss0r: much excitement, much wow
05:15 AM fragalot: Such "will it fit" stress :D
05:15 AM miss0r: hahaha
05:15 AM miss0r: you know what, if you can't fit it - I will come take the burden off your hands, free of charge ;)
05:15 AM miss0r: Thats how much of a gentleman I am
05:16 AM miss0r: apparently it stuck it into the plastics rawstock shelf
05:16 AM jthornton: where was it?
05:17 AM miss0r: it *is* made of some plastic, so I guess it makes sense. and I only found it because I banged my head on another shelf
05:17 AM miss0r: Well, it all worked out in the end. Now to do some cleaning.
05:23 AM Tom_L: morning
05:25 AM miss0r: mornin
05:25 AM Tom_L: looks like a big storm just missed ya jt
05:25 AM miss0r: The thermostat in my fridge is broken. Upside: realy cold soda at the moment. Downside: the thermostat in my fridge is broken.
05:27 AM miss0r: my coke is a slushice
05:27 AM miss0r: Why couldn't this have happened last week when it was 30c ?!
05:39 AM SpeedEvil: miss0r: Upside, temperature controllers with SSR are only $10.
05:42 AM miss0r: :]
05:43 AM fragalot: just crack the door slightly
05:43 AM fragalot: :P
05:45 AM SpeedEvil: I have almost gotten to the 'fuckit' level with many appliances and wish I could rip out the controllers.
05:46 AM jthornton: whoopee my 7i96 configuration tool can flash the card and readhmid and reload
05:46 AM SpeedEvil: For example, my new microwave has nice turny knobs for settings.
05:46 AM SpeedEvil: But, if you turn the time knob, it goes 9,10,11,15,20. And if you interrupt something midway through cooking, you can't simply add more than ten minutes to it.
05:47 AM jthornton: now to figure out how to get the return code from subprocess.Popen
05:59 AM jthornton: Monique is always the first chicken out the door in the morning
06:14 AM veek: where's the steel nomenclature documented .. as in.. is there a chart-mapping of the first 2 digits
06:14 AM veek: 51 - Cr, but 50 -?
06:22 AM miss0r: As much as I absolutly hate taking chiped and gunked up parts apart and cleaning'em, I do love sliding everything back together and lining it up :)
06:24 AM fragalot: :)
06:26 AM miss0r: fragalot: You know how you always try to eyeball stuff, then measure it to see how close you were?
06:26 AM fragalot: yeah
06:26 AM miss0r: I just slapped the vise on the table, and halfassedly lined it up by eye, and landed it within 0.02mm/150mm
06:26 AM miss0r: I just had to come tell you right away :D
06:27 AM fragalot: :)
06:27 AM miss0r: I usualy land it around 0.1 ish
06:45 AM miss0r: I wonder what the current going rate for alu scrap is. I have around 130kgs at the moment
06:46 AM miss0r: and now it has just about outgrown the two wastebins it is filling up
06:46 AM fragalot: worthless. you might as well send the pieces that are larger than 20x200x200 to me.
06:47 AM fragalot: alternatively, get into casting, alu is a really fun material to learn with (actually more difficult than cast iron)
06:47 AM miss0r: I have a few meters of 220x75
06:47 AM miss0r: which I NEVER use.
06:47 AM miss0r: it is too big for me to cut in my cold saw. I realy need a bandsaw!
06:47 AM fragalot: get a hydraulic clamping bandsaw when you do
06:47 AM miss0r: I have one.
06:48 AM fragalot: get a larger one
06:48 AM miss0r: Fully automated
06:48 AM miss0r: no, it is too large :)
06:48 AM fragalot: xD
06:48 AM miss0r: I have it for sale. I cannot fit it in here
06:48 AM fragalot: I wish they sold portabands here
06:48 AM miss0r: I have a bandsaw for sale... Interrested? You can just feed it a 12m rod, and set it to start sawing the lenghts you want ;)
06:49 AM miss0r: I bought it for next to n... A high high price. and am willing to sell it to you with only a little loss :D
06:50 AM fragalot: ask me again in a few years
06:50 AM fragalot: like.. 20.
06:50 AM miss0r: Have more faith in yourself. Your empire started the moment you sent payment for that machine of yours ;)
06:50 AM miss0r: Before you know it we are competitors
06:51 AM fragalot: doubtful - you wouldn't be able to keep up
06:51 AM fragalot: :D
06:52 AM miss0r: thats the spirit :D
06:53 AM miss0r: Just to be sage, I already started spreading a bad rumor about your future products, to keep competition at a minimum :P
06:53 AM miss0r: safe*
06:54 AM fragalot: >.> I've got this 1µs jitter on my controller I can't seem to get rid of
06:55 AM miss0r: :D
06:55 AM miss0r: Have you tried shaking your fist at it?
06:55 AM miss0r: also, try slapping it from underneath
06:55 AM fragalot: I've tried shaking the controller, does that count?
06:55 AM jthornton: enough programming for the day time to let the chickens out
06:56 AM miss0r: is the controller small enough to fit in a closed fist? if not, no
06:56 AM fragalot: not really, it's about 120x120mm
06:57 AM miss0r: I have this crazy set of HSS+C drills. 0.5-10mm with 0.1mm increments. The crazy part is most of the drills are given with three decimals. i.e. 3.100mm
06:57 AM fragalot: and from the PCB design pov.. a freaking work of art getting this many components on, and still meet thermal design guidelines & EMI
06:57 AM miss0r: 7.000 etc
06:57 AM fragalot: I've got a set like that too
06:57 AM fragalot: inherited
06:57 AM fragalot: it's.. not complete, lol
06:57 AM miss0r: same goes for this, I know just about nothing about it origin
06:57 AM miss0r: I've kept it fully stocked
06:58 AM fragalot: where did you find micron sized drill bits to restock it with?
06:58 AM miss0r: but the replacement drills does not meet standard
06:58 AM fragalot: and - something i've wondered - what the hell do you use to sharpen them & keep tolerance :D
06:59 AM miss0r: hehe. I have no idea how anybody thought they could get away with selling precision HSS drills :D
06:59 AM fragalot: (i've never actually checked to see what size they drill, but I doubt they are as accurate as they claim)
06:59 AM miss0r: well, calling'em so
06:59 AM miss0r: they are good drills. but they drill oversize like all HSS drills
06:59 AM fragalot: guaranteed H8
06:59 AM fragalot: :P
06:59 AM miss0r: I inherited this from my friends work, the one i've been talking about
07:00 AM miss0r: along with alot of other stuff over the years
07:00 AM fragalot: the one that hides vital intel?
07:00 AM miss0r: the one and same
07:00 AM fragalot: any news?
07:00 AM fragalot: and don't make me go there myself
07:01 AM miss0r: nope. To be honnest I think I need to call and put pressure on him myself. But seeing as I have no buyer - and it is better not to tempt myself, I think I'll let it slide
07:01 AM fragalot: xD
07:01 AM fragalot: smart move
07:01 AM miss0r: Tell that to 'night miss0r' whom cries himself to sleep wondering what could've been
07:04 AM * fragalot needs to find machine skates by monday
07:04 AM fragalot: whilst working a fulltime job
07:04 AM fragalot: irk
07:04 AM miss0r: do what all other hobbyists do. Get some 1" water pipes (the galvanized steel ones) and roll it on that
07:05 AM fragalot: is the bottom of a schaublin flat enough for that?
07:05 AM miss0r: I honnestly can't remember ever seeing that model from underneath :D
07:05 AM fragalot: I know that it's definitely hollow as that's how you access the DC motor for rapids
07:05 AM miss0r: You'll have to study pictures
07:06 AM miss0r: how much does it weigh?
07:06 AM fragalot: between 600 to 800
07:06 AM miss0r: easy!
07:06 AM fragalot: if you've got room, yes
07:06 AM miss0r: you have room... just hardly enough
07:06 AM fragalot: hehe
07:06 AM fragalot: don't forget the gravel path
07:06 AM fragalot: where a truck forklift won't fit through
07:07 AM miss0r: hmm.. yeah - you'll need to have some steel plates put in place
07:07 AM fragalot: I *REALLY* hope the city doesn't roto-till it this weekend >.<
07:07 AM miss0r: or at the very least some sturdy plywood
07:07 AM miss0r: wtf is roto-till?
07:07 AM fragalot: I've got a stack of malaisian ply I was thinking of using
07:08 AM fragalot: roto-till = big spinny digger that upturns the soil to prevent weeds growing
07:08 AM fragalot: but it leaves it all loose so it's like walking on sand until the rain compacts it again
07:08 AM miss0r: is it stiff? one thing I have learned NEVER! to do again, is use too thin/too soft plywood for these operations. I have once before, perhaps, had a wheel plug a hole in a place leaving me all but stranded
07:09 AM fragalot: 18mm hardwood ply
07:09 AM miss0r: That sounds fine. as long as it is still in good condition
07:09 AM fragalot: brand spanking new
07:09 AM miss0r: also: take your time laying it out. fill in potholes ect. underneath.
07:10 AM miss0r: take some boards and screw the plates together somewhere it does not get in your way, so they don't slip on you
07:10 AM fragalot: why did you make me do this again? :D
07:10 AM * miss0r looks behind himself
07:10 AM miss0r: ME?!
07:10 AM miss0r: :D
07:11 AM miss0r: as long as your wifey does not label me 'a disturber of the piece'
07:12 AM miss0r: I'm trying to get rid of my danotherm r2200va hot air station. Anyone in here interrested? Giving it away, you pay shipment
07:12 AM miss0r: fragalot: You know nothing about not having enough space in your shop. I have to think about what I keep in my boxes to make ends meet. Like the hot air station there
07:13 AM fragalot: my shop is 18m²
07:13 AM fragalot: yours is 40m²
07:13 AM fragalot: I don't even have any ceiling space left
07:14 AM miss0r: yet here you are, buying new machinery. Planning to add a homebuild CNC, clearly you have room to spare ;)
07:14 AM miss0r: I think this place would crumble if I bought a new screwdriver, without throwing another one out
07:14 AM fragalot: the CNC is likely to go underneath the table saw
07:15 AM miss0r: woah.. mr. bigspender.. I wish I had some room underneath something :D
07:15 AM fragalot: not sure what i'm going to do with the ikea-lista cabinet's contents that the saw is on now
07:15 AM miss0r: hehe I hear'ya
07:15 AM fragalot: but that's a problem for future fragalot
07:15 AM miss0r: yeah, and he is an idiot anyway
07:16 AM fragalot: dunno, sometimes I feel like he's smarter than I am
07:16 AM miss0r: illusions
07:16 AM miss0r: When I brought the EDM in here, I had to get rid of a small steel cabinet. I still haven't figuret out what to do with the rest of the stuff from there.
07:17 AM miss0r: At the moment my lathe only has 400mm usable travel, because I have stuff stacked on the ways in one end :o
07:17 AM fragalot: hehe
07:20 AM miss0r: at the moment I am here stalling for time. because the next step in my cleaning operation is taking a look at the stuff on before mentioned lathe
07:21 AM miss0r: Among other stuff, theres two 236A @ 12Vdc switchmode power supplys..
07:21 AM miss0r: I have no idea why I kept those. But it doesn't feel right to throw'em out :D
07:27 AM JT-Shop: woopee today is the chickens birthday they are hens now
07:28 AM miss0r: I do like the little ones :]
07:30 AM fragalot: quite tasty with the right marinade
07:32 AM miss0r: I only think you eat'em that small, in mcnuggets
07:32 AM fragalot: probably
07:34 AM miss0r: The stuff I keep sometimes: I have here two cisco switches. One is a 48port catalyst 2950 the other is a small buisness SG 200-18
07:34 AM miss0r: I have no idea what to do with it. But somehow I feel it is too good to throw out
07:35 AM fragalot: isn't that catalyst worth like €5 on ebay?
07:35 AM miss0r: upwards of 70
07:36 AM miss0r: :]
07:36 AM miss0r: Meh.. That thing was probally 2k new
07:37 AM fragalot: ChuckIt (tm)
07:37 AM miss0r: yeah...
07:37 AM miss0r: NO!
07:37 AM * miss0r finds a small hole to push it in between stuff
07:37 AM fragalot: xD
07:38 AM fragalot: it's not even worth your time putting it on ebay anymore
07:38 AM miss0r: that makes me a little sad
07:39 AM gregcnc: do like everyone else, snap a pic in the darkest corner of the shop, post a model # and list it for 3-4 times it's real value
07:39 AM fragalot: this is why you left IT
07:39 AM fragalot: :P
07:39 AM miss0r: Had I only had it back in the day when small LAN partys was every weekend. You would have been the king showing up with a 48 port switch, instead of your own 5port hub you added to the pile of other hubs (preferably with a network loop somewhere in there)
07:40 AM fragalot: lol
07:41 AM miss0r: I actualy still host the ocational LAN party.. (maybe once a year) then we're like 10 people getting together playing the old games. only, when I build my mancave, I installed network plugs in the ceiling, along with power outlets, for ease of access :D
07:48 AM Sabotend_ is now known as Sabotender
07:50 AM miss0r: oh *shit*! i may have lost a small machinist jack in the chiptray before emptying it out into the big bin :-/
07:50 AM fragalot: magnet? :P
07:51 AM miss0r: well... I both emptied steel and alu today
07:51 AM fragalot: tidying up is never a good thing is it
07:52 AM miss0r: it realy isn't
08:00 AM miss0r: fragalot: do you have vises to use with that mill of yours?
08:02 AM miss0r: I have these two collecting du.. .chips: https://imgur.com/a/Wa4QDci
08:03 AM miss0r: both on swivel bases. I never use them. Now they have been set aside for 2 years
08:03 AM miss0r: and they are heavy :D
08:03 AM miss0r: Anyway; if anyone are interrested; i'm giving away these two vises: https://imgur.com/a/Wa4QDci They are in Denmark, and heavy. So it is probally costly to send them too far. I'm off
08:04 AM fragalot: miss0r: I've got 3, one that came with it, a 100mm grinding vise, and my 6" vertex
08:05 AM miss0r: yeah.. but do you have a 50kg vise with 250mm wide jaws, can can 'almost' grap 250? ON A SWIVEL BASE?! :D
08:06 AM miss0r: Its probally too big for that machine anyway. Now I'm realy out
08:07 AM fragalot: :/
08:08 AM fragalot: I think the 250mm one can almost grab the table, lol
08:57 AM jesseg: Good Morning
09:02 AM JT-Shop: hey
09:06 AM veek: is there a way to speed up the heating time of steel.. book says soak in heat for 'one half hour' and i'm thinking it's not 1/2hr
09:07 AM veek: it's a rockwell C test of hardness with a bunch of steels
09:08 AM veek: how can anyone heat samples for 1.5 hrs.. won't that consume a lot of gas
09:08 AM Wolf__: electric kill
09:09 AM SpeedEvil: veek: compute the thermal equilibrium period in the steel.
09:09 AM SpeedEvil: half an hour is not ridiculous for larger bits.
09:09 AM SpeedEvil: Steel isn't very conductive, and if you apply a step change from 25C to 800C, it's gonna range.
09:10 AM fragalot: veek: electric or induction heating
09:10 AM Wolf__: kiln/oven
09:11 AM gregcnc: heat treating is done in a furnace not with a torch
09:11 AM veek: fragalot, no idea i'm reading a book
09:11 AM fragalot: veek: no I was talking about how to do it, not asking a question :)
09:12 AM veek: SpeedEvil, thanks ok (need to google)
09:12 AM veek: fragalot, ah ok
09:12 AM SpeedEvil: Useful heat treating can be done with a torch. It's not very controlled and the part needs to be designed for it.
09:12 AM Wolf__: I’ll stick to using my heat treating oven
09:13 AM SpeedEvil: Oven is the best way.
09:13 AM gregcnc: yes, but in general for industry a furnace is used
09:14 AM Wolf__: I have something like http://www.paragonweb.com/XPRESS-Q-11A.cfm
09:15 AM veek: ah that's a nice furnace - guys have diy'd emm as well
09:15 AM Wolf__: except mine doesnt have that fancy controller on it, and its sitting waiting for me to glue it back together and put new coils in it
09:18 AM Wolf__: easier to just keep a eye out for someone selling a used kiln
09:19 AM gregcnc: yeah I got one of ebay or CL
10:23 AM Chillum: you just need something that melts at the right temp to hold the switch on
10:23 AM Chillum: I knew a guy who used a sterling silver fork for annealing glass, when the right temp was reached the fork softened and released the switch
10:24 AM Chillum: probably need something hotter than sterling though
10:45 AM JT-Shop: hazzy-dev: you around?
10:59 AM JT-Shop: damn just screwed up the fixture I was working on... grabbed a 5/16 drill and tap for a 1/4... mill didn't even complain about the extra load of mismatched pitch
10:59 AM JT-Shop: make a new one after lunch
11:14 AM skunkworks: one of the epic mistakes was grabbing a hhs mill thinking it was carbide...
11:17 AM jthornton: yea after lunch I'll label the tap rack and check the band saw for square as the last cut was not very square and build a new fixture
11:18 AM jthornton: if nothing else I'll get the fixture and part sorted out today
11:18 AM jthornton: skunkworks: I've got my 7i96 configuration tool reading, flashing and reloading the 7i96 :)
11:21 AM * jthornton sees that the lunch minute is up so back to destroying stuff
11:24 AM skunkworks: jthornton: very cool!
11:34 AM JT-Shop: if you want to gander at it it's here https://github.com/jethornton/7i96
11:51 AM JT-Shop: tap rack labeled, band saw back to cutting straight...
12:18 PM jesseg: Does anybody even use R-based arcs these days?
12:19 PM miss0r: <-
12:19 PM miss0r: jesseg, I do
12:19 PM jesseg: lol ok :D
12:20 PM miss0r: but I *DO* run a cnc from the mid '80s
12:20 PM jesseg: so do you prefer R-based arc for a particular reason, or is that the only arcs your machine supports?
12:21 PM miss0r: It does a few seprate ones. but it parses the R based one smoother, if I only run in two axis while doing it
12:21 PM jesseg: ahh gotcha
12:21 PM miss0r: when doing a ramped contour, I cheat it to use a partial of its thread milling subroutine :)
12:22 PM jesseg: lol
12:22 PM miss0r: example: N114 G3 X17.285 Z-78.6 I12.446 J9.677 K.05
12:23 PM miss0r: to quote a master poetry man 'you piss with the cock you've got' -AvE
12:23 PM jesseg: Isn't that just an IJK based arc?
12:23 PM miss0r: well, the philips 432 looks at it a bit differently
12:23 PM jesseg: ahh gotha.
12:23 PM jesseg: gotcha
12:24 PM jesseg: that's what's so amazing about gcode, so many flavors :D
12:24 PM miss0r: also what is the pain about it sometimes :)
12:24 PM jesseg: exactly
12:24 PM miss0r: luckily my cnc here came with some educational material.
12:24 PM jesseg: that's awfully nice
12:34 PM miss0r: jesseg: Why the curiosity, if you don't mind me asking?
12:43 PM CaptHindsight: miss0r: to make it easier for most uhmericans can you ask them to combine Denmark and the Netherlands?
12:44 PM CaptHindsight: oh and maybe Finland, Sweden and Norway :)
12:48 PM miss0r: Can we please leave sweden out of this. You can't trust these fellahs
12:48 PM * miss0r pokes DaViruz
12:50 PM miss0r: you already have it easy, you know - Everywhere but the us is called 'over there' and everything within the US is called 'over here'. We're forced to learn geography in school, by law
12:50 PM miss0r: :
12:50 PM gregcnc: we are required to forget it after the test
12:50 PM miss0r: hehe
12:51 PM miss0r: Well, I'm no wizard when it comes to geography.
12:51 PM miss0r: I think, perhaps, my 2yo son could draw a more detailed worldmap than me
12:58 PM fragalot: 'sup
12:58 PM miss0r: yo
12:58 PM fragalot: miss0r: how did your camera customer react btw?
12:59 PM fragalot: did he take the wooden one home? :D
12:59 PM miss0r: he didn't know if I was serious about the wooden one :D
12:59 PM fragalot: even though it was seriously accurate to within his specs? :D
01:09 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick will object but http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/File:Jesusland.GIF
01:10 PM FinboySlick: Nah, that's pretty accurate.
01:10 PM CaptHindsight: hah
01:11 PM FinboySlick: Though to be honest, Quebec is probably more communist than the red parts.
01:11 PM fragalot: you were right. he did object.
01:11 PM FinboySlick: It's a mild objection!
01:11 PM fragalot: whatever, commie
01:12 PM FinboySlick: It's not ideological, it's just so I don't get sent to the New-Brunswick gulags.
01:13 PM miss0r: fragalot: long phone call...
01:13 PM miss0r: He was unsure weather or not I was pulling his chain about the wooden camera mount
01:13 PM fragalot: ._.
01:14 PM miss0r: Which, I think, made the real one look all the more sweet to him, once I handed it over
01:14 PM fragalot: :)
01:14 PM miss0r: I told him what was what, and that the actual price would be tripled, should he order more
01:14 PM miss0r: which he told me he might, when he saw it ;)
01:14 PM miss0r: (could just be a load'o'crap, but we will see)
01:15 PM fragalot: time will tell.
01:15 PM miss0r: I never thought i'd see the day, but I have too many vises.
01:15 PM fragalot: but if he's willing to pay 3x the price for a simple flip camera mount, either there is something wrong with him, or he's loaded
01:16 PM miss0r: I have three grinding vises & four mill vises.
01:16 PM miss0r: I ever only use one of each
01:16 PM miss0r: well, sometimes I use two grinding vises, but that is it
01:16 PM fragalot: I was gonna say, even I use 2 vises sometimes
01:16 PM fragalot: mainly putting a grinding vise in the milling vise to get an angle :P
01:16 PM miss0r: and those two chunky units in the lathe chippan are just too massive
01:16 PM miss0r: :D
01:17 PM miss0r: I wonder what to do with'em.
01:17 PM miss0r: I could never just throw them out. That would be senseless
01:17 PM fragalot: the guy that bought my mill could use a vise though, but it's his fault for not being in here. :D
01:18 PM miss0r: hehe. Tell him he can get one if he pays the postage from Denmark.
01:18 PM miss0r: I think the small one of the two might fit that rf25 pretty well
01:18 PM fragalot: 45!
01:18 PM miss0r: Perhaps, just perhaps I know someone who would be interrested in the big one
01:18 PM miss0r: details schmetails
01:19 PM Tom_L: i'd find it rather handy to have 2
01:19 PM miss0r: Tom_L: https://imgur.com/a/Wa4QDci
01:19 PM miss0r: These are just not what I use anymore
01:19 PM Tom_L: gawd those are old
01:20 PM miss0r: sure.. Old iron :]
01:20 PM miss0r: if I have something with too much overhang to handle in one vise on the mill, I tend to use machinist jacks & a clamping set
01:20 PM Tom_L: yeah i ended up doing that on a part here
01:22 PM miss0r: It happens :) I actualy often use superglue when machining parts, to safe setups. I have a wasteboard of alu, I clamp in that way, take off the top with a facemill & glue whatever I am working on onto there
01:22 PM miss0r: That almost never fails
01:22 PM Tom_L: i picked up another sacrificial plate today
01:23 PM Tom_L: 1.5" thick hunk
01:23 PM Tom_L: should last a while
01:24 PM miss0r: yeah. I think the one I use started as 30mm its now down to 20. Starting to be a bit thin
01:24 PM Tom_L: i did it mostly for reach after raising my Z up 2"
01:25 PM Tom_L: but i think i'm gonna get some longer rails for Z eventually
01:25 PM Tom_L: i got all 3 as a bundle and Z was only 400mm
01:25 PM Tom_L: which is fine until you start using a vise and switching back and forth to the plate
01:26 PM miss0r: I don't seem to recall ever seeing your setup? I would love to see, if you don't mind sharing
01:26 PM miss0r: I'm just cleaning brass shavings off the lathe at the moment anyway... I don't know what it is, but the brass chips stick to my cast iron like glue
01:27 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/spindle_cooler/Mill2.jpg
01:27 PM Tom_L: that's a decent overall pic
01:27 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/
01:27 PM Tom_L: you can nose around in there and find it in various states
01:28 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Vise_parts/Vise3.jpg
01:29 PM miss0r: hows that square hollow section working out for'ya
01:29 PM miss0r: ?
01:29 PM Tom_L: square hollow?
01:29 PM Tom_L: i cut a trough for coolant drainage
01:29 PM Tom_L: i'm used to working off tooling plates so i kinda like it
01:30 PM Tom_L: i added a slot for the vise
01:30 PM miss0r: meh... my engrish is failing me :) the box sections you used for frame :)
01:30 PM Tom_L: oh, it's good and solid
01:31 PM miss0r: you are not experiencing any chatter from it?
01:31 PM Tom_L: no, ppl warned me about ringing etc and i don't get any
01:31 PM miss0r: nice
01:32 PM miss0r: I think your construction is small enough that you could've made it from just about anything(within reason)
01:32 PM Tom_L: other than just normal cutter noise
01:32 PM Tom_L: it's rather quiet
01:32 PM miss0r: sure
01:32 PM Tom_L: anything much bigger and i would have re'thought the construction
01:33 PM miss0r: sure. I think it looks fine. What tolerances can you hold with that thing?
01:33 PM Tom_L: the goal was 'something better than a sherline' and i think i far exceeded the goal
01:33 PM miss0r: indeed
01:33 PM miss0r: I think you just have to consider buying a real mill, and it beats the sherline
01:33 PM Tom_L: i haven't checked that close but it seems rather accurate
01:33 PM miss0r: Nice
01:34 PM miss0r: I sometimes wish my mill was more modern.
01:34 PM Tom_L: i don't have super precision measuring equipment but the calipers show a round hole etc
01:34 PM miss0r: you can get alot more power and usable space from a newer machine
01:34 PM miss0r: A good test is to do a H7 bore on it, and see if you can push the corresponding shank of an endmill in there
01:35 PM Tom_L: this was done on a budget as a hobby so i'm rather pleased
01:35 PM miss0r: without too much slob :D
01:35 PM Tom_L: there are a few things i can nit'pick about
01:35 PM miss0r: I hear'ya
01:35 PM Tom_L: like more Z
01:35 PM miss0r: I started there as well. But quickly became tired of stuff that was sub standard
01:35 PM miss0r: I bought a chinesium 3040 cnc from ebay
01:36 PM Tom_L: if i were doing it as a business i wouldn't have even considered building one
01:36 PM miss0r: hehe. which brings me to the next step: I retrofitted an Arboga U2508 with ballscrews and steppers
01:36 PM Tom_L: but i think it's probably more rigid than all the 'box' ones you get on ebay etc
01:36 PM miss0r: At this point was was already in buisness
01:36 PM miss0r: absolutly!
01:36 PM miss0r: Your design looks rather pleasing
01:37 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Column_Mill_VMC.jpg
01:37 PM Tom_L: that's what i started with
01:37 PM miss0r: sure.. how square is it?
01:38 PM Tom_L: and now that i did this: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Z-Riser_blocks.jpg
01:38 PM Tom_L: i need to extend Z down a bit more
01:38 PM * fragalot is a squaring expert by now
01:38 PM Tom_L: i need to tram it again since i did that
01:38 PM miss0r: had I been asked when you were doing it, I would have recommended one thing;
01:38 PM Tom_L: but i broke a tip on my indicator so i'm waiting for one
01:39 PM miss0r: the box sections running from the column in the Y direction(supporting the table); I would have made those alot beefier. Perhaps twice the cross section
01:39 PM miss0r: it happens
01:39 PM fragalot: you can never have too much beef.
01:39 PM Tom_L: yeah, that hasn't been a noticeable problem yet
01:40 PM Tom_L: i thought about it
01:40 PM miss0r: fragalot: Unrelated to machines, I bought 2kgs of beefjerky from germany at some point(a few years back), because that stuff costs a fortune in Denmark.
01:40 PM miss0r: I consumed over the course of two weeks.
01:40 PM Tom_L: all the iron was from the scrap yard so i took what i could find
01:40 PM fragalot: haha
01:40 PM miss0r: That was too much beef
01:40 PM fragalot: i've got 1kg of ribs on the bbq right now
01:40 PM Tom_L: is that an invite?
01:40 PM miss0r: Tom_L: what did you do for flattening the supports for the linear rails?
01:41 PM Tom_L: shims
01:41 PM fragalot: miss0r: no it wasn't. There were just not enough people.
01:41 PM miss0r: fragalot: did you order the rest of the appatizers from a resteraunt?
01:41 PM Tom_L: it ended up being fairly flat
01:41 PM fragalot: miss0r: ordered them from my GF
01:41 PM miss0r: :]
01:42 PM miss0r: Tom_L: Define 'fairly' :) (I'm just curious here)
01:42 PM Tom_L: not in the tenths
01:43 PM miss0r: fragalot: Is there something to it about brass sticking to cast iron? I know that is what you'd use to weld it back together.. well, solder (brazing).. but at room temperature? :S
01:43 PM miss0r: Tom_L: remind me, are you imperial or metric?
01:43 PM Tom_L: inch
01:43 PM miss0r: so a few thousands?
01:43 PM fragalot: miss0r: I don't think so under normal circumstances
01:44 PM Tom_L: probably within 1 i'd guestimate
01:44 PM fragalot: if there is.. I guess the RF45 is going to self-calibrate the gibs, lol
01:44 PM miss0r: fragalot: I didn't either. But for the past few times i've been turning brass, it sticks all over the machine. Not to the painted(whatever still hangs on) parts though
01:45 PM miss0r: it doesn't sit there crazy tight - but tight enough that I can't remove it with compressed air at 8 bar
01:45 PM fragalot_: unreliable continuous connections ftw.
01:46 PM fragalot_: aha! it's my porch light outside the shed that causes the signal to drop
01:46 PM fragalot_: long live high quality LED lights.. just as bad if not worse than the chinese ones
01:46 PM * miss0r reloads the pumpgun
01:48 PM miss0r: so; if someone sneaks up to murder you, atleast your youtube live feed will disconnect, so we don't have to see it in detail - smart
01:48 PM fragalot_: :p
01:49 PM miss0r: have ichs make you some sheilding for it ;)
01:53 PM miss0r: just watching boney M. - daddy cool music video on youtube here. The dancing looks like a realy poorly planned underbudget sideshow act hehe
01:56 PM fragalot_: miss0r: that's literally what boney M was
01:56 PM fragalot_: they're just actors that got f*ck all for thei rperformances
01:57 PM miss0r: well - the music is very enjoyable nontheless
02:00 PM miss0r: meh. cleaning my lathe is always taking a long time - I always use wd40 to clean the ways of schmoo. spray on WD40, wipe down, repeat until clost comes off without colour change(i.e. only clean wd40). Then oil it up with 68 wayoil
02:01 PM Tom_L: and here i thought you left all that grit on there like lapping compound to 'self fit' the surfaces
02:03 PM miss0r: most of the time I do :
02:09 PM miss0r: fragalot_: If I had your electric scraper, I would give the crossslide dovetails a makeover
02:12 PM fragalot_: come get it
02:12 PM miss0r: if I do, i'll bring the two vises and dump them at your place :D
02:13 PM miss0r: also, there better be rips when I get there :D
02:13 PM miss0r: At some point i'll make real on my threads. atleast the part about comming to visit
02:13 PM miss0r: But i'll wait until that mill of yours is settled in
02:13 PM fragalot_: damnit :p
02:17 PM miss0r: Are you planning to get ajustable feet for it? or are you going to shim it?
02:17 PM fragalot_: already have those from the rf45
02:17 PM fragalot_: each ratedd for like 20ton, wedge style ._.
02:18 PM miss0r: A new star is on the set, and you are letting it wear the shoes of the old one? It better not have a personality.
02:18 PM miss0r: :]
02:18 PM fragalot_: :p
02:22 PM miss0r: I think the time has come for me to completely abandon my 5-axis build, and put the peices back into stock
02:24 PM fragalot_: put it with your safe
02:24 PM fragalot_: :D
02:25 PM Roguish: Tom_L: another probe stylus seller https://www.cmms.com/
02:26 PM * miss0r slaps fragalot with some cast iron
02:26 PM miss0r: I have to move that too *sigh*
02:27 PM Roguish: miss0r: try kerosene or BBQ lighter fluid (close to the same) for cleaning. lots cheaper that wd40 and works good.
02:28 PM miss0r: sure. theres only realy two things I clean with WD40 - the lathe ways and the mill table. For all the covers I use kerosene. but thanks
02:28 PM miss0r: I feel it is easier to wipe off WD40 prior to oiling it up properly, than it is with kerosene
02:29 PM * fragalot_ usually uses denatured alcohol
02:29 PM miss0r: :o
02:29 PM miss0r: Degreasers are a pain to clean surfaces such as these with, in my opinion
02:30 PM fragalot_: how so
02:30 PM miss0r: unless you use alot I feel it dries up on me leaving everything stuck
02:30 PM XXCoder: 63f peak here wow
02:31 PM fragalot_: miss0r: that's why you do small sections at a time moving your way down the machine
02:31 PM Tom_L: Roguish, yeah i posted that after you left the other day although i don't think they have indicator tips
02:32 PM miss0r: fragalot_: Well, at best it cleans just as well as wd40, only it takes forever with the small sections
02:32 PM miss0r: another thing; I never leave the table on the cnc "dry". It always has an oil film
02:32 PM Tom_L: Roguish, at least with carbideprobes i was able to enter the mfg Pn and come up with a result
02:33 PM miss0r: but thats just my opinion anyway :] you use whatever you want ;)
02:33 PM * miss0r does more cleaning
02:33 PM fragalot_: miss0r: I've not yet had to degrease the ways, those just get a wipe with disposable rags & fresh oil
02:34 PM fragalot_: but the rest of the machine surfaces get degreased
02:34 PM miss0r: Could I intrest you in a handhelt vibrating engraver ? best guess for build year; sometime around the '60s
02:35 PM fragalot_: pics
02:35 PM miss0r: bleh.. sure. I was just going to throw it out, but sure.
02:36 PM * JT-Shop doesn't understand why the part came out offset...
02:38 PM Tom_L: well a stop to the scrap got me a plat and i scored some more of these extruded boxes of various sizes today: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/pendant2.jpg
02:38 PM Tom_L: plate*
02:38 PM fragalot_: miss0r: why would you throw out a perfectly good engraver! :P
02:39 PM Tom_L: maybe he prefers laser etching
02:39 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: nice
02:39 PM miss0r: lol...
02:39 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, yea they make great tool storage boxes
02:39 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: lol your step sizes is backwards standard, but otherwise nice!
02:39 PM JT-Shop: I see why now, some time in the past I moved the part in onecnc but didn't repick the path
02:39 PM miss0r: fragalot_: because it belongs in a museum, and I don't use it
02:40 PM miss0r: like _ever_
02:40 PM miss0r: uploading...
02:40 PM XXCoder: vibrating engraver is that what they call it now? used to be massager ;)
02:40 PM miss0r: https://imgur.com/a/i4d44oB
02:41 PM fragalot_: holy crap that does belong in a museum
02:41 PM miss0r: XXCoder: I think you are talking about the 'low power' one :P
02:41 PM XXCoder: wow wood case and everything
02:41 PM XXCoder: lol
02:41 PM miss0r: Yeah. wooden handle as well
02:41 PM Tom_L: that looks dangerous :D
02:41 PM miss0r: nah nah nah... Don't worrie about it
02:42 PM miss0r: Safety was peaking in the '60s
02:42 PM miss0r: Theres a small transformer in that box, so its not that dangerous
02:42 PM Tom_L: reminds me of those x-ray shoe fit machines
02:42 PM Tom_L: Fluoroscope
02:43 PM miss0r: :D
02:43 PM XXCoder: bah my eyes is burning
02:43 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVlEXd9w7vk
02:43 PM XXCoder: damn smoke
02:43 PM miss0r: hardly the same level of complexity
02:43 PM Tom_L: heh true, it just reminded me...
02:44 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: lol I remember those
02:44 PM XXCoder: dont think I ever used one though
02:44 PM XXCoder: only saw one in my life
02:44 PM miss0r: sounds realy safe :D
02:45 PM Tom_L: Dr Scholls is still around too
02:45 PM miss0r: fragalot_: So should I bring it to you on my road trip? :D
02:45 PM XXCoder: ya know
02:45 PM fragalot_: miss0r: Hell no. :D
02:45 PM XXCoder: we can make one like that again
02:45 PM XXCoder: only no xrays
02:45 PM XXCoder: just backscatter ultrasonics
02:45 PM miss0r: ahh, thats a yes ! :D
02:47 PM JT-Shop: I guess that is what you get when you change how your making a part and come back to it months later and try to make a part with partway cam
02:48 PM Tom_L: i've collected a few paper weights over time as well
02:50 PM fragalot_: all my parts turn out perfect
02:50 PM fragalot_: not always according to plan
02:50 PM fragalot_: but perfect nonetheless
02:50 PM miss0r: spoken like a true abstract artist!
02:50 PM miss0r: :D
02:51 PM fragalot_: :D
02:51 PM miss0r: Married, with children. You gotta love Al bundy :] I just stumbled across a video of his best insults: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgDtgyzVZYk
02:51 PM miss0r: haha
02:51 PM XXCoder: aww not captioned
02:51 PM XXCoder: I liked that show. dumb show but..
02:52 PM miss0r: hehe it was great :D
02:53 PM XXCoder: 6 year old video has comments happening hours ago.
02:55 PM miss0r: hehe 5:30 -> end
03:01 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Boxes.jpg
03:01 PM Tom_L: for a couple bux
03:01 PM Tom_L: they had bigger ones but i was afte small parts boxes
03:02 PM fragalot_: i've got loads of alu boxes made by my grandfather... 5mm wall thickness and they don't stack at all
03:02 PM fragalot_: about that size you have
03:03 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: looks like punched type boxes
03:03 PM XXCoder: pretty cool
03:19 PM fragalot: rain! precious rain!
03:19 PM fragalot: rain! precious rain!
03:21 PM XXCoder: lol
03:21 PM XXCoder: doubt it will rain here but in least its nice and cloudy
03:32 PM XXCoder: interesting https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/08/researchers-develop-device-to-aid-in-hunt-for-stealthy-atm-card-skimmers/
03:33 PM XXCoder: hope that will evenually make skimmers almost impossible, but im sure they will find a way anyway
03:37 PM fragalot: There is ALWAYS a way
03:41 PM XXCoder: indeed
03:42 PM XXCoder: just harder
03:52 PM jesseg: miss0r, sorry for late response - ran to help a friend with a lawnmower and weedeater - my curiosity with g code arcs is because I'm writing replacement firmware for one of those Cricut stencil cutter units - and I'm making it decode essential gcodes. And the R based arc is kind of limited because it gets dicey if you want to do a full circle in a single gcode :P
03:54 PM Tom_L: iirc on the boss5 we had to do 4 quadrant arcs
03:55 PM Tom_L: or it would take off in another direction
03:55 PM jesseg: lol
04:13 PM Deejay: gn8
05:19 PM jesseg: 1 / 1 2
05:19 PM jesseg: "
05:19 PM jesseg: x1/4
05:19 PM jesseg: "
05:19 PM jesseg: x4
05:19 PM jesseg: ugh sorry.
05:19 PM jesseg: that was one line from a PDF
05:20 PM jesseg: but anyone have any idea what it means?
05:20 PM jesseg: it's the description for a spacer ring or sleeve or something in my mill head
05:21 PM jesseg: Supposed to look more like 1 / 1 2" x 1/4" x4
05:27 PM jesseg: It's item 47 on page 12-5 https://www.atrump.com/images/tech_support/05%20Manual%20download/mill/K2V%20Operating%20Manual.pdf
05:27 PM jesseg: and I'm trying to figure out what size it's supposed to see so I can tell if it's a part I have, or a part that is missing.
05:28 PM jesseg: There are two spacer rings that I have that go on that shaft, but I'm not sure if one of them is #47.
05:29 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev or Wolf__ , if you might have any suggestions I'd be most grateful!
05:29 PM jesseg: I did get in the new spindle hub #45 -- and it's longer than the old one -- which is good, because I thought it should be -- but now I'm wondering if there's a missing spacer on the extra length :D
07:33 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-vertical-milling-center-55-table/201871869576
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: Spindle speeds up to....6000 RPM
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: Tool change time (tool to tool)...... 5 SECONDS
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: both considered slow these days
07:56 PM {HD}: Wolf__: I made my board today and the spray paint won’t come off. I tried to use acetone and a qtip to remove the paint just from the pads but when that didn’t work I just scrubbed the board with acetone and that didn’t work either.
07:56 PM {HD}: Maybe I need weaker spraypaint or a stronger solvent.
07:56 PM Tom_L: what kind of paint was it?
08:00 PM {HD}: Rustolem something or other
08:08 PM {HD}: I have some stripeeez I just hope it doesn’t melt the fiberglass stuffs.
08:08 PM CaptHindsight: try lacquer thinner or MEK
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: is it a single part urethane by chance?
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: or epoxy?
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: also try Xylene
08:10 PM {HD}: The paint? I don’t think so. I thought it was just flat black but it was an old can...
08:10 PM CaptHindsight: acetone is great for fast dry and thinning
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: but it's not the most aggressive
08:13 PM {HD}: I just plopped it in a container with some acetone to sit overnight since I could’t find the strupeez
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: in case it's nail polish remover it's not 99% acetone
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: so will be even poorer
08:16 PM Rab: {HD}, aerosol brake parts cleaner will cut through just about anything, and doesn't leave a residue. Carb cleaner is a little more aggressive, a little less clean.
08:17 PM {HD}: I do have some chlorinated disc brake cleaner but that’s some pretty nasty stuff.
08:17 PM {HD}: I’ll see if it has softened up by the morning. And it is straight acetone I don’t have any fingernail polish remover laying around. LOL
08:19 PM CaptHindsight: it's mostly IPA with acetone and whatever is cheap when they make it
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: but they also want that with a very high vapor pressure for quick drying
09:59 PM jesseg: Well... $1160 of parts for my mill have now arrived, now I just need to put them in :P
09:59 PM jesseg: I guess the guy who had my mill before me thrashed it for fair