#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 14 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:43 AM Deejay: moin
05:01 AM jthornton: morning
05:12 AM jthornton: .weather
05:12 AM jthornton: hmm the cockerel is off line
05:12 AM XXCoder: aww
05:12 AM XXCoder: hey
05:12 AM jthornton: hey
05:12 AM XXCoder: tomorrow is going to be nightmare
05:13 AM XXCoder: 90f but humidity at high level, AND high smoke levels
05:13 AM jthornton: 70% chance of T storms today
05:13 AM jthornton: 73F 100% here
05:13 AM XXCoder: ow
05:13 AM jthornton: wow our high is only 80F today
05:14 AM XXCoder: 90f 90%, and smoke
05:14 AM XXCoder: smoke here is so bad its like fog
05:14 AM XXCoder: but its not
05:14 AM jthornton: smoke from forest fires?
05:14 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:14 AM XXCoder: it already stopped I think
05:14 AM XXCoder: but smoke dont just disappear like in game or something lol
05:16 AM jthornton: installing debian 9 again this morning, I finally figured out the linuxcnc repos lol
05:17 AM XXCoder: yay :)
05:17 AM XXCoder: ugh monday will be hot hell so far. I hope they correct it down to 80s
05:20 AM jthornton: I started building cat bypass pipes for the Can Am Spyder Friday, I need to make 25 or so quick
05:20 AM jthornton: http://spyderstore.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_67&product_id=78
05:21 AM XXCoder: isnt those less than legal
05:22 AM jthornton: I think that depends on the state, most motorcycles don't have them
05:23 AM XXCoder: interesting. I was thinking cars lol
05:23 AM XXCoder: but then url should have been a hint
05:23 AM jthornton: http://spyderstore.com/index.php?route=common/home
05:23 AM jthornton: main page
05:23 AM XXCoder: ya know of that
05:23 AM XXCoder: just didnt read full url lol
05:24 AM jthornton: that's the one I have but my trailer color is a different shade of blue
05:25 AM XXCoder: cool :)
05:25 AM jthornton: trailer is 2010 and the bike is 2012
05:25 AM XXCoder: all I want is elio, but porobably finally get one by 2020
05:25 AM jthornton: how are they doing?
05:26 AM XXCoder: dunno, been quiet
05:26 AM XXCoder: just hope they dont fail.
05:26 AM jthornton: sounds like I've caught another coon on the deck... they just keep coming
05:28 AM Tom_L: are they after the eggs?
05:29 AM jthornton: no, there are never any eggs outside at night
05:30 AM jthornton: caught a huge one yesterday
05:31 AM Tom_L: we had the storm last evening. nice heavy downpour
05:31 AM jthornton: once a coon starts coming on your deck they keep coming back and crapping all over
05:32 AM Tom_L: you get any canadian geese there?
05:32 AM Tom_L: they're all over the place here
05:32 AM jthornton: we have some but they prefer the flat land
05:33 AM jthornton: looks like a pretty good cell of rain to the southwest of me in north west arkansas
05:34 AM jthornton: got some low spots in the chicken yard I'm trying to fill up, have to haul it in with a wheelbarrow
05:36 AM jthornton: installing debian 9 for the millionth time lol
05:48 AM jthornton: my neighbor has been having a problem with coons eating eggs at night
05:50 AM Loetmichel: coons being intelligent enough to open the coop doors?
05:51 AM jthornton: she is a little lax on doors but yea a coon can open some doors
05:51 AM jthornton: her coops are more of a free form, whatever she has is a coop
05:51 AM jthornton: a lot of her birds roost in the trees
05:52 AM Loetmichel: i imagine that being "fun" when searching the eggs anyways ;)
05:53 AM jthornton: yea she has to do an easter egg hunt every day lol
05:54 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens/nestbox/nest-box-cam-03.jpg
05:54 AM jthornton: I see mine when they roll out lol
06:26 AM fragalot: Hey
06:29 AM jthornton: hey
06:30 AM XXCoder: I wonder if coons could be fooled with fake handles
06:32 AM fragalot: just give them cotton candy until they get depressed
06:33 AM XXCoder: lol
06:37 AM jthornton: connect 240v to the inside so when they pull the handle down they get shocked
06:42 AM XXCoder: till some human walks in and get shocked also
06:42 AM jthornton: bet they don't do it twice
06:43 AM fragalot: don't forget the saline bath
06:43 AM fragalot: actually, liquidized sand could be fun
06:44 AM fragalot: put air hoses underneath a sand pit that's about 1m deep
06:44 AM fragalot: if the handle is touched, switch on the air for 2 seconds
06:44 AM jthornton: now that sounds like more fun than watching a dog touch the hot wire with his nose
06:45 AM fragalot: :D
07:23 AM jthornton: finally got the test connection to 7i96 working... time to start my day
07:47 AM JT-Shop: some guy from Iran wants to purchase a card from me...
07:52 AM elmo40: JT-Shop, what are shipping costs to Iran?
08:03 AM fragalot: JT-Shop: contrary to popular belief, they are people too :P
08:04 AM JT-Shop: elmo40: don't know
08:05 AM JT-Shop: fragalot: yes but I wonder if USPS ships to Iran
08:05 AM fragalot: easy enough to find out
08:09 AM JT-Shop: yea, I'll look when it starts raining... got some outside chores to get done first
10:11 AM Simonious: Man I get frustrated with solidworks.. my version can't even apply an image to a face.
10:13 AM MrHindsight: JT-Shop: check the embargo list, the EU opened up trade back to Iran, not sure if the Mesa card is eligible
10:18 AM holzjunkie1: moin / hy @all
10:34 AM JT-Shop: MrHindsight: thanks
10:52 AM ziper: someone stole the files with my die filer
10:52 AM ziper: are they supposed to cut on the pull stroke?
10:53 AM ziper: I guess I could just put a regular file in upside down
11:02 AM Deejay: hmm, spooky. freenode said, cannot change nick while banned...
11:32 AM jesseg: Deejay, that might mean that un-registered nicks would be banned, and by changing nicks it would no longer see you as a registered nick?
11:36 AM fragalot: unless if the nick is linked
11:52 AM dasbrow: Hello all, this newbie could use a little clarity. I would like to dump my cheap Chinese 5 axis cnc board and upgoraddowne to maybe a mesa card. It would be nice to keep the cost down. Though my biggest issue is understanding which card I need, searching the forum I see a lot of this board + that board. Is there a single board solution that still uses the parallel port?
11:55 AM fragalot: JT-Shop: dasbrow needs ya :-)
11:55 AM * fragalot away!
11:57 AM jdh: 7i43 + 1 or 2 daughterboards
11:57 AM jdh: so, not really
11:59 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i never shipped to Iran fwiw
11:59 AM dasbrow: they have the 7i43 but it's USB,
12:00 PM dasbrow: sorry hit enter before I as done typing.
12:00 PM Tom_L: dasbrow is it a stepper system?
12:00 PM dasbrow: yes
12:00 PM Tom_L: skip the 7i43
12:00 PM Tom_L: 7i90 is what you want
12:00 PM Tom_L: cheaper with more IO
12:01 PM Tom_L: and you will probalby want a daughter card for it
12:01 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure pcw even pushes the 7i43 anymore although it's probably still available
12:01 PM dasbrow: would the 7i90hd work?
12:02 PM Tom_L: for a parallel port?
12:02 PM Tom_L: absolutely
12:02 PM Tom_L: i've got one on my mill
12:02 PM jdh: why?
12:02 PM Tom_L: if you want ethernet the 7i80 is basically the same card with ethernet instead of parallel port input
12:03 PM Tom_L: jdh why what?
12:03 PM JT-Shop: or if you don't have a lot of i/o a 7i96
12:03 PM jdh: why use a pport card in 2018
12:03 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: I sent him to eusurplus
12:03 PM Tom_L: because maybe you have an old pc that has one?
12:04 PM Tom_L: and it works fabulous for linuxcnc
12:04 PM Tom_L: why are we still using keyboards in 2018??
12:04 PM dasbrow: what else did you need to hook it up?
12:04 PM dasbrow: daughter card wise
12:04 PM Tom_L: i added a 7i47s card on mine but there are several that will work fine
12:05 PM JT-Shop: a 7i96 does not need a daughter card so the whole shebang is $120
12:05 PM Tom_L: the "S" adds analog spindle control
12:05 PM Tom_L: 7i96 one of his newest cards?
12:05 PM Tom_L: must be...
12:05 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=150
12:05 PM JT-Shop: aye
12:06 PM JT-Shop: a bit less i/o than the 7i76e
12:06 PM Tom_L: dasbrow how much IO do you need?
12:06 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, does it have a spindle option?
12:06 PM JT-Shop: so if you don't have more than 11 inputs and 5 outputs its $120 vs $200
12:07 PM JT-Shop: yes, you only have 4 stepgens with a pwm output
12:07 PM dasbrow: I currelty have 3 axis and will add a 4th down the road. spindle control would be nice since i am spending the money.
12:07 PM jdh: click and buy!
12:07 PM dasbrow: mesaus.com vs mesanet.com?
12:08 PM Tom_L: well i went with the 7i90 with a 7i47s card but there are more options available now
12:08 PM dasbrow: I am in Canada.
12:08 PM JT-Shop: I'm even writing a simple to understand 7i96 configuration tool
12:08 PM Tom_L: mesaus is a distributor
12:08 PM Tom_L: he knows his sheet
12:08 PM JT-Shop: I'm cheaper on shipping
12:08 PM Tom_L: and he may even be here if you look around
12:09 PM jdh: both of them
12:09 PM Tom_L: /s/he/they
12:09 PM JT-Shop: maybe more than once too
12:10 PM Tom_L: aparently it rained here this am too..
12:10 PM Tom_L: i was hiding so i didn't notice
12:11 PM dasbrow: do I need a daughter board for the 7I96e?
12:11 PM JT-Shop: we just got a shower
12:11 PM Tom_L: dasbrow aparently not
12:11 PM JT-Shop: dasbrow: it's a 7i96 and no you don't need anything else
12:11 PM Tom_L: but make sure it's got enough IO for you
12:11 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, does it have output for sserial?
12:12 PM Tom_L: differential pair
12:12 PM JT-Shop: yes so you can add i/o down the line
12:12 PM Tom_L: next issue is whether his PC will be fast enough to run preempt-rt
12:13 PM Tom_L: since it's an ethernet card
12:13 PM dasbrow: You were not joking when you said your shipping is cheaper. I could buy 2 boards for the price of their shipping.
12:13 PM JT-Shop: I only allow first class to countries that report back tracking
12:14 PM JT-Shop: canada is one that does
12:14 PM Tom_L: jt ships via pack mule. they work cheap
12:14 PM dasbrow: I have plenty of machines here. I will find one that works.
12:14 PM JT-Shop: dasbrow: https://github.com/jethornton/7i96
12:14 PM JT-Shop: the configuration tool
12:14 PM Tom_L: the 7i96 would probably do fine for you
12:15 PM * JT-Shop goes back to welding
12:17 PM hazzy-lab1 is now known as hazzy-lab
12:17 PM JT-Shop: hazzy-lab: !
12:17 PM dasbrow: Down the road if I need more i/o I can just add something like the 7i69?
12:17 PM Tom_L: add a sserial card for extended IO
12:17 PM Tom_L: not sure what the 7i69 is off hand
12:17 PM dasbrow: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=72&product_id=77
12:17 PM hazzy-lab: JT-Shop: Hey JT!
12:17 PM Tom_L: generally ppl put switches, buttons, pendants and other non time-critical functions on the sserial
12:18 PM dasbrow: I have a usb pendant.
12:19 PM Tom_L: you won't be using USB with linuxcnc unless somebody has a USB pendant already
12:19 PM Tom_L: not sure about that
12:20 PM dasbrow: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
12:20 PM dasbrow: that's what I got.
12:21 PM Tom_L: it aparently has a HID component you can use. i've never used it
12:21 PM Tom_L: http://hidcomp.sourceforge.net/
12:22 PM Tom_L: also saw that
12:22 PM dasbrow: That was easy to research haha, the control boards confused me :)
12:22 PM Tom_L: they're easy but we're here to help
12:23 PM dasbrow: the help is greatly appreciated.
12:24 PM dasbrow: Last question, with 6 outputs I should be able to do 6 axis if I wanted to correct?
12:24 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/hal_input.1.html
12:24 PM Tom_L: each axis reqires step and direction
12:24 PM Tom_L: and usually enable
12:26 PM JT-Shop: hazzy-lab: grab the latest and check out help about and test connection
12:27 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: I have a usb gamepad on the plasma to jog with
12:27 PM hazzy-lab: JT-Shop: I will!
12:28 PM Tom_L: shouldn't be a problem for him then
12:41 PM dasbrow: in my set up I have 5v going to step +, dir+, en+ then 1 pin for each dir- and step- going to the board, all the enables share a pin. Maybe I should spend the money on more IO
12:42 PM JT-Shop: the stepgen pins are separate from the i/o
12:42 PM JT-Shop: http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i96man.pdf
12:42 PM dasbrow: maybe I should rtfm
12:43 PM JT-Shop: lol
12:43 PM dasbrow: I see you were thinking the same thing.
12:43 PM dasbrow: haha
12:48 PM * JT-Shop gets back to making parts
12:55 PM JT-Shop: dasbrow: do you have a Linux PC now?
12:56 PM dasbrow: yes, the mill is all working at this point, have not made any chips yet. The cheap chinese board I received in the stepper kit has 2 dead ports already, I just don't want problems down the road.
12:56 PM dasbrow: pins
12:59 PM JT-Shop: download the configuration tool I wrote and give it a spin if you don't mind I can use some feedback
12:59 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/7i96
12:59 PM dasbrow: before or after I get the board?
01:00 PM dasbrow: I can change the firmware right?
01:01 PM dasbrow: eeww python haha
01:02 PM JT-Shop: you can run the configuration tool at any time
01:03 PM JT-Shop: yea you can change it, I flash the correct firmware based on the choice you make
01:04 PM dasbrow: just checking out, mesaus.com is your store?
01:04 PM JT-Shop: aye
01:05 PM JT-Shop: you program in C or C++?
01:05 PM dasbrow: does first class shipping include tracking?
01:05 PM JT-Shop: yes
01:07 PM dasbrow: C, C++, Java, mostly php now - I do all web apps now and some stm32 arm stuff. Python is fine, I was just kidding. It's not in JAVA - i have java ptsd from a project I support.
01:07 PM JT-Shop: cool
01:08 PM dasbrow: ordered, thanks for your help - it hurt the Canadian dollar sucks!
01:09 PM fragalot: :P
01:09 PM JT-Shop: I will ship it in the morning past pickup time today
01:13 PM dasbrow: Awesome!
01:15 PM JT-Shop: if you have any issues or comments on the program raise and issue here https://github.com/jethornton/7i96/issues
01:15 PM dasbrow: Will do.
01:15 PM JT-Shop: thanks
01:25 PM holzjunkie1: JT-Shop: hy JT do you know hov to order the stmbl Servo driver ???
01:25 PM holzjunkie1: ist es aber leider nicht
01:33 PM Tom_L: holzjunkie1, i'd talk to rene-dev
01:33 PM Tom_L: i think that's his puppy
01:34 PM Tom_L: i think they're running low on a chip that is now obsolete and looking for a replacement to update the board
01:43 PM JT-Shop: yep
02:07 PM fragalot: robrenz is at it again being ridiculously good at getting the details right
02:46 PM XXCoder: looks like hot day have been cancelled
02:46 PM XXCoder: smoke made more clouds I guess so its partially cloudy, cooling things down
03:08 PM JT-Shop: nice
03:11 PM JT-Shop: supposed to rain all week here
03:13 PM XXCoder: kinda nice, smoke is quite bad but in least its not obessively hot
03:13 PM XXCoder: next week seems to be obessively hot though. ugh
03:13 PM XXCoder: its times like those that it sucks to have cold weather type body
03:41 PM Contract_Pilot: Sup..
03:41 PM fragalot: hey
03:44 PM Contract_Pilot: Interesting Photos of the new Tormach M Series Board. Using the Integrated Ethernet Mesa Card. http://www.stevenrhine.com/TEBOB/Ethernet%20BOB1.jpg
03:45 PM Contract_Pilot: From the looks of the al file look to work for both the mill and the lathe 1 bord.
03:50 PM Tom_L: more rain on the way
04:02 PM Deejay: gn8
04:20 PM Tom_L: has anybody ordered HIWIN rail by itself?
04:27 PM robotustra: rails only?
04:27 PM Tom_L: yeah, i'm considering making my Z rails longer
04:27 PM Tom_L: and that's the only part i'd need to replace
04:29 PM robotustra: https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Hiwin-HGR20R-Linear-Guideway-Rail-HGR20-Series-up-to-4000mm-Long/182458780338?hash=item2a7b640ab2%3Am%3AmGN5ZlZ2hHwj90lKdpe-KZQ&var=485036537456&_sacat=0&_nkw=hiwin+rail&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC0.A0.H0.Xhiwin+rail.TRS0
04:30 PM robotustra: looks like you can order rails only
04:31 PM Tom_L: i wonder if they're all the same or if they have different series besides the 20mm 25mm width dimension
04:31 PM Tom_L: etc
04:31 PM Tom_L: dimension wise, if i get a 20mm rail will the dimensions match what i have
04:31 PM Tom_L: i assume they have different series
04:32 PM JT-Shop: 2 1/4" muffler clamp Amazon $7... auto zone $3
04:32 PM Tom_L: i know the trucks come in different pad sizes but i'm not sure if the rail is all the same or not
04:33 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, ever try rockauto?
04:58 PM robotustra: I think 99% that all of them quite consistent in sizes
05:09 PM jthornton: Tom_L: never heard of it
05:11 PM jthornton: they don't seem to have exhaust clamps
05:31 PM nallar is now known as Ross
05:36 PM Tom_L: jthornton, it's a good place to get auto parts
05:36 PM Tom_L: same brands, cheaper
05:36 PM jthornton: I'll keep that in mind
05:36 PM Tom_L: i've got some parts sitting here on my desk waiting for somebody to come along and install em :)
05:36 PM jthornton: lol
05:37 PM jthornton: it won't be me I'm back logged forever
05:37 PM Tom_L: a friend here told me about em and i've also talked to ppl online that use em
05:39 PM jthornton: hmm once I start collecting social security checks I need to limit my reported income to $17,040
05:47 PM Tom_L: kinda a bitch ya gotta pay taxes on the SS part too
05:48 PM jthornton: yea, it's a whole new world at 65
05:48 PM Tom_L: those _were_ taxes i paid in...
05:48 PM Tom_L: so now ya gotta pay to get em back too
05:48 PM jthornton: yup
05:49 PM Tom_L: you still gonna keep doin what you do though right?
05:49 PM jthornton: and those ira's you stashed away you have to pay the new higher tax rates on them when you cash out
05:49 PM jthornton: Gene is my hero, I'll never quit working
05:50 PM jthornton: lol I'd go bonkers if I didn't have problems to solve
05:50 PM Tom_L: my bud with the machine shop probably won't either
05:50 PM Tom_L: he still does jobs for the guys that bought it
05:51 PM Tom_L: he kept his manual mill, lathe and one cnc
05:51 PM jthornton: on the side?
05:51 PM Tom_L: i dunno, it supports his racecar habit
05:51 PM jthornton: lol
05:52 PM Tom_L: he's gotta be pushin 70 now
05:52 PM jthornton: that's not that old lol
05:52 PM Tom_L: 74 if i did the math right
05:53 PM Tom_L: he doesn't need to work, i think he just does it to stay busy and alert
05:54 PM jthornton: yep I can relate
05:55 PM Tom_L: his dad used to refurbish steerman planes
05:56 PM Tom_L: had one of the largest parts stocks in the US for them
05:56 PM jthornton: dang
05:57 PM Tom_L: he had a hangar full of parts and planes in various stages
05:57 PM jthornton: there is or was a grass strip between Mobile and Pascgoula called the Idle Hour and it had parts for WW1 aircraft
05:57 PM Tom_L: one of his buddies had some experimental aircraft there but i dunno what it was
05:57 PM jthornton: kinda neat to fly over and look
05:57 PM Tom_L: yeah
05:58 PM Tom_L: he used to get tank engines for parts
05:58 PM Tom_L: i guess they used the same engines
05:58 PM jthornton: didn't know that
05:59 PM Tom_L: me either but that's what Steve told me
06:02 PM jthornton: time to wander upstairs and chill
06:08 PM Tom_L: https://www.quora.com/Why-did-America-use-radial-engines-in-Shermans
07:40 PM flyback: https://www.sparkfun.com/news/2738
07:51 PM MrHindsight: tariffs shmariffs
08:00 PM nallar is now known as Ross
08:01 PM skunkworks: it is great when you have to totally disasemble a refurbished laptop because it wasn't refurbished...
08:03 PM skunkworks: find out if I fixed it.. It kept throwing thermal alarms. it was obvious that the heatksink compound was 2 different types
08:03 PM skunkworks: a dried crustier under a newer white :)
08:03 PM MrHindsight: silver paste and low fat cream cheese
08:05 PM skunkworks: so far so good... If I would stress it - it was pretty consistant. it would recover but it was like the inital temp rise was too fast
08:15 PM MrHindsight: if you need lots of thermal paste I find jars of it on ebay for pretty cheap
08:15 PM MrHindsight: high in silver or aluminum
08:18 PM skunkworks: yah - I just bought a tub of it for work from newegg
08:19 PM skunkworks: think that was it..
08:19 PM skunkworks: yay
08:20 PM skunkworks: didn't want to send this thing back
08:21 PM Tom_L: anbody order from carbideprobes.com?
08:22 PM justan0theruser is now known as justanotheruser
08:38 PM Crom_: just got my NEMA17 integrated closed loop steppers from jmc-motors.com
08:38 PM Crom_: 0.5Nm
08:47 PM elmo40: that is tiny
08:47 PM elmo40: what are they for? 3D printer?
08:48 PM MrHindsight: micromilling
08:51 PM justan0theruser is now known as justanotheruser
08:51 PM elmo40: Colchester 2500 lathe. Possible to convert to CNC ?
08:54 PM elmo40: has a nice headstock. Belt driven gearbox.
08:54 PM elmo40: http://www.lathes.co.uk/colchester/page18.html
08:55 PM elmo40: should the guts be removed and go direct with a servo? i do need to produce threads.
08:56 PM elmo40: i suppose that is turning it 100% CNC controlled. No more manual controls until I add MPGs for X&Z
09:21 PM flyback: I went to ollies today and got a $5 wifi recepticle, after I confirm it's working, going to open it to find out the soc, mabye they can be hacked to be fairly secure and $5 remotr power kill for devices that don't have remote management
09:30 PM flyback: I plan to
09:30 PM flyback: also
09:30 PM * flyback craps at Tom_L's feet
10:53 PM Roguish: Tom_L: hey, that Carbideprobe.com place looks very good.
10:55 PM Tom_L: yeah i almost ordered from them when i made my touch probe
10:56 PM Tom_L: broke a tip today so i had to get something
10:57 PM Tom_L: they don't offer USPS though so shipping was more than it could have been
11:00 PM Roguish: I found another place. link is on other laptop. i'll get it tomorrow morning.
11:01 PM Roguish: the link, that is.
11:01 PM Roguish: bbitm (be back in the morning.....)
11:04 PM Tom_L: ok
11:05 PM Tom_L: https://www.cmms.com/
11:06 PM Tom_L: not that one was it?
11:34 PM flyback: only paid $5 at ollies and they have tons more
11:34 PM flyback: since I had to spend 2-3 hrs fixing my steam vaporizer
11:34 PM flyback: the dissembly of this will have to wait till tomarrow night
11:34 PM flyback: https://www.ebay.com/itm/iCraig-Smart-Socket-Built-In-WiFi-Compatible-With-Smartphones-CSH301-Sealed-Box-/25265502121
11:36 PM flyback: https://craigelectronics.net/product/craig-smart-home-socket/