#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 04 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM `Wolf: he has a fun mess of stuff over there for sure lol
12:04 AM jesseg: sounds like it
12:04 AM `Wolf: like I figured out the other day that he has a 4’ stack of deltronic plug gages sitting there
12:05 AM jesseg: cool
12:06 AM `Wolf: which I really want plug gages and missed them at auction
12:10 AM jesseg: so were you able to get from him the plug gauges you need?
12:10 AM `Wolf: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-LATHE-MILL-Machinist-Set-of-Deltronic-Pin-Plugs-Gages-E-/401527216237
12:10 AM `Wolf: thats part of the reason I need to go over there
12:10 AM jesseg: Gotcha -- you were looking at photos and you seen what you wanted
12:10 AM `Wolf: he has a stack of these things ^ (random ebay link)
12:10 AM XXCoder: is those gauge rods?
12:10 AM jesseg: yeah gotcha
12:10 AM jesseg: is that so you can tell how big of a plug it'd take to ram into a hole and have it stay?
12:10 AM `Wolf: I didn’t know what they were when I saw them, then the other night was watching a oxtool vid and he was using a set lol
12:10 AM `Wolf: like gage pins
12:10 AM `Wolf: but its like 0.7500” then the set goes +/- in 0.00001 steps or something
12:10 AM jesseg: amazing.
12:10 AM XXCoder: whoa
12:10 AM jesseg: have to check the room temperature when using them lol
12:11 AM `Wolf: oh 0.0001
12:11 AM `Wolf: too many 0
12:11 AM XXCoder: what a dumbass https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/oregon-man-arrested-for-taunting-yellowstone-bison-in-viral-video/580342658
12:11 AM XXCoder: .0001" is TIGHT tol for gauge rod.
12:11 AM XXCoder: work oens vary by .0002" .0005" for larger rods
12:11 AM XXCoder: smaller ones .0002" or so
12:12 AM `Wolf: look at the set I linked, thats 1” with range of 0.9988-1.0012”
12:13 AM `Wolf: 25 pins lol
12:14 AM `Wolf: so it is 0.0001” steps
12:15 AM `Wolf: If I ever start doing real work I’m going to go broke getting everything certified lol
12:18 AM jesseg: that guy is crazy to get out of his car and charge such a big animal..
12:19 AM XXCoder: `Wolf: honestly start with your mics and calipers
12:19 AM jesseg: I wish the camera hadn't moved just as the animal went for him though
12:19 AM XXCoder: pins you can label "confirm with certified tool before use"
12:19 AM XXCoder: same for gauge blocks
12:19 AM `Wolf: i was just thinking that lol
12:19 AM XXCoder: that cuts a lot of expense
12:19 AM roycroft: that guy is from pendleton
12:20 AM roycroft: barely an oregonian
12:20 AM roycroft: almost an idahoan :)
12:20 AM XXCoder: so whats remaining is your dial test indictor, dial indictor, and height gauge
12:20 AM jesseg: you know I use these cheapo $14 chinese digital calipers because I'm a hobbiest. But I'm always surprised when I put them on a ball bearing and they often read exactly like 75.00mm
12:20 AM XXCoder: those should be enough for basics of certified stuff
12:20 AM XXCoder: jesseg: its pretty easy, though no certification, and no quantuees its temperate stable
12:21 AM `Wolf: my calipers and mic were still inside calibration date for the stickers on them when I got them lol
12:21 AM XXCoder: nice
12:21 AM jesseg: XXCoder, and I suppose there could be non-linearities that favor even mm readings too lol
12:22 AM XXCoder: my 1950s mic was certifced last at 2012 when I got it at 2016
12:22 AM jesseg: in the case of my cheap digital calipers
12:22 AM XXCoder: and MAN! its in GREAT shape.
12:22 AM XXCoder: I later bought 1980s one, it has QA engraved on it. I hope its due to shop closing and not walk out of shop
12:23 AM XXCoder: condition is virtually like new
12:24 AM `Wolf: guy I bought them off of was a tool maker at sandivc (0-1 mic, 6” mitu calipers and 0.0001” DTI )
12:27 AM `Wolf: and I spelled Sandvik wrong lol
12:30 AM XXCoder: nice
12:31 AM `Wolf: I have a crazy amount of metrology stuff piling up lol
12:31 AM jesseg: I'm pretty sure Heisenberg is living in my code.
12:32 AM jesseg: Problem vanishes when I put in some statements to help me troubleshoot LOL
12:32 AM `Wolf: lol
12:34 AM `Wolf: XXCoder: https://i.imgur.com/PSApHXY.jpg
12:34 AM XXCoder: ya remember that pic
12:35 AM XXCoder: pretty amazing
12:35 AM `Wolf: thats all the stuff I almost never use lol
12:37 AM `Wolf: still need to figure out what I’m going to use this die filer for
12:38 AM `Wolf: kinda wonder if I could use it as a micro biax scraper
12:58 AM XXCoder: dunno
12:58 AM `Wolf: guess only one way to find out lol
01:04 AM XXCoder: yeah
01:05 AM hazzy-lab: night all
01:05 AM XXCoder: night
01:14 AM jesseg: nighters hazzy-dev
02:13 AM Deejay: moin
02:18 AM jesseg: Good Morning
05:16 AM jthornton: morning
05:18 AM miss0r: mornin
05:18 AM miss0r: I just ordered an 8mm endmill with a total length of 150mm and also a 12mm one with the same length
05:19 AM miss0r: Apparently my local tool pusher did not have these lengths in 8mm.. So, ebay chinesium it is
05:25 AM SpeedEvil: Carbide?
06:09 AM miss0r: yeah
06:09 AM miss0r: SpeedEvil: ^
06:12 AM miss0r: I have been reading up on making a threading dial for my lathe. All I've found so far is that I need more than one dial for all the different metric threading options. :S So what I want to know: if I only ever want to be able to make a single start thread - should it not be possible to make a single dial for all the different pitches?
06:18 AM miss0r: I'll be back later.
06:21 AM varesa| is now known as varesa-
06:21 AM varesa- is now known as varesa|
06:34 AM miss0r: Don't you just love looking at "precision" stuff on ebay and read the following at the bottom: "Please allow 1-3cm errors due to manual measurement."
06:38 AM Deejay: yeah, its precisely 3cm off
06:38 AM miss0r: as long as you can count on it :P
06:38 AM miss0r: I was looking at a angle block set.
06:41 AM miss0r: Can any of you guys recommend a decent dividing head for chinesium prices?
07:03 AM fragalot: hey
07:05 AM sealive: hi all
07:09 AM sealive: varesa|, online
07:11 AM sealive: jesseg, the bugs love that heat
07:18 AM jelly-home is now known as jelly
07:44 AM SpeedEvil: miss0r: no idea.
08:08 AM jthornton: hazzy-dev: you around?
08:43 AM tiwake: https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph12666/91467.png
08:44 AM tiwake: is that the same latency that linuxCNC measures?
08:44 AM tiwake: actually probably not, because its a windows thing
08:45 AM tiwake: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12666/the-asrock-x470-taichi-ultimate-motherboard-review/5 at the bottom
08:47 AM tiwake: donno how meaningful those numbers are
08:50 AM pcw_home: Windows is not a RTOS so those numbers are probably averages
08:50 AM tiwake: right
08:50 AM tiwake: also it looks like they are just measuring audio
08:52 AM tiwake: don't have the X450, but I do have an AsRock X370 tachi and the same AsRock B350 gaming K4 listed
08:53 AM tiwake: the nice thing about AsRock is they give you ALL the firmware options for tweaking
08:57 AM tiwake: I should make a live USB of linuxCNC and measure some stuff on my B350 motherboard
09:11 AM tiwake: does coreboot help linuxCNC?
09:35 AM pcw_home: It might give you access to more controls than a simplified BIOs and perhaps disable ME on Intel MBs
09:51 AM * JT-Shop loves the Duo-Mite
09:52 AM sealive: hi all
09:52 AM sealive: its super heat here
09:52 AM hazzy-lab: hi Ichs
09:52 AM sealive: no wind at all
09:55 AM JT-Shop: hazzy-lab: took me a bit but I finally figured out how you did the group box :)
09:55 AM hazzy-lab: JT-Shop: excellent! Layouts can be kinda a pain to work with ...
09:55 AM sealive: if you group things it is quit easy to pattern
09:56 AM jesseg: Howdy sealive -- I just got up, saw your comment about the bugs liking the heat... what bugs? what heat?
09:57 AM enleth: what's the most common customary way to format a size of stock/goods/whatever in inches - 20"x30" or 20x30"?
09:58 AM jesseg: enleth, I think the latter
09:58 AM jesseg: but the former is OK too I think
09:58 AM jthornton: I would do 20" x 30' as the units might not be the same
09:58 AM sealive: jesseg, in your system
09:59 AM jesseg: sealive, LOL oh yeah.. except weather has been very mild here last few days
10:00 AM sealive: alphabet analytics now saying Linuxcnc has lost 91% since higest rate
10:00 AM sealive: on a 24hour scale
10:00 AM jesseg: but anyway I think I got them solved last night. I was assuming that an increment of an unsigned char was an atomic operation -- but on avr it's not, it's a load, increment, store -- and it was getting split (and modified) by an ISR call lol
10:00 AM robotustra: ьщктштп
10:00 AM robotustra: morning solly
10:00 AM * jthornton wanders off to get a proper ground around the gates for the hot wire
10:00 AM robotustra: sorry :)
10:00 AM sealive: jesseg, i solved a new operation on Freecad https://youtu.be/X38NpPuzeAA FIRST TEST
10:02 AM sealive: it will not find a way to the system but it can be done
10:03 AM jesseg: sealive, wow cool!
10:22 AM sealive: off trill ?
10:32 AM roycroft: do any of you folks do your own anodizing?
10:33 AM tester is now known as Guest78083
10:34 AM jthornton: I started to but never fired it up
10:35 AM roycroft: the process is pretty simple
10:35 AM jthornton: gathered up everything I needed including a water cooler
10:35 AM roycroft: i just wonder how consistent the results are with small batches
10:36 AM jthornton: from what I've read if your process is accurate the parts come out the same
10:36 AM roycroft: i got a quote on anodizing some prototype parts and it was a $90 minimum, and that's if they dye with whatever color they're using at the moment
10:36 AM roycroft: the key seems to be having a decent current-regulated power supply
10:37 AM jthornton: yea I get some parts anodized and there is a minimum charge
10:37 AM roycroft: i can probably put together an anodizing setup for <$300
10:38 AM jthornton: yea I have a nice one and an acid pump to circulate the acid with the old water fountain cooler to keep the acid temperature down
10:38 AM roycroft: which would be the cost of less than 4 prototypes
10:38 AM jthornton: I think I paid more than that for the power supply
10:38 AM roycroft: you easily can :)
10:39 AM roycroft: my initial parts will be ~1in square and ~28in long
10:39 AM roycroft: kind of an awkward size
10:39 AM roycroft: but i'm thinking i could make "tanks" out of pvc plumbing
10:41 AM roycroft: i'm not sure how i'd keep the dye baths warm if i'm using pfc tubing
10:41 AM roycroft: pvc
10:41 AM roycroft: but i did consider that i could use the hot liquor tank for my brew system, whose temperature i can regulate very closely
10:42 AM roycroft: fill it with water, and dip the dye tube into it
10:42 AM roycroft: if i'm careful none of the dye would ever leak out to conataminate the tank, so i'm not really concerned about that
10:42 AM jesseg: roycroft, I've never done aluminum, but I've experimented with titanium anodizing because you can get amazing colors based on what voltage you use.
10:44 AM jthornton: this is all the info I've gathered on anodizing http://gnipsel.com/files/anodizing/Anodizing.zip
10:44 AM roycroft: titanium wire is often used for aluminium anodizing
10:44 AM roycroft: thanks, jt!
10:45 AM jthornton: someplace I have a copy of moonlight anodizing book
10:50 AM hazzy-lab: hello Erik!
10:51 AM hazzy-lab: You have to register to be able to talk here, or you can join #hazzy
10:51 AM hazzy-lab: just type
10:51 AM hazzy-lab: "/join #hazzy"
10:51 AM hazzy-lab: without the ""s
10:52 AM roycroft: i have a 22L ultrasonic cleaner now that i keep filled with simple green, so cleaning/degreasing in preparation for anodizing is no problem for smaller parts
10:52 AM roycroft: i do know that preparation is everything for both anodizing and plating
11:00 AM jdh: https://i.imgur.com/7r5Xp9q.jpg
11:06 AM fragalot: hey
11:07 AM fragalot: jdh: guaranteed for life, IF you manage to return them, :P
11:07 AM fragalot: the 10mm always goes missing
11:07 AM anderx is now known as Guest17521
11:13 AM miss0r: fragalot: Have you completed your gibs?
11:13 AM roycroft: that zip file has exactly what i need, jt. thanks again!
11:16 AM fragalot: miss0r: I've completed one gib, the Y. but I'm not super happy with the results atm
11:17 AM miss0r: Whats wrong with it?
11:17 AM fragalot: at full travel towards me, where the table overhangs by like half it's length, it has .01mm play in it (happy with that), but at the other end, it's .04mm
11:18 AM fragalot: so.. Something is off still :P
11:18 AM miss0r: Well.. That amount of play is very much within specs on that size mill?
11:19 AM fragalot: yea, but..
11:19 AM miss0r: i know
11:19 AM fragalot: :Pµ
11:19 AM miss0r: :]
11:19 AM fragalot: https://photos.app.goo.gl/PG8Ukfh5Md115Wjo8
11:20 AM miss0r: I would expect better surface contact from you! :]
11:20 AM fragalot: https://photos.app.goo.gl/VHFdb2TiNTE8sLsQ6
11:20 AM miss0r: cute.
11:21 AM fragalot: for the static side, that's good enough. sliding side is slightly finer
11:21 AM miss0r: theres no such thing as 'good enough', Theres perfect or shit. Now wich one is it?
11:21 AM fragalot: but it doesn't make sense to go far above 20 points as the contact surface is just milled (granted, with a ground-like finish)
11:22 AM miss0r: yeah :]
11:22 AM fragalot: it's perfectly adequate for the POS it's going in :P
11:22 AM miss0r: Thats the spirit !
11:22 AM fragalot: the X however is going to be fun
11:22 AM miss0r: when you say fun, do you infact mean: pain in the a** ?
11:23 AM fragalot: this Y already took a full day because I either didn't measure the angle right on it when I drew it up, or the other guy made it longer but kept the dimensions at the edges
11:23 AM fragalot: and taking off .5mm on one end whilst keeping the other the same, and keeping it nice and parallel in the other direction takes a while
11:23 AM miss0r: haha
11:23 AM fragalot: if you can't machine it
11:24 AM fragalot: after bending it straight, of course
11:24 AM miss0r: lol
11:24 AM fragalot: the X gib is all catty wompus
11:24 AM miss0r: I'm sure the machine will end up nice!
11:24 AM miss0r: Don't loose faith man!
11:24 AM fragalot: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4f55TPYBr4YJF4Af9
11:24 AM fragalot: that's after I already took out most of the bend
11:24 AM fragalot: more to go, but I need to escape the heat for a while :P
11:25 AM Wolf__: I’m still waiting on my book so I can start learning how to do that stuff...
11:25 AM miss0r: wolf__: I've never read a book on scraping. I just started watching youtube
11:25 AM miss0r: Since then I've read some material on the matter.
11:25 AM fragalot: Wolf__: the only piece of advise I can give is: focus on area rather than points for far longer than you think you should.
11:26 AM miss0r: fragalot: I've got aircon in the shop :
11:26 AM fragalot: miss0r: asshole;
11:26 AM fragalot: :D
11:26 AM Wolf__: more so about keeping machine alignment
11:26 AM miss0r: fragalot: At the moment mine isn't sweating, how about yours?
11:26 AM fragalot: absolutely sodden
11:26 AM miss0r: xD
11:27 AM fragalot: miss0r: so.. I may have slipped yesterday
11:27 AM fragalot: and bought a peopoly moai
11:28 AM Wolf__: I get the concepts of making something flat and parallel, but doing that on the machine is a different story
11:28 AM fragalot: Wolf__: basically, it involves a lot of specialized jigs
11:28 AM fragalot: main thing is to keep common sense, and not make any mistakes. :-)
11:29 AM miss0r: fragalot: I assume that means you are moving back in with your parents, preferably in their basement
11:30 AM fragalot: hehe
11:30 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/Pop9vFT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/1r2OqUG.jpg probably not the best beginner project? lol
11:31 AM miss0r: And here I was thinking, you were trying to climb the evolutional ladder, not branch off on a short leaf
11:31 AM miss0r: :)
11:31 AM fragalot: Wolf__: that looks like it could use a lot of love
11:31 AM miss0r: wolf__: not the worst either. All the surfaces are accessable
11:31 AM Wolf__: yeah, table comes off easy
11:32 AM Wolf__: just drop the drive chain
11:32 AM miss0r: :]
11:32 AM miss0r: Back to the mill..
11:33 AM fragalot: miss0r: I figured my other 3D printer is ... 7 years old now? something like that?
11:33 AM miss0r: so?
11:33 AM fragalot: means it's written off and I need a 2nd one
11:33 AM fragalot: obviously
11:33 AM Wolf__: still annoyed that there is a richard king scraping class 5hrs away and I couldn’t make it =/
11:33 AM miss0r: haha.. alright :]
11:34 AM miss0r: I had to order two chinesium carbide endmills today
11:34 AM fragalot: 'had to' ?
11:34 AM fragalot: i've actually not had many problems with the chinese carbide endmills
11:34 AM miss0r: yeah. I needed them, and my local tool pusher didn't have'em
11:34 AM miss0r: 8x150 and 12x150
11:34 AM fragalot: as long as you don't expect them to all be within exact tolerances they actually work pretty well
11:35 AM miss0r: my own tool pusher didn't stock longer than 8x120 for some reason
11:35 AM miss0r: (because 8x150 is ridiculous)
11:35 AM fragalot: :P
11:35 AM miss0r: But I need it nontheless
11:35 AM fragalot: only 19D
11:35 AM miss0r: yeah, I better run that thing _SLOW_
11:35 AM miss0r: err: run light cuts only.
11:35 AM fragalot: or fast but low contact
11:35 AM miss0r: ;)
11:36 AM fragalot: can your mill even go high enough in RPM for an 8mm carbide endmill? :P
11:36 AM miss0r: Ofcorse it cant !
11:36 AM fragalot: miss0r: https://www.phantom.eu/nl-nl/volhardmetaal-schachtfrezen/twee-snijders/phantom-vhm-schachtfrees-2-snijder-extra-lang-32.750
11:36 AM miss0r: well, it can - but I need to keep the feed down ;)
11:37 AM fragalot: 6x150 :P
11:37 AM miss0r: I can do 4000rpm, which allows me to use down to 6mm 4 flute with some success. But using smaller endmills than that is just a pain
11:37 AM fragalot: they also do 4 flute if you want /SOME/ rigidit.. ah who am I kidding it's going to chatter like mad anyway :D
11:38 AM miss0r: for some reason 3x75 sounds more crazy to me.. :) but I have a few of those, and they do pretty well
11:38 AM miss0r: ye of little faith! Nothing a pair of ear protectors with build in MP3 player turned to max volume won't fix :D
11:38 AM fragalot: baha
11:39 AM miss0r: 'cause we all know, chatter is *ONLY* an acoustics issue
11:42 AM fragalot: miss0r: some solid advice:
11:42 AM fragalot: if it chatters
11:42 AM fragalot: go harder
11:43 AM miss0r: :D
11:43 AM fragalot: I guarantee if you go hard enough the noise will go away
11:43 AM miss0r: well, 'sometimes' that is exactly what is needed though.
11:44 AM miss0r: I look at it another way: theres a finite amount of noise in an endmill. To make it go away you can just push it hard enough to release it all in a BANG and have some nice silence afterwards
11:44 AM fragalot: Exactly.
11:45 AM Roguish: miss0r: good point. let the noise out. kinda like letting the magic smoke out of electronics.
11:46 AM miss0r: yeah :)
11:50 AM sealive: hi
11:50 AM fragalot: Hi
12:00 PM sealive: monday is school start the teatchers are asking in
12:01 PM sealive: can we PLEASE make a advice on the cnc you created during Holiday
12:01 PM fragalot: ?
12:02 PM sealive: the principels informed the teatchers by mail on the new system updates they insrtalled
12:02 PM sealive: and some panic the changes
12:03 PM sealive: i wrote back make theory not pratice
12:06 PM sealive: im off starting BBq firer today personly as major is not in town
12:06 PM sealive: GN8
12:13 PM miss0r: wtf just happened?
12:14 PM fragalot: Ich's gave us a status update
12:14 PM jesseg: I think that's what happens when one is overcome by the urge to light the general's grill.
12:28 PM jesseg: Yikes. $84 for new break shoe for my mill head? what if I just glue on some heavy duty boot leather that's the right thickness? LOL.
12:28 PM jesseg: or maybe I could get break shoes for a geo metro and trim them down LOL
12:38 PM miss0r: Hello. My name is miss0r, and I use cardboard as softjaws.
12:38 PM hazzy-lab: lol
12:38 PM hazzy-lab: me too
12:39 PM miss0r: 1. Awareness and Early Acknowledgement
12:39 PM miss0r: :]
12:39 PM miss0r: Just make damn sure your operation is complete before the cardboard starts to slip apart :D
12:39 PM roycroft: i use leather soft jaws in my woodworking vises
12:39 PM fragalot: same
12:39 PM roycroft: that might work for metals as well
12:39 PM roycroft: if you're holding something soft like brass or aluminium
12:39 PM fragalot: i'm also using leather in my engineers vice
12:43 PM miss0r: Fucking serial connection!
12:43 PM miss0r: excuse my french
12:43 PM miss0r: I always look at the cnc controller when I started a transfer, just to see if it has started receiving. I didn't do that now - and it wasn't recieving anything. So, I waited all of 12 minuts for the code to transfer, only to find nothing on the receiving end!
12:43 PM miss0r: *sigh*
12:43 PM fragalot: mod it so it plays dial-up modem sounds during transfer
12:43 PM fragalot: the baud rate is low enough for it to do that ifyou just connect a speaker....
12:44 PM miss0r: No kidding :)
12:44 PM miss0r: I actualy managed to up the speed from 2400baud to 4800
12:44 PM miss0r: Only to find the controller can't eat the data any faster than it already was :D
12:45 PM miss0r: Anyway, now it should run. brb
12:45 PM kolik is now known as robotustra
12:46 PM Roguish: miss0r: actually 'fuck' is very old english, from as far back as 1400's. more over now, it's pretty universal.
12:48 PM jesseg: so would that be like "Please pardon my old English" lol
12:49 PM Roguish: one of George Carlin's 7 words.............
01:00 PM miss0r: :D
01:00 PM miss0r: next time i'll go for merde
02:44 PM `Wolf: jesseg: checking on them bearings in about a hour
02:53 PM skunkworks: thank goodness for vacuum cleaners when cutting cast iron...
02:58 PM hazzy-lab: logs
02:58 PM logs: hazzy-lab: today's log: http://irc-logs.kcjengr.com/%23linuxcnc/2018/08/04.html
02:58 PM hazzy-lab: hi
03:01 PM skunkworks: Hi
03:03 PM hazzy-lab: Lcvette[m]: can you talk?
03:03 PM hazzy-lab: or are you dumb?
03:03 PM hazzy-lab: lol
03:04 PM hazzy-lab: you need to register the matrix nick
03:04 PM XXCoder: [m] makes me think guys using some web client. not sure if can register nick and such
03:05 PM hazzy-lab: XXCoder: yeah, it is matrix
03:05 PM XXCoder: ah
03:06 PM hazzy-lab: there has to be some way to register, but I cant figure it out
03:06 PM hazzy-lab: I finally got my log bot registered, that was a pain
03:06 PM XXCoder: I love it. https://teechip.com/th-not-flat-2?retailProductCode=C4BE4D3953B5E2-7E4186E1FA31-SMC7-S43-ROY
03:06 PM hazzy-lab: lol
03:09 PM XXCoder: someone liked my reply in fb, and I orginially posted it 5 weeks ago. lol
03:12 PM hazzy-m: test from the matrix
03:12 PM hazzy-lab: hurray!
03:12 PM XXCoder: why hurray?
03:13 PM XXCoder: 5 weeks reponese is bit strange on fb
03:13 PM hazzy-lab: I got matrix to identify with as me
03:13 PM XXCoder: drat was trying to make you think your register didnt work
03:13 PM XXCoder: :)
03:14 PM XXCoder: looks like still lots bots attacking freenode
03:16 PM hazzy-lab: XXCoder: lol
03:16 PM hazzy-lab: yes, the #pyqt chan is completely inundated with spam
03:17 PM XXCoder: go in #freenode and report it, one of admins will enter there and that person has automated kickban
03:17 PM XXCoder: so it will still get spam but cut much shorter
03:17 PM XXCoder: best can do till op can quiet on unregistered
03:18 PM jesseg: `Wolf, great! Thank you so much!
03:18 PM jesseg: I've been outside trying to rig up my GPS guided sprinkler robot from a couple years ago.
03:18 PM hazzy-lab: XXCoder: thanks! will do
03:19 PM XXCoder: no problem
03:20 PM XXCoder: you wont be able to see others (nonadmins) talk so just explain a bit and admin will see it
03:20 PM XXCoder: cant say hi to you there because of this lol
03:22 PM XXCoder: Couple of scientists had kids, they named one Justin and other one Control
03:22 PM XXCoder: *twins
03:26 PM hazzy-lab: lol
03:30 PM Lcvette[m]: hello
03:30 PM hazzy-lab: hurray!
03:30 PM XXCoder: yay
03:30 PM Lcvette[m]: hurray!!!
03:30 PM Lcvette[m]: hahaha
03:30 PM Lcvette[m]: \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
03:33 PM XXCoder: wow lcv turned into quantnt and all 5 cheered
03:34 PM Lcvette[m]: that represents my code-fu belt level
03:34 PM Lcvette[m]: waaaaa
03:35 PM Lcvette[m]: what im neglecting to tell is that the scale is global population....lol
03:36 PM XXCoder: so youre saying youre better than total of 5 people in world?
03:36 PM XXCoder: man youre underrating yourself
03:37 PM Lcvette[m]: hahaha
03:37 PM Lcvette[m]: perhaps maybe i code at a 5 year old level then
03:38 PM Lcvette[m]: i don't really code at all
03:38 PM hazzy-lab: hahaha
03:38 PM hazzy-lab: yes you do to!
03:38 PM hazzy-lab: c'mon man
03:38 PM Lcvette[m]: i ask hazzy how to do somethign and he say paste this there
03:38 PM Lcvette[m]: lol
03:39 PM Lcvette[m]: maybe a little
03:39 PM Lcvette[m]: but only small things
03:39 PM Lcvette[m]: graphics
03:39 PM Lcvette[m]: stuff
03:39 PM Lcvette[m]: qss stuff
03:39 PM Lcvette[m]: getting the hang of that a bit
03:40 PM Lcvette[m]: qtdesigner 5 and some qss commands
03:40 PM Lcvette[m]: in the stylesheet
03:40 PM hazzy-lab: remember, a week ago you refused to ever even try to learn QSS ..
03:40 PM hazzy-lab: much progress
03:40 PM hazzy-lab: lol
03:40 PM Lcvette[m]: but thats all thanks to Hazzy's expert tutaledge
03:40 PM Lcvette[m]: indeed
03:45 PM XXCoder: :)
03:46 PM XXCoder: hazzy-lab: that channel better now?
03:47 PM hazzy-lab: Much better!
03:47 PM hazzy-lab: Vengeance is sweet
03:47 PM XXCoder: :)
03:47 PM hazzy-lab: thank you, I should have done that sooner
03:49 PM XXCoder: no problem
03:55 PM Lcvette[m]: xxcoder did you get a motor too
03:55 PM XXCoder: motor for what?
03:56 PM Lcvette[m]: sorry thought you and hazzy were talking about motors
03:56 PM CaptHindsight: I had tutaledge once...
03:56 PM XXCoder: oh its about other channel that was being hammered hard with spammers
03:57 PM Lcvette[m]: but that was wolf
03:57 PM hazzy-lab: Lcvette[m]: Yes, `Wolf got two!
03:57 PM Lcvette[m]: nice!
03:57 PM gregcnc: anyone have some Festo CPA10-M1H-5JS laying around?
03:57 PM hazzy-lab: over achiever
03:58 PM Lcvette[m]: i grabbed one a while back just because the price was awesome, was a bit big for what i needed a motor for though
03:58 PM XXCoder: you guys know anything about clothes washer?
03:58 PM Lcvette[m]: 7x10 lathe
03:59 PM Lcvette[m]: lol
03:59 PM XXCoder: i replaced dog ears and it now works properly, but motor runs but its not rotating. something else is also broken
03:59 PM Lcvette[m]: but i bet she'll get her done
03:59 PM Lcvette[m]: yes, plenty
03:59 PM hazzy-lab: TurBoss: Can you talk here?
03:59 PM Lcvette[m]: mine prefers diamonds and white gold jewelry
04:00 PM Lcvette[m]: transmission
04:01 PM XXCoder: something like https://www.rcappliancepartsimages.com/dbImages/00003987/01200106.jpg ?
04:02 PM TurBoss: yo
04:02 PM XXCoder: hey TurBoss
04:02 PM hazzy-lab: TurBoss: sweet!
04:02 PM TurBoss: hello XXCoder
04:02 PM TurBoss: just talk to @appservice-irc:matrix.org
04:02 PM Lcvette[m]: turboss \o/
04:03 PM Lcvette[m]: xxcoder, yes the clutch mechanism could be broken if its a direct drive
04:03 PM XXCoder: cool. researching now
04:04 PM Lcvette[m]: also check and make sure the motor shaft has not broken
04:04 PM XXCoder: cant afford to replace washer, it would cost over thousand bucks to buy 2
04:04 PM XXCoder: (well washer and dryer)
04:05 PM Deejay: gn8
04:12 PM XXCoder: Lcvette[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNClH4tqajU
04:23 PM Lcvette[m]: yeah
04:23 PM Lcvette[m]: that has a regular transmisssion
04:23 PM XXCoder: so many steps.
04:23 PM XXCoder: any chance its just couplers thats broken?
04:24 PM Lcvette[m]: transmissions are usually pretty tough
04:24 PM Lcvette[m]: but if you were abusing it with heavy loads and big unbalanced loads, they can break
04:24 PM Lcvette[m]: strip gears etc
04:24 PM Lcvette[m]: also motor shaft cuoplers can break
04:27 PM XXCoder: 179 bucks is have to buy transmission
04:27 PM XXCoder: *uif
04:27 PM XXCoder: **if
04:27 PM XXCoder: https://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Transmission/3360629/423
04:31 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180804_154001.jpg
04:31 PM skunkworks: rough machining...
04:32 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180804_151445.jpg
04:32 PM gregcnc: it's a pretty big something
04:35 PM XXCoder: Lcvette[m]: one of repair video? "DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS, ONLY HIGHLY TRAINED LICENSED AND INSURED HVAC" and in reply: author of video says "this was first washer I fixed, went pretty well"
04:35 PM XXCoder: yeeah highly trained..
04:39 PM skunkworks: it is a riser block for a small cnc mill I inherited.
05:14 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, still chewin on that hunk of iron?
05:15 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, that warning is sponsored by the washer repairman's union
05:15 PM XXCoder: indeed
05:15 PM XXCoder: i pointed it out more because guy said must be trained, and its his first time.
05:15 PM XXCoder: bit of paradox there
05:39 PM andypugh: Does anyone here have experience of heat-forming polycarbonate?
05:40 PM andypugh: I tried today, but it bubbled up and also welded the protection film to the surface.
05:40 PM SpeedEvil: Drying may be required, and I think you always remove the film
05:40 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: it sounds like you got it too hot
05:40 PM andypugh: So, do you remove the film prior to forming? And how long does drying normally take? I dried the 5mm at 125C for 3 hours.
05:41 PM SpeedEvil: I would have thought that would have helped
05:45 PM andypugh: I did do it all in my kitchen oven. Perhaps I should try again with thermocouples and a furnace controller turning the power on and off.
05:46 PM andypugh: Actually, a proper furnace controller would be a fun hack for a kitchen oven.
05:50 PM sync: yes andypugh
06:04 PM Loetmichel: pfft... home at last... i have to confess i felt a bit like a gypsy with that bed on the cars roof and all that stuff in the car (mother in law sells the house so we cleaned it out)... and note to self: buying a 6.99eur tarp to protect the bed and expecting it to hold up to 100mph was a BIT optimistic (it was completely green when i started 5 hours ago) ;) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/mai
06:04 PM Loetmichel: n.php?g2_itemId=17174&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
06:08 PM hazzy-lab: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17174&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
06:09 PM Loetmichel: yes
06:09 PM hazzy-lab: haha
06:09 PM Loetmichel: ah, it got split?
06:09 PM hazzy-lab: that looks pretty tattered
06:09 PM hazzy-lab: yes
06:09 PM Loetmichel: wind. the tarp is made of a nylon "fabric" clad in a green foil. it seems the green foil wasnt attached THAT well...
06:12 PM andypugh: Of course, before using my oven for stuff, I should work out what the hieroglyphics mean. https://photos.app.goo.gl/k2SQW9iZoMRh4zSa6 And i also ought to clean the cooker.
06:13 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: this is mighty cryptic
06:13 PM andypugh: Isn’t it?
06:14 PM DaViruz: i suppose the possible options are automatic, single step, mdi and manual?
06:15 PM hazzy-lab: those might belong better on a lathe threading box than an oven
06:15 PM hazzy-lab: even has the double cut thread setting for when you engage the half nut at the wrong point
06:17 PM hazzy-lab: DaViruz: LOL
06:28 PM andypugh: :-)
06:34 PM skunkworks: andypugh: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180801_102023.jpg
06:34 PM andypugh: Cool. Does it work?
06:35 PM skunkworks: have not powered it up yet..
06:36 PM andypugh: Have you installed Servoterm?
06:36 PM skunkworks: no.. been removing metal.. http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180804_154001.jpg
06:48 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npybvhWYklc ah that answers my question!
06:48 PM XXCoder: nice
06:49 PM `Wolf: jesseg: yo
07:08 PM hazzy-m: jesseg: howdy
07:12 PM `Wolf: now to wait for him to get back https://i.imgur.com/Zi3MqUU.jpg
07:14 PM `Wolf: I gave up after almost 2 hrs of digging in boxes of bearings lol
07:15 PM are is now known as Guest49287
07:16 PM andypugh: I am confused by the two different sized boxes of 6203
07:16 PM `Wolf: yeah that is odd isn’t it
07:17 PM `Wolf: larger box has snap ring on it
07:19 PM `Wolf: didn’t help that there is no organization to anything there, boxes and boxes of stuff all mixed up
07:20 PM `Wolf: there was 3-4 boxes of bearings I didn’t even touch
07:21 PM `Wolf: trying to talk the guy in to letting me help him organize all the stuff
07:57 PM XXCoder: hey Lcvette[m] finally got it
07:58 PM XXCoder: its broken coupler
08:26 PM jesseg: `Wolf, hey, hazzy-m howdy!
08:27 PM andypugh: Very special lathe. Has relieveing gear for making taps, hobs, other cutters: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173450024450
08:28 PM XXCoder: left outside ouch
08:28 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: Awesome!
08:28 PM XXCoder: very heavy rust
08:28 PM andypugh: Max spindle speed 238 !
08:29 PM XXCoder: well looks very rebuildable though
08:29 PM hazzy-lab: I always wanted to make a eureka attachment for my lathe
08:29 PM XXCoder: if it was left outside here in washington, it'd be half rusted away
08:29 PM andypugh: Sorry, 525. I didn’t look carefuly enough.
08:29 PM XXCoder: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Zo8AAOSwyjNbZZjK/s-l500.jpg
08:29 PM andypugh: It’s in Preston. That’s worse
08:29 PM andypugh: But things always look far rustier in photos.
08:29 PM hazzy-lab: the eureka patent is on my shop wall :)
08:30 PM XXCoder: apparently. lol
08:30 PM XXCoder: yeah it looks clean, rusty but clean
08:30 PM XXCoder: no holes and cancer
08:31 PM andypugh: This was the picture of my lathe, and it was actually perfectly fine with a few seconds of WD40 and wire-wool: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q8pYBpMnZuY/VeNjM5_gSoI/AAAAAAAAFdk/8EEGPYM_ymY/s1600/unnamed.jpg
08:33 PM andypugh: Same lathe, same chuck, a licl of paint and a polish. http://bodgesoc.blogspot.com/search/label/Holbrook09%20Finishing%20Up
08:33 PM jesseg: `Wolf, wow! you actually found 3 of the types!
08:35 PM andypugh: (I wonder if there was ever a 20”lathe with a deeper bed?
08:35 PM XXCoder: andypugh: nice restoration!
08:37 PM andypugh: It was a little bit more than a restoration, I converted to CNC too. :-)
08:37 PM andypugh: (fairly obviously)
08:39 PM XXCoder: well it does look good
08:41 PM andypugh: It looks less good now I have been using it for a year or so :-)
08:42 PM XXCoder: not surpised. ever made a lathe rook though? lol
08:42 PM andypugh: I have made a lathe pawn. But not a rook. A knight would be the real challenge
08:42 PM XXCoder: err pawn
08:43 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfxuhLJUdmI
08:44 PM andypugh: This is mine. With crashes. dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc
08:44 PM andypugh: Oops!
08:44 PM XXCoder: in least its not porn link or something
08:45 PM andypugh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woU927Tqoo8
08:45 PM XXCoder: i remember the video
08:46 PM XXCoder: you captioned it for me
08:46 PM Tom_L: do the chips get caught in the buttons?
08:46 PM andypugh: The keyboad normally lives in a toolbox drawer
08:46 PM Tom_L: the red yellow green ones
08:47 PM andypugh: No, never
08:48 PM * Tom_L goes back out to the shop to check on the cnc
09:00 PM Tom_shop: can any of the tool table information be displayed in the pyvcp pannel?
09:01 PM Tom_shop: ie tool description
09:01 PM Tom_shop: i currently display the tool number but thought it would be hand to have the description as well
09:01 PM andypugh: Should be posssible with Glade and a Python handler that can read the tool table. Probably not with PyVCP
09:02 PM Tom_shop: ok
09:10 PM Lcvette[m]: i know you can get it in a subroutine
09:11 PM Lcvette[m]: then you could use a print function
09:11 PM Lcvette[m]: ?
09:15 PM robotustra: cast iron keyboard is starring in a linux cnc youtube porn
09:15 PM robotustra: +1
09:18 PM andypugh: Cast iron keyboard? Where?
09:19 PM robotustra: well, kbd is sitting on a beefy cast iron plate :)
09:20 PM robotustra: this lathe is looks so solid
09:20 PM robotustra: must be precize?
09:21 PM andypugh: It could be better. I think it is inherently good but I need to work on the PID. But it makes parts, so I haven’t re-visited the tuning.
09:21 PM robotustra: andypugh, how do you wire encoders for axii?
09:21 PM andypugh: It’s all on Resolvers,
09:21 PM andypugh: Using a Mesa 7i49
09:22 PM robotustra: you send a signal to mesa and then lincnc sends bach steps to steppers?
09:22 PM andypugh: It’s all on servos.
09:23 PM andypugh: Using Mesa 8i20 drives, which take a current command through serial.
09:23 PM robotustra: "the program is called lathe pawn, it should make a pawn" LOL
09:24 PM XXCoder: :)
09:26 PM robotustra: is there any way to chipbrake aluminum on a lathe?
09:27 PM andypugh: Yes
09:27 PM andypugh: Tool geometry and the right feed and speed will do it.
09:29 PM robotustra: this lathe has breaks>
09:29 PM robotustra: ?
09:29 PM andypugh: You typically need to make the swarf very stiff to snap it, and not all lathes can manage that
09:31 PM robotustra: I think it should depend on the type of alloy
09:32 PM andypugh: That too.
09:32 PM robotustra: 6560 probably hard to cheapbreak
09:32 PM `Wolf: cutter geometry makes a diff as well
09:33 PM robotustra: was thinking all day how to wire my lathe
09:33 PM robotustra: I want to make all my harnesses to test electronics on a table, and not remake it to install on a lathe after
09:34 PM robotustra: not sure that I'll succeed :)
09:34 PM robotustra: the length of wires is not 100% clear for now
09:35 PM robotustra: thinking to put wires into currageted hose
09:35 PM `Wolf: length of the axis + 2/3rds imo
09:35 PM robotustra: but not sure if I have to twist wires for signals
09:36 PM `Wolf: would be a good idea
09:36 PM `Wolf: twist all the wires
09:37 PM Tom_shop: shield them for sure
09:37 PM robotustra: and also was thinking on manual switches and breakers I need, there not so much ideas come what I need
09:38 PM robotustra: do I need a separate power switches for servos?
09:38 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/EUx6mBj.jpg wiring done correct IMO
09:38 PM `Wolf: I master switch all my motors on CNC machine
09:39 PM robotustra: hm, mine is a plastic tube :)
09:39 PM `Wolf: 1 master switch, 1 switch for motor psu, and e-stop that kills motors and spindle
09:39 PM `Wolf: motor psu = stepper/servo
09:40 PM robotustra: ah
09:40 PM robotustra: e-stop kills the power on a servos
09:41 PM robotustra: so I don't need a separate switch
09:41 PM robotustra: one more thing is a reset servo if there is an alarm happend
09:42 PM robotustra: do I need to wire it back to linuxcnc through mesa card?
09:42 PM robotustra: how people usually do?
09:42 PM robotustra: or it's an ovekill
09:42 PM robotustra: overkill
09:44 PM `Wolf: dunno, I haven’t done my mesa build yet
09:45 PM robotustra: I mean what is a "good practice" in wiring signals through the mesa
09:46 PM robotustra: like feedback from toolchanger, etc
09:56 PM robotustra: did anybody tried to power mesa with 36V?
09:56 PM robotustra: or 32V is max?
09:56 PM XXCoder: isnt max volt listed?
09:58 PM robotustra: 32