#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 03 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:16 AM selroc: hello
12:19 AM hazzy-lab: logs
12:19 AM selroc: logs
12:19 AM selroc: not working
12:19 AM hazzy-lab: lol, they are not registered
12:19 AM hazzy-lab: after the spam attack they can't talk
12:19 AM hazzy-lab: xD
12:19 AM hazzy-lab: I guess I should register mine
12:19 AM selroc: absolutely
12:24 AM hazzy-lab is now known as Logs1
12:24 AM Logs1 is now known as hazzy-lab
12:29 AM hazzy-lab: logs_
12:29 AM hazzy-lab: logs
12:29 AM TurBoss: !logs
12:30 AM hazzy-lab: I broke heem
12:30 AM hazzy-lab: lol
12:32 AM hazzy-lab: selroc: http://irc-logs.kcjengr.com/%23linuxcnc/2018/08/03.html
12:32 AM * hazzy-lab does manual log service
12:38 AM hazzy-lab: logs
12:38 AM logs: hazzy-lab: today's log: http://irc-logs.kcjengr.com/%23linuxcnc/2018/08/03.html
12:38 AM hazzy-lab: hurray!
12:59 AM Wolf_: 0.o
02:24 AM `Wolf is now known as Guest8486
02:24 AM Deejay: moin
03:06 AM TurBoss: morning
03:45 AM miss0r: again having a few of those chinesium boring head boring bars handy saves the day :]
03:52 AM miss0r: as much as I hate most everything about them, they can come in handy for the odd job, where you grind the living bejesus out of them
04:00 AM miss0r: But using it to bore out a metal on metal bearing as I am right now, is almost criminal :D
05:21 AM XXCoder: forwards
05:22 AM XXCoder: miss0r: boring heads is boring way to solve problem
05:53 AM jthornton: morning
05:54 AM XXCoder: yo
05:57 AM jthornton: chickens get 2 minutes of extra light today
05:58 AM XXCoder: oh your chicvkens lights finally started triggering?
05:59 AM jthornton: that's what the chick.html page says lights true door opens at 6:06 sunrise at 6:08
06:02 AM XXCoder: cool :)
06:04 AM jthornton: IIRC one of the shop lights in the run is not working
06:05 AM jthornton: 64°F nice
06:05 AM XXCoder: here its 70s, creeping into 80s in monday and tues
06:05 AM XXCoder: I hope it dont creep into 90s
06:06 AM jthornton: low 90's for a high here for the next week
06:07 AM jthornton: lights on, door opens yea
06:13 AM sealive: hi all
06:14 AM sealive: it is super hot here hitting 37 today
06:14 AM XXCoder: fancy
06:14 AM sealive: XXCoder, how are the firers developing
06:15 AM XXCoder: dunno wasnt following
06:15 AM sealive: we got full alarm here this morning 5.30am
06:15 AM sealive: hedding towards washington state
06:15 AM XXCoder: cool here now though, but will slowly rise to 80s F at monday and tues
06:15 AM sealive: we are well over 100F
06:15 AM XXCoder: that sucks
06:16 AM XXCoder: hot weather will only get worse
06:16 AM XXCoder: more extreme each year. it sucks
06:25 AM sealive: Trump will put the best on this years Hurrican seson
06:25 AM sealive: he might plant some new trees on his golfcourse payd by gov aid
06:25 AM sealive: AND Ivanka for President
06:26 AM sealive: im off later folks
06:26 AM XXCoder: eccchy
08:15 AM Tom_L: 65F Hi 94
08:19 AM beachbumpete1: https://i.imgur.com/L5Im6u3.jpg FIRST TEST PRINT EVER!! ;)
08:27 AM jdh: it's so cute.
08:27 AM jdh: not really, but that's what you say about ugly babies
08:46 AM beachbumpete1: IKR its not very pretty... its also underextruded pretty badly gotta tweak settings but honestly for a kit 3D printer that arrived in a box a week ago to this as a first test print I am fairly pleased
08:59 AM jthornton: which printer is it?
09:01 AM chorler: Hi folks, my father has a machine set up fed through a Sunix 5008A parallel port pci card. The Sunix provided driver is standalone - doesn't communicate with the kernel parport driver. So I hacked the parport_serial driver to work with the card - now it works as expected with HAL. Whilst doing this I also noticed that there are 3 other cards that it's probably possible to fix - so I wondered if anyone has bought any of these and
09:01 AM chorler: got them stashed in a cupboard somewhere...
09:01 AM chorler: They are :
09:03 AM chorler: SUNIX 1999, 5069A, 5079A (already in the kernel - but probably wrong settings for parallel based on my tests with the 5008A), 5099A
09:06 AM cradek: do I understand right that this is not a linuxcnc change, you added them to the kernel module and then linuxcnc worked with the new card type?
09:06 AM chorler: yes
09:06 AM cradek: cool!
09:06 AM chorler: I'm looking for people to test
09:07 AM chorler: before I submit patch upstream
09:07 AM cradek: here is a good place to ask, and also the mailing list and the forum
09:07 AM robotustra: is it possble to upgrade wheezy to jessy and save old kernel with rtk?
09:11 AM chorler: okay, I'll subscribe to mailing list / join forum
09:11 AM cradek: awesome
09:12 AM cradek: chorler: https://sourceforge.net/projects/emc/lists/emc-users
09:13 AM cradek: chorler: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/
09:13 AM cradek: (oof it's not so easy to find that mailing list)
09:15 AM chorler: thanks
09:17 AM sealive: whow we are melting here in southwest germany near the french boarder
10:28 AM sealive: need somthing to cool down
10:29 AM sealive: no breeze and climbing temps inside the house
11:06 AM roycroft: it's only going to get up to 26 here today
11:06 AM roycroft: we need this break from mid-upper 30s temperatures
11:10 AM hazzy-lab: roycroft: glad to hear you get a respite
11:10 AM hazzy-lab: but the heat just came over here to dixie ...
11:10 AM hazzy-lab: its been unusually cool, but its like a sauna today :(
11:58 AM sealive: hi all
11:58 AM sealive: is chorler german ?
11:59 AM sealive: WTF sirence sounding What wa week need to close BYE
12:01 PM miss0r: I went to repair a gear hobber today. Someone was noticing that the lubrication system was not giving enough flow. They removed one of the main oil lines to check the flow, forgot that they did, and started running the machine. It ran for 1 day, before a steel on steel bearing in the feed gearbox _welded_
12:02 PM robotustra: noice
12:03 PM robotustra: friction welding
12:04 PM miss0r: Its the bearing for one of three replaceable gears in the gear box in question. It welded, unscrewed a nut, ripped a 12.9 5mm allenhead screw in half, but before the torque ripped it apart, it tightened the shaft it was welding too(it is threaded in with a 12x1mm fine thread) with enough force to rip the nut with build in oil feed almost in three places. and it managed to wreck the surface it is all supposed to slide on
12:04 PM miss0r: I had to extend my allen key with a 1meter long pipe to get enough torque to get it apart.
12:05 PM miss0r: Well, needless to say, I had to make some new parts ;)
12:05 PM miss0r: At the moment I am one m18x1.5 thread from completion
12:05 PM robotustra: horror stories
12:05 PM miss0r: yeah :]
12:05 PM miss0r: well, other peoples mistakes is my bread and butter
12:06 PM robotustra: so you can help them to make more errors
12:06 PM miss0r: only when they are not looking ;P
12:06 PM miss0r: Nah. I do what I can to prevent them from doing the same mistake again
12:07 PM robotustra: "experience is a knowledge how to behave in the situation that will never repeat again"
12:07 PM miss0r: I also told them to throw away some lubricating oil. the oil they were using on the machine in question was standing in an open container next to the machine. it was a 50/50 mix of nylon shavings and oil... I'll bet you, when I flush the lubricating system next week, I'll find alot more than that
12:08 PM miss0r: Sounds like wise words.
12:08 PM miss0r: I am slowly trying to build such experience
12:10 PM robotustra: everyone does
12:10 PM miss0r: Yeah
12:11 PM miss0r: I haven't seen you much in here, I think. You new to these parts?
12:11 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: https://www.banggood.com/Sparkmaker-Light-Curing-Desktop-UV-Resin-SLA-3D-Printer-9855125mm-Build-Volume-p-1326717.html?utm_design=41&utm_source=emarsys&utm_medium=Mail_promo180803_email&utm_campaign=newsletter%E2%80%94emarsys&utm_content=gakki&sc_src=email_3142721&sc_eh=4657e1bc7fdf1fcc1&sc_llid=406797&sc_lid=122747339&sc_uid=wHOd5xMhb5&cur_warehouse=CN <= watch the video.
12:11 PM fragalot: miss0r: why I am quite the regular, actually
12:11 PM robotustra: yeah, I'm pretty new, may be 1-2 weeks
12:11 PM miss0r: fragalot: The log would disagree, looking back a few weeks ;P
12:12 PM miss0r: robotustra: What brought you here?
12:12 PM fragalot: miss0r: did you miss me? :P
12:12 PM fragalot: also - the gibs arrived
12:12 PM robotustra: I'm building a cnc lathe and planning to use linux cnc on it
12:12 PM miss0r: :o In that case, yes
12:13 PM fragalot: i've started to straighten & scrape in the smallest one, hoping to get it done tomorrow
12:13 PM miss0r: robotustra: Nice. Pictures? or did it not happen?
12:13 PM miss0r: fragalot: that youtube live stream sounds like fun...
12:13 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/WeVibDf
12:13 PM fragalot: I'll see if wifi makes it to the shed properly
12:14 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/10Tt2qf
12:14 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/AOtnxMw
12:15 PM miss0r: robotustra: Nice. Are you planning to fill those box sections with something to supress vibrations ?
12:15 PM miss0r: fragalot: A simple 'no' would suffice :)
12:15 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/73STFfW
12:15 PM robotustra: I will see, if it will vibrate a lot may be
12:16 PM fragalot: Terms and Conditions:
12:16 PM fragalot: Shake well before use, please wear a glove mask, the recommended temperature 20-25 ℃, to avoid dust and the environment.
12:16 PM robotustra: but it's a table size lathe
12:16 PM fragalot: I love chengrish
12:16 PM miss0r: robotustra: Yeah, I can tell. It looks realy nice
12:16 PM fragalot: miss0r: why not? I could set up a nice 4K 60fps stream, and tear through my data cap in like.. seconds. :D
12:17 PM robotustra: hope that it will work good as well, it'a not my first machine
12:17 PM miss0r: fragalot: hehe. I was out on a repair job today. Someone felt their gear hobber did not lubricate properly, so they removed a main oil line to check stuff out, and forgot to reinstall it. It ran for 1 day before welding shut
12:18 PM miss0r: robotustra: I must admit, I've always found it curious when people use box sections for machines like that. I have bad experience with that
12:18 PM fragalot: miss0r: ha :D
12:18 PM robotustra: it's quite rigid
12:18 PM miss0r: fragalot: (19:03:44)<miss0r>Its the bearing for one of three replaceable gears in the gear box in question. It welded, unscrewed a nut, ripped a 12.9 5mm allenhead screw in half, but before the torque ripped it apart, it tightened the shaft it was welding too(it is threaded in with a 12x1mm fine thread) with enough force to rip the nut with build in oil feed almost in three places. and it managed to wreck the surface it is all supposed to slid
12:19 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/MHnriJF
12:19 PM fragalot: miss0r: sounds like a fun job!
12:19 PM miss0r: robotustra: I'm sure. It looks well made. And it is probally very stiff as well. Theres just something about box sections and vibrations...
12:19 PM fragalot: anything salvageable? :P
12:19 PM fragalot: miss0r: robotustra's build is likely to still be better than my 250x550 lathe.
12:20 PM miss0r: fragalot: Well.. the 'inner' part of the bearing.. Most of the welded material came from the outer part. So I reduced that part 1mm OD, and made a new outer bearing.
12:20 PM fragalot: box sections do like to vibrate/chatter, but filling them up typically solves that (mostly)
12:20 PM robotustra: miss0r, I'll try to balance everythig as good as I can
12:20 PM miss0r: fragalot: Yeah, your model came from toys'R'us
12:20 PM fragalot: miss0r: don't lower toys'R'us's standard like that
12:20 PM robotustra: I scraped the metal for this lathe like 120+ hours
12:21 PM miss0r: robotustra: I'm sure you will :) But the vibrations I'm talking about is the stuff that creates chatter, when you start cutting. Doesn't realy have anything to do with balance.. well, some..
12:21 PM miss0r: fragalot: :D
12:21 PM miss0r: robotustra: It realy does look nice. I am looking forward to seeing some more progress :D
12:21 PM robotustra: I know, probably I'll fill it with concrete
12:22 PM robotustra: of polymer concrete
12:22 PM miss0r: I would recommend the latter
12:22 PM fragalot: same
12:22 PM robotustra: first I have to build a draft, try it, disassemble and so on
12:22 PM miss0r: You can ask fragalot about it. He almost holds a doctors degree in this stuff by now
12:22 PM fragalot: xD
12:23 PM miss0r: I said _almost_ !! now get down from there
12:23 PM fragalot: It's 38°C outside right now >.> not a good weekend to even consider casting anything lol
12:23 PM robotustra: and the hollow tubes can sing the song too
12:23 PM miss0r: robotustra: That is what I was talking about when saying box sections
12:24 PM beachbumpete1: jthornton: sorry man yeah the printer I bought is a TronXY X5S 400mm I bought as a kit.
12:24 PM sealive: hi im back
12:24 PM miss0r: fragalot: throw a few icecubes in the mold prior to casting. :D
12:24 PM sealive: oil on road no water needed
12:31 PM robotustra: use sun driven fourge
12:31 PM robotustra: with parabolic mirrors
12:32 PM robotustra: or parabolic mirror aided forge
12:58 PM sealive: im off folks
01:26 PM fragalot: >.> I may have just bought a Moai SLA printer
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1660/9083/products/JYSY4511_1024x1024@2x.jpg
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: easy to convert to LCNC if you don't like its setup
02:28 PM srk: where's f-theta lens?
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: doesn't use one
02:29 PM srk: "Looking for high-resolution 3D printing without high price?"
02:29 PM srk: no quite high res :D
02:30 PM srk: 70-micron laser spot - in the middle, yeah, but what about the sides
02:30 PM CaptHindsight: doesn't matter that much
02:30 PM srk: depends on the build volume
02:30 PM srk: even form1 had this issue
02:30 PM CaptHindsight: look at the throw distance and the print area
02:32 PM srk: I want to try motorized focusing instead of f-theta but I'm noob with optics - not sure where to buy correct lens
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: not really an issue, mentioning the laser spot size is like saying a mill can hold cutting tools as small as 100um
02:33 PM srk: hope so :)
02:34 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: I might bug you when I get it.. LT is quite long :P
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: there's not much to them, I'd be interested to find out if the galvo amps are analog inputs or serial
02:46 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: remind me to report back on that :P
02:47 PM gregcnc_: SLS camp stove https://www.ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2018/07/peakboil.html
02:48 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: have you ever tried ceramics with SLA?
02:49 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: so.. a kelly kettle?
02:49 PM fragalot: only fancier
02:49 PM Guest8486 is now known as `Wolf
02:49 PM gregcnc_: I'm guessing kiloeuro kettle
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: in more ways than one
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: that stove can only be made by 3d printing :)
03:38 PM Deejay: gn8
03:40 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: wrong. It can also be made using lost wax casting, or resin casting & wax
03:48 PM XXCoder: what can be cast by those?
03:49 PM fragalot: many things
03:49 PM fragalot: syyl: I am amazed by that slotting cut on yourf RF45.. I'd have called you crazy for even trying, let alone succeeding xD
03:49 PM XXCoder: ah ok. im missing some of what was being talked about lol
03:50 PM fragalot: XXCoder: https://www.ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2018/07/peakboil.html
03:50 PM XXCoder: nice
03:50 PM XXCoder: looks like it forms a votex inside
03:50 PM fragalot: it's basically a fancy version of a kelly kettle
03:51 PM XXCoder: "Venturi nozzles" of course
03:52 PM XXCoder: I wonder a little, what would happen if we took that model and put it mutate and evolve program
03:52 PM XXCoder: maybe it can extract way more heat into something being cooked
03:53 PM fragalot: I'd hope that the uni already did something similar
03:53 PM fragalot: rather than going by wild guesses :P
04:29 PM jthornton: whew long day finally over with
04:29 PM XXCoder: yay
04:29 PM jthornton: hazzy-dev: have you seen this? https://github.com/altendky/basicpyqt5example
04:32 PM jthornton: yea been pulling my hair out all day trying to connect a HMI to a PLC lol
04:32 PM hazzy-lab: jthornton: No, that looks like a good reference
04:32 PM hazzy-lab: thanks!
04:33 PM hazzy-lab: Oh boy, what are you working on with the PLC?
05:05 PM jdh: an hmi.
05:11 PM JT-Shop: adding a HMI to a machine at the industrial park it has an old Micrologix 1500 PLC
05:12 PM * JT-Shop goes back to chilling with my peeps
05:13 PM XXCoder: knew it would happen evenually. https://youtu.be/OxT5lLppylY lol
05:14 PM XXCoder: hey andypugh
05:14 PM andypugh: Hai
05:14 PM hazzy-lab: XXCoder: That sounds pretty good!
05:14 PM XXCoder: I was wondering. thanks hazzy-lab lol
05:15 PM XXCoder: not by me though, I wouldnt make something like that even if I can
05:15 PM hazzy-lab: your very welcome :)
05:15 PM hazzy-lab: servos are a bit noisy, but other than that very good
05:16 PM XXCoder: I wonder if its possible to setup it so any music can be fed to it and it can do best approxations it can fo]
05:17 PM hazzy-lab: probably could feed it MIDI
05:17 PM hazzy-lab: that is really easy for something like that
05:17 PM XXCoder: lol that'd be less of a challenge but yeah
05:17 PM XXCoder: andypugh: if missed: https://youtu.be/OxT5lLppylY
05:18 PM andypugh: RC servos seem to me to lack finesse
05:19 PM hazzy-lab: somebody needs to make a harpsichord like that :D
05:20 PM andypugh: Are you watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8qyVURtSZc&list=PLLLYkE3G1HED6rW-bkliHbMroHYFf4ukv
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: we were joking about this https://www.ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2018/07/peakboil.html
05:20 PM XXCoder: ya saw that
05:20 PM XXCoder: andypugh: ohh I love marble machines
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: what will happen when all the musicians are replaced by robots?
05:22 PM XXCoder: that wont happen. sure there will be robot musicians but total replacement? nah
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: will they play to robot audiences?
05:23 PM andypugh: XXCoder: It’s the giy who made this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q trying to engineer it properly. And the good thing is that he is _primarily_ a musician.
05:23 PM XXCoder: some of em will be robot yeah
05:23 PM robotustra: how to make sure that 5i25 is up?
05:23 PM robotustra: what is device id?
05:23 PM XXCoder: "AI" wait till we have true MI - machine intelligence.
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: or dancers? https://youtu.be/a0fTVnhg7S0?t=14s
05:24 PM XXCoder: andypugh: interesting! it makes music with balls fcalling?
05:24 PM XXCoder: it does. interesting
05:25 PM XXCoder: while I cant enjoy music, the look of it is awesome!
05:25 PM andypugh: Ah, yes, you are probably not best equipped to appreciate it.
05:26 PM XXCoder: LOL animated logo
05:27 PM CaptHindsight: back in the day variety shows always had something like this on
05:32 PM robotustra: can I reconfigure mesa card as many times as I want?
05:32 PM CaptHindsight: 1000 of times
05:32 PM andypugh: 5i25 no, only a few thousand times I think
05:32 PM CaptHindsight: forget the series they use. might be >100K's
05:33 PM robotustra: beware, I don't undestand jokes when it refers to real hardware :)
05:33 PM CaptHindsight: is it the FPGA or the eprom that wears out?
05:33 PM robotustra: what is the "common" pin config?
05:33 PM andypugh: Not a joke, you can progtam the eeprom a few thousand times.
05:33 PM robotustra: ok
05:34 PM robotustra: I mean I just connected a set of 5i25-7i76
05:34 PM andypugh: The cards without eeprom (5i20, 5i23) get programmed every time by LinuxCNC so (I guess) have infinite programming life.
05:34 PM robotustra: and started a wizard
05:34 PM robotustra: I don't have any motor or other stuff connected yet
05:35 PM andypugh: Oh, you can change the config as many times as you like. You just can only use Mesaflash to change the firmware a few thousand times.
05:35 PM robotustra: every time I change the config I overwrite eeprom?
05:36 PM andypugh: No, only if you flash new firmware with Mesaflash.
05:37 PM robotustra: is there any preset for TB2 and TB3 connectors already?
05:41 PM andypugh: The 5i25 will have been supplied with a default firmware. Probably 7i76
05:43 PM andypugh: If you want to check it our with a minimum of config, open a terminal then:
05:43 PM andypugh: halrin
05:44 PM `Wolf: hazzy-lab: what size VFD are you paring with that motor
05:44 PM andypugh: then halrun (because that is how it should be spelled)
05:44 PM andypugh: loadrt hostmot2
05:44 PM andypugh: loadrt hm2_pci
05:44 PM andypugh: show pin
05:44 PM robotustra: where to designate a stepper or pwm signals for axii?
05:44 PM andypugh: That’s all your HAL pins. If you see some, then the 5i25 is working.
05:44 PM andypugh: exit
05:44 PM andypugh: dmesg
05:45 PM andypugh: At the end is a list of what pin is what.
05:45 PM robotustra: ok
05:45 PM robotustra: I'll try
05:45 PM Kevin`: the config *on* the card just defines how many stepper pins or pwm signals or whatever exist and which pins they exist on
05:46 PM Kevin`: I had to change that a grand total of once cuz I wanted a pwm output for a laser and none of the stock configs was completely right
05:46 PM XXCoder: andypugh: congats!!
05:46 PM XXCoder: you got writeup on hackaday. banner even
05:47 PM XXCoder: https://hackaday.com/
05:47 PM robotustra: andypugh, cool it's alive
05:47 PM andypugh: I might be cheating, I know one of the editors :-)
05:47 PM robotustra: thanks
05:47 PM XXCoder: lol. though one of led segements dont work
05:47 PM XXCoder: in such way that 9 would look like 5
05:48 PM `Wolf: well, we now know XXCoder didn’t read the whole writeup =P
05:48 PM XXCoder: just started reading havent finished lol
05:49 PM XXCoder: I noticed it when video was relased bit ago
05:52 PM `Wolf: I wonder if this VFD is a knock off
05:53 PM `Wolf: one I got from eBay, has a HY01D523B sticker on it
05:54 PM andypugh: Some eBay ads for real HY have pictures of how to spot fake HY
05:54 PM andypugh: (Unless those are the faks, trying to throw us off the scent)
05:54 PM `Wolf: lol
05:54 PM CaptHindsight: fake fakes
05:54 PM `Wolf: its was under $70 so probably fake
05:55 PM `Wolf: now to see if it will spin up a motor at least
05:55 PM XXCoder: "uhph ours is too blue plastic, looks fake. what do we do?" "say that this is real and list blueness as proof of real copy"
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: no true Scotsman or VFD's
05:57 PM `Wolf: my flex shaft tool showed up today as well, turned out to have square shaft so most of the foredom hand pieces won’t fit it =/
05:57 PM XXCoder: NICE! https://www.instructables.com/id/Literary-Clock-Made-From-E-reader/
05:57 PM Kevin`: `Wolf: open it, look at assembly quality, fix assembly problems, use until broken
05:58 PM XXCoder: that is awesome. if it was nook I'd do it with my useless dead battery nook
05:58 PM `Wolf: the smd in it all look like smd…
05:59 PM XXCoder: https://www.theguardian.com/books/table/2011/apr/21/literary-clock?CMP=twt_gu quote for each minute in day
06:00 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: I don't have a VFD yet, thinking about maybe trying to use a STMBL ...
06:01 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: can STMBL drive a 3ph induction motor?
06:01 PM andypugh: There are a lot of nice ideas on that Instructables clock competition. I think I will probably get a prize, but maybe not the top prize.
06:01 PM andypugh: hazzy-lab: Apparently so. Rene has done it.
06:01 PM hazzy-lab: I know rene is running his haas spindle with STMBL ...
06:01 PM hazzy-lab: Hurray!
06:01 PM XXCoder: andypugh: hope so! yours look awesome. havent seen any other though lol
06:01 PM hazzy-lab: I did not know if that was a 3ph or some HF spindle motor
06:02 PM gregcnc_: I have used ebay VFDs, AB, Emerson, and recently an Eaton.
06:03 PM `Wolf: if I was running this stuff all day every day I would be getting name brand VFD
06:03 PM andypugh: XXCoder: https://www.instructables.com/contest/clocks2018/ is the full list. Some are really rather cool. I like the hard-drive one.
06:03 PM gregcnc_: cheap, under 100each iirc
06:03 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: I have had very good luck with the Automation Direct VFDs, I highly recommend them
06:03 PM hazzy-lab: (disclaimer, they are right around the block from me :) )
06:03 PM XXCoder: looking. thanks
06:04 PM XXCoder: lol clock I linked to is one of contest ones
06:04 PM andypugh: One advantage of the STMBL over most VFDs is that it is very compact.
06:04 PM gregcnc_: how much are the stmbl kits?
06:04 PM andypugh: Priceless, unfortunately.
06:04 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: that is the main reason I want to use it, my cabinet is very crammed already
06:05 PM XXCoder: eink, your clock, nixon one, and cubes one is best ones I see
06:05 PM gregcnc_: all gone?
06:05 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: but I guess the STMBL needs a suitable rectifier and filter caps, which take up some room ..
06:05 PM XXCoder: frankly yours shines a lot
06:05 PM andypugh: But ask on the stmbl IRC on irc.hackint.eu or https://gitter.im/rene-dev/stmbl as I think that ther might be a batch on the way using the last of the world supply of IRAM256 chips.
06:06 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: I found 56 more irams
06:06 PM XXCoder: odd your clock isnt in list?
06:06 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/7Qm7f56.jpg
06:06 PM andypugh: hazzy-lab: You can skip the filter caps for many motors. The internal ones work OK up to about 1kW.
06:07 PM `Wolf: lets see if anyone knows what that is
06:07 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: I was wondering about that, fantastic!
06:07 PM hazzy-lab: could also exchange them for slightly larger caps ..
06:07 PM andypugh: hazzy-lab: Are they the A2 variant?
06:07 PM hazzy-lab: not sure, checking
06:07 PM andypugh: ‘Wolf__ Looks like the beginnings of a pneumatic power drawbar
06:08 PM `Wolf: nope, runs off a foredom type flex shaft
06:08 PM andypugh: Ah, in that case it is an FPH 611
06:09 PM `Wolf: lol
06:09 PM `Wolf: die filer
06:09 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: IRAM256-2067A
06:09 PM hazzy-lab: is that correct?
06:09 PM hazzy-lab: 76 of them in stock now
06:09 PM andypugh: No, you want A2
06:09 PM andypugh: Small difference in part number, big difference in the shape of the pins.
06:09 PM hazzy-lab: ah, knew it muts be too good to be true
06:10 PM andypugh: (In theory you can extend and re-form the pins)
06:10 PM hazzy-lab: yeah, not 90deg pins
06:10 PM `Wolf: is it smaller?
06:10 PM hazzy-lab: hmm
06:10 PM hazzy-lab: they are only $20 a pop, might be worth the effort ..
06:11 PM `Wolf: I haven’t looked at the design but maybe make a edge solder board to adapt it?
06:11 PM hazzy-lab: https://www.arrow.com/en/products/iram256-2067a/infineon-technologies-ag
06:11 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: seems like it might be worth it
06:12 PM hazzy-lab: can't get the proper heat sinks for the other ones here in the US either, so have to do some modifying already
06:12 PM hazzy-lab: anyway*
06:12 PM andypugh: hazzy-lab: Try Octopart.
06:13 PM andypugh: hazzy-lab: Don’t you already have some STMBL drives?
06:13 PM hazzy-lab: I did (several months ago), they were only in the EU and UK, and shipping was outrageous
06:13 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: Yes, only two though, and I need about 8, lol
06:14 PM andypugh: There will, eventually, be a new design. Probably using generig TO22 parts so this doesn’t happen again.
06:15 PM `Wolf: hmm pin out is the same, just different mounting?
06:15 PM hazzy-lab: yes, that might actually be better anyway, then it would be easy to scale them up (or down) to more closely meet the needs of the motor
06:16 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: looks like it
06:17 PM `Wolf: maybe not, just means it would mount to the wrong side of the board tho
06:18 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/OtGkFBPqwdDjjRXtEwluYkpk
06:18 PM * hazzy-lab should look at the actual pinout
06:18 PM `Wolf: look at pin 1 vs pin 2
06:19 PM `Wolf: https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Infineon%20PDFs/IRAM256-2067A.pdf has both package layouts
06:20 PM hazzy-lab: looks the like the same pinout in the datasheet
06:21 PM `Wolf: mirrored
06:22 PM `Wolf: I think…
06:25 PM `Wolf: either way it would work with a through hole board if the pinout is mirrored, just need to mount the chip on the other side of the board if it is
06:36 PM andypugh: https://files.gitter.im/rene-dev/stmbl/nkKu/STMBL_v4.jpeg
06:44 PM `Wolf: guess that means the A spec works
06:46 PM andypugh: I don’t know. I have only seen the picture and don’t know if the result moved motors
07:18 PM robotustra: and how I can test 7i76?
07:18 PM robotustra: how to bling leds on it?
07:19 PM robotustra: do I have to make a config
07:19 PM robotustra: ?
07:19 PM andypugh: To make things happen with the cards you need to start realtime threads.
07:19 PM andypugh: Are you stll in halrun?
07:19 PM robotustra: I can run it again
07:20 PM andypugh: OK, all the same as before, but don’t exit.
07:20 PM andypugh: loadrt threads
07:20 PM andypugh: addf hm2_5i25.0 read thread1
07:20 PM andypugh: addf hm2_5i25.write thread1
07:20 PM andypugh: start
07:21 PM andypugh: (you can use tab-completion, these are actually about 5 keystrokes each, and no danger of miss-spelling)
07:22 PM andypugh: And I see at least one typo that tab-completion will save you from
07:22 PM robotustra: I did addf hm2_5i25.0.read thread1
07:22 PM andypugh: OK the cards should now be live
07:22 PM andypugh: show pin *led*
07:22 PM robotustra: nothing is blinking
07:23 PM XXCoder: is there auto-complete HAL editor?
07:23 PM robotustra: do I have it from root?
07:23 PM andypugh: XXCoder: Only halrun in a live system
07:23 PM `Wolf: hazzy-lab: this motor is sweet, no odd noises at all running it up to 180hz
07:23 PM andypugh: robotustra: no, you don’t need root
07:24 PM XXCoder: interesting
07:24 PM andypugh: robotustra: If you don’t get error messages, it is working
07:24 PM robotustra: 5 bit IN FALSE hm2_5i25.0.led.CR01
07:25 PM andypugh: setp hm2_5i25.0.led.CR01 1
07:25 PM robotustra: 5 bit IN FALSE hm2_5i25.0.led.CR2
07:25 PM robotustra: CR02
07:25 PM andypugh: should turn on an LED
07:25 PM robotustra: 1 sec
07:26 PM robotustra: nothing
07:26 PM robotustra: do I have to set some jumpers?
07:26 PM andypugh: No.
07:26 PM robotustra: how to test 5V on the board?
07:26 PM andypugh: You can see the pins
07:26 PM andypugh: it’s working
07:27 PM andypugh: did you actually addf the write function and did you actually type “start” to start the real-time threads?
07:28 PM robotustra: CR1 led on the board is not leat
07:28 PM hazzy-dev: `Wolf: Awesome! That's 5400rpm, sweet!
07:28 PM hazzy-dev: I can't wait to get mine running
07:29 PM andypugh: robotustra: What does “show funct” show?
07:29 PM `Wolf: yeah, I need to walk back the settings on the VFD lol
07:29 PM robotustra: I did addf hm2_5i25.0.write thread1
07:29 PM `Wolf: but no ear cancer type whine out of it
07:29 PM andypugh: Did you “start” though?
07:30 PM robotustra: 1 sec I'll start irc on the second machine to copypaste output
07:31 PM * hazzy-dev goes to the shop to find a VFD to steal for testing
07:32 PM robotustra: halcmd: show funct
07:32 PM robotustra: Exported Functions:
07:32 PM robotustra: Owner CodeAddr Arg FP Users Name
07:32 PM robotustra: 00005 f926f890 f6aeb000 YES 1 hm2_5i25.0.read
07:32 PM robotustra: 00005 f926f500 f6aeb000 YES 0 hm2_5i25.0.read_gpio
07:32 PM robotustra: 00005 f926f760 f6aeb000 YES 1 hm2_5i25.0.write
07:32 PM robotustra: 00005 f926f730 f6aeb000 YES 0 hm2_5i25.0.write_gpio
07:32 PM andypugh: show thread
07:32 PM robotustra: halcmd: show thread
07:32 PM robotustra: Realtime Threads:
07:32 PM robotustra: Period FP Name ( Time, Max-Time )
07:32 PM robotustra: 999871 YES thread1 ( 124439, 182258 )
07:32 PM robotustra: 1 hm2_5i25.0.read
07:32 PM robotustra: 2 hm2_5i25.0.write
07:32 PM andypugh: Hmm.
07:33 PM andypugh: That seems OK
07:33 PM `Wolf: hazzy-dev: https://i.imgur.com/pxzvdbt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uDX5Rko.jpg
07:33 PM andypugh: Try setp the other LED pins to 1?
07:33 PM robotustra: 1 sec
07:34 PM robotustra: nothing, may by there is no 5 V on LEDS?
07:34 PM andypugh: Where are you looking?
07:35 PM andypugh: These LEDs are on the 5i25
07:36 PM robotustra: ah, I'm looking at 7i76
07:36 PM robotustra: :)
07:36 PM robotustra: 1 sec I'll open the body
07:37 PM robotustra: works
07:37 PM robotustra: both leds
07:37 PM andypugh: Great
07:37 PM andypugh: I am not sure how to tell that the 7i76 is working
07:38 PM andypugh: halcmd show pin *7i76* will not show GPIO if the 7i76 field-power is not on.
07:39 PM robotustra: what is field-power? external power supply?
07:39 PM `Wolf: external power for 24v switches and whatnot
07:40 PM andypugh: It’s the 5 / 12 / 24V that you are using for the sensors and switches.
07:40 PM robotustra: what pins it should be connected?
07:41 PM andypugh: Not sure, but it’s all in 7i76man.pdf
07:41 PM robotustra: ok, I'll read it
07:42 PM robotustra: if I'll connect 12V to these pins the command in halcmd will show 7i76 pins?
07:42 PM andypugh: Yes, but you need to start again from the beginning.
07:43 PM robotustra: it's clear
07:43 PM robotustra: and I can set leds on the 7i76 too ?
07:44 PM andypugh: I don’t know if there are any
07:44 PM andypugh: But you can setp the gpio and measure with a multimeter
07:45 PM robotustra: there is a CR1 led at least
07:45 PM andypugh: OK, then you probably can setp that.
07:45 PM robotustra: may it shows 5V only
07:45 PM robotustra: may be
07:46 PM robotustra: ok, I'll read man first
07:50 PM robotustra: andypugh, thank a lot
07:51 PM robotustra: at least 5i25 is working
07:51 PM andypugh: One last thing, when you have field power do a “show pin” and “show paam” and paste those in to a text file for futire reference.
07:52 PM andypugh: Sorry, show param
07:54 PM robotustra: ok I saved them,
07:54 PM robotustra: is it pins I can trigger from linuxcnc?
07:55 PM andypugh: You won’t see the fulll set until you apply field power to the 7i76
07:55 PM robotustra: ok
07:55 PM andypugh: But yes, thiose are the pins and params that you can use i n your HAL file to do whatever you want to do.
07:56 PM robotustra: can be the power supply have the commin GDN with the computer?
07:56 PM andypugh: Yes.
07:56 PM robotustra: GND
07:56 PM robotustra: ok
07:56 PM andypugh: It’s optional for that to be the case, but sometimes unavoidable.
07:57 PM robotustra: thanks
07:57 PM robotustra: I read manual
07:57 PM andypugh: It’s _probably_ better if they are not the same GND, bui generally something in the system will tie them together.
07:58 PM andypugh: And, in that situation, it’s best to tie them hard together with a real wire, rather than some active leak path in a swithmode PSU or sensor.
07:58 PM robotustra: ok
07:59 PM robotustra: I don't have any wiring yet
07:59 PM robotustra: after I'll put wire everything good
08:00 PM robotustra: there is a connector called field power
08:02 PM XXCoder: okay this is weird lol http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-tivoo-speaker-grown-up-lite-brite-...-with-music/
08:04 PM jesseg: howdy folks
08:04 PM XXCoder: yo
08:08 PM R2E4: evening morning afternoon
08:08 PM robotustra: night
08:09 PM robotustra: modemcable
08:09 PM robotustra: videotron
08:09 PM robotustra: montreal
08:09 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, hey if you get a few minutes I have a huge favor to ask, but it's not urgent :D Something odd inside my mill's upper head I'm trying to understand. Looks like the driven variator shaft is a quarter of an inch too short LOL. If and when you give me the go ahead, I'll provide page numbers, link to manual, and item number and explain, oh and I'll post a pic of the strange wear pattern as well.
08:09 PM robotustra: he he
08:09 PM andypugh: 2am here. In between morning and night
08:09 PM robotustra: R2E4, I'm from mtl too
08:10 PM robotustra: or you are not from montreal?
08:14 PM robotustra: yeah, R2E4 is from montreal :)
08:19 PM robotustra: how to determine an encoder mode? if it TTL or in differential mode?
08:19 PM robotustra: and there are PNP and NPN encoders, is it refers to polarity?
08:22 PM jesseg: haha... Both the bearings in my spindle motor are SKF -- but one's made in Malaysia and the other is made in Framce. The Malaysian bearing is the one that's bad, of course it's also the front bearing so it takes a tonna side force.
08:24 PM XXCoder: beard it up. https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/DjcFBQrWsAA7ecO.mp4
08:24 PM XXCoder: mission impossible allright...
08:40 PM jesseg: naptime
08:41 PM XXCoder: mission: impossible naptime
08:42 PM andypugh: Bah! Instructables Clock Contest finalists are listed, and I didn’t make the cut :-(
08:42 PM XXCoder: I wondered if you saw what I said before, guess not.
08:43 PM XXCoder: but yeah drat. I think yours is one of top 4!
08:43 PM andypugh: I am upset to lose to https://www.instructables.com/id/Wooden-Clock-Out-of-Recycled-Skateboards/ i
08:43 PM XXCoder: yeah thats bottom 4 to me
08:44 PM XXCoder: I mean, it does look cool but its just material design
08:44 PM XXCoder: not creative clock at all.
08:44 PM andypugh: My base is better woodwork than that!
08:45 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: just saw your message, I have to go shortly but will be back in about 2hrs
08:45 PM andypugh: Now, in fairness, it’s about the quality of the Instructable, not the clock, but that’s a pretty poor instructabke too.
08:46 PM robotustra: she could grind scates to dust and then glue it again
08:47 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: what??? That won? WTH that is not even close to the same level as yours
08:48 PM XXCoder: hazzy-lab: finalist yes
08:48 PM XXCoder: one of 24
08:48 PM robotustra: andypugh, what was your project?
08:48 PM XXCoder: certainly noit skateboard one heh
08:48 PM robotustra: this one?
08:49 PM robotustra: that's why I never participate in contests
08:49 PM robotustra: to not upset muself
08:51 PM hazzy-lab: in general those clocks are pretty underwhelming
08:51 PM andypugh: robotustra: This was mine: https://www.instructables.com/id/Charlottes-Web-Style-LED-Filament-Clock/
08:51 PM robotustra: take a piece of wood, drill the hole in the middle -> win
08:52 PM XXCoder: robotustra: to be fair guy did more than that
08:52 PM XXCoder: its slices of skateboards
08:52 PM XXCoder: its still plain clock though
08:52 PM robotustra: nice 3d space clock
08:53 PM XXCoder: thw 2 cubes one?
08:53 PM robotustra: but looks fragile
08:53 PM robotustra: I'm more into violins
08:54 PM robotustra: my woodworking usually looks like this: https://imgur.com/6Bsqcqm
08:54 PM XXCoder: interesting
08:55 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/C6a9VkI
08:55 PM XXCoder: I might cnc up something for hell of it. looks, not actual music making, and give it away
08:55 PM XXCoder: just for challenge, very complex shapes
08:56 PM robotustra: before to start cnc lathe I did some workbenches from old stools
08:56 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/JtctfBE
08:57 PM hazzy-lab: I have not done much with wood in a long time, but if it's show and tell time: https://kurtjacobson.weebly.com/project-gallery.html
08:58 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: That looks like a very nice solid bench!
08:58 PM robotustra: is it your sofa project?
08:59 PM hazzy-lab: yes
08:59 PM hazzy-lab: I never finished it though ..
08:59 PM `Wolf: looks small
08:59 PM hazzy-lab: yes, it is about 8" long
08:59 PM hazzy-lab: lol
08:59 PM robotustra: it turns out that I'va already built about 5 workbenches,
08:59 PM hazzy-lab: it is just a mock up
09:00 PM robotustra: and 2 of them in canada :)
09:00 PM `Wolf: I know wood working somewhat, but not really my thing so I trade work with a friend of mine
09:00 PM flyback: STUPID CANUCKS
09:00 PM flyback: STUPID CANUCKS
09:00 PM hazzy-lab: lol
09:01 PM `Wolf: like this big ass thing https://i.imgur.com/MZo6nhb.jpg
09:01 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: yeah, I have been out of wood working for several years
09:01 PM hazzy-lab: I guess since 2011
09:02 PM hazzy-lab: if I work wood these days it is mostly for making foundry pattern
09:02 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: Nice!
09:02 PM robotustra: my violin https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maholet/24765393/355/355_900.jpg 2007
09:02 PM `Wolf: I do have some more cabinet work to do, I might get stuck doing it myself
09:03 PM hazzy-lab: nice reloading station
09:03 PM `Wolf: =) thanks
09:03 PM `Wolf: its too small lol
09:03 PM hazzy-lab: make an automated one!
09:04 PM `Wolf: problem is I have 4 presses on the bench
09:04 PM robotustra: no, my reloading station is really small :)
09:04 PM robotustra: my the only press occupy the corner of the table :)
09:06 PM robotustra: fast cabinet for cnc mill https://imgur.com/LqGSCUI
09:08 PM `Wolf: nice
09:08 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, you have to finish this sofa
09:08 PM `Wolf: my next need to do project is new frame under my lathe w/ some drawers to store stuff… like 300 files
09:09 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, very good woodworking
09:09 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: yes, I do need to finish it. We could use it, our current sofa is on it's last legs
09:09 PM hazzy-lab: Thank you!
09:10 PM robotustra: I'm telling you as a pro, because I have an education in woodworking and I'm a hobby violinmaker who did 14 violins
09:11 PM robotustra: actually I did a restorations of school violins too for a about 10 years
09:11 PM andypugh: I do woodwork too. http://bodgesoc.blogspot.com/2014/01/rivett-lathe-stand.html
09:11 PM robotustra: but after moving to canada I didn't have a chance to make violins
09:12 PM Tom_L: must be the weekend if andy's still here
09:12 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: violins are one of the hardest instruments to make
09:12 PM R2E4: Well, the Z is done on the plasma..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8MRAFo0FUg&feature=youtu.be
09:13 PM robotustra: andypugh, are you that guy who had built this lathe?
09:13 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: you must have a good ear and hand
09:13 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: You fumed it! Always wanted to try that
09:13 PM robotustra: yeah, I have good year for music, not absolute hearing but close to it
09:14 PM andypugh: There are two pieces of wood in this photos that were there when my parents bought the house: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ui8vCLKL3Mj9a9Vf1
09:14 PM robotustra: it looks like oak or ache
09:15 PM robotustra: it's oak
09:15 PM Tom_L: who's in the kitchen?
09:15 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: You might be interesting in my brothers site, he is a professional luthier: http://martinjacobson.com/id/
09:15 PM andypugh: (We made the stairs, the doors, the table)
09:15 PM andypugh: The roof
09:15 PM andypugh: The chap in the kitchen is my brother in law
09:16 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: very nice work!
09:16 PM Tom_L: yeah
09:16 PM andypugh: (My dad made the door hinges and catches)
09:16 PM robotustra: is it kind of banjo?
09:17 PM andypugh: I made the stained-glass windows that you can’t see because it is night.
09:17 PM robotustra: or mandaline?
09:17 PM robotustra: mandoline
09:17 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: not sure, he makes mandolins, banjos, and gatar
09:17 PM hazzy-lab: yes
09:18 PM hazzy-lab: and he has mad a few violins
09:18 PM robotustra: I was playing balalaika in my childhood
09:18 PM Tom_L: wonder how pete's coming on his guitar
09:18 PM robotustra: then made 3 electroguitars at highschool
09:19 PM robotustra: the quality were so so but they sounds more less ok
09:19 PM hazzy-lab: those are fun!
09:19 PM robotustra: and after uni I started to do violins
09:19 PM Tom_L: andypugh what type of wood are the rails?
09:19 PM robotustra: it's either oak or ache
09:20 PM robotustra: looks like oak
09:20 PM andypugh: I thing the bit of furniture I have made that turned out nost interesting was the stainless steel and leather laptop table. I really like the hidden underside: https://goo.gl/photos/6xfTUf7VnvsXK1jT7
09:20 PM Tom_L: maybe, looks tighter grain than that
09:21 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab's woodworking is 5/5
09:21 PM andypugh: I only ever work with Quercus Alba (English Oak) :-)
09:21 PM robotustra: andypugh, 4.5/5
09:22 PM robotustra: :)
09:22 PM robotustra: joking
09:22 PM hazzy-lab: lol
09:22 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, has more fine taste
09:22 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: Oh, that lathe cabined catches my fancy!!
09:23 PM Tom_L: you can see the stained glass there too
09:23 PM robotustra: actually you are giving me a challenge to make better ;0
09:23 PM robotustra: )
09:24 PM robotustra: but it will cost a fortune
09:24 PM robotustra: just a material for this bench will be around 500-600$
09:24 PM andypugh: It’s a replica of the orignals that thwy were (optiionally) delivered with. For $2000 in 1936. You might like to consider what else $2000 would buy you in 1936.
09:25 PM hazzy-lab: a house, almost nearly
09:25 PM hazzy-lab: neat!
09:26 PM robotustra: anyway, very nice job, I can imagine how hard to build such cabinet
09:29 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: I can't find a good pic, but I built my shop in a kinda timber frame style. just regular cheap lumber, but i think it looks ok. I think I will build my house like this, when ever that happens :): https://i.imgur.com/xAP1PIH.png
09:30 PM hazzy-lab: just look at the ceiling
09:30 PM Tom_L: that your workplace?
09:30 PM hazzy-lab: yes, before it got filled up, lol
09:30 PM robotustra: looks like it is
09:31 PM robotustra: hm, I don't have money yet to get a house
09:32 PM robotustra: so just have to keep going in a man's cave
09:32 PM andypugh: A house made of wood? That won’t last! (My dad and I were a bit affected by the fact that the house we were working on had been there since 1450.
09:32 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: it does not mater what kinda of space you have, its what you do in it. you do very good work for what you have!
09:32 PM Tom_L: had it been in your family?
09:33 PM robotustra: do you think people in 1450 could build good houses?
09:33 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: this house is not made of wood even, it made of toothpicks
09:33 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, thanks, hope I'll build this cnc and will build a humaniod robot as well
09:36 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/upiWuTxzZKkpJZmm1 The big A-frame supporting the roof (technically a “cruck”) is original, as are the stone walls. The roof (other than the cruck) had fallen in when my parents bought the place and had to be replaced.
09:36 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: didn't you mention once you were able to put the original slates back on? very few modern houses will last 100yrs at the out most
09:37 PM andypugh: We put _some_ of the original slates back. Many had been broken by the roof collapse
09:37 PM hazzy-lab: ok
09:38 PM andypugh: This dates back to 19k2 modems, when the web was young. But that room in that last photo is the roofless space in this photo: http://www.bodgesoc.org/before2.jpg
09:40 PM andypugh: 1992 web-site, when a :Thumbnail” really was, and the full size image was baely bigger. http://www.bodgesoc.org/slaithwaite.html
09:41 PM robotustra: it's a castle
09:44 PM robotustra: "many many years ago, when the bytes were bits..." I think fairy tails nowadays should start like so..
09:44 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, sounds great, I'll be here when you return!
09:45 PM andypugh: During that project I learned a huge lesson from my dad. No matter how big a project is, if you start it, and don’t stop, eventually you will finish, The rwo of us did everything.
09:46 PM robotustra: confirm
09:46 PM `Wolf: thats my problem with my house, I stopped
09:46 PM robotustra: do a little every day
09:47 PM robotustra: if you can't do - think about it
09:47 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/gy2TXeL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ez6Re6r.jpg
09:47 PM robotustra: if you can't think about it - lay down in that direction.
09:48 PM `Wolf: same corner that we were cutting the floor beams out of https://i.imgur.com/Khofc8h.jpg
09:49 PM robotustra: are yo remaking floors ?
09:49 PM andypugh: ‘Wolf__ Oooh! No! Not sure you want to take a chainsaw to that particular bit of wood :-)
09:49 PM `Wolf: everything but the corner beams and walls
09:49 PM robotustra: I mean ground floor-basement?
09:50 PM `Wolf: all of them, new joists on the 1st and 2nd floor
09:51 PM robotustra: is it called renovation?
09:52 PM `Wolf: called I should have torn the original house down and just built a new one on the property
09:52 PM andypugh: Our house was in some ways simpler. Stone walls 3’ thick built on the bedrock. In fact in the corner of the kitchen they have carved out the bedrock into a wall, the bottom 18” is natutal stone. So even without the wood, roof, floors, it was going nowhere.
09:53 PM robotustra: andypugh, it should be warm in the area you live
09:53 PM `Wolf: my kitchen had no stone wall under it, lazy fucks stopped after 3 feet from the original house foundation
09:54 PM robotustra: 3'?
09:54 PM robotustra: 90 cm&
09:54 PM robotustra: ?
09:54 PM `Wolf: yeah, like 6 stones then nothing, still beam laying on dirt
09:55 PM robotustra: as I told a mid age castle
09:56 PM `Wolf: I ended up jacking the whole back of the house up and pouring a footer under it
09:57 PM robotustra: andypugh, is this i UK?
09:58 PM robotustra: in*
09:58 PM `Wolf: my house is in the USA, 1820’s or earlier, 2’ thick stack stone foundation
09:58 PM `Wolf: 5’ deep cellar
10:00 PM robotustra: 5' is not enough
10:01 PM robotustra: dwarf's size
10:02 PM robotustra: hm, I have to think about base for new lathe too
10:02 PM `Wolf: its a cellar, only thing down there is my well pump, water system, water heater, hydronic floor heat zone control and the branch box for the split system heat/ac
10:03 PM andypugh: robotustra: Yes. UK A 1450 house in the US would be a national park :-)
10:03 PM robotustra: with dynasaurs
10:06 PM robotustra: UK is a place with no winter
10:09 PM `Wolf: jesseg: what bearing did you need? https://i.imgur.com/D3NE73x.jpg lol
10:11 PM jesseg: `Wolf, is that your friend's huge bearing?
10:11 PM `Wolf: same guy, but look at the yellow trays
10:11 PM andypugh: robotustra: And, normally, no Summer. My job takes me to the Arctic in winter and Arizona in summer. I like that the UK is nice all year round.
10:12 PM Tom_L: do you like Arizona?
10:12 PM jesseg: `Wolf, that guy probably does have the bearings I need :P
10:12 PM Tom_L: not much there
10:13 PM `Wolf: jesseg: probably, I need to go talk to him sometime next week
10:14 PM jesseg: `Wolf, hey can I come with you? LOL (Joking of course..)
10:14 PM jesseg: I seriously need like 8 bearings for my head
10:14 PM `Wolf: get me some numbers
10:15 PM andypugh: Tom_L: Not really. I do like Rovaniemi, and I could not explain why, even to myself.
10:16 PM Tom_L: do you ever test in death valley?
10:17 PM jesseg: `Wolf, well I'm in USA, not sure I know where you are but here's the numbers:6010ZZ, 6011ZZ, 6007ZZ, 6908ZZ(x2), 6203ZZ(x2), 6205-2RS, 6207-2RS
10:17 PM `Wolf: I’m east coast usa
10:17 PM jesseg: ahh gotcha I'm west coast :P
10:17 PM andypugh: Tom_L: We don’t. Some other teams do,
10:18 PM XXCoder: so many here is east usa or germany lol
10:18 PM XXCoder: west side here
10:18 PM Tom_L: it's considered the hottest place on earth
10:18 PM andypugh: Only by Americans :-)
10:19 PM Tom_L: The world record highest air temperature of 134F (57C) was recorded at Furnace Creek on July 10, 1913.
10:19 PM Tom_L: iirc it's below sea level as well
10:20 PM `Wolf: jesseg: i’ll see what I can find =)
10:20 PM jesseg: `Wolf, anyway basically I can get those bearings for about $50 each from the mill manufacturer, and they are probably NSK that they would send me.. so it's not like I can't get them, although it would make my budget very pleased to get them for less :D :D
10:20 PM andypugh: https://www.livescience.com/19700-hottest-place-earth.html
10:20 PM robotustra: andypugh, I see you can build and cast any device from scratch?
10:21 PM robotustra: even from cast iron?
10:21 PM jesseg: `Wolf, and actually, a lot of these have rubber seals even though the parts manual just says shielded.. .
10:22 PM andypugh: robotustra: I don’t actually do any casting. I have dound that commercial foundries are surprisingly cheap
10:22 PM robotustra: but you did big molds 1:1 scale
10:23 PM andypugh: So I just send patterns and pay £50 or so a week later
10:23 PM `Wolf: I’ll see what he has there, I haven’t been over to his place in a year lol but I need to raid his stuff to see what he has laying around and I need a few things he has as well =)
10:23 PM Tom_L: i won't quabble over a couple degrees... either place would be rather uncomfortale to be
10:25 PM andypugh: Tom_L: Lut desert had a surface temperature of 159F / 70C. You would not actually be able to touch the ground.
10:26 PM andypugh: But there is no weather station there, because it is irrelevant
10:26 PM XXCoder: if thats that hot it would be great site for stirling generators
10:28 PM jesseg: `Wolf, I just checked and actually every one of those bearings should be lifetime sealed. or whatever LB means. There's no way to lubricate them once assembled, but I guess that's how Taiwanese spindle drive heads are from 20 years ago :D
10:29 PM robotustra: andypugh, are you restoring these machines for yourself or for sale?
10:32 PM `Wolf: jesseg: dunno, I’ll take a look, hopefully early in the week next week and see whats there, quick look shows some of whats showing in the pic are deep grove single shield
10:33 PM jesseg: Does single shield have one open side?
10:33 PM `Wolf: yup
10:33 PM jesseg: gotcha
10:33 PM * hazzy-lab returns!
10:33 PM jesseg: yeah, with the variator belt making belt dust in there I suppose at least shielded, perhaps even sealed, would be best.
10:33 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, welcome back!
10:33 PM hazzy-lab: ty
10:34 PM hazzy-lab: what so you have?
10:34 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, also, I got my spindle motor all apart - the bearings were firm in the case - but the front bearing was worn but the rear bearing tight so there was no end play but the front bearing let the shaft swing back and forth LOL.
10:35 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, andypugh's metal works is better than your woodworking ;-)
10:35 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, OK so item number 45 on right-bottom of PDF page 47 (12-5) - the top of that tube shaft goes into bearing at top of case - but only half way in: https://www.atrump.com/images/tech_support/05%20Manual%20download/mill/K2V%20Operating%20Manual.pdf
10:36 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: interesting. so the bearing just had that much slop? that is good, easy to replace a bearing!
10:36 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, and here's my wear pattern: http://videoflier.com/files/worn-shaft.jpg
10:36 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: You have not seen my metal working ...
10:36 PM hazzy-lab: :D
10:36 PM hazzy-lab: just kidding
10:36 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, yes that front bearing just had that much slop! Pulled them, will order new ones.
10:36 PM jesseg: Had to use bearing press to press bearings out of motor case so that's good :D
10:36 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, true
10:37 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: https://kurtjacobson.weebly.com/projects.html
10:37 PM hazzy-lab: some of it, old stuff
10:37 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: ouch! that is some serious wear!
10:38 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, yes.. well I guess having a shaft only half way in the bearing is going to tend to do that -- and it's supporting the side force of the variator belt too.
10:38 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, is it cast aluminum or iron?
10:38 PM jesseg: aluminum :D
10:38 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: al
10:39 PM jesseg: super sweet aluminum casting projects there hazzy-dev
10:39 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: thanks
10:39 PM robotustra: paper scale indexer..
10:40 PM jesseg: when I grow up that's what I want to do is cast parts like that :P
10:40 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: it was for making wooden clock gears
10:40 PM hazzy-lab: haha
10:40 PM hazzy-lab: that is what I had time to do before I grew up
10:40 PM hazzy-lab: :P
10:40 PM jesseg: aint that the truth
10:41 PM jesseg: by that I only mean that when we get really into living our lives there's little time to do what we really want to do :P
10:41 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, what do you use? green sand? how do you degase al? any salt?
10:42 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: right
10:42 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, so what do you think about my strange wear problem, or more specifically, why does that shaft only go half way into the bearing? Think there's a wrong shaft or a wrong case put into this?
10:43 PM XXCoder: thefordboy often shwos degassing Al when hes casting stuff
10:43 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: Yes, regular play sand with some bentonite clay added. no degassing
10:43 PM XXCoder: he also uses flux to protect alum from oxygen
10:43 PM jesseg: Isn't bentonite like kitty litter?
10:43 PM hazzy-lab: yes!
10:43 PM jesseg: cool!
10:43 PM robotustra: I that casting is too clean
10:44 PM * hazzy-lab looks are the parts diagram
10:44 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, it's the shaft that supports the two driven variator shiv pulley halves.
10:45 PM robotustra: I'm not there yet, I'd got my first serious machine in 2011 only
10:45 PM XXCoder: love that countweight wheel
10:45 PM XXCoder: looks great
10:46 PM robotustra: as soon as he good in woodworking hazzy-lab can do great models for castings
10:46 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: that shaft runs in ball bearings, right?
10:47 PM jesseg: hazzy-lab, yes there's a ball bearing at the bottom which is shown on that page, then there's the half-inserted ball bearing at the top on the next page -- the one that is worn funny is the bearing right at the top where you put on the wrench to tighten the drawbar.
10:47 PM robotustra: isn't that cool? https://kurtjacobson.weebly.com/uploads/5/8/4/2/58426975/550589_orig.jpg
10:48 PM jesseg: absolutely
10:48 PM XXCoder: cnc machined mold or?
10:49 PM XXCoder: or cnc machined copy of it for green sand
10:49 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: I am thinking that that bearing must have siezed up to get that kind of wear
10:49 PM hazzy-lab: XXCoder: no, hand cut with a fret saw
10:49 PM hazzy-lab: back then I had time for that kinda thing :)
10:50 PM XXCoder: interesting
10:50 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, the bearing seems fine. it's just that the shaft was only half way into the bearing.
10:50 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, 5/5
10:51 PM robotustra: both hands are right
10:51 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: I used to let my students come over and cast those tittle flywheels, they had a blast
10:51 PM hazzy-lab: that was one of theirs
10:52 PM robotustra: look at these tables https://kurtjacobson.weebly.com/uploads/5/8/4/2/58426975/1950550_orig.jpg
10:52 PM robotustra: both wooden and metal
10:52 PM jesseg: hazzy-lab, in person, the wear just looks like the bearing has been lose and walking on the surface for a long time. THere's no discoloration of heat. I'm guessing either the wrong end plate bearing holder got put on, or a short shaft got put in.
10:53 PM `Wolf: jesseg: whats the link to the exploded view again?
10:53 PM jesseg: `Wolf, OK so item number 45 on right-bottom of PDF page 47 (12-5) - the top of that tube shaft goes into bearing at top of case - but only half way in: https://www.atrump.com/images/tech_support/05%20Manual%20download/mill/K2V%20Operating%20Manual.pdf
10:54 PM hazzy-lab: my guess is maybe some unfavorable tolerance stack up, a short shaft, in a tall casting ..
10:54 PM robotustra: hmm... I have to buy a house... I have to buy a house... I have to buy a house...
10:55 PM XXCoder: build a house... build a house... build a house
10:55 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: actually,it looks kinda short in the drawing too
10:55 PM roycroft: print a house print a house print a house
10:55 PM robotustra: I already built one
10:55 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, lol yeah the drawing is not to scale.
10:55 PM robotustra: but it left in other country
10:55 PM XXCoder: robotustra: challenge yourself. build a micro house
10:55 PM hazzy-lab: Jeebiss: I hope not, lol
10:56 PM robotustra: XXCoder, I have to build a house in right country
10:56 PM XXCoder: https://www.opensourceecology.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/microhouse_4.png
10:56 PM robotustra: first, move to US, then build or buy a house
10:57 PM `Wolf: jesseg: top bearing is on page 12-3 somewhere right?
10:57 PM XXCoder: https://opensourceecology.dozuki.com/c/Microhouse if curious
10:57 PM jesseg: `Wolf, top bearing is #43 on page 12-7 (bottom left of page.)
10:58 PM jesseg: `Wolf, this mill came in both a stepped pulley configuration and the variator configuration - so the manual covers both. I have the variator version.
10:58 PM `Wolf: how about spacer 46 on 12-5, that wasn’t missing was it?
10:59 PM jesseg: `Wolf, spacers 46 and 47 are both there.
11:00 PM `Wolf: not easy to look at a assembly print to find the issue lol
11:00 PM jesseg: and the notched belt 121 for the back gear was lined up very nicely too
11:00 PM robotustra: is the coolant stench?
11:01 PM jesseg: lol yeah these exploded diagrams would be useless if I wasn't looking at the actual machine LOL.
11:01 PM jesseg: But they are more clearly drawn then most of the ones I've seen for real bridgeports
11:01 PM `Wolf: true…
11:01 PM `Wolf: my Jet has some crazy drawings in the manual, sectional views of all the parts
11:02 PM jesseg: lol cool
11:02 PM `Wolf: cap 42 12-7, how much room is in there for the bearing? room to add a spacer at the top?
11:03 PM jesseg: `Wolf, yeah cap 42 has plenty of room. The bearing goes fully into it. I thought about putting a spacer to keep the bearing down lower but that would mean the bearing was only half supported on the outer race. I may make a replacement cap 42 that is correctly spaced.
11:03 PM jesseg: probably someone put the wrong cap on, now that you mention it. LOL.
11:04 PM `Wolf: or its just a poor design
11:04 PM jesseg: I can't believe they actually had a 1/4" error and went into production...
11:04 PM jesseg: but I suppose it's possible LOL.
11:05 PM jesseg: more likely someone put the cap from a different machine on
11:05 PM `Wolf: not optimal, but it did work all this time right? lol
11:05 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: I am a nuclear engineer by training, so have done a lot of cool stuff with that, but few pictures. I did find a pic of an alpha detector i made: https://i.imgur.com/XOnEfYy.png
11:06 PM jesseg: `Wolf, oh yeah it worked fine. Just bloody noisy now so I started tearing it apart to find out why, and all the bearings were just worn out.
11:06 PM jesseg: hazzy-lab, that's a super cool detector
11:07 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: I guess you know where the noise was coming from!
11:07 PM hazzy-lab: ty
11:07 PM `Wolf: making me feel like my skill sets are lacking =P
11:07 PM `Wolf: nice looking work
11:08 PM hazzy-lab: the tungsten detectors are really cool, but can't show :(
11:08 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, lol yeah most of the main bearings had a gravely rumble to them even turning them by hand. I'm like "OK this isn't normal."
11:09 PM jesseg: could feel little flat spots while turning by hand. That'll make some noise with speed
11:09 PM `Wolf: lol, thats not good
11:09 PM hazzy-lab: hahaha, that is not good at all
11:10 PM hazzy-lab: how old is the mill?
11:10 PM `Wolf: I’m still dumbfounded on how quiet these 1.5hp motors are…
11:10 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, it's like a 1996 model
11:10 PM jesseg: so what, 22 years?
11:11 PM hazzy-lab: oh, not old at all, younger than me, which is saying a lot!
11:11 PM hazzy-lab: Mine is from 71, it was really clapped out
11:11 PM `Wolf: my Jet is 1985
11:11 PM jesseg: Paid $1800 for it in a trashed state couple years ago, which was too much *but* it was less then a mile from my shop and I live in area where there just aren't good options for industrial machinery so I snapped it up :P
11:12 PM jesseg: so being close was an immense value...
11:12 PM jesseg: but now I'm trying to fix it up lol
11:12 PM XXCoder: transpoprtion would cost a lot
11:12 PM `Wolf: but my Jet was also a single owner machine
11:13 PM hazzy-lab: yeah, it pays to find one close, riggers are expensive ..
11:13 PM `Wolf: whats riggers?
11:13 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/fqp4eES.jpg
11:13 PM jesseg: in my case, a friend had a tilting flatbed, and the seller had a forklift, and I had some 3" round pipe sections LOL.
11:14 PM `Wolf: I got to pull mine out of a basement, with steps…
11:14 PM jesseg: yikes
11:14 PM jesseg: makes my toes and fingers bleed just to think about it
11:15 PM `Wolf: I did some creative rigging to get it out
11:15 PM jesseg: `Wolf, hazzy-lab - thanks very much for taking a look at my thing here, really appreciate it. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking something obvious :D When I start getting it all back together I'll keep an eye out for what might have been assembled wrong. I may be able to modify the top bearing plate so the alignment is correct.
11:16 PM jesseg: `Wolf, I'll bet you did some bloody creative rigging :P
11:16 PM hazzy-lab: I don't believe in riggers, LOL: https://i.imgur.com/AvsXfOy.png https://i.imgur.com/npnULk3.png
11:16 PM `Wolf: might be the best bet making a new top thinger
11:16 PM `Wolf: lol hazzy-lab
11:17 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: absolutely, keep us posted on the progress
11:17 PM jesseg: `Wolf, yeah, the top cap thing is a simple round shape easily made on a lathe. May even be able to just turn the flange thinner to make it set deeper.
11:17 PM jesseg: hazzy-lab, oh I will, you'll all be tired of me by the end of it :D
11:17 PM `Wolf: wasn’t that creative, just used a chain fall to pull it out the door in to the stairwell then up to the forks, then it was just lift and set it on the trailer with the machine
11:18 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, hahaha.. poor little pickup. but yeah.. whatever gets the mill home.
11:18 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: it was a pretty long trip, lol
11:19 PM hazzy-lab: truck is rated to 1500, it had 2200lbs in it xD
11:19 PM `Wolf: so glad I have my truck for stuff like that https://i.imgur.com/Jw1eOEg.jpg :P
11:19 PM jesseg: I guess I was blessed with easy delivery. Sellers of both the lathe and the mill had forklifts and they just set it on my friend's tilting car hauler trailer, so upon arival, we just tilted and rolled it on pipes
11:19 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, what are strings in the device? is it for magnetic field creation?
11:19 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: that is cheating at life, haha
11:20 PM `Wolf: next I need to build a flatbed so I can bring my spare forklift here to the other shop location
11:20 PM `Wolf: only 6k lbs so I can put the forklift on the back of the truck lol
11:20 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: yes, those are .00175" tungsten wires that are at -10kV, the plate it at 0v, so very high eletric field
11:21 PM robotustra: is it a camera for radioactive gases?
11:21 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: that would be sweet!
11:22 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/yERX7l3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mPeN8aB.jpg
11:22 PM robotustra: ah, it's a vacuum chamber
11:22 PM `Wolf: pretty common for me to move heavy stuffs
11:25 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: more or less. when an alpha particle (a helium-4 nucleus) enters the electric field it causes the wires to spark to the ground plate, and the spark can be detected by a pulse counter. The number of sparks per minute is used for determining the radioactivity of a substance
11:25 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: it is filled with nitrogen
11:25 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: man, i like that bed!!
11:26 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, ok, no need so much details, I'm physicist too :)
11:26 PM robotustra: solid state physics
11:26 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: excellent!
11:26 PM hazzy-lab: I did not know
11:26 PM * `Wolf has no idea wtf any of that stuff means
11:26 PM robotustra: I quit teaching in 2010
11:27 PM `Wolf: I’m just a metal glue gun operator
11:27 PM robotustra: and moved to canada
11:27 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, I needed the details :D
11:27 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: are you still in Canada?
11:27 PM robotustra: yes
11:27 PM hazzy-lab: I have family there
11:27 PM robotustra: you've told me
11:28 PM robotustra: in mtl
11:28 PM hazzy-lab: oh, lol
11:28 PM `Wolf: hazzy-lab: that bed is such a POS lol was a $500 craigslist special
11:28 PM robotustra: I go sleep, see you tomorrow
11:28 PM `Wolf: thing is so out of place on that truck
11:29 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: night
11:30 PM `Wolf: but I can’t see forking out close to $3k for a new dump bed
11:31 PM hazzy-lab: it looks like it gets the job done
11:31 PM `Wolf: right now its not, tailgate fell off of it and floor is rusted out lol
11:32 PM hazzy-lab: :D
11:33 PM hazzy-lab: ok then
11:33 PM `Wolf: I only got the dump bed for snow removal contract anyways so I’m not worried about it, we just had 2 people put in orders for flat beds so I’ll build a couple for my truck at the same time
11:33 PM hazzy-lab: nice!
11:34 PM `Wolf: not much to them https://i.imgur.com/wSkwsNi.jpg
11:39 PM `Wolf: I still need to replace the hydraulic valve block on the hook and build a pendant system for it
11:40 PM `Wolf: that might be fun, somehow stumble through coding a wired/wireless arduino setup to PWM the valve coils
11:47 PM jesseg: hey would you guys put these bearings in your spindle motor? lol https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/35434422
11:47 PM jesseg: they are half the cost of SKF
11:48 PM `Wolf: probably not
11:48 PM Tom_L: looks like half the quality too
11:48 PM jesseg: lol that's kind of the feeling I'm getting
11:49 PM jesseg: I'll probably just stick SKF in there
11:49 PM `Wolf: I’ll see if I can get ahold of my surplus guy tomorrow
11:49 PM jesseg: `Wolf, ok wonderful! Thank you so much! I'll hold off ordering for a day or two. Don't want to wait too long lest I forget how it all goes back together LOL :D
11:52 PM jesseg: `Wolf, I know the numbers I gave you mostly ended in ZZ, but in reality, LB or 2RS extensions would also work (and actually be preferable) - Important thing is size and obviously not Chinese junk :D
11:53 PM `Wolf: yeah, I already noted that
11:53 PM XXCoder: hmm trying to remember who helped me figure clothes washer issues?
11:53 PM `Wolf: I’ll see what I can find in what size first lol
11:53 PM jesseg: thanks so much!
11:54 PM XXCoder: because new dog ears worked great, just that theres also some other issue because its not rotating but motor turns on
11:54 PM `Wolf: he is a whole 15mins from my house
11:54 PM `Wolf: I think Tom L was helping ya with that
11:54 PM `Wolf: but I know a little about fixing them things as well
11:54 PM jesseg: `Wolf, would it help if I made a list by dimensions in mm? or is the 4 digit codes sufficiently universal? Seems mine are all deep grove.
11:55 PM `Wolf: 4 is fine seeing thats whats on the boxes
11:55 PM jesseg: excellent
11:55 PM `Wolf: knowing him, he might just try to sell me the whole lot
11:55 PM jesseg: LOL
11:56 PM `Wolf: I first met him looking for rexnor conveyor wheels, I ended up with all he had for $75
11:56 PM jesseg: LOL!
11:56 PM `Wolf: so now I have like 400 conveyor belt drive gears lol
11:57 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/laxLaSP.jpg
11:58 PM jesseg: haha now what are you gonna do?
11:58 PM `Wolf: I need to sort/spread sheet them, then list on eBay
11:58 PM `Wolf: I sorted them, but I need to figure out better storage for them
11:58 PM jesseg: gotcha
11:59 PM `Wolf: he had them listed by part number, which doesn’t mean much because its a internal part number lol
11:59 PM jesseg: roger