Aug 01 2018
12:00 AM `Wolf: nice lol
12:05 AM `Wolf: I grabbed a foredorm type thing off facebook tonight, well sorta foredorm
12:05 AM roycroft: so there live opers finally
12:07 AM roycroft: yeah, only about 10,000% better than a dremel
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12:07 AM roycroft: oh brother
12:09 AM ziper: more power or?
12:09 AM `Wolf: more power, actual bearings
12:15 AM `Wolf: they have some nice hand pieces for the foredom as well
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12:41 AM roycroft: i have to be at work at 6 tomorrow, so it's an early to bed night
12:42 AM roycroft: and a good night for tht
12:42 AM roycroft: that
12:55 AM IchGucksLive: did we get hacked here
12:56 AM hazzy-m: spammed
12:56 AM hazzy-m: lots of it
12:56 AM hazzy-m: not the kind that is good to eat :(
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01:00 AM IchGucksLive: hazzy-m, he might have written a good spam script
01:01 AM IchGucksLive: we shoudt inform the Freenode mod guys
01:07 AM IchGucksLive: off 2 garden
01:18 AM jesseg: Hrm as I get my mill head torn more and more apart, it seems every bearing in there is bad :P
01:18 AM jesseg: which I guess could explain the racket it was making
01:21 AM MarcelineVQ: "<roycroft> hopefully there will be some k-lines forthcoming" they're all auto k-lined but the trigger is from messages being sent so it's not preventative
01:24 AM miss0r2: Hey. Do any of you guys know of a good aluminium welding shop in poland?
01:24 AM jesseg: not I :P
01:24 AM miss0r2: Now what is that supposed to mean? :D
01:38 AM jesseg: I've never even been to Poland, or anywhere accept USA & Canada
01:38 AM miss0r2: alright :]
01:38 AM jesseg: I don't even know of any good aluminum welding shops here in USA :P
01:39 AM miss0r2: I'm from Denmark and want to use the lower production prices in Poland for a larger order
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01:44 AM syyl: oh those fckn spamattack is still going on
01:44 AM miss0r2: yup
01:45 AM miss0r2: syyl: Do you know any aluminium welding shops in poland that know their stuff?
01:45 AM syyl: uhm
01:45 AM syyl: no
01:45 AM jesseg: hey cradek, seb_kuzminsky , any other admins: Freenode has a special bot named Sigyn which you can request to join here (but you have to be an op I think) and it'll watch for those spammers and kill them as soon as they speak in any channel where Sigyn is idling.
01:45 AM miss0r2: :]
01:46 AM jesseg: basically it is run by freenode staff so it can actually terminate TCP connections of spammers automatically
01:46 AM miss0r2: syyl: As in; you know one, and they suck or you don't know any? :)
01:46 AM syyl: i dont know any :D
01:47 AM miss0r2: Alright :]
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01:55 AM gildarts_: A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
01:56 AM miss0r2: so this spam is about some opers on freenode being pedofiles.. wtf
02:02 AM Deejay: moin
02:07 AM miss0r2: mornin'
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03:10 AM miss0r2: I'm getting cold feet with my colt 1911 build. I'm going to build one with a massive barrel (no bore), but I am unsure if that is even legal in Denmark. And I am having a hard time getting any real answer from the police... *sigh*
03:20 AM MarcelineVQ: :(
03:21 AM MarcelineVQ: shouldn't even have mentioned it, better to find a gun club if at all possible and ask them
03:21 AM MarcelineVQ: you're probably on a list just for having asked
03:40 AM gonzo_: if your laws are anything like the UK, then even the experts don't know the answers. They are a total dog's dinner
03:41 AM gonzo_: even the licencing departments know very little about guns. They are mostly just shuffling pits of paper with make/model/serial number
03:42 AM gonzo_: as soon as you start making things/modifying them/etc, their system falls down
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04:09 AM miss0r2: This botnet spam is getting out'a hand
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05:03 AM jthornton: morning
05:03 AM XXCoder: yo
05:20 AM Tom_L: morning
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05:38 AM miss0r2: MarcelineVQ: hehe, I am probally on a watchlist now yeah
05:40 AM gonzo_: in the UK, we can build things, as long as we have a permission for the built thing on the licence. Then when completed to a point, you register it
05:40 AM miss0r2: Sure. But in Denmark you can't even own a gun unless you use it for sports. That is the *only* legal reason to own one
05:41 AM miss0r2: well.. you can have hunting rigles
05:41 AM gonzo_: though handguns are very difficult to get permissions for
05:41 AM XXCoder: not police work?
05:41 AM miss0r2: rifles*
05:41 AM miss0r2: Sure, but they are not realy owned by the police
05:41 AM XXCoder: ah peronal vs work item
05:41 AM miss0r2: they are state property.
05:41 AM gonzo_: miss0r2, pretty much the same here. Sporting = target shooting.
05:41 AM miss0r2: gonzo_: Exactly
05:42 AM miss0r2: Same goes for military personel. Also not their own weapons
05:42 AM gonzo_: snap
05:43 AM gonzo_: getting a licence is a bit of an effort, but if you join an approved target shooting club, or have land to hunt on, it's not to hard
05:43 AM miss0r2: I just want to make a colt 1911 because of the challenge of replicating early 1900 machining :)
05:43 AM gonzo_: nice project
05:44 AM miss0r2: I think so. But alot harder than you'd think :D
05:44 AM gonzo_: wish i could dvise
05:44 AM gonzo_: advise
05:44 AM miss0r2: why couldn't you?
05:44 AM miss0r2: brb, starting cnc on new workpeice
05:45 AM gonzo_: I only know )some of) the uk law
05:45 AM gonzo_: enjoy
05:47 AM miss0r2: ahh. I'm talking Danish law here.
05:48 AM miss0r2: Which renders you even less able to advise :D
05:48 AM XXCoder: miss0r2: how about nonfunctional copy?
05:48 AM XXCoder: say you cant even insert bullets in
05:49 AM XXCoder: make it to nonexistant bullet standard
05:49 AM miss0r2: XXCoder: Well, that is what I am making; no barrel bore/chamber. the barrel insert will be massive
05:49 AM miss0r2: I'm still unsure if it will fly, as I guess it would be possible to aquire a factory barrel?
05:50 AM XXCoder: maybe make every part nonfunctional in a way that dont make your project easier
05:50 AM miss0r2: hehe yeah :)
05:50 AM miss0r2: I want to be able to do a 'reload' motion and have the hammer go 'click'
05:51 AM miss0r2: otherwise, wheres the challange?
05:51 AM XXCoder: would they accept nonexistant bullet spec gun?
05:51 AM XXCoder: maybe not as they might think you would make bullets and hide em
05:52 AM miss0r2: I don't know. you can't get a straight answer around here, but you can be sure they will come arrest you if you make something that is illegal anyway
05:54 AM miss0r2: bah.. The job i'm running now: the post processor managed to 'not' add g0 at the rapids. This will take a while longer :D
05:55 AM XXCoder: weird
05:55 AM miss0r2: well, the post processor is a home brew'n one, so it has its flaws, I must admit
05:57 AM XXCoder: ohhh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UGY8iJH_aY
05:58 AM XXCoder: "lets teleport over to mill" lol
05:58 AM miss0r2: yeah :] You gotta love him
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06:05 AM XXCoder: miss0r2: heh he uses tool thats pretty shot.
06:05 AM miss0r2: yeah :]
06:05 AM XXCoder: I would have already replaced the tool. but then shop can afford it
06:07 AM XXCoder: yeserday I changed tool 4 times making 150 parts. 0.5" endmill
06:08 AM XXCoder: part is pretty sensive, and hold is in such way that if tool gets dull part rotates.
06:08 AM XXCoder: its lathe first, then mill in hex
06:09 AM miss0r2: damn
06:10 AM miss0r2: I can't afford to change out tools all the time
06:10 AM miss0r2: Theres only one SOB to pay for it all
06:10 AM miss0r2: <-
06:10 AM XXCoder: hex is easy part. rest of part is insanely sensive on tolences
06:10 AM XXCoder: lathe its way easier to hold insane tolences than mill
06:11 AM XXCoder: yopu can regrind tools?
06:11 AM XXCoder: that'd be way to extend tool life
06:12 AM XXCoder: think we only regrind half inch tools
06:12 AM XXCoder: rest usually either breaks or lives forever
06:13 AM XXCoder: smaller sizes simply not worth money regrinding I think
06:14 AM XXCoder: facemills we use a LOT to save money on tooling
06:15 AM miss0r2: I don't regrind tools. I'm not sure I have it in me :D
06:16 AM miss0r2: Once in a while i regrind an insert for some lathe tooling
06:16 AM miss0r2: But other than that I just try not to wear them down too fast
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06:16 AM XXCoder: im not sure what tool regrind process is like
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06:23 AM miss0r2: XXCoder: Well, regrinding an endmill would suck, well, you 'could' take off the bottom and resharpen that, but doing the flutes would result in a lower diameter which would suck to keep track of
06:23 AM gregcnc: It's done all the time.
06:24 AM XXCoder: most times diameter dont really matter all that much as long as it cuts fine, and part radius does NOT depend on tool diameter. if either is not true then it matters
06:24 AM XXCoder: calipers can get diamter pretty good
06:25 AM XXCoder: gonna love tool diameter comp
06:27 AM gregcnc: I had some endmills in a toolbox I bought that had fresh TiN coating on them. I tried a couple and had big problems cutting.
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06:28 AM XXCoder: weird
06:28 AM XXCoder: chineseium endmills?
06:28 AM gregcnc: turns out they weren't resharpened, just recoated
06:28 AM XXCoder: doh
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06:29 AM miss0r2: lol
06:29 AM miss0r2: bah. This spam is driving me nuts
06:29 AM XXCoder: indeed
06:30 AM XXCoder: in least they are kicked before they can finish spam
06:30 AM XXCoder: most times
06:30 AM miss0r2: yeah
06:30 AM miss0r2: Its hard to fight off a botnet
06:30 AM miss0r2: I just hope no real IRC people are banned because they have malware
06:31 AM miss0r2: That'd realy suck for them
06:31 AM XXCoder: yeah though can be short term ban
06:32 AM jthornton: I don't see the bot on #raspberrypi because you have to be registered to get on that channel
06:33 AM XXCoder: none in reprap also
06:33 AM miss0r2: electronics, arduino and diycnc olso got off easy
06:33 AM XXCoder: they went registed last week, planned to remove requirement but bots isnt going away yet.
06:33 AM Unit193: +r or +q $~a will stop them.
06:34 AM XXCoder: do we even have ops here now?
06:34 AM methods_: yeah there are several ops in here
06:35 AM miss0r2: Unit193: so, we just need to make it so that only registered usernames can write in here?
06:35 AM XXCoder: cool. think need to go +r for now? for say a week or so
06:35 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +o by ChanServ
06:35 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +q by jepler
06:36 AM miss0r2: so, that will do it? :D
06:36 AM jthornton: thanks jepler
06:36 AM * miss0r2 crosses his fingers
06:36 AM XXCoder: miss0r2: apparently bots is from hacked IoT aka IoS devices
06:36 AM miss0r2: hehe apple to the rescue
06:37 AM Unit193: XXCoder: Very likely*
06:37 AM jepler changed topic of #linuxcnc to: LinuxCNC is a linux-based open-source CNC control. | Latest release: 2.7.14 | http://www.linuxcnc.org | Unregistered users temporarily banned from speaking
06:37 AM pjm: it might be worth inviting that freenode Sigyn bot as well
06:38 AM XXCoder: gonna love IoS devices
06:38 AM XXCoder: interney of shit
06:38 AM pjm: as per <jesseg> comment a few hours back
06:39 AM miss0r2: I have no idea what that bot does
06:39 AM jepler: https://github.com/freenode/Sigyn
06:39 AM miss0r2: But as long as we don't have sir spamalot comming in here all the time, its fine with me
06:44 AM jepler: I wonder when I should remove the ban on unregistered users. maybe give it 24h.
06:44 AM XXCoder: I'd say a week
06:44 AM XXCoder: bots started becoming a problem last week
06:45 AM XXCoder: reprap went +r then
06:45 AM XXCoder: still big issue now
06:48 AM jepler: thanks for that info, I've been living in a hole
06:49 AM XXCoder: no problem
06:49 AM miss0r2: I guess just limiting the allowed people in here to registered users would make it all stop.
06:49 AM XXCoder: sadly problem seem to be getting bigger
06:49 AM XXCoder: it used to be just some channels
06:50 AM XXCoder: miss0r2: probem is +r or unregistered silence is kinda negative growth for channels
06:50 AM XXCoder: short term is fine though
06:51 AM jepler: yeah I chose to "quiet" unregistered users instead, which means they can still read the channel. It might or might not be the right compromise
06:51 AM jepler: fwiw it's clear we need some more people with channel privileges, I don't think anybody on this list is a usual participant in #linuxcnc
06:53 AM jepler: .. but I don't really directly know many people here these days. I do know andypugh, CaptHindsight, djdelorie, hazzy-m, jthornton, mozmck, pcw_mesa rene-dev_, skunkworks, and possibly others I missed in that list. If you, or someone you want to vouch for, wants permissions with chanserv when issues like this arise, let me know.
06:53 AM jepler: kimk
06:54 AM sealive: why im band here
06:54 AM sealive: ichguckslive
06:55 AM miss0r2: jepler: I guess both XXCoder, me, fragalot & gregcnc are candidates, in my opinion.
06:55 AM miss0r2: They seem like reasonable people :]
06:55 AM sealive: oh i see lots of spot
06:55 AM miss0r2: Me, in partifular :P
06:55 AM XXCoder: I gonna count myself out, sure can be op but nagh
06:56 AM sealive: I gonna count myself out 2
06:56 AM XXCoder: im op of one channel but then that ones very slow channel lol
06:56 AM miss0r2: XXCoder: Wouldn't it be nice to have someone around to handle the occasional troll, when no other op is around?
06:56 AM sealive: it woudt
06:57 AM sealive: but 24/7 is hard to cope
06:57 AM miss0r2: Honnestly, I'm not even sure we needs more ops.. I think this scenario has happened maybe once or twice for me in the past 4 years in here
06:57 AM sealive: never seen this
06:57 AM sealive: why isent freenode taking care
06:58 AM sealive: it is always the same words
06:58 AM XXCoder: problem is that words must be said before they know
06:58 AM XXCoder: if it is indeed infected IoT devices, then there is no pattern to internet addresses and so on
06:59 AM miss0r2: ban IoT devices alltogether? :D That would cause riots in the streets!
07:00 AM XXCoder: is there a way to know its from IoS even?
07:00 AM XXCoder: freecad sadly so far theres no ops
07:00 AM XXCoder: in least the unit guy is there so has automated kicks
07:00 AM miss0r2: Hmm.. I wonder if theres only a few IRC clients for it?
07:02 AM XXCoder: dunno not into internet of shit devices
07:02 AM jepler: miss0r2: thanks for the suggestions (and the offer to do yourself), but I feel like I should get a recommendation from someone I know. No slight is intended, I just don't want to make a mistake handing out privileges lightly.
07:03 AM sealive: jepler, what on msg Voice
07:04 AM sealive: woudt be a nonregister
07:05 AM sealive: !seen cradek
07:05 AM miss0r2: jepler: no problem. But as I said, I'm not even sure more ops are needed in here. But on the other hand, I can't see that it would hurt.
07:06 AM sealive: im to old to get one
07:07 AM jepler: sealive: Unregistered users temporarily banned from speaking due to spam
07:07 AM sealive: i see
07:07 AM sealive: ichguckslive cand connect
07:07 AM XXCoder: can connect
07:07 AM XXCoder: just cant speak
07:07 AM sealive: or that way
07:08 AM sealive: cand sent to chennal
07:08 AM jepler: sealive: this page describes how to register https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
07:08 AM sealive: i know
07:08 AM jepler: "If a channel is set to mode +r, you won't be able to join it unless you are registered and identified to NickServ. If you try to join, you might be forwarded to a different channel. If a channel is set to quiet unregistered users (mode +q $~a), you won't be able to speak while on that channel unless you are registered and identified. Both of these modes are used by some channels to reduce channel
07:08 AM jepler: harassment and abuse."
07:08 AM sealive: but i keep ichguckslive unrigisters
07:09 AM XXCoder: gonna sleep laters
07:09 AM XXCoder: dont let bugbots bite
07:09 AM jepler: This ban will remain in effect for at least a week and may be longer if the spam continues. You should consider registering your nick.
07:10 AM veek: heh
07:10 AM jepler: afk
07:10 AM sealive: veek, we got spamed on 5mi clocking
07:11 AM sealive: jepler, what is this msg voce mode
07:11 AM sealive: coudent this help around
07:11 AM sealive: just type "/msg .voice
07:13 AM miss0r2: bah! Theres a tookpath segment I can't remove in mastercam. Goddamn solids!
07:14 AM sealive: miss0r2, i got a full fixure hit this morning on new estlcam install and stop on 0,0,0
07:15 AM sealive: hi DarthGandalf13
07:16 AM miss0r2: sealive: Sounds horrible ...
07:16 AM sealive: for the bit ofcause
07:16 AM sealive: dident see the g0 line
07:17 AM miss0r2: ahh
07:17 AM miss0r2: I have a hole that has one shape from one side and another from the other side of the workpeice. At the moment mastercam insists on doing the one hole type all the way through the workpeice, basically ruining it
07:18 AM sealive: sometines a cam has its own mind
07:19 AM sealive: im off
07:19 AM miss0r2: yeah. I wish i was an expert on this mastercam, i'm sure theres a way of solving it
07:19 AM miss0r2: Have a good one
07:28 AM miss0r2: I just took the chicken route out. Finishing the toolpath with a bigger endmill, that will not fit in the first hole to begin with :D
07:31 AM jthornton: hazzy-dev: do you get email when I push to 7i96?
07:45 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:37 AM mozmck: mozmck
08:43 AM JT-Shop: test
08:44 AM JT-Shop: I wonder why this hexchat doesn't auto log me in?
08:49 AM mozmck: JT-Shop: I use and like Pidgin for IRC
08:51 AM JT-Shop: I have that on this pc
08:51 AM robotustra: morning
09:21 AM Tecan: added thermistor to hotglue gun http://www.netpipe.ca/zen/albums/Electronics/1600x1400-IMG_3806.JPG
10:17 AM hazzy-dev: Wolf_: My motor came!
10:17 AM hazzy-dev: it is very nice!
10:26 AM roycroft: death valley set the record for the hottest month ever recorded in the us in july, with an average temperature of 42.3 degrees
10:27 AM roycroft: that falls just short of the hottest month ever recorded in the world, which is held by dehloron, iran at 42.5 degrees
10:28 AM roycroft: the previous record in the us was 41.9 degrees, also set at death valley in july of 2017
10:28 AM roycroft: i guess i should not complain when it hits 40 degrees here and there
10:28 AM roycroft: i guess i should also not move to death valley
10:28 AM roycroft: or iran
10:31 AM MrHindsight: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/01/magazine/climate-change-losing-earth.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
10:31 AM roycroft: i'm not going to waste one of my for monthly articles from the nyt on that
10:31 AM roycroft: although it may be an interesting story
10:31 AM roycroft: it's only the 1st of the month :)
10:32 AM MrHindsight: clear your cookies after reading
10:32 AM roycroft: that would be cheating
10:33 AM roycroft: also it would require work on my part :)
10:33 AM MrHindsight: I don't make the rules
10:33 AM hazzy-dev: roycroft: I have been in death valley when it was 111F at midnight, I thought it would be a reasonable temp at that hour, NOPE!
10:33 AM roycroft: i never suggested that you do
10:33 AM roycroft: even as dry as it is, that's still fripping hot
10:34 AM hazzy-dev: it is like an oven, and kinda surreal
10:35 AM hazzy-dev: if the sun was up it would have been ok, but at midnight it is not supposed to be that hot, lol
10:35 AM roycroft: i've never been there, and am not particularly interested in visiting
10:35 AM roycroft: perhaps in january
10:37 AM skunkworks: hello
10:38 AM skunkworks: ah - I was not registered. wondered why I couldn't talk...
10:38 AM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180801_102023.jpg
10:39 AM MrHindsight: skunkworks: how is it working for you?
10:39 AM hazzy-dev: skunkworks: Sweet!
10:40 AM hazzy-dev: I did not you you got some too
10:40 AM hazzy-dev: know*
10:40 AM roycroft: i just got a nice deal on some toe clamps off ebay
10:40 AM roycroft: those should help with the long parts i need to make
10:40 AM hazzy-dev: skunkworks: Mine are mostly assembled, I am just missing the header between the hi and low voltage boards
10:41 AM roycroft: i also found an arbor for my face mill that will allow me to use it on the cnc bridgeport at the maker space
10:41 AM roycroft: and, eventually, with tts on my own machine
10:42 AM skunkworks: I have not powered it up yet.
10:43 AM hazzy-dev: skunkworks: The filter caps look shorter than mine ...
10:44 AM hazzy-dev: did you get the kits or source the parts your self?
10:46 AM skunkworks: from andy
10:54 AM hazzy-lab: skunkworks: My caps are much taller ...
10:54 AM hazzy-lab: https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/hOqeyFzKNCRepCZLVRytQtth
11:00 AM skunkworks: sure - these are 400v vs 450 probably
11:01 AM skunkworks: initally I have a bldc spindle I want to run with it.
11:01 AM skunkworks: then a acroloc cnc that needs some tlc
11:04 AM hazzy-lab: I just got a 3Ph motor that is designed to replace DC motors, full torque from 2-60Hz and full power from 60-120Hz, I hope to drive it with the STMBL and use it for a spindle motor ...
11:04 AM hazzy-lab: don't know if that makes sense yet though
11:13 AM TurBoss: hazzy-lab: that stmb is DIY?
11:13 AM TurBoss: from batchpcb?
11:13 AM hazzy-lab: TurBoss: yes
11:14 AM TurBoss: *OSHpark
11:14 AM hazzy-lab: https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl
11:14 AM TurBoss: wowowowow
11:14 AM hazzy-lab: andy got the boards made
11:14 AM hazzy-lab: and made up some kits will all the needed parts
11:15 AM hazzy-lab: makes it easy :)
11:15 AM TurBoss: ahhh
11:26 AM skunkworks: but the iram modules are not being made anymore. so - they are redesigning it
11:32 AM sealive: hi
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11:36 AM sealive: theree comes the op
11:36 AM sealive: as most ow sleep in us
11:36 AM sealive: seb_kuzminsky, we got smamed the whole day
11:37 AM sealive: seb_kuzminsky, see logs
11:37 AM sealive: there is one
11:38 AM sealive: from columbia
11:40 AM seb_kuzminsky: sealive: jepler fixed it by silencing unregistered users, hopefully only temporarily
11:40 AM sealive: i hope so 2 ichguckslive
11:43 AM sealive: seb_kuzminsky, isent it better to get the chanel set to require "/msg .Voce
11:43 AM sealive: seb_kuzminsky, or is this not a save as the bot gets it
11:43 AM sealive: seb_kuzminsky, i see lots of channels this ways
11:44 AM sealive: seb_kuzminsky, as Topic info CAN Not write simply "/msg .Voice
11:53 AM roycroft: those bots infested efnet a few weeks ago
11:53 AM jesseg: hey guys where do you usually get bearings from when you rebuild your mill head, etc? Not spindle bearings, but all the others
11:53 AM roycroft: they're gone from there now
11:53 AM roycroft: they will be gone from here before long
12:02 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: ebay NOS bearings :D
12:06 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, LOL thats a great idea!
12:06 PM djdelorie: not sure this helps, but last time I got motorcycle bearings, I got name brand from mscdirect
12:09 PM jesseg: djdelorie, I'll try them! Actually, my mill's manufacturer (atrumpparts.com) lists all the bearings except the one 30010ZZ which seems to be an angular contact dual row ball bearing
12:09 PM jesseg: I mean 3010ZZ
12:10 PM jesseg: which seems rather hard to get
12:14 PM jesseg: hmm is SFK ok brand
12:14 PM jesseg: ?
12:14 PM hazzy-lab: yes, very good brand
12:16 PM jesseg: so I guess if the size I want is available from SKF for $8 delivered I better get it
12:17 PM jthornton: hazzy-lab: do you get an email when I commit?
12:18 PM jthornton: or push rather
12:18 PM hazzy-lab: jthornton: No, I have not got any, but I think i should since I am watching the repo ...
12:18 PM hazzy-lab: hmm
12:21 PM gregcnc: common name brand bearings one Ebay are often counterfeit
12:21 PM gregcnc: I ran into this last year
12:22 PM gregcnc: 3010 is an od size it seems did you find a source?
12:24 PM jesseg: gregcnc, I have not found a source for 3010, except alibaba (LOL) lists them but I have to buy like 50, and http://www.cksbearing.com lists them but I have to buy 10 pcs...
12:24 PM gregcnc: when teh OEm doesn't list them it's a bad sign
12:24 PM jesseg: LOL yes.
12:25 PM jesseg: I may want to just see if I can lathe out the parts to take a more standard size of bearing there..
12:25 PM gregcnc: unlikely
12:26 PM jesseg: so what do I do then, drive it till it vomits ball dust out then buy a new head? :D
12:27 PM jesseg: I can just wear ear protection and keep using it LOL
12:27 PM jesseg: but I'd rather have good bearings in there if I can.
12:29 PM jesseg: welcome back greg!
12:29 PM gregcnc: if they are good clean and regrease
12:29 PM gregcnc: if oiled just keep looking and hope you find one before you need one
12:30 PM jesseg: well my head is making a bloody lot of noise. I took it apart and it seems pretty much every bearing rumbles when even turned by hand.
12:31 PM jesseg: but yeah I could replace all but that one, then do it if/when I find it.. but it's enough work to get it all apart it would make me very pleased to put all new bearings before putting it together LOL
12:32 PM gregcnc: hmm do you know for sure its a ball bearing?
12:32 PM jesseg: that's rumbling?
12:32 PM gregcnc: 3010
12:33 PM jesseg: oh, well, the exploded parts diagram from the manufacturer calls it a ball bearing.
12:33 PM jesseg: and googling indicates its a 80x50x23 mm dual row angular contact ball bearing
12:34 PM gregcnc: right. some bearings using that number are rollers
12:34 PM gregcnc: but have a prefix NN
12:35 PM jesseg: oh I see, roller vs ball. Well it's item 48 on page 47 (12-5) in the parts diagram: https://www.atrump.com/images/tech_support/05%20Manual%20download/mill/K2V%20Operating%20Manual.pdf
12:35 PM Chloe is now known as Guest22097
12:36 PM jesseg: and it looks like it's the only bearing that supports that particular rotating part.. so I suspect it probably would be a dual row ball rather than a roller
12:37 PM jesseg: I haven't actually extracted it from its particular sub assembly yet so I don't know for sure.
12:38 PM jesseg: but it does specifically say "ball bearing"
12:39 PM gregcnc: I think you're right
12:41 PM gregcnc: hmm you can get 63010 in that size but it's single row.
12:45 PM jesseg: hmm, I suspect double row is vital if it's the only bearing on that piece
12:45 PM jesseg: so what would you do? Try to turn out the part to take a more common double row, put in a single row, or buy a new head? :D
12:46 PM gregcnc: I think you'll find there is no room for a standard size, which is why they chose the goofy size
12:46 PM jesseg: you're almost certainly correct.
12:47 PM jesseg: However, the machine was made over 20 years ago so it is possible that bearing was more available then and that's just what they grabbed.
12:47 PM jesseg: But you're almost certainly correct :P
12:47 PM sync: I would probably just take it apart
12:47 PM sync: and see what is actually in there
12:47 PM gregcnc: I suppose, I'd contact atrump to see if they can tell you
12:47 PM gregcnc: or that
12:48 PM jesseg: sync, yeah I'm headed that way, just haven't completed total dis-assembly yet
12:48 PM sync: because I would not expect a doublerow at that position
12:50 PM sync: and 3010 bearings are for has, they are just expensive
12:51 PM jesseg: sync, really? please explain! I don't see a second bearing, and I think double row would be needed if it was the only bearing
12:54 PM jthornton: all right lunch minute is over back to work on something
12:54 PM sync: there is a second bearing when I understand the drawing correclt
12:54 PM sync: y
12:54 PM sync: 134
12:54 PM sync: or 43
12:54 PM jesseg: hahahaha gregcnc you are an angel. I called Atrump. They said "Oh that's a misprint. 6010ZZ is the correct part.
12:54 PM sync: o0
12:54 PM jesseg: which they stalk.
12:54 PM jesseg: stock :P
12:54 PM gregcnc: pffft
12:54 PM Wolf_: jesseg: that part # 45 has 2 bearings I think
12:55 PM gregcnc: i seem to remember something about contacting the oem ???
12:55 PM Wolf_: ones in the top plate
12:55 PM jesseg: Wolf_, ohhhhhh OK that could be.
12:55 PM gregcnc: lol
12:55 PM gregcnc: well that's easy then
12:55 PM jesseg: thanks guys, really appreciate it!
12:55 PM Wolf_: its almost the same design as the Jet 840 I have
12:55 PM sync: it has to have two
12:56 PM sync: if it is really a 3010 then it is a strange design
12:56 PM Wolf_: its just that the top bearing is on the prior page
12:56 PM sync: yeah
12:56 PM sync: as I said
12:56 PM jesseg: I'm impressed though. Waited on hold for like 60 seconds, then talked to a guy who immediately knew the answer. That's above average with customer service I'd say.
12:56 PM sync: https://medias.schaeffler.com/medias/de!hp.ec.br.pr/NN30..-TVP-SP*NN3010-D-TVP-SP-XL?clrsb=1&lang=en
12:56 PM gregcnc: I'd guess they get the call often
12:57 PM Wolf_: now to reg the other nick I use so I dont have to run up stairs to the other computer lol
01:00 PM jesseg: Now I have to decide whether I pay dollars and get them from ebay or a few hundred and get them from manufacturer.
01:00 PM jesseg: Probably go through manufacturer, they probably provide goodish bearings
01:01 PM jesseg: they charge like $50-$60 for the bigger bearings, $10 for the smaller back gear bearings
01:01 PM Wolf_: check ebay for NOS first
01:02 PM sync: I don't think they will supply good bearings
01:02 PM jesseg: yeah I did - actually a couple of them I found some SKF for $10-$20 range
01:02 PM jesseg: but some of them were only Chinese cheapo bearings brand new for a few dollars each
01:02 PM jesseg: which could work I suppose
01:02 PM gregcnc: buy from a certified dealer for the brands you want
01:02 PM jesseg: but probably not as quiet or long life
01:02 PM sync: up there it doesn't really matter tho
01:03 PM Wolf_: ^ put the $$$$ bearings where they actually matter
01:03 PM jesseg: but I'm just a hobby user anyway so it's not like it's running 8 hours a day
01:03 PM jesseg: Wolf_, is that just in the spindle?
01:03 PM Wolf_: pretty much
01:04 PM Wolf_: if you can find china priced NOS then get them but the drive system is not as critical
01:04 PM jesseg: my quil turns easily, I cannot feel any slop, and it's pretty quiet, but it doesn't spin totally free - it almost seems like the bearings are preloaded a little.
01:04 PM gregcnc: if china priced NOS they will be china bearings
01:04 PM djdelorie: IIRC I got SKF for the motorcycle, but my life depends on them ;-)
01:04 PM jesseg: Wolf_, but would you suggest staying away from new china no-name bearings in the head?
01:05 PM gregcnc: http://www.skf.com/us/our-company/organization/skf-care/business-care/anti-counterfeiting/index.html
01:05 PM gregcnc: the question is for a few $$ do you want to tear the head apart to replace them if they suck?
01:05 PM Wolf_: need some THK bearings https://i.imgur.com/VLg6PhL.jpg
01:06 PM gregcnc: I bought "SKF" off ebay last year. had doubts when they arrived. Sent photos to SKF and they told me they were counterfeit.
01:06 PM Wolf_: NOS isnt bad if you check the source out first
01:06 PM djdelorie: yeah, hence buying them from mscdirect and not ebay :-)
01:06 PM gregcnc: questioned the seller, ahe called personally and got nervous when i told him I contacted SKF
01:06 PM gregcnc: within days his ebay store was gone
01:07 PM Wolf_: was it all only bearings in this ebay store? lol
01:07 PM gregcnc: yes
01:07 PM Wolf_: good red flag lol
01:08 PM gregcnc: sure, it took a chance
01:08 PM gregcnc: he refunded no questions, then buh-bye
01:08 PM Wolf_: I guy I get stuff from local has a bunch of NOS bearings, I dont think he has them listed, like the THK in the photo
01:08 PM gregcnc: bought locally NTN US made for just a couple $$ more
01:09 PM jesseg: hrm, VC bearings (on mscdirect) around $44, SKF are around $82
01:09 PM Wolf_: which he has a stack of 5-6 of those lol
01:09 PM gregcnc: I normally use a local bearing house for all bearings
01:10 PM jesseg: I have to drive 2 hours to get to a local bearing house, unfortunately
01:10 PM Wolf_: few bucks more is worth the piece of mind
01:10 PM gregcnc: surely they ship?
01:11 PM jesseg: oh yeah I'm sure
01:11 PM gregcnc: I did buy an NOS Timken quad P4 spindle set off ebay. as far as I know they aren't faking precision bearings yet
01:13 PM Wolf_: also could check the sellers other items, if they are selling what looks like the contents of a factory parts locker, good bet that its really NOS stuff
01:16 PM jesseg: hrm.. Should I sign up to mscdirect as a business or an individual? which will give me better deals?
01:17 PM gregcnc: with business they will ask for a tax number
01:17 PM jesseg: actually years and years ago I purchased from enco, is this enco?
01:17 PM gregcnc: yes they bought them
01:17 PM jesseg: yeah I have a tax ID number
01:18 PM Wolf_: yeah, MSC ate enco, so its now enco w/out good prices
01:18 PM jesseg: are there any perks to signing up as a business? if no perks and individual is simpler then I'll just do that
01:19 PM gregcnc: they might give you credit
01:19 PM jesseg: but if there are perks for business mode then I'm a sole proprietor with a washington state business license and a tax id number
01:19 PM jesseg: oh, I don't buy things I can't pay for until I can pay for them
01:20 PM jesseg: at least if I have any choice in the matter :P
01:23 PM Wolf_: hazzy-dev: got my motors =)
01:24 PM hazzy-lab: they are nice, right?
01:24 PM hazzy-lab: been playing with mine
01:24 PM Wolf_: very nice looking
01:24 PM hazzy-lab: it came early
01:24 PM Wolf_: too bad my one VFD wont be here till Friday
01:24 PM hazzy-lab: :(
01:25 PM Wolf_: and its only a 2hp one
01:25 PM hazzy-lab: I am tempted to take the VFD off the BP mill so I can try it out :)
01:25 PM Wolf_: I ordered a cheap one (probably HY clone) for the surface grinder
01:26 PM hazzy-lab: Those motors should be able to go to 5000rpm easy, hehe
01:26 PM hazzy-lab: Nice!
01:26 PM gregcnc: what are you making?
01:27 PM hazzy-lab: old mills new :)
01:27 PM jesseg: So what do you think of msc direct's VC bearing line? or should I just go with SKF?
01:28 PM JT-Shop: what motor did you get hazzy-lab?
01:28 PM `Wolf: reposer my lathe and then mill at some point
01:28 PM `Wolf: reposer/repower*
01:29 PM hazzy-lab: JT-Shop: http://dealerselectric.com/Y522.asp
01:29 PM `Wolf: ^ same motor he linked
01:29 PM `Wolf: x2
01:30 PM hazzy-lab: it is designed to replace DC motors, so has constant torque from 2-60Hz and constant power from 60-120Hz
01:30 PM JT-Shop: nice I like marathon motors
01:30 PM hazzy-lab: perfect for spindle motor
01:30 PM `Wolf: footless mounting if perfect for my mill
01:30 PM `Wolf: s/if/is
01:31 PM hazzy-lab: yep! it looks like it will be easy to take to foot off
01:31 PM `Wolf: I have a fun idea to use the front mount holes for a brake mount for my lathe
01:31 PM hazzy-lab: I'll have to turn the box around
01:32 PM `Wolf: thinking about mounting a motor bike rotor and rear caliper to the pulley on the lathe
01:32 PM hazzy-lab: that would be very nice
01:32 PM hazzy-lab: but you can also use braking with the VFD ...
01:32 PM `Wolf: my past hangup was how the hell to mount the thing
01:33 PM `Wolf: yeah, but then I need to get a non clone VFD with braking and it will still be slow to stop vs a real brake
01:33 PM JT-Shop: I'm surprised that automation direct doesn't have the Y522
01:34 PM `Wolf: I dont think thats the real part number
01:34 PM `Wolf: I searched the one off the sticker and found that motor all over the place
01:35 PM `Wolf: 145thtr5328
01:36 PM jesseg: HAHAHA... why don't I just get rid of all the complexity of my JHead and put this on direct drive: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-rotomax-100cc-size-brushless-outrunner-motor.html
01:36 PM JT-Shop: wow that motor is on sale at marathon motors for 1/2 price $408
01:36 PM * JT-Shop gets back to work
01:36 PM jesseg: it's made for swinging a 27" prop so I think it could swing a 4 inch fly cutter
01:37 PM `Wolf: fun part is the 200A psi
01:37 PM `Wolf: PSU
01:37 PM `Wolf: damn auto correct
01:37 PM jesseg: yeah they sell those too. Or I make one. either way. <-- EE
01:37 PM `Wolf: < not EE, I’m maker of smoke
01:38 PM jesseg: well I'm a maker of smoke too :P
01:38 PM gregcnc: you put it in, wollf lets it out
01:38 PM `Wolf: I’m good at turning mosfets in to smoke
01:39 PM `Wolf: I need a local EE friend, then I could hand over my dead tig and say here fix this
01:40 PM jesseg: is it a solid state or old arc gap type?
01:40 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/CzYKJ9w.jpg
01:40 PM jesseg: solid state :P
01:40 PM jesseg: did the smoke come out of one of the fets?
01:41 PM `Wolf: I almost got all the pre-powerup testing done
01:41 PM jesseg: oh a miller none the less
01:41 PM `Wolf: no idea what the hell is wrong with it, output is low, like 8A max
01:41 PM `Wolf: at least in tig
01:42 PM `Wolf: doesn’t want to lift start either
01:43 PM `Wolf: 200DX, was top of the line at one point…
01:50 PM jesseg: are NSK bearings OK? mill manufacturer says some of their bearings are Extron brand, but picture shows an NSK box
01:56 PM hazzy-lab: jesseg: yes, NSK and SKF are both very common and very good quality bearings
01:56 PM jesseg: ok good
01:58 PM * `Wolf flips through KBC flyer
01:59 PM jesseg: Hrm, mscdirect doesn't have a 6908ZZ
01:59 PM `Wolf: I feel really good about getting that lot of surface grinding wheels now, after seeing ad saying grinding wheels starting at $21/ea
02:00 PM jesseg: zoro has bearings too, but based on the price they are probably Chinese
02:01 PM `Wolf: dont forget mcmaster
02:01 PM `Wolf: but they are weird and dont list who makes the bearings they sell
02:01 PM jesseg: you gents will be pleased to know that my vactra and velocite or whatever oils showed up from mcmaste carr - a gallon of each :D
02:02 PM `Wolf: I think most of mcmaster bearings are SFK
02:02 PM `Wolf: SKF
02:03 PM jesseg: mcmaster carr doesn't match 6908ZZ either, or for that matter, any of the other ZZ part numbers my manual specifies so I'd have to go like matching dimensions and speeds and loading
02:03 PM `Wolf: true
02:03 PM jesseg: I'm sure they have them they just don't auto-cross for them in the search
02:04 PM JT-Shop: ZZ just means shields on both sides and RR is rubber seals IIRC
02:05 PM jesseg: oh gotcha
02:06 PM `Wolf: lol, so weird opening up a motor wire box and only seeing 3 wires in t
02:06 PM `Wolf: it
02:07 PM jesseg: yeah mcmaster-carr has them if I find by dimensions, cheaper than msc's SKF but more expensive then all other options
02:09 PM `Wolf: cheaper then MSC isn’t a surprise
02:09 PM jesseg: LOL...
02:09 PM hazzy-lab: I love McMaster, but I have had very poor luck with their bearings. I don't know who makes them but one batch I got would not be good enough for a wheelbarrow ...
02:10 PM `Wolf: you could just email them asking what the make is on the bearing you need (mcmaster)
02:10 PM jesseg: well I guess now that I know the atrump parts manual has misprints, I better pull all the bearings and measure them before ordering just to make sure I'm ordering the right sizes LOL.
02:10 PM `Wolf: lol
02:11 PM `Wolf: may be a good idea
02:11 PM `Wolf: I need to do the same to the head of my Jet 840
02:11 PM jesseg: is it getting pretty talkative?
02:12 PM `Wolf: only on low speed (2 speed drum switch on motor) it makes some odd noise and vibes
02:12 PM fragalot: miss0r2: BINKY
02:13 PM gregcnc: bearing nomenclature for shields/seals can vary
02:13 PM `Wolf: at least if its the motor I have the new one here to fix that =) lol
02:13 PM MrHindsight: I have a drum of spindle and a drum of way oil if anyone needs some
02:14 PM `Wolf: MrHindsight: you have any #3
02:14 PM MrHindsight: let me check the drums
02:14 PM `Wolf: =)
02:15 PM MrHindsight: #2
02:17 PM `Wolf: not surprised, everyone keeps telling me to just use #2 when the surface grinder is calling for Vactra extra heavy weight (#3 equiv)
02:17 PM MrHindsight: Vactra #2 ISO Grade 68.
02:17 PM MrHindsight: lets ee what #3 is
02:17 PM gregcnc: maybe be why it has so much wear
02:17 PM gregcnc: 100
02:17 PM `Wolf: yup #3 is 130
02:18 PM fragalot: Wolf_: just throw in some corn starch to stiffen it up
02:18 PM MrHindsight: corn starch? I thought it was flour
02:18 PM gregcnc: crisco
02:18 PM `Wolf: I have a gallon of iso 100 with #3EP added
02:18 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: depends on the recipe :P
02:19 PM gregcnc: vactra 3 is 150
02:20 PM gregcnc: https://www.mobil.com/English-CN/Industrial/pds/GLXXMobil-Vactra-Oil-Numbered-Series
02:20 PM `Wolf: I might be game for a gallon of #2 and a quart of spindle oil from you MrHindsight tho
02:20 PM gregcnc: so a big difference
02:20 PM `Wolf: yeah, I was off a few, I looked it up last wee
02:20 PM `Wolf: k
02:20 PM gregcnc: sindle comes in an even wider range
02:21 PM `Wolf: Vactra #3 only comes in 5gal where I have found it
02:21 PM `Wolf: so I might just need to find a cross over to something else
02:21 PM MrHindsight: `Wolf: 1 gal fit's into a flat rate USPS box
02:21 PM MrHindsight: fits even
02:21 PM `Wolf: nice
02:21 PM gregcnc: have you found a local lube supply?
02:22 PM `Wolf: haven’t looked yet
02:22 PM Tecan: is there a trick to making a shaft a little bigger ?
02:22 PM `Wolf: viagra
02:22 PM Tecan: i have a 3mm dremmel attachment for a small motor
02:23 PM Tecan: im not sure etape would do it
02:23 PM MrHindsight: Tecan: antilathing
02:23 PM MrHindsight: weld and grind
02:24 PM jesseg: Tecan, a few tricks.. none of them great.. but soldering, electroplating, welding, or compressing endwise to swell the diameter..
02:24 PM MrHindsight: rain here now
02:24 PM `Wolf: collet bushings depending on application
02:24 PM jesseg: yeah or press on sleeves
02:25 PM MrHindsight: how much bigger?
02:25 PM `Wolf: diy shrink fit
02:25 PM MrHindsight: from what OD to what OD?
02:26 PM jesseg: Tecan, brazing and grinding/turning on a lathe
02:26 PM `Wolf: I think we overloaded him
02:26 PM jesseg: maybe that sufficiently swelled the shaft
02:26 PM andypugh: miss0r2: i made part of a gun. Lasertag weapon, but I made a copy of the Lee Enfield bolt and trigger.
02:27 PM MrHindsight: anyone try to buy a can opener lately that doesn't use a plastic bushing for the finger crank?
02:28 PM Tecan: i only need a mm probably, maybe there is a dip for that
02:28 PM MrHindsight: JB weld
02:28 PM XXCoder: dog ears for washing machine finally arrive!
02:28 PM Tecan: i wonder howlong electroplating would take
02:28 PM XXCoder: awesome
02:28 PM Tecan: jbweld it is
02:28 PM andypugh: https://goo.gl/photos/P6VU4VeEvvNK2aV47 Felt quite naughty in the UK. :-)
02:28 PM jesseg: Tecan, I'd go with a sleeve, or like MrHindsight says JB weld and lathe it down
02:29 PM jesseg: Tecan, electroplating would be very difficult because electroplating tends to make a very rough surface when a hobbiest tries to do it that thick.
02:29 PM `Wolf: MrHindsight: http://a.co/5w1X7Ni I gave up on the crank type
02:29 PM andypugh: Tecan: Knurling can work.
02:30 PM Tom_L: andypugh, you restoring it?
02:30 PM andypugh: Tom_L: I scratch-built it. (apart from the stock)
02:30 PM Tom_L: nice
02:30 PM `Wolf: andypugh: nice work
02:31 PM MrHindsight: `Wolf: you in the midwest?
02:31 PM Tom_L: can you use run from line if you haven't started running a program yet?
02:31 PM `Wolf: Maryland
02:31 PM Tom_L: roll down to the line and start there?
02:33 PM `Wolf: I never figured out how to do that, I usually ended up editing the nc file in txt edit
02:43 PM `Wolf: I wonder how bad this is https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-2KW-220V-VARIABLE-FREQUENCY-DRIVE-INVERTER-VFD-3HP-10A-HY02D223B-US-STOCK/282524936156
02:46 PM MrHindsight: HY is a good brand, but there are several knockoffs
02:46 PM MrHindsight: good/better
02:46 PM `Wolf: pretty bad when you can get knock off of china product…
02:46 PM MrHindsight: seller name: trustinchina
02:47 PM MrHindsight: you can trust me!
02:47 PM Deejay: we trust in beaver
02:47 PM `Wolf: well I figured the $89 ones are sure to be knockoff lol
02:47 PM MrHindsight: copies without all the features or components
02:48 PM MrHindsight: Deejay: I heard that was going to be printed on new money
02:49 PM `Wolf: well, at this price point I expect things to be missing, like provision for brake resistors and whatnot
02:51 PM jesseg: Wolf_, that looks identical to the one I got for my mill, which cost like $119 and was listed as HY 2.2KW 3HP Variable Frequency Drive Inverter 3 phase 10A 220V AVR Technique
02:52 PM jesseg: seems to work fine but I've never bothered to connect the brake resistor.
02:52 PM jesseg: but I think it's supposed to support it.
02:54 PM `Wolf: I watched this the other night https://youtu.be/Ibxn6xPRl3I is part of the reason I’m leaning towards manual braking on the mill/lathe vs using the VFD for it
02:55 PM `Wolf: plus I’m not doing CNC with them so manual braking isn’t a bad thing
02:58 PM gregcnc: what kind of machines? CNC needs more braking capacity due to speed/duty cycle
02:59 PM `Wolf: both are manual machines, 12x37 lathe and 30x9 mill
03:00 PM MrHindsight: anyone use light bulbs for braking resistors?
03:01 PM gregcnc: I use DC braking on both of mine
03:04 PM gregcnc: Haas uses cooktop elements
03:04 PM MrHindsight: low cost
03:05 PM gregcnc: they only get red hot when the drive fails
03:06 PM XXCoder: haas hah
03:06 PM XXCoder: not as bad as hurco
03:08 PM XXCoder: omg new bad obsession motorsport video
03:08 PM XXCoder: cant watch till later though bah
03:09 PM `Wolf: woot
03:18 PM * JT-Shop watches a male cardinal feeding a female with seeds from the feeder :)
03:18 PM JT-Shop: the squirrel cam can be fun to watch sometimes
03:19 PM gregcnc: I took my feeder down and put up a humming bird feeder
03:19 PM JT-Shop: squirrels?
03:19 PM gregcnc: will put it back up in the winter
03:19 PM JT-Shop: ah
03:20 PM gregcnc: sparrows make a huge mess empty in one day and 80% on the ground for the chipmunks
03:21 PM JT-Shop: I'm lucky I don't have that problem, all I have to deal with is squirrels, coons, possums, ground hogs, moles, timber rats, mice...
03:22 PM gregcnc: squirrels weren't very persistent
03:28 PM JT-Shop: hazzy-lab did you get an email from 7i96?
03:28 PM hazzy-lab: yes i did!
03:28 PM hazzy-lab: first time
03:29 PM hazzy-lab: did you change something?
03:29 PM JT-Shop: ok, great I got that set up right then
03:29 PM JT-Shop: just the readme
03:29 PM hazzy-lab: great!
03:50 PM Deejay: gn8
04:02 PM miss0r2: This new indexable facemill here is realy paying for itself at the moment. 2.5mm DOC 40mm stepover, running 2000 RPM with a feed of 700mm/min
04:03 PM miss0r2: Leaving close to mirror finish on this mild steel here
04:28 PM JT-Shop: nice
04:38 PM JT-Shop: which face mill is it?
04:50 PM hazzy-lab: LOL, somehow I got on an internal Tormach email list a while back, I thought it had been resolved but I just got an email asking about their inventorying system API
04:50 PM hazzy-lab: sounds like they are having trouble with it
04:50 PM `Wolf: lol
04:51 PM `Wolf: I really should be outside dumping end mills out of the cabinet but its not nice out
04:52 PM * hazzy-lab volunteers, on the condition he gets to keep any endmills removed from the cabinet
04:53 PM `Wolf: instead I’m sitting here staring at this X2 saddle trying to figure out how in the hell to route all the oil lines
04:57 PM `Wolf: 6 lines + feed…
05:00 PM `Wolf: not sure if this is a good idea anymore lol
05:04 PM miss0r2: jt-shop its an arno brand one.
05:07 PM `Wolf: also, should I put check valves (ball + spring) on each port so the oil won’t all leak down and out of the Y ways
05:31 PM MrHindsight is now known as CaptHindsight
08:24 PM hazzy-lab: more emails from Tormach xD
08:32 PM R2E4: evening morning afternoon
08:32 PM Tom_L: goodnight
08:33 PM flyback: BMCC
08:33 PM * flyback bites R2E4
08:33 PM R2E4: I am sharing home and neg limit, N/C switch when it is not made homing works. When I go to share the limit needs a not. When I not the input the home goes bizerk.
08:33 PM flyback: eh?-hole!
08:34 PM R2E4: wtf would you do that?
08:34 PM flyback: cause I hate canucks
08:34 PM flyback: they must pay for bare nakked ladies and other acts of terrorism
08:34 PM flyback: such as justin beiber
08:34 PM flyback: :P
08:34 PM R2E4: all of them? besides, I am an American
08:35 PM R2E4: Submarine veteran at that.
08:35 PM Tom_L: yeah settle down flapjack
08:35 PM `Wolf: you know what they say about submarine vets right?
08:36 PM R2E4: I've heard them all Wolf.
08:36 PM `Wolf: cool, share some. cause I haven’t hear any lol
08:36 PM R2E4: lol
08:37 PM flyback: but you are in canada
08:37 PM R2E4: ok, any ideas on shared home and limits?
08:37 PM flyback: you up_periscope_nuck
08:37 PM `Wolf: ugh, some of stuff in my auction score cabinet is all turning rusty
08:37 PM R2E4: Just because I reside in Canada doesnt mean I am a canadian
08:38 PM flyback: wolf moisture control
08:38 PM R2E4: I have a house in Canada and a Condo in Delrey beach Fl.
08:38 PM flyback: neat
08:38 PM `Wolf: yeah, its in a leaky box truck body, way humid
08:39 PM `Wolf: pulling all the cutters and stuff out right now
08:39 PM R2E4: Focus..... Shared limits......
08:39 PM `Wolf: hmm
08:40 PM `Wolf: so you have full loop of N/C limit/home right
08:42 PM `Wolf: I know that stuff is in the docs somewhere
08:43 PM R2E4: n/c limit/home sw
08:44 PM `Wolf: shared?
08:45 PM R2E4: yes, shared
08:45 PM R2E4: net y-home-sw hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-01-not
08:45 PM R2E4: net y-home-sw => joint.1.home-sw-in
08:45 PM R2E4: net y-home-sw => joint.1.neg-lim-sw-in
08:45 PM `Wolf: I set my machine up 3 yrs ago, and its not where I am
08:45 PM `Wolf: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-homing.html
08:46 PM `Wolf: I think you need home_is_shared flag in ini
08:46 PM hazzy-lab: R2E4: I share all homes and limits, let me check my config
08:46 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnEHMAhqUZM
08:49 PM R2E4: I have it
08:49 PM R2E4: I have home_is_shared
08:49 PM R2E4: in the ini
08:49 PM hazzy-lab: http://dpaste.com/0SASZRY
08:49 PM hazzy-lab: That is all I have
08:50 PM hazzy-lab: Ah, and is it not shared?
08:50 PM R2E4: You use N/O switches?
08:51 PM hazzy-lab: no, NC
08:51 PM R2E4: Your input is not notted.
08:51 PM hazzy-lab: good point, but it works, lol
08:51 PM hazzy-lab: hmm
08:53 PM R2E4: I get hit limit in home state 14..... Never seen that before
08:55 PM R2E4: also joint 1 limit switch, so it doesnt think it is shared.
08:56 PM R2E4: hazzy-lab: you running 2.9 pre?
08:56 PM R2E4: oops 2.8 pre
08:56 PM hazzy-lab: Yes, I am from the future
08:56 PM hazzy-lab: yes, running 2,8
08:58 PM R2E4: https://pastebin.com/wUiYDqRy
08:58 PM R2E4: https://pastebin.com/MH8LYgcg
08:58 PM R2E4: I dont get it....
08:59 PM R2E4: Just working on the Y axis, joint 1
09:03 PM hazzy-lab: that looks correct
09:04 PM hazzy-lab: All you have connected right now it:
09:04 PM hazzy-lab: net y-home-sw => joint.1.home-sw-in
09:04 PM hazzy-lab: net y-home-sw => joint.1.neg-lim-sw-in
09:04 PM hazzy-lab: right?
09:05 PM hazzy-lab: which is the same as what have have =
09:05 PM Tom_L: your issue is using a single switch with home and limit?
09:05 PM hazzy-lab: R2E4: only diff you you have noted the input
09:06 PM hazzy-lab: are you sure that is needed (seems like it would be, but I have NC switches too ...)
09:06 PM hazzy-lab: gtg
09:06 PM hazzy-lab: bbl
09:07 PM R2E4: I'll swap it but then it thinks the limit switch is tripped
09:08 PM R2E4: I get joint 1 on limit switch error
09:09 PM Tom_L: do you move off the limits after homing?
09:09 PM Tom_L: i share home/limit if you want to see my config: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL/
09:09 PM R2E4: Before homing it spits on limit if I dont not the input
09:10 PM R2E4: thanks, Ill look
09:10 PM Tom_L: never had an issue with em
09:14 PM R2E4: Tom_L: n/c input?
09:14 PM Tom_L: i'd have to check, i forget
09:14 PM R2E4: so the switch is closed when it is not i=on the limit switch?>
09:14 PM Tom_L: probably NC since if there was a break in the line somewhere it would fault
09:15 PM Tom_L: yes
09:16 PM robotustra: Tom_L, what UI for linuxcnc do you use?
09:16 PM Tom_L: then i think i back off .1" once they're homed
09:16 PM Tom_L: axis
09:16 PM robotustra: with mouse or touchscreen?
09:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
09:16 PM Tom_L: mouse
09:17 PM Tom_L: but i use my pendant alot
09:18 PM R2E4: As soon as I turn on the machine, it spits error if I dont have the input notted.
09:18 PM robotustra: so you actually do not use gui a lot&
09:18 PM robotustra: ?
09:19 PM Tom_L: i use the mdi quite a bit and manual control when setting the offsets
09:19 PM R2E4: I dont get it
09:20 PM Tom_L: what are the inputs going to?
09:20 PM Tom_L: the switches
09:21 PM Tom_L: i think i run mine straight to the fpga input
09:21 PM Tom_L: when i run them thru the 7i47 imput i think i needed to invert them
09:21 PM Tom_L: or vise versa
09:22 PM R2E4: 7i76 input
09:23 PM Tom_L: i debounce mine too
09:24 PM R2E4: yeah I see that
09:24 PM Tom_L: i'm pretty sure i run those straight to the fpga inputs now
09:25 PM Tom_L: not thru the 7i47
09:25 PM R2E4: If I dont share them I can home no problem....
09:25 PM R2E4: yours is gpio
09:25 PM Tom_L: mine worked either way
09:25 PM Tom_L: they should be
09:27 PM Tom_itx: # net in-home-x debounce.0.0.in <= hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.7i84.0.0.input-00-not
09:27 PM Tom_itx: # net out-home-x debounce.0.0.out => axis.0.home-sw-in axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
09:27 PM Tom_L: that's what it looked like going thru a daughter card
09:32 PM Tom_L: they must be intercepting the bots now
09:34 PM robotustra: is it theoretically possible to move cnc in manual mode in 2 axis in sync?
09:35 PM Tom_L: if you fed both axis with the same pendant signal
09:35 PM Tom_L: not theoretical, it is possible
09:36 PM Tom_L: not very useful though
09:36 PM Tom_L: you could set up a switch on your pendant to enable it i suppose
09:37 PM `Wolf: if you mdi it you can i think
09:37 PM Tom_L: i've never had reason to so i've not tested it
09:37 PM R2E4: Tom_L: Can you check to see if your switches are N/C, cause I am baffled if they are.
09:37 PM Tom_L: in a bit
09:38 PM R2E4: thanks.
09:47 PM R2E4: ok I got it.....
09:47 PM R2E4: HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS
09:47 PM Tom_L: yeah
09:47 PM R2E4: I hate it when I overlook something so easy
09:48 PM R2E4: Thanks....
09:48 PM Tom_L: np
09:49 PM Tom_L: just be sure to back off the switch after homing
09:49 PM Tom_L: that's in my config too
09:49 PM Tom_L: the settings for that
09:50 PM Tom_L: HOME_SEARCH_VEL and HOME_LATCH_VEL
09:51 PM Tom_L: notice latch_vel is opposite search_vel
09:51 PM Tom_L: (negative)
09:51 PM Tom_L: so in effect it's using a soft limit
09:53 PM R2E4: yeah I have that....
09:53 PM R2E4: If my min limit is behind the limit switch which is shared for home, will it trip the limit?
09:54 PM Tom_L: probably
09:54 PM R2E4: yeah, I'll try and see what it does.
09:54 PM R2E4: OK thanks, nite all.