#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 22 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:04 AM `Wolf: when you say wire your steppers to, do you mean the supply for the stepper drivers ?
12:09 AM `Wolf: yeah, field power you need to feed >8v dc in to or non of the outputs on the I/O will do anything
12:10 AM Laminae: So, a jumper?
12:10 AM Laminae: I think this is where i'm getting confused
12:11 AM `Wolf: on your gecko “power +” and “power ground” connect to the PSU
12:11 AM Laminae: Cool, exactly what i needed to know
12:12 AM `Wolf: now for the mesa output, I think you need to do something to get it outputting 5v signals for step/dir
12:12 AM Laminae: Thought there might be some sort of fuse in the main board in the event the drivers tried to pull more than 3.5 amps it would pop, such as if the current limiting resistor shorted
12:13 AM Laminae: I found this: file:///C:/Users/Kenneth%20Fritz/Documents/Dev/cnc/7i76e%20connection%20diagram.pdf
12:13 AM `Wolf: no, the mesa isn’t handling power distribution
12:13 AM Laminae: Yeah, maybe 3d printers just have me fire paranoid
12:14 AM `Wolf: you should have the DC in to the geckos fused
12:15 AM `Wolf: and I can’t open that link, its local to your computer lol
12:15 AM Laminae: Just found this, much easier to read https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/cfe9d6201017d05f12435e674c0a5f46/large.png
12:16 AM Laminae: Lol, i copied the wrong window
12:16 AM `Wolf: The 7I76E provides five channels of step/dir interface with buffered 5V differential signal pairs. Each differential pair consists of two complementary 5V outputs. The differential signals allows reliable signal transmission in noisy environments and can directly interface with RS-422 line receivers. Step motor drives with single ended inputs connect to just one of the STEP and DIR signal outputs, that is either the STEP+/DIR+ or
12:16 AM `Wolf: STEP-/DIR- signals, with the unused signals left unconnected at the 7I76E. The input common signal on drives with single ended inputs connects to the 7I76Es GND or 5VP pins depending on the drive type.
12:17 AM `Wolf: ok step/dir outputs are 5v so thats fine
12:18 AM `Wolf: the Field PWR is for the Field i/O
12:18 AM Laminae: I'm not seeing anything about requiring 5v
12:18 AM Laminae: Might be missing it though
12:19 AM Laminae: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/3278/7i76_Anschluss.pdf
12:19 AM `Wolf: yeah, the gecko use 3.3 OR 5v logic signal, mesa Step/DIR pins output 5v
12:20 AM `Wolf: I’ve only read up on the analog servo systems so I’m RTFM for the 7i76e right now lol
12:20 AM Laminae: Yeah, i'm rather wishing i had opted for higher end geckos now actually
12:21 AM Laminae: There isn't any overvoltage protection in the 251 series
12:21 AM `Wolf: add fuses inline
12:21 AM Laminae: I think i will
12:22 AM Laminae: I put a whole lot of hardware into this upgrade too, might as well go all out
12:22 AM `Wolf: that link from lcnc forum is good to go, notice that all the stuff using 24v is limit switches and analog pots
12:23 AM Laminae: I cut those side panels and made the t slot bed *still need to install side brackets and added an additional c beam to z gantry
12:23 AM Laminae: https://imgur.com/a/XkGOJhk
12:23 AM Laminae: I'm really interested in adding a encoder
12:24 AM Laminae: That would be very nice
12:25 AM `Wolf: you can do that, I have no idea how tho lol
12:25 AM Laminae: Bah that a few weeks away
12:26 AM `Wolf: Im sure there is a write up or 5 on linuxcnc forum tho
12:26 AM Laminae: I'm also build a little pump system for a immersion bath that mounts to the t slot for cutting carbon so i will probably finish that first
12:26 AM `Wolf: yeah, carbon dust is bad
12:26 AM Laminae: Yeah, i found one for using the cheap chinese vfd modules and that made me think those aren't worth the headache
12:27 AM `Wolf: best if you can set it up to keep the CF submerged
12:28 AM Laminae: Yeah, i did some initial testing using acyrlic but (1/4) the vibration was starting to cause ctacks on the bolts, but i didn't have to slot then, was going straight to the spoiler board
12:29 AM Laminae: The majority of my cutting is wood and plastics anyway, the cf stuff is primarily for 3d printer mods and nerd copters
12:29 AM `Wolf: acrylic cracks easy
12:30 AM `Wolf: CF cracks when you crash your quad in to football goal posts at 40mph
12:31 AM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/hKcwXQp.jpg oops…
12:42 AM Laminae: You into fixed wing at all?
12:42 AM Wolf__: some, I havent flown in a while tho
12:42 AM Wolf__: have a bixler I was setting up for fpv
12:43 AM Laminae: God that awful laptop
12:43 AM Laminae: oooh, one sec
12:43 AM roycroft: i've had less than optimal experience machining acrylic lately
12:44 AM Wolf__: was setting it up with openLRSng and 2.4ghz vid
12:44 AM Laminae: I only do it on the laser, i had a awful time with the router
12:44 AM XXCoder: roycroft: melting and fusing?
12:44 AM roycroft: cracking
12:44 AM roycroft: post-machining
12:44 AM roycroft: sometimes days post-machining
12:45 AM Laminae: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLxQyGER2LE
12:45 AM Laminae: That was my first long range test of the 2.4
12:47 AM roycroft: http://www.roycroft.us/Cracked1.jpeg
12:47 AM roycroft: that's an example
12:47 AM roycroft: http://www.roycroft.us/Cracked2.jpeg
12:47 AM Laminae: Upcut?
12:48 AM roycroft: yes, i was using twist drill bits, reground for acrylic
12:48 AM roycroft: none of those cracks appeared right away
12:48 AM roycroft: and the bolts were not tightened much at all
12:48 AM Laminae: I never had good luck, but i did find that fast feeds crack and slow feeds melt
12:48 AM roycroft: it wasn't stress from the bolts
12:49 AM Laminae: Just vibration i'm assuming?
12:49 AM roycroft: i've made other parts with similar results
12:51 AM roycroft: i should try using an end mill
12:52 AM Wolf__: Laminae: mine is all old school junk, DTF-UHF tx/rx, 2.4ghz lawmate “500mw”
12:55 AM Laminae: I recently swapped to crossfire and immersion rc with a eagle eyes for video
12:58 AM Laminae: The new stuff doesn't work all that much better
12:59 AM Laminae: But the dtate logging and recovery is nice
12:59 AM Wolf__: yeah
01:00 AM Laminae: https://imgur.com/a/i0G9WqQ
01:01 AM Laminae: that's the new ground station
01:02 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:02 AM Laminae: Guten morgen
01:02 AM Wolf__: cool =)
01:04 AM Laminae: Something i hadn't tried but i susptect might help with acyrlic, little rubber grommets or washers on the bolts
01:05 AM Laminae: I'll print some next time i try cutting it
01:05 AM Laminae: Witht he experiment
01:06 AM IchGucksLive: on acrylic ultra sharp bits and oil is best
01:06 AM IchGucksLive: gives a nice shinie part
01:07 AM Laminae: I think his issue might be feeds, cracked on the bolts holding workpiece to spoiler board
01:07 AM hazzy-lab: Yes, sharp HSS tools work best on acrylic, but they dull fast, very fast :)
01:07 AM hazzy-lab: gn8
01:08 AM XXCoder: roycroft: wondering if annealing em would work
01:08 AM XXCoder: releases internal stresses
01:08 AM IchGucksLive: i will today finish a full auto touchoff mashine fro experimental SUB
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: based on #5410
01:09 AM Laminae: i think the challenge would be evenly heating and cooling
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: Acrylic is not acrylic
01:09 AM Laminae: Without warping
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: there is PMMA
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: PC
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: and factory related things
01:10 AM IchGucksLive: for drilling MACROLON is the best it will never crack
01:10 AM IchGucksLive: even on 2,4 mm wide 100mm long grids
01:10 AM XXCoder: Laminae: yeah. oven maybe?
01:10 AM IchGucksLive: and best is it is Temp stable on clue
01:11 AM IchGucksLive: Röem 501
01:11 AM Laminae: Clue?
01:11 AM XXCoder: hm roycroft wonder if wood expansion/strunkage would stress it out and break it
01:11 AM IchGucksLive: let me se if i got a image from younger times
01:13 AM roycroft: the holes were slightly oversize, xxcoder
01:13 AM XXCoder: ok
01:13 AM roycroft: acrylic expands and contracts too
01:15 AM roycroft: acrylic can get more brittle as it ages
01:15 AM roycroft: and this may have been pretty old stuff - i've been using offcuts that have been laying around for a while
01:19 AM IchGucksLive: no i dont got a image here
01:21 AM IchGucksLive: but our russion fans got it ;-)
01:21 AM IchGucksLive: the internet doesent forget anything
01:21 AM IchGucksLive: http://www.geocities.ws/magic33_de/tit.gif
01:21 AM IchGucksLive: its fully made of acrylic
01:22 AM XXCoder: tiny
01:22 AM IchGucksLive: the image or the ship
01:22 AM XXCoder: image
01:24 AM IchGucksLive: in this days early internet the size did matter
01:25 AM IchGucksLive: as modem did not load large images
01:25 AM IchGucksLive: its 35years in age
01:26 AM IchGucksLive: i did already mount the NAS here that represents my "Live"
01:26 AM XXCoder: well yeah been using internet since 1993
01:26 AM IchGucksLive: but there is nothing on it from Titan2
01:26 AM IchGucksLive: let me see if my grandchild got it in gis Room
01:27 AM IchGucksLive: 5min
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder, it is broken http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/titan2.jpg
01:34 AM XXCoder: and got flooded?
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: i dont think so
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: it has not seen water since 25 or more years
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: and dust all over
01:35 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
01:36 AM IchGucksLive: till later
02:10 AM Deejay: moin
02:38 AM TurBoss[m]: monin
02:54 AM XXCoder: yo
03:10 AM TurBoss[m]: hello XXCoder
03:11 AM XXCoder: whats up
03:11 AM TurBoss[m]: just received an email from a guy asking about the ship you extracted
03:11 AM TurBoss[m]: do you remember about the bin files?
03:11 AM TurBoss[m]: we used obj right?
03:11 AM XXCoder: oh yeah. yeah I let him know what program I used to do it
03:11 AM XXCoder: it was Dragon UnPACKer 5Dragon UnPACKer 5
03:11 AM XXCoder: double paste oops
03:11 AM TurBoss[m]: yes yes
03:11 AM TurBoss[m]: double yes :D
03:13 AM TurBoss[m]: we just renamed bin to obj or what?
03:13 AM TurBoss[m]: I can't remember
03:14 AM XXCoder: I extracted the obj (I think?) and you converted and fixed model
03:14 AM TurBoss[m]: I'll try
03:14 AM TurBoss[m]: to unpack
03:15 AM TurBoss[m]: ok!
03:40 AM gloops: lot there for £40 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/myford-ML7-lathe-parts/153103857456?
03:42 AM XXCoder: not sure if it includes rail and such heh
03:42 AM XXCoder: "what you see is what you get" I see the shop. ;)
03:43 AM gloops: well, everything there to build a mill column
03:44 AM gloops: or bed
06:03 AM jthornton: morning
06:22 AM phipli: morning jthornton
06:23 AM jthornton: morning, hows it going over on your side of the pond?
06:36 AM R2E4: Morning JT
06:37 AM R2E4: You have thc i stock? Both?
06:37 AM jthornton: which ones
08:27 AM Tecan-: yikes http://www.netpipe.ca/zen/albums/3D-Printing/3d-Prints/weirdprint.jpg printed that in abs with new cura.. has really strange spongy texture to it almost like rubber. found out i was printing with 2.85 instead of 1.75 mm filament setting
09:34 AM R2E4: Hi all,
09:35 AM R2E4: I am looking for ion the forums a drawing set someone drew up for 5i25 and 7i76. I cant seem to find it. Any ideas where I can get it?
09:51 AM Tom_L: R2E4, just ask the 'real' question you want answered
09:52 AM R2E4: I did, I am looking for that drawing that was posted.
09:52 AM Tom_L: can't help you
09:53 AM R2E4: I know its in Rod's thread but that is a big thread.
09:58 AM Tom_L: did you try asking him?
10:18 AM R2E4: no, I didnt.
10:20 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
10:22 AM IchGucksLive: i did a subroutine for autohoming
10:22 AM IchGucksLive: workproof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoE1Ink3VyI
10:22 AM IchGucksLive: simple g38.2 routine
10:24 AM IchGucksLive: off till llater
10:36 AM gloops: terrible weather
10:37 AM jdh: yez
10:39 AM robotustra: ich verstee nicht
10:40 AM jthornton: hazzy-dev, if you get a chance see if you can spot my mistake in this small example http://gnipsel.com/files/pyqt5/comboBox.zip
10:40 AM robotustra: guten abent alles
10:42 AM robotustra: hmm my german is auful
10:42 AM jthornton: good Abent everything
10:42 AM jthornton: I know nothing!
10:43 AM andypugh: Guten abend aus Stuttgart
10:44 AM andypugh: (Auf? bis? I struggle with German prepositions)
10:44 AM robotustra: guten abent from Montreal
10:46 AM robotustra: start working on x - carriage
11:19 AM hazzy-lab: jthornton: http://files.kcjengr.com/?dir=dev
11:20 AM Ralith is now known as Ralith_
11:20 AM hazzy-lab: You are still straggling with self :D
11:21 AM hazzy-lab: Everything that is part of the main window should go in the main window class (unless you need make a custom widget by subclassing it)
11:22 AM hazzy-lab: In a sec I will give you a working example using your setup.py approach, but it is much more complicated and not easy to maintain
11:24 AM IchGucksLive: guten abend
11:24 AM IchGucksLive: robotustra, ich bin in Zweibrücken
11:25 AM IchGucksLive: gloops did you see my auto touch probe subroutine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoE1Ink3VyI
11:26 AM hazzy-lab: IchGucksLive: Do you ming sharing your probing subroutine?
11:26 AM IchGucksLive: robotustra, german or english
11:26 AM hazzy-lab: mind*
11:26 AM IchGucksLive: no problem
11:26 AM IchGucksLive: the full auto
11:26 AM IchGucksLive: or only the Simple X Y Z
11:27 AM hazzy-lab: the full auto
11:27 AM IchGucksLive: like i do with pyvcp button
11:27 AM IchGucksLive: let me go downstairs i got the mashine now at the TV room
11:27 AM hazzy-lab: Thank you Ichs!
11:27 AM IchGucksLive: to impress the guests
11:27 AM hazzy-lab: We are working on a new probe screen: https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/TurboProbe
11:31 AM hazzy-lab: Some of the graphics for the buttons: https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/vXosUxuANAkcYmOeOBgbGCYk
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: i hate probe screen
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: students shoudt know what hapens
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: ans it is a simple sub
11:32 AM hazzy-lab: So do I
11:32 AM hazzy-lab: This new one just provides a nice way to call subs
11:33 AM hazzy-lab: with arguments
11:35 AM IchGucksLive: hazzy-lab, https://pastebin.com/EtzGZjcX
11:35 AM hazzy-lab: Thank you
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: hazzy-lab, as i cand load tools greater 6mm i fixed the parameter to 15mm
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: but you can also call o<autonullen> call [25]
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: hazzy-lab, it also only workes if a tool is loaded
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: on a TC it wont work
11:38 AM hazzy-lab: What happens if the probe fails to make contact?
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: as most uses the T0 to get the ofsets
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: G38.2 takes care
11:38 AM hazzy-lab: It just stops with an error, OK
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: BUT it is Ubiversity or Factory RULE
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: START at Tool Diameter in X Y and Z pos
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: Start SUB ofcause
11:40 AM IchGucksLive: Most Factorys got Rules to work as they work in shifts
11:40 AM hazzy-lab: Ok, I see it moves a max of 20mm for each probe
11:40 AM IchGucksLive: so the person M/W in knowes what person out did
11:41 AM hazzy-lab: right
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: yoiu can give this a parameter ofcause
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: BUT it is Education
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: and they know they need to pay 5USD for a bitbrek
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: so they take care
11:42 AM hazzy-lab: Haha, that is a good way to prevent breakage :)
11:42 AM IchGucksLive: and pile up bits as i pay 50cent for one
11:42 AM IchGucksLive: so it is one on ten
11:43 AM hazzy-lab: At the Lockheed plant here you can break so many bits a month, and then you have to start paying for them
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: hazzy-lab, you can be shure every class got frech bits _ LOL
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: this is why Mashining 4.0 is a not good idee
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: i worked at a plant and one person always got the Harden plates from steel plant with the
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: "Kruste" "Schlacke"
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: so he used alot of tooling
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: he woudt be firerd at this 4.0 logistic recalculation
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: BUT it is the best way to get one person on this then he knows how to handle it
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, o<autonullen
11:47 AM IchGucksLive: YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoE1Ink3VyI
11:47 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, we are melkting this thursday
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: robotustra, still online
11:48 AM gloops: yes 2 more weeks of this Ichs
11:49 AM gloops: at least
11:51 AM IchGucksLive: robotustra, i see ip in canada montreal so why german LANG
11:52 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, its holiday here so the beach will be full of BACON
11:52 AM IchGucksLive: like at Burningman BRC
11:53 AM gloops: beach might be the best place - cooler breeze
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: on friday a groop of almost drunken people made a bath at 2:35am
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: and near 150 people shoudet at them to be silent
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: more noice from spectators
11:55 AM hazzy-lab: jthornton: Added a new archive with using the setup.py approach: http://files.kcjengr.com/?dir=dev
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: naked bathing only alowed to 8:30am
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: hazzy-lab, we coudt add a ELSE (msg, NO TOOL LOADED)
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: so for the wear people
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: hazzy-lab, as the subroutine only ends no info on no tool
11:57 AM hazzy-lab: Yes, and maybe have it return to the start pos if probing failed, rather than just stop
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: NO
11:57 AM hazzy-lab: That is how it is done on most machines
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: you dont know where it fails
11:58 AM hazzy-lab: Prevents crashes
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: just STOP
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: let the user brain desigt on what happend
11:58 AM hazzy-lab: For educational use, just stopping it best, but in production no
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: THE Interreter will stop also on fail as toolprobe is in place
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: production never will use a probescreen
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: Factory related SUB
12:00 PM hazzy-lab: ??
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: OR simply 3-6 Buttons
12:00 PM hazzy-lab: G38.3 will not stop the interpretor on probe error
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: so every axis at its own
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: this is not used by the programmer
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: in EU it is always POS
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: as in the UK and Inch sides it is most NEG
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: and on 4-9 Axis it is center Down
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: DIN pallet loader uses this
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: so different user needs different things
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: therfor no Probescreen Standard
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: o<probehole6> call
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: there you can get 9 parametrics in
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: or press Xpos zero button
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: xNeg touch
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: SET Half X
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: SAME as on Y
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: not like what parameter is what keep it somple
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: simple
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: hazzy-lab, im off
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: closing garden harvestin tomatos
12:09 PM hazzy-lab: cu ichs
12:11 PM phiplii: There are linux drivers for these cheap boards now : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272526206277
12:12 PM phiplii: 1, 2, 4 and 8 relay USB boards.
12:17 PM jthornton: hazzy-lab, thanks for the help
12:18 PM hazzy-lab: jthornton: Absolutely, I can't even begin to give back, but I am doing my best :)
12:19 PM robotustra: sorry, was milling nut holders
12:20 PM * jthornton runs to Menards to get one more roll of hardware cloth to finish up the sprouting boxes
01:19 PM JT-Shop: hazzy-lab: would it make it easier if I made setup.py into a class then create an object from it in main.py?
01:21 PM hazzy-lab: JT-Shop: Yes, that would work, but why not just put it in MainWIndow class? That is were it belongs since the combo box is a part is a part of the main window
01:23 PM hazzy-lab: If you want to divide things up (which is good), you should subclass QComboBox and implement everything there, and then use the promote feature in QtDesigner to make the regular combobox a DebugComboBox
01:24 PM hazzy-lab: and then you can do thinks like `self.debugComboBox.getDebugLevel()`
01:24 PM hazzy-lab: in the MainWIndow class
01:25 PM JT-Shop: can you make a small example of that for me?
01:26 PM hazzy-lab: Sure!
01:26 PM JT-Shop: thanks
02:02 PM hazzy-lab: JT-Shop: http://files.kcjengr.com/dev/QComboBox_subclass.tar.gz
02:06 PM hazzy-lab: Right click in designer on the debugCombo and select "premoted widgets", you will see that I have told it to use the custom "debugComboBox" from the "debug_combobox.py" files instead if the standard "QComboBox"
02:08 PM hazzy-lab: I also added a custom "debugLevelChanged" signal to the combobox. that is not needed as you could just use the activated signal and then use self.debugComo.getDebugLevel() in the activated handlerthat, but I think it is neater to have the custom signal
02:27 PM robotustra: what are you designing?
02:30 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: I don't know what JT-Shop is working on, but I am on this new GUI for LinuxCNC: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/34572-a-widescreen-blender-style-interface?start=230#gallery-1
02:30 PM CaptHindsight: in reference to the USB relay boards with Linux https://github.com/darrylb123/usbrelay
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: https://github.com/pavel-a/usb-relay-hid
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.instructables.com/id/USB-HID-relay-module-for-Raspberry-Pi-Windows-PC/
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: http://vusb.wikidot.com/project:driver-less-usb-relays-hid-interface
02:32 PM hazzy-lab: CaptHindsight: That looks very handy
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: somebody asked about them ~2 hours ago, and left the channel minutes later
02:33 PM robotustra: looks good
02:34 PM robotustra: but I would move start button away from stop button a little bit
02:34 PM robotustra: but it's mho
02:34 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: I agree, there are a lot of things about that UI that need some work :)
02:35 PM hazzy-lab: We are also working on a probing utility: https://gitlab.com/Hazzy/TurboProbe
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: how many duinos does it support? :)
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: what!? "The license for the API library is not decided yet, but it won't be GPL. We'd like to make it free from GPL limitations."
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: http://vusb.wikidot.com/project:driver-less-usb-relays-hid-interface
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: "Why we are doing this? We've bought some of these relays on eBay, liked them - but need to use them with a Linux machine."
02:38 PM hazzy-lab: Maybe they mean less restrictive, like an MIT license
02:38 PM robotustra: is there ary "standard" cnc panel?
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: they don't say which way they lean
02:39 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: Software or hardware?
02:39 PM robotustra: both
02:40 PM robotustra: there are a lot of companies who does cnc machines and they invest a lot of time in the design of control panels
02:40 PM gloops: i like the old gui!
02:40 PM robotustra: did somebody make an analisys of such panels?
02:40 PM robotustra: I like gui of windows xp ;-)
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: robotustra: the analysis usually ends up with "I like such and such more" ...
02:41 PM gloops: well look at irc
02:41 PM robotustra: let's take a usual PC keyboard. There are a lot of variants but in general there is a "standard" layout
02:41 PM gloops: i like hexchat and mirc ui
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: it's highly personal
02:41 PM gloops: the bog standard
02:41 PM robotustra: CaptHindsight, that's very very bad actually
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: only I have the best GUI's
02:42 PM gloops: i dont like the flashy custom interfaces
02:42 PM robotustra: gloops, me too
02:42 PM gloops: gawdy colours, flashing lights etc
02:42 PM Rab: amatus, you have it?!
02:43 PM Rab: oops, wrong channel
02:43 PM robotustra: I like interfaces which I can remember by fingers, and not to look up every time by eyes
02:43 PM robotustra: if every button on it's place you become comfy with it and your work speeds up
02:44 PM robotustra: you don't need to relearn UI everytime somebody design new one
02:44 PM robotustra: again, imho
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: yeah depends on the job, the machine, personal preference etc
02:45 PM gloops: yes
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: having the tools to easily tweak it is nice
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: "easily" without having to learn another language
02:46 PM CaptHindsight: but it lots of work, so many attempts stall out
02:46 PM robotustra: I trained to type blind on "standard" keyboard more than 10 years ago, I would like to have "standard" hardware and software interface for my cnc machines
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: or it gets ignored since they used the wrong language to make the tools to make the GUI easy to tweak
02:47 PM hazzy-lab: CaptHindsight: Like gladeVCP ...
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: I'd like to see Vulkan with Linuxcnc, it might happen if it gets funded
02:52 PM robotustra: did somebody analyse centroid gui? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pwRD9-bnbGQ/maxresdefault.jpg
02:53 PM robotustra: is there any stadnard pictograms on cnc machine buttons?
02:55 PM jthornton: hazzy-lab, thanks again :)
02:55 PM XXCoder: so 80s
02:55 PM XXCoder: early 90s
02:55 PM hazzy-lab: jthornton: Sure!
02:56 PM hazzy-lab: jthornton: What are you working in, a config editor?
02:56 PM hazzy-lab: on*
02:56 PM XXCoder: also, I hate reference tool setup. I prefer common reference point elsewhere.
02:56 PM XXCoder: unless first tool is simply gauge rod so its not actually cutting anything so will never lose reference
02:57 PM jthornton: hazzy-lab, trying to learn to use pypt and make a configuration wizard for the 7i96 board at the same time
02:57 PM Tom_L: jthornton, what you workin on?
02:57 PM jthornton: trying to make a simple configuration wizard
02:57 PM hazzy-lab: jthornton: Awesome!
02:57 PM jthornton: a configuration wizard for the 7i96 board
02:58 PM * jthornton goes back to the shop to finish up the last two sprouting boxes for the chickens
02:59 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/26174-screen-shots-of-gui-designs?start=10
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/26174-screen-shots-of-gui-designs?start=20#78268
03:02 PM * hazzy-lab likes the vertical screen layout
03:03 PM robotustra: is it possible to write modules for linuxcnc in qt/c++?
03:04 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: In the work!
03:04 PM hazzy-lab: That is the main think I am working on right now
03:04 PM hazzy-lab: think = thing
03:06 PM hazzy-lab: At this very moment I am working on making a Qt base widget that can be embedded in the axis GUI
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: does anyone know what the end goal was for machinekit?
03:06 PM pfred1: I wish someone would work on getting dxf2gcode to work
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: I know that they wanted to do LCNC their way, but what was the ultimate goal?
03:07 PM robotustra: "when I was heading to America I was thinking that there sidewalks are made of gold. But I find out that there is no sidewalks in America and I have to build them myself" (c)
03:07 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: What is wrong with dxf2gcode, I thought it worked?
03:07 PM robotustra: I think the same thing with linux cnc
03:07 PM robotustra: gui
03:07 PM pfred1: it worked past tense it doesn't work on newer version of Debian though
03:07 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: hehe, very true
03:08 PM robotustra: I'm off
03:08 PM hazzy-lab: So it does not work on stretch? I can will look into that
03:08 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: cu
03:08 PM pfred1: I can't get 3 digites past the decimal point
03:08 PM pfred1: digits even
03:09 PM pfred1: it just throw out anything past 2 digits
03:09 PM CaptHindsight: proabaly a change in libs
03:09 PM hazzy-lab: Ok, that should be an easy fix
03:09 PM pfred1: man if you can get it to work that'd rock!
03:10 PM pfred1: I read on G+ I think that someone changed a plugin and got it to work for them
03:10 PM pfred1: so there might be a bug in Debian?
03:10 PM hazzy-lab: Are you using the version form SourceForge?
03:11 PM pfred1: I tried a couple versions
03:19 PM pfred1: man I'm pumped up I finally got this circuit to work over here https://i.imgur.com/CEtemMi.jpg
03:19 PM pfred1: I ain't even pushing pulling or pedalling
03:20 PM CaptHindsight: http://fortune.com/2018/07/21/boston-dynamics-spotmini-robot-dog/
03:21 PM CaptHindsight: huh, after Google sold the co
03:21 PM pfred1: they did?
03:21 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, purchased them ~'13 and sold them last year
03:23 PM pfred1: who do you sell a robotics company to?
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: http://fortune.com/2017/06/09/softbank-robotics-google-alphabet-boston-dynamics/
03:25 PM pfred1: ah yes the Japanese I forgot about them
03:25 PM JT-Shop: .weather
03:25 PM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Poplar Bluff, MO, US: Partly Cloudy, 31°C (87°F), Humidity: 44%, Fresh breeze 8.0m/s (↓)
03:26 PM CaptHindsight: pfred1: never forget, they are the ones that attacked Pearl Harbor :)
03:26 PM pfred1: they had their reasons
03:26 PM CaptHindsight: too soon?
03:26 PM pfred1: FDR was a real asshole
03:27 PM CaptHindsight: had to be, look at the assholes he was up against
03:27 PM pfred1: until he messed with them the Japanese didn't do anything to us
03:28 PM CaptHindsight: nah,the japanese were just out for a power, land, resources grab same as the other imperialists
03:29 PM XXCoder: yeah they allied with axis and they really wanted to get more islands and china
03:29 PM XXCoder: and decided peice of usa was great idea. good thing they did actually, as usa was refusing to join till later
03:29 PM CaptHindsight: if japoan had just stuck to japan they would have done fine
03:30 PM pfred1: japan has no natural resources
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: they repelled every invasion in the past 1000 years
03:30 PM pfred1: they don't even have enough land to feed themselves
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: I have some Japanese friends that I like to get into this with for fun
03:31 PM XXCoder: japan was working very very hard on rising themselves from what they was. they succeed so hard
03:31 PM pfred1: western powers really have no business in the far east anyways
03:31 PM CaptHindsight: same with German family, "what were you thinking?"
03:32 PM pfred1: they were thinking hit the soviets before the soviets could attack
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: summer has really changed around here, we are back to cool weather 70's day, 50's night
03:32 PM pfred1: yeah it's almost over
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: we had a stretch of 90's for a while
03:33 PM pfred1: pretty hot here today though
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: 120% humidity
03:33 PM XXCoder: so, hard rain eh
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: yeah the upper midwest is on the back end of some storm
03:33 PM XXCoder: never ever attack russia during winter
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: winds from the east
03:34 PM XXCoder: napaleon made same mistake
03:34 PM pfred1: XXCoder Germany attacked in the spring
03:34 PM XXCoder: russia soldiers + winter = 10000% more winning
03:34 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: you have to lure the Russians to somewhere warm
03:34 PM CaptHindsight: take the Russians on in Hawaii
03:35 PM XXCoder: lol
03:35 PM XXCoder: even if germany didnt attack russia, they was in losing position anyway
03:35 PM XXCoder: too many fronts of war
03:35 PM pfred1: how you figure?
03:35 PM pfred1: they were done in the west
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: how many movies came out last year about Churchill?
03:36 PM pfred1: that was only because France and the UK declared war on Germany too
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: older Europeans could never get along
03:38 PM pfred1: they did not want a rising Germany to compete with their established empires
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: now it's the Asians after things settle in the middle east
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.npr.org/2018/07/22/630532760/romes-subway-expansion-reveals-artifacts-from-the-ancient-past
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: interesting finds when building a new subway in a 2500 year old town
03:40 PM XXCoder: yeah. lots of history in that land!
03:40 PM XXCoder: literally everywhere
03:40 PM XXCoder: usa is so young
03:40 PM CaptHindsight: https://thediplomat.com/ covers news in Asia
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: covers lots of the news minutia you don't hear about in the west
03:42 PM pfred1: XXCoder there were people here before the USA was established
03:42 PM XXCoder: well kinda duh pfred1
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: the closet casino owners
03:43 PM XXCoder: im saying USA (the country) is young'
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: they were just waiting for their time
03:43 PM XXCoder: I didnt say human history in america is short
03:43 PM XXCoder: humanity have been in americas for hundred thousand years in least
03:43 PM pfred1: there's buildings by me older than the USA
03:43 PM pfred1: nah more like about 13,000
03:44 PM XXCoder: I went to Fort Vancouver, and I went to site of first fort vancouver for school.
03:44 PM pfred1: humanity itself hasn't existed for hundreds of thousands of years
03:44 PM XXCoder: theres two sites for fort vancouver, first one burnt down
03:44 PM XXCoder: lol creatism eh
03:45 PM CaptHindsight: https://phys.org/news/2011-03-paleo-indians-north-america-earlier-thought.html
03:45 PM pfred1: well we barely break into the hundreds of thousands the oldest fossils are about 200K years old
03:46 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: hmm I recalled it was in least 100k but might have misremembered. thanks
03:46 PM pfred1: how human those specimins were is somewhat debatable today too
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: https://phys.org/news/2014-08-dna-unravels-settlement-history-world.html
03:46 PM XXCoder: pfred1: whew thought you was going for creatism. :) sorry
03:47 PM pfred1: nah humans haven't been around for very long
03:47 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: Do you have a DXF file I can test with?
03:47 PM XXCoder: that depends very much on "what is human"?
03:47 PM pfred1: hazzy-lab I do but I don't know how I could get it to you
03:47 PM XXCoder: reasonably modern ones, ones that can live in nowdays if rised from baby existed in least 300k years
03:48 PM CaptHindsight: pastebin
03:48 PM pfred1: I could paste it into pastebin I guess
03:48 PM XXCoder: evolution dont have discrate steps (unless there was major bottlenecks) so its hard
03:48 PM pfred1: jynx!
03:48 PM pfred1: yeah let me do that
03:48 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: paste would be fine!
03:48 PM hazzy-lab: thanks
03:48 PM pfred1: it's just a small test file
03:48 PM hazzy-lab: perfect
03:49 PM XXCoder: dxf is nice text format. one of reasons I chose it for convertor years ago lol
03:49 PM pfred1: ah it's right in my home dir that's convenient
03:49 PM XXCoder: obj is bit harder and less standardized
03:49 PM XXCoder: *nice text type 3d format (more clear)
03:49 PM hazzy-lab: but obj is also 3d
03:49 PM XXCoder: it is.
03:49 PM pfred1: dang it is still 2777 lines long!
03:49 PM hazzy-lab: haha
03:49 PM Deejay: gn8
03:49 PM pfred1: it is just a damned box
03:50 PM hazzy-lab: n8
03:50 PM XXCoder: pfred1: heh largest dxf I ever made was over 2 gb
03:50 PM XXCoder: er 1 gb
03:50 PM pfred1: OK let me paste it
03:50 PM XXCoder: removed studs from huge lego model and it cut down to just few megabytes
03:50 PM pfred1: any preferred paste site?
03:50 PM hazzy-lab: dpaste.com
03:50 PM pfred1: some don't like pastebin
03:50 PM XXCoder: personally I like dpaste
03:51 PM hazzy-lab: No adds :)
03:51 PM hazzy-lab: -d
03:51 PM XXCoder: ldraw orginial model was just over 1 mb. ldraw is amazing good on model with many many many repeative parts. say like lego stufds
03:55 PM * JT-Shop has not seen dpaste.com before and has been using paste.ubuntu.com
03:55 PM pfred1: http://dpaste.com/119ZCAA
03:55 PM pfred1: they don't have text as a choice
03:55 PM hazzy-lab: plain text is a chose
03:55 PM XXCoder: they have raw paste at end anyway
03:55 PM pfred1: I couldn't find it
03:55 PM XXCoder: so it dont really matter'
03:55 PM JT-Shop: paste.ubuntu.com has a plain text choice
03:55 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: Thanks!
03:56 PM pfred1: sure np
03:56 PM XXCoder: raw text http://dpaste.com/119ZCAA.txt
03:56 PM XXCoder: I was wrong about it being at end, they changed site a little. much better
03:56 PM pfred1: XXCoder well it isn't on the menu here
03:56 PM XXCoder: its just "raw text" link at title
03:56 PM pfred1: there's a text button
03:57 PM XXCoder: yeah it wasnt like that last time I used
03:58 PM pfred1: I need to get some kind of CAM working on this PC
03:58 PM XXCoder: freecad?
03:58 PM XXCoder: its not very good but..
03:58 PM pfred1: that has G Code?
03:58 PM XXCoder: yeah
03:58 PM pfred1: hmm
03:59 PM XXCoder: theres always svg to gcode
03:59 PM pfred1: I'll have to check that out
03:59 PM XXCoder: and another dxf to gcode (2d, both)
03:59 PM pfred1: I think I have freecad installed
03:59 PM XXCoder: dont use 0.16, 0.17 is now stable and pretty awesome
04:00 PM pfred1: if i have it I probably built it from git not too long ago
04:00 PM pfred1: yeah I got it
04:00 PM pfred1: 0.18
04:00 PM XXCoder: now thats bleeding edge
04:01 PM XXCoder: it already looks quite different
04:01 PM pfred1: yeah it's different than 0.17 was
04:03 PM pfred1: https://i.imgur.com/H2ehT5K.png
04:05 PM XXCoder: mines 14089 2018/07/16
04:05 PM pfred1: this stuff looks like a nightmare to figure out how to use
04:05 PM pfred1: it is the path module right?
04:05 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99VshffvDY ?
04:05 PM XXCoder: yeah
04:06 PM XXCoder: just found video and its 3 months old! recent enough to should be 0.17 PATH
04:06 PM pfred1: I'm sure it's easy to use for people that know how to use it
04:06 PM XXCoder: its always easy to people who know, even if gui is a nightmare :D
04:06 PM XXCoder: blender is a nightmare to me
04:06 PM pfred1: yeah I can't even make a sphere in Blender
04:07 PM pfred1: I just get a black window
04:07 PM XXCoder: i followed some tutorals, did some stuff and forgot all about how it works.
04:07 PM pfred1: I haven't touched Blender in at least 10 years now
04:08 PM pfred1: I basically hate all CAD software
04:08 PM pfred1: well I don't mind inkscape and xfig
04:08 PM XXCoder: heh im getting pretty good. this took me only a minute https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3014038
04:08 PM XXCoder: pictures, uploading, etc etc took me 10 times longer
04:09 PM pfred1: but past that I never used another drawing program on a computer that I liked
04:09 PM XXCoder: it was demonstion of how such graphic style is modeled
04:09 PM pfred1: I've spent some time working through tutorials in freecad
04:10 PM pfred1: it is frustrating stuff though
04:10 PM XXCoder: I love inkscape, freecad and paint.net each for its own specific uses
04:10 PM XXCoder: tutorials for freecad is out of dated
04:10 PM pfred1: yeah I'm not bad with inkscape
04:10 PM XXCoder: you cant even do some stuff there because of changes
04:10 PM pfred1: that's the downside to the bleeding edge
04:11 PM pfred1: no one knows what's going on there
04:11 PM XXCoder: 0.17 is now stable, I really suggest you use it
04:11 PM XXCoder: freecad is changing VERY fast, way too fast for docs even at stable level
04:11 PM XXCoder: thats why its not even 1.0 yet
04:14 PM gloops: i think the latest freecad release has been abandoned by users
04:14 PM gloops: under advice from the devs
04:14 PM XXCoder: which version?
04:16 PM gloops: .17 was it? i saw a lot of queries about crashing on the facebook site, seems the advice was to stick with.16
04:19 PM pfred1: I've run 0.17
04:19 PM pfred1: it doesn't crash for me
04:19 PM XXCoder: yeah it seemed fine to me
04:20 PM pfred1: you'd think after 11 years they'd be past 0.17 though
04:20 PM XXCoder: that 2 slice thing I linked to here recently freecad was just great
04:21 PM pfred1: I can remember trying to run geda back in the day and that stuff would crash if you just looked at it funny
04:21 PM pfred1: that is kicad today
04:21 PM XXCoder: 0.13 was a lot of fun
04:22 PM pfred1: so I know about program crashes
04:22 PM pfred1: I used to love Gnome's bug buddy popping up to tell me about a crash then it'd crash
04:23 PM XXCoder: cad is hugely complex
04:23 PM pfred1: I got the kicad git to run then I couldn't figure out how to configure the part libraries in it
04:23 PM XXCoder: so not surpised it took a while. it didnt help that it was too early for people to take interest
04:24 PM XXCoder: its only kast couple years that its starting to relly take off
04:24 PM pfred1: floss software is often pretty amateur hour
04:25 PM XXCoder: video on freecad cam is pretty good
04:26 PM pfred1: I'm so excited my Jay Diddy 5 transistor ESR breadboard circuit is working
04:27 PM pfred1: man I made some stupid mistaking putting that together
04:27 PM pfred1: mistakes even
04:27 PM pfred1: but I got it working
04:27 PM XXCoder: nice
04:28 PM pfred1: it looks simple enough https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/jay-diddy-5-transistor-esr-meter/?action=dlattach;attach=222107;image
04:29 PM pfred1: there's some pretty convoluted parts in that circuit though
04:29 PM XXCoder: apparently there is southern trucks with russia flags now
04:29 PM XXCoder: weird
04:29 PM pfred1: Russian bots!
04:30 PM XXCoder: because last time I checked, russia isnt usa, nor is it conferete
04:30 PM pfred1: the deplorables associate with Russia now
04:30 PM XXCoder: fun
04:31 PM XXCoder: whats the circuit board do.
04:31 PM XXCoder: ?
04:31 PM pfred1: every time someone posts a conservative view they get accused of being a Russian bot
04:31 PM pfred1: it measures the ESR of a capacitor
04:31 PM pfred1: high ESR caps are generally no good
04:31 PM XXCoder: ah "resistance" inside cap
04:32 PM pfred1: it is the most common failure mode in electronics bad caps
04:32 PM pfred1: usually you can see them but not all bad caps look funny
04:32 PM XXCoder: man forgot a lot about electrics concepts
04:32 PM XXCoder: yeah
04:32 PM XXCoder: 8 bit guy usually replace caps lots of time when fixing old 8 bit systems like c64
04:32 PM pfred1: here's my built up breadboard circuit https://i.imgur.com/CEtemMi.jpg
04:32 PM pfred1: there's a 2.2 Ohm resistor across it
04:33 PM pfred1: full scale would be 0 Ohms
04:33 PM XXCoder: reddish brown disk one is caop?
04:33 PM pfred1: ceramic cap
04:33 PM XXCoder: oh yes black/gray strip, metal top
04:33 PM pfred1: none of the caps on the board are being tested they're all in the circuit
04:34 PM pfred1: the second resistor from the left on the bottom is actually across the test points
04:34 PM pfred1: it is a 2.2 Ohm resistor so low resistance
04:35 PM pfred1: caps are even lower resistance
04:35 PM XXCoder: interesting. so you plan to majke final board to test caps?
04:35 PM pfred1: yeah
04:36 PM pfred1: now that i see the parts that i have work I'll make a final soldered up board
04:36 PM pfred1: some of the diodes I had to do a substitution for
04:36 PM pfred1: I didn't have what the circuit called for but I found ones that work
04:36 PM XXCoder: got router to make your own or just use solder breadboard type?
04:37 PM pfred1: yeah I'll lay it out in kicad
04:38 PM pfred1: I love my electronics fiddling it's my favorite thing
04:38 PM XXCoder: I liked the electrics part of my CS class
04:38 PM pfred1: that's why I got into for the electronics aspect of it
04:38 PM XXCoder: but didnt go too far into it
04:38 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day and grabs a cold La Cerveza Mas Fina
04:39 PM pfred1: got into CNC that is
04:39 PM XXCoder: hey JT-Shop
04:39 PM pfred1: at one point i made all the electronics for my machine
04:39 PM pfred1: the motor drives the BOB all of it
04:39 PM XXCoder: cam machinign sim starts at https://youtu.be/M99VshffvDY?t=2045
04:39 PM pfred1: but now I'm running Chinese drives
04:40 PM pfred1: I can't make them cheaper than the Chinese can
04:40 PM XXCoder: yeah
04:40 PM XXCoder: things is much cheaper when dont care about workers nor envorment
04:40 PM pfred1: and some of the TB6600 drives are pretty good better than my homemade 6560s
04:40 PM JT-Shop: hey XXCoder
04:41 PM * JT-Shop heads to the chicken yard to relax a bit
04:41 PM pfred1: bwak?
04:56 PM Laminae: So, mesa 7i76e question. Alright, so i got some fuses set up for the drivers and a separate bar for power to them but now i'm a little confused about the documentation of field power, specifically: "VIN power must be present for the 7I76E field I/O to be detected and operate. "
04:56 PM Laminae: My confusion is that i understood field power to be a configuration for an electrically isolated power supply
04:56 PM Laminae: But that verbage makes me think i need to have power to it at all times the unit to operate?
04:57 PM Laminae: Or is that to indicate only items running off of the TB1 bar?
04:58 PM pcw_home: Field power powers the outputs and sets the input thresholds, vin powers the logic on the field I/O side
04:58 PM pcw_home: normally they are just tied together (via W1)
05:00 PM pcw_home: if you need a 5V field voltage you need to supply VIN separately
05:01 PM Laminae: Gotcha, i appreciate the information
05:02 PM Laminae: Is there a efuse or any protection between w1 and the driver output?
05:05 PM Laminae: And sorry, i know this is reduntant but to verify, input power should be only on TB3 pins 22 and 23 respectively?
05:10 PM pcw_home: The drivers have built in short circuit protection
05:11 PM pfred1: those sound like famous last words
05:12 PM pcw_home: the driver are no perfect but if driven into a shorted load will be disabled and flag an error
05:13 PM pcw_home: (so linuxcnc knows, then you need to restart the system to recover)
05:14 PM pcw_home: tested by shorting the 24V outputs to ground
05:15 PM Laminae: Ah, i only ask because i just went through all this extra effort to add those fuses haha
05:16 PM pcw_home: Laminae: FPGA /Ethernet side power can come from TB3 22,23 field I/O power is from TB1
05:16 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: What input boxes in particular did you have trouble with in dxf2gcode, they seems to work fine for me, excepting however many dec plcs I enter
05:16 PM hazzy-lab: ?
05:16 PM pcw_home: nominal overload trip current is 1A
05:16 PM pfred1: hazzy-lab let me see if i even have it still installed
05:16 PM Laminae: I was planning to put w1 to the right side so the jumper supplied power
05:17 PM pcw_home: You still need power to the field I/O side (Orange connector)
05:18 PM Laminae: Turns out i didn't have a 2.8k resistor either so i used a 2.7 so i'm already giving a little extra current limiting
05:18 PM pcw_home: ?
05:18 PM Laminae: On my drivers
05:18 PM pfred1: hazzy-lab I'm going to have to download it again I have some copy but this stuff is crashing when I even try to change the units in it
05:18 PM Laminae: So w1 is only shorting current from field power to outputs?
05:20 PM pcw_home: W1 (left) is connecting field power to field I/O side logic power
05:20 PM Laminae: I see, that's what i was missing
05:20 PM pcw_home: basically shorting TB1 pin 5 to pin 1,2,3,4
05:21 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: ok, thanks. Maybe it is already fixed :)
05:21 PM Laminae: So is that so someone can electrically isolate two power supplies?
05:21 PM Laminae: I guess i'm just a little confused what benefit it provides
05:21 PM pcw_home: Yes the filed I/O side can be completely isolated from the Ethernet/FPGA side
05:22 PM pfred1: hazzy-lab you download this? https://sourceforge.net/projects/dxf2gcode/
05:23 PM pcw_home: main thing that can damage outputs is too large inductive loads without flyback diodes
05:23 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: yes
05:23 PM pfred1: OK I'll give it a shot
05:23 PM Laminae: Gotcha but for my configuration, i'll be providing power to TB3 pins 23 and 22 in addition to TB 1 pins 8 and 5
05:24 PM pcw_home: (more Joules than the drivers built in flyback protection can accommodate)
05:24 PM Laminae: ,,,,Well, really i have no idea what protection the geckos have
05:25 PM Laminae: I definitely don't have over voltage protection
05:25 PM Laminae: I bought the cheap gecko 251x series
05:25 PM pcw_home: Yeah that fine, suggest current limited PS until you are sure about polarities
05:26 PM Laminae: I didn't expect the wiring to be so different on this than the generic gbrl boards
05:27 PM Laminae: My z axis wire bundle is almost 6 feet long and i'm wondering if 20 gauge is enough to carry the current, dielectric less should be pretty minimal at that length right?
05:28 PM pfred1: whelp it doesn't work here
05:28 PM pfred1: I guess that's just my proboem if it works for everyone but me
05:30 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: You can't install it even?
05:31 PM hazzy-lab: What version of debian are you on?
05:31 PM pfred1: I installed it just fine
05:31 PM pfred1: it is running now and doing what it always does for me
05:31 PM pfred1: in the machine Configuration I can't have 3 decimal places
05:32 PM pfred1: when I put 3 in and move to another field it just trunciates it to two places
05:32 PM pfred1: 0.001 changes to 0.00 which is worthless
05:33 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: Ok thanks, I can reproduce here
05:33 PM pfred1: oh it is doing it to you too?
05:34 PM pfred1: it makes me so mad I can spit nails
05:34 PM hazzy-lab: I have to run but I will look into it, should be an easy fix
05:34 PM pfred1: it hasn't been easy for me
05:36 PM pcw_home: 20 ga is probably too small for step motor wire unless they are pretty low current
05:37 PM pfred1: bah piffle
05:39 PM pfred1: 20AWG Cu Wire Free air: 9.443A
05:42 PM CaptHindsight: is that how many amps it takes to vaporize the copper?
05:43 PM Laminae: Well, my drivers can't take more than 3.5 amps anyway
05:43 PM Laminae: And my motors per inductance calculator 2.8
05:43 PM pfred1: no it should handle it
05:43 PM Roguish: 18 ga is way better.
05:44 PM pfred1: yeah I used all 18
05:44 PM pfred1: whatever was in IEC power cords
05:44 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
05:44 PM pfred1: I've seen people use ethernet cable to wire stepepr motors though
05:44 PM pfred1: it works
05:44 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wire-gauges-d_419.html
05:45 PM Laminae: And i have a 2.7 limiting resistor on there
05:45 PM Laminae: I can't fit a bootlace crimp for 18 gauge inside the terminal
05:45 PM Laminae: On the driver side
05:47 PM pcw_home: Yea if you have 6 foot cable that ~.3 ohms with 20 ga and ~25% of the static power with 20 ga wire
05:47 PM CaptHindsight: miss0r went off to the Swedish forests at the peak of its actual firestorm
05:47 PM pcw_home: it will work but you lose a bit
05:48 PM pcw_home: (assumming ~ 1 Ohm steppers)
05:49 PM Laminae: Hmm, the z isn't doing nearly as much work as the x and y
05:49 PM pfred1: yeah?
05:50 PM Laminae: I'm not cutting hard stuff
05:50 PM Laminae: Mostly wood and plastics
05:50 PM Laminae: Once i finish rebuilding the flood enclosure, cf
05:51 PM Laminae: I have a little baby router https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/453340148722171929/469991545915965450/20180720_132212.jpg?width=621&height=466
05:52 PM pfred1: I don't see a router
05:53 PM Laminae: Just the frame in the image
05:54 PM Laminae: I cut those 1/4in side panels and made the t slot bed
05:54 PM Laminae: Since i was doing all this other stuff anyway i just gave the whole thing a makeover
05:55 PM Laminae: I was tempted to switch to mgn rails but jesus that's a ton of moneys
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: he's moving the whole Z-axis including the positioner vs just the spindle (not shown)
05:56 PM XXCoder: I see xyz platform
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: if you flipped the Z 180 you'd see the Z carriage
05:59 PM Laminae: https://openbuildspartstore.com/openbuilds-c-beam-machine-xlarge/
05:59 PM Laminae: That help?
05:59 PM XXCoder: looks smaller than I expected
06:00 PM Laminae: It's touted on a plate cutter although i think it's probablt the wrong tool for that job if that's what you were really trying to do
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: the Z positioner has more moving mass with that arrangement...
06:01 PM Laminae: In the sense that it uses a dual plate?
06:01 PM CaptHindsight: spindle + positioner mass vs just the spindle and carriage mass
06:01 PM Laminae: Ah
06:01 PM Laminae: I agree
06:01 PM Laminae: I think that the trade off was a cheap way to make the whole machine leadscrew driven with off the shelf components
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: is it a leadscew vs ballscrew?
06:02 PM Laminae: The new sphionz version is better in that regard
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: https://openbuildspartstore.com/linear-actuators-1/
06:03 PM Laminae: Yes
06:03 PM CaptHindsight: the screw will wear faster with that arrangement
06:03 PM Laminae: It's definitely not a high end machine
06:04 PM CaptHindsight: maybe a motor/router bracket was too much work for openbuilds
06:04 PM Laminae: Although the carriers use machined delrin
06:04 PM Laminae: I suspect that would be the first point of failure in the arrangement
06:05 PM * robotustra back
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: polymer bearings are fine for what you're doing
06:06 PM Laminae: At some point i would certainly like to build a better machine but i will need more space
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: if you shopped around on ebay you could fine much better parts that are used but then you need to know how to put it all together
06:07 PM Laminae: It's something i had considered but at the time i had only built printers and worked with laser cutters and i wanted a known good to start with
06:07 PM Laminae: I didn't anticipate how much i would use it
06:08 PM Laminae: The linuc cnc upgrade is could of the middle child, when i have more shop space i would like to do something a bit more robust
06:08 PM Laminae: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/453340148722171929/469726260331806722/Screenshot_2018-07-19-21-44-11.png?width=828&height=466
06:08 PM Laminae: Maybe not quite that but somewhere in the middle
06:10 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/100-1000mm-Manual-Sliding-Table-Ball-Screw-Linear-Stage-CNC-Slide-Stroke-New/283036159839 Chinaco positioner are getting better and lower cost
06:11 PM Laminae: That would certainly be a better option
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/273333309424
06:13 PM Laminae: I would need to be approaching the end of the functional life of this machine to really justify those though
06:13 PM Laminae: I think that would be fantastic with a bollows though
06:13 PM Laminae: bellows*
06:14 PM Laminae: Added insurance from a flood bath lead
06:14 PM Laminae: leak*
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: https://openbuildspartstore.com/lead-screw-nut-blocks/
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: or just replace them as they wear
06:17 PM Laminae: Yeah, that's a good idea
06:18 PM Laminae: It would be a lot easier to make a place to attach that misumi t slot
06:18 PM Laminae: Ended up being a lot more work than it should have
06:19 PM Laminae: I think 1000mm on a c beam that far off center is really a lot of torque
06:20 PM Laminae: SO i don't think i'll be cutting much in the way aluminum, i did it to make a few brackets just because i didn't want to wait to do it at work but i had low feeds
06:20 PM Laminae: And my spindle isn't really the right tool for it either
06:28 PM pfred1: aluminum is easy to cut
06:29 PM pfred1: you just need some WD-40 you don't have to flood cool aluminum
06:33 PM robotustra: I don't even use wd40
06:33 PM robotustra: just blow chips
06:34 PM Laminae: I need the flood for cf
06:36 PM Laminae: My first version worked okayish but 1: the acyrlic where the bolts that mounted to the spoiler started to crack, and the diameter of the inlet was too small and would clog
06:36 PM Laminae: So i had to put a big prefilter on it which i really didn't leave meyself enough space for
06:37 PM Laminae: I'd really like to remake the whole enclosure using delrin or abs
06:37 PM Laminae: But acrylic is a lot cheaper and i can easily laser cut it
06:41 PM pfred1: yeah whe nI can't liquid cool air is pretty effective
06:42 PM pfred1: like when I cut Micarta I use air
06:43 PM Laminae: I'm more concerned about breathing cf than anything else
06:45 PM pfred1: just filter the fumes with a cigarette butt you'll be OK
06:45 PM Laminae: Seems legit
07:14 PM XXCoder: caught out as scam https://boingboing.net/2018/07/19/theres-something-very-odd-ab.html
07:14 PM SpeedEvil: I prefer to only buy devices that violate the laws of physics, god, or both.
07:15 PM XXCoder: lol
07:15 PM XXCoder: even without this article I'd have figured theres simply not enough energy
07:16 PM Laminae: solar powered flashlights
07:16 PM Laminae: nuff said
07:16 PM XXCoder: why?
07:16 PM XXCoder: RTG powered :)
07:16 PM Laminae: lol
07:17 PM XXCoder: solar powered does make sense actually, its designed to recharge for emergacy use
07:17 PM XXCoder: definitely not for daily use or anything
07:17 PM Laminae: I'd rather have a hand crank
07:18 PM XXCoder: I supported a kickstarter that uses heat of hand to power weak flashlight
07:18 PM XXCoder: too bad it was scam
07:18 PM SpeedEvil: A quick canvas of reiews of AA toothbrushes say they last about a month, on 2 alkalines.
07:19 PM XXCoder: I had no problem with it being weak powered, its made to work ANYTIME at all. even after years of no use
07:19 PM SpeedEvil: So that's about 0.1Wh/day.
07:19 PM SpeedEvil: Or powering it in 2 seconds - 90W
07:19 PM XXCoder: depends on active usage time
07:20 PM SpeedEvil: Sure.
07:20 PM XXCoder: it could be one use a month
07:20 PM XXCoder: "wow it lasts for years!"
07:20 PM SpeedEvil: Actual use in practice, I mean.
07:20 PM SpeedEvil: But, it's not going to be an average mechanical charging power of 9W. Which is already quite a bit of effort.
07:20 PM SpeedEvil: (into something of that size)
07:21 PM SpeedEvil: AA lithium-iron non-rechargeables last >>15 years
07:21 PM SpeedEvil: Tritium lights decay to half brightness in 12 years
07:22 PM XXCoder: such makes power in microwatts. not enough to seriously power much
07:22 PM SpeedEvil: Tritium is more a 'not bump into large things with dark adapted eyes' than a proper light.
07:23 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:23 PM SpeedEvil: But great for a key-light to find your keys with a proper torch on
07:24 PM Laminae: I havea tritium keychain and unless it's complete darkness, it isn't much help
07:24 PM SpeedEvil: Indeed.
07:24 PM Laminae: About what you'd expect if you've used tritium sights
07:25 PM SpeedEvil: One of the projects on my stack is using a tiny 80mAh lithium-po cylindrical cell inside a tritium keychain light sized package, pulsing a 1W LED at a few microseconds every 100ms or so.
07:25 PM SpeedEvil: And then 0.1s/30s.
07:25 PM SpeedEvil: Very long battery life.
07:26 PM XXCoder: perfect for throw led
07:26 PM XXCoder: with sticky so it flashes once a while annoying someone lol
07:26 PM pfred1: a buddy of mine had some trinitite in a paperweight
07:27 PM pfred1: his grandfather was some kind of a big wig in the manhattan project
07:30 PM XXCoder: nice
07:31 PM pfred1: yeah it had a little brass plaque embedded inside and everything
07:31 PM pfred1: soil fused in the first atomic explosion palo alto 1944 or some such
07:34 PM XXCoder: weird https://youtu.be/Aco63dlq_WE
07:35 PM XXCoder: its also $115 bucks lol
07:35 PM XXCoder: its not that hard to make plastic rings?
07:36 PM pfred1: people have eyes on the sides of their heads?
07:36 PM XXCoder: we do have side visions
07:36 PM XXCoder: its for that
07:36 PM pfred1: it cures motion sickness by being so embarassed wearing those glasses
07:36 PM XXCoder: lol
07:36 PM pfred1: kind of a form of mental acupuncture
07:37 PM XXCoder: apparently it fakes horzion that moves in similiar way as ears is sensing motion
07:37 PM XXCoder: so dizzyness dont happen
07:37 PM pfred1: I was on a friend's boat once and below desk I was getitng kinda queasy
07:37 PM pfred1: below deck even
07:37 PM pfred1: but up on deck it was no problem
07:38 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:38 PM XXCoder: goggles probably would have helped you below deck? dunno lol I'm certainly not paying $115 to test it
07:38 PM pfred1: I've never been motion sick in a car or a train
07:38 PM pfred1: been on some rollercoasters that I regretted
07:39 PM pfred1: the worst was the python in busch gardens
07:39 PM pfred1: it has a twin corkscrew
07:40 PM pfred1: worst 30 seconds of my life
07:41 PM pfred1: space mountain is kinda hairy in the dark too
07:41 PM pfred1: everyone says track C is the worst
07:44 PM XXCoder: im pretty good on rides, besides the fact that I really hate g effects on me
07:46 PM pfred1: yeah I'm not big on it myself
07:47 PM XXCoder: sadly games easily make me seasick
08:04 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: http://i.imgur.com/wEE8HcR.png
08:05 PM hazzy-lab: Just let me know what spin boxes you want me to change the precision on and how much precision you want
08:20 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL9J3DqyvYs
08:51 PM Laminae: before i turn this bad boy on, since my new drivers are active high I only wire my 7i76e Step+ and Dir+ to Step and Dir on the driver, right? My old cheapie drivers had both step- and step+
08:52 PM XXCoder: yeah nad negatives to ground together if I recall right
08:54 PM Laminae: Cool thanks, i'm surprised that isn't in the gecko instructions
08:54 PM XXCoder: i cant remember which one I used lol
08:54 PM pfred1: hazzy-labwoo look at that
08:54 PM XXCoder: think mines negative active
08:54 PM pfred1: hazzy-lab how'd you do that?
08:57 PM pfred1: active low is old school
08:57 PM pfred1: old chips could sink more current than they could source
08:58 PM Laminae: So, does that mean i tie the respective oneds on the stepper to gorund too?
08:58 PM pfred1: there's nothing worse than crap documentation
08:58 PM pfred1: not knowing sucks
08:59 PM Laminae: https://www.geckodrive.com/amfile/file/download/file_id/29/product_id/18/
08:59 PM Laminae: I feel like this could have been written so much better
08:59 PM XXCoder: its been a while so I cant recall
08:59 PM pfred1: usually Gecko is pretty good with documentation
09:00 PM Laminae: Nope, the pic clears it up
09:00 PM Laminae: Separate outputs, pin 8 through 5
09:00 PM Laminae: Guess i should be better at reading before i complain
09:00 PM XXCoder: it took me while to figure stuff out also :)
09:00 PM pfred1: there's stuff I never figure out
09:01 PM Laminae: Well this is all wired up, now i need to go actually install linux cnc on the computer
09:01 PM pfred1: that is usually easy
09:01 PM Laminae: Feel like this is going to be rough
09:01 PM pfred1: nah
09:01 PM XXCoder: install is easy
09:01 PM Laminae: Well, i have everything wired up on my lab power supply right next to my regular comp and the ones in question
09:01 PM Laminae: So at least convenience is high
09:01 PM pfred1: what kind of PC do you have?
09:02 PM pfred1: the wrong answer is laptop
09:02 PM Laminae: https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Celeron-Barebone-Components-GB-BXBT-1900/dp/B00VBNSO8U
09:02 PM Laminae: That was recommended on the linux cnc forums for ethernet
09:02 PM pfred1: hmm hmm
09:02 PM XXCoder: pretty cheao
09:03 PM Laminae: Yeah, and small
09:03 PM pfred1: you should see what olf Atom POS units are going for on aliexpress
09:03 PM Laminae: Checked all the right boxes for me
09:03 PM pfred1: I'm tempted to get one
09:03 PM Laminae: It was like 80 bucks on newegg when i bought it
09:03 PM Laminae: Definitely check newegg first
09:03 PM pfred1: used Atoms are like $23
09:03 PM Laminae: Wow
09:03 PM Laminae: That is cheap
09:03 PM pfred1: yeah
09:04 PM pfred1: its sick
09:04 PM Laminae: Good i/o?
09:04 PM pfred1: atoms are amazing for LinuxCNC
09:04 PM XXCoder: good latency?
09:04 PM pfred1: only thing better is some xeons
09:04 PM pfred1: but overall you're better off with an Atom
09:04 PM pfred1: at some point lower latency isn't doing you any good
09:05 PM pfred1: once you get down to about 5000ns it's all good
09:05 PM pfred1: I think I run 13000ns?
09:05 PM pfred1: it's 13 or 15 I can't remember
09:05 PM Laminae: Fair enough
09:06 PM pfred1: and even that's good enough for 8th step software stepping
09:06 PM Laminae: My machine is pretty low end by the standards of most other users here and it will be worlds different than the gbrl i was using
09:06 PM pfred1: oh yeah?
09:06 PM Laminae: Just a modified openbuilds system
09:07 PM pfred1: I have the cheesiest CNC machine
09:07 PM pfred1: it cost about $300
09:07 PM Laminae: Oh? do tell
09:07 PM pfred1: http://i.imgur.com/KXrsIpm.jpg
09:08 PM pfred1: only the best in drawer slide technology
09:08 PM XXCoder: high end
09:08 PM pfred1: which I got at a yard sale $5 for two pair
09:08 PM pfred1: they're Accurides!
09:08 PM XXCoder: mines cheap chineseium alum 3040 router lol
09:08 PM pfred1: there's some aluminum in my machine
09:09 PM pfred1: the motor mount is made out of a Razor scooter I found at the dumps
09:09 PM pfred1: it works good
09:10 PM pfred1: I was going to melt it down
09:10 PM Laminae: Now that's diy
09:11 PM XXCoder: around level of afrotech
09:11 PM pfred1: this was it https://www.razor.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Spark_RD_Product-1.png
09:11 PM XXCoder: he made a cnc router from abostute crap
09:11 PM pfred1: if you flip that over you'll see the profile i used for the spindle mount
09:12 PM pfred1: yeah there's stuff in my CNC machine I literally found on the side of the road
09:12 PM hazzy-lab: pfred1: The `CfgDoubleSpinBox` widgets in config.py takes an optional precision parameter, by default it is two dec plcs, so I just added `precision=4`
09:13 PM pfred1: hazzy-lab son of a bitch
09:13 PM pfred1: how come it used to work?
09:13 PM hazzy-lab: it's easy peasy
09:13 PM pfred1: my old copy I had no problem
09:13 PM hazzy-lab: don't know
09:13 PM pfred1: but I tried running an older copy and it still didn't work
09:13 PM hazzy-lab: Maybe they changed something in the way the config window was generated
09:14 PM hazzy-lab: strange
09:14 PM pfred1: hmmm
09:14 PM pfred1: I spent weeks trying to get it to work
09:14 PM pfred1: well I have to get it working here
09:15 PM hazzy-lab: I can change the global precision as well, which will effect all the spin boxes
09:15 PM pfred1: I tried to do that
09:15 PM pfred1: it had no effect
09:15 PM hazzy-lab: Want me to push my changes to github?
09:15 PM pfred1: nah
09:15 PM hazzy-lab: ok
09:15 PM pfred1: I'll just try to do it here
09:16 PM pfred1: I think everyone uses metric today
09:16 PM pfred1: which is why no one cares
09:16 PM hazzy-lab: I guess so, but still a lot of us die-hard imperial folks out there
09:17 PM pfred1: I use customary units
09:17 PM pfred1: we left the empire
09:17 PM hazzy-lab: hehe, true!
09:18 PM pfred1: for some strange reason we kept their names though
09:18 PM pfred1: but our measures are not exactly imperial
09:18 PM hazzy-lab: I like going into a hardware store and asking for USS bolts, most of the time I get a blank stare :D
09:18 PM pfred1: like their pint is way bigger than ours is
09:18 PM pfred1: SAE UNC or UNF
09:19 PM pfred1: Unified National thread
09:19 PM hazzy-lab: nah, its just USS and SAE :D
09:20 PM pfred1: USS sounds like a ship
09:20 PM hazzy-lab: it does, lol
09:20 PM pfred1: I still have to get a metric tap and die set someday
09:20 PM pfred1: I have some odd sizes but no good set
09:21 PM pfred1: I got loads of standard thread tooling though
09:21 PM hazzy-lab: same here, I just get the metric sizes as I need them
09:23 PM pfred1: metric is OK but I use decimal inches so the whole base ten argument is moot as far as I'm concerned
09:24 PM pfred1: and the conversion stuff in metric isn't anything I'm interested in
09:25 PM pfred1: on the rare occasions where I need to know volume I'll do the calculations
09:25 PM hazzy-lab: I have never understood the metric system, inch base 10 is just as good and we use round numbers, like .5" bar, in the metric system everything is like 17.5mm WTH, how is that better?
09:26 PM pfred1: looking at a metric ruler makes my eyes go buggy
09:26 PM pfred1: give me a good old sixteenths scale
09:27 PM pfred1: ever seen a ruler graduated in half millimeters?
09:27 PM hazzy-lab: I thought it was very interesting in school, almost everything we did was in the customary units, and I studied mechanical and nuclear engineering which you would thing would be mostly metric
09:27 PM pfred1: that'll bring a tear to your eye
09:27 PM hazzy-lab: hehe, that would be terrible!
09:28 PM hazzy-lab: 128" is ok though :D
09:29 PM pfred1: I've talked to some Europeans that say they use customary in construction
09:29 PM hazzy-lab: working in slugs/s flow rates is not all that bad
09:30 PM hazzy-lab: interesting, well they did not switch over that long ago
09:30 PM pfred1: inches and feet build well
09:30 PM hazzy-lab: yes, inches and feet are a very "human" scale
09:31 PM pfred1: that's it
09:31 PM pfred1: when someone says they're 173 cm that doesn't give me any idea how tall they are
09:31 PM pfred1: if they say they're 6 feet OK
09:32 PM hazzy-lab: right, it is too big of a number to be easily comprehended
09:32 PM pfred1: or 6'6"
09:32 PM pfred1: then i know they're a giant
09:33 PM hazzy-lab: or if you they are 5'6" you know they are a dwarf like me :)
09:33 PM pfred1: I worked one job where that would have been an advantage
09:33 PM pfred1: tall people had it rough there
09:34 PM pfred1: we built this lab and there were interstitial floors between the floors with all of the mechanical in them and the ceiling was low
09:34 PM pfred1: tall guys there all had the same expression on their face and it wasn't happy
09:35 PM hazzy-lab: I have a friend who worked at power plants, and got stuck in one of the steam line while doing an inspection, they had to blow him out. He is very envious of me!
09:36 PM hazzy-lab: haha, that does not sound fun
09:39 PM pfred1: so when I change this CfgDoubleSpinBox I'm going to have to recompile right?
09:39 PM pfred1: Binary file postpro/postprocessorconfig.pyc matches
09:39 PM pfred1: I know jack squat about Python and I'd like to keep it that way
09:39 PM hazzy-lab: The py files will compile automagicaly
09:40 PM pfred1: wheneve I've had to deal with Python it has only been trouble
09:41 PM hazzy-lab: If you want to change the precision of individual spinboxes open globals/config.py, and for example, change line 498 to:
09:41 PM hazzy-lab: ('axis1_start_end', CfgDoubleSpinBox(self.tr("First axis:"), coordinate_unit, precision=4)),
09:42 PM pfred1: there was this other thing I read about that was supposed to change all of the precisions but when I tried it it didn't work
09:43 PM hazzy-lab: to change them globally, in gui/configwindow.py change line 987 to:
09:43 PM hazzy-lab: def __init__(self, text, unit = None, minimum = None, maximum = None, precision = 4, parent = None):
09:44 PM pfred1: postpro_config.cfg
09:44 PM pfred1: pre_decimals = 5
09:44 PM pfred1: editing that did nothing for me
09:45 PM hazzy-lab: That is just for the dec plcs in the generated gcode, I think
09:45 PM pfred1: yeah
09:45 PM pfred1: I think it's crazy they went with two decimal places
09:46 PM XXCoder: interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGBPn9arfVo
09:46 PM pfred1: but if you're using metric I guess that's enough?
09:46 PM XXCoder: e-meter bullshit stuff but very well engineered apparently
09:46 PM hazzy-lab: I don't think they chose that , I think that is the default for a QSpinnBox
09:46 PM hazzy-lab: and they did not bother to change it
09:46 PM pfred1: and no one thought to change it?
09:47 PM pfred1: it's been that way for who knows how long
09:47 PM hazzy-lab: I guess, they provided the method to change it, but it is not used
09:47 PM pfred1: I don't evne know why it used to work for me
09:47 PM pfred1: it wasn
09:47 PM hazzy-lab: It may be that the default number of places used by QSpinBox has changed ...
09:47 PM pfred1: it wasn't a problem until I upgraded my PC
09:48 PM pfred1: on my old system dxf2gcode worked fine
09:48 PM hazzy-lab: And probably upgraded from Qt4 to Qt5 ...
09:48 PM pfred1: but I tried using over versions of dxf2gcode and had the same problem
09:49 PM hazzy-lab: But I think it uses whatever version of Qt you have installed
09:49 PM pfred1: yeah
09:49 PM hazzy-lab: Ok, I have to run, hope you get it to work
09:49 PM hazzy-lab: bbl
09:50 PM pfred1: something is different in this install than the old one this is Stretch and my old system was Wheezy
09:50 PM pfred1: yeah thanks I'll get it going
10:10 PM norias: hello
10:16 PM Wolf__: morning
10:17 PM norias: morning
10:19 PM Wolf__: long day, https://i.imgur.com/P32UTAi.jpg ready to pick up all the junk I bid on from auction last week
10:19 PM norias: cool
10:20 PM Wolf__: and if anyone asks me to help them move, no problem, it unloads easy https://i.imgur.com/H48nAj9.jpg
10:20 PM norias: hahah
10:34 PM XXCoder: your truck looks bit strange
10:34 PM XXCoder: modified?
10:34 PM XXCoder: lol 10 second dump and leave
10:38 PM Wolf__: http://amplirollusa.com/applications/
10:38 PM Wolf__: its a hook truck
10:38 PM XXCoder: oh interesting
10:38 PM XXCoder: so you can completely remove box and use some other stuff like flatbed
10:38 PM Wolf__: so I can run whatever I put on a hook skid
10:38 PM Wolf__: makes the truck a swiss army knife
10:38 PM norias: I like it
10:39 PM XXCoder: pretty nice
10:39 PM Wolf__: box body looks odd because its a 8’ tall box + a extra 8” between the box and the truck frame
10:44 PM XXCoder: wow thats tall
10:45 PM XXCoder: is it even under 12' standard?
10:45 PM XXCoder: from ground
10:45 PM Wolf__: 11’5” tall, 13’ is standard max
10:50 PM hazzy-lab: Wolf__: Don't take it to the Vegas airport ... They have 9" max clearance and don't give ANY warning until you'd have to back up about 5000ft on the main road to take an alternate route. Man I was mad. I guess nobody drives trucks in Vegas???
10:50 PM Wolf__: I would set the box on the ground and drag it lol
10:50 PM XXCoder: hazzy crazy
10:50 PM hazzy-lab: Lol, you could do that!
10:51 PM hazzy-lab: Unfortunately I did not have a hook truck :(
10:52 PM Wolf__: take a running start and make it a open top
10:53 PM hazzy-lab: haha
10:54 PM roycroft: the trucker atlases don't show that?
10:55 PM roycroft: they're pretty complete - they show almost every single bridge or other overhead obstruction with its exact height
10:55 PM XXCoder: I remember that video of bridge thats 11' 11"
10:55 PM XXCoder: or around that anyway
10:55 PM XXCoder: so many buses and trucks get ruined
10:56 PM XXCoder: theres HUGE signs and they had to install big steel protective strip, and replace it again
10:56 PM roycroft: are you talking about the skagit river bridge?
10:56 PM XXCoder: ah yes 11' 8" my mistake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USu8vT_tfdw
10:56 PM norias: the smart thing would be to hang a bar from wires across the road
10:56 PM norias: at the same height, but 20 feet back
10:56 PM norias: so the bar smacks the trucks and gets their attention
10:57 PM hazzy-lab: roycroft: I was in the Sprinter, you'd think that would be OK to take to the airport ...But it is 110" tall, which is over 9'
10:57 PM XXCoder: its right after crossing so dunno
10:57 PM roycroft: that would be pretty expensive, morias
10:57 PM norias: it's a bar of steel and some wire
10:57 PM norias: cheaper than fixing a bridge every so often
10:57 PM XXCoder: at after few accients you can see the new steel bar
10:57 PM roycroft: the person who breaks the bridge pays to fix it
10:58 PM XXCoder: and later same bar is dented
10:58 PM XXCoder: and even layer new signs and steel bar
10:58 PM XXCoder: later
11:00 PM XXCoder: heh the second one is far more powerful, you can see supporting beams
11:01 PM XXCoder: so many penski trucks.
11:03 PM XXCoder: weird one is RV one. guy drove very slowly, scraping everything off roof, and didnt stop and kept going
11:04 PM XXCoder: 2 flashing big sign yet hundreds jeez
11:20 PM hazzy-lab: I like the guy who goes the wrong way up the one way street, then turns around and hits the bridge xD
11:20 PM XXCoder: indeed