Jul 21 2018
01:42 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:48 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:50 AM IchGucksLive: off 2 garden
02:26 AM Deejay: moin
05:50 AM jthornton: morning
05:51 AM Deejay: hey
06:46 AM Tom_L: morning
06:47 AM Loetmichel: g'day
07:27 AM ecstasy: can a machine be setup with just 3 limit switches?
07:27 AM jthornton: sure
07:30 AM ecstasy: so would they just be used for finding home? and then careful software/gcode will make sure it doesnt reach the far limits?
07:31 AM jthornton: no, you can share one switch for both limit and home but if you home and set the limits correctly you should never hit a limit switch
08:55 AM Tom_L: 76°F Hi 96 in doo dah today
09:37 AM jthornton: not so hot today here
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: ecstasy, infact most mashines only got 3 switches
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: hi MatrixTravelerb4
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: thunderstorms nearly all day long
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: lots of water
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: but a record breking summer on the way
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: Germany will be slamt by near 40deg C next week
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: cradek, are you on
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: jthornton, maybe you
11:42 AM roycroft: we'll be back in the 30s next week
11:43 AM roycroft: no prospect of reaching 40 though
11:43 AM roycroft: that's pretty darn hot
11:43 AM roycroft: if we get 40 degree weather it will probably be in mid-august
11:43 AM roycroft: when i'm on holidays in the coast :)
11:43 AM roycroft: on the coast, rather
11:44 AM roycroft: that happened last year - when i was on the coast camping it was 39 inland and 16 on the coast
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: like kuwait or dubai
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: if you see the water/ocean its nice but if you see only sand aroiund it is like a pizza in a oven
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: ok i got what i need
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: "#5410" now holding the tool diameter
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: (DEBUG, diameter = #5410)
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: "#<_endmill_dia> is this now a system paramerter
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: lets check
11:52 AM IchGucksLive: no it is still "#5410 only that holds the loaded
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: this shoudt be changed for better reading of a parameter programm
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: ok i can do "#<_endmill_dia> = #5410
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: then oi got my own system parameter
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: but loaded tooldiametrer is esential
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: only 5 hits of the Youtube channel today
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: hi chupacabra
12:19 PM Roguish: Ich: what's your YouTube channel ???
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ/videos
12:22 PM Roguish: thought so, thanks.
12:22 PM Roguish: already subscribed.
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: arduinocnc claims all spectators as it is cheep and usb
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: also estlcam gets lot of atraction to modify the parport to newer operationsystems
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: we are 'old' dieing conventional peoplple
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: people
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: im off thunder claims lots of noice and need to close down
01:33 PM andypugh: pcw_home: pcw_mesa this is rene on andys irc, asking for a special bitfile for a 5i25 for sven
01:33 PM andypugh: benezan+7i77
01:34 PM andypugh: should be similar to the r990 pinout, but I have seen benezan bitfiles before
01:35 PM andypugh: (In case you are wondering, we are all at the LinuxCNC meetup at Stuttgart)
01:47 PM pcw_home: I think there a Benezan pinout file somewhere so I could copy-paste one together in a bit
01:49 PM pcw_home: 7I77 on P3?
01:51 PM R2E4: afternoon, morning, evening a....
01:51 PM R2E4: a
01:56 PM andypugh: pcw_mesa: Benazen on P2 I think, we have the 7i77 now but wonâ€™t have the Benazen until tomorrow
01:57 PM R2E4: I changed computers and 5i25 two leds still on. I put 5i25 in a known good box running linuxcnc with 5i25 and it works....
01:58 PM R2E4: What is with these pc's that wont work with 5i25 card.... pci config?
02:01 PM pcw_home: both LEDS on means no release from reset = low 3.3V
02:04 PM andypugh: 7i77 on p3
02:07 PM R2E4: thats 2 boxes that do that.... I just got a dell and it works..... bizarre
02:17 PM R2E4: An I5 doesnt work. I have a dell I3 and it works fine...... Is it the Power supplies? Maybe if I change power supplies.
02:39 PM R2E4: the computer PS is 3.3volts... So is it not that? Is there something else it can be?
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: R2E4: did you swap a known good 5i25 into the "bad" motherboards?
02:40 PM R2E4: yes, does the same thing. I just put the 5i25 in an i3 and it works. Just trying to figure out what the problem is.
02:40 PM R2E4: I have three 5i25 and all three does same thing. They all three work in a known good one also.
02:41 PM R2E4: CaptHindsight: pcw said it is low 3.3v, but I checked with meter and it shows 3.3-3.4
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: I'd check it with a scope from power-up
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: buy yeah I'd try swapping power supplies as well
02:42 PM pcw_home: Yeah most like PS related
02:43 PM pcw_home: if you power op the PC while watching the LEDs, do they blink at all?
02:44 PM pcw_home: if they never blink it means the PS didn't get above ~3.1 V
02:46 PM R2E4: They never blinked. Just came on red solid from the start
02:47 PM R2E4: thats bizare because I measured 3.3 volts
02:47 PM R2E4: I'll try swapping power supplies. If not, that will become a network client.
02:48 PM pcw_home: decent voltmeter?
02:50 PM pcw_home: That is that part of the FPGA card is all hardware = reset chip with ~3.1 v rising threshold --> FPGA reset pin
02:56 PM R2E4: fluke 75
02:57 PM R2E4: I'll use it for network computer. Using the I3 Dell that works great.
02:58 PM R2E4: tested with the 7i76 and it is seeing inputs and everything seems to work with the Dell.
03:01 PM pcw_home: did you measure at the 5I25 card?
03:01 PM pcw_home: maybe bad ripple
03:02 PM R2E4: no, measured it at the ps connector
03:02 PM pcw_home: fairly unsafe to measure at 5I25 (easy to short...)
03:03 PM R2E4: yeah, not going there. Im ok, I have a box that will work.
03:51 PM pcw_home: andypugh: http://freeby.mesanet.com/5i25_7i77_benezanD.bit
03:57 PM andypugh: Thanks PCW :-)
04:02 PM pcw_home: untested...
04:49 PM Deejay: gn8
07:54 PM robotustra: hi
07:54 PM robotustra: who can tell me what mesa board to use for my lathe?
07:54 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: ?
07:55 PM robotustra: there are many of them, but I can't understand the difference between them
07:55 PM XXCoder: jthornton is MESA seller he knows
07:55 PM XXCoder: but he seems to be out for now
07:56 PM robotustra: I was thinking about this one http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_84&product_id=215
07:56 PM robotustra: but there is plenty of them which looks like similar
07:56 PM robotustra: with no description
07:56 PM XXCoder: seems nice kit. I cant say if good or not, I use el cheapo BOB and 3 tb6600s lol
07:57 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: That 7i76 kit is great if you have a stepper machine
07:58 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: What kind of machine do you have?
07:59 PM robotustra: I would like to know thw difference between 7I76-5I25 and 7I78-5I25, because the first is 199$ and the second is 159$
08:00 PM robotustra: I have a cnc router, but I used like tb6500 board + mach3. Now I'm building new cnc lathe, the work is in progress
08:00 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: The 7i78 is only 4 axis (vs 6) and has fewer I/O
08:00 PM robotustra: hm..
08:02 PM robotustra: the router works fine, but it's on win7+mach3 and I want to remake it on linuxcnc+bob+tb6500
08:02 PM XXCoder: MESA replaces bob and tb6500
08:02 PM XXCoder: you wont need those with MESA
08:03 PM XXCoder: erm think so anyway. MESA can send stepper signals right hazzy-lab or am I misrememebring
08:03 PM hazzy-lab: XXCoder: Yes, you are correct
08:04 PM robotustra: I'm talking about 2 different cnc machines, 1) cnc router which is already working, and 2) cnclathe which is bilding. I'm planing to use mesa+servos on it
08:04 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: I would get the 7i76, it does not cost that much more than the 7i78 and you can do a lot more with it
08:05 PM hazzy-lab: Here is the manual for the 7i78: http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i78man.pdf
08:05 PM robotustra: ok thanks
08:05 PM robotustra: I'l have a look
08:09 PM robotustra: this is a current project https://imgur.com/9o1FHsR
08:10 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/73STFfW
08:11 PM robotustra: and some work is done https://imgur.com/AOtnxMw
08:13 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: Hey, that looks sweet!
08:14 PM hazzy-lab: certainly deserves a 7i76, or a 7i76e ...
08:14 PM hazzy-lab: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=290
08:21 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, do you have manual for other boards like 7i76?
08:21 PM robotustra: and what is the difference between 7i76 and 7i76e?
08:22 PM Tom_L: i would guess e represents ethernet
08:22 PM hazzy-lab: The manuals are all on http://www.mesanet.com
08:23 PM robotustra: ok
08:23 PM hazzy-lab: yes, the 7i76e is an ethernet card, so does not need the 5i25 PCI card
08:24 PM hazzy-lab: The masa site is a pain to search, try this: http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/
08:24 PM robotustra: but with ethernet it's could have delays?
08:24 PM XXCoder: nice work so far
08:25 PM hazzy-lab: It uses real time ethernet, which is pretty good!
08:25 PM robotustra: 1 Gbit?
08:25 PM Tom_L: i doubt it but ethernet requires preempt-rt uspace
08:25 PM Tom_L: you don't need gbit
08:25 PM XXCoder: using ethernet standard wires and connectors but not standard ethernet protocol?
08:25 PM Tom_L: a simplified ethernet interface
08:26 PM robotustra: I think I'll go with ePCI
08:26 PM hazzy-lab: the ethernet cards are a pit more picky about latency, so as a new user I would recommend the tried and true 5i25/7i76 combo
08:26 PM XXCoder: one nice thing about ethernet is much longer range but usually useless for shop
08:26 PM Tom_L: i've got an ethernet card here and it seems to work just fine
08:26 PM Tom_L: just requires newer pc hardware because preempt-rt needs faster hardware
08:27 PM XXCoder: anyone know a way for me to find parts list for washer?
08:27 PM Tom_L: clothes washer?
08:27 PM Tom_L: yes
08:27 PM XXCoder: I got washer sm9711033a and need new agiligator ears
08:27 PM robotustra: the only advantage of ethernet is ability to swap PCs fast
08:28 PM Tom_L: xx hang on
08:28 PM XXCoder: no plm
08:28 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: If you have a large plant ethernet has its advantages, but for small shop stuff, not so much
08:29 PM XXCoder: yeah we use ethernet all over for program download and uploads
08:29 PM XXCoder: even old machines that expect tape machines lol
08:29 PM XXCoder: got some kind of fancy server that fakes tape machines
08:29 PM robotustra: I don't have any shop :( I do everything in an appartment
08:30 PM Tom_L: xx got 3-4 machines and not sure which one i bookmarked it on :D
08:30 PM XXCoder: doh lol
08:30 PM Tom_L: i tried to keep them all in sync but nearly impossible
08:31 PM norias: robotustra: i have no machines.
08:31 PM XXCoder: i got feeling that dog ears part is 80040 but cant find if for sure
08:31 PM hazzy-lab: XXCoder: We have a drip feeder for the BOSS10, it thinks its reading a paper tape, lol
08:31 PM XXCoder: lol
08:32 PM robotustra: I have already 2 cnc machines in the room and the 3rd is coming
08:32 PM norias: cool
08:32 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: That lathe is impressive for being done without a shop!
08:32 PM Tom_itx: XXCoder, what make and model?
08:32 PM Tom_itx: that number found no match
08:33 PM XXCoder: kenmore elite 9711033a 9711033a
08:33 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, I spent like 120+ hours or scraping the metal by hands
08:33 PM robotustra: of cause I use drill press and other tools
08:33 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: You are a better man than me!
08:34 PM XXCoder: Tom_itx: where is machine model found at? 9711033a was from inside lid print
08:34 PM Tom_itx: not finding it
08:34 PM Tom_itx: https://partsdr.com/model-number-search?query=9711033a
08:34 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, why do you think you are worser than me?
08:34 PM XXCoder: in rear I could find 3337?72
08:34 PM XXCoder: ? is unreadable
08:35 PM justan0theruser is now known as justanotheruser
08:35 PM Tom_L: they usually have anything i'm after
08:35 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: Because I would have not had the patience to do what you have done
08:36 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: Is that fame entirely bolted together? I don't see any welds
08:36 PM robotustra: yes
08:36 PM hazzy-lab: nice
08:36 PM robotustra: 4 bolts for a crossection
08:36 PM hazzy-lab: You do very neat work
08:36 PM robotustra: 36 bolts M6
08:36 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: the agitator kit part # is 8055142 for sure
08:37 PM XXCoder: https://partsdr.com/part/285825-agitator-repair-kit but problem is it dont say what ears number is
08:37 PM Tom_itx: https://partsdr.com/part/285825-agitator-repair-kit
08:37 PM Tom_L: may not come separate
08:37 PM robotustra: I did my cnc router not so accurate, but I had spent about 4 months of making hardware
08:38 PM robotustra: that's why I think 6-12 months is ok for build
08:38 PM `Wolf: that build looks sorta like Tabletop Machine Shopâ€™s build
08:38 PM Tom_L: XXCoder find the model number
08:38 PM Tom_L: should be on a plate somewhere
08:39 PM XXCoder: looking again be back
08:39 PM XXCoder: youre a huge help so far
08:39 PM robotustra: it is. I'm trying to fit withing 90 x 50 x 60 cm box
08:39 PM `Wolf: nice =)
08:39 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, they will have your part
08:40 PM `Wolf: I was thinking about scraping my X2 cnc buildâ€¦ that has changed
08:41 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, looks like most of the washer numbers start with 110xxxxxxx
08:41 PM robotustra: I did like this 6 month on weekends :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK41JaYgyDM
08:42 PM `Wolf: I just bought a surface grinder, should do the X2 pretty quick
08:42 PM robotustra: do you have a surface plate?
08:42 PM `Wolf: least after I move it and figure out how to use it
08:43 PM `Wolf: yeah I have a couple surface plates
08:43 PM robotustra: good
08:43 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: dang! hard to find. found a labe, one of em is model # and another serial. looking now
08:44 PM XXCoder: 11024962301
08:44 PM Tom_L: they should have the manual too
08:44 PM XXCoder: 80040 fits!
08:44 PM XXCoder: man youre a lifesaver. thanks!
08:44 PM Tom_itx: https://partsdr.com/appliance-parts/11024962301-kenmore-residential-washer
08:45 PM `Wolf: auto collimator is also on my shopping list right now
08:45 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: Nice scraping!
08:46 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, thanks
08:46 PM `Wolf: I still want to learn how to hand scrape
08:46 PM robotustra: I did also some scraping with grinder
08:47 PM XXCoder: robot did you talk in video?
08:47 PM robotustra: wolf, it's not dificult really watch some youtube
08:47 PM robotustra: XXCoder, no
08:47 PM `Wolf: Iâ€™ve watched about all of them I could find lol
08:47 PM XXCoder: oh no wonder no autocaptions
08:47 PM robotustra: I have no idea what to talk about. Evetything is evident :)
08:48 PM XXCoder: if you do make em, I suggest think about captioning videos. honestly youtube autocaption is pretty good so basically let it caption, download file and do a quick edit.
08:48 PM XXCoder: not worried about exact word for word, just what you meant
08:48 PM Tom_itx: talk about rush hour traffic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL0wl2pg9aI
08:49 PM hazzy-lab: XXCoder: I forgot you are deaf
08:49 PM XXCoder: yeah its pretty not ovious in irc :)
08:49 PM XXCoder: Tom thats insane
08:49 PM XXCoder: also, vertical video yeck
08:50 PM hazzy-lab: My mother is legally blind and deaf, it takes some people a while to even notice in person :)
08:50 PM XXCoder: it annoys me when person expects diability to be somehow visiable.
08:50 PM XXCoder: friend of mine has MS, he looks fine but its not fun
08:51 PM hazzy-lab: right
08:51 PM robotustra: XXCoder, is to be vegan a disability?
08:51 PM XXCoder: nah
08:51 PM hazzy-lab: LOL
08:51 PM XXCoder: unless its forced upon you by some kind of health problem
08:51 PM robotustra: they always try to be visible :)
08:52 PM `Wolf: haha
08:52 PM hazzy-lab: that is pretty good!
08:52 PM hazzy-lab: xD
08:52 PM XXCoder: met some very miliant vegans but they are very rare
08:52 PM XXCoder: most dont care what you eat
08:52 PM `Wolf: need to cook them longer then
08:53 PM robotustra: ok, back to mesa, do I really need 6 stepper motor outputs on the lathe
08:53 PM robotustra: it's a question to myself :)
08:53 PM `Wolf: no, well maybe
08:53 PM hazzy-lab: No, unless you add a toolchanger ...
08:53 PM XXCoder: well hmm... Z of course, X and y maybe. so thats 3. toolchanger could be done yeah so thats 4
08:53 PM robotustra: 2 is for sure, 1 is for toolchanger, +1 is for possible Y axis
08:54 PM robotustra: and may be indexer
08:54 PM XXCoder: you could do seperate tool assembly that moves in and out
08:54 PM robotustra: so it's 5
08:54 PM XXCoder: if youre good, you could make another axis to move stock in and out
08:54 PM hazzy-lab: And an auto tailstock, so 6 :)
08:54 PM jdh: 3 for the live tooling
08:54 PM robotustra: no, not for this device
08:54 PM `Wolf: that would be bar puller on a slant bed
08:55 PM robotustra: no tailstock on this device
08:55 PM XXCoder: man ability to move stock in and out makes for huge difference
08:55 PM XXCoder: some parts at work we make 1000 of
08:55 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: I was trying to give you an excuse for the 7i76 ...
08:55 PM XXCoder: thankfully im not lathe guy so i dont make that nightmare part
08:56 PM XXCoder: same time I sometimes run fiberglass hell part
08:56 PM Tom_L: yeah when i was running a multi spindle lathe row we ran probably 5600 / shift
08:56 PM `Wolf: bar feeder isnâ€™t really needed, you can do some tricks to feed w/ the turrent
08:56 PM Tom_L: on some parts
08:56 PM Tom_L: would chew up 6 bars an hour or so
08:57 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, anyway if I'll build more machines in the future and this one will have only 4 motors - I'll be able to swap mesa boards
08:57 PM XXCoder: is this trustworthy lol https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Pcs-White-Washer-Agitator-Dogs-80040-PS388034-AP3119063-For-Washing-Machine/192295530712
08:57 PM robotustra: so, may be 7i76 is ok to buy
08:57 PM Tom_L: it's a printed part
08:57 PM Tom_L: part dr ships oem i think
08:58 PM `Wolf: XXCoder: do you really want to wait till end of sept for the parts lol
08:58 PM norias: `Wolf: true, the little fingers
08:58 PM norias: i've seen a couple different designs of those
08:58 PM XXCoder: lol thats true wold
08:59 PM `Wolf: Ive seen people use parting tool to pull the bars as well
08:59 PM norias: `Wolf: i feel like that would give you trouble with a repeatable position
08:59 PM `Wolf: kinda depends on how long and dia tho
08:59 PM XXCoder: ya one of machines at work uses tiny claw tyhingy to pull bar
09:00 PM XXCoder: norias: not if its just to pull stock for new part.
09:00 PM XXCoder: no position changes while running a part
09:00 PM norias: XXCoder: fair
09:00 PM `Wolf: if you use the parting tool as a bar puller it can leave a nub
09:01 PM `Wolf: just need to make a desk top lathe with dual spindles :D
09:01 PM XXCoder: work got a new lathe half year ago. uts insane machine. got what 30 lathe tools?
09:01 PM XXCoder: uses swiss oil. no coolant white crap stuff there
09:02 PM norias: huh
09:02 PM XXCoder: it also can transfer part and seperately work on B while running A at same time
09:02 PM `Wolf: speaking of lathes, I need to go drill a couple of holes in mine
09:02 PM XXCoder: like I said, insane lol
09:03 PM Tom_L: but does anybody there know how to program it to utilize it?
09:03 PM XXCoder: no idea, thry made a part with it though, used all its ability
09:04 PM norias: Tom_L: i did that for a little while
09:04 PM norias: i had to use spreadsheets to keep track of everything
09:04 PM robotustra: is it possible to drive VFD with mesa board?
09:05 PM Tom_L: norias, i bet
09:05 PM Tom_L: robotustra, yes
09:05 PM norias: it was like a poor man's swiss
09:05 PM Tom_L: modbus
09:05 PM robotustra: Tom_L, did you try it?
09:05 PM norias: it had multiple slides that could engage the A spindle
09:05 PM Tom_L: no but andy has
09:05 PM Tom_L: and i'm considering it
09:05 PM norias: plus a toolpost
09:06 PM norias: and could do both spindles at once
09:06 PM norias: took some thinking, sometimes
09:06 PM Tom_L: robotustra, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/hy_gt_vfd.1.html
09:06 PM norias: make sure things don't hit each other, etc
09:06 PM robotustra: I saw the video guy is doing control of chinise VFD by RS
09:06 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: masa is great at driving VFDs!
09:06 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/hy_vfd.1.html
09:08 PM hazzy-lab: robotustra: The mesa cards have a spindle encoder interface as well, for ridged taping, threading etc.
09:08 PM hazzy-lab: Mach3 just has the spindle index, but mesa supports full spindle encoder
09:08 PM Tom_L: i've done that
09:08 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, does linuxcnc have a rigid tapping commands?
09:08 PM hazzy-lab: Oh yes!
09:09 PM robotustra: hazzy-lab, what encoder is better to use with mesa?
09:09 PM robotustra: 1000pp? 2000pp?
09:09 PM robotustra: more?
09:09 PM robotustra: less?
09:10 PM robotustra: ABZ?
09:10 PM hazzy-lab: Any encoder should work, yes ABZ
09:10 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g99lUtjLfMU
09:10 PM Tom_L: on the little sherline
09:10 PM * hazzy-lab goes afk
09:11 PM robotustra: Tom_L, is it your old mill?
09:11 PM Tom_L: yes
09:11 PM hazzy-dev: robotustra: You can home to index too!
09:11 PM robotustra: with counterweight :)
09:11 PM Tom_L: the motor was barely big enough but it worked
09:12 PM norias: oi
09:12 PM norias: ya'll should see the machines where i work
09:12 PM norias: i was doing some HP requirements analysis on some stuff
09:12 PM Tom_L: i've run a few big ones
09:12 PM norias: just to see if we could hit the feeds and speeds being requested
09:12 PM norias: one lathe is a maybe
09:13 PM norias: no, one is a definite no
09:13 PM norias: it's only 95HP
09:13 PM norias: two are maybe's at 150HP
09:13 PM norias: and I feel pretty confident on the 250HP
09:14 PM * `Wolf looks at his massive 1hp lathe and feels under powered...
09:14 PM robotustra: I would like to have clever machines than powerful
09:14 PM norias: robotustra: depends on what you are doing
09:14 PM norias: sometimes brute force is required
09:15 PM robotustra: I use 1.5 kW chinisium spindles :)
09:15 PM `Wolf: like when you measure bar stock in feet/meters? lol
09:15 PM `Wolf: diameter
09:15 PM norias: when your parts are measured in tons
09:15 PM norias: and are around 50-62 hrC
09:16 PM robotustra: big plants
09:16 PM norias: fun stuff
09:20 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: bought some dogs, thanks man
09:20 PM Tom_L: np
09:20 PM XXCoder: theyre at flornia so should take few days for yapping things to arrive
09:22 PM `Wolf: I hate working on washers and dryers
09:23 PM robotustra: I hate working
09:23 PM `Wolf: lol
09:23 PM robotustra: in general
09:23 PM robotustra: but like to work on my own projects :)
09:24 PM `Wolf: yup, probably why one of my projects is a remote control lawn mower lol
09:29 PM robotustra: hmm, tomorrow have to make a desigion about what mesa to order
09:30 PM Tom_L: simple
09:30 PM Tom_L: one of each
09:30 PM Tom_L: and two of some
09:30 PM robotustra: no, too expensive
09:31 PM `Wolf: hmm I just had a thought about my cnc plasma build, if I use the servos I have then I donâ€™t need to have a PSU like the steppers would needâ€¦
09:32 PM XXCoder: lol
09:32 PM XXCoder: I wish i dont have to work
09:32 PM XXCoder: not nessicarly hate, just wish dont have to
09:33 PM robotustra: I wish I can work on my own projects and get paid for it :)
09:34 PM robotustra: if these project could be useful for others
09:34 PM XXCoder: yeah
09:34 PM `Wolf: video everything, youtube it, make next to nothing from youtube ads
09:35 PM robotustra: no, I would like to produce products, but not shows
09:36 PM robotustra: I consider youtube only from educational point of view
09:36 PM robotustra: if I'll have something to show ppl to educate them - then I'll film it
09:36 PM `Wolf: build home hobbyist sized cnc machines
09:37 PM Tom_L: like ich
09:37 PM robotustra: I had such idea, but I need to have some shop for it
09:37 PM robotustra: and the stuff could be more expensive than chinisium machines
09:37 PM Sairon: `Wolf: aren't there already a lot of those of there?
09:38 PM `Wolf: ? which where
09:38 PM Tom_L: not good ones
09:38 PM robotustra: what about "NO"?
09:38 PM Tom_L: most are routers
09:38 PM * Sairon shrugs. I'm asking.
09:38 PM robotustra: I didn't find ANY good table lathe
09:38 PM Sairon: huh
09:38 PM robotustra: that's why I started to build mine
09:38 PM Sairon: I'd love to do that, I just didn't think there was a market for it.
09:39 PM Tom_L: most of em are all that extruded aluminum stuff
09:39 PM robotustra: yes
09:39 PM Tom_L: i didn't want that
09:39 PM `Wolf: only a couple of turn key small hobby sized mills I know of
09:39 PM `Wolf: no lathes that I know of
09:39 PM robotustra: or not cnc and you spend 2x times to convert it to cnc
09:40 PM robotustra: 2 times more money
09:40 PM Sairon: how good do they need to be?
09:40 PM Sairon: i thought littlemachineshop.com had all this stuff
09:40 PM robotustra: Sairon, do you need to know what specs I want?
09:40 PM `Wolf: not talking 12x37 either, 9x16 lathe cnc ready just add control lcnc/mach whatever
09:40 PM Sairon: robotustra: sure. I'm curious
09:41 PM robotustra: 1) size 90x60x60 cm (3'x2'x2')
09:41 PM `Wolf: only option for cnc lathe they have https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=5045&category=1269284447
09:41 PM Sairon: (that's so small!)
09:41 PM robotustra: 2) 40 mm through hole chuck and spindle
09:42 PM robotustra: yeah I want a table cnc lathe
09:42 PM Sairon: `Wolf: what's wrong with that?
09:42 PM `Wolf: $12k
09:42 PM Sairon: hmm
09:42 PM Sairon: i think it's hard to go less than that
09:42 PM `Wolf: and kinda big vs like 7x12 lathe
09:42 PM Sairon: and have a decent machine
09:42 PM Sairon: the cost doesn't scale linearly
09:43 PM `Wolf: only cnc mills on LMS are tormach
09:43 PM robotustra: 3) to be able lathe to do milling works with additional Y-axis extention
09:44 PM Sairon: robotustra: you mean live tooling?
09:44 PM robotustra: 4) to be able to do grinding works
09:45 PM robotustra: what is live tooling?
09:45 PM Sairon: milling operations in a lathe
09:45 PM robotustra: lathe has X-Z axii, I would like to do an extra Y axis to be able to mill stuff
09:46 PM robotustra: like on ordinary mill
09:46 PM `Wolf: live tooling = powered in the turret, like drills and whatnot
09:47 PM robotustra: I'm planning to have a toolchanger too
09:47 PM Sairon: robotustra: budget?
09:47 PM robotustra: 3000-4000
09:47 PM robotustra: I'm approaching 3000 already
09:48 PM robotustra: but it will be composit lathe-mill-grinding machine
09:48 PM robotustra: where you can buy it for 3000?
09:48 PM robotustra: nowhare
09:48 PM robotustra: nowhere
09:48 PM `Wolf: Iâ€™m curious how you are going to pull off grinding in there
09:50 PM Sairon: how rigid do we need these machines to be?
09:50 PM Sairon: bolt-together steel frame?
09:50 PM Sairon: meehanite castings?
09:51 PM robotustra: I'll be happy to have 0.05mm precision for small parts
09:51 PM Sairon: robotustra: that might actually be tough
09:51 PM Sairon: depending on your tooling, etc
09:51 PM robotustra: yeah I know and how hard I push
09:52 PM robotustra: I'm not looking for microns
09:52 PM robotustra: I can lap parts if I want more precision
09:52 PM Tom_L: Sairon, i ended up building this one: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Column_Mill_VMC.jpg
09:53 PM Sairon: Tom_L: does it work pretty good?
09:53 PM Tom_L: yes
09:53 PM Tom_L: i need a better spindle
09:53 PM Sairon: cool
09:53 PM Sairon: there are aspects of your design i like
09:54 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/spindle_cooler/Mill1.jpg
09:54 PM Sairon: Maybe kits are the right idea
09:54 PM Sairon: instead of fully assembled machines
09:54 PM robotustra: Tom_L, are you looking for something like this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Drilling-Milling-Head-BT30-Spindle-Unit-7-24-Taper-3000rpm-5Barings-CNC-Machine/202199804774
09:54 PM XXCoder: kits can be good idea, depending on some factors
09:55 PM Tom_L: not many can pull off a kit and get it right
09:55 PM Sairon: poka-yoke
09:55 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: there should be "play around" kit, and more serious and heavier kits
09:55 PM Tom_L: robotustra i've seen those
09:55 PM XXCoder: "play around" should be pretty simple and max out on light alum
09:56 PM Sairon: i wonder if steel weldments are good enough for structural components
09:56 PM XXCoder: also, nice pic of machine! last I saw it didnt have some elecrics and no spindle
09:56 PM robotustra: I can get 0.02 mm precision on my aluminum router
09:56 PM robotustra: if I'll not push :)
09:56 PM robotustra: but it takes too much time
09:56 PM XXCoder: honestly for "play around" best kit would be cnc plotter. enough to learn how cnc works and all
09:57 PM XXCoder: and no "retire with less than 10 fingers" mistake is possible with one
09:57 PM robotustra: :)
09:58 PM robotustra: on this device you can make you new fingers
09:58 PM Sairon: https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jsmec/44/1/44_1_1/_pdf
10:00 PM robotustra: polymer concrete flows
10:00 PM robotustra: as any polymer
10:00 PM Sairon: yeah, it's interesting, too
10:00 PM Sairon: for vibration dampening
10:00 PM robotustra: stones are good but expensive
10:00 PM Sairon: Hardinge is injecting it in to CI frames
10:01 PM Sairon: for that reason
10:01 PM robotustra: may be I'll make one granite lathe with air bearing spindle in the future
10:01 PM Sairon: wait, that's expoxy concreate
10:02 PM Sairon: expensive stuff, though
10:02 PM Sairon: maybe not ideal for hobby machines
10:02 PM robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFrVdoOhu1Q
10:02 PM Sairon: unless you just use small amounts in the "right" places
10:02 PM robotustra: I would like to have something like this but I don't know for what :)
10:02 PM Sairon: maybe the right thing is "all of the above"
10:02 PM Sairon: some cast components
10:03 PM Sairon: some weldments with epoxy concrete
10:03 PM robotustra: Sairon, did you see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Cn0WRXPKs
10:03 PM `Wolf: hehe Gelbart lathe, no epoxy in that granite
10:03 PM Sairon: yeah, i think so
10:04 PM robotustra: for my projects I'll be happy with 0.05 mm
10:04 PM robotustra: it means 0.002"
10:04 PM Sairon: their process is too slow, for me
10:05 PM Sairon: that's why i'd only use the concrete in sections
10:05 PM Sairon: so you don't need a mold
10:05 PM Sairon: pour it and go
10:05 PM robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxqxlexybqE
10:05 PM robotustra: like this?
10:06 PM Sairon: sort of
10:06 PM `Wolf: someone should have gotten a concrete vibrator
10:07 PM robotustra: yeah, this guy probably neve did a concrete works before
10:07 PM Sairon: so a lathe is probably the best machine to start with, maybe?
10:07 PM robotustra: "just tap a little bit, dude!"
10:07 PM Sairon: even though it seems like most stuff requires a mill
10:08 PM Tom_L: you will likely do more with a mill
10:08 PM robotustra: Sairon, some parts requere a mill
10:08 PM Sairon: that's my thinking
10:08 PM robotustra: I can do a lathe without mill, but I'll use it to speed up
10:09 PM `Wolf: get lathe, make mill from all round stock
10:09 PM robotustra: I had built my cnc mill with drill peress, and files
10:09 PM robotustra: a lot of tapping
10:10 PM Sairon: wait, what about the taig lathes?
10:10 PM `Wolf: really depending on how much from scratch you are doing, you can get away with low amount of tools
10:11 PM `Wolf: taig is same as sherline Tom_L linked a while back (I think)
10:11 PM Sairon: ok
10:11 PM robotustra: are taig lathes cnc?
10:11 PM Sairon: so, not good?
10:11 PM `Wolf: I think they have a cnc kit
10:12 PM hazzy-dev: Re: Kits. People keep asking me to make RF45 conversion kits, but I can't possible sell them for enough to make it worth it
10:12 PM `Wolf: but they are so small you might as well have a open build rail router
10:12 PM robotustra: I need 40mm through hole in the chuk
10:12 PM Sairon: hazzy-dev: RF45?
10:12 PM robotustra: chuck
10:12 PM robotustra: so no
10:13 PM Sairon: oh, i found it
10:13 PM hazzy-dev: Sairon: It's a mid sized bench top bed mill
10:13 PM robotustra: hazzy-dev, do you do conversion kits?
10:13 PM Sairon: Wrong-Fu
10:13 PM hazzy-dev: robotustra: No, not unless I know the person
10:14 PM robotustra: ok
10:14 PM `Wolf: 40mm is a big thru spindle bore
10:15 PM robotustra: it is
10:15 PM `Wolf: my 12x37 is only 35mm
10:15 PM robotustra: yes
10:15 PM robotustra: I got 160 mm chuck
10:15 PM robotustra: with 40 mm ID
10:16 PM robotustra: all small table mills has 19-20 mm ID in spindle
10:16 PM robotustra: and 450-500W motor
10:16 PM robotustra: I think it's a joke
10:17 PM `Wolf: my X2 cnc build is r8 spindle with 750W BLDC motor
10:17 PM robotustra: I think the guys who do these meals laugh at hobbiests
10:18 PM robotustra: they just doing some strange machines which you even can't convert into cnc good way
10:18 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/0r177E3.jpg this jet mill is only 1hpâ€¦
10:19 PM robotustra: if you put stepper motors on such a machine the size of the mathine will become 2 times bigger
10:19 PM `Wolf: I donâ€™t really want to cnc it
10:19 PM robotustra: is it your shop?
10:20 PM `Wolf: yeah
10:20 PM `Wolf: the jet is half cnc now, put DRO on it lol
10:20 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/i28x6G6
10:20 PM `Wolf: just NC
10:20 PM robotustra: this is mine
10:21 PM robotustra: 12 m^2
10:21 PM `Wolf: =) can see why you want a small lathe
10:21 PM robotustra: oh no, 15 m^2
10:21 PM robotustra: yep
10:21 PM `Wolf: this is all temp space for my shop
10:21 PM robotustra: I like small mathines
10:22 PM robotustra: I like 1)small 2)precise 3) silent machines
10:23 PM robotustra: my cnc router works as quitely as a laser printer
10:23 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/M7hzWPk.jpg my X2 cnc build
10:24 PM `Wolf: some assembly required
10:24 PM robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwhQ6ab06e0
10:25 PM `Wolf: also stuffed https://i.imgur.com/ukSiCKE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/s9JRO8o.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Bfyg7gw.jpg
10:26 PM `Wolf: wow that is quiet
10:26 PM robotustra: it is
10:26 PM robotustra: I can mill like this for a whole day
10:26 PM `Wolf: my 3d printer makes more noise then that
10:27 PM robotustra: I have water cooled spindle, did an external cooling system recently
10:28 PM robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQI2dHTwZEA
10:29 PM `Wolf: pretty cool
10:30 PM Tom_L: mine is more ghetto
10:30 PM Tom_L: i used a bucket of ice
10:30 PM robotustra: did you make nut holders yourself?
10:30 PM `Wolf: yeah
10:30 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/n8R8lCu.jpg
10:31 PM robotustra: I used 4 L of water before, but I could mil like 2-3 hours before I get 45 degree
10:31 PM Tom_L: was it you that posted that little radiator?
10:31 PM `Wolf: turned down round stock, bored it then some milling work to it
10:32 PM `Wolf: that was me, small radiator 120mm for co2 laser
10:32 PM Tom_L: for like $17 ?
10:32 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:32 PM Tom_L: did you get one?
10:33 PM robotustra: I don't know
10:33 PM robotustra: I got this one on ebay
10:33 PM robotustra: like a kit for computer cooling
10:34 PM robotustra: now the spindle temperature gets up 10 degree celsius in 2 hours and stabilize
10:35 PM robotustra: I tested for 6 hours and it does not grow more than 10 degree
10:35 PM robotustra: from ambient temperature
10:35 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Computer-Radiator-Water-Cooling-Cooler-for-CPU-LED-Heatsink-90mm-Aluminum-KG/183120861122?epid=22005821353&hash=item2aa2da97c2%3Ag%3Ay7QAAOSw1utapPeY&_sacat=0&_nkw=small+PC+radiator&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0
10:35 PM Tom_L: that one may be a little smaller
10:36 PM robotustra: mine is about 6x6"
10:36 PM robotustra: 152x152 mm
10:36 PM `Wolf: sized for 120mm fan probably
10:37 PM XXCoder: just go to junkyard
10:37 PM XXCoder: buy a car radiator
10:37 PM Tom_L: heater core
10:37 PM XXCoder: sure if you wanna go small lol
10:38 PM robotustra: the bigger the cooler fan the silent it can be
10:38 PM robotustra: there are some queit 120 mm cooler funs
10:39 PM robotustra: `Wolf, what is this? cnc mill?
10:40 PM `Wolf: yeah, cnc mill from seig X2 parts
10:40 PM robotustra: or just ball threaded screws?
10:40 PM `Wolf: 10mm eBay ball screws for x/y, 20mm thk ball screw for Z
10:41 PM robotustra: I see some hard wood like oak?
10:42 PM `Wolf: oh yeah, that was just on the vise to keep stuff from getting banged up
10:43 PM robotustra: tomorrow I continue with motor holders
10:43 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/dLDacrP
10:43 PM robotustra: I use standard nut holders
10:44 PM `Wolf: no room for those on this build https://i.imgur.com/Mdtl5L6.jpg
10:44 PM robotustra: yeah I see
10:44 PM robotustra: they take a lot of space
10:44 PM robotustra: 40 mm
10:45 PM `Wolf: and I am stuffing auto oiler in this as well
10:45 PM robotustra: well... I'm not so pro :)
10:46 PM `Wolf: Iâ€™m lazy and know Iâ€™ll forget to oil it
10:46 PM robotustra: but I have to protect rails and screws from chips and dust as well
10:49 PM `Wolf: my first cnc build sieg X1 (Micro mill) https://i.imgur.com/6h18AtY.jpg I ordered the extended x/y table set for it, and before I got it installed it turned in to its own build
10:49 PM robotustra: how much was it?
10:50 PM robotustra: I got such servos for the lathe https://imgur.com/WdLhGz4
10:50 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/Eh6BMmG.jpg gives a idea of how small that sieg x1 is
10:51 PM Sairon: oi
10:51 PM Sairon: and it costs $1,000?
10:51 PM robotustra: it's just a drill press
10:51 PM robotustra: nice wooden table
10:52 PM `Wolf: lol might as well be a drill press
10:52 PM robotustra: 2 machines on 1 table
10:52 PM `Wolf: those two were used machines i picked up, the extended x/y was from littlemachineshop
10:53 PM `Wolf: i think it was $250 or so for it
10:53 PM robotustra: `Wolf, do you drive it with linuxcnc?
10:53 PM `Wolf: yeah, X1 is running lcnc
10:53 PM `Wolf: X2 and my cnc plasma will be as well
10:53 PM robotustra: is it rigid enough to mill steel?
10:54 PM `Wolf: X1 and rigid donâ€™t go in same sentence
10:55 PM `Wolf: usually do 0.127mm doc with it to keep it from flexing
10:55 PM robotustra: ok
10:55 PM robotustra: that's the stuff I started my mill from https://imgur.com/vXO0IWO
10:56 PM `Wolf: the x1 is a MT2 spindle, the column is maybe 80mm x 50mm
10:56 PM robotustra: not so much
10:57 PM robotustra: `Wolf, are you a machinist?
10:57 PM `Wolf: yeah, pure crap, peck drilling I can watch the head lift
10:57 PM `Wolf: I am now lol
10:58 PM `Wolf: welder/fabricator
10:58 PM robotustra: do you have own company or not?
10:58 PM `Wolf: yeah, do commercial truck bodies and the likes
10:59 PM robotustra: you have nice work shop
11:01 PM `Wolf: thanks, tho right now my Jet mill, lathe and x2 are all in my momâ€™s basement, I donâ€™t have any climate controlled work space at my house right now
11:01 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/h5owuJf.jpg this is the kinda stuff I do
11:02 PM robotustra: good stuff
11:03 PM Sairon: I am a machinist, btw
11:03 PM Sairon: if it makes a difference
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11:05 PM robotustra: Sairon, good to know if I'll have some questions about machining
11:05 PM Sairon: right on
11:05 PM robotustra: I'm just a raw embedded programmer
11:05 PM robotustra: / physicist
11:06 PM Sairon: neat
11:06 PM hazzy-lab: Sweet!
11:06 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/gzw7p90.jpg this is why I am building a cnc plasma
11:06 PM `Wolf: this is normal shop work
11:06 PM Sairon: GM?
11:07 PM * hazzy-lab says ford
11:07 PM robotustra: I did some home welding in the past, but not in canada
11:07 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/DgReOwR.jpg
11:07 PM Sairon: damn
11:07 PM `Wolf: customer truck we built
11:07 PM `Wolf: cut down a 30â€™ box truck
11:08 PM robotustra: you are doing auto unloaders?
11:08 PM `Wolf: yup, hook lift trucks
11:08 PM robotustra: ok
11:08 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/Ghi7gwX.jpg actually my personal truck lol
11:09 PM robotustra: a lot of metal works
11:09 PM robotustra: big and professional looking truck
11:10 PM `Wolf: yeah, I need to mount a 12 foot box body on a hook frame tomorrow so I can pick up my surface grinder lol
11:10 PM robotustra: big one?
11:11 PM `Wolf: https://imgur.com/a/vCNoXKa Reid 618HL
11:11 PM `Wolf: and all the other crap I bid on
11:11 PM Sairon: i miss surface grinding
11:11 PM Sairon: good times
11:12 PM `Wolf: I think medium sized only 1580lbs/717kg
11:12 PM * `Wolf has never used a surface grinder
11:12 PM `Wolf: should be good times as well lol
11:12 PM robotustra: that's why I was thinking to make small my own :)
11:12 PM robotustra: on the base of the lathe
11:14 PM robotustra: and got this 5x10" magnet chuck https://imgur.com/n8PSAkQ
11:14 PM `Wolf: doing thin work eh?
11:14 PM Sairon: one place i worked did some interesting stuff
11:14 PM Sairon: they made linear motion components
11:14 PM Sairon: really precise stuff, for low loads
11:15 PM Sairon: made from aluminum
11:15 PM robotustra: I'm usually doing small works,
11:15 PM Sairon: then hardcoat anodize
11:15 PM Sairon: and grind the anodize layer
11:15 PM `Wolf: hmm thats kinda neat
11:15 PM Sairon: yeah, that's what i thought
11:15 PM Sairon: they did that for airbearings and what not
11:15 PM robotustra: like this http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maholet/24765393/25392/25392_600.jpg
11:16 PM robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hld-6YdsHQY
11:16 PM `Wolf: UAV gimbal? or something else?
11:17 PM robotustra: it's robot's eye
11:17 PM robotustra: with some encoder inside
11:17 PM `Wolf: pretty cool
11:18 PM robotustra: so I'm milling small parts usually
11:18 PM `Wolf: I wish I knew more programming stuff, I canâ€™t code to save my life
11:19 PM robotustra: I think to move atoms is more useful than move bytes
11:19 PM Sairon: you mean gcode?
11:19 PM Sairon: or c / java type stuff?
11:20 PM `Wolf: c/java stuff
11:20 PM robotustra: c/c++
11:20 PM Sairon: right on
11:20 PM `Wolf: gcode I can understand mostly lol
11:20 PM robotustra: like I have to G28
11:21 PM Rab: http://www.jeffbots.com/shortcircuit6.jpg
11:21 PM `Wolf: except that I excel at typoing axis when using MDI lol
11:22 PM robotustra: Rab, yeah
11:23 PM robotustra: Johnny 5 is a good prototype
11:23 PM robotustra: ok guys, I go sleep. see you
11:24 PM `Wolf: man, Iâ€™m still pissed that I didnâ€™t win the magnetic sine plate lot from that auction
11:27 PM XXCoder: aw
11:30 PM `Wolf: would have been over $1000 on that one lot tho
11:32 PM `Wolf: still should have hit it one more time, I quit when the next bid would have been $975, it ended at $950
11:34 PM XXCoder: its hard to predict what would happen
11:34 PM XXCoder: maybe other guy would be happy it hit again
11:35 PM `Wolf: yeah, or they knew what the stuff was worth and put top at $1500-2000
11:36 PM `Wolf: I know that 2 of the mag sine in that lot go for $900+ (each) on eBay
11:37 PM `Wolf: I did pick up another empty cabinet and most of the contents of the cabinet I won after the auction closed out
11:38 PM `Wolf: I think I now have a life time (x2) supply of endmills lol
11:40 PM XXCoder: :)
11:40 PM XXCoder: bah the few tools I have is techinically lifetime
11:40 PM XXCoder: since my machine isnt running
11:40 PM `Wolf: need to fix that
11:42 PM `Wolf: https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/comly-auctioneers/catalogue-id-bscco10103/lot-89c5fc38-507e-46eb-81ab-a91801564909 and lot 154, 150
11:42 PM XXCoder: sadly no room. shop still dont exist
11:45 PM `Wolf: yeah, Iâ€™m still working out where the hell Iâ€™m going to put all this shit
11:47 PM Laminae: Hey guys, newb question, finally finishing the plung on swithcing to linux cnc and i'm not seeing a protected 24v rail on the 7i76e to wire my steppers to, is it really safe to wire them directly to the 24v psu? I expected there to be fuses or something >.>
11:47 PM Laminae: Side note if it matters, using gecko 251x drivers on nema 23s
11:49 PM XXCoder: hey
11:49 PM XXCoder: unfortunately dont know much about MESA
11:50 PM Laminae: No worries
11:50 PM Laminae: The documentation for io is not ideal
11:54 PM Laminae: Looks like straight to psu is the standard sop of what i can find on the interwebs
11:54 PM roycroft: a mesa employee and a mesa reseller are on this channel
11:55 PM roycroft: they are usually active during business hours in the us, especially on weekdays
11:56 PM Laminae: Thanks, i'm not in a huge hurry, just check back tomorrow
11:56 PM roycroft: so if you can be patient you can almost certainly get your questions answered