#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 13 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:03 AM `Wolf: morning
12:47 AM hazzy-lab: morning
12:47 AM hazzy-lab: gn8
01:10 AM miss0r: mornin'
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: mrning from germany
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: its getting a hot day
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: we got a forest fire tonight so im late on pention jobs
01:39 AM miss0r: scandinavia is no exception
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, polarcircle at 30deg
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: what a year
01:39 AM miss0r: In Denmark we are experiencing the greatest dryspell in recorded history
01:39 AM miss0r: yeah
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: so Banana plants next
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: i trhink for oranges it is to early LOL
01:40 AM miss0r: hehe, I should plant some palm trees. They would fit right in :D
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: there are winter hard ones
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: they can take -5deg
01:41 AM miss0r: hmm.. Not likely to survive winter here though.
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: we got one at the beatch bar lakesiide
01:41 AM miss0r: But if this pattern continues, I would not expect to ever see sub-zero temperatures again :D
01:41 AM miss0r: nice
01:42 AM miss0r: I'm running the shop AC at the moment, otherwise it is unbearable in here
01:43 AM miss0r: IchGucksLive: Did I share with you the video where I remove a hornets nest with a tire air cannon? :D
01:43 AM miss0r: (one of those ment for pushing the rubber onto the rim when first installing it)
01:43 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, the makerman from yesterday is 20km away from my location
01:44 AM miss0r: The one suspected of poor QC?
01:44 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, in germany you woudt be jailed 6month probition on that video public
01:45 AM IchGucksLive: he doesn not say what he expect to do
01:45 AM miss0r: realy? :S
01:45 AM IchGucksLive: and i guess its some bosch related thing
01:45 AM miss0r: Well, here is the link, should you feel like watching it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAmr15_hpNU
01:46 AM miss0r: Why is that illegal in Germany=
01:46 AM IchGucksLive: the servos(Hybrid) with the driver on top is crap
01:46 AM IchGucksLive: noone wants to run the signal over 7meters
01:47 AM miss0r: Sadly I didn't enter yesterdays discussion until late. When i got there, it was all about the quality expection of ballscrews
01:47 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, they are shilded by the GOV
01:48 AM miss0r: oh wow. Here you can have GOV aided removal of "unfortunatly placed nests"
01:48 AM IchGucksLive: C7 is around 0,05 per meter
01:48 AM IchGucksLive: while c% can get 0,2
01:48 AM IchGucksLive: C5
01:48 AM miss0r: yesterday we were talking about P7. which is something like 52um/300mm
01:49 AM IchGucksLive: i think the china messurment system is the clue to the Q
01:49 AM IchGucksLive: P is grinded while C is rolled only
01:50 AM IchGucksLive: there is also a T
01:50 AM miss0r: Its hard to tell who uses what standard as what - especially comming out of china.
01:50 AM IchGucksLive: this is rolled on messurment i guess
01:50 AM miss0r: When looking at the thomsons datasheet. They use P as rolled only
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: i gues this is not at DIN
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: so all open to the CN
01:51 AM miss0r: yeah
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: sell them to the US as P
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: to europ as C
01:51 AM miss0r: well. That is why if you need precision from your ballscrews, you should buy from a reputable source
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: and if folks like glooops ask its a T
01:52 AM miss0r: xD
01:52 AM IchGucksLive: AS we Speek there it comes
01:52 AM miss0r: "Speaking of the devil"
01:52 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, not out to protest Trump
01:52 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, nice ladys on the Road
01:53 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, if you realy need a 24hr Precescion you need a DRO mesurment backport to servo system
01:54 AM miss0r: well sure. if you want high precision. But acceptable precision can be aquired with acurately ground ballscrews and tuned step motors
01:54 AM IchGucksLive: if you got time it is only your caliber that counts
01:54 AM IchGucksLive: as always i SAY
01:54 AM gloops: hi, no i wont be protesting, Trump is ok ;)
01:54 AM IchGucksLive: COST vs Precision vs Speed vs Torque
01:54 AM miss0r: IchGucksLive: I completely agree
01:55 AM IchGucksLive: i build only on COST
01:55 AM miss0r: i.e. why deck out a huge amount of money to achieve 0.0001mm precision, if you only need 0.05
01:55 AM gloops: bbiab
01:55 AM IchGucksLive: as i need the max quantety of mashines on the given money
01:55 AM miss0r: IchGucksLive: Well, you don't build "only" on cost. You have a set of requirements to meet, and you do that in the cheapest way possible
01:56 AM miss0r: requirements is king
01:56 AM IchGucksLive: and at the time we are in 0,01 at 5m/min with 8Nm Cutting force at 2000 Wuros 800x600x200mm workarea is quite good
01:56 AM miss0r: That does sound pretty good
01:57 AM miss0r: Worst part is: That machine of yours could actualy replace my old maho for most of the machining I do
01:57 AM IchGucksLive: NO not in the dreams
01:58 AM IchGucksLive: a 800Euro one Axis Maho 400p is more then a 34k hobby
01:58 AM IchGucksLive: 3k
01:58 AM miss0r: I sport a 3 axis maho 500C
01:58 AM IchGucksLive: drilling a 40mm Hole
01:58 AM miss0r: sure. you can't realy do heavu drilling with that machine of yours
01:59 AM IchGucksLive: maho 500 aresold around 1500 euros
01:59 AM miss0r: Depending on the state they're in
01:59 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, flensburg are alot of mashines from shipyards
01:59 AM miss0r: Hehe, i'm sure. But a realy good maho(very little use on it) like the one I have, I doubt you could find for 1500eur
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, if you go smaler like FP4
02:01 AM miss0r: yeah, but thats a deckel - hardly comparable
02:01 AM IchGucksLive: you raise the cost by 10times
02:01 AM miss0r: deckel is king :]
02:01 AM IchGucksLive: it is a near desk mill at that waight
02:01 AM IchGucksLive: 280Kg
02:02 AM IchGucksLive: living rool mill at 3kw
02:02 AM miss0r: the one you are building?
02:02 AM IchGucksLive: and if there is a Contour2 on it it is 12k Euros at 30year age
02:03 AM miss0r: Do you have any videos of that mill of yours doing different materials?
02:03 AM miss0r: (preferably with sound & surface end result)
02:03 AM IchGucksLive: i only got the hardwood of my chees
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: its a 400 Euro mill doing Realy Hard Stuff
02:04 AM miss0r: :]
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: with trochodal and at the end to touch the bit no heat at all
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: 30 Euro Bosch 500 constant speed spindle
02:05 AM Deejay: moin
02:05 AM miss0r: that sounds unreasonably cheap
02:05 AM miss0r: o/ Deejay
02:06 AM miss0r: I'm doing some cleaning here. I am about to disassemble my early attempt at making a 5 axis cnc. I have by now realized that I will never finish it. and if I decided to do so, there are so many things I would make differently now
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdvROAlCMMQ
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: this mashie got a backlash of 0,3
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: it is TR16x4
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: and 2Nm Steppers
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: at TB6600
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: 5Euro BOB
02:08 AM miss0r: It sounds a little underpowered for the task at hand
02:09 AM IchGucksLive: as i said it is low cost at all
02:09 AM IchGucksLive: 500W is to low and 18000rpm is real low
02:10 AM miss0r: yeah
02:10 AM IchGucksLive: you coudt double the Speed but 5 times the cost
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: all axis spindles togeter are less then 20 Euros
02:13 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off 2 garden watering as we expect 30deg today and lots of nice swimming young ladys
02:13 AM IchGucksLive: BYE
02:35 AM `Wolf: These should work ok =) https://imgur.com/a/q6Y72WA
02:37 AM miss0r: Those look like proper versions of the chinesium we have all come to loathe
02:39 AM `Wolf: only 6061 though, not steel
02:46 AM miss0r: doesn't matter
02:46 AM miss0r: still better than the pressed cans that make up the chinesium ones.
02:48 AM miss0r: `Wolf: This is what the ones that came with my first 3040
02:48 AM gloops: cast ally is ok for machining
02:48 AM miss0r: https://imgur.com/a/1XwHjBz
02:48 AM `Wolf: lol thats bad
02:48 AM miss0r: Slot & drill hole is off center and quite awfull to look at
02:48 AM miss0r: :D
02:49 AM gloops: it does the job
02:49 AM miss0r: DAMNIT! I just turned up the speed for my maho serial connection
02:49 AM miss0r: 2400baud to 4800 baud. Both ends(pc and CNC accepted it)
02:49 AM miss0r: But apparently theres something with the cable, perhaps noise would be my guess. It transfers at double the speed but it throws in some random characters once in a while, rendering the G code unusable
02:49 AM miss0r: the cnc rejected it
02:50 AM miss0r: :-/
02:50 AM miss0r: I realy needed that speed boost
02:52 AM miss0r: Transferring G-code at 2400baud is just painfull
02:52 AM `Wolf: early ’90’s speed
02:53 AM miss0r: late '80's mill
02:56 AM miss0r: lol, okay - I made it work. Apparently the cnc has a parameter for ingoing AND outgoing baudrate for serial coms.
02:56 AM miss0r: But unfortunatly it seems that the baud rate was not the bottleneck. It is the RAM access it would seem
03:00 AM Wolf__: control upgrade time?
03:00 AM miss0r: I have been dreaming of doing so for a long time
03:00 AM miss0r: But the procedure is proving too complex for me. well, I'm sure I would succeed - but I need the mill for my work
03:01 AM miss0r: so, I can't have a too long down time
03:01 AM miss0r: damnit. How many clients to you have on here?! :D
03:02 AM Wolf__: too many
03:02 AM Wolf__: I need to set up ZNC
03:04 AM miss0r: The operation of retrofitting it would involve: -10-+10v driving the three servo drivers. 0-10v for the VFD. A table for the electro mecanic gear changers. the central oiling system. the tool changer. all the limit switches, and worst of all, in my opition; the philips linear scalle reader heads, which output something(I can't recall what at the moment) that I have been unable to use for anything plus I have only
03:04 AM miss0r: read threads online where people failed to utilize them
03:05 AM rmu: RAM access is improbably, possibly it has to do with lacking FIFO in UART or low IRQ priority
03:05 AM miss0r: what ever you describe it as, the data is taking a long time to be stored :]
03:06 AM rmu: i remember BBSing @ 2400bps. not much fun.
03:07 AM miss0r: I found, a while back, a place that sells a complete retrofit kit for the mill. with a new control box'n everything for it. Plug'n play with the existing connectors for the PLC
03:07 AM rmu: it was the limit speed for the C64 soft-uart IIRC, but worked only when turning off the DMA of the VIC, so no screen while transferring
03:07 AM miss0r: It was ridiculously expensive IIRC, but I've had second thoughts about buying it. But as it happens, I am now unable to find the seller again
03:07 AM miss0r: I believe it was made in romania or something like that
03:08 AM rmu: can't help much with the scales. I'm still stuck with the toolchanger in my retrofit (completely different machine)
03:09 AM miss0r: :] Well, at some point I'll either A) replace the machine or B) get a new one and set this one aside(where I do not know, as I have very little space) and then do a retro fit of it
03:09 AM rmu: toolchanger is a pain
03:10 AM miss0r: how so? I would think that part should be pretty straight forward
03:12 AM rmu: slight impedance mismatch with linuxcnc, and the machine has 2 spindles
03:12 AM miss0r: uhoh. that can do it :D
03:13 AM miss0r: if my mill had been two years younger, I would have been able to dripfeed it
03:13 AM rmu: i think linuxcnc wants to be tool number == pocket number with this type of changer, but that doesn't fit with any conceivable workflow
03:13 AM miss0r: that would've made a hell of a difference. If I had that option, I would not be dreaming of retrofitting it
03:14 AM miss0r: Write your own macro to run it then?
03:16 AM rmu: didn't really get around to it yet
03:17 AM miss0r: damn be all of your day to day responsibilities. Imagine what we could acomplish if we didn't need to worrie about funding it :D
03:19 AM Wolf__: i would need a bigger garage
03:20 AM rmu: hehe... e.g. astrophotography
03:20 AM miss0r: hehe, I already need a bigger garage :D
03:23 AM Wolf__: wonder how cheap some of this stuff is going to go for https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/comly-auctioneers/catalogue-id-bscco10103#lot-2864fb22-f925-479b-96dc-a91801564908
03:24 AM miss0r: One thing that I need to get at some point; I don't know the english word for it, but it is a machine with a verticle spindle, where you can set the radius of rotation on a fast spinning grinder, that travels up and down. Excellent for making nice holes in larger workpeices
03:24 AM miss0r: But they have largely been replaced by wire EDM
03:28 AM miss0r: Any of you know what such a machine is called, by any chance?
03:29 AM Wolf__: no idea
03:35 AM rmu: i can't quite picture how that "set the radius on a fast spinning grinder" would work
03:37 AM miss0r: Imagine having a boring head. Instead of having a boring bar inserted there, you have a rotating grinder spindle
03:37 AM miss0r: then the z-axis moves up and down as it grins away ever so slightly
03:38 AM miss0r: freck. I can't even remember the name in danish. A friend of mine is comming over later, he will know what I am talking about. Then I will see if I can post a result by then
03:38 AM rmu: what is this used for? id grinding of large bores?
03:42 AM rmu: obviously
03:45 AM miss0r: that and grinding multible bores on the same plane
03:46 AM miss0r: Before wire EDM is was -THE- goto machine for acurate bores on workpieces that was not suitable for being spun up in a lathe
05:26 AM Tom_L: miss0r, on the serial, add a bit of delay between bits
05:26 AM Tom_L: i did that on my bud's and it works fine
05:29 AM Tom_L: i use realterm for that
05:29 AM Tom_L: it allows you to do all sorts of things
05:36 AM jthornton: morning
05:38 AM Deejay: yo
05:39 AM XXCoder: hey
08:55 AM _methods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI8AemQcclY
08:55 AM _methods: cool flying vehicle
09:24 AM gregcnc_: _methods did you put your order in?
09:41 AM _methods: hah no kidding
09:41 AM _methods: i need to
09:42 AM syyl: i still wait for my moeller skycar, i ordered in 1995.
09:43 AM _methods: lol
09:43 AM _methods: it's almost finished
09:43 AM _methods: 2 more weeks
09:45 AM gregcnc_: 25 miles then find a 25kW charger to charge in 30 min? it's a toy
09:45 AM _methods: just keep a small fusion reactor in the back seat
09:48 AM gregcnc_: price of an SUV, toyota or porsche?
10:00 AM syyl: Mr. Fusion?
10:00 AM syyl: runs on bio-waste
10:10 AM Beachbumpete1: _methods what did you order ;)
10:15 AM _methods: a flyin "car"
10:15 AM _methods: jk
10:15 AM _methods: i wish
10:29 AM nubcake is now known as nubcake_
10:29 AM nubcake_ is now known as nubcake
11:13 AM Joe_Hildreth: Does HAL in LCNC mean Hardware Abstraction Layer, or does it have another meaning?
11:14 AM Rab: Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer
11:14 AM Joe_Hildreth: Never mind, it says so in the docs. Sorry for jumping the gun folks.
11:14 AM Rab: ;)
11:15 AM Rab: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/intro.html
11:15 AM Joe_Hildreth: Rab, my brain today is trying to checkout I guess. Sometimes I get into the weeds of things and the simplest stuff passes me by. Old age I guess!
11:16 AM fragalot: that's just an excuse
11:16 AM fragalot: experience should make up for old age :P
11:16 AM Joe_Hildreth: Right!?!?!
11:17 AM Rab: Pattern recognition is the superpower of old age. Unfortunately, patterns you can't recognize are the kryptonite.
11:20 AM Joe_Hildreth: HAHA, you have a point there Rab, Now if I could only find my cape in all this mess!
11:22 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:23 AM fragalot: I mean - he did guess what HAL meant correctly
11:23 AM fragalot: the real killer is self doubt :P
11:23 AM IchGucksLive: .weather Zweibrücken
11:23 AM IchGucksLive: so donald now having tee with the queen
11:24 AM fragalot: tea*
11:24 AM * fragalot is leaving for iceland tomorrow
11:25 AM fragalot: and I have to say, packing to go wild camping for 14 days with only a single luggage allowance is interesting
11:25 AM Joe_Hildreth: I have read the docs quite a few times over the last 5 or 6 years, but as I develop these YT tutorials, I have been trying to cature small details that I think I take for granted but I want to pass along to the end new user. I get caught up in minutia sometimes and I don't know what happens
11:25 AM Joe_Hildreth: Must be a tree -VS- forrest thing. Or ... Old age!
11:26 AM IchGucksLive: Joe_Hildreth, hi as my YT of 250.000 people they only want to know the pinconnection of there BOB
11:26 AM IchGucksLive: hi gloops
11:27 AM gloops: hi Ichs
11:27 AM IchGucksLive: DT is having tee with her majesty
11:28 AM IchGucksLive: Joe_Hildreth, dont put to many effort into it as we loosing ground day after day
11:28 AM Joe_Hildreth: IchGucksLive, you are probably correct in your assertion. But the point of these tutorials is to try to teach the system as best I can. I want the end result to be a series that will show someone how to use it for their needs and stay away from case examples.
11:29 AM IchGucksLive: Joe_Hildreth, in PC tomes below 2 cpu and 2Ghz times have been diferent
11:30 AM IchGucksLive: Joe_Hildreth, and as 2.8 new trayionary planer comes on it is working different
11:30 AM IchGucksLive: Joe_Hildreth, i like the idee of a new impulse
11:31 AM Joe_Hildreth: I thought the new trajectory planner was in place with 2.7. I know that 2.8 will have better homing control for gantry.
11:31 AM IchGucksLive: Joe_Hildreth, i did it on Freecad and as now 0,18 is up it all is worthless i deleted 40 Videos at near 80k views
11:34 AM Joe_Hildreth: SO you felt like none of the information you gave in those videos would apply to the new release of Freecad? Is that why you removed them?
11:34 AM IchGucksLive: yes people folowing by klick
11:35 AM IchGucksLive: and if menues change and workflow behavier it fails in my eys the target
11:35 AM Joe_Hildreth: Hmm.... I suppose I will have to think on that a bit.
11:35 AM IchGucksLive: Joe_Hildreth, let me give you a LCNC example
11:35 AM Joe_Hildreth: ok
11:35 AM IchGucksLive: the stepconf wizard changed at 2.7
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: and there have been 100 mails a day and lots of here got also involved
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: and then we changed it back in 2.7.2
11:36 AM Joe_Hildreth: Yes, but the HAL file remained the same.
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: no
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: if you take a INI/HAL from 2.6.11 it will change on first load
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: it will laso Fail to load on the given advices
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: Normal people using stepconf only are upset
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: as there mashine will wihout manuell change not load
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: AND for me personly i got iin real trouble as near 6 schools updated on advice
11:39 AM Joe_Hildreth: I think stepconf is a good starting point, but at some point you have to involve yourself with the files because stepconf will destroy changes. Isn't that true?
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: an non of the 200 mashine did work agaiun
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: Joe_Hildreth, yes
11:40 AM IchGucksLive: my personel problem seams to be only my one is if i invert axis dir the homing is full wrong
11:40 AM IchGucksLive: axis moving on -2 in positiv axis direction
11:41 AM Joe_Hildreth: I kind of think that stepconf is okay for initial setup, but after that modifications probably should be made to the files themselves. But, keep in mind that I am only a hobbyist and my knowledge base is quite small to those who build production machines.
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: i need to change trhe complete cabeling
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: on up to 500 mashines
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: to get people thinking wright
11:42 AM IchGucksLive: therfor
11:42 AM IchGucksLive: if you saying red cable to pin ena*
11:42 AM IchGucksLive: they do but mach has the black one there and works on Negative system
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: 85% will not do the red one to *
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: positiv +
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: and then here claiming i cabled/wired "as shown"
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: thne the alrm brain cells ring twice
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: WE all Thank the China Designer he mentiond that and made the system 5V save
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: AND NOW as 2 Powersorses run the system %V logic and 12-24V INPUT most get more in trouble
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: Joe_Hildreth, im near 71 years old
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: so i like you and 'wolf to be the better teatcher
11:46 AM nubcake: Good Evening everyone
11:46 AM nubcake: hi IchGucksLive, geht's gut? :)
11:46 AM Joe_Hildreth: I see your point IchGucksLive.
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: nubcake, at queens teeparty they will serve you
11:47 AM Joe_Hildreth: Called awasy from desk, be back as soon as I can.
11:47 AM IchGucksLive: nubcake, priuma
11:47 AM nubcake: IchGucksLive, freut mich.
11:47 AM IchGucksLive: hier liegen so 2000 strandnixen im 50 meter radius
11:47 AM IchGucksLive: 200
11:48 AM nubcake: wow.. das wär's jetzt.. :D
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: 30grad luft und 22 wasser
11:48 AM nubcake: Ich sitz hier nur rum und zerbrech mir den Kopf..
11:48 AM nubcake: bist du im Freibad oder am See?
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: see
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: kopf zerbrechen um die urzeit
11:49 AM IchGucksLive: auf Schicht am rechner
11:49 AM IchGucksLive: dumm gelaufen
11:49 AM nubcake: Ja Ich such zurzeit nen halbwegs vernünftigen Frequenzumrichter für meine 3040 (800W Wassergekühlte) fräse. Hab das billige Chinateil rausgeschmissen und wollte nen kleinen Micromaster von Siemens verbauen. Jetzt geht das Teil aber nur bis 10.000rpm :(
11:50 AM nubcake: wollte eigentlich bei 230V Zuleitung bleiben, aber scheinbar muss ich wohl doch 3phasig fahren.
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: der original hyanyang ist doch supper
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: was ist da schlecht
11:51 AM nubcake: öhm.. ich weiß ehrlich gesagt nicht, welcher das war, aber das ist nur ne Platine mit Chinesischen zeichen drauf, ohne viel Konfigurationsmöglichkeiten
11:51 AM IchGucksLive: 100hz bis 400
11:51 AM IchGucksLive: ah ok
11:51 AM IchGucksLive: nubcake, VFD spindle oder bcdl
11:52 AM nubcake: VFD
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.ebay.de/itm/DE-Stock-2-2KW-Inverter-220V-3HP-VFD-Variable-Frequency-Drive-for-CNC-Router-/263798895091
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: DAS ist der Neueste
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: ein suppper teil
11:53 AM nubcake: das sieht schon eher nach nem umrichter aus ^^
11:54 AM nubcake: läßt sich der auch halbwegs ordentlich parametrieren?
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: 260 parameter
11:54 AM nubcake: also quasi für local/remote Frequenz usw. ?
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: 8 Multi eingänge
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: aller schnick schnack auich 485
11:55 AM nubcake: Ah, super
11:55 AM nubcake: für den preis?
11:55 AM nubcake: also SEW, Lenze, Siemens usw. sind da schon 4 Stellig...
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: der geht bei mir mit der 1,5KW 6A spindle auch bei 5000 noch supper
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: obwohl min 6000 sind
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: RPM
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: bis 24000
11:56 AM nubcake: Ok, muss ich irgendwas bezüglich Anschluss beachten, oder einfach Regular L1, L2, L3 - U1, V1, W1 ?
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: 0-5V 0-10V -5/5
11:57 AM nubcake: ach 0-10 hätte mir schon völlig ausgereicht :D
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: kann auch eine externe lüfter wenn in der BOX verbaut
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: 5 Ausgänge
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: hab ich oft das der angeht bei 65Grad
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: ist zusätzlich EMI gesichert
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: wobei das die kabel ausmachen
11:59 AM nubcake: klar, schirmung halt
11:59 AM nubcake: sieht auf den ersten blick nicht schlecht aus, ich such gerade immernoch den haken :D
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: Regelt irgendwie nach bei drehzahlverlust hab das aber noch nicht so geblickt wo man das beeinflussen kann
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: hat bis 3KW eine bremse
12:00 PM nubcake: ach du meinst die drehmomentkompensation
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: das gefällt mir garnicht
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: die Schüler sollen das machne
12:01 PM nubcake: müßte torque boost sein, falls das irgendwo nachlesbar ist als parameter.
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: hyanyang hat die pdf online
12:01 PM nubcake: hast du die ungefähren abmessungen von dem teil?
12:01 PM nubcake: ah ok
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: https://www.shopmasterusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/NOWFOREVER-MANUAL-E-100.pdf
12:05 PM nubcake: ohgott... die übersetzung ist aber teilweise grausam :D
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: ich nutze fast ausschlieslihc hyanyang
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: 85euro
12:06 PM nubcake: P0-14 wäre dann dein automatisches nachregeln, wenn du den auf 0.0 stellst, darf er nicht mehr hoch oder runter regeln
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: werde ich mitwoch testen
12:07 PM nubcake: also P0-14 ist für Drehmoment nachregeln, P0-015 ist für Schlupfkompensation, also wenn der rotor hinterherläuft quasi
12:09 PM nubcake: http://www.becker-antriebstechnik.org/FAQ/Schlupfkompensation ich denke das ist ne relativ gute erklärung
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: yo das werde ich da mal testen
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: ich bin dann mal weg
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
12:12 PM nubcake: Hab mir den Umrichter mal bestellt, für den Preis kann man da nicht viel kaputt machen, danke schonmal
12:12 PM nubcake: Dir auch eine gute Nacht :)
12:12 PM nubcake: Mach's gut, schönes Wochenende
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: wochenende ist hier immer die hölle da fallen sie über uns her
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: und bei dem wetter kommen sie zu tausenden
12:13 PM nubcake: Ohje, dann angenehmes Überfallen lassen... :D
12:35 PM Beachbumpete1: Anyone have an opinion of this TronXY X5SA 3D printer kit? It looks decent and it pretty cheap actually.. Good sized envelope as well.
12:48 PM Tom_L: Beachbumpete1, water cooled spindle: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/spindle_cooler/Cooler5.jpg
12:48 PM Tom_L: :D
12:49 PM Beachbumpete1: \O/
12:49 PM Beachbumpete1: :)
12:51 PM Tom_L: we'll see if it helps any
01:56 PM CaptHindsight: 24Nm force feedback wheel
02:09 PM JT-Shopp: now that's a redneck water cooler lol
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.jove.com/video/52834/prescribed-3-d-direct-writing-suspended-micronsub-micron-scale-fiber jump to %:00 they wrote their own motion control software
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: jump to 5:00
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: https://cloudflare.jove.com/files/ftp_upload/52834/52834fig1.jpg
02:45 PM Tecan: cool i got a php midi to rtttl converter to work on cli
02:50 PM Tecan: https://github.com/robbie-cao/midi-class-php/issues/1
03:10 PM Deejay: gn8
03:39 PM Flopper: hello
03:41 PM gloops: evening
05:11 PM Wolfmetalfab is now known as Wolf__
05:32 PM Tecan: www.jcomeau.com/src neat page
05:39 PM gloops: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/for-sale-combat-vehicle-recon.html
05:49 PM _methods is now known as methods_
06:02 PM tjb1: Any resources for post editing in SheetCAM?
06:14 PM andypugh: tjb1: Are you on the mailing list?
06:15 PM tjb1: no
06:15 PM andypugh: Les Newell is…
06:16 PM andypugh: (I mean the LinuxCNC mailing list)
06:16 PM andypugh: He is obviously going to be on the SheetCAM one if there is one.
06:16 PM tjb1: Well he did a post for me when I first got it but I didn't want to keep sending him requests for the post
06:17 PM tjb1: I guess I could just read all the provided ones and try to figure it out
07:19 PM tjb1: yahoo groups is pretty terrible...
07:19 PM tjb1: Cant even read topic titles to find anything on the sheetcam group
07:20 PM ziper: they are like 10 years out of date by now arn't they?
07:28 PM tjb1: This is what it looks like for me - https://i.imgur.com/cx3QpuF.png
07:34 PM hazzy-lab: I hate yahoo groups, thankfully most I care about have moved to groups.io
07:34 PM XXCoder: yahoo dont know how to handle their own site
07:35 PM XXCoder: theres probably so many wtfs coming out of programmer office door that it turns into white noise
07:35 PM hazzy-lab: lol
07:36 PM hazzy-lab: I had a bellsouth email for a LONG time, but when yahoo started taking it over it became a joke
07:37 PM CaptHindsight: is ymail still working?
07:38 PM hazzy-lab: The last straw was when they started having scantily clad ladies dancing around the edges of my inbox
07:38 PM XXCoder: that requires actually visiting site to check. I care not to do that.,
07:38 PM XXCoder: hazzy really? lol I left long before that
07:39 PM hazzy-lab: XXCoder: It was unbelievably infuriating (not to mention embarrassing)
07:39 PM XXCoder: certainly not something you want to happen at worksite.
07:39 PM XXCoder: expecially if your boss is looking over
07:40 PM hazzy-lab: yeah, and thats the only time I had to log into the web based inbox, was at work
07:40 PM hazzy-lab: On my own machine I had my own client
07:41 PM XXCoder: "the flat earth society has members all around the globe"
07:41 PM XXCoder: lol
07:41 PM hazzy-lab: LOL, thats pretty good
07:41 PM XXCoder: hazzy I guess you moved on after that?
07:41 PM XXCoder: hazzy-lab: it was offical group post. which makes it 1000% more funny
07:42 PM hazzy-lab: XXCoder: yep, dumped them as fast as I could, and moved the gmail (which has its own problems)
07:42 PM XXCoder: gmail isnt bad, using it
07:42 PM XXCoder: certainly no ladies
07:43 PM hazzy-lab: no, I love the gmail interface, but I try to avoid google stuff if I can, can't trust them
07:43 PM ziper: why use yahoo groups instead of a regular forum
07:44 PM hazzy-lab: I hosted my own email server for a bit, but that was a pain
07:44 PM XXCoder: google singularity. it will happen evenually.
07:44 PM XXCoder: ziper: as often in this kind of stuff, history
07:44 PM hazzy-lab: yep, sooner then later too
07:45 PM XXCoder: group is old enough that groups was pretty good when they started
07:46 PM hazzy-lab: group.io is run the by the guy that started yahoo groups. he left because he did not like the way it was going
07:46 PM XXCoder: anyone remember ezboards?
07:46 PM hazzy-lab: not me. probably before I was born :D
07:46 PM XXCoder: im member of one forum that was there for years, got hacked twice so had it and moved to own server
07:46 PM XXCoder: ez is dead now I think
07:48 PM XXCoder: yep
07:49 PM XXCoder: geocities anyone? lol
07:51 PM CaptHindsight: wow
07:51 PM CaptHindsight: wikispaces
07:52 PM CaptHindsight: I remember when people thought AOL was the whole internet
07:52 PM XXCoder: I did, in 1993
07:52 PM CaptHindsight: compuserve
07:53 PM XXCoder: aol was really bad company
07:53 PM XXCoder: double and trile charged people, refused to refund
07:53 PM CaptHindsight: they locked me out of email
07:53 PM XXCoder: refused to close my account so I made a cheap scroller program and scrolled bunch of chatrooms till I was banned for life
07:54 PM CaptHindsight: one day they just started asking you to verify the fake info you used to setup the accounts
07:54 PM CaptHindsight: who could keep track :)
07:54 PM XXCoder: lol
07:55 PM CaptHindsight: same for x@netscape.net
07:55 PM hazzy-lab: CaptHindsight: I got locked out of a gmail account for sending too many email to myself xD
07:55 PM hazzy-lab: I was testing a python script form sending notifications to a list
07:55 PM XXCoder: it saddened me to annoy bunch of groups :( but I had to get myself banned
07:56 PM XXCoder: aol was costing me way too much money with double billings
07:56 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-lab: not happy with Google myself. I don't trust any of their services anymore
07:56 PM CaptHindsight: they even bother me about my mac address changing too much
07:57 PM CaptHindsight: verify your login, suspicious behavior
07:57 PM CaptHindsight: you mean like every time I login I have a different MAC?
07:57 PM CaptHindsight: what the F is the password for then?
07:57 PM XXCoder: indeed
07:57 PM hazzy-lab: WTH? Thats craszy
07:58 PM XXCoder: all websites I have login at have long and ugly password
07:58 PM CaptHindsight: Goggle wants to send a "phone" a verification number
07:59 PM hazzy-lab: CaptHindsight: if you refuse to verify by phone too many times they lock you out and make you pay like $0.30 by credit card to verify who you are
07:59 PM CaptHindsight: Google wishes to tie all your tracking info your account as much as possible...
08:00 PM hazzy-lab: They don't like anonymous users
08:00 PM XXCoder: no money in anon info
08:00 PM CaptHindsight: they don't like changing MAC's or VPN's
08:01 PM hazzy-lab: I guess because that is another good way to identify you
08:01 PM CaptHindsight: glad they still have pay as you go debit cards
08:01 PM CaptHindsight: and they are also deputized by the justice dept
08:02 PM CaptHindsight: but don't talk about that
08:04 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJOoYhQcQBI Anon trailer
08:14 PM hazzy-lab: Oh boy, this discussion just prompted me to check my kcjengr.com email address, which I haven't checked in ages
08:14 PM hazzy-lab: I have all sorts of emails about some massive bridge construction project, I guess there is some kcjengr firm that does bridge construction, and their clients email me by accident
08:15 PM XXCoder: lol
08:15 PM XXCoder: I have maybe 4 email address that I havent checked for years. m sure my y mail have been deactivated years ago
08:21 PM hazzy-lab: Aha, I am being confused with KCJ Engineering, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California. their website is kcjeng.com, very similar to mine
08:22 PM XXCoder: steal some of their business heh
08:22 PM hazzy-lab: LOL, that's an idea!
09:06 PM andypugh: hazzy-lab: https://xkcd.com/792/
09:14 PM XXCoder: yep lol
09:14 PM XXCoder: hey andypugh I recall you have a project but forgot what it was
09:16 PM andypugh: I have so many projects _I_ forget what they are. You need to be more specific.
09:17 PM XXCoder: cant recall. you was posting some videos
09:18 PM Tom_shop: i must say as ghetto as it may be, the spindle motor is staying cool now
09:18 PM Tom_shop: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/spindle_cooler/Cooler5.jpg
09:18 PM andypugh: I really am lacking xontext here.
09:18 PM andypugh: (context)
09:19 PM XXCoder: and I cant recall enough, like what it was, even. lol drat
09:19 PM andypugh: Time for a new keyboard, I wore the letters off this one)
09:19 PM XXCoder: Tom_shop: whatever works.
09:19 PM XXCoder: heh my apple keyboard is 15 years old, still has letters. very shiny buttons, some of em though
09:19 PM XXCoder: seperate plastic color molds keys rock
09:20 PM andypugh: XXCoder: This is an Apple keyboard. I should take it back
09:20 PM XXCoder: alum board one?
09:20 PM andypugh: Yes
09:20 PM XXCoder: wow
09:21 PM XXCoder: wonder when they changed to embossed not plastic molding
09:21 PM XXCoder: you can take my keyboard from my cold dead fingers
09:22 PM andypugh: I was going ro say I type more than I talk, but then I remembered that you are probably even more skewed that way.
09:22 PM XXCoder: this keyboard went though a LOT pof programming sessions also
09:23 PM Tom_shop: i've got an old northgate i've replaced a few caps on but it still works great
09:24 PM Tom_shop: worn out several cheap ones along the way but it still works
09:24 PM XXCoder: old keyboards is awesome
09:25 PM andypugh: I _like_ this keyboard. I even persuaded a friend with a “clicky IBM” fetish to try one, and he was converted.
09:25 PM XXCoder: I used to have ibm xt ones but it got rusted by water leak in closet :(
09:26 PM Tom_shop: i think most of the old good ones used cherry switches
09:26 PM XXCoder: timw to mow ugh layer
09:27 PM infornography: mow them lawyers
09:29 PM andypugh: Here we have a (short and pointless) review of the keyboard I use. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymLK_v4hg0
09:31 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: do the ECU's you program use an OS?
09:31 PM andypugh: It isnt’t a clicky long-travel classic, but at least one friend of mine (a journalist and author, he types all day) was converted to that from the clicky-IBM he thought he needed. Your opinion might vary.
09:32 PM andypugh: CaptHindsight: No not really.
09:32 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: ever peek inside https://github.com/rusefi/rusefi
09:34 PM andypugh: There is a scheduler that runs the 10mS, 20mS and 100mS tasks, and the crank-synchronous tasks. It feels a lot like HAL with a base-thread that steals more CPU at high-rpm
09:34 PM CaptHindsight: interesting
09:34 PM CaptHindsight: all in assembly?
09:34 PM andypugh: All in C
09:34 PM CaptHindsight: even better
09:35 PM andypugh: (and a lot of auto-coded into C Simulink
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: that GPL project is done mostly in c++
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: runs on stm32
09:36 PM andypugh: (coding in Simulink makes documentaion of what the code does easer for the lkes of me. I am on favour.
09:37 PM andypugh: Yeah, we max out an asymmetric tricore (ARM, PowerPC, DSP) CPU
09:38 PM CaptHindsight: infineon?
09:38 PM CaptHindsight: if poke too far say so
09:39 PM andypugh: But we run diagnostics, emissions, cruise-control, 8 pumps, dozens of actuators…
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: you work on the smaller diesels?
09:40 PM andypugh: I don’t actually know how makes the chip. The module supplier is Continental.
09:40 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/microcontroller/32-bit-tricore-microcontroller/
09:40 PM andypugh: I work on the big Euro diesels, which are mych smaller than the US small siesels.
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: they mention ECU's as a main application
09:41 PM andypugh: That is likely to be the one
09:41 PM andypugh: Would make a _great_ CNC controller.
09:42 PM CaptHindsight: was considering the i.mx8 for that
09:42 PM CaptHindsight: more power than the BBB with an open source GPU that works
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: and 2 microcontrollers for stepping
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/applications-processors/i.mx-applications-processors/i.mx-8-processors:IMX8-SERIES
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: would make sense for machinekit to jump ship and move over to it
09:44 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: thats a good XKCD
09:44 PM hazzy-lab: wait, there all good
09:45 PM andypugh: I like 123 and 386
09:45 PM andypugh: I am not sure if he aligns the good ones to Geek-notable numbers
09:47 PM hazzy-lab: Ho, 123 is gold!
09:47 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: have the anti-trump protesters been out and about by you? or is that just in London?
09:47 PM andypugh: 1024 is nice, but I just found it by trying a nunber :-)
09:47 PM andypugh: Just London
09:48 PM andypugh: Trump seems to think that they represent a minority. Certainly thr protestos are a (countable) miinority, but I suspect they represent a majority opinion in the UK.
09:49 PM andypugh: The man’s a twat
09:49 PM CaptHindsight: I'd like to see the big baby trump ballon
09:49 PM CaptHindsight: balloon even
09:50 PM CaptHindsight: time for a pint or two, hasta
09:50 PM andypugh: I’d like to see Branson (big in balloons) make a reallly big one :-)
09:50 PM CaptHindsight: haha
09:50 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: 314 is good too (another nerd number?)
09:53 PM andypugh: 271 is a bit poor
09:54 PM andypugh: He can make it back with 2718
09:55 PM andypugh: 356 is a favourite of mine. A friend spent years on it.
09:55 PM andypugh: (but not a geeky number, AFAIK)
09:56 PM hazzy-lab: 356 is good
09:57 PM hazzy-lab: some how I never get tired of 730
09:58 PM hazzy-lab: mainly because I see real circuit diagrams that are about like that, lol
10:01 PM andypugh: What does it do in SPICE?
10:03 PM andypugh: It seems that the restor network has beem solved many times.
10:16 PM hazzy-lab: 730 reminds me of that time a senior design team thought a little arduino relay took in 12VDC and output 10A @ 240VAC. They brought their project to me to trouble shoot, and it tool my like 45 min looking at their schematic to figure out what they were thinking, lol
10:16 PM hazzy-lab: They were trying to run a AC motor off a car battery
10:25 PM andypugh: Were you as embarassed as the time ot took me two days to spot that a cylinder pressure plot I was sent went down to -3 bar?
10:27 PM andypugh: Anyway, I have things to do and places to go tomorrow. Err, today..
10:55 PM tjb1: well my lenovo stick is dead after their bios update...
10:57 PM tjb1: beautiful waste of $60
11:01 PM skunkworks: when I was 10ish - I figured out what a diode did - and thought if I hooked it up in reverse I would get ac...
11:06 PM XXCoder: magic smoke eh
11:12 PM * Wolf__ is good at making magic smoke https://i.imgur.com/nuuui9t.jpg
11:17 PM XXCoder: lol
11:17 PM hazzy-lab: http://ibm-1401.info/pictures/MagicSmoke.jpg
11:17 PM hazzy-lab: genuine IBM smoke
11:18 PM Wolf__: lol
11:18 PM XXCoder: lol