#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 10 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:09 AM `Wolf: hmm I think my mill is trammed in pretty well https://i.imgur.com/pXCFejc.jpg
12:29 AM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: That's about as good as you can do!
12:34 AM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/z3FtZJY.jpg
12:34 AM `Wolf: I always get the nice surface finish on the parts you never see again lol
12:39 AM `Wolf: now.. while its in pieces, should I drill/tap/port/grove it for one shot oil system lol
01:18 AM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: Absolutely! There there will probably never be a better time, and you certainly won't regret it
01:20 AM `Wolf: one shot oil on a X2 seems like over kill but why the hell not right? lol
01:21 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:21 AM IchGucksLive: no sun today
01:25 AM hazzy-lab: Morning Ichs
01:27 AM tiger12506: Anybody awake?
01:28 AM `Wolf: nope
01:29 AM IchGucksLive: yes we are
01:29 AM IchGucksLive: tiger12506, this is 24/7
01:29 AM IchGucksLive: as the world never sleeps
01:29 AM tiger12506: I don't know if this is the right place for this, but I notice the "Alternate Install Methods" section of the linuxcnc website mentions wheezy and jessie, but I can confirm that the install instructions (making the appropriate substitutions) work fine for stretch
01:29 AM IchGucksLive: tiger12506, just ask
01:30 AM IchGucksLive: tiger12506, there is a strech iso
01:30 AM IchGucksLive: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/stretch-live-build
01:31 AM tiger12506: Sure. More of a "I think the install instructions are falling out of date and could be updated" recommendation.
01:31 AM IchGucksLive: tiger12506, isos are here http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
01:31 AM IchGucksLive: agree
01:31 AM IchGucksLive: tiger12506, why do you need strech
01:33 AM tiger12506: For various reasons. I'm not asking about a problem or anything, just to report that it works fine on Stretch, and that it took me a while to realize that, especially because of the table on the Alternate Install Method section.
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: tiger12506, modern pc can easy do 2 parports on a 10USD pci
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: tiger12506, if you are in the forum plese write a MAKE
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: how you did it
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: if it is proven by someone then there are people that update the wiki alternatives
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: BUT if you like you can also do it
01:36 AM tiger12506: just fyi, Debian Stretch 9.0 is the latest stable release of Debian.
01:36 AM tiger12506: In the forum please write a MAKE?
01:36 AM tiger12506: I'll go look and see what that means.
01:37 AM IchGucksLive: tiger12506, just a froum entry how to make it work on debian strech 9.0
01:37 AM `Wolf: I think he means a how to post
01:37 AM tiger12506: Nah, just haven't looked that hard yet
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: YUST took a look at the YT only 24 preople yesterday as comming from 3000 per day last year
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: Lcnc is loosing ground to arduinocnc
01:40 AM tiger12506: Well that makes sense. Arduinos are getting cheaper, and nobody wants to lug around a computer with a parallel port.
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: i love them
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: as i use around 100 a year and in total more then 6000 mashines
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: 600
01:41 AM `Wolf: stand alone router and laser cutters are the hot things
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: i will not go to 6k in this live
01:41 AM `Wolf: lcnc is kinda overkill for them
01:42 AM IchGucksLive: even the big M is loosing
01:42 AM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/SHEA5uS.jpg my laser machine, running smoothie board
01:43 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
01:43 AM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/oYn7JHD.jpg
01:43 AM `Wolf: I’m amazed that it even works every time I use it lol
01:45 AM tiger12506: oh man, lasers are so cool. I have a cheap china module that I intended to hook up (maybe duct tape) to the CNC3040 from China.
01:46 AM tiger12506: But I'm not clear yet on what modifications I'd have to make to the hardware to get PWM spindle control... it's a long story
01:47 AM `Wolf: mine is a 2.5W, 9 3d printed parts, and a hand full of bearings, g2 gears and 550mm 12mm hywin rails
01:48 AM `Wolf: I just wish it was more watts
01:48 AM `Wolf: like 100w…
01:48 AM jelly-home is now known as jelly
01:49 AM tiger12506: What can you do with 2.5W module? I think that's what I bought.
01:50 AM `Wolf: mark wood is about it
01:51 AM `Wolf: I got it to test bed before getting a 100W co2
01:54 AM tiger12506: Looks like it's doing nicely in those photos
01:55 AM `Wolf: I’m still having issues figuring out the raster stuff
01:56 AM `Wolf: plus I don’t know squat about vectored graphics yet
01:57 AM tiger12506: Oh? What CAM are you using?
01:57 AM `Wolf: laserweb
01:59 AM tiger12506: I started out with inkscape, then switched to inkscape and makercam, but since I discovered fusion 360 and got it working all the way through, I haven't been doing much of the previous.
01:59 AM tiger12506: Took me a while to figure out how to use inkscape and get vector graphics to turn out right.
02:00 AM tiger12506: makes sense though, since gcode basically _is_ vector graphics. lol
02:00 AM Deejay: moin
02:00 AM `Wolf: hmm
02:00 AM `Wolf: I’m use to using solid works
02:01 AM `Wolf: been poking at f360 but can’t break the SW workflow
02:01 AM tiger12506: I did that briefly, with SolidCAM (pirated), but was watching NYC CNC on youtube and liked what I saw with Fusion
02:02 AM `Wolf: lol I thats what I’m running
02:03 AM `Wolf: I did have someone offer to teach me some illustrator stuff so I might try that for the laser stuff
02:03 AM tiger12506: The most irritating thing I find with Fusion is the zoom. Probably a setting I can find somewhere, but I think it's insane that you have to move the mouse opposite the origin when zooming out in order to keep your part in frame.
02:06 AM `Wolf: I use a space mouse for 3d stuff
02:06 AM tiger12506: I could never get into fancy mice, lol.
02:06 AM tiger12506: So do you think they will update this page
02:06 AM tiger12506: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_alternate_install_methods
02:06 AM tiger12506: if I make a post here
02:06 AM tiger12506: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc
02:06 AM `Wolf: maybe, I dunno
02:06 AM tiger12506: well that's encouraging. :)
02:06 AM `Wolf: the space mouse works good because you can map it to move like you are grabbing the part
02:07 AM `Wolf: x/y/z pitch/roll all natural using the puck
02:07 AM `Wolf: + rotate
02:09 AM tiger12506: Sweet.
02:09 AM tiger12506: Well, I'm gonna hop off. Cheers and have a nice day. :)
02:10 AM `Wolf: http://a.co/frznRlB this thing, only 2 buttons lol
02:12 AM tiger12506: That's pretty slick lookin. I think the last mouse I paid for was $1.
02:12 AM tiger12506: I've got some work to get done, so I'm hopping off. Good luck with your soon to be 100W laser!
02:13 AM `Wolf: back to making cast-iron chips.. ick
05:04 AM jthornton: morning
05:22 AM Tom_itx: morning
05:45 AM Simon_: Hi, i have pretty urgent problem, i recently switched my CNC from mach3 to LinuxCNC. One problem i'm having right now is a weird radius compensation. I have the feeling that linux gives a comepensation to every sharp corner, aldough i programmed G40 it not go near a sharp corner, instead it compensates more than 10mm while cutting with a 6mm tool... Is anyone familliar with this problem and the solution to it?
05:45 AM XXCoder: umm yeah theres gcode to turn "cut corner" on and off
05:46 AM XXCoder: forgot what it is though
05:46 AM Simon_: do you mean G40-G41-G42?
05:46 AM XXCoder: 10mm? that seems huge
05:46 AM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/user/user-concepts.html
05:46 AM Simon_: it is pretty huge
05:47 AM XXCoder: no its not tool diameter comp
05:48 AM XXCoder: g61 and group of commands with it
05:49 AM XXCoder: like g64 which sets it back to default. g61 is exact stop, corners would be sharp
05:50 AM XXCoder: in normal mode it depends on acceration and such to create less sharp corners. yours may be in unusual configuration so it curves way too slow
05:50 AM XXCoder: it could be something else but something to check. try g64 and see
05:50 AM XXCoder: details https://www.cncci.com/resources/tips/g61.htm
05:51 AM simon_: G61pretty much solved it
05:51 AM XXCoder: whats you last see me say?
05:52 AM jthornton: simon_: did you read the link I posted?
05:52 AM simon_: G61.1 cuts the perect corner
05:53 AM XXCoder: g61.1 is new to me, modifies rounding effect. interesting
05:53 AM XXCoder: what was last statement you saw me say before you timed out?
05:55 AM simon_: that was a link
05:56 AM simon_: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/user/user-concepts.html
05:56 AM simon_: this one
05:56 AM jthornton: yes
05:58 AM XXCoder: I dont know why g61.1 fixes it
05:59 AM simon_: seems weird to me2
06:00 AM XXCoder: need to check your acceration and deacceration settings
06:00 AM XXCoder: that affects such
06:00 AM jthornton: yep
06:01 AM jthornton: acceleration should be 10-20 times the max velocity
06:02 AM simon_: the problem is, i have no idea where the acceration settings are to be found... i'm pretty much new to to codes and linux
06:02 AM XXCoder: its in HAL if I recall right
06:02 AM jthornton: in your ini file
06:02 AM jthornton: it's quite easy to spot
06:03 AM XXCoder: I have forgotten bunch of stuff because havent ran my machine for while, no room. argh! I may just convert my 3d printer to linuxcnc type so I can just have fun with it as polotter or something
06:03 AM XXCoder: sure I run bigger machines at work but whatever lol
06:03 AM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#_axis__lt_num_gt_section
06:04 AM XXCoder: I wonder what happens if we ever find a way to access 4th dimension. so much ponental for cnc machining
06:04 AM XXCoder: like milling out hollows without making any holes
06:06 AM XXCoder: xyzw abcd I would guess heh
06:18 AM skunkworks: -i
06:37 AM tiwake: XXCoder: everything would look flat, so can just use a pair of 4th dimensional scissors to cut out whatever would need to normally be milled out
07:25 AM max__ is now known as Guest84986
07:29 AM Guest84986: hi, Im trying to call a subroutine within a file, but I get an error "cant open file". how can I call the routine within the same file?! Thanks
07:30 AM Tom_itx: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/o-code.html
07:35 AM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
07:35 AM rmu: trajectory planning in 4 dimensions will not be easy
07:46 AM flyback: man I seen some neat machine tools as of late
07:46 AM flyback: not necessarily cnc
07:47 AM flyback: but people spinning up the shaft of a old motor in a lathe chuck to salvage the communitator or slip rings by grinding away the damage and using bigger brushes etc to compensate
07:48 AM flyback: I mean hell even a plotter is dam awesome just to create a pattern to cut a piece of metal with
07:48 AM flyback: amazing
07:48 AM flyback: that and I can't draw or cut a straight line to save my life
07:50 AM Beachbumpete1: flyback that's why those guys have all those machines..they probably can't draw a straight line either ;)
07:52 AM flyback: heheh :)
07:53 AM flyback: can you imagine the reaction 100-200 yrs ago when manual machine tools first came out
07:53 AM IchGucksLive: hi
07:53 AM IchGucksLive: flyback, imagen inventors of 1900
07:54 AM IchGucksLive: now at there stuff
07:54 AM flyback: i mean
07:54 AM flyback: the reation
07:54 AM IchGucksLive: WERNER Siemens seeing Tesla Model3
07:54 AM flyback: "wait 2 pieces the same?!?!??!?!?!?!?"
07:54 AM IchGucksLive: OH i did that in 1888
07:55 AM IchGucksLive: Rudolf Diesel
07:55 AM IchGucksLive: Oh i did run it on Peanat oil so no polution
07:55 AM IchGucksLive: Edison
07:56 AM IchGucksLive: Well you solfed the head problem holding 3W LED
07:57 AM flyback: heh I rememeber when white leds were just coming out
07:58 AM IchGucksLive: flyback, brothers Wright
07:58 AM flyback: I paid like $7 radio shack for a really shitty 3mm one probably 800 mcd at best
07:58 AM IchGucksLive: oh it realy got working
07:58 AM flyback: yeah they used aluminum for their engine that probably cost them $10-20k back then
07:59 AM flyback: I believe it was still exotic at the time
07:59 AM flyback: not cheap
07:59 AM IchGucksLive: or get this 2 brothers at the visitor platform to Chicago OHARE
07:59 AM flyback: it was worth it to prove the concept of fligbht
07:59 AM flyback: man if I was that aluminum company back then
07:59 AM flyback: I would have given them their money back
08:00 AM flyback: in exchange for the rights to use them as marketing
08:00 AM IchGucksLive: Where woudt we be if not Religion jumpd in 82Chr
08:01 AM IchGucksLive: wine and beer woudt be the pay of the world on greek Arestotelis
08:03 AM IchGucksLive: the world is turning
08:03 AM IchGucksLive: at Aquator 1600km/h
08:03 AM IchGucksLive: here it is 320meter/sec
08:03 AM IchGucksLive: N/Spol almost Zero
08:03 AM IchGucksLive: so it is all relative
08:04 AM IchGucksLive: we all are makeing 30km/sec around the sun
08:05 AM IchGucksLive: and of corse 30.000km/sec around the Aliencenter
08:05 AM IchGucksLive: while ANDROMEDA goes 120.000km/sec on colicion corse
08:06 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2metre/?? towards coffe Brake and Tomato Harvest
08:30 AM skunkworks: and who knows how fast the universe is moving..
08:52 AM jdh: me.
08:59 AM rmu: moving relative to what.
09:01 AM skunkworks: exactly!
09:01 AM skunkworks: multiverse?
09:01 AM rmu: "multiverse" is not very well defined
09:02 AM skunkworks: I agree..
09:02 AM rmu: everybody and their cat have their own imagination what a multiverse would be
09:02 AM skunkworks: Actually our dog has a pretty good theory..
09:03 AM rmu: hehe... i can imagine...
09:03 AM gloops: the fabric of the cosmos is maintained by an infinite number of reciprocating singularities, big bang, expansion, contraction, singularity - like bubbles forming and popping in a pan of stew
09:04 AM rmu: maybe.... or maybe not
09:06 AM rmu: current thinking is the expansion of the universe is accelerating
09:07 AM gloops: are we talking faster than E?
09:08 AM gloops: err C
09:08 AM rmu: no of course not
09:09 AM gloops: it was thought that quasars on the outside of the universe were travelling faster than C, this seems to be have explained though
09:10 AM rmu: that was a distortion by ignorant press
09:12 AM skunkworks: I can't wait until we have quantum entanglment communication...
09:13 AM gloops: rmu probably an a distortion in the observation
09:13 AM rmu: skunkworks: why
09:13 AM skunkworks: faster than light communication. (pie in the sky)
09:13 AM rmu: gloops: nothing disallows causally disconnected objects to have relative speeds greater than lightspeed
09:13 AM rmu: skunkworks: no faster than light communication
09:14 AM rmu: skunkworks: that would not make sense because receiver would receive signal befor it was sent
09:16 AM gloops: not a paradox in QM
09:16 AM rmu: things like quantum tunneling or this entanglement stuff that appear to happen "instantly" (even that is debatable) can't be used to transmit information (at least not faster than light)
09:17 AM skunkworks: aww - come on!
09:18 AM rmu: if c was not that "hard limit" that it is, nothing of electrodynamics and quantum mechanics that is the foundation of modern technology would work like it does
09:19 AM skunkworks: but it seems like it should work ;)
09:19 AM gloops: difficult to claim it is just an appearance, as that suggest there are missing variables - a theorem proves there are no missing variables
09:20 AM rmu: gloops: it seems you make a connection between quasars and "hidden variable" theory of QM and bell's inequality
09:20 AM rmu: gloops: but quasars have nothing to do with "hidden variables"
09:22 AM gloops: i was talking about the behaviour of quarks
09:23 AM rmu: quasar = "quasi stellar" object, probly bit galaxies very far away with a real monster black hole in the middle (billions of sun masses)
09:24 AM rmu: quark = "elementary" particle, fermion, what most ordinary stuff is made of
09:25 AM gloops: yes i am familiar with the terms
09:29 AM gloops: well, im off to pick some fruit and get away from the politics over here, the antics in the RATS NEST they call parliament is depressing
09:32 AM JT-Shop: I need to make a copy of the discovery 308 dos hard drive
09:39 AM slipalong: Hi Gloops are you a located in UK?
09:40 AM cradek: JT-Shop: seems like you could just plug in a second disk, format and sys it, and xcopy the files. with dos making a new boot disk was pretty easy.
09:44 AM JT-Shop: thanks
09:45 AM JT-Shop: oh and I need to email the files to a guy with a dead discovery 308
09:46 AM skunkworks: I might use clonezilla...
09:46 AM jdh: I would use Ghost.
09:46 AM skunkworks: is ghost still a thing?
09:46 AM skunkworks: that was nortons - wasn't it?
09:47 AM slipalong: clonezilla is open source live CD.
09:47 AM jdh: yeah. I have a bunch of ghost boot disks
09:47 AM skunkworks: heh
09:47 AM JT-Shop: I have a ghost floppy somewhere
09:47 AM JT-Shop: and I've used clonezilla before
09:48 AM slipalong: you can probably make a bootable USB if you down have ye oldie DVD player
09:48 AM JT-Shop: and I'm making a bunch of 1 minute cycle time parts :)
09:49 AM JT-Shop: and the motherboard is a 386
10:05 AM cradek: haha yeah just boot your 386 from cd
10:07 AM skunkworks: heh
10:07 AM rmu: dd would work
10:08 AM rmu: or mtools
10:08 AM cradek: you can't boot linux on a 386 in any straightforward way
10:09 AM rmu: you could with 20 year old linux distro ;)
10:11 AM skunkworks: (I would move the hd to other hardware... )
10:12 AM skunkworks: I assume it is ide - boot it in some other hardware that will allow an image to be made.
10:12 AM rmu: if it is an IDE or SCSI disk some usb adapter might work to access the disk, but i have never seen such a thing for shugart
10:12 AM rmu: st506
10:12 AM skunkworks: But we have shelves and shelves of old hardware that helps...
10:13 AM jdh: I have old stuff running, but no st506
10:14 AM jdh: I do have a pair of pdp 11/73 running production 24/7
10:14 AM rmu: what kind of production?
10:18 AM jdh: ultrasonic weld inspection
10:25 AM * JT-Shop never could get linux to work until the EMC2 LiveCD came out... must be brain dead
10:26 AM cradek: JT-Shop: what kind of disk is it?
10:27 AM rmu: jdh: you are not afraid of hardware problems? machine seems to be 30+ years old
10:27 AM JT-Shop: some kind of solid state disk
10:38 AM jdh: rmu: they are old, but some if the best built machines ever.
10:38 AM jdh: and I have spares. a
10:38 AM jdh: and a slow plan to replace them.
10:51 AM cradek: JT-Shop: funky. wonder what interface.
10:52 AM cradek: if it's old, I bet it's tiny, a couple MB at most
10:52 AM JT-Shop: IIRC an IDE
10:52 AM cradek: you could send your friend a dos boot floppy and a dos backup (probably a few more floppies)
10:53 AM cradek: anything else seems like it would be tricky to get running
10:53 AM JT-Shop: yea, I see it is running DOS 6.22 so msbackup is there
10:53 AM JT-Shop: going to do a backup now
10:53 AM gregcnc: google returns this: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/bridgeport-hardinge-mills/114382-bp-discovery-308-w-dx32-backup.html#post947556
10:53 AM gregcnc: i wonder who that is
10:54 AM JT-Shop: yea that's my drive
10:55 AM cradek: cool, it's ide
10:55 AM gregcnc: I bought a similar 8GB DOM to replace an HDD in a 1999 pc based machine
10:55 AM cradek: now all you need is to find some vintage <320MB IDE drives
10:55 AM gregcnc: ebay
10:56 AM gregcnc: still made I think
10:56 AM JT-Shop: I'd bet I have some
10:56 AM cradek: but maybe you could format a bigger one 320MB? not sure
10:56 AM cradek: for a while some bigger ones had jumpers to limit them to that size
10:56 AM gregcnc: Another machine I converted to a CF adapter
10:57 AM gregcnc: and moved a W98 10GB HDD to a 4GB CF using gparted I think, and it worked fine.
10:59 AM gregcnc: https://www.ebay.com/itm/282981783078
11:00 AM gregcnc: there used to be quite a few Transcend DOM in the last couple years. Maybe they aren't int he game anymore
11:02 AM gregcnc: Is that OS that much more complicated to get going than a winduhs install?
11:02 AM cradek: dos6? much less complicated
11:04 AM JT-Shop: I still have my DOS 6.22 install disks
11:04 AM gregcnc: if cloning a drive not an issue right? or did you lose a drive?
11:05 AM JT-Shop: someone in south america had his hard drive die
11:06 AM JT-Shop: just trying to get him back up and running
11:08 AM cradek: you're a hero
11:10 AM JT-Shop: probably a good idea to have a backup of my machine...
11:10 AM cradek: oh yes
11:11 AM cradek: and a second backup in south america, haha
11:11 AM JT-Shop: and a third on my NAS
11:35 AM Tecan- is now known as Tecan
11:47 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:53 AM hazzy-lab: LOL: designer: Fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server :0.0.
11:54 AM hazzy-lab: Since when is a fatal error a Success?
11:58 AM aircooled is now known as hazzy-lab
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: its getting summer this weekend ;-.(
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
12:30 PM Tecan: https://www.thingiverse.com/download:5120045 made this gcode parser today
12:35 PM hazzy-lab: Tecan: Nice. Is the point to let the print cool a bit between layers?
12:36 PM hazzy-lab: How is the stealth printer coming along?
12:45 PM gloops: clash of the titans kicking off soon for football fans
01:27 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i've run dos on new hardware so it still works
01:27 PM Tom_L: just made a small partition
01:27 PM Tom_L: and still have the original 6.22 if you need it
01:32 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: I have the 6.22 disks, how small did you make a partition?
01:49 PM Tom_L: i don't remember now
01:49 PM Tom_L: i did it just to see if it would run
01:50 PM Tom_L: 20-30Meg should be plenty for that i would think
01:51 PM Tom_L: 2G is max for dos
01:56 PM amxen: hey any mach3 users
01:57 PM MrHindsight: amxen: most here are ex- or never mach users
01:58 PM MrHindsight: amxen: do you want to learn how to move to a better CNC controller?
01:58 PM hazzy-lab: amxen: Once upon a time, yes
01:59 PM amxen: ok im having trouble
01:59 PM amxen: i just want to get my cnc work first
02:00 PM amxen: im using this board
02:00 PM amxen: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MACH3-Interface-Board-CNC-5-Axis-With-Optocoupler-Adapter-Stepper-Motor-Driver/192569270265?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
02:01 PM amxen: but i have no out put . i think is todo with enable but i think it need setting up in mach3
02:01 PM MrHindsight: have you tried contacting the dealer that sold you mach3?
02:01 PM amxen: its connected to pin 14 .
02:02 PM Wolf__ is now known as Wolf_
02:02 PM amxen: no i was hoping to sort it out alittle easyer than that
02:03 PM gloops: just install linuxcnc it will be working in 5 minutes
02:04 PM MrHindsight: me want an extruder for thermoplastics like this https://youtu.be/8v-fNXnAaPw?t=5m9s
02:05 PM gloops: amxen you need to test the parport
02:05 PM MrHindsight: lay a ~5mm x 1mm bead
02:06 PM MrHindsight: why nobody make and sell?
02:06 PM gloops: you must have the port enabled in windows, go to ports and see if you can see the port
02:06 PM gloops: it needs the mach 3 drivers installed - check the driver
02:07 PM amxen: iv tested im getting input but no out put. iv replaced the bob as we thought it was that but still the same
02:07 PM gloops: mach 3 doesnt do this itself
02:07 PM gloops: you got the 5v supply from usb
02:08 PM amxen: iv tested my pp im getting 3.7v dc on 2345678
02:08 PM amxen: yer 5v from the usb now
02:08 PM gloops: its in - France
02:09 PM gloops: you set the pins up in mach3, active low
02:09 PM amxen: im sure its to do with enable . thats conected to pin 14 and im thinking i need to activate it in mach3 but not sure how
02:11 PM gloops: pin 14 is the relay
02:12 PM MrHindsight: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/re3d/gigabot-x-your-direct-pellet-extrusion-3d-printer
02:13 PM amxen: thats where the instructions say to put enable . so do i just go to ports and pins and enable pin 14 as active low
02:14 PM gloops: well try it, but nothing is connected to the relay
02:15 PM amxen: this is what im doing
02:15 PM amxen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdJjZ3PHo8k
02:17 PM gloops: ok, this is a process of elimination
02:17 PM gloops: signal goes from mach3 > parport> breakout board > driver > motor
02:18 PM gloops: we need to know where the signal stops
02:18 PM amxen: its going to the bob input then thats it
02:19 PM amxen: i get 3.7 v dc in the bob input side
02:19 PM gloops: youre sure that is the signal - it fluctates when you jog the axis
02:19 PM amxen: i get 3.7v dc left then down to 0v rite
02:20 PM amxen: if i jog left its goes upto 3.7v dc then i jog rite it goes down to 3.7v dc
02:21 PM amxen: sorry 0v rite
02:21 PM gloops: and this is not repeated on the output side
02:21 PM amxen: but there is nothing on the out put side
02:21 PM gloops: so the bob is not powered/grounded
02:22 PM amxen: the bob is getting its power from the usb now
02:23 PM amxen: all i have now is the bob connected to the pc with a pp lead and a usb lead
02:23 PM gloops: green light?
02:23 PM amxen: yer green lights 2 of them in the centre
02:25 PM gloops: when you test the output pin, say pin 3, you are grounding the multimeter to the PCgnd pin?
02:29 PM XXCoder: wow all boys and coach is out!
02:29 PM gloops: actually pin 17 is relay
02:30 PM amxen: i test from pin 2 to pin 3
02:30 PM amxen: is that correct
02:30 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: how long until the movie is out?
02:30 PM gloops: try pin3 to PCgnd
02:30 PM amxen: or should i be going to ground
02:31 PM amxen: ok one min
02:31 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: who do they send the bill to?
02:31 PM XXCoder: what it's already out on dvd
02:34 PM gloops: google checking parport in mach3/windows LPT1
02:34 PM gloops: http://hobbycncaustralia.com/Instructions/iI20PinsandPorts.htm
02:34 PM gloops: theres rarely an of this with linuxcnc
02:35 PM amxen: ok it was me brain fart
02:35 PM amxen: we have voltage 5.1v dc put its not changing when i jog
02:35 PM gloops: well, what did you find?
02:35 PM gloops: so..now we're finally getting some place
02:35 PM amxen: yes
02:36 PM amxen: all i need to do now is get it to change the voltage when jog now
02:38 PM gloops: watch this - testing parallel port https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglCm_qsojk
02:39 PM gloops: this will determine if the port is enabled and the signal is getting there
02:43 PM MrHindsight: never forget! https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-battle-of-britain-begins
02:44 PM XXCoder: Geez yet another racist harasses foreign lady wearing shirt with flag from Puerto Rico.
02:44 PM Wolf_: more like drunk idiot while worthless cop watches and does nothing
02:45 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: officer is under investigation
02:45 PM MrHindsight: yeah we have lots of drunk idiots here
02:45 PM XXCoder: cop actually helped in this case. He was removed from parrk
02:45 PM Wolf_: the first cop
02:45 PM Wolf_: not the ones who show up 20-30 mins later
02:45 PM XXCoder: but key word is that he thought Puerto Rico is not in usa.
02:45 PM Wolf_: well, its not
02:45 PM MrHindsight: yeah it's doubtful they will screen police departments for racists
02:46 PM XXCoder: people there is usa citzens.
02:46 PM XXCoder: it may not be a state but it IS part of usa.
02:46 PM Wolf_: doesnt matter what the guy was spewing out, he was still drunk and disorderly and cop did nothing
02:46 PM XXCoder: wolf didnt you read? I said drunk guy was booted out
02:47 PM gloops: yes been a big RAF do today
02:47 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: yes, but it took a different officer
02:47 PM MrHindsight: the video doesn't show that part
02:47 PM amxen: yes im getting voltage on the pins from the pp 3.7 v so all is good from there
02:47 PM Wolf_: XXCoder: I saw the vid of it, when the video started, there was a officer there watching the whole thing
02:47 PM * Tecan >>> Auto-op est suspendu...
02:47 PM Wolf_: and did nothing
02:48 PM XXCoder: first one apparent;y
02:48 PM Wolf_: 2 other officers showed up to the scene after her family arrived and called 911
02:48 PM MrHindsight: the news story didn't get into details if the office is just a lazy type, a racist or both
02:48 PM gloops: 'never, in the field of human conflict, was so much owed, by so many, to so few'
02:49 PM gloops: amxen and the parport pin voltages change as you jog about
02:50 PM gloops: not just steady voltages
02:50 PM amxen: yes mate changes from 3.7 v to 0v
02:50 PM MrHindsight: gloops: thats when speeches were speeches, and dancin was dancin
02:50 PM gloops: well im at a loss - someone else might help
02:51 PM Wolf_: put a scope on it lol
02:51 PM gloops: my advice - install linuxcnc and put these problems behind you
02:51 PM Wolf_: or that
02:52 PM amxen: how will that help . i dont want to go to all that trouble then find out its not fixed the problem
02:53 PM gloops: i cant see how if you are getting signals to the bob, the bob is powered, why the signals wont cross the bob
02:53 PM Wolf_: running to stepper driver right?
02:53 PM MrHindsight: amxen: does you get a voltage change on the inputs sides to the BOB when you done jog?
02:54 PM gloops: Belgium - OUT
02:54 PM MrHindsight: darn
02:54 PM Wolf_: amxen: take a pic of how you have bob hooked up to the stepper drives
02:55 PM amxen: like this
02:55 PM Wolf_: my guess is something is overlooked in hook up
02:55 PM amxen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdJjZ3PHo8k
02:56 PM MrHindsight: amxen: yeah, that was drawn by somebody else
02:56 PM gloops: mach3 - espcially the warez edition...always doesnt find the parport
02:56 PM amxen: i get input voltage change from 3.7v dc down to 0v dc when i jog
02:56 PM MrHindsight: we need to know what you actually did
02:56 PM amxen: but the out put stays at 5.1 v dc
02:56 PM Wolf_: you have power hooked to the bob, like via the usb?
02:57 PM amxen: yes 5v usb
02:58 PM MrHindsight: so will France surrender before the finals?
02:58 PM Wolf_: lol MrHindsight
02:58 PM Wolf_: I dont know how mach3 configs, do you need to set stepper to source or sink?
02:59 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFXniBbgbw0 lol
02:59 PM MrHindsight: https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/world-war-ii-history/videos/private-snafu-fights-fake-news-in-1944
03:02 PM tjb1: MrHindsight: you ever use a lattepanda?
03:03 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: Regulated Metal Deposition (Welding)
03:03 PM XXCoder: yeah though his is massive hack lol
03:04 PM XXCoder: if he could use milling also, then it could be adder-subtractive machining
03:06 PM MrHindsight: tjb1: nope, Intel shmintel
03:07 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: yes, that process actually makes very good and precise parts
03:08 PM XXCoder: indeed. and also super expensive
03:08 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaIOrQi2HLM
03:08 PM XXCoder: ya what i was thinking
03:08 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: only due to the patent protection
03:09 PM MrHindsight: metal powder printing has about a zillion patents
03:09 PM XXCoder: in other words, 1% of cellphone patents
03:09 PM MrHindsight: yeah :)
03:12 PM Tom_shop: ok, mill column retrammed
03:13 PM XXCoder: skimmer in 2 seconds https://youtu.be/y83ZgzuFBSE
03:13 PM Tom_shop: may or may not have bumped something. not gonna admit to anything :)
03:19 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: I did a msbackup of the whole drive
03:20 PM JT-Shop: I think the other guys machine is the same
03:22 PM Tom_shop: i'd do an xcopy instead of backup personally
03:22 PM Tom_shop: or both
03:23 PM Tom_shop: i've had msbackup that spanned multiple disks go all sorts of wrong
03:23 PM Tom_shop: in your case since it's on a hdd may be ok
03:24 PM JT-Shop: I'd like to build a pc that I can install dos 6.22 on and test the backup
03:25 PM JT-Shop: I did make a copy of the floppies on the NAS
03:26 PM Tom_shop: using a blank hdd?
03:26 PM Tom_shop: just make a 1g partition and 'sys C:'
03:26 PM Tom_shop: then start copying
03:27 PM Tom_shop: do it on a ssd if you wanna be amazed :D
03:28 PM MrHindsight: https://youtu.be/78WKAB_NqWk?t=7s doing similar only onto fabrics and films using thermoplastics and hot melts
03:33 PM Tecan: https://www.thingiverse.com/download:5120611 RTTTL2GCODE.py
03:33 PM ziper: here is the lathe i looked at
03:33 PM ziper: https://imgur.com/a/EztKkjR
03:34 PM ziper: check out the little sliver of iron holding it together
03:35 PM Rab: ziper, oh dear
03:35 PM Rab: I guess the slab is an integral part of the lathe.
03:35 PM Tecan: might make a version that plays music while printing
03:36 PM ziper: I wonder how much accuracy suffers
03:36 PM MrHindsight: #reprap has improved, just heard about this https://3dplatform.com/product/hfe-900/ from that channel
03:36 PM ziper: it can't exactly be rigid
03:36 PM ziper: considering that the price is only 1000 i'm thinking about bolting it back together
03:37 PM MrHindsight: it's designed to flex before it shears
03:37 PM MrHindsight: say you have a very unbalanced part in it
03:39 PM MrHindsight: or it could feature a quick change saddle
03:41 PM Deejay: gn8
03:41 PM ziper: no, i'm pretty sure they cut it
03:41 PM Rab: ziper, I guess you could do that, and live with the shortened bed.
03:42 PM ziper: you can see a bandsaw slot where they started it
03:45 PM Rab: I assume they made the cut for clearance, but if they were able to clear the remaining bed material on one side then it's strange/sad that they cut the other side through.
03:48 PM amxen: about to give up on this
03:48 PM MrHindsight: maybe mounted off center
03:49 PM hazzy-lab: ziper: Some of the US navy ships had lathes with separate beds that could be slid away from the head to make a gap that went all the way to the floor
03:49 PM hazzy-lab: There was a sort of sub-bed made from steel (actually part of the ship) that the headstock and bed mounded to and slid on
03:49 PM hazzy-lab: A local shop has one, and since it did not come with the ship they just have the headstock and bed bolted to the slab separately, its not terribly accurate, but for what they use it for it works just fine
03:49 PM ziper: was there any issue with collinearity?
03:50 PM hazzy-lab: Yes, they have to tweak the leveling screws every so often, its not perfect, but good enough
04:02 PM Wolf_: with that much bed, would it be possible to re mount the head to the ways
04:04 PM ziper: thats what we were looking at
04:04 PM ziper: it was hard to tell with the inch of crap coating everything
04:04 PM Wolf_: lol true
04:05 PM Wolf_: have to figure its not all one piece
04:05 PM ziper: but it looks like the part of the headstock above the bed would, but the part underneath would require some real work
04:13 PM Rab: ziper, seems like it would be difficult to move without cracking that link. If you were committed to remounting the headstock, might want to go ahead and cut it for convenience.
04:13 PM ziper: i'd rather bolt it back together
04:14 PM Wolf_: blah here I try to be super lazy but thingiverse customizer wont let me
04:14 PM MrHindsight: easy enough to realign with a cheap laser
04:15 PM MrHindsight: maybe the lathe comes with the concrete slab below it
04:15 PM Rab: Just buy the building too. Ready to work!
04:16 PM MrHindsight: ziper: how long is that lathe?
04:16 PM ziper: 16ft
04:16 PM MrHindsight: so plenty of bed left
04:17 PM ziper: do you think its worth getting? I just need to measure the trailer to make sure there is enough room for it and the forklift
04:17 PM MrHindsight: it will most likely snap when moved unless you support that gap
04:18 PM gloops: did arekm get sorted?
04:18 PM Rab: Worth getting if you have a huge shop and want to machine huge things, but are on a shoestring budget.
04:20 PM MrHindsight: how much is a lathe worth with a broken or bent bed?
04:20 PM MrHindsight: good enough for drive shaft work
04:21 PM gloops: a bent bed?
04:21 PM MrHindsight: or knocking the rust off pipes
04:21 PM ziper: about 10 cents a pound?
04:21 PM gloops: you can straighten it with a flame
04:22 PM MrHindsight: make a 3d printer out of it
04:23 PM MrHindsight: make custom plastic rollers
04:23 PM ziper: MrHindsight, did you think it was possible to move the headstock over onto the good part of the bed?
04:23 PM ziper: and does that ways wear look normal?
04:25 PM MrHindsight: http://mengesroller.com/products/rubber-rollers/
04:25 PM MrHindsight: pics to fuzzy to tell
04:25 PM MrHindsight: needz more pixels
04:27 PM MrHindsight: high precision not required https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vsr5Zj6y5U
04:30 PM MrHindsight: or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAz-eozXYBk
04:30 PM MrHindsight: Laser Metal Deposition/Laser Cladding Machine
04:31 PM MrHindsight: perfect donor lathe for this
04:32 PM ziper: i dont want to make those things
04:32 PM MrHindsight: build one a sall it
04:32 PM MrHindsight: sell it
04:33 PM ziper: I do want a filament winder but i feel like it would be extremely the wrong donor machine for that
04:33 PM Rab: ziper, do you need a 16' lathe, or do you just need any lathe?
04:34 PM ziper: 10 ft would be good enough
04:34 PM ziper: but this one has a taper attachment and screw cutting gearbox and everything
04:37 PM gloops: link ziper
04:37 PM gloops: i will cast the turners over it
04:38 PM gloops: turners eye
04:38 PM gloops: thats should have been
04:42 PM ziper: gloops, https://imgur.com/a/EztKkjR https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/hvo/d/leblond-lathe-1000/6635804148.html
04:43 PM gloops: hey blondie..
04:44 PM MrHindsight: https://images.craigslist.org/00e0e_eUzqbFDt37b_1200x900.jpg
04:44 PM gloops: yes looks fine to me
04:44 PM gloops: big lathe for garage
04:45 PM gloops: what you can tell is bed wear and headstock bearings wear
04:45 PM gloops: cant
04:46 PM gloops: it does look like its been de-greased, steamed or something
04:46 PM ziper: gloops, what about the giant chunk missing
04:46 PM hazzy-lab: gloops: you did notice that the bed is cut nearly thru at the headstock
04:47 PM hazzy-lab: ?
04:47 PM gloops: thats how it was cast isnt it?
04:51 PM gloops: although does look slightly unusual i have to admit
04:52 PM Wolf_: sawzall gap bed
04:52 PM hazzy-lab: or maybe somebody started to scrap it ...
04:52 PM gloops: lot of old lathes were made like that http://www.lathes.co.uk/britannia/img65.gif
04:53 PM gloops: surely youd cut the end of the bed off first
04:53 PM hazzy-lab: Yeah, but this was not a gap bed originally, lol
04:53 PM gloops: it doesnt appear so
04:54 PM gloops: so the search continues ziper
04:54 PM hazzy-lab: The odd thing is that the gap they cut does not look wide enough to be very useful on that size of lathe
04:55 PM ziper: they were turning turbines
04:55 PM ziper: i don't know why they would do that on a 12ft bed
04:55 PM gloops: for the swing
04:55 PM gloops: faceplate
04:55 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-SMALL-METAL-LATHE-COMPLETE-WORKING-AND-RUNNING-LATHE-ON-STAND/113142971575?
04:55 PM Wolf_: flanged shafting
04:56 PM gloops: you wouldnt want a 10 foot shaft in that, not now
04:56 PM gloops: im not entirely convinced that is cutting anyway, does it say it is?
04:57 PM ziper: its got like 2 cuts next to it that were false starts
04:58 PM gloops: ok, thanks for looking closely for me, lol
04:59 PM unterhausen: maybe they wanted to face turn something large
05:00 PM gloops: 10 minutes madness with a stihl saw - another good old machine departs this world
05:00 PM Wolf_: I say cut a chunk off the back end of the bed and make it a gap bed
05:01 PM ziper: I mean, could I just cut it and align it later and bolt it back together?
05:01 PM Wolf_: imo look at what $$ could be made off parting it out as well
05:02 PM gloops: no chance
05:02 PM hazzy-lab: It might be possible to take the headstock off, slide the bed down and mount the head back on it. Depending on how the head is mounted it might be pretty easy
05:03 PM gloops: like they wouldnt have done it?
05:03 PM Wolf_: its all possible
05:03 PM ziper: i don't want to part it out anyway
05:04 PM Wolf_: thats just a CYA thing so your not out the full price of the lathe
05:05 PM gloops: 12 foot bed needs perfect alignment
05:06 PM gloops: 1 degree out = 60mm at the other end
05:06 PM ziper: just stick a laser in the tailstock
05:06 PM hazzy-lab: It does not need a tapper attachment, lol
05:06 PM hazzy-lab: just shift the bed
05:07 PM ziper: lol
05:08 PM MrHindsight: http://www.soliforum.com/post/57653/#p57653 it's not just for lasers anymore
05:08 PM hazzy-lab: ziper: do you have equipment to move a machine that big? If you end up spending more than you pay for it to get it moved then its is probably best to move on, if you can move it yourself and have a place to put it then you can't loose much. Its not worth more than $500 ...
05:09 PM ziper: yeah, its going at my friends shop, he has a trailer and forklift
05:09 PM ziper: but you really think its only worth 500?
05:09 PM MrHindsight: need more better close up pics
05:10 PM hazzy-lab: I don't know were you are, but here it would be worth 500 tops
05:10 PM sync: it is worth the scrap price
05:10 PM gloops: yes
05:10 PM MrHindsight: $ + a bowl of soup or a cap
05:10 PM gloops: you pay the scrap value - if you get anything going its a bonus
05:11 PM ziper: check out this valuable and historic machine https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/atq/d/original-1943-south-bend-13x/6625797469.html
05:12 PM Wolf_: has southbend in the name, its gonna be over priced
05:12 PM gloops: so $4300 sentimental value
05:13 PM ziper: https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/hvo/d/industrial-lathe/6634319424.html
05:14 PM gloops: big
05:14 PM MrHindsight: outdoor tanning bed lathe
05:16 PM MrHindsight: if you interesting call
05:16 PM MrHindsight: boring people need not call
05:17 PM hazzy-lab: Not a lathe, but tempting: https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/tls/d/ko-lee-tool-cutter-grinder/6603954907.html
05:18 PM MrHindsight: https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/tls/d/12-32-craftsman-commercial/6634702138.html $1400
05:18 PM MrHindsight: https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/tls/d/metal-lathe/6638821213.html $1200
05:19 PM ziper: the craftsman looks ok, but the other one looks straight out of china
05:19 PM ziper: and rather small
05:20 PM gloops: emco
05:21 PM MrHindsight: https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/tls/d/late-model-atlas-12-inch/6627814460.html
05:21 PM gloops: not all chinese stuff is total rubbish, ive got a swordfish vice which is pretty sturdy
05:21 PM gloops: does look like the mold melted though
05:22 PM MrHindsight: https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/tls/d/12-craftsman-atlas-lathe-54/6627828709.html
05:22 PM MrHindsight: $900
05:23 PM MrHindsight: close ups of everything except for the bed
05:23 PM gloops: 900 for a basket case?
05:24 PM MrHindsight: heh, I find it amusing how you judge machines
05:24 PM MrHindsight: wish you had a reality show
05:25 PM gloops: it pays to be cynical when buying, usually
05:25 PM hazzy-lab: The parts are in baskets, but it might be a decent lathe, and saves the trouble of taking it apart to clean it up!
05:26 PM gloops: how much is one worth assembled?
05:27 PM hazzy-lab: $22000 for a very rare vertical BP lathe: https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/pts/d/metal-lathe/6627322076.html
05:27 PM MrHindsight: anyone ever rework one of these for precision? https://spacecoast.craigslist.org/tls/d/mini-metal-lathe-7-10/6610971092.html
05:28 PM MrHindsight: hand scraped and new bearings etc
05:28 PM `Wolf: I have one of those…
05:28 PM hazzy-lab: MrHindsight: I scraped mine in, it is buttery soothe and accurate, as long as all I cut is delrin, but it is very limber
05:29 PM `Wolf: not scraped in tho
05:29 PM MrHindsight: just to flexible
05:29 PM gloops: the first review i read said 'forget thread cutting'
05:29 PM hazzy-lab: I even cut steel gears for mine, what a waste of time, lol
05:29 PM gloops: so i didnt buy one
05:29 PM `Wolf: I did put teflon gibs in the crosslide
05:29 PM `Wolf: carriage I mean
05:29 PM hazzy-lab: gloops: I have cut 6tpi worm on mine
05:29 PM MrHindsight: "Ideal for small plastic parts"
05:30 PM `Wolf: I cut a ball screw end with mine
05:30 PM gloops: hazzy-lab im sure its capable in the right hands
05:30 PM MrHindsight: I've seen them at HF
05:31 PM MrHindsight: oil holes not drilled through
05:31 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/8TEjtQb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3JsSA8x.jpg
05:32 PM `Wolf: couldn’t pay me to try that again with that machine tho
05:33 PM gloops: U.S. to list tariffs on another $200 billion of Chinese products: Bloomberg https://reut.rs/2NFgv2o
05:33 PM gloops: everybody will be after the old machines soon, chinese stuff going to dry up
05:34 PM MrHindsight: just put tariffs on everything going to Walmart
05:36 PM hazzy-lab: https://i.imgur.com/K5cUJ74.png
05:36 PM gloops: that looks fine
05:37 PM hazzy-lab: They are cute lathes: https://i.imgur.com/QwpSAeg.png
05:37 PM MrHindsight: Chinese QC inspector
05:38 PM gloops: that looks fine for USA - ship!
05:38 PM hazzy-lab: LOL
05:38 PM hazzy-lab: That worm was to mesh with this: https://i.imgur.com/Wk8GC2J.png
05:38 PM hazzy-lab: case from soda cans
05:38 PM hazzy-lab: cast
05:39 PM hazzy-lab: Back when I had more time :D
05:39 PM gloops: all good clean work, what was it for?
05:39 PM MrHindsight: were the Emco's any better? http://www.nielsmachines.com/en/emco-sold-emco-compact-5-collection.html
05:40 PM gloops: they go mad on those on ebay - especially with the milling attachment
05:40 PM hazzy-lab: I had forgot how much I did with that lathe! https://i.imgur.com/MrrJeWf.png
05:41 PM hazzy-lab: gloops: for a dividing head: https://i.imgur.com/F8WZd21.png
05:42 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/22o7rlm.jpg
05:42 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Emco-Unimat-3-Lathe-mill/263805786927?
05:42 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/YaiPZ9j.jpg that was fun
05:42 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/NdXBYOT.jpg
05:42 PM hazzy-lab: Nice wolf!
05:43 PM MrHindsight: Wolf_: so it's made of some sort of ferrous metal
05:43 PM `Wolf: stupid micro mill lead screws had no bearings what so ever on them
05:44 PM hazzy-lab: Lots of chips! https://i.imgur.com/9EUdD2b.png
05:44 PM `Wolf: lol
05:45 PM `Wolf: i can hear that motor bogging looking at the pic
05:45 PM hazzy-lab: yes! I had to crank it by hand sometimes
05:46 PM hazzy-lab: Almost finished: https://i.imgur.com/59KLq5Q.png
05:46 PM `Wolf: haha, I can’t count the number of times I popped the fuse on mine
05:47 PM hazzy-lab: What fuse? LOL, I put a bit of brass rod in place of the fuse the day I got mine :D
05:47 PM `Wolf: lmao
05:47 PM `Wolf: I got mine used
05:48 PM `Wolf: upside down photo https://i.imgur.com/Ly9F51I.jpg but I bet you’ll know what it is
05:49 PM `Wolf: actually the lathe was upside down lol
05:49 PM Loetmichel_: hazzy-dev: i had a worker do that on his lathe... the main 63A diazed fuses kept burning... so he made a few out of steel... on his 8m diameter caroussell lathe... bad thing: the reason the fuses tripped was a bad motor winding... the company ended up with a molten lump of copper and aluminim that once was a 60kW three phase motor...
05:57 PM `Wolf: time to find out how bad these $2/ea ER16 collets are =D
05:59 PM `Wolf: hmm, can’t tell if the collet is running out or the drill bit is bent
06:01 PM JT-Shop: $2 collets and 50¢ drill bit...
06:01 PM `Wolf: bits are morse
06:02 PM `Wolf: well, not the one that is in there right now, its just marked C-L USA
06:04 PM JT-Shop: ah drill in the tail stock?
06:06 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/GTjDcZF.jpg
06:08 PM `Wolf: I have a crap load of NOS tooling, morse, trw, greenfield, cleveland twist drill
06:12 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/usanu7X.jpg right side box is #68-#1, left box is 1/2”-1/16” in 64th steps
06:14 PM `Wolf: I have a load of stuff I’ll probably never use… like how often am I going to tap a #0-80 thread...
06:15 PM SpeedEvil: Yeah.
06:15 PM SpeedEvil: Then you have to add on 'today that can't wait for shipping by tomorrow'
06:18 PM `Wolf: its almost handy having all this stuff, but I still manage to need something I don’t have lol
06:20 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/E2cyqxw.jpg all that, had to order a 5/16-36 tap a few weeks ago lol
06:21 PM `Wolf: and of course thats all imperial thread, and over half the stuff I work on is metic…
06:22 PM `Wolf: metric*
06:25 PM MrHindsight: https://postimg.cc/image/4fjblz1ff/ for things like this
06:26 PM `Wolf: what the heck is that
06:27 PM `Wolf: acme thread on one side and super fine pitch on the other, how does that work
06:28 PM MrHindsight: microscope stage
06:28 PM MrHindsight: one side is covered by a spring
06:28 PM `Wolf: ooh not a acme thread, guy I bought my shop from made electron microscope parts
06:29 PM SpeedEvil: Polishing electrons is hard.
06:29 PM MrHindsight: the fine thread is the thread, the other is the spring that looks like a thread but is not
06:29 PM MrHindsight: SpeedEvil: ever try to get them to hold still?
06:30 PM `Wolf: hah
06:30 PM `Wolf: on the plus side that means the lathe and mill mostly did acrylic and plastics
06:31 PM `Wolf: and brass
07:01 PM pink_vampire: I have something similar
07:14 PM MrHindsight: looking for a scale that goes up to 250Kg and can hold a 70cm (24") drum
07:25 PM MrHindsight: load cells are cheap on ebay
07:40 PM `Wolf: diy scale
07:42 PM MrHindsight: drum hoist with forklift
07:43 PM `Wolf: that works
07:44 PM MrHindsight: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200673817_200673817
07:45 PM pink_vampire: just get 4 strain gauges, and make a winston bridge, on a part that you machine.
07:46 PM pink_vampire: it is just 2 holes and slotting operation.
07:49 PM `Wolf: only need a lift ring load cell for drum hoist
07:50 PM `Wolf: MrHindsight: if you make one be sure to show it off, might be handy to have one in my shop
07:53 PM MrHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Generic-New-S-TYPE-Beam-Load-Cell-Scale-Sensor-Weighting-300kg-660lb-Cable/292328720821
07:55 PM MrHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/YZC-526-Weighing-Sensor-500kg-S-type-Column-Tension-Sensor-Load-Cell/392069974555
07:56 PM `Wolf: 2000KG should work for me
07:58 PM `Wolf: some company makes a system that ties in to truck suspension system to give live load weight
07:58 PM MrHindsight: for the bed?
07:58 PM `Wolf: also know that they make forklifts with them built in to the fork backing plate
07:58 PM `Wolf: yup
07:58 PM MrHindsight: I have a 10K # fork lift
07:59 PM `Wolf: for dump trucks and flatbed
07:59 PM MrHindsight: don't need a scale that big though
07:59 PM `Wolf: I have a 8K and 5K lb forks, anything bigger we use the hook truck as a crane
08:00 PM `Wolf: planning to add a dual winch tow boom to a skid so I can use that as a short crane tho
08:00 PM MrHindsight: found this one local on ebay
08:00 PM MrHindsight: just needed a battery
08:01 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/2sUyYXt.jpg
08:01 PM `Wolf: got both of my forklifts for free, scrap haul away =)
08:02 PM `Wolf: one needed water pump, other needs a king pin and a new coil
08:02 PM MrHindsight: nice
08:02 PM `Wolf: both propane
08:02 PM MrHindsight: I'd like an electric for the shop
08:02 PM MrHindsight: for winter months or when the AC is on
08:03 PM `Wolf: I really need a rough terrain for my yard
08:03 PM MrHindsight: I have concrete and asphalt everywhere
08:03 PM `Wolf: they don’t like gravel lots
08:03 PM MrHindsight: could probably land a plane on it
08:03 PM `Wolf: lol
08:07 PM `Wolf: my shop is too small
08:08 PM `Wolf: and possibly going to be doing hook lift installs for peter built dealer… I have a feeling those aren’t fitting in the garage bay
09:46 PM MrHindsight: https://postimg.cc/image/rowqfiggr/ what would you expect to pay for this at the register?
09:47 PM pink_vampire: 75
09:47 PM pink_vampire: + tax
10:30 PM `Wolf: trick question?
10:36 PM `Wolf: lmao, something isnt right, product photo fail… http://a.co/izQTGCd
10:37 PM hazzy-lab: MrHindsight: $115
10:38 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: LOL, you'd think somebody would have caught that
10:40 PM `Wolf: you would think so right lol
10:40 PM hazzy-lab: MrHindsight: Ha, I did not see the price tag, that seems good, very good. At least for around here
10:41 PM hazzy-lab: At least they could have tried to hide it in the pictures ...
10:41 PM `Wolf: more I use the DRO on my lathe, I think I should have gotten two of the same like I put on my mill…
10:47 PM `Wolf: oh yeah, forgot the DRO display on my mill cost more then the full 3 axis kit on the lathe… lol
10:49 PM MrHindsight: hazzy-lab: they wanted that price + a $7.00 core
10:49 PM `Wolf: side tracking myself on aliexpress… I should be looking for oiler kit
10:49 PM `Wolf: cheap, cores here are $15
10:50 PM hazzy-lab: core charge is $12 at wallmart, and $15+ at FLAPS here
10:50 PM MrHindsight: when did they go from posting the full price with a core to the price without a core?
10:51 PM `Wolf: every place I use has the price then +core at checkout
10:51 PM MrHindsight: this has changed
10:51 PM hazzy-lab: Its been a few years here, it's a pain as they only give you a few days to bring in the core, and I always forget to do it in time
10:52 PM `Wolf: but for most things I’ll order using advanced auto online w/ store pickup because they almost always have 15-20% off code online
10:52 PM MrHindsight: used to be Price - core, so say $75 posted price would be $69 if you brought a core
10:53 PM hazzy-lab: Right, it used to be a DISCOUNT for the core, not extra, anything to make the price look cheaper compared to the comp I guess
10:53 PM `Wolf: idk… I keep a few dead ones for cores in my shop lol
10:53 PM MrHindsight: yeah kinda slimey
10:54 PM hazzy-lab: very much so, i hate that kind of thing
10:54 PM MrHindsight: going to write the HQ
10:54 PM `Wolf: kinda like ebay listings shipping charges
10:54 PM MrHindsight: then maybe small claims court just for wasting my time
10:55 PM hazzy-lab: It's like the Kroger plus card, just tell me what it cost I will pay, but don't make me keep a stinking card with me all the time in case i want to shop with you
10:55 PM MrHindsight: I noticed that Rock Auto started doing similar but it tells you the core charge on top of the published price vs surprise at the register
10:56 PM hazzy-lab: ... and not get ripped off
10:56 PM MrHindsight: usually grocery stores will list both prices on the shelf
10:57 PM MrHindsight: the other day steaks were ~$7 diff per lb
10:57 PM hazzy-lab: That's true, they do try to be transparent
10:57 PM MrHindsight: $5/lb with card, $13/lb without
10:57 PM hazzy-lab: I know, its crazy
10:57 PM MrHindsight: how often do you change cards?
10:58 PM MrHindsight: the new place in town has a kiosk for registration...
10:58 PM hazzy-lab: I won't do the cards :)
10:58 PM MrHindsight: i used to fill out illegible cards when done by hand
10:58 PM hazzy-lab: Thats an idea!
10:59 PM `Wolf: get card, rotate what stores I use
10:59 PM MrHindsight: and get a new one every few months
10:59 PM MrHindsight: use a throw away email if they verify
10:59 PM `Wolf: so tracking metric shows me using their store 2x per year
11:00 PM MrHindsight: pay cash
11:00 PM MrHindsight: vs tied sale to CC
11:00 PM hazzy-lab: I try to do all my shopping at publix, prices are a little higher, but service is top notch and no funny business
11:00 PM MrHindsight: or join a card swap club
11:01 PM hazzy-lab: I only use cash except for web purchases, mainly because I am so hard on cards they only last a few months, lol
11:01 PM hazzy-lab: The new chip cards are very fragile
11:01 PM MrHindsight: yeah I just cracked one last week
11:02 PM MrHindsight: not a chipped card, cracked right in the middel if the strip
11:04 PM MrHindsight: over the years I noticed maybe a 5-9% savings when using a store customer card
11:04 PM hazzy-lab: When I worked at the school I had to have an card to get into the labs the guys at the ID center started making me pay for new cards because I went thru so many!
11:05 PM MrHindsight: hey, make a decent card
11:05 PM MrHindsight: it's one thing if you lost them
11:05 PM MrHindsight: but cracking while in your wallet is pretty poor
11:06 PM hazzy-lab: Never lost one, but they would ether crack or the strip would rust thru
11:06 PM MrHindsight: spend $0.05 per lb of plastic
11:06 PM MrHindsight: more than the cheap stuff
11:06 PM hazzy-lab: It can't be that hard to make a good card
11:07 PM MrHindsight: the markup on them is pretty good
11:07 PM hazzy-lab: But most people just sit on a couch all day, so the cheap ones last :D
11:07 PM MrHindsight: I knew a vendor based in India
11:07 PM MrHindsight: they made millions making cards
11:07 PM `Wolf: https://www.ebay.com/itm/4mm-2L-Dual-Digital-Display-Automatic-Electric-Lubrication-Pump-Oiler-NC-Pump/112970428519 this project is starting to seem like overkill… think this is any good?
11:08 PM MrHindsight: about the same price as a manula one
11:08 PM MrHindsight: manual even
11:09 PM hazzy-lab: I bet, they must cost a good bit, even the basic ones, as hotels think its worth charging for stolen cards :D
11:09 PM `Wolf: then, just need ptfe tube?
11:09 PM MrHindsight: `Wolf: does it have external trigger inputs?
11:10 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: Thats cheap(until the tariffs hit)! Looks decent too ..
11:10 PM `Wolf: I don’t see external trigger
11:10 PM MrHindsight: I tie them back to the controller
11:10 PM MrHindsight: only runs when the machine is moving
11:10 PM `Wolf: but I doubt it would be hard to make it
11:10 PM MrHindsight: vs just by time
11:11 PM `Wolf: have it turn on w/ enable or something
11:11 PM flyback is now known as fishhead
11:12 PM `Wolf: or gcode trigger?
11:12 PM hazzy-lab: Does anybody use the HAL lube pin?
11:12 PM hazzy-lab: I don't know what it does ..
11:12 PM MrHindsight: I didn't want to ask
11:13 PM MrHindsight: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Halui
11:13 PM hazzy-lab: heh: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/lube.py
11:13 PM `Wolf: lol I might just get 2 of those pumps then, put one on the knee mill at some point
11:15 PM MrHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Dual-Digital-Display-Automatic-Electric-Lubrication-Pump-Oiler-Pump-1-8L-110V/162628154568
11:16 PM pink_vampire: MrHindsight: what is that?
11:16 PM MrHindsight: same place just price with shipping included
11:16 PM MrHindsight: they have multiple listings all the same shipped price :)
11:17 PM `Wolf: that one is $1 more after + shipping and 1.8 vs 2lt
11:17 PM MrHindsight: I've seen some with multiple listing maybe 1 cent different in price
11:18 PM MrHindsight: makes searches more difficult at times
11:18 PM `Wolf: its for the people who don’t use the price+shipping sort feature
11:21 PM `Wolf: for the rest of the thing, M5 thread 4mm push fittings and 4mm OD PTFE tube is whats needed right?
11:21 PM `Wolf: not counting a manifold block
11:26 PM `Wolf: I want to at least plumb in some of it before I close up the X/Y
11:26 PM hazzy-lab: `Wolf: that sounds right
11:28 PM `Wolf: hmm, actually looks like all but 1 of the Y will be accessible on this thing
11:28 PM hazzy-lab: bijur makes "special" lube pump tubing (it have very think walls), but I am sure PTFE would be fine, the pressure is not very high
11:28 PM `Wolf: kinda what I was thinking
11:29 PM `Wolf: way oil not grease injection
11:29 PM hazzy-lab: right
11:30 PM hazzy-lab: You probably wont even need metering values for an X2
11:30 PM hazzy-lab: just make sure it gets plenty of oil
11:30 PM `Wolf: true lol
11:31 PM `Wolf: … damn X ball screw needs a pocket milled for the oil port
11:31 PM hazzy-lab: those little mills have sooo little clearance :(
11:32 PM `Wolf: yeah, and I’m using “12”mm ball screws
11:32 PM `Wolf: most everyone says they won’t fit on this thing
11:32 PM hazzy-lab: yeah, that must be tight!
11:32 PM hazzy-lab: 8mm is not easy lol
11:33 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/z3FtZJY.jpg plenty of room
11:34 PM `Wolf: Y axis clears the original lead screw nut mount by 1mm
11:34 PM hazzy-lab: It didn't even have the butcher the ballnut that bad, nice!
11:34 PM `Wolf: yeah, just needed a slot 1/2 way through the casting lol
11:35 PM hazzy-lab: heh, so there is about 1/16" left?
11:35 PM hazzy-lab: :)
11:37 PM hazzy-lab: Those little mills are surprisingly capable for how light they are, I am always impressed what people do with them
11:38 PM `Wolf: Y https://i.imgur.com/ukSiCKE.jpg and X https://i.imgur.com/n8R8lCu.jpg
11:39 PM hazzy-lab: very nice solution for X!
11:39 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/osOM4DE.jpg an the Y axis the motor is going to be rear mounted
11:41 PM `Wolf: lol https://i.imgur.com/kYDtEtW.jpg
11:41 PM hazzy-lab: YES! I always wanted to see somebody do that!
11:41 PM `Wolf: that one is good for a laugh
11:41 PM hazzy-lab: Thats good! a smaller machine making a bigger one
11:42 PM `Wolf: funny part is I got this table to upgrade the X1
11:42 PM fragalot: hi
11:42 PM `Wolf: looked at the adapter plate it came with and ended up calling little machine shop to find out if the X2 solid column would fit on it
11:44 PM hazzy-lab: Closest I have come to that, I can't compete :D : https://i.imgur.com/iQMmajw.png
11:45 PM `Wolf: =)
11:45 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/Y3HQkf1.jpg some people thought this was a solid slab
11:45 PM hazzy-lab: So you are putting the X2 column on the X1?
11:46 PM `Wolf: the extended X/Y kit for the X1 LMS sells is actually a X2 table from one of the models they don’t sell in the US
11:46 PM hazzy-lab: Man, am I spoiled
11:47 PM `Wolf: I milled this thing with the X1 https://i.imgur.com/l7KoMTm.jpg lol
11:47 PM hazzy-lab: Ah, I always wondered about that, so they are not custom made
11:47 PM hazzy-lab: Thats nice work! I would not have the patience
11:48 PM `Wolf: http://www.siegind.com/milling-machine-14998241532434945.html
11:48 PM `Wolf: I cheated, I used two of the screw holes to line up the 2nd op
11:49 PM `Wolf: X2P mill table and SX1P
11:50 PM hazzy-lab: I did not realize they made that many variations
11:50 PM `Wolf: yeah, thats cause all we see is the X2 with the junk tilt column lol
11:50 PM `Wolf: and the X1
11:52 PM MrHindsight: https://postimg.cc/image/6hxl59o2j/ what to do with?
11:53 PM `Wolf: https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=2642&category=2122081963 + the extended Y kit, and parts from the LMS Hightorque mill
11:53 PM skunkworks: yumm what is it from?
11:54 PM hazzy-lab: MrHindsight: That makes me drool
11:54 PM `Wolf: I say use it to make a 3d printer
11:54 PM MrHindsight: he brand spanking new
11:54 PM `Wolf: =P
11:54 PM MrHindsight: he/heh
11:55 PM MrHindsight: was probably for the X or Y on a EDM
11:56 PM `Wolf: make it 520mm and send it here, I cut my Z screw too short for my X2 lol
11:58 PM `Wolf: hmm, I’m not sure how to get a oil line in to this X axis nut
11:59 PM MrHindsight: skunkworks: how are things up there?