#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 29 2018

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12:32 AM fragalot: hi
12:35 AM jesseg: howdy
12:36 AM miss0r: mornin'
12:43 AM fragalot: miss0r: didyafixthediesel?
12:43 AM miss0r: yep
12:44 AM miss0r: purring like a kitteh
12:44 AM fragalot: they're not supposed to :/
12:45 AM miss0r: yeah well.. What the hell do I know :D
12:47 AM miss0r: it had alot of stuff wrong with it actualy. Worst of all, the chassis/gnd connection was eroded away. Then came the starter relay with alot of smudge on the contacts. and THEN main main breaker was bad. I had to replace that one
12:48 AM miss0r: That did it. After that it just sprang right to life when egnited
12:48 AM miss0r: ignited*
12:48 AM fragalot: well there aren't all that many other parts to go wrong with a diesel, lol
12:48 AM Wolf__: old diesel yes, newer one, not so simple
12:49 AM fragalot: of course
12:49 AM fragalot: but we don't talk about those
12:49 AM miss0r: so true
12:49 AM miss0r: but this is an old one
12:49 AM Wolf__: I have a ’12 and ’15…
12:49 AM miss0r: new diesels are like toilet paper. Use once and then throw out
12:50 AM Wolf__: if something is wrong, usually its electrical or emissions control related
12:51 AM miss0r: yeah... I don't like new diesels that much. I like the old industrial diesels
12:52 AM miss0r: fragalot: do you have any vacation comming up?
12:53 AM fragalot: miss0r: I do - going to iceland in 2 weeks
12:53 AM miss0r: I like iceland :] Ever been there before?
12:53 AM fragalot: which means that the 2 or 3 weeks around that period i'm unlikely to be able to get time off again
12:53 AM fragalot: I haven't, no :-)
12:54 AM Wolf__: latest issue my 6.7lt ford had… cam position sensor wiring, needless to say it was causing a few codes https://i.imgur.com/QPJlVSM.jpg
12:54 AM fragalot: wth did you do to that :P
12:54 AM fragalot: do they not use silicone insulation on wires that may get hot in the US?
12:55 AM miss0r: I'll ask the wife (because I can't remember such things) We ate at the PERFECT restaurant at a harbour there. very small place - the kinda place the locals eat. You go in and point at the meat you'd like in their cooler window, then they'd put it on a stick and grill it. Must be the best whale beef i've ever had.
12:55 AM miss0r: Very nice atmosphere
12:55 AM fragalot: sure :-)
12:55 AM Wolf__: nothing, crap insulation fell off the wiring inside the wire loom
12:55 AM fragalot: we'll be sticking to the south
12:55 AM miss0r: yeah, I can't remember where this was. I'll ask ;)
12:56 AM Wolf__: most of the wiring harnesses in the ford say made in Mexico iirc
12:56 AM miss0r: that thing looks like it was hot at some point
12:57 AM miss0r: I guess that is like saying 'Made in romania' if you come from europe
12:57 AM Wolf__: 5v ref, gnd and signal return… doubt that the wire got hot
12:57 AM fragalot: Wolf__: it IS surrounded by an engine that typically runs at 100°C
12:58 AM fragalot: and whatever else is in that wiring harness
12:58 AM Wolf__: only those 3 wires and it doesn’t run that hot, its on the front of the motor
12:59 AM fragalot: cookin' in the sun?
12:59 AM RyanS: miss0r: the chineseium boring bar worked as a good HSS bit holder. the thinner black part just hacksawed off. LOL
12:59 AM Wolf__: might make it to 50C maybe…
01:00 AM miss0r: RyanS: what thinner black part? :S
01:01 AM RyanS: of the cheap boring bar, the part the tip is brazed onto
01:02 AM fragalot: that's just mild steel isn't it?
01:02 AM fragalot: if you're lucky
01:02 AM fragalot: :P
01:02 AM RyanS: I think they temper those back into the durometer scale :P
01:03 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:03 AM RyanS: it appears to be just lightly case hardened
01:04 AM miss0r: hmm.. Indeed
01:04 AM miss0r: I would assume they were made from compressed cans
01:04 AM miss0r: perhaps the outer layer was made from a discarted SPAM can.. they are pretty tough
01:04 AM RyanS: pewter
01:05 AM RyanS: maybe it's babbitt lol
01:09 AM RyanS: Ich are you familiar with DBK products? I'm trying to get my hands on https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DBK-Heizlufter-Typhoon-25/201235375139?hash=item2eda902423:g:Vv4AAOSw2XFUgxyt but the 10W version. know of any electronics places that might sell to Australia?
01:13 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, how is it down under
01:13 AM IchGucksLive: here sun is rising temps are climbing
01:14 AM RyanS: it's really bloody cold
01:14 AM IchGucksLive: in mid winter normal
01:14 AM RyanS: but that is Melbourne for you
01:15 AM IchGucksLive: .weather melbourne
01:16 AM IchGucksLive: the bot is nt on
01:16 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden water is all plants need at this head wave
01:17 AM RyanS: 8 to 12°
01:18 AM CaptHindsight: I'll trade you, it' 90's all through the weekend
01:19 AM RyanS: what's that in °C?
01:19 AM CaptHindsight: 30's C
01:20 AM RyanS: 32, nice
01:20 AM RyanS: it's a deal
01:20 AM RyanS: you can have my 10°
01:21 AM CaptHindsight: used to be a reg in here from Melbourne
01:22 AM RyanS: me I've been here for ages but yet to build a CNC
01:25 AM RyanS: steppers can run on AC voltage?! https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/digital-stepper-driver/digital-stepper-driver-24-72a-18-80vac-or-36-110vdc-for-nema-34-motor-dm860t.html
01:27 AM RyanS: or does this have an internal ACDC power supply?
01:27 AM CaptHindsight: looks like they have a built in DC power supply
01:28 AM miss0r: meh! If it gets any more humid here I'll need to start wearing a snorkel to catch my breath
01:29 AM RyanS: so you just need a toroidal transformer without a bridge rectifier?
01:35 AM CaptHindsight: not sure what that drive requires or how well it performs
01:35 AM CaptHindsight: how it handles reverse EMF from a motor
01:36 AM CaptHindsight: I have stepper and servo drives that operate from 120-240VAC
01:36 AM CaptHindsight: single and three phase
01:37 AM CaptHindsight: the internal power supplier are well designed
01:37 AM CaptHindsight: that Chinaco thing probably isn't
01:37 AM RyanS: I thought they were Leadshine knockoffs, but they're actually manufactured by Leadshine.. just a 1/3 of the price
01:40 AM CaptHindsight: might be, never used them
01:41 AM RyanS: 18-80 VAC input is a bit wierd -- I guess it still requres a transformer so not saving much space on components
03:01 AM IchGucksLive: hi
03:01 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, still on
03:06 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, if you read the logs go for the DM856 mutch better hysteresis on DC 72V
03:07 AM IchGucksLive: the T ones are the FAKE D is to be min OR simply see DEFAULT in microstepsettings
03:08 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
04:22 AM RyanS: fake d?
05:14 AM Deejay: hi
05:30 AM jthornton: morning
05:36 AM RyanS: its a shame DIN rail PSUs only go up to 5A would have made for a tidy control cabinet
05:37 AM * jthornton better go hide his PSU's that are bigger than 5A
05:38 AM Loetmichel: hihi, i should really get a new PSU for my tinker-notebook here... using a 15V 6A bench PSU and a car converter at the moment... Funny effect: on an empty battery in the notebook you'll see the current rise from 3A running idle to 6A... then the bench PSU goes from CV into CC mode for a spit second, current goes down to 3A... rising slowly over 10 sec, *CC-klick* down to 3A again...
05:38 AM RyanS: at least not these suppliers
05:39 AM gregcnc: 500W is common
05:41 AM jthornton: .weather
05:41 AM jthornton: hmm bot is down
05:41 AM jthornton: excessive heat warning today here
05:41 AM RyanS: frigging cold
05:42 AM XXCoder: here its even 70f
05:42 AM XXCoder: last week was hot, but cool since
05:42 AM jthornton: 72°F here
05:43 AM XXCoder: last week was constant 80s-90s ugh
05:43 AM jthornton: heat index 110°F today
05:43 AM XXCoder: I look "forward" to july and worse, aug :(
05:44 AM gregcnc: any portable AC worth a damn?
05:45 AM XXCoder: im considering ac also
05:45 AM XXCoder: my room has essentally no isulation
05:46 AM jthornton: I like the LG window units
05:47 AM gloops: we might break the 1976 record here
05:47 AM gloops: 15 consecutive days of 30C +
05:48 AM gloops: i remember 1976 i thought it had already been hotter this year, apparently not..yet
05:55 AM XXCoder: record breaking is easier and easier to come
06:03 AM * jthornton wanders off to make the mash for the children
06:17 AM * SpeedEvil cues 'the monster mash'.
06:18 AM * jthornton has that song
06:21 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
06:21 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, still here
06:21 AM RyanS: yep
06:22 AM IchGucksLive: hi there are din rail clipd for menawell psu available
06:22 AM IchGucksLive: and there are 10A 48V psu also
06:23 AM RyanS: they have this one https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/digital-stepper-driver/digital-stepper-drive-24-72a-20-80vdc-for-nema-34-stepper-motor-cnc-kit-dm860i.html regarding drivers
06:23 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, be aware there are lots of fake leadshine out
06:23 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, if you trust me you shoudt go for the DM556D
06:24 AM IchGucksLive: or for the original 556
06:24 AM IchGucksLive: but the newer ones DM856 are a hell of improvments
06:24 AM IchGucksLive: not so commen available
06:25 AM IchGucksLive: the real digital are programmable and got a RS232
06:25 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, you can se it as Default printed on it
06:25 AM RyanS: this is stepper online the manual says manufactured by Leadshine
06:25 AM IchGucksLive: if it starts with 400steps/rev on printing it is not a good one but it will work
06:26 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, it is
06:26 AM IchGucksLive: but not by the manufacture you expect
06:27 AM IchGucksLive: there are at most the old version like DM556 the lowcost DM556T or H and the DM556D witch is OEM
06:27 AM RyanS: DM556 ( labelled Leadshine ) will cost $160 Australian:-(
06:28 AM RyanS: 80 euros I think
06:28 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, and the newest DM856
06:28 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, i paid 150Euros 4 pices
06:31 AM RyanS: DM556 enough current for https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/nema-34-stepper-motor/keyway-dual-shaft-nema-34-cnc-stepper-motor-45nm-637ozin-55a-86x86x80mm-34hs31-5504d.html i like the strain relief cable
06:32 AM IchGucksLive: i see 50AU¼
06:34 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, the nema24 4Nm got more speed
06:34 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, store in Regents Park, NSW, Australia
06:34 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nema-24-Stepper-Motor-4Nm-3A-8-wire-8mm-Dual-Shaft-CNC-Mill-Lathe-Laser-Router/171934133889
06:35 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, with this you need only one psu for XYZ
06:35 AM IchGucksLive: 48V 10.6A
06:35 AM IchGucksLive: and it is din rail
06:37 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, https://www.ebay.com.au/str/au-stepperonline
06:39 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DC48V-500W-10-4A-Switching-Power-Supply-115V-230V-to-Stepper-Motor-DIY-CNC-Route/171934155612
06:39 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, arent you around Northwest
06:40 AM RyanS: south
06:40 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, i think it is best to go with this shop and take some Hints
06:41 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, low cost parts and good for 4m/min
06:41 AM IchGucksLive: with the T brigs
06:42 AM RyanS: yeah it's stepper online I bought a 23 stepper from them before
06:42 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, did he charge shipment as i dont see this
06:43 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, it is up to your decicion
06:43 AM RyanS: I can't recall
06:43 AM IchGucksLive: i hee in germany got 4 ruunning mashines waiting for ER16 clamps to arrive since 3 weeks
06:44 AM RyanS: I was hoping for 5 or 6 m/min
06:44 AM IchGucksLive: the wirechains arrived earlier then expected NICE
06:44 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, is it a plasma
06:45 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, depending on mass of router axis and precision 0,02mm per step i say yes
06:46 AM IchGucksLive: with 0,01mm/step or even lower i dident mange to go that numbers
06:46 AM IchGucksLive: WITHOUT MESA ofcause
06:46 AM RyanS: yeah the hypertherm manual has 5560mm/min 2mm mild steel. maybe I drop to 35A to lower the speed?
06:47 AM IchGucksLive: the 7i76 gets to that easy 100Vel 900ACC no problem
06:47 AM IchGucksLive: is it a hypertherm 45
06:48 AM IchGucksLive: i run at 3400mm/min at 28-30A
06:48 AM RyanS: I have a 7i76e
06:48 AM IchGucksLive: then you are on
06:48 AM IchGucksLive: even the 542T will do that on the mesa
06:49 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, cable to stepper is max 0,75mm²
06:49 AM RyanS: ok but does the cut quality reduce if I drop the amps?
06:49 AM IchGucksLive: 4x0,75 oelflex 110 chain
06:49 AM IchGucksLive: CUT quality has lots of acts
06:49 AM IchGucksLive: Humanity
06:50 AM IchGucksLive: THC speed
06:50 AM IchGucksLive: the Grounding of the table
06:50 AM IchGucksLive: the cleaness of the airflow
06:50 AM IchGucksLive: the quality of the torque
06:51 AM IchGucksLive: on amazon are spare parts that are not worth the money to spend
06:52 AM RyanS: so are NEMA 34 slower because the rotor has more inertia?
06:53 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, Plasma parts my brother makes http://schwedenfeuer.de/feuersauelen.htm
06:53 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, it needs more power and is slower a max of 220RPM
06:53 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, while the Nema 23 can go at 500RPM
06:54 AM IchGucksLive: the 24 is near the same with more torque
06:54 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, i got one plasma 2500x1500 on 2Nm with 30:1 worm gear
06:55 AM IchGucksLive: Rack pinion
06:55 AM IchGucksLive: it is on the old 5i25 7i76 and goes up to 10m
06:55 AM IchGucksLive: per min
06:56 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, did you go for hypertherm cnc or the od one
06:57 AM IchGucksLive: oh i forgot i run the 2A throu a 5x0,5mm² 7meter cable
06:57 AM IchGucksLive: the 4x0,75 gave alot of problems EMI relaited
06:58 AM IchGucksLive: the 5th line is Grounded
06:58 AM IchGucksLive: Stepepr Frame
06:58 AM RyanS: 45XP is the cnc one with cpc port and machine torch
06:58 AM IchGucksLive: cpc do they all have
06:59 AM IchGucksLive: its the internal thc they got spare
06:59 AM IchGucksLive: and the 50:1 divider
06:59 AM IchGucksLive: so you got 0-10V THC
06:59 AM IchGucksLive: as i most run on 112V
07:00 AM RyanS: it also has RS485 to adjust current but I wouldn't have a clue how to program linuxCNC for that
07:00 AM IchGucksLive: there is a modbus serial
07:00 AM IchGucksLive: and you get a sidepanel for Adj
07:01 AM RyanS: don't worm gearbox have huge backlash
07:01 AM IchGucksLive: but most 99% of the time i dont need it
07:01 AM IchGucksLive: no there are precision sets
07:02 AM RyanS: the precision planetary are way over my budget
07:02 AM IchGucksLive: http://maedler.de/product/1643/1331/1978/1367/schneckengetriebe-gii-bis-14-nm-a33mm
07:02 AM IchGucksLive: as you see there are only the 3 available cnc guys need
07:03 AM IchGucksLive: hi gloops
07:03 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, still on fire
07:03 AM gloops: well, didnt really play to win i dont think Ichs
07:03 AM gloops: maybe beat Columbia next
07:03 AM IchGucksLive: we are out
07:04 AM IchGucksLive: so what
07:04 AM gloops: yes, bit of a surprise
07:04 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS, im called off
07:04 AM IchGucksLive: till late RyanS
07:04 AM IchGucksLive: 7pm Berlin time
07:04 AM RyanS: bye
07:06 AM gloops: England have got the easy route, Colombia next, then sweden or switzerland, also less travelling
07:06 AM gloops: but you can never tell, colombia might be storming this year
07:06 AM gloops: and Brazil might not be
08:05 AM rebecca: spindle coolant idea. using a long run of garden hose into an outside/cool place for the radiator. coupled with a minimal sized reservoir for the immersed pump located slightly above the spindle height so that the pump has zero head height to fight.
08:06 AM * SpeedEvil sings the 'hose in different area codes' song.
08:07 AM SpeedEvil: Freezing in some climates may be a concern.
08:07 AM rebecca: not in mine :)
08:07 AM rebecca: sydney, aust
08:08 AM RyanS: IDK Melbourne is freezing right now
08:08 AM SpeedEvil: It's not at all an insane idea.
08:08 AM rebecca: cool
08:09 AM SpeedEvil: As long as the hose is OK with the coolant, and especially if you have a level detector.
08:09 AM rebecca: i noticed the documentation for my spindle warns to keep coolant temp low
08:09 AM rebecca: and my little shed workshop can be an oven in the summer
08:09 AM rebecca: so moving heat outside it sounds optimal
08:10 AM SpeedEvil: Or the alternative is to insulate your shed.
08:10 AM rebecca: nah, rental we don't intend to stay in particularly long
08:10 AM SpeedEvil: ah
08:11 AM rebecca: i built the shed but it's too big to move.
08:12 AM rebecca: it's built on a wooden frame atop blocks. ventilated space underneath is shaded and relatively cool
08:30 AM veek: cool page on grinding wheels https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=72226&p=1
09:22 AM JT-Shop: yea I sold that portable AC unit and gave away the old window unit... more empty floor
09:25 AM Roguish: JT-Shop: hey, good morning. you run Mint desktop, right? is it Mint on debian, or the full Mint distro?
09:26 AM JT-Shop: yes I have several pc's with Linux Mint OS and I use the Mate desktop in Mint and Debian
09:29 AM Roguish: I have seen a comment from cmorely that he thinks MINT (full distro i think) is far superior to debian.
09:29 AM JT-Shop: what do you mean full distro?
09:30 AM Roguish: https://www.linuxmint.com/
09:30 AM JT-Shop: and what do you mean by Mint on debian?
09:31 AM Roguish: using the distro from there, as opposed to installing in a debian distro.
09:31 AM Roguish: or maybe i'm all confused.....
09:31 AM JT-Shop: I'm not following how you can install one distro into another?
09:32 AM JT-Shop: maybe your confusing the desktop Mate with the OS Mint
09:32 AM Roguish: that may be.
09:33 AM Roguish: how's installing linuxcnc on the MINT distro?
09:34 AM JT-Shop: it's not too bad you can get the rtpreempt kernel from the synaptic package manager IIRC
09:34 AM * JT-Shop wanders to the other shop see you there
09:34 AM Roguish: yeah. thanks. i gotta run too. bbl
09:44 AM veek: what are cylindrical grinding wheels used for http://www.cgwheels.com/cylindrical-grinding-wheels
09:45 AM veek: oh hmm cylindrical grinder
11:14 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by kornbluth.freenode.net
11:16 AM enleth_ is now known as enleth
11:25 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:34 AM miss0r|office: hello ich
11:36 AM fragalot: Hey
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
11:58 AM gloops: try this in oak now https://ibb.co/nLejmd
12:01 PM gloops: Josh Denny shared his first post.
12:01 PM gloops: New Member · 5 hrs
12:01 PM gloops: Is there anyone on here that would know anything about licuxcnc i have a old bridgeport cnc thats been retrofitted it has the original stepper motors a pmdx 126 pmdx 134 and g203v drivers and it is running licuxcnc but i never messed with linux before and this is my frist cnc and im trying to get it working im not sure how to configure it in linuxcnc i tryed everything i can find on the internet and still cant get the steppers to
12:01 PM gloops: move at all
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, alot of lines for the background
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, he needs to unplug the ENA and its ground on the driver so first asll drivers are on
12:07 PM gloops: yeah have been experimenting, bigger ballnose looks more like hand carved
12:07 PM gloops: it does look good from a distance though
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, then depending on new BOB or old one change invert
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, better to shape the letter last
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: contouring
12:08 PM gloops: i told him to come here, think there is a charge pump
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: a 100 euro retrofit woudt give him more options but it is ok
12:10 PM gloops: Josh Denny The berakout board is pmdx 126 and it has a ribbon cable going to a pmdx 134 that is acrossed all the g203v drivers
12:10 PM gloops: sounds complicated
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: there are 4 REV
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: E-Stop circuitry
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: it has its own M driver
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, 180USD
12:14 PM gloops: so the E-stop probably causing the problem?
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: lots of hints there as smooth stepper optimated 2parport from one
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: its a serial to parport bob
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: great chalenge
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, what has been his effort to change as he choosen M in forst place
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: first
12:16 PM gloops: he has no idea i dont think, he said he saw it all working when he bought it - not working now hes moved it
12:16 PM gloops: DIY CNC machines, on facebook
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, i getting crazy on some numbers as i only use low cost
12:17 PM * fragalot whispers "ground wire"
12:17 PM gloops: fragalot another obvious one, but its the first time hes even opened linuxcnc - could be any number of easy ones
12:18 PM fragalot: do you think he's clicked the ESTOP & ENABLE buttons in axis,
12:18 PM gloops: says he has
12:18 PM fragalot: homed?
12:18 PM gloops: hes run stepconfig loads of times
12:18 PM fragalot: ah so he's messed up the pinout most likely :P
12:19 PM gloops: dont know if hes homed, older version of linuxcnc wont need to be homed i dont think
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, a low calculation on China5ABob 5Euros + 3xDM556 80Euros + PSU 500W 48V 45Euros and 3x NEMA24 4Nm 75 euro woudt come 10 euros more at mutch more speed
12:19 PM gloops: ahh well, he should come here and he would get it working
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, always 7pm Berlin time is German time ;-)
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, i confust the austrian this morning on calculations and low cost Australien parts
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: so im done for today
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: PARTY time its 28deg outside
12:21 PM fragalot: have fun IchGucksLive
12:21 PM gloops: yes have a nice evening
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: .wather pirmasens
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: .weather Pirmasens
12:21 PM gloops: no beer for me until this heat is gone, i cant stand it
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: cokerei not online
12:21 PM fragalot: gloops: that's OK, you don't have beer in the UK anyway
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: sausiches and tost
12:22 PM gloops: fragalot wetherspoon has banned EU beer - better beer from australia and cheaper
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: and ofcause baked beans on tomato souce
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: CO2 friendly ofcause
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, ask him for the REV of the 126
12:23 PM gloops: you cant beat tea - and water
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: milk
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8 watch some stars tonight jupiter is quite nice up
12:24 PM gloops: good idea, could get some milky way photos
12:33 PM Roguish: hey all. is the forum up? or down?
12:35 PM pcw_mesa: Works for me
12:39 PM Roguish: pcw_mesa: not here. tried both firefox and chrome.
12:43 PM jthornton: works down in the beer cave
12:45 PM fragalot: Roguish: try www.isup.me
12:45 PM Roguish: that's a no go also.
12:46 PM fragalot: odd.
12:52 PM _methods: comcast is apparently having some major outage that is affecting a lot of people
12:52 PM _methods: oh nm he left
12:56 PM fragalot: maybe he hasn't paid for his linuxcnc forum subscription license
01:06 PM Roguish: fragalot: back up now. messed around with router dns settings. forum is good to go for me now.
01:07 PM Roguish: could you repeat that other link you put up?
01:08 PM fragalot: isup.me
01:09 PM Roguish: www.isup.me errors not found
01:10 PM Roguish: server not found.
01:15 PM gloops: what router do you have Roguish?
01:16 PM Roguish: asus rt-ac56
01:16 PM Roguish: change the dns to
01:16 PM gloops: oh ..router...lol
01:17 PM fragalot: Roguish: it's because you didn't pay the forum subscription license with your ISP
01:17 PM Roguish: ?????????????
01:17 PM Tom_L: nuthin's free anymore !
01:18 PM Roguish: not with our jackass president and congress
01:18 PM Roguish: that would be invertabrate and immasculate congress
01:19 PM fragalot: Roguish: net neutrality gone == "lol pay for this"
01:19 PM Roguish: (nutless and spineless)
01:23 PM gloops: economy doing well
01:56 PM gloops: started cutting yet lcvette?
01:59 PM lcvette: nope
02:01 PM gloops: seems to be taking a long time to get up and running
02:08 PM lcvette: gloops: one thing at a time
02:09 PM lcvette: https://imgur.com/onvcOIR
02:11 PM gloops: that would buy a decent car lcvette
02:11 PM gregcnc: did you change your instagram name?
02:12 PM lcvette: small shop concepts
02:12 PM gregcnc: ah figured, but didn't try
02:12 PM lcvette: making everything the same
02:12 PM lcvette: youtube and instagram
02:12 PM JT-Shop: I guess I should go paint the bathroom ceiling...
02:13 PM gloops: so what're gonna be making lcvette?
02:14 PM lcvette: i have a small business
02:14 PM lcvette: i do mainly prototype work inhouse
02:14 PM gregcnc: fun stuff
02:15 PM lcvette: some light prodution for early beta product
02:15 PM lcvette: but then outsource heavy runs
02:16 PM lcvette: i just needed a bigger envelope and i wanted to add some rigidity and 4th and 5th axis eventually
02:18 PM lcvette: I have far more in TTS holders and tooling than BT30
02:18 PM lcvette: https://imgur.com/V13ySNs
02:19 PM lcvette: think at last count something like 143 tts holders
02:20 PM gregcnc: dang
02:20 PM lcvette: accumulated over 10 years
02:21 PM gloops: must be paying well then
02:22 PM lcvette: i pay very well
02:22 PM lcvette: lol
02:22 PM lcvette: ask all my vendors
02:22 PM lcvette: hahaha
02:23 PM lcvette: i generally buy the chinese tts holders in large lumps
02:23 PM gloops: come clean lcvette, youre making some right cash here
02:23 PM gregcnc: isn't that the point?
02:23 PM lcvette: 20-30 a whack to save money
02:23 PM gloops: yes
02:23 PM fragalot: man shiny's lcvette
02:23 PM gloops: everything is spotlessly clean
02:23 PM lcvette: at that qty i was getting them at the time for $8-9/holder
02:24 PM gloops: thats a sign of well paid work
02:24 PM gregcnc: or OCD
02:24 PM gloops: or that yes
02:24 PM gloops: everyone else just brushes the rubbish to one side and throws the next job on
02:25 PM fragalot: or having to buy your own tools
02:25 PM fragalot: and wanthing things to last a while
02:25 PM gregcnc: if there are walls of Lista cabinets filled with carbide and mitutoyo.....
02:25 PM lcvette: fragalot: knows whats up
02:26 PM lcvette: cared for products take care of you
02:26 PM fragalot: :-)
02:26 PM gregcnc: yeah don't drop the mics
02:27 PM fragalot: but if you do
02:27 PM fragalot: please.. just tell who'mever is responsible for 'm
02:27 PM lcvette: carbide is expensive
02:27 PM lcvette: have nice tool storage
02:27 PM gloops: that might have applied in the old days
02:27 PM lcvette: don't drop them
02:27 PM gloops: when a workman bought a tool it had to last many years
02:27 PM lcvette: same here
02:27 PM lcvette: many of my endmills are years old
02:27 PM gloops: these days nobody cares, do the job, throw the tool away
02:28 PM fragalot: I wouldn't care if one of my employees dropped a mic, as long as they let me know so I can check and/or replace it if needed
02:28 PM gregcnc: who throws mics away?
02:28 PM lcvette: keep my coolant filtered and clean
02:28 PM gloops: ive seen people sweeping good tools up without even bothering to pick them up
02:28 PM fragalot: but shuffling it back into it's box hoping nobody would notice would not be acceptable
02:28 PM lcvette: don't mix materials and endmills
02:29 PM fragalot: lcvette: another pet peeve :P first doing cast & then using that same endmill for 316L
02:29 PM lcvette: every tool has a place every tool in its place
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: went to HF to get gloves the other day and noticed they now have AC TIG welders
02:29 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: HV or lift?
02:30 PM gloops: i could do with a cheap one of those
02:30 PM lcvette: little things make differences
02:30 PM fragalot: lcvette: doing cast or steel first & then machining 316L isn't a small difference :/
02:30 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.harborfreight.com/protig-200-welder-with-120240-volt-input-63619.html
02:30 PM fragalot: damn thing corrodes if you look at it funny
02:31 PM lcvette: if i do cast the machine gets a full cleaning out
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: didn't look at the features, just noticed how low the duty cycles were
02:31 PM lcvette: that crap is nasty
02:31 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: haha
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: they might be a deal for sheet metal
02:31 PM gregcnc: I'm going to try to rig a vaccum to an extra M code for cast in the lathe
02:34 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/Welder-Stahlwerk-Ac-dc-TIG-170-St-IGBT-Pulse-Profi-Inverter-Welding-Machine/14019002642?
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: a tool in time saves 9?
02:34 PM gloops: £400
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: not it
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: we don't have those here
02:34 PM gregcnc: I was at Adams and looked at the blue welders
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: £
02:35 PM fragalot: gloops: 170A, and the fact they don't mention the duty-cycle of it does nto ring confidence
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: have you been to the newish place on main near the tracks?
02:35 PM gloops: 170a fine for ally
02:35 PM fragalot: gloops: not if the DC is only 1°%
02:35 PM fragalot: 10°
02:36 PM gregcnc: no. I get material at Adams
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: ah
02:36 PM gregcnc: they are also blue
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: Welders Supply, you have to know what you want since they push all the 2x the price rods and wire
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: I said " hey this is 2x what I usually pay" and they said "oh we have other brands in back"
02:38 PM gregcnc: hah
02:38 PM fragalot: gloops: I reckon you should buy one & see if it's any good.. perhaps i'll upgrade my decades old contimac
02:38 PM fragalot: getting tired of lift TIG :P
02:39 PM gregcnc: if i can convince myself I have the need I think I like the Diversion 180.
02:39 PM gloops: i probably wont be buying one anytime soon, too many other things to get done first
02:39 PM gregcnc: oh that rebate expires tomorrow
02:41 PM fragalot: https://www.stahlwerk-schweissgeraete.de/en/TIG-AC-DC-Welders-with-Pulse/AC-DC-TIG-200-Pulse-S/Welder-STAHLWERK-AC-DC-TIG-200-PULSE-S.html
02:41 PM fragalot: wouldn't mind trying that toy
02:42 PM fragalot: nice having many-a-knobs rather than the 15 levels deep menu structure the lastek one I used to run had
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/200A-Commercial-Quality-AC-DC-Tig-Stick-Welder-from-The-Welder-Repair-Guy/253080015959
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: I got one of these a couple years ago. All the parts are on ebay
02:45 PM lcvette: can i mix metric and inch in the tool table?
02:45 PM fragalot: lcvette: even if you could,.. ew. :P
02:46 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: that looks similar
02:46 PM CaptHindsight: same settings available, just about everything
02:47 PM fragalot: aye
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: 20A 208VAC was not enough for stick welding at 100%
02:47 PM lcvette: so is that a no?
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: night have been that it was 208V vs 240V
02:48 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: good job I run 20A 240V on standard sockets & could do 3x25A 240V in my shed then
02:48 PM gregcnc: i don't think so, why would mixing be necessary?
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: was stick welding 1/4"
02:49 PM fragalot: can do up to 60A if I wanted to too.. just need to replace a cable
02:49 PM fragalot: :P
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: all I have now is 200A 208VAC 3ph
02:50 PM fragalot: can't get 200A on a normal home connection here
02:50 PM fragalot: they only give you up to 60A
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: move into a factory :)
02:50 PM fragalot: :D
02:50 PM lcvette: im just a little confused at the moment is all. since i converted my config to inches, all is well
02:50 PM fragalot: friend of mine had to shell out €15k to get his shop's connection replaced
02:51 PM CaptHindsight: man it hot oday, losing my t's and s's
02:51 PM lcvette: but my tool table was filled with metric tools (not by me) not sure but i think maybe as a example?
02:51 PM fragalot: (came from the previous owners' house, 60A 400V,.. his new connection had to come in from a different road that had no 400V runs....)
02:51 PM lcvette: just trying to decipher how this all works in here
02:51 PM CaptHindsight: yeah the power co's really charge for extra equipment
02:52 PM lcvette: there is no mm or in
02:52 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: belgium is being belgium again btw
02:52 PM fragalot: they're starting to roll out "smart meters" rather than the standard mechanical ones for power
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: it's about the same here for a transformer and a 3p drop to residential
02:52 PM lcvette: so im guessing that since i changed everything in the ini to inches that the tool table values are in inches?
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: if they even offer
02:52 PM fragalot: which will use LoRa, which has been rolled out by Orange here for years
02:52 PM fragalot: naturally, the infrastructure companies are setting up their own too now for nearly a year
02:52 PM lcvette: T1 P1 D4.500000 Z-69.555700 ;4.5 mm 3 flute cutter
02:52 PM lcvette: as an example
02:53 PM fragalot: so they signed a contract with proximus, a government subsidiary, to use their network
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: as long as you keep shipping ales I don't mind
02:53 PM fragalot: which isn't set up at all yet
02:53 PM fragalot: :D
02:53 PM fragalot: lcvette: I would assume so, but I could be wrong.
02:53 PM lcvette: thats my concern
02:54 PM lcvette: pretty important to know that for certain
02:54 PM fragalot: write a small gcode script to try?
02:54 PM gregcnc: "The units used for the length, diameter, etc., are in machine units."
02:54 PM lcvette: ok
02:54 PM lcvette: thats what I hoped
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: AC is blasting in the shop and it's 82F
02:54 PM fragalot: same here
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: 28C
02:55 PM fragalot: open plan house --> little portable aircon unit = useless because i'm at the other end of the house
02:57 PM gloops: liking the box https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34560475_943986472473716_8317617426162253824_n.jpg?
02:57 PM fragalot: bad URL
02:57 PM fragalot: apparently
02:57 PM gloops: https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34560475_943986472473716_8317617426162253824_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=4ab1c2c0b59ea5dd47177ceda6e89aad&oe=5BEB5D2D
02:57 PM fragalot: lot of work, not my thing
02:58 PM fragalot: but it DOES keep people from stacking things on top, I guess :-)
02:58 PM gloops: six sides to set up, unless rotary, tis a lot of messing
02:58 PM gloops: also the texture on each plane needs to run into the adjacent ones
02:59 PM gloops: hand carved
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: so precision is not an issue
03:00 PM fragalot: or at least hand sanded
03:00 PM gloops: well, im guessing its hand done
03:00 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: it's art. :-) so no.
03:01 PM gloops: so long as the lid shuts
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: cnc made to look hand carved is usually easy, just keep it sloppy
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: I can't count how mnay time I've had this discussion with "art galleries"
03:01 PM gregcnc: designing sloppy CAD is harder than it sounds
03:02 PM fragalot: gregcnc: run the STL through a wobbler
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: you just use machines made by lots of people that come through here :)
03:02 PM Nick001-shop_ is now known as Nick001-shop
03:02 PM gloops: that box would be ok about 3ft accross
03:02 PM fragalot: hehe
03:02 PM gloops: otherwise its just clutter
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: natural play and variances that add to the look and feel of the craftsmanship
03:03 PM gloops: very difficult to machine hand made
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: yah think until yah try
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: oh well enough fun for today
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: back to humidity
03:04 PM gloops: what temp CaptHindsight?
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: ~130% humidity in the shade
03:05 PM fragalot: lol
03:05 PM gregcnc: so much rain last week
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: 95F/ 35C
03:05 PM fragalot: gregcnc: give us some please
03:06 PM gregcnc: my sump pump is finally calming down today
03:06 PM fragalot: drought measures are being put in place here
03:06 PM gloops: tea and cucumber sandwiches
03:06 PM fragalot: replace tea with cold water with a slice of lemon in it
03:06 PM gloops: british solution to heat/humidity
03:07 PM gloops: from India
03:17 PM gloops: well, i saw some americans, on Louis Theroux, some southern state
03:17 PM XXCoder: omg
03:17 PM XXCoder: we americans are so rare
03:18 PM gloops: they were sat round a fire - on the fire was a bucket of boiling fat, these yanks all had a massive steak on a long fork dangling in the fat
03:18 PM XXCoder: wow. rarer breed of americans
03:19 PM gloops: it seems to be the culture to eat and drink everything thats hard on the body
03:19 PM lcvette: you guys with tapered tool holders, do any of you measure tooling offline?
03:20 PM XXCoder: lcvette: you mean CAT type, like cat 40, cat 50?
03:20 PM lcvette: yeah
03:20 PM XXCoder: well theres few ways to do it
03:20 PM cradek: I did for a bit, but it was a pain
03:20 PM XXCoder: at work we have thick steel stand for cat with smooth bottom and coned hole on top
03:20 PM lcvette: with the TTS ive done both way
03:21 PM XXCoder: it serves as common reference point, we measure tool length there, and we use special "tool" thats just long taper then gauge rod at end
03:21 PM XXCoder: its measured and used as z finder
03:21 PM XXCoder: say if special one is 6.35"
03:22 PM lcvette: gotcha
03:22 PM XXCoder: its touching z top (gauge cant slide) so you subtract 6.35" and gauge thickness
03:22 PM lcvette: it sets the reference height
03:22 PM XXCoder: tool lengths you simply input directly (from top of cat holder to top)
03:23 PM XXCoder: so it serves as common reference point
03:24 PM XXCoder: older method (slowly phased away) is this, common reference point is top of 123 block on machine table
03:24 PM XXCoder: tool is simply lowered till block cant be slided under it
03:24 PM XXCoder: and use dial test indictor to zero on that, then find part coord from that
03:25 PM XXCoder: its bit annoying
03:25 PM lcvette: right
03:26 PM XXCoder: so its your preference really
03:26 PM XXCoder: my home machine its set each time tool change because its simply er11 no toolholder
03:26 PM lcvette: i need to find a BT30 ground cone and then have the face ground to match my spindle face i think
03:26 PM lcvette: put it in granite surface plate leveled
03:27 PM lcvette: then i can do it quick and easy
03:27 PM lcvette: plop em in measure with dial indicator record on to next tool
03:27 PM XXCoder: inside machine method doesnt require such prep, 123 is already precise enough, but yeah its also annoying lol
03:28 PM gregcnc: no z guage?
03:28 PM lcvette: what i have is mach3 stuff
03:28 PM fragalot: lcvette: doesn't have to match the spindle face if you assume the ground BT30 is your master for everything
03:28 PM lcvette: ground triggered
03:29 PM fragalot: heck it could be as simple as a BT30 weldon holder with the face ground
03:29 PM XXCoder: we use special holder because 123 blocks simply isnt long enough to hold cat40 lol
03:29 PM gregcnc: the values don't have to be real values as long as everyone uses the same refernce
03:29 PM XXCoder: the smaller machine (robodrill) uses cat30 so we can use 123 blocks as stand for tools
03:29 PM fragalot: XXCoder: 246 blocks to the rescue!
03:30 PM XXCoder: we dont have many of that lol
03:30 PM XXCoder: I want one at home, not for shop but for cool display. but its so expensive
03:31 PM fragalot: grind a chinese one in yourself, make it a perfect 1.990 3.990 5.990 block
03:31 PM XXCoder: couple oddballs at work also, like 228
03:32 PM XXCoder: for home display I wouldnt care about precision, but then it would rust and too expensive just for display lol
03:32 PM fragalot: that's why you store it in a VCI cabinet, or fill the cabinet with argon :P
03:32 PM XXCoder: lol
03:33 PM XXCoder: eobodrill also have weird setup I hate :(
03:33 PM gregcnc: http://www.shars.com/products/measuring/setup-block-sets/123-economy-tin-coated-block-w-23-holes
03:33 PM fragalot: yea.. you can't find cheap blocks like that in europe
03:33 PM fragalot: and finding metric ones is even harder
03:33 PM XXCoder: it uses this weird cat30 dial thingy and gonna set heigh gauge to zero on that, then use it to measure tools
03:33 PM XXCoder: yayy :(
03:34 PM lcvette: https://imgur.com/0yvzxem
03:34 PM lcvette: close enough
03:34 PM XXCoder: https://www.shop.santool.de/de/3d-taster1/taster-haimer/3d-taster-digital-haimer.html similia to this
03:34 PM lcvette: +/-.05"
03:34 PM lcvette: lol
03:34 PM XXCoder: only older and not digital
03:34 PM fragalot: is that an I-beam? XD
03:35 PM XXCoder: lol looks kinda like one at work, one we got from utah shop that closed down. we have better equipment so we dont use it
03:35 PM fragalot: XXCoder: I actually prefer the electronic 'yes/no' probes
03:36 PM XXCoder: that would be nice. but that thing is what we use for robos. ugh
03:36 PM XXCoder: I almost wish someone would drop and break it
03:36 PM XXCoder: its actually more annoyoing than slide 123 under tool measuring type
03:36 PM gregcnc: thsoe things are all the rage on instagram
03:37 PM fragalot: https://www.shop.santool.de/de/messtechnik/kantentaster/elektronisch/kantentaster-2d.html <= I like this type,.. but less janky.
03:40 PM XXCoder: not too expensive. light?
03:40 PM XXCoder: or does it beep
03:41 PM XXCoder: how is its precision and repeatability
03:41 PM fragalot: don't know about that one, mine is at least repeatable down to .01
03:41 PM XXCoder: mm?
03:41 PM fragalot: haven't checked more accurately than that as that's the jog increment I try it on :P
03:41 PM fragalot: yes
03:42 PM fragalot: I always run it up against the workpiece until it beeps & flashes, then back off until it just stops
03:42 PM XXCoder: ok bec .01" would be bad lol
03:42 PM fragalot: jogging back & forth 0.01mm makes it start & stop beeping
03:42 PM fragalot: I'm sure finer would work too, but who cares about 4 tenths? :P
03:43 PM fragalot: (tenths being inches again because why not)
03:43 PM XXCoder: .00039" not too shabby
03:43 PM fragalot: it's just nice that it's so black&white
03:43 PM fragalot: either it's touching, or it isn't
03:48 PM XXCoder: yeah
03:51 PM gloops: 0 of 6 german submarines is operational
03:51 PM gloops: entire military in dire state apparently
03:52 PM fragalot: that's what they want you to believe
03:52 PM fragalot: :P
03:52 PM XXCoder: subs all way down
03:52 PM XXCoder: entire germany is a sub
03:52 PM andypugh: I wasn’t sure they were allowed a military?
03:52 PM gloops: 5 / 13 frigates, Tornado jets: 26 of 93; CH-53 helicopters: 16 of 72
03:52 PM fragalot: the entire country of the netherlands is under water
03:52 PM fragalot: technically
03:53 PM andypugh: Not all of it.
03:53 PM andypugh: Not even half, I don’t think.
03:53 PM fragalot: all of it that matters :P
03:53 PM gloops: andypugh i think theyre allowed a small home guard type of military
03:53 PM fragalot: I don't think the ban on germany having a military or not is still in effect is it?
03:54 PM gloops: officially, i dont know
03:54 PM XXCoder: dont think so, been while. but then dunno
03:54 PM lcvette: how about this?
03:54 PM lcvette: https://imgur.com/68yh1bt
03:55 PM andypugh: Needs more 123 blocks
03:55 PM gloops: they are nato members though
03:55 PM lcvette: bt30 just sneaks inside the length of the 123 block height
03:55 PM XXCoder: and bigger and leveled rock
03:55 PM fragalot: lcvette: is that a floor tile? :P
03:56 PM gloops: told fragalot - lump of old worktop or fireplace, cant go wrong
03:56 PM XXCoder: you can get 300 to 400mm or so rock for just over 100 usd
03:56 PM andypugh: lcvette: It would be better to machine a 7/24 taper socket. I don’t _think_ that the face you are measuring from is a reference face
03:56 PM lcvette: thats actually a very very precision granite surface plate
03:56 PM XXCoder: time to vbe off later
03:56 PM fragalot: gloops: you can, they are not even close to being guaranteed flat.
03:56 PM fragalot: lcvette: tiny. love it :-)
03:56 PM lcvette: its just small
03:57 PM lcvette: i know its not
03:57 PM lcvette: a reference face
03:58 PM lcvette: good point
03:58 PM lcvette: should have considered that
03:59 PM andypugh: Do you have a lathe?
03:59 PM lcvette: not a working one
03:59 PM lcvette: thats a project waiting on the big mill to get finished
04:00 PM fragalot: there are BT30 holders where that IS a reference surface
04:01 PM fragalot: but unless you bought ones that specifically state that it is ... it's not.
04:01 PM andypugh: It is probably close enough for practical purposes.
04:01 PM lcvette: lol.. these things were made in china
04:02 PM lcvette: could be off by a mm
04:02 PM lcvette: but they sure are shiny
04:02 PM lcvette: lol
04:03 PM andypugh: I built a measuring fixture right in to the end of my mill bed: https://photos.app.goo.gl/PCwUqstGtMLsbViB6
04:03 PM andypugh: But that was mainly because I wanted to try my hand at taper-boring
04:04 PM lcvette: i tried searching to see if i could find a sleeve for a bt30 to use in a hole in a granite surface plate
04:04 PM lcvette: nt much lucks
04:04 PM fragalot: hehe. mill an approximate taper in your mill bed & press in the taper using the spindle & a reversed bt30 holder
04:04 PM fragalot: alternatively, lap it in (which will work well because the holder is harder than the table so the grit will bed itself into the bed nicely)
04:05 PM fragalot: lcvette: should you find one, please let me know? I'm looking for something for mine too.
04:05 PM andypugh: lcvette: Can you reverse the pointer on the height gauge? You could put the tools in the spindle and measure up from the bed.
04:05 PM fragalot: andypugh: might as well touch off onto a tool height gauge then
04:06 PM lcvette: andypugh: good idea
04:06 PM fragalot: rules out a variable - the height gauge
04:07 PM fragalot: otherwise you're stacking machine coords + height gauge offset
04:07 PM lcvette: that would at least let me check a few to see if the surface changes from holder to holder
04:07 PM lcvette: and get a distance for it
04:07 PM gregcnc: https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Adaptors-Sleeves/BT40-to-BT30-Adapter
04:07 PM lcvette: if it doesn't i can use my existing method with a excel table and a formula
04:08 PM lcvette: gregcnc: duh
04:08 PM Deejay: gn8
04:08 PM lcvette: good thinking
04:08 PM andypugh: lcvette: Where are you? I have a BT30 adaptor that screws on to the spindle of a lathe I no-longer have.
04:08 PM lcvette: i have the flu and am on heavy medication
04:08 PM lcvette: USA
04:08 PM tjb1: Anyone use SheetCAM?
04:09 PM fragalot: lcvette: if you're measuring in the machine anyway, why not go this route? https://www.shop.santool.de/de/messtechnik/nulleinsteller/nulleinsteller-integrierter-messuhr1.html
04:09 PM andypugh: That BT40 adaptor looks expensive when you just need a bit of metal with a taper in it.
04:09 PM andypugh: tjb1: Lots of people use Sheetcam.
04:09 PM tjb1: Here?
04:09 PM fragalot: andypugh: £30 isn't that bad, actually
04:09 PM * fragalot is tempted to order it for this exact purpose
04:11 PM andypugh: fragalot: I read it as £60. I must be losing it
04:11 PM lcvette: out of stock
04:11 PM fragalot: lcvette: Other vendors are available :P
04:11 PM lcvette: i know searching for some stateside
04:12 PM lcvette: BT not gonna make that easy
04:12 PM fragalot: any 30 taper should work
04:12 PM lcvette: i have ordered a z height setter
04:12 PM lcvette: but i also like to be able to measure offline
04:12 PM fragalot: the BT part only applies to the drawbar thread
04:13 PM lcvette: do they even have cat30?
04:13 PM andypugh: Yes, all the tapers are the same. ISO, INT, CAT, BT. In fact my spindle is 30INT modified for a BT30 pull-stud and then again for SK30 tooling.
04:13 PM lcvette: never heard of it
04:13 PM fragalot: i've got a healthy mix of BT30, MT30, CAT30, and some DIN2080
04:13 PM fragalot: and only 2 drawbars
04:16 PM gregcnc: these are probably a fortune https://www.tacrockford.com/product/gauges/tool-holder-taper/steep-taper/tool-holder-taper-sleeve-gauges/part/430.110.830.000/
04:18 PM fragalot: lcvette: you could always get a speroni
04:18 PM fragalot: :P
04:18 PM fragalot: comes with a nice built-in taper holder
04:19 PM lcvette: http://www.wttool.com/index/page/product/product_id/20155/category_id/18047/product_name/RDX+Non-Drawbar+Bar+Type+Reducing+Adapter
04:20 PM fragalot: for changing NT to R8 or morse.. size: 40 male, 30 female.
04:20 PM fragalot: confusing
04:22 PM lcvette: http://www.wttool.com/index/page/category/category_id/18047/?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=SiteChampion
04:22 PM lcvette: has several taper adapters to choose from
04:23 PM Tom_L: what? you don't have all valenite holders????
04:24 PM fragalot: velour.
04:26 PM lcvette: you guys use electronic tool setters?
04:26 PM Tom_L: my bud had one
04:27 PM Tom_L: 2"
04:38 PM veek: what's a good book for the newbie to learn about lathes and spindles and stuff in general
04:39 PM veek: has a lot of cool stuff - anything similar: Machine Tool Technology Basics By Arthur Gill, Stephen F. Krar
04:43 PM gloops: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Machining-Dummies-Computer-Tech/dp/1119426138
04:45 PM veek: hey gloops ty
04:47 PM gloops: are there many used lathes in your area veek? might seem a funny question but some areas seem to be awash with old machines, industrial areas, other places theyre very scarce
04:47 PM gloops: just thinking if you could pick up an old lathe - good to have something to play with, put the theory into practice
04:48 PM gloops: at no great cost
04:48 PM veek: gloops, lemme google
04:48 PM veek: you mean a benchtop lathe or a proper one
04:49 PM gloops: well, anything really, dont imagine youd want a massive thing
04:51 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZYTO-METALWORK-LATHE-WITH-COUNTERSHAFT/302787245024?
04:51 PM gloops: i know in some parts of america that kind of stuff is virtually non-existant
04:53 PM veek: umm i'm not a a yank http://www.industrybuying.com/heavy-duty-lathe-machine-tmt-MA.HE..1555253/
04:54 PM gloops: yes, thats pretty large lol
04:54 PM veek: at least it's in the realm of affordability
04:55 PM veek: i've seen bench top lathes selling here but i can't find any atm
04:55 PM veek: similar to TAIG
04:56 PM gloops: where are you?
04:57 PM veek: i live in india (indian)
04:57 PM gloops: oh excellent
04:58 PM SpeedEvil: Shrink rays would make buying machinery so much easier.
04:58 PM veek: heh
04:58 PM veek: but shipping costs are not that high
04:59 PM veek: it's the traders and lack of an auction
04:59 PM SpeedEvil: veek: Depends how accessible your place is, and if the seller has it on a loading dock somewhere.
04:59 PM veek: ah yeah
05:01 PM veek: minilathes they are called http://www.amitengineeringindia.com/mini-lathe-machine.html
05:02 PM veek: that's chinese i'm pretty sure
05:06 PM gloops: dont think these are very cnc-able https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWFeMQuG_EU
05:07 PM veek: heh nice music
05:09 PM gloops: nice woodwork too
05:11 PM veek: yeah - initially when i saw the dovetails i thought he'd made a mistake using the cnc :p
05:12 PM veek: but when he fit it together :)
05:14 PM gloops: yeah, different colour wood to set them off, shame to hide good dovetails
05:14 PM gloops: they did hide them though on the most expensive work
05:25 PM veek: gloops, example?
05:34 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.shars.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=2058&q=block I have a few of these by Shars
05:34 PM CaptHindsight: nothing special, they work, are mostly square and cheap
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: i don't drop them on the floor or drag parts across them...
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: but I leave them out and use them to quickly hold things
05:37 PM CaptHindsight: anything precision gets held and cut by precision tools, blocks, fixtures and clamps
05:37 PM CaptHindsight: clamps/vises
05:40 PM DocHopper: Hey guys, it's my last day working at my current shop, so when I'm gone this username will no longer be active. I'll still be active under my personal account, but in the mean time, I figured it was a good time to say thanks for all the patience, help, and wonderful advice.
05:41 PM DocHopper: #linuxcnc is easily the best channel there is!
05:43 PM CaptHindsight: DocHopper: changing jobs?
05:44 PM CaptHindsight: DocHopper: you can change the nick registration
06:00 PM DocHopper: CaptHindsight: I'm not attached to it, I've made friends here with this nic, but plenty of enemies in #electronics.
06:00 PM DocHopper: I'm just moving on, I hope I'll be able to get enough work independently!
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: DocHopper: don't take it personal in there, lots of autism
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: well IRC in general
06:13 PM Roguish: DocHopper: good luck. hang in there. stay positive.............
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: just far fewer tend to be in here that stay
06:14 PM CaptHindsight: DocHopper: avoid the urge to want to go to Vegas to double your earnings
06:21 PM jdh: it could work
06:21 PM jdh: I say try it.
06:25 PM CaptHindsight: jdh: as long as it's not your cash :)
06:45 PM gonzo_: any cambam experts in here this eve? (well, more expert than me, which is not difficult)
06:46 PM gonzo_: trying to get it to mill a sloping surface (sloping in Z axis), in an easy way
07:11 PM andypugh: veek: The indians make cheap copies of the Chinese lathes :-)
07:13 PM andypugh: gonzo_: I have used CamBam, but so long ago I can’t remeber any way to help you.
07:13 PM jdh: with fresh iron from recycled ships
07:13 PM veek: hehe
07:14 PM andypugh: I am sure that the Indians can make good stuff too, just like the Chinese can. But not when they are competing for the lowest possible price
07:15 PM andypugh: I am fairly sure my 8x40 lathe was Indian. It was like a Chinese 8x20 but longer and no thicker.
07:15 PM andypugh: Sorry, 8x30
07:16 PM andypugh: Highlights included headstock bearings driled deep enough to knock the oilers in, but not deep enough for the holes to reach the bearings.
07:16 PM andypugh: Sorry, headstock bearing oiler holes, I meant to say.
07:17 PM andypugh: I noticed when I couldn’t get any oil to go in.
07:18 PM andypugh: The saddle was scraped so that each side was a reasonable fit to the bed. But not so that they both touched at the same time.
07:18 PM veek: i dunno enough to comment :( but i'm glad I can afford some of the tools and i plan to share emm once i get the hang of it.. open up a free hackspace of some sort
07:19 PM Tom_L: andypugh, have you any plans to kit more of those STMBL drivers?
07:19 PM andypugh: And the saddle keeper strips were adjusted by the screws just not being tightened up. Probably to allow further ajustment as the paint on their bearing surface wore away.
07:19 PM Tom_L: and by kit, is that all the pieces necessary to build one?
07:22 PM andypugh: The kit includes all the parts. And no, I am not makine any more as the supply of the IRAMS256 device has dried up (it was new and shiny then the company was bought out, and the new owner discontinued it). Rene is making one more batch of the current design (he probably has all of the world supply, and that’s no more than several dozen). A new version will then be designed to use a new power driver.
07:23 PM andypugh: So, talk to rene-dev if you want one of that batch, or wait for the new design.
07:23 PM Tom_L: i'm in no big rush
07:24 PM Tom_L: where's he located?
07:25 PM andypugh: veek: I eventually swapped my 9x20 indo/chinese lathe for a british one made in the 1960s. Consider that both lathes have the same capacity, and compare the tailstocks: https://photos.app.goo.gl/LJv4LMDxPFfcHJSZ8
07:28 PM andypugh: (A better pic of the tailstock is here, compare the barrel length of it, and the bed depth to the typical Chinese 9x20: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9qpum1WKv5YiXCW2A
07:28 PM Wolf__: I wonder how well these work, tho the voltage is lacking https://odriverobotics.com/#odrive
07:28 PM andypugh: Tom_L: Rene is in Germany
07:30 PM veek: andypugh, well to my lay eye.. the grey one looks sleek and clean and nice looking and the white is blobby and dirty
07:30 PM andypugh: Wolf__: The STMBL Wiki has a nice summary table of open-hardware drivers: https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl/wiki/servo-drives-overview
07:30 PM veek: but both look workable
07:32 PM Wolf__: andypugh: oh nice, and only the STMBL does commercial type BL servo voltages =/
07:33 PM veek: andypugh, how did you get the Indian/chinese lathe? shipped it direct or local retailer?
07:33 PM andypugh: Wolf__: Yes, but is conversely no good for DC servos or RC brushless
07:33 PM andypugh: veek: I got it from Amadeal in the UK
07:34 PM veek: what's the swing..
07:34 PM andypugh: And, after the CNC conversion, for all its faults, it made good parts: https://youtu.be/nIYMfyf4jDI
07:34 PM andypugh: 9x20 means 9” swing and 20” length
07:40 PM veek: andypugh, any idea about this one: http://www.industrybuying.com/heavy-duty-lathe-machine-tmt-MA.HE..1555253/
07:41 PM veek: anyway me buying is still a long way off
07:42 PM veek: it'd be too dangerous me think and i'd just stare at it
07:42 PM andypugh: veek: That looks like an exact copy of a 1930s lathe, including the open flat-belt drive. I had no idea that such things were still made
07:43 PM andypugh: Am sat here gawping in amazement.
07:44 PM veek: and here's something like yours http://www.industrybuying.com/heavy-duty-lathe-machine-ib-basics-MA.HE..1553040/
07:45 PM veek: wonder how much extra you guys had to pay.. any premium? i'd pay 2,023.73 Pound sterling
07:45 PM veek: for the 1930s
07:46 PM andypugh: veek: Both those lathes are far bgger than mine.
07:46 PM veek: at today's exchange rate and the Rupee has been tanking
07:46 PM veek: ah yeah length wise.. swing's the same. 9"
07:47 PM veek: oh hmm 9 foot
07:47 PM andypugh: No, the second one has a 31 inch swing..
07:48 PM andypugh: Those are very big machines. And flat belts aren’t terrible, they worked in the 1930s and still work now.
07:49 PM veek: okay - well that's a relief.. at least now i know what's possible
07:50 PM andypugh: My fear is that not only are they old-fashioned, but they are badly made.
07:50 PM veek: ah yeah.. hmm.. well i'll need to study some and use my head too so.. :p
07:51 PM veek: but it would have been fun to have it rumbling away :p
07:52 PM andypugh: I own a flat-belt lathe: https://photos.app.goo.gl/hhDtjVLE2sXaUG827 But that cost $3000 when new. In 1936. A lathe that costs £2000 in 2018 and contains 10x the iron is unlikely to be as well-made..
07:55 PM veek: hmm that's true.. especially with commodities at a peak
07:55 PM veek: mebbe it's plastic :p
08:01 PM Wolf__: hmm, at first glance the odrive look nice, but nothing really supports them yet in the CNC world of things =/
08:02 PM andypugh: I think that they are intended for RC planes and possibly e-bikes. Battery-driven applications.
08:02 PM Wolf__: I think I’m finally going to break down and build the cnc plasma idea I have had in mind for years now, maybe I’ll look at those clear path servo things
08:04 PM andypugh: Wolf__: For a one-off just buy seond-hand servos. eBay is awash with them
08:05 PM jdh: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/AC-Servo-Drive-Motor-750W-2-39NM-220V-3000R-Min-NEMA32-Material-Conveying-New-1/32721780790.html?src=criteo&albslr=202415162&isdl=y&aff_short_key=UneMJZVf&src=criteo&albch=remarketing&acnt=USA&isdl=y&aff_short_key=UneMJZVf&albcp=lowerfunnel&device=pc&clickid=5b344a5688e5387d9a03a108f7fd6203153015355832721780790
08:05 PM jdh: sorry.
08:05 PM Wolf__: really only reason I’m leaning towards the clear path is they are self contained
08:05 PM andypugh: I am not at all sure that’s an advantage
08:06 PM Wolf__: was thinking a 500mm x 1500mm mag mounted cnc plasma frame
08:06 PM Wolf__: or whatever size the linear rails I have are for the short side
08:07 PM andypugh: jdh: Yes, motor and drive at that price has to be worth consideration.
08:08 PM andypugh: The STMBL niche is that is stands a very good chance of working with anything you can find on eBay, and you can even run a mixture. (I will have 3 resolvers and one encoder on my mill)
08:08 PM Wolf__: nema 32/34 would be overkill for a small light machine I think
08:10 PM Wolf__: and I really dont need high accuracy, I need weld/bolt tolerances lol
08:17 PM Wolf__: this is the type of stuff I plan to use it for, center hitch plates for trucks (0.5” steel 34” wide) to cut in holes for receiver hitch or bolt on pintle hitch and 0.75” grommet mounted lights, and the bumper tube/tail light tube holes for the 4” grommet mount lights https://i.imgur.com/gzw7p90.jpg
08:19 PM Wolf__: usually the hitch plate is notched to fit inside the truck frame, but on my truck the body system ended up a few inches past the end of the frame
08:22 PM andypugh: Big stuff
08:22 PM Wolf__: yeah, I would rather move a “small” cnc frame around a few times vs the 4x8 foot sheet of 0.5” steel
08:23 PM Tom_L: ideal for a plasma ehh?
08:24 PM Wolf__: yeah, seeing that I do all the plasma cuts with straight edges or free hand right now
08:25 PM Wolf__: tried hole saws for the 4” light holes but getting the tubes in the drill press sucks and end up wrecking the hole saws before getting 6 holes in it
08:25 PM andypugh: CNC milling is also an option.
08:25 PM Tom_L: probably a little big for a hole saw
08:26 PM Tom_L: those things don't need the accuracy of a mill but it would do the job for sure
08:26 PM veek: is there any sense to buying a 4" grinder with a lot of power (+600W input) aren't 4" used for cleaning and shallow cuts
08:26 PM andypugh: I reckon a very expensice hole-saw in a very rigid machine could work
08:27 PM Wolf__: mill would be interesting with 8 foot tube on the table lol
08:27 PM Tom_L: i used a hole saw on my stepper mount and it did _ok_
08:27 PM Tom_L: at the time it was really the only choice i had
08:28 PM Wolf__: 4” annular cutter on a mag drill would be great, except the price tag on both parts of that
08:28 PM Tom_L: got a bit of wobble on the first one so i used it to help center the final one by clamping it on top of the new piece to help align the cutter
08:29 PM Tom_L: like you would sandwich anything to cut
08:30 PM Wolf__: bimetal hole saws are great, and a pain in the ass at the same time lol
08:31 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/StepperMount3.jpg
08:31 PM Tom_L: those turned out pretty good i though
08:31 PM andypugh: This style, in a rigid drill would probably do hundreds of holes: http://www.rotabroach.co.uk/cutters/holesaws/
08:31 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:32 PM Wolf__: I have a set of those, came with the shop that I bought out
08:33 PM Wolf__: have yet to use one tho
08:33 PM andypugh: I bought a second-hand mag-drill on eBay for £120. If you don’t have one, you should get one.
08:33 PM Wolf__: we have 2
08:33 PM Tom_L: i saw your pic of the drill, those look nice
08:33 PM Tom_L: not cheap but nice
08:34 PM andypugh: Anyway, time to sleep. It’s starting to get light.
08:34 PM Wolf__: one low pro one we use for drilling truck frames without needing to pull the wheels off, and one standard one, but getting one that does greater then 100mm drill size…
08:34 PM Tom_L: later
08:34 PM Tom_L: that happens about 5am here :D
08:35 PM andypugh: (In the UK at this time of night we don’t technically have “night” It’s dark but technically it’s twighlight as the sun still makes a bit of the horizon paler
08:36 PM Tom_L: that would mess with my sleep habits
08:36 PM andypugh: I am not logging off, I have a query on another channel :-)
08:37 PM Tom_L: one that should be logged?
08:37 PM Tom_L: if it's cnc related or such i'd be happy to
08:38 PM andypugh: valgrind. It may be an inactive channel.
08:39 PM Wolf__: ugh, I love how my projects work, need to make drive sprockets for something, so I need to build a cnc plasma =D
08:40 PM Tom_L: i can log it for a week or three i guess and see
08:42 PM Tom_L: i use one jt modified based on logbot
08:43 PM Tom_L: andypugh, say something over there to initiate the log
08:43 PM Tom_L: yeah it started
08:43 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23valgrind/index.html
08:43 PM hazzy-lab: Hah, I modified logbot too!
08:44 PM hazzy-lab: I wanted the logs to be in dirs by month
08:44 PM hazzy-lab: like this
08:44 PM hazzy-lab: logs
08:44 PM logs: hazzy-lab: today's log: http://irc-logs.kcjengr.com/%23linuxcnc/2018/06/29.html
08:45 PM Tom_L: jt did the calendar part
08:45 PM Tom_L: and a few other things
08:45 PM hazzy-lab: I like the calendar
08:46 PM Tom_L: it's handy
08:46 PM hazzy-lab: I need to stop mine from logging join/parts ..
08:46 PM Tom_L: i did that on mine
08:46 PM Tom_L: fills up the file quick
08:46 PM Tom_L: i wasn't wild about the multi color either
08:47 PM hazzy-lab: I have 500gb to fill :D
08:47 PM Tom_L: o
08:47 PM Wolf__: hmm https://www.esabna.com/us/en/crossbow/index.cfm thats a interesting design
08:47 PM Tom_L: i've got plenty of space but would still rather manage it
08:48 PM Tom_L: makes reading easier too
08:48 PM hazzy-lab: Yeah, there is no reason to store more than needed
08:51 PM Tom_L: i added mine to crontab to start if power was lost and restored
08:52 PM hazzy-lab: That is a simple and effective way to do it
08:52 PM hazzy-lab: I made mine a daemon, but that is overkill
08:53 PM Tom_L: i'm still a linux beginner
08:54 PM hazzy-lab: I am too, I just stole somebody else's daemon code
08:54 PM Tom_L: that makes you a pro :)
08:55 PM hazzy-lab: Actually, I used the same daemon I used for the weather station
08:55 PM hazzy-lab: lol
08:55 PM hazzy-lab: Wolf__: That looks very interesting. I guess and deflection in the beam is taken care of by the THC
08:55 PM hazzy-lab: any deflection*
08:56 PM Wolf__: yeah, easy to overthink a cnc plasma it seems lol
08:57 PM Wolf__: and I have been thinking for days on how to overcome a square type frame getting out of square without making it weigh a ton
08:57 PM hazzy-lab: Over built plasmas are the almost the worst, my friend has one and it is so heavy even with huge servos it can't accelerate fast enough
09:02 PM Wolf__: yeah, thats what I’m trying to stay away from
09:02 PM Wolf__: plus right now I dont have the space for a large table based setup
09:12 PM roycroft: triangulate it, wolf__?
09:12 PM Wolf__: yeah, but then supports make the frame oversized or inside the cutting area
09:13 PM roycroft: i don't know what your frame looks like
09:13 PM roycroft: but a single brace is all that is needed to make it really solid
09:13 PM Wolf__: right now its just a rough idea in my head
09:13 PM roycroft: you should be able to inset the brace
09:14 PM Wolf__: but, I think the moving arm might be worth looking at seeing i’m still in design stage
09:14 PM Wolf__: plus I could store it like a hand truck when not in use
09:15 PM roycroft: so festool make some really fancy, expensive tools
09:15 PM roycroft: i just bought one of their track saws
09:15 PM roycroft: something i could have used for a long time now
09:15 PM roycroft: they make these expensive connectors to connect two pieces of the guide rail together
09:15 PM roycroft: the guide rails are aluminium
09:15 PM roycroft: the connectors are steel
09:16 PM roycroft: and they use steel set screws to attch the connectors to the guide rails
09:16 PM roycroft: the guide rails are *expensive*
09:16 PM roycroft: like
09:16 PM Wolf__: nice, do they come apart after the first use?
09:16 PM roycroft: an 800mm guide rail is $92
09:16 PM roycroft: a 1400mm guide rail is $150
09:16 PM roycroft: i haven't attached two rails together yet
09:17 PM Wolf__: when I hear festool, all I think of is the tool cases that all look like their vacuum unit
09:17 PM roycroft: i just ordered some nylon-tipped set screws
09:17 PM roycroft: i don't want to wreck my guide rails the first time i attach them together
09:17 PM roycroft: for as much as they charge, one would think they would provide suitable set screws
09:18 PM roycroft: the connectors are a single piece of steel square stock with 4 holes tapped to m6-1
09:18 PM roycroft: and 4 set screws
09:18 PM roycroft: and they cost $20 each
09:18 PM roycroft: and two are required
09:18 PM roycroft: they really should provide suitable set screws for that kind of money
09:18 PM Wolf__: really...
09:18 PM roycroft: don't get me wrong
09:18 PM roycroft: their tools are outstanding
09:19 PM roycroft: they have the best dust collection in the industry, without a close second
09:19 PM roycroft: but they cheap out on some things
09:19 PM roycroft: i can use my festool sander without wearing a respirator
09:19 PM Wolf__: pretty much buying the name on some things probably
09:20 PM roycroft: and when i'm done sanding there is no dust i can find anywere
09:20 PM roycroft: their track saw is virtually dustless as well, from what i've seen and read
09:20 PM roycroft: mine is arriving next week, so i'll know first-hand soon
09:20 PM Wolf__: nice
09:21 PM roycroft: i've used nylon-tipped set screws in the past on several things
09:21 PM roycroft: they seem to be an "industry's best kept secret" thing
09:21 PM roycroft: nobody seems to use them
09:21 PM roycroft: and they make so much sense in so many applications
09:22 PM Wolf__: hmm this cross bar plasma seems to be more common then I thought after some looking
09:24 PM Wolf__: a lot of stuff seems to have no regards for little things of that sort, that will prolong the product life in actual use
09:33 PM Tom_L: apparently they make brass & silver solder tipped setscrews too
09:34 PM Wolf__: anyone in here running a cnc plasma setup?
09:34 PM Tom_L: probably not awake now
09:35 PM Tom_L: i know JT has one
09:36 PM Wolf__: I wonder if any of these ebay standalone THC are useable
09:46 PM Wolf__: hmm, looks like to save what sanity I have left best bet is just using a mesa setup
11:52 PM RyanS: Wolf_ I'm working on a mesa setup for a plasma, but I'm new to this stuff
11:54 PM RyanS: mesa has the THCAD board for THC. I'm told it's better than the ebay ones