#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 26 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:17 AM IchGucksLive: hi all from a summer Day in Germany
12:20 AM IchGucksLive: rmu, it is iligal to haldle with this things
12:20 AM IchGucksLive: the uk expects weathere disruption as it hits 30deg what a mess on rail system
12:20 AM IchGucksLive: global warming will take its toll on uk sara jane-mee says
12:25 AM IchGucksLive: im off Have a nice Day
12:48 AM miss0r: mornin'
01:03 AM holzjunkie: guten morgen !!!
01:04 AM hazzy-lab: Guten morgen holzjunkie!
01:05 AM miss0r: Whats with the german invasion :P
01:05 AM holzjunkie: 1 people an invasion "ich weiß nicht"
01:05 AM holzjunkie: ;-)
01:06 AM miss0r: :D
01:06 AM hazzy-lab: lol
01:06 AM hazzy-lab: time for bed here
01:06 AM hazzy-lab: gn8
01:07 AM miss0r: I managed to get my EDM to live again yesterday, after soldering in new relay sockets.
01:07 AM miss0r: lol
01:07 AM miss0r: goodnight
01:07 AM hazzy-lab: excellent!!
01:07 AM miss0r: Now I need to look at installing some ventilation :D
01:10 AM holzjunkie: hazzy-lab: good morning
01:22 AM miss0r: hmm. It seems the easiest ventilation tubing I can get my hands on is made from some sort of plastic. I wonder if it is reasonable to assume it can handle petrolium fumes..
01:52 AM Lcvette: pcw_mesa: quick question, having an issue with clints machine, it's instantly going in to ferror fault and axis starts creeping..
01:53 AM Lcvette: http://imgur.com/gallery/GFEV2Qu
01:53 AM Lcvette: any thoughts?
01:54 AM Lcvette: triple checked the hal and ini and all is the same
01:54 AM Lcvette: except the 5i25/7i92 difference
01:54 AM Lcvette: we are stumped
01:59 AM Deejay: moin
02:07 AM rmu: IchGucksLive: ?
02:09 AM flyback: oh and the old man on pawn stars made his biggest buy ever, he bought the farm
02:12 AM rmu: Lcvette: that is an analog machine?
02:12 AM Lcvette: pulse
02:13 AM Lcvette: only does it when we are setup to check the encoder feedback to check following error
02:15 AM rmu: then perhaps some polarity or scale has the wrong sign, it seems that an error is "corrected" in the wrong direction
02:19 AM miss0r: rmu: that is what it looks like.
02:19 AM rmu: Lcvette: what is the difference of your setup to the working state?
02:30 AM miss0r: This is just the standard nightmare. After installing the EDM, I have not done anything to clean up all the stuff I had to temporarily move away to make room for it. Today is that day. and it sucks !
02:38 AM RyanS: hmm good price, no idea if I can trust every block http://www.ctctools.biz/gauge-block-set-metric-87pcs-l98/
02:38 AM miss0r: well. then it is not a good price
02:39 AM miss0r: if you are unsure if you can trust your gauge blocks, then they aren't realy worth anything. thats the whole point of them
02:40 AM RyanS: US has plenty of sets, basically none metric
02:50 AM miss0r: And you are hunting for metric?
02:52 AM RyanS: yeah and it sounds like a smaller set (eg 42) just means you have to wring more together compared to the big sets
02:54 AM miss0r: Is that a bad thing?
02:54 AM miss0r: I do that all the time
02:57 AM RyanS: no it's good but there's surely more limitations to a smaller set than just being a bit less convenient
02:57 AM miss0r: sure
02:57 AM RyanS: how many pieces in your set?
02:59 AM miss0r: 211 (if I recall correctly) plus a few smaller ones
03:01 AM miss0r: But that is an older one. I don't use that alot to be honnest. As I have started to doubt the precision by now
03:02 AM RyanS: I just want to use them to calibrate micrometers, calipers and the occasionally for really critical measurements. I jus
03:02 AM miss0r: Might I recommend mitutoyo 516-337-26
03:02 AM miss0r: oh. In that case that is not for you
03:03 AM RyanS: maybe sine vice setup too
03:05 AM RyanS: workshop grade would be far more accurate than any measurement tool I'll ever own
03:07 AM RyanS: $8000! (gasp)
03:07 AM miss0r: hmm. In that case you need to go very wrong with any'ol set
03:07 AM miss0r: for any old set not to work, that is
03:08 AM miss0r: i.e. visible scratches & dings
05:35 AM Tom_itx: morning
05:35 AM Deejay: heya
05:37 AM Loetmichel: *gnaaaahhhh* EIGHT tries to get the CNC program millbit radius corrected with BoCNC... Its REALLY time i learn to use a good 3dCad and postprocessor... feels like back in the days with adventure games... made one step to many-> back to the last savegame it is...
05:40 AM jthornton: morning
05:40 AM Tom_itx: i think the weather took out the bot
05:40 AM Tom_itx: interweb was dead for a while here
05:41 AM XXCoder: yo
06:04 AM skunkworks: Tom_itx: Noooooo!
06:04 AM * skunkworks still uses acad 12 a lot....
06:07 AM rmu: skunkworks: surely you mean autocad 2012?
06:07 AM skunkworks: heh
06:07 AM * skunkworks fires up his xp virtual machine...
06:08 AM Tom_itx: skunkworks, pretty sure it's back but lost it's memory for a day or so
06:08 AM skunkworks: actually - I think it initally came out in windows 3.11 days..
06:08 AM skunkworks: Tom_itx: no worries. Thanks for keeping it going
06:08 AM rmu: autocad R12 was from the early nineties and had some "fun" features IIRC like support for dual "graphics" cards (hercules + 8514/a or another "super vga")
06:09 AM Tom_itx: acad 12 came on floppies right?
06:09 AM skunkworks: wow - 12 came out in 92
06:09 AM Tom_itx: wasn't there a dos version?
06:09 AM skunkworks: yes - I think so.. or was that 11
06:09 AM Tom_itx: i can't remember
06:10 AM skunkworks: some where around there...
06:10 AM skunkworks: rmu: thought anymore about your jerk-ness?
06:10 AM rmu: CAD workstations used to be ridiculously expensive back then... like, a new car
06:11 AM rmu: skunkworks: yes, but didn't have time yet
06:11 AM rmu: skunkworks: but i have a plan what to do next
06:11 AM skunkworks: rmu: Great - no hurry - motion is one of my interests...
06:12 AM skunkworks: well - and acad was expensive..
06:12 AM rmu: i need to condense all this math stuff into an extra module
06:12 AM rmu: and those 387es did cost extra too
06:12 AM skunkworks: it is amazing what you can get now for 'free'
06:13 AM skunkworks: yes - I remember getting my first math co-processor.. then running fractals to see how much faster it was
06:13 AM rmu: nowadays a cheap smartphone blows those workstations out of the water, even considering resolution of the screen
06:14 AM rmu: living in teh future!
06:15 AM skunkworks: it is mostly a good time to be alive..
06:15 AM skunkworks: my kids probably won't have to actually drive for very long
06:18 AM skunkworks: (either self-driving cars or the apocalypse...)
06:25 AM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/acad12.png
06:28 AM cradek: I still occasionally use r12 (dos version)
06:28 AM cradek: it uses vesa graphics and generates postscript plots, so it will work approximately forever (already has I guess)
06:31 AM skunkworks: I still blame autocad for my problems learing 3d modeling.. ;)
06:33 AM cradek: I have a soft spot for it. my first non-manual-labor job was running r12
06:33 AM cradek: er maybe it was 11. we had both. 12 is much better than 11.
06:35 AM skunkworks: or.. http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/cad.png
06:38 AM skunkworks: I am pretty sure we started with 11.. but switched to 12. they still use it for their laser cad...
06:39 AM Beachbumpete1: WOah Freecad, Fusion360, AND Autocad all at the same time.... CAD GURU!! ;)
06:40 AM skunkworks: I am only really good at acad 12 ;)
06:40 AM Beachbumpete1: hehe
06:41 AM Beachbumpete1: I use Draftsight here A LOT and I quite like it...it was my first autocad experience and I still use it today even at work. Altho our company does have seats of AutocadLT which I need to use too... Just for the experience.
06:42 AM skunkworks: we bought intellacad too.. It is acad like
06:43 AM Beachbumpete1: This Mozaik Cabinet software is pretty impressive for cabinet design, 3D rendering, and CAM for the cabinet parts from what short experience we have with it thus far.
06:43 AM Beachbumpete1: I think I used a free version of Intellicad years ago somehow... or one of the places I worked had a copy I cannot recall
06:44 AM Beachbumpete1: it was indeed Autocad like
08:44 AM pcw_home: Lcvette: That looks like the encoder feedback is backwards (exponential error growth is a signature of this)
08:45 AM pcw_home: if your hal files are the same, that suggests that the encoder wiring is different
09:02 AM Lcvette: thanks Peter
09:03 AM Lcvette: i went love by line over the hal and ini and couldn't find an error there
09:03 AM Lcvette: so i think you may be right
09:04 AM Lcvette: over*
09:04 AM Lcvette: line*
09:25 AM Guest94134: How well does linuxcnc run on a raspberry pi?
09:31 AM pcw_home: From what Gene says I think currently the graphic performance is not great and keyboard/mouse are laggy
09:40 AM Guest94134: pcw_home: ok but if run without a graphical interface
09:40 AM Guest94134: pcw_home: if run purely as a server
09:41 AM pcw_home: that would likely be better
09:41 AM rmu: IMO graphics performance is sufficient, but some operations like editing a big gcode file with builtin-editor in gmoccapy is (very) laggy.
09:42 AM pcw_home: Gene has problems with the mouse/keyboard not sure if a newer kernel would help there
09:43 AM rmu: i didn't experience anything like that. i have problems with the touchscreen as soon as the spindle is running, unshielded cables, but that is something different
09:44 AM pcw_home: not sure if any of the Raspi clones would be better
09:45 AM rmu: i wanted to experiment with the asus tinker board, but last i looked the version with integrated emmc was not yet available, so i postponed it
09:45 AM rmu: on paper, it should work great ;)
09:47 AM pcw_home: getting working/reliable real time kernels on them is possibly a challenge
09:48 AM rmu: uptime on my pi is 67 days as of now
09:48 AM rmu: ~ $ uname -a
09:48 AM rmu: Linux biesse-rover-342 4.9.65-rt56-v7+ #3 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Dec 14 12:26:15 CET 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux
09:49 AM rmu: stock 4.9.65 kernel, stock raspberry pi patch and stock rt-preempt patch
09:49 AM pcw_home: Yeah I know there are Preempt-RT kernels for the RASPI but not so sure about the others
09:50 AM rmu: the tinker s should become available here in july, will try it then. prelim googling suggests that preempt-rt should also work with the tinker board.
09:55 AM rmu: strange there is not more realtime "fall-out" from automotive applications of ARM-SOCs
09:59 AM pcw_home: Wonder if they are using using proprietary RTOS's to avoid GPL
10:00 AM pcw_home: or just violating it
10:00 AM mozmck: Or maybe proprietary RTOS to get better latency.
10:01 AM mozmck: pcw_home: I tried 4.16.15-rt7 on a couple of computers yesterday and had latency of around 198us on J1900 and around 150us on an i3-7100U
10:01 AM * Loetmichel just went "carpenter"... boss wanted to have a rack to store the incoming deliverys in... 4 hours, 500 eur for "multiplex" plywood and a few high load rack sides that were spare here later: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17134&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ... btw 3,5mm*40mm "spax" wood screws can be screwed in 3mm thick steel tube juuust fine when you drill said steel with a
10:01 AM * Loetmichel 3.2mm drill bit ;)
10:02 AM mozmck: That is worse than I was seeing with 4.9 or 4.14
10:03 AM pcw_home: Yeah unfortunately you get wildly different results with different hardware
10:03 AM mozmck: Yeah, and that seems worse with newer kernels :-(
10:04 AM pcw_home: I notice that some people on the forum are getting very good latency on a J1900 using isolcpus 2,3
10:04 AM mozmck: Yeah, I saw that this morning. I use isolcpus 3 - shouldn't need 2 I don't think since they are real cores (not hyperthreaded cores)
10:05 AM pcw_home: I got worse Ethernet latency with isolcpus so I stopped messing with it
10:05 AM pcw_home: but had not tried on a J1900
10:06 AM mozmck: Huh. I have consistently seen either the same or better latency on a number of different computers using isolcpus.
10:06 AM mozmck: It helped a lot on J1800
10:07 AM pcw_home: latency test or Ethernet latency?
10:08 AM mozmck: latency-histogram
10:08 AM pcw_home: One issue with the latency test is that it really only tests dispatch latency (not overall latency to complete a task)
10:09 AM mozmck: Yeah, I've heard that. Remind me how to look at ethernet latency?
10:09 AM pcw_home: I would check the hal tmax numbers with isolcpus/no isolcpus
10:10 AM pcw_home: halcmd show param *.tmax
10:11 AM mozmck: Thanks.
10:11 AM pcw_home: read 'em and weep
10:11 AM mozmck: hah!
10:12 AM mozmck: And you said for 1Khz servo loop, 200 us latency on those numbers should be ok?
10:13 AM Guest51768 is now known as diverdude
10:18 AM pcw_home: Even worse is OK as long as it gets done
10:18 AM pcw_home: (in the 1 ms)
10:19 AM mozmck: ok
10:19 AM pcw_home: and you can even do ok with setting the rx packet timeout to say 50% and dropping late rx packets
10:21 AM pcw_home: with the proper hal setup (mux PID feedback so PID gets commanded instead of FB when theres a packet error)
10:21 AM pcw_home: (so the PID doest overreact to the stale data)
10:24 AM mozmck: Ah, I think I saw some discussion on that and took some notes. I need to get some of that done!
10:24 AM mozmck: How do you set rx packet timeouts?
10:25 AM rmu: trying something like openfastpath would be a nice project
10:41 AM pcw_home: hm2_7i96.0.packet-read-timeout
10:43 AM pcw_home: Yeah a more direct packet interface without getting hardware specific would be an improvement
10:44 AM diverdude: hi....cnc newbie here is back :) I have loaded a g-code file into axis: https://ibb.co/eVfVkT but my problem is that a lot of the drawing exceeds machine minimum on all axes. How can i fix this easily?
10:46 AM jthornton: get a bigger machine...
10:47 AM diverdude: jthornton: but i dont understand....on the axis it looks like the machine is in lower left corner...but tis not
10:48 AM jthornton: is this an actual machine or just a simulator?
10:50 AM diverdude: jthornton: an actual machine
10:50 AM rmu: diverdude: read up on G92, perhaps you have your origin mismatched between g-code and machine
10:51 AM rmu: diverdude: with g92 you can move origin
10:51 AM jthornton: did you touch off to your material?
10:51 AM diverdude: rmu: do you have a good link?
10:51 AM jthornton: I would not use g92 on a milling machine
10:51 AM diverdude: rmu: if i do g92 i get error: "all axes missing with g92"
10:52 AM rmu: diverdude: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g92
10:52 AM jthornton: don't mess with g92
10:52 AM rmu: jthornton: why not
10:52 AM jthornton: because you need to touch off to the material
10:53 AM rmu: diverdude: just remember, g92.1 gets rid of your changes if you get confused
10:53 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen05.html
10:54 AM jthornton: the only machine I use G92 is on my plasma where I jog to a random position and that gets set to X0 and Y0 during my probe move
10:55 AM jthornton: diverdude: did you home the machine? and next did you touch off to your material setting the X0, Y0 and Z0 positions?
10:56 AM diverdude: My machine is definitely not to small....look at the yellow axes: https://ibb.co/fLzWQT I can move machine in much larger area than the face...i just need to somehow move the face up in the postive side of the coordinate set
10:58 AM rmu: jthornton: where does this "touch off" button store the offsets?
10:58 AM diverdude: jthornton: i clicked home axis yes.....but that does not really help. Is that the same as homing the machine?
10:58 AM JT-Shop: in the .var file
10:58 AM rmu: which parameters
10:59 AM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/overview.html#_parameters
11:00 AM JT-Shop: diverdude: you home each axis to set up the soft limits then you touch off the material to set the coordinates for that file/part
11:00 AM rmu: isn't this touch off button just another way to do G92?
11:01 AM cradek: no, G10
11:02 AM rmu: G10 manipulates parameters for G54 and so on... in a persistent way. I usually don't like that
11:03 AM rmu: hmm. or i am missing something.
11:04 AM cradek: there are g5x offsets and g92 offsets. you can use whichever you like. they have different advantages and disadvantages. I (and I think JT-Shop) recommend that new users use the touch off button, which affects the g5x coordinate systems
11:05 AM JT-Shop: yep
11:06 AM diverdude: This is my machine when i jog all the way to '+' as much as i can on X axis: https://ibb.co/nHOY5T and here is all the way to '-' on X axis. For some reason its not at all using the entire space...especially in the '-' direction. Why is that?
11:07 AM diverdude: whoops forgot the '-' position: https://ibb.co/hM7hzo
11:07 AM cradek: you need to set the scale and limits correctly
11:07 AM cradek: and then set up homing correctly
11:07 AM diverdude: cradek: ok...how do i do that?
11:08 AM diverdude: cradek: i do that in axis or in stepconf wizard?
11:08 AM cradek: stepconf
11:08 AM JT-Shop: diverdude: does your machine have home switches?
11:26 AM fragalot: 'sup
11:37 AM JT-Shop: this is a new one for me a fake email from the IRS with a .doc file attached lol
11:37 AM holzjunkie_shop: hello
11:37 AM fragalot: JT-Shop: very common, sadly
11:38 AM fragalot: and the fact that those .doc's are STILL a problem is quite sad, really
11:38 AM diverdude: cradek: sorry...but does the touch off button have anything to do with the spindle?
11:38 AM diverdude: JT-Shop: no there are no switches
11:39 AM JT-Shop: in that case for example for the X axis jog all the way to the left and the home that axis
11:39 AM JT-Shop: put a match mark where you home can help
11:40 AM JT-Shop: then set the limits so you can jog the full distance minus a tad ie after homing you should not be able to jog to a hard stop
11:40 AM diverdude: JT-Shop: but thats the thing...if i jog all the way to the left on the x axis, the spindle is physically sitting in the middle...there is way more space to move left...but its not moving more left when i try to jog left
11:41 AM JT-Shop: unhome that axis then jog all the way to the left
11:41 AM diverdude: JT-Shop: this is how my machine is sitting when its all the way to the left: https://ibb.co/hM7hzo
11:41 AM JT-Shop: yea saw that
11:41 AM diverdude: JT-Shop: oh....how do i unhome?
11:41 AM JT-Shop: it's on the Machine menu
11:42 AM diverdude: ahhhhhhhh
11:43 AM jesseg: howdy diverdude, looks like you're making headway :D
11:43 AM diverdude: yeah hehehe :) slowly but surely
11:44 AM jesseg: lol when I first glanced at the computer screen I read it as "Slowly but severely"
11:45 AM diverdude: JT-Shop: ok its strange....i understand now the homing part (almost) but the thing is that if i home it correctly in the left side it can still only move half way of the machine capability if i click home...should i somehow set both home left and home right?
11:46 AM JT-Shop: no, now you need to set your max limit to match your machine and if you can jog past home to the left set the min limit
11:46 AM JT-Shop: there is only 1 home position per axis (or joint on master)
11:47 AM diverdude: JT-Shop: ok...where do i set the max limit?
11:50 AM diverdude: JT-Shop: do i set that in axis somehow?
11:52 AM JT-Shop: how did you make the configuration?
11:54 AM diverdude: ahh looks like i set it in step conf
11:54 AM JT-Shop: if you have not modified the files outside of the step conf wizard then just run it again
11:54 AM lcvette_: I was having a conversation with a friend who was looking over the plots and i was showing him how far off the following error was and the question was asked how any of the parts were coming out to tolerance? this is on Clints machine which admittedly we have not yet seen his following error yet because of the faulting issue (hopefully to resolve tomorrow)
11:56 AM lcvette_: im guessing its because all of the drives share the same following error?
11:56 AM fragalot: and in both directions
11:56 AM fragalot: but the following error should still be minimized as much as possible
11:57 AM lcvette_: I agree
11:57 AM lcvette_: his current drive tuning would have like 3.4mm of following error
11:57 AM lcvette_: lol
11:57 AM fragalot: lcvette_: also bear in mind that steppers also have a following error :P
11:58 AM fragalot: ...but not 3.4mm worth, lol
11:59 AM lcvette_: i ran some tests at what i assume my max cutting feed rate would be
11:59 AM lcvette_: 200ipm
11:59 AM lcvette_: and the following error is about .001"
11:59 AM lcvette_: in the middle of the move
12:00 PM lcvette_: this is in open loop
12:00 PM lcvette_: as much as i love the closed loop following error of .002mm
12:01 PM lcvette_: the smoothness just goes away and the dirface finish would be horrid
12:01 PM lcvette_: surface*
12:01 PM fragalot: isn't that more because either your encoder doesn't have sufficient resolution, or your PID tuning is off?
12:01 PM gregcnc: did you ever get it running at the real resolution of the drive/stepper?
12:02 PM lcvette_: yes
12:02 PM lcvette_: i tried it at 3333.33 stepscale with a reduce max velocity
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: hi all
12:02 PM lcvette_: there was negligible change
12:02 PM holzjunkie_shop: IchGucksLive: hy the axis are moving
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: as they shoudt
12:03 PM gregcnc: it should jsut be down to tuning
12:03 PM gregcnc: and as shipped they are tuned correctly for the application
12:03 PM holzjunkie_shop: IchGucksLive: :-D naturly not
12:03 PM lcvette_: fragalot: i tuned the pid for hours trying to find what it liked and there didn't seem to be any form of combination that satisfied it
12:04 PM lcvette_: i think im resigned to the fact that its just low quality drives
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: yaskawa is a better one !
12:05 PM lcvette_: of course
12:05 PM lcvette_: with a yaskawa pricetag
12:05 PM gregcnc: fanuc siemens etc. etc, that's not the point
12:05 PM gregcnc: poor documentation doesn't help
12:05 PM lcvette_: greg these are not application specific
12:06 PM diverdude: does axis not have a "go to home on all axis in full speed" button?
12:06 PM gregcnc: no but they did work well as shipped, no?
12:06 PM lcvette_: meaning not designed specific to be paired to this machine
12:06 PM gregcnc: they didn't even setup the drives?
12:06 PM lcvette_: no
12:07 PM gregcnc: and they don't have config for the drives?
12:07 PM lcvette_: they ran power wires and set basic motor pairing code for basic jogging function after power wire connection
12:07 PM fragalot: diverdude: you do not want to home at full speed.
12:08 PM fragalot: diverdude: to the machine, homing means "I have no idea where I am. please figure that out safely"
12:08 PM lcvette_: i supplied the motors
12:08 PM JT-Shop: diverdude: no, but you can add one
12:08 PM gregcnc: oh
12:08 PM lcvette_: and drives from another supplier
12:08 PM JT-Shop: did you get the X axis limits sorted out?
12:08 PM lcvette_: the machine manufacturers generally on suply paired package sets
12:09 PM lcvette_: gsk control with gsk servos and drives etc
12:09 PM lcvette_: they make plug and go packages
12:09 PM JT-Shop: fragalot: he said go to home not home all
12:09 PM gregcnc: why not use something the machinebuilder recommended?
12:09 PM lcvette_: but they won't sell you the gsk servos and drives seperate without the controllers
12:09 PM diverdude: JT-Shop: how so?
12:09 PM lcvette_: like the gsk controller
12:09 PM lcvette_: lol
12:09 PM lcvette_: they recommended it many times
12:09 PM fragalot: JT-Shop: That is true. However I think I interpreted it correctly :P
12:10 PM diverdude: fragalot: i have already told the machine where home is, and it can drive there safely at full speed
12:10 PM diverdude: JT-Shop: yes, X limit works perfect now
12:10 PM JT-Shop: diverdude: the simple way is to add a MDI command in the ini file and a PyVCP button to execute the command G0 G53 X0 Y0 Z0
12:10 PM fragalot: diverdude: in that case, you can use the MDI interface to type in the G-code to go to machine coordinate 0
12:10 PM * fragalot bows to JT-Shop
12:10 PM lcvette_: machine manufacturer only knew the products that were packaged together
12:11 PM lcvette_: beyond that they seemed clueless
12:11 PM gregcnc: right why would they?
12:11 PM gregcnc: most machines only have one control they are built with
12:11 PM JT-Shop: diverdude: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#sec:halui-section
12:11 PM lcvette_: you had you choice of controls
12:12 PM lcvette_: KND, GSK, Siemens, Fanuc
12:12 PM lcvette_: priced accordingly
12:12 PM gregcnc: how much more was Siemes/fanuc vs gsk?
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: <- SIEMENS
12:12 PM diverdude: ahhh awesome hehehe
12:13 PM diverdude: alll 3 axis moving at the same time, and moving to home position :D
12:13 PM lcvette_: by the time you got into a control that was worth a damn the cost added was almost $11-12k
12:13 PM JT-Shop: diverdude: if you run the step conf wizard again you can add a blank PyVCP panel then just edit that
12:13 PM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/pyvcp.html
12:13 PM lcvette_: was not in my budget
12:13 PM diverdude: JT-Shop: oh, cool. thanks for the tip
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: iverdude HOME Mashine shoudt never be 0,0,0
12:14 PM IchGucksLive: it always 5,5,-5
12:14 PM fragalot: lcvette_: no HAAS control? :D
12:14 PM lcvette_: so I suppose for now i will live with the following error i have
12:14 PM lcvette_: maybe down the road upgrade
12:14 PM lcvette_: sure
12:14 PM lcvette_: they are attached to haas machines
12:14 PM fragalot: of course
12:15 PM fragalot: it's like apple, they combine it so they can "gurantee it will work" *coughing fit*
12:15 PM gloops: terrible weather
12:15 PM fragalot: gloops: if it's rain we'll have some
12:16 PM diverdude: ok...its weird...now i have defined all limits, i have homed all axes....everything works great - and then i load a g code file....but still i am getting and error saying that gcodes are under minimum limit......There is more than enough space for this drawing...can i somehow shift all coordinates for this g code file into the right place in the coordinate system?
12:16 PM gloops: 31C here
12:17 PM fragalot: diverdude: jog the spindle to the start location, and "touch off"
12:17 PM gloops: diverdude are you touching off?
12:17 PM lcvette_: gregcnc: the deeper you investigate the controls they offer, i was getting reports of poor performance one most of the lower end controls when 3D motion was desired
12:17 PM lcvette_: fine for 2.5D
12:17 PM diverdude: hmm no i have not pressed the "touch off" button. Should i do that on all axes?
12:18 PM lcvette_: the controls that handled 3D the price jumped almost $7k
12:18 PM gregcnc: lcvette_ not surprising as you are finding contorls aren't easy
12:18 PM lcvette_: they were the higher end siemens and fanuc
12:19 PM gloops: diverdude yes try that - touch off all axis in a spot that would allow the job to fit within the limits
12:19 PM gloops: home all - then touch off
12:20 PM gloops: you will need to do this when you are cutting something
12:20 PM diverdude: gloops: in toouch off, should i set it to 0.0? and what coordinate system should i select?
12:20 PM fragalot: 0, and the default one
12:21 PM fragalot: normally when you make your gcode file, you decide what point of the part you're going to machine will be "0"
12:21 PM fragalot: typically that is one of the corners of the raw stock
12:22 PM diverdude: hmm touching off did not make a difference?
12:23 PM gloops: ok..dont panic
12:24 PM gloops: where did the g-code come from?
12:24 PM fragalot: DON'T PANIC!!!!!!! :D
12:24 PM diverdude: hehehe
12:24 PM diverdude: gloops: i downloaded it
12:24 PM diverdude: gloops: moment i will show it to you
12:24 PM rmu: fisr hit estop and cut power, then panic
12:25 PM diverdude: this one: https://www.cerebralmeltdown.com/download/CamBamG-codeDXFandSTL/gcode/smile.nc
12:25 PM lcvette_: lol
12:25 PM lcvette_: that is good advise!
12:25 PM lcvette_: advice!
12:25 PM lcvette_: focus first panic later
12:26 PM lcvette_: had one of those moments the other day making setting changes on the drive
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, heat wave hit uk brexit delayd
12:26 PM fragalot: lol
12:27 PM lcvette_: i was testing velocity mode tuning and was lowering the time constant on the drive buttons and went down one click and the machine shook and my finger hit the button again and it really started shaking and hit it again then it was a distaster
12:27 PM gloops: IchsGucksLive diverdude is having a slight problem
12:28 PM fragalot: lcvette_: hehe, if you do something wrong, try doing that same thing again? :P
12:28 PM lcvette_: machine was viloently shaking and bucking and i was trying to hit the right button back up to make it stop but they are really close together
12:28 PM gloops: this is in inches diverdude
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: diverdude, what is wrong with gcode
12:28 PM lcvette_: if you were there you would have understood
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: loads perfect
12:28 PM lcvette_: the succession in which it occurred was very fast
12:28 PM rmu: lcvette_: keep the big red button near when doing drive calibration ;)
12:29 PM lcvette_: big red button is in front
12:29 PM lcvette_: drive parameters are at drive
12:29 PM gloops: ichs - getting error message - job outside limits
12:29 PM diverdude: gloops: are you also getting that error?
12:29 PM rmu: lcvette_: install a second one
12:29 PM gloops: i havent got linuxcnc on this computer, cant check it
12:30 PM lcvette_: rmu: that is not a bad idea
12:30 PM lcvette_: probably need several
12:30 PM gloops: this is probabaly a limits and homing issue
12:30 PM gloops: ive had it with mine a few times, ive forgot now what it was
12:31 PM rmu: lcvette_: a trip wire around the machine is also a good idea
12:31 PM JT-Shop: diverdude: the X0 and Y0 for that file is the center of the part, jog to the center of your X and touch off then repeat for Y
12:31 PM gloops: you have got homing switches diverdude?
12:31 PM JT-Shop: no, he does not
12:31 PM rmu: at about knee-height
12:31 PM gloops: ahh
12:32 PM gloops: yes well spotted JT_Shop, i was just waiting to see who would see that first
12:32 PM gregcnc: lol gloops let everyone else do the work
12:32 PM JT-Shop: crap missed the return window on the $250 shower seat 10 days ago
12:32 PM gregcnc: trip wire is curious?
12:32 PM rmu: perhaps wrong word
12:33 PM lcvette_: emergency brake wire on trolly
12:33 PM lcvette_: or train
12:33 PM gregcnc: oh
12:33 PM lcvette_: pull from anywhere around machine to estop
12:33 PM rmu: exactly
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: diverdude, you home to G53 BUT Work on G54
12:35 PM gloops: so diverdude when you make a g-code file in CAM, you set the 0 co-ordinates, this should match XY co-ordinates on your machine, back left say, or front right, whereever they are
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: G54 is under the Touchoff button
12:36 PM gregcnc: right the file needs to call the work offset you touched off , G54 or whatever
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, better to keep ZERO Part at the PART
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: eighter corner or Center
12:36 PM lcvette_: https://goo.gl/images/XyqC8A i need a python plugin to make this work with my estop
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: and pos the part on the table as it is fixed
12:37 PM gregcnc: lcvette_ someone once suggest a sphincter pucker sensor would be fastest
12:37 PM gloops: theres a week or 2 of tedious testing and trial and error, then it just comes as second nature
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: diverdude, screenshothttps://paste.pics/2ee2aa099ac70204e6404fecd107cdbe
12:38 PM lcvette_: gregcnc: lol true enough
12:38 PM rmu: gregcnc: i think if that actuates it may be to late for you spinal chord...
12:38 PM rmu: s/if/when/
12:39 PM diverdude: JT-Shop: ahhhh of course
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: 300ipm is quide fast
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
12:41 PM gloops: Ichs the Queen signed the Brexit bill today, Brexit is law, no going back now
12:41 PM fragalot_: there wasn't any going back since article 50 was started
12:41 PM gloops: unless we behead the Queen
12:41 PM fragalot_: in fact, there wasn't any going back anymore ever since the referendum results
12:42 PM gloops: fragalot there have been enough attempts to reverse it
12:42 PM fragalot_: ofcourse there were
12:42 PM fragalot_: doesn't mean they'll get any result
12:43 PM gloops: i think it will be forgotten soon anyway, europe has other problems looming
12:44 PM rmu: yeah, a lot of 1st world "problems"
12:44 PM gloops: diverdude - like that, your XY machine position will become second nature, https://ibb.co/en6RaT
12:45 PM diverdude: it woooorks :D
12:46 PM JT-Shop: and you know more than you did this morning when you woke up
12:46 PM diverdude: oh yes...much more. Thanks to you guys!!!
12:49 PM diverdude is now known as Guest24637
12:51 PM diverdude: If i want to run commands G code from pyton instead of through axis...Do i then have to do the homing and touching off in python?
12:51 PM gloops: what are you going to be doing with this machine diverdude - metal or wood?
12:52 PM diverdude: gloops: neither :) I am putting a camera instead of the spindle
12:52 PM gloops: some kind of mintaure photography or something?
12:52 PM diverdude: gloops: yes....microscopy actually
12:53 PM gloops: fake moon landings etc
12:53 PM gloops: oh thats an interesting one diverdude
12:53 PM rmu: focus stacking?
12:53 PM diverdude: i want to be able to investigate microscopic landscapes
12:53 PM diverdude: rmu: yes and do auto focusing also
12:54 PM diverdude: i thought it was a cool, fun project to learn these types of machines
12:55 PM rmu: what kind of landscape do you want to investigate?
12:56 PM diverdude: bacterial cultures first
12:56 PM rmu: ok
12:57 PM rmu: interesting
12:58 PM diverdude: so i have purchased some quite good zoom lenses and a good camera also
12:58 PM diverdude: i should be able to see in mu scale
12:58 PM rmu: zoom lense can't be quite good
01:00 PM rmu: cheap DSLR and makro lense should get you <5µm resolution easily, at least in the center
01:00 PM rmu: also webcam and proper optics
01:01 PM diverdude: rmu: yeah true
01:01 PM diverdude: If i want to run commands G code from pyton instead of through axis...Do i then have to do the homing and touching off in python?
01:02 PM rmu: diverdude: thats a strange question somehow as axis is written in python
01:02 PM rmu: you have to home the machine somehow after starting linuxcnc
01:05 PM rmu: some sort of home-switch would make that easier, if your bacteria always is in more or less the same place you don't need to do much "touch off" then
01:06 PM rmu: or you could try to just move the machine beyond its mechanical limits in each axis and then call that home
01:06 PM rmu: BUT that only works if the machine can take it ;)
01:06 PM rmu: some 3d printers do home like this (with stall detection)
01:08 PM diverdude: rmu: right ok....
01:13 PM Beachbumpete1: That's an interesting application for linuxCNC. Pretty cool
01:16 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ME-8108-Momentary-AC-Limit-Switch-Roller-Lever-CNC-Mill-Laser-Plasma-Waterproof/113063248675?
01:16 PM gloops: any of these kind of switches will do for this, the problem is though where to wire up to the bob
01:19 PM rmu: gloops: these seem a bit large for that cute little machine
01:26 PM MrHindsight: ask any garage mechanic, bigger is always better :)
01:28 PM MrHindsight: https://ibin.co/2u5W3RNmUMtN.jpg
01:28 PM MrHindsight: https://ibin.co/2u5XXEUdLjMj.jpg
01:29 PM MrHindsight: ^50um gap with $10 USB microscope
01:29 PM lcvette_: so i am now trying to figure out to to get my gui to let me use inches instead of metric, the dro has a button to switch between mm/inch but it doesn't change my jog increment which is important to me
01:31 PM lcvette_: i just read through the whole gmoccapy wiki page and it talks about jog increments having 6 hal pins but not about how t change them to inches
01:31 PM lcvette_: the ini file has the increments listed but when i change those it juist changes in mm
01:32 PM lcvette_: so im not sure where else to turn at this point
01:33 PM Tom_itx: you want to change your whole setup to inch now?
01:33 PM lcvette_: no just the jog incrmeent
01:33 PM lcvette_: display
01:33 PM lcvette_: and function
01:34 PM andypugh: You can mix metric and imperial jog incrments in the iNI
01:34 PM andypugh: They might get comvereted to base machine units, but at least it will jog in round-numbers on the display
01:34 PM lcvette_: can or can't
01:36 PM lcvette_: oh, you mean scale them?
01:36 PM lcvette_: .001" = .0254mm
01:37 PM andypugh: No, you can just give the units.
01:37 PM andypugh: INCREMENTS http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#_display_section
01:38 PM andypugh: (Though that only applies to the Axis interface. Where are your increments coming from?)
01:39 PM lcvette_: gmoccapy
01:39 PM lcvette_: ini
01:39 PM lcvette_: i'll try it
01:39 PM andypugh: I don’t know anything about Gmoccapy (and I haven’t seen any sign of Norbert on the forum for over a month)
01:41 PM diverdude: hmm why am i getting "Cannot use g53 incremental" error when i do this? G0 G53 X23.678 Y24.178
01:42 PM andypugh: Because you must be in incremental mode and incremental mode has no meaning in G53
01:43 PM Beachbumpete1: try G53 G0 X23.678 Y24.178
01:43 PM diverdude: Beachbumpete1: same error
01:43 PM Tom_itx: G90
01:44 PM andypugh: diverdude: Do you _want_ to be in incremental mode?
01:44 PM rmu: diverdude: you are in incremental mode. that means G0/G1 take deltas, i.e. distance to move. g53 instructs the machine to move to absolute machine coordinates, regardless of any offsets. that cleary can't happen both at the same time, ergo error
01:45 PM diverdude: andypugh: i actually just want to move to those coordinates absolutely
01:45 PM diverdude: oh right
01:45 PM andypugh: And then?
01:45 PM Lcvette: andypugh: hugspp
01:45 PM Lcvette: andypugh: hugs bro
01:46 PM MrHindsight: http://charteroakautomation.com/our-products/cnc-bed-mill/ Tormach competitor
01:46 PM phipli: andypugh, https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/26/gemini_sailfish/
01:47 PM andypugh: I am confused by Jolla Sailfish and Jetty Sailfish....
01:47 PM diverdude: rmu: but when i try to move with only G0 it says it will exceed join 0 and 1's limit
01:47 PM diverdude: like thisG0 X23.678 Y24.178
01:47 PM MrHindsight: fragalot_: those reworked RF45's in EU for ~$5K, are they manual?
01:47 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: yes
01:48 PM MrHindsight: http://charteroakautomation.com/our-products/manual-bed-mill/
01:48 PM MrHindsight: looks like these are similar in the US
01:48 PM fragalot_: sure, but that's the chinese factory version
01:49 PM andypugh: MrHindsight: Saying that Tormach is a fail for not coming with Mach3 is a bit misleading.
01:49 PM MrHindsight: yeah
01:49 PM diverdude: rmu: shouldnt i be able to move that amount?
01:49 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: you can get the "standard RF45 clones for €2700 with BT30 & 1.5kW spindle
01:49 PM rmu: diverdude: G90/G91 switches between incremental and absolute mode
01:50 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: mine is a BT30 with 2.5kW 2-speed motor, and hand-scraped dovetails (well, it is now) :P
01:50 PM diverdude: so i should do G91 G0 X23.678 Y24.178 ?
01:50 PM MrHindsight: fragalot_: i saw some Chinese versions here in the raw for <$2K
01:50 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: depends on options, but you do seem to have cheaper machines in the US
01:50 PM rmu: diverdude: yes, perhaps also with G53
01:50 PM fragalot_: for example my chinese 250x550mm lathe was €2700
01:51 PM MrHindsight: not shopping for myself, just looking at the market
01:51 PM fragalot_: whilst i'm sure you could get a similar machine in the US for half that
01:51 PM diverdude: rmu: hmmm i still get the same error
01:51 PM Tom_itx: G91 is incremental
01:51 PM Tom_itx: G90 is absolute
01:51 PM diverdude: rmu: i have 400x400 mm so i have enough space....weird that this error is thrown
01:51 PM andypugh: diverdude: What. actually, do you want to do?
01:51 PM MrHindsight: wonder what the duty %/VAT is for a mill from US to the EU is now
01:51 PM rmu: sorry. G90 then.
01:52 PM fragalot_: everyone, diverdude, please read this: http://xyproblem.info/
01:52 PM fragalot_: :D
01:52 PM MrHindsight: tariff madness
01:52 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: high.
01:53 PM MrHindsight: fragalot_: I only questions submitted along with a full product spec
01:53 PM MrHindsight: only answer
01:54 PM rmu: MrHindsight: what did he do this time
01:54 PM diverdude: andypugh: i am trying now to create G codes that will move my CNC like this https://ibb.co/d2ZbS8 (along blue track)
01:54 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: typically, you're looking at ~25 to 30% increase in purchasing price, for consumers
01:54 PM fragalot_: in belgium
01:54 PM gregcnc: diverdude what do the dots indicate?
01:55 PM diverdude: gregcnc: they indicate where i want to stop and take a picture
01:55 PM MrHindsight: fragalot_: how about Taiwan to the EU, same rates? Does China get a break to the EU?
01:56 PM diverdude: gregcnc: the red frames are where the image is supposed to cover
01:56 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: similar
01:56 PM diverdude: gregcnc: so first of all i am trying to understand what G codes i need to create to make such a trajectory
01:57 PM gregcnc: I would give those locations absolute coordinates.
01:57 PM diverdude: gregcnc: yes..i have all those absolute coordinates
01:57 PM diverdude: its in mm
01:57 PM diverdude: gregcnc: but i cannot seem to figure out what G codes to use to get to those coordinates
01:58 PM MrHindsight: is anyone selling CNC mills with Linuxcnc pre-installed?
01:58 PM rmu: diverdude: G53 is the coordinate system where (0/0/0) is always defined by your homing operation, so no offsets. you can't permanently switch linuxcnc into G53, so it is using some other coordinate system like G54, G55, etc.... one of those you defined via touch off.
01:58 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: I am not aware of any commercial ones
01:58 PM MrHindsight: I've only seen them with mach
01:59 PM diverdude: rmu: in touch off i chose G54 (default)
01:59 PM MrHindsight: except for Tormach
01:59 PM fragalot_: either mach, some chinese jobbo, or typical industrial
01:59 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/possibly-a-David-Dowling-pantograph/323311205109?
01:59 PM lcvette__: andypugh: if i change this line in the ini: LINEAR_UNITS = mm I am guessing i need to manually convert all metric units to inches or i'll have issues?
01:59 PM fragalot_: tormach is VERY rare here because they refuse to have a CE stamp & have a local distributor
01:59 PM fragalot_: everyone hates the hassle with importing
02:00 PM gloops: g61 will give exact moves, g64 a compromise between speed and accuracy
02:00 PM lcvette__: i see in the wiki everything is based on "machine units"
02:00 PM diverdude: gregcnc: how would you instruct the machine to move in that pattern?
02:00 PM gregcnc: G0 Xvalue Yvalue
02:00 PM gregcnc: some code to execute photo
02:00 PM rmu: diverdude: your HOMEing defines the origin (or wherever you home is) in absolute coordinates, combined with scale and limits this should correspond to where your machine can move and have sensible directions, i.e. be a right-handed coordinate system
02:00 PM gregcnc: next G0
02:01 PM diverdude: gregcnc: ok i tried that but its giving me error :(
02:01 PM lcvette__: im affraid if i stay metric i will run into issues everywhere im not considering right now
02:02 PM diverdude: rmu: yeah...i have homed it properly and i have max limits set properly also
02:02 PM MrHindsight: https://www.microkinetics.com/index.php?page=conv_kits/midsize
02:02 PM gregcnc: you nee to get familiar with how the work offsets, coordinates systems and absolute/incremental modes work
02:02 PM rmu: diverdude: if the coordinates you know are absolute positions in this frame then define G54 with no offsets, define HOME to be in 0/0/0, move there, home the machine, and you should be ready
02:02 PM diverdude: rmu: but i feel thats what i did already
02:02 PM MrHindsight: https://www.microkinetics.com/index.php?page=express/express
02:03 PM rmu: diverdude: where is your absolute machine origin?
02:03 PM diverdude: rmu: you mean home?
02:04 PM rmu: AFAIK you can move home somewhere else, but probably your HOME is your ORIGIN ;)
02:04 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: easy to find for inch machines, harder to find for the metric ones.. especially because no RF45 clone is the same.
02:04 PM gregcnc: diverdude are you using axis?
02:04 PM miss0r: goodevening
02:04 PM diverdude: rmu: i did home in upper left corner of the machine and touch off in the middle more or less and chose G54 when i touch off
02:04 PM fragalot_: heya miss0r
02:04 PM diverdude: gregcnc: yes
02:04 PM gloops: open the INI file
02:04 PM gregcnc: F3 and which gcode are active?
02:04 PM miss0r: hey fragalot. hows progress?
02:04 PM fragalot_: halted
02:05 PM fragalot_: need gibs
02:05 PM diverdude: gregcnc: you mean F5?
02:05 PM rmu: diverdude: and the coordinates you want to move to are with resp. to G54 or to home?
02:05 PM miss0r: just send me a drawing, and get it over with :P
02:05 PM gregcnc: G20 or G21?
02:05 PM diverdude: rmu: respective to G54
02:06 PM gregcnc: whatever MDI is. I don't have Fkeys for a while now
02:06 PM diverdude: rmu: should i maybe write G54 G0 X23.678 Y24.178 ?
02:06 PM rmu: and you say G0 X23 Y23 doesn't work?
02:06 PM diverdude: no that also gave error
02:07 PM rmu: what error?
02:07 PM rmu: G54 is persistent, so executing that once should suffice (until you change to some other system like G55...)
02:08 PM diverdude: rmu: Linear move on line 0 would exceed joint 0's positive limit and Linear move on line 0 would exceed joint 1's positive limit
02:08 PM gregcnc: is G20 or G21 active?
02:08 PM diverdude: gregcnc: i dont know. how can i see that?
02:09 PM rmu: diverdude: just enter G21 enter, then you are in mm
02:09 PM diverdude: G20
02:09 PM rmu: just to make sure
02:09 PM gregcnc: MDI
02:09 PM rmu: G20 means units are inches
02:09 PM diverdude: yipeee
02:09 PM diverdude: that was it
02:09 PM MrHindsight: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/cnc-milling-machine/
02:09 PM MrHindsight: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl-6060-mold-maker-machine/
02:10 PM gregcnc: the box under the MDI line shows the active g codes
02:10 PM gregcnc: it will tell you several importnt things
02:10 PM gregcnc: like active units and work offsets
02:12 PM andypugh: diverdude: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MRCBmYZq3F/
02:13 PM MrHindsight: fragalot_: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/taig-gecko-cnc-mill-milling-machine-engraver-router/ specs are a bit misleading
02:13 PM diverdude: andypugh: wow..i want to try that
02:14 PM MrHindsight: "Position increment resolution 0.000025 thats 40000 steps per inch now that is smooth" and carbon atoms are under 1nm in dia, confused yet?
02:15 PM fragalot_: hehe
02:15 PM fragalot_: I wonder if the X axis is truly hard anodised, or just anodisd
02:16 PM andypugh: diverdude: Just paste it in to a text editor and save as an .ngc file
02:16 PM XXCoder: "made in usa, no return accept"
02:16 PM XXCoder: chineseium language but made in usa heh
02:17 PM andypugh: (looking at it, move line 19 after line 21. It works as it is, but the operation order it unintuitive
02:17 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: he has a PhD from the U of Illinois
02:17 PM MrHindsight: born in China
02:18 PM XXCoder: ah makes sense
02:18 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: no offence, but i've spoken to chinese people that have a better grasp of the english language than the average american
02:19 PM MrHindsight: it's funny whenever I go there he remembers me and somehow always manages to show me his Paypal balance
02:19 PM gregcnc: Weren't Taig steel? When did they change to aluminum?
02:19 PM MrHindsight: fragalot_: well they teach American here
02:20 PM diverdude: andypugh: nice, that works. What stepsize are you using?
02:20 PM andypugh: It’s configurable, edit the named parameters at the top of the file
02:21 PM andypugh: How do you intend to take photos?
02:22 PM MrHindsight: fragalot_: they are proud of their lack of English, mission accomplished
02:23 PM diverdude: andypugh: well i have to run everything from within a python code. So i move and then take picture...everything from within python. This is the python code i currently have for this: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/7jKvkC9fzX/
02:24 PM diverdude: andypugh: i know that its creating the correct track because when i plot it - its correct. I am just not sure if I need some sort of wait or something between each mdi instruction
02:24 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: :-)
02:24 PM andypugh: Ah, OK, so a G-code solution is no help?
02:24 PM diverdude: andypugh: its doing something when i am running the python script....but much faster than what you sent me
02:25 PM diverdude: andypugh: well its of course good for learning for me
02:25 PM andypugh: Well, the G-code has a G4 P1 (1 second pause)
02:25 PM andypugh: If you take out the G4 commands you qill find it moves pretty fast :-)
02:25 PM diverdude: andypugh: ohhi will try that hehe
02:28 PM diverdude: andypugh: hmm removing G4 P1 did not change speed much
02:28 PM diverdude: ahh there are 2 :)
02:29 PM diverdude: andypugh: ok...yours look much more correct than mine
02:29 PM diverdude: andypugh: can you try to execute my python code and see what you get
02:30 PM andypugh: Your python code probably needs to poll for s.inpos then take the photo, then wait for the photo to be complete.
02:31 PM diverdude: andypugh: like this? return not s.estop and s.enabled and s.homed and (s.interp_state == linuxcnc.INTERP_IDLE)
02:34 PM andypugh: diverdude: Your Python really does take an interesting path, doesn’t it?
02:35 PM diverdude: andypugh: it takes this path: https://ibb.co/d2ZbS8
02:35 PM andypugh: It doesn’t on my machine. Must be the G90 G91 thing
02:36 PM MrHindsight: fragalot_: it's been a few decades process https://www.amazon.com/Idiot-America-Stupidity-Became-Virtue/dp/0767926153
02:37 PM XXCoder: ignorance of facts is not a valid argument against facts
02:37 PM XXCoder: thats my view on life, the universe, everything
02:38 PM MrHindsight: facts are popular opinion
02:38 PM MrHindsight: to those
02:38 PM andypugh: diverdude: No, it does really wierd things in both G90 and G91
02:39 PM diverdude: andypugh: hmm ok i see
02:39 PM diverdude: andypugh: strange
02:39 PM diverdude: andypugh: i wonder why....that plot i showed you is made from that exact code with those exact coordinates used to generate the gcodes
02:40 PM andypugh: I get this. https://ibb.co/knNmc8 so you can see my G-code grid and then your Python in both G90 and G91 modes
02:41 PM andypugh: The diagonal straight line is just the return-to-zero
02:42 PM diverdude: andypugh: yeah that does look weird
02:42 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: this is from 1963 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism_in_American_Life
02:43 PM diverdude: andypugh: these are all the Gcodes i generate in the python script
02:43 PM diverdude: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R6STrwy6zT/
02:43 PM XXCoder: need to fight antu-intellectualism
02:43 PM XXCoder: its not new, but the surge last 10 years are scary to see.
02:44 PM MrHindsight: no end in sight
02:44 PM XXCoder: being dumb is easy.
02:45 PM XXCoder: its no wonder it always come back
02:45 PM XXCoder: wave generator https://youtu.be/WffR6HrEqTA
02:46 PM diverdude: andypugh: ok i tried making an ngc file from all the gridcodes and its moving correctly
02:47 PM diverdude: andypugh: try saving this to an ngc file and run it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cfdpsdjMBc/
02:48 PM lcvette__: need some math sanity check
02:49 PM diverdude: andypugh: looks ok right?
02:49 PM lcvette__: 1000 pulses per mm = 25400 pulses per inch
02:49 PM lcvette__: for encoder scale
02:49 PM lcvette__: 20000ppr, 6mm screw
02:51 PM lcvette__: 25.4/6=4.233333333 x 20000 = 84666.6666 for encoder scale?
02:52 PM andypugh: You shouldn’t need _any_ of that.
02:53 PM andypugh: Ah, sorry, wait, I got the people asking quesitons mixed up
02:53 PM lcvette__: lol
02:54 PM andypugh: diverdude: The loopy G-code seems a lot neater to me.
02:54 PM MrHindsight: https://youtu.be/o3E4s59OSLQ?t=4m25s seems like a waste of waterjet
02:56 PM andypugh: diverdude: Try using G61.1 at the top of the G-code
02:57 PM diverdude: andypugh: in the python program?
02:57 PM lcvette__: pcw_home said im limited to 6 digits in the encoder scale i believe so i would have to cut it to 84666.6
02:58 PM andypugh: No, in the G-code version
02:58 PM diverdude: andypugh: then it makes small brakes
02:58 PM diverdude: andypugh: movement is correct
02:58 PM andypugh: I thought you would want that?
02:58 PM diverdude: andypugh: yeah i do...but i just dont understand why it does not work when i execute these commands from python code
02:59 PM diverdude: andypugh: its the same g-codes i execute from python...so i must be missing something
03:01 PM diverdude: andypugh: because in the end i want it to run from within python and not from an ngc file
03:01 PM andypugh: Yes, and so am I
03:02 PM diverdude: andypugh: do you know how to run g codes from python?
03:08 PM andypugh: Ytu it with a c.wait_complete() after the c.mdi() command
03:08 PM andypugh: *Try it with..
03:10 PM diverdude: andypugh: yipeeee that works :D
03:17 PM diverdude: thanks so much for this help....its a big help for me
03:18 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: put... put a brick in it.
03:18 PM andypugh: No problem. I confess to being a bit puzzled about why the MDI interface ignores G61
03:21 PM fragalot_: MrHindsight: I wonder what the reason behind atomizing the water like that in the last one is.. surely that must create a hell of a lot of back-pressure & therefore reduce the flowrate?
03:22 PM fragalot_: perhaps it's to avoid heavy erosion
03:22 PM MrHindsight: fragalot_: have a time?
03:22 PM MrHindsight: last few seconds of video?
03:23 PM fragalot_: yes
03:24 PM gloops: wow finally got the fanbelt on, been cursing them for giving me the wrong belt for 3 hours
03:24 PM gloops: one of those rare occasions when a very last go..worked
03:25 PM fragalot_: so it is the right belt then
03:25 PM gloops: yes perfect fit lol
03:25 PM gloops: very awkward to fit alone
03:25 PM fragalot_: yup :-)
03:26 PM gloops: i had to remove an idler pulley, then with tensioner pushed back to max, got the belt on the other pulleys - still very tight, but strangely one in line on the others it seemed to gain a bit, slipped the idler back on, bingo
03:27 PM gloops: once in line
03:27 PM gregcnc: new belts are always a lot tighter
03:27 PM gloops: theyre usually a pain yeah, but this definitely looked too small when i started
03:28 PM fragalot_: what you could do
03:28 PM fragalot_: is to run the belt for a bit to stretch it out
03:28 PM fragalot_: and then it will go on much easier
03:28 PM gregcnc: run it on what?
03:28 PM fragalot_: an engine
03:28 PM fragalot_: :P
03:28 PM gregcnc: the one I keep spare for running in belts, oh right
03:29 PM fragalot_: (it was a joke >.>)
03:29 PM gregcnc: clearly
03:34 PM lcvette__: is there anything in the hal file that would need to be changed when converting from metric units to inch units?
03:35 PM gloops: someone just bought angle grinder back..
03:35 PM pcw_mesa: all the position/velocity/acceleration scaling numbers
03:36 PM pcw_mesa: why would you change from mm to inches? and not just use g20/21?
03:36 PM lcvette__: all the controls are in metric
03:36 PM lcvette__: sliders
03:36 PM lcvette__: etc
03:37 PM gloops: why not make a duplicate config but in inches, youve got both then
03:37 PM lcvette__: thats what im doing
03:38 PM gloops: didnt you run stepconfig to get the skeleton file
03:38 PM XXCoder: lol full size HDPE sheet http://www.jhslchina.com/ProInfo_573.html
03:38 PM XXCoder: crazy.
03:38 PM lcvette__: im not seeing anything in the hal file with numbers
03:39 PM lcvette__: besides pin numbers
03:39 PM gloops: i finally found local supplier of oak board, £10 metre
03:40 PM lcvette__: pcw_mesa: did you mean the ini?
03:41 PM pcw_mesa: Yes wherever they are
03:41 PM lcvette__: ive changed the ini
03:41 PM andypugh: gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132636644174
03:41 PM lcvette__: i just wasn't sure about anything in the hal needing a change also
03:41 PM andypugh: (I bought two of them)
03:42 PM gloops: that will be spruce or pine id guess andypugh?
03:43 PM andypugh: No, as it says “Green English Oak wavey boards”
03:44 PM gloops: Treated Swedish Timber im getting
03:45 PM andypugh: I specifically wanted english oak
03:45 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: https://youtu.be/JNOSRYxfFqg?t=2m29s she sums it up in the next 2 minutes
03:46 PM gloops: http://www.hoylanddismantling.co.uk/product-133/air-dried-oak-boards.php
03:46 PM gloops: i mean the url you gave - says swedish treated timber
03:47 PM andypugh: No it doesn’t
03:48 PM XXCoder: one of points is less and less reading books. yep concerned about it
03:48 PM XXCoder: I read insane number of books so maybe its just my viewpoint dunno
03:49 PM andypugh: gloops: Though, bizarrely, Hoyland would have been handy for me, as the boards I bought are for a window sill in Huddersfield.
03:49 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Treated-Swedish-Timber-REG-C16-C24-ALL-SIZES-LENGTHS-2X2-3X2-4X2-6X2-8X2-9x2-/201444346452?
03:49 PM MrHindsight: suspicion of too much learning, why Idiocracy was so funny
03:49 PM gloops: i dont why but that comes up when i click on your link
03:49 PM MrHindsight: "there goes that fag talk again"
03:49 PM andypugh: gloops: Look at the auction id…
03:50 PM XXCoder: indeed. imange this, standard so lowered that average soldier IQ is now at supergenius level
03:50 PM gloops: The listing you’re looking for is no longer available. Check out this similar item we found for you. ahh..
03:50 PM andypugh: gloops: I think that the Swedes are doing a man-in-the-middle attack on your eBay acccount.
03:51 PM gloops: possibly - i wouldnt put it past them heh
03:51 PM MrHindsight: I like Swedish fish (if anyone was wondering)
03:52 PM gloops: youre not supposed to make cheese with fish MrHindsight
03:54 PM gloops: wonder why 'Hoyland Dismantlers' are selling oak timber, could be oak sleepers sawn up maybe
03:54 PM MrHindsight: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/50/bf/17/50bf17c31b834ec2cb27da016e4acb4b.jpg
03:59 PM Tom_itx: Lcvette don't forget all your subroutines for tool changer etc are metric
04:00 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
04:06 PM Deejay: gn8
04:15 PM lcvette__: im getting a error message: hm2/hm2_7i92.0: stepgen.02.maxvel is too big for current step timing and position-scale, clipping to max possible
04:16 PM gregcnc: ebay is now rerouting completed listings to "similar" active listings
04:16 PM gloops: ebay is doing quite a bit of dubious stuff
04:17 PM gregcnc: if you click "listing" in "The listing you’re looking for is no longer available. Check out this similar item we found for you." it will take you to the original
04:17 PM gregcnc: EBAY pretty much sucks now
04:18 PM gloops: you look at something, it says '62 sold' when you check the feedback though, it isnt 62 of that specific item, its all kinds of items that the seller has listed
04:18 PM pcw_mesa: lcvette__ likely means you forgot to scale something in inches
04:18 PM lcvette__: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BJ4Hr4w3xr/
04:18 PM gregcnc: gloops that's never happened to me
04:18 PM MrHindsight: gregcnc: it's even harder to search for specific items now
04:19 PM gregcnc: yes
04:19 PM gregcnc: now they throw in stuff they think fits
04:19 PM lcvette__: probably, but its specific in its error code to my z axis and im looking it over and don't see it there
04:19 PM pcw_mesa: STEPGEN_MAXVEL = 87.50
04:20 PM lcvette__: that axis is actually slower then the others
04:20 PM MrHindsight: gregcnc: I find myself using the -minus all the time after the results come back
04:20 PM lcvette__: doh
04:20 PM pcw_mesa: 87.5 IPS?
04:20 PM tjb1: Anyone tried 3D printing a torch breakaway?
04:20 PM gregcnc: i do - sometimes, depends
04:21 PM gloops: Diego Maradona rushed to hospital http://thesun.uk/6016Dmo9m
04:21 PM lcvette__: im going cross eyed
04:21 PM lcvette__: thank you
04:21 PM lcvette__: i scaled up 70 instead of 5.9
04:24 PM MrHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsura-MC-760V-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-with-Fanuc-Control/173368870490 $2250
04:24 PM lcvette__: Thanks pcw_mesa
04:24 PM lcvette__: seems to be working correctly
04:25 PM lcvette__: all my sliders are now in ipm
04:25 PM lcvette__: my increments are in inches
04:25 PM lcvette__: starts in inches
04:25 PM tjb1: MrHindsight: would suck if the spindle didnt work
04:26 PM lcvette__: :/
04:27 PM MrHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cincinnati-Sabre-750-vertical-machining-center-vmc-cnc-mill/123194555992 $1750 or best
04:27 PM MrHindsight: tjb1: yeah, I'd like to hear it first
04:27 PM MrHindsight: $1100 or best https://www.ebay.com/itm/Makino-CNC-Vertical-Mill-with-Fanuc-Sharnoa-Controls/323080035374
04:28 PM MrHindsight: heh "Machine sold as-is. $1,000 or best offer."
04:29 PM MrHindsight: why is the table soo rusty?
04:30 PM tjb1: wow
04:30 PM tjb1: that thing is terrible
04:30 PM gloops: could be rusty chips
04:31 PM gloops: rub off with some wire wool
04:32 PM tjb1: guess im spoiled that I get to program relatively new machines
04:33 PM hazzy-lab: Looks like it has not been used hard, too bad somebody let it rust
04:34 PM andypugh: It would probably clean up, machine tools always look far more ruty in photos.
04:34 PM andypugh: But is it CNC? It looks like a copy mill.
04:35 PM hazzy-lab: looks like a tracer ..
04:35 PM andypugh: I think we mean the same thing
04:35 PM gloops: theres rusty stuff on the painted surfaces as well, its probably more tarnished than rusty, something theyve milled smeared about with coolant
04:36 PM hazzy-lab: andypugh: I was agreeing with you :)
04:36 PM tjb1: anyone else enjoy C/A axis programming?
04:37 PM andypugh: tjb1: By hand?
04:37 PM andypugh: Lke this? http://bodgesoc.blogspot.com/2016/11/cams.html
04:37 PM tjb1: yeah of course
04:37 PM tjb1: cam software is for noobs
04:38 PM tjb1: oh yeah lots of macro variables too
04:38 PM tjb1: thats the stuff
04:41 PM MrHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAZAK-AJV-25-405-CNC-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER-VMC-M32-Mazatrol/282897116749 must be some scam
04:41 PM MrHindsight: $3k
04:41 PM tjb1: I've got one where I bring the turret down, run the center in the sub into it and then pull machine variables to find the length of the center to turn the nose of it
04:42 PM gloops: hand coding is not practical for many things
04:42 PM MrHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAZAK-H500-50-CNC-HORIZONTAL-MACHINING-CENTER-80-ATC-RID-TAP-CAT-50-20-PALLETS/282897109054
04:42 PM MrHindsight: same seller
04:43 PM MrHindsight: _methods: https://www.ebay.com/itm/STARRETT-RGDC-4040-24-CMM/282822526476 $1500
04:43 PM tjb1: gloops: we do a lot of macro programming at work
04:44 PM MrHindsight: tjb1: how many lines of code fit within the term "macro"?
04:44 PM tjb1: ?
04:45 PM Tom_L: Mazak for 2K? what's wrong with it?
04:45 PM Tom_L: doesn't look all that old
04:45 PM tjb1: Tom_L: 1 feedback
04:45 PM MrHindsight: yeah, something fishy
04:45 PM tjb1: MrHindsight: what do you mean how many lines fit in the term?
04:46 PM andypugh: I wrote an Excel “macro” at work. 20,000 lines of code :-)
04:46 PM MrHindsight: when is it too big to be called a macro?
04:46 PM tjb1: I mean fanuc macrob
04:47 PM MrHindsight: discussing semantics
04:47 PM tjb1: I dont know of CAM that can work with it
04:48 PM gregcnc: mazak with the same s/n? https://goo.gl/RCSNSE
04:48 PM tjb1: andypugh: how do you create each line? concatenate?
04:49 PM andypugh: It’s a “macro” written in Visual Basic
04:49 PM tjb1: oh
04:49 PM andypugh: Which, amongst other things, replaces _all_ the Excel menus,, ribbons and contextual menus with new ones.
04:50 PM tjb1: ive dabbled in making an add in so I can update a sheet shop wide without sending it to everyone all the time
04:50 PM tjb1: starts to become a pain when all the code isnt running in the workbook anymore
04:52 PM MrHindsight: $1600 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Okuma-And-Howa-Act-4-CNC-Lathe/132677955754
04:52 PM andypugh: MrHindsight: Auction, might have a reserve
04:53 PM tjb1: andypugh: there have been talks about moving python into excel
04:53 PM MrHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-Lathe-SL-2B-big-bore-cnc-lathe/182485822619 $2200
04:54 PM gregcnc: I knew I saw an AJV-25 today https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/d/mazak-ajvcnc-milling-machine/6627151460.html
05:03 PM MrHindsight is now known as CaptHindsight
05:11 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.machinedesign.com/motion-control/how-maximize-gearmotor-speed-range-0
05:13 PM lcvette__: sweet everything is up an running in inches now even ATC! whoo hoo that was a big todo list item!
05:13 PM lcvette__: is anyone using a shuttleprov2 as a pendant?
05:14 PM lcvette__: thats next on my list
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: lcvette__: did you get the servos tuned?
05:14 PM lcvette__: as tuned as they will get
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: what mode did you end up using and what was the major challenge?
05:16 PM lcvette__: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/uncategorised-metalworking-machines/309614-cnc-tormach-posts-30.html
05:17 PM lcvette__: last post has the graphs from start to finish
05:17 PM lcvette__: rough hops
05:17 PM lcvette__: position
05:17 PM lcvette__: velocity was all funky
05:17 PM lcvette__: couldn't get it to do what i wanted
05:18 PM lcvette__: and the base following error was off
05:18 PM lcvette__: not near the cmd position line
05:18 PM lcvette__: i pretty much give up
05:18 PM lcvette__: gave it a solid week of tinkering and think its a drive quality issue
05:19 PM CaptHindsight: so for the servo drives the feedback would be: would not buy again
05:19 PM lcvette__: going to reserve that until i make some parts
05:20 PM lcvette__: I have no experience with other servos to compare them to
05:20 PM lcvette__: ive been a stepper user for the last 15 years
05:21 PM lcvette__: maybe if they make good parts with nice finishes to tolerance they have a place in the market
05:21 PM pcw_mesa: Its within ~1/4 mill when moving at ~12 IPS, thats pretty close, no drive will be perfect
05:22 PM lcvette__: they were certainly some of the most affordable and at the time that was a criteria rather important
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: +40 hours of your time :)
05:23 PM lcvette__: i think this round would have taken similar with most servos
05:23 PM lcvette__: starting from scratch for the first time
05:23 PM lcvette__: maybe not
05:23 PM lcvette__: maybe learning tuning software would have taken that long
05:23 PM lcvette__: i don't know?
05:24 PM lcvette__: pcw_mesa: if you are refering to the closed loop graph, the machine is so riddled with vibration in closed loop i doubt i could use it and make decently finished parts
05:25 PM pcw_mesa: the drives didnt help by having their feed forward turned off by default (so multi-mm following errors at speed)
05:25 PM lcvette__: TRUTH
05:25 PM pcw_mesa: lower the P term
05:25 PM lcvette__: I tried
05:25 PM lcvette__: i tried and tried and tried
05:25 PM lcvette__: there was no combination that it liked
05:26 PM pcw_mesa: reducing the P term has to reduce the vibration
05:26 PM pcw_mesa: (as long as you have no D )
05:26 PM lcvette__: yeah and then things would get wonky elsewhere
05:26 PM lcvette__: i mean reducing the P
05:26 PM lcvette__: \i tried mainly with no D
05:27 PM lcvette__: then i tried with D
05:27 PM lcvette__: i was pretty systematic about it
05:27 PM pcw_mesa: You really should never use D here
05:27 PM pcw_mesa: remove D reduce P by a factor of 2
05:28 PM lcvette__: i think it is the fact of having all the gain turned up
05:28 PM lcvette__: in the drive
05:28 PM pcw_mesa: the drive may be close to oscillation
05:28 PM lcvette__: but if i turn it down... the Ferror base is too far for the pid to work
05:28 PM lcvette__: correct
05:29 PM lcvette__: just no good combination between drive settings and pid to be able to work together happily
05:29 PM lcvette__: need a lower gain setting with a closer ferror curve to start before getting the pid loop involved in closed loop to the controller
05:30 PM lcvette__: then i think it would have worked great
05:30 PM lcvette__: for now i don't have the capital to drop on new motors and drives
05:31 PM lcvette__: so im going to run them with the base ferror curve as close to normal as possible with as little vibration as possible and see how it does
05:32 PM lcvette__: my part tolerances aren't nasa critical
05:32 PM lcvette__: and while i would like to be able to get there
05:32 PM CaptHindsight: pcw_mesa: is DataPainter module hosted for the public somewhere yet?
05:33 PM lcvette__: it may have to wait a few months while i recover
05:33 PM pcw_mesa: If you reduce LinuxCNCs P term by a factor of 2 it should reduce the vibration significantly
05:34 PM lcvette__: i went down as low as 40 on P
05:34 PM lcvette__: with I and D at 0
05:34 PM lcvette__: all that did was make the ferror get out of hand
05:34 PM pcw_mesa: and you still had vibration?
05:34 PM lcvette__: yeah still had vibration
05:35 PM pcw_mesa: maybe the encoder feedback from the drive is noisy
05:36 PM pcw_mesa: you could use a combination of P and I
05:36 PM lcvette__: tried that too
05:36 PM lcvette__: that seemed to make the motor vibrate even at rest
05:36 PM pcw_mesa: (i usually has to be quite large to notice the effects)
05:36 PM pcw_mesa: vibration at rest is often a separate issue
05:37 PM pfred1: restless motor syndrome
05:38 PM lcvette__: when i turned the I up high enough thats when it would start to continue vibrating after stopping
05:38 PM pcw_mesa: how high?
05:39 PM lcvette__: i tried as high as .3ish started at .01
05:39 PM pcw_mesa: I would expect an I of 100 or so before you see a real difference
05:40 PM CaptHindsight: NVM, found the VHDL file
05:40 PM lcvette__: i can try it again
05:40 PM lcvette__: but i just got summoned to the dinner table
05:40 PM pfred1: food!
05:40 PM lcvette__: ill give it a try tomorrow
05:41 PM Lcvette: wife gets mad if I don't eat while she does
05:41 PM pcw_mesa: CaptHindsight: its in any FPGA card zip file (as is the register map)
05:42 PM CaptHindsight: looking at both :)
05:42 PM pfred1: happy wife is happy life
05:42 PM pcw_mesa: its at the end of the regmap file
05:43 PM CaptHindsight: pfred1: nothing last forever :p
05:44 PM * phiplii crosses his fingers and waits for the cockerel to appear...
06:07 PM CaptHindsight: .beer
06:07 PM CaptHindsight: nope
06:11 PM aircooled is now known as hazzy-lab
06:11 PM phiplii: ./weather
06:11 PM hazzy-lab: logs
06:11 PM logs: hazzy-lab: today's log: http://irc-logs.kcjengr.com/%23linuxcnc/2018/06/26.html
06:11 PM phiplii: .weather
06:11 PM theCockerel: I don't know where you live. Give me a location, like .weather London, or tell me where you live by saying .setlocation London, for example.
06:11 PM phiplii: sigh
06:11 PM phiplii: .weather derby uk
06:12 PM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Derby, England, GB: Clear, 16°C (60°F), Humidity: 59%, Gentle breeze 4.9m/s (←)
06:12 PM * phiplii heads to bed
06:14 PM pfred1: the weather was nice here today
06:20 PM roycroft: oh geeze
06:20 PM roycroft: another bot that does weather reports
06:21 PM pfred1: whether you like it, or not
06:21 PM roycroft: i don't like that people impose spammy bots on channels
06:21 PM roycroft: i can /ignore the bot
06:22 PM pfred1: .weather Georgetown DE
06:22 PM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Georgetown, DE, US: Partly Cloudy, 25°C (77°F), Humidity: 45%, Moderate breeze 6.3m/s (↖)
06:22 PM roycroft: but it's hard to ignore the comands that people feed it on public channel without /ingoring the people, which i don't want to do
06:23 PM * pfred1 flexs the nice weather he's having
06:43 PM hazzy-lab: Is there another weather bot? lol
06:44 PM hazzy-lab: or is pfred1 the other bot? xD
09:27 PM Roguish: .weather walnut creek
09:27 PM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Walnut Creek, CA, US: Sunny, 25°C (77°F), Humidity: 36%, Fresh breeze 8.0m/s (↗)
09:49 PM tjb1: .weather 14903
09:49 PM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Big Flats, NY, US: Cloudy, 16°C (60°F), Humidity: 74%, Gentle breeze 4.9m/s (↑)
10:04 PM pcw_home: .weather mars
10:04 PM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Mars, NW, DE: Partly Cloudy, 10°C (50°F), Humidity: 96%, Light breeze 3.1m/s (←)