Jun 25 2018
12:26 AM Lcvette: Any one on that had a solid great on stepspace and steplength
12:29 AM Lcvette: Solid grasp
12:55 AM miss0r|office2: mornin'
01:13 AM fragalot: morning
01:47 AM IchGucksLive: morning
01:28 PM gloops: its the standard input pin in chinese BOBs for e-stop
01:28 PM gloops: thats just a simple circuit
01:28 PM diverdude: gloops: ok...i actually already have ESTOP in on pin10, and i have ESTOP out on pin 1 and ESTOP out inverted on pin 14....But thats not working
01:30 PM aircooled is now known as hazzy-lab
01:30 PM diverdude: gloops: maybe i am doing something else wrong?
01:30 PM gloops: im only seeing 2 white wires to a switch, if it is just a simply switch, one is ground the other is + to pin 10
01:30 PM gloops: simple switch
01:30 PM gloops: i could be totally wrong
01:30 PM diverdude: gloops: hmm ok now i can actually toggle that button in axis "toggle machine power"....i didnt even change anything....so weird
01:31 PM gloops: see normally, pin 1 is for the pwm, and pin 14 i think is for a relay
01:31 PM diverdude: but then i click button "Home axis" and then i click "begin executing current file" but i get an error saying "Can't run a program when not homed"
01:32 PM gloops: have you homed all the axis?
01:32 PM diverdude: gloops: don't i do that by clicking the butting "Home axis"?
01:33 PM diverdude: ahhh i have to do it for each axis - right ok
01:33 PM diverdude: now i am getting a different error "Linear move on line 11 would exceed join 2's positive limit"
01:33 PM hazzy-lab: About 30min ago a little tornado went thru the front yard scare the heck out of me. It was strong enough to pick up a few largish terracotta pots and drop them down a few feet away. Lots of big branches down, but no trees, and only very minor damage to the house, aside from water everywhere from the door blowing in ..
01:33 PM gloops: yes i thought that would be next
04:11 PM CaptHindsight: those tests are all rigged
04:11 PM roycroft: i started out at 78, but i've managed to beat my score every time i've taken the test since
04:11 PM rmu: hekto means hundred, yes? so thats not that much beer
04:11 PM Tom_itx: maybe it decided to work now
04:11 PM rmu: for 35 years
04:11 PM roycroft: i'm trying to make it to an iq of ONE MILLION
04:12 PM roycroft: if i do i'll post my test on youtube
04:12 PM gregcnc: 100/10 will watch
04:13 PM * gloops switches the jars marked 'genius brain' and 'deliquent brain'
04:13 PM roycroft: i'll get the british psychological association to sponsor me
04:14 PM roycroft: they can send me shiny new answers
04:14 PM roycroft: and after i set my record score i'll give them a positive review on their answers
04:14 PM gloops: whos stupid enough to pay mensa £400 for a certificate though
04:15 PM gloops: geniuses are 10 a penny
04:15 PM Tom_itx: if you're that intelligent you could figure a way not to
04:15 PM gloops: plenty sweeping streets, or writing books that dont sell
04:16 PM CaptHindsight: ever take those online "IQ" tests?
04:16 PM roycroft: i have a fancy printer
04:16 PM roycroft: i can make my own certificate
04:17 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: i dont meant a "yellow press" IQ test. but one that was made and supervised by an actual psychologist (ordered from school because i had "issues" with being the class clown)
04:17 PM CaptHindsight: even better those "emotional intelligence "tests
04:17 PM Tom_itx: having it is more an ego boost and knowing you printed it yourself is kinda counterproductive
04:17 PM gregcnc: those resuklts went directly to russia
04:17 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: well Germany :)
04:18 PM Tom_itx: seems the bot is healed
04:19 PM CaptHindsight: you can't argue with public schools, it's like arguing over religions
04:19 PM gloops: a taxi driver won Mastermind
04:19 PM gloops: all those eminent scholars that entered
04:19 PM rmu: you _can_ argue about religions ;)
04:20 PM CaptHindsight: can't
04:20 PM rmu: *duck*
04:20 PM rmu: (but i won't)
04:20 PM Tom_itx: what about religious politicians?
04:20 PM CaptHindsight: which ones are better?
04:21 PM CaptHindsight: radical Muslim vs radical Christian
04:22 PM rmu: those things should be kept separate
04:22 PM CaptHindsight: better for what?
04:23 PM rmu: i maintain that you can't define a proper order relation on religions
04:23 PM gloops: tony benn said 'faith is something you die for, doctrine is something you kill for'
04:23 PM roycroft: i don't care if politicians are religous, as long as they keep their religion out of their policymaking
04:24 PM rmu: the problem is people that believe (whatever) without any doubt
04:26 PM gloops: agnosticism?
04:26 PM roycroft: agnosticism is the only true not religion
04:27 PM CaptHindsight: antagonisticism
04:28 PM rmu: agnosticism is somehow the weasel way out
04:28 PM CaptHindsight: apatheticism, I don't care about religion
04:28 PM Loetmichel: whats what?
04:28 PM roycroft: atheism is just another religion, and atheists are often asobnoxious about their proselytizing as the super fundies like jehova's witnesses
04:29 PM gloops: yes but its no different, because the agnostic insists his is the only tenable view
04:29 PM Loetmichel: one doesent care about religion, one denies any religion to be real?
04:29 PM roycroft: not necessarily, gloops
04:29 PM Loetmichel: one is agnostic and the other?
04:29 PM roycroft: take me, for example
04:29 PM roycroft: i'm agnostic
04:29 PM gloops: atheist Loetmichel
04:29 PM lcvette: pcw_mesa:could I have my stepspace and steplength set so that the drive isn't happy and that is causing an issue?
04:29 PM Loetmichel: ah yes
04:29 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatheism
04:29 PM roycroft: in large part because i can't be bothered to think about deities
04:29 PM Loetmichel: and which is which?
04:29 PM roycroft: if you're religious, more power to you
04:29 PM roycroft: i won't think any less of you
04:30 PM gloops: atheist - believes there is no god/s
04:30 PM lcvette: from what i found in the manual and online it appears i set it ~close to what i thought looked right
04:30 PM roycroft: unless and until you try to shove your religion down my throat
04:30 PM gloops: agnostic - fairly open minded either way
04:30 PM Loetmichel: ah, i see. thanks
04:30 PM gloops: theist - believes in god/s
04:30 PM roycroft: it's impossible to prove that there is no god
04:30 PM roycroft: therefore, atheism is faith-based, and not fact-based
04:30 PM CaptHindsight: prognostic - not open minded
04:30 PM roycroft: which makes it no different from a religion
04:31 PM Loetmichel: Personally i think there may be some godlike entity somehwere that interfered with earth... but it took other interests over the eons.
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: you also have to define GOD
04:31 PM roycroft: that would be most in line with deism, loetmichel
04:31 PM roycroft: most of the founding fathers of this nation were deists, btw
04:31 PM roycroft: not christians
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: some people worship idols, the sun, golden calfs etc
04:32 PM rmu: what is "this nation"
04:32 PM CaptHindsight: calfs./calves
04:32 PM roycroft: the united states of america
04:32 PM Loetmichel: rmu: practically the only ones that talk about their nation that way are the US americans
04:33 PM CaptHindsight: though I do know some leg worshipers
04:33 PM rmu: the founding fathers of this nation were old men that were also the founding fathers of the republic that came before
04:33 PM roycroft: when i'm in a new venue i usually identify what country i'm from when i discuss my country
04:33 PM roycroft: i've been on #linuxcnc for long enough that i did not think it necessary
04:33 PM CaptHindsight: when traveling abroad I am from Canada
04:33 PM roycroft: it's not an "american" thing with me
04:34 PM rmu: sarcasm doesn't transmit that well over IRC it seems
04:34 PM gloops: william bradford lived about 6 miles from me :)
04:35 PM gloops: well, from where i live, i wasnt actually around when he was
04:35 PM Loetmichel: gloops: that would make you what? 300 years old? if you were around...
04:36 PM gloops: Loetmichel the place hasnt changed that much in that time
04:36 PM rmu: perhaps gloops has a little blue police box in his back yard...
04:36 PM rmu: ...that's bigger on the inside?
04:36 PM lcvette: https://imgur.com/40ATddn
04:36 PM lcvette: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b3JCYbpCSd/
04:36 PM lcvette: anyone know if this looks correct?
04:37 PM lcvette: for whats in the manual
04:37 PM gloops: austerfield - pretty boring place, few red brick cottages, little river
04:37 PM * Loetmichel was raised in a city that was mentioned in the books 850 years ago... and still had most of its "city rights event" buildings still alive and well...
04:37 PM roycroft: ethan allan, james monroe, thomas jefferson, samual adams, george washington, thomas paine, john jay, benjamin franklen, for example, were all deists, although many of those were nominal christians
04:37 PM roycroft: it was not acceptable in 18th century america to be a civic leader and not a christian
04:38 PM CaptHindsight: at first sight I read that as Dentists
04:38 PM roycroft: so it was convenient for many who were not really christians to belong to a church anyway, for sake of appearance
04:38 PM roycroft: which is really not any different than things are today
04:38 PM roycroft: although it's less necessary to be a christian and be considered respectable
04:38 PM gloops: whatever incited these men to great things i cant imagine
04:38 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: they just disliked the Brits
04:39 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: point is: for me religion doesent matter... for all i care there is nothing after death... because even IF there was a deity somewhen down the history line it is obviously no longer interested in us...
04:39 PM CaptHindsight: it was racism
04:39 PM roycroft: king george iii?
04:39 PM gloops: all they ever saw was one little road, a few horses, fields, NOTHING at all in those places to excite anyone
04:39 PM Loetmichel: and the IF is a very big one
04:40 PM roycroft: that is almost the definition of deism, loetmichel - deists believe that there is a god who created the earth and the universe and stuff, but then got bored with it all and went off to do his/her own thing, leaving us to fend for ourselves
04:40 PM CaptHindsight: racists that believed in the Jesus zombie
04:40 PM gloops: Hungary has passed an interesting law today
04:40 PM roycroft: god made us
04:40 PM roycroft: god got bored
04:40 PM gloops: Tonight : #hungary is introducing a new law to make it a criminal offence punishable by jail to help migrants and asylum seekers . On #newsnight I ask their Foreign Minister why .
04:40 PM roycroft: god moved on to other things
04:41 PM CaptHindsight: well he's a busy guy
04:41 PM roycroft: that would be a violation of eu law, gloops
04:41 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: difference is: i dont actually belive there was one.. i just admit there is the faint possibility
04:41 PM roycroft: hungary will get smacked down by brussels
04:41 PM CaptHindsight: it's all easier to understand when you realize that you just don't matter
04:41 PM roycroft: loetmichel: i don't know and i don't care :)
04:41 PM roycroft: i suppose in a sense one can argue that there must have been a god
04:42 PM roycroft: *something* is responsible for the existence of the universe
04:42 PM gloops: we dont know that
04:42 PM roycroft: and if you call that *something* "god", then there must have been a god at some point
04:42 PM gloops: we're thinking in human terms
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: a god vs the god
04:42 PM roycroft: if the universe is responsible for its own existence, then mayhap the universe is god
04:42 PM gloops: not omniscientific terms
04:42 PM gloops: there may well not need to be a cause for anything
04:42 PM rmu: gloops: that all is stupid populism in hungary, completely disconnected from reality there. hungary doesn't have an immigration problem and never will in the next 50 years if they continue like this economically
04:43 PM gloops: rmu trouble is brewing
04:43 PM rmu: yes, big trouble
04:43 PM CaptHindsight: Hungary should focus on becoming the world leader of something
04:43 PM Loetmichel: rmu: indeed.
04:43 PM gloops: they grow hot peppers
04:44 PM rmu: hungary, poland, italy, even austria, and brexit also doesn't help
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: and not funny hats or dysentery
04:44 PM Loetmichel: i was there a few times... no wonder that the immigrants want to come to germany ;)
04:44 PM roycroft: hungary has always been really good at being mad about stuff
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: it's like looking for a better room on the Titanic
04:44 PM gloops: i knew an old hungarian, he was a very good worker, the only other thing he did was drink
04:45 PM CaptHindsight: at least that is something
04:45 PM Loetmichel: gloops: fits the hungarians i know personally ;)
04:45 PM rmu: i also know a few hungarians, but except their strange language with really strange structure, they are quite normal people ;)
04:46 PM gloops: there is a kind of machoism with it
04:46 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, it like they have a different word for everything
04:48 PM Rab: Hungary is a historical seat of thought, learning, and scientific inquiry, and I've found it a nice place to visit. The country's recent slide into parochalism (and some say fascism) is a real letdown.
04:49 PM Rab: My sister loved the culture and lived there for several years, but she says she doesn't think she'll go back.
04:49 PM Loetmichel: Rab: its really nice in the tourist spots but once you go into the "back streets" you think you are suddenly in a piss poor country.
04:50 PM Loetmichel: thats what i meant with "no wonder the refugees want to go to germany and not there"
04:51 PM CaptHindsight: Einstein married a Hungarian
04:51 PM Rab: Loetmichel, I understand, and I guess that's what's driving the political shift.
04:52 PM gloops: well, im watching that newsnight programme now - some of the language being used would be pretty shocking to liberals lol
04:52 PM gloops: language being used by eastern european commentators regarding immigration
04:53 PM CaptHindsight: what are the costs of the Hungarian wives vs other Eastern European nations?
04:53 PM rmu: lcvette: if you really are unsure, just add a 0 to the times (i.e. multiply by 10) and look if it makes a difference
04:53 PM CaptHindsight: wives/brides
04:54 PM Loetmichel: i may be pretty alone in my country with that opinion but i think there is no problem taking in another million or two refugees into germany... we are have a pretty well working economy... there will be enough to feed a couple million more people
04:54 PM gloops: ive not known that with hungarians Capt
04:55 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: funny, over here it's like the end of the world
04:55 PM rmu: Loetmichel: you could, but there a cultural problems
04:55 PM CaptHindsight: maybe unless they are white refugees
04:56 PM CaptHindsight: from Finland :)
04:56 PM Loetmichel: rmu: nothing that cant be mitigated... the radical muslims and otherwise radicals are only a very few
04:56 PM Loetmichel: most of the refugees are willing to adlust to german culture.
04:57 PM Rab: roycroft, a masterful irony, to characterize atheists as obnoxious and then trot out a thoroughly obnoxious definition of atheism.
04:57 PM roycroft: thanks, rab!
04:57 PM Rab: "Life without reference to the supernatural" always worked for me.
04:57 PM roycroft: i don't characterise all atheists as obnoxious though
04:58 PM Loetmichel: we DO have some "problematic corners" in every big city where the people live in a self choosen "ghetto" with only their fellow brothers in religion and culture but they are a very minority
04:58 PM roycroft: nor members of most religions/cults
04:58 PM roycroft: i'm very much a live and let live person
04:58 PM gloops: the problem isnt whether immigrants are good or bad - the problem is that the vast majority of voters want drastic immigration controls - and the politicians are ignoring them
04:58 PM roycroft: believe what you want
04:58 PM roycroft: perform whatever rituals you want
04:58 PM roycroft: as long as you don't try to force me to be involved
04:58 PM rmu: Loetmichel: yes, it could be mitigated, but there will always be those that say "this is MY money and I want it for ME..."
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: don't you want to be saved?!
04:59 PM Loetmichel: rmu: yes. sadly thats the core of it
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: you want to be saved don't you!
04:59 PM roycroft: the problem is that a very small number of very vocal voters want drastic immigration controls, in the usa at least
04:59 PM Loetmichel: some germans seem to think that they have to feed half a dozen immigrants personally.
04:59 PM roycroft: polling consistently shows that 62-70% of people in this country think immigration is good and necessary
05:00 PM gloops: not here roycroft, a poll this week put it at 70% + for drastic cuts in immigration - and yet records are still being broken every year
05:00 PM gloops: ignore the people at your peril
05:00 PM roycroft: and on that note, it's time to go home
05:00 PM roycroft: immigration is way down here
05:00 PM Loetmichel: that those guys and gals mostly do the jobs the germans are to hoity-toity to do themselves as soon as they get the permit to work here is often overlooked or blatantly ignored
05:01 PM roycroft: for a number of years, more mexicans have been going home to mexico on their own than mexicans newly arriving here
05:01 PM roycroft: anyway, it really is time to go home
05:01 PM roycroft: so enjoy!
05:01 PM CaptHindsight: soon they will be closing the borders to people leaving the US
05:01 PM rmu: hehe... "Donald, don't forget to turn the lights off when you leave" ??
05:02 PM rmu: oh no, that was "Erich"
05:02 PM Loetmichel: rmu: indeed it was
05:03 PM Loetmichel: and the funny thin is: we needed about 30 years to integrate 16++ million people into the BRD...
05:04 PM Loetmichel: and STILL have one of the stronges economies per capita in the world ;)
05:04 PM gloops: there wasnt much difference there though Loetmichel
05:05 PM Loetmichel: gloops: it was basically a failed economy
05:05 PM Loetmichel: not that much CULTURAL difference indeed... (but some)
05:05 PM gloops: same language, customs, culture
05:05 PM rmu: GDR was insolvent at about 1980
05:06 PM Loetmichel: gloops: i meant the money. not the culture with INtegrating"
05:06 PM Loetmichel: still not QUITE there... but close
05:06 PM Loetmichel: and that in only 30 years for 16 million people...
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: Paprika, thats what they should focus not, not refugees
05:06 PM rmu: between 1980 and 1989 GDR was financed by west germany and moscow
05:07 PM Loetmichel: i have no doubt the few million refugees witll not be as hard as THAT.
05:07 PM CaptHindsight: cold war movies called it the DDR
05:08 PM gloops: its says DDR on all the old products
05:08 PM CaptHindsight: not to be confused with the video game
05:09 PM CaptHindsight: what did they wear on their jerseys to the Olympics? GDR or DDR?
05:09 PM Loetmichel: gloops: "Deutsche Demokratische Republik" (what they called themselves) vs. GDR = "German Democratic Republic" = what the rest of the world called them
05:09 PM Loetmichel: so DDR
05:09 PM Loetmichel: in the jerseys
05:09 PM rmu: i think GDR was the label on TV at olympics and similar events
05:10 PM Loetmichel: but the international commenters usually had them listed as GDR
05:10 PM gloops: https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/253033118976_/CARL-ZEISS-JENA-DDR-Red-MC-135mm-f-35.jpg
05:10 PM gloops: thats one of those radioactive lenses they sold
05:10 PM CaptHindsight: https://voxeurop.eu/files/images/article/athletic-ddr.jpg
05:10 PM Loetmichel: radioactive?
05:11 PM gloops: yeah forget what was in the lens coating they were mildly radioactive
05:11 PM Loetmichel: probably uranium
05:11 PM CaptHindsight: womens team http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__iUWLJiDfYg/SxmC35jd4yI/AAAAAAAAK7s/Vsq7cp9DU_Y/s400/1968+EAST+GERMANY+001.jpg
05:11 PM rmu: special type of glass containing uranium for "extreme" refraction
05:11 PM CaptHindsight: :)
05:11 PM Loetmichel: uranium glas is still used in jena ;)
05:12 PM gloops: Thorium
05:12 PM rmu: CaptHindsight: one could believe if they wore womens swimsuits
05:13 PM gloops: CaptHindsight thats with eating horses sausages for breakast
05:14 PM rmu: yes it is thorium
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: can you still find vintage DDR clothing there?
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: I collect vintage from no longer in existence countries or guberments
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: CCCP, DDR etc
05:16 PM rmu: there is a pinterest group
05:16 PM gloops: you can still buy it new
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: reproductions
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: it hasn't been that long and if I wear a CCCP shirt nobody under 50 knows what it stands for here
05:17 PM rmu: CaptHindsight: you should stock up on north korean stuff just in case
05:18 PM gloops: no doubt there will still be significant stocks, they overproduced everything that nobody needed
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: I had a hard time finding Maoist era items in China
05:18 PM rmu: it means someting like "union of socialist soviet republics" in russian, but who really knows the russian spelling
05:19 PM rmu: (in the west)
05:19 PM gloops: UK was awash with army shirts
05:20 PM rmu: i have some vintage DDR made N2 pressure vessels in the shop ;)
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: Союз Советских Социалистических Республик
05:21 PM CaptHindsight: Sojúz Sovétskix Socialistíčeskix Respúblik
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: American Science center used to have lots of soviet era surplus equipment
05:22 PM rmu: carbonylcyanid-m-chlorphenylhydrazon
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.sciplus.com/
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: now it's mostly US junk
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: speak of the devil https://www.sciplus.com/hungarian-army-helmets-60229-p
05:24 PM CaptHindsight: Austrian Navy caps :)
05:25 PM rmu: those would be really old
05:26 PM CaptHindsight: Austro-Hungarian
05:26 PM rmu: austro hungarian would be from 1867 to 1918 or so
05:27 PM rmu: also pretty old
05:37 PM gloops: im sure i ordred some cutters from china ages ago
05:38 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.euractiv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/10/21734716363-ac52b4b9c6-o.jpeg
05:39 PM CaptHindsight: best thing to do it forget about them and not need them..
05:39 PM CaptHindsight: they will show up later this week
05:39 PM CaptHindsight: it/is
05:51 PM rmu: CaptHindsight: this is no navy, that's more kind of "special forces" (Jagdkommando)
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: true story? https://i.imgur.com/waSUtd0.png
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/protesters-pledge-8000-to-fly-inflatable-trump-baby-over-parliament-during-us-presidents-uk-visit-a3871351.html the actual link
05:52 PM gloops: probably, the far left group Momentum is planning huge protests
05:52 PM CaptHindsight: even better than Mcboaty boatface