#linuxcnc Logs
Jun 24 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:07 AM Lcvette: pcw_home: for after sleepy time, i was researching the step space step length but it seemed to be defined around steppers.. Want quite sure how to approach it but then remembered seeing something in the drive manual with input output reference timing..
01:06 AM aircooled is now known as hazzy-lab
01:44 AM gloops: just having a look at downloading and installing BlenderCAM plugin, not much info and primitive webpages etc
01:45 AM gloops: shame - so many wanting open source CAM, especially for 3D - and there it is, largely unnoticed
01:48 AM MrHindsight: mebe itzah project yucan werkon?
01:49 AM gloops: nope, i dont do any coding
01:49 AM MrHindsight: ezer said than done
01:49 AM gloops: i can publicise it and encourage everyone to donate $10
01:50 AM MrHindsight: that doesn't seem to work
01:50 AM MrHindsight: too too many cheapskates
01:50 AM MrHindsight: they want it for free but won't spend a dime
01:50 AM gloops: theyre happily paying $400 for v-carve - which does nothing in comparison
01:51 AM MrHindsight: but, BUT when it's GPL, people don't want to be the one to pay
01:51 AM gloops: lol, that is true, psychological i guess
01:51 AM gloops: 'what? its free isnt it?'
01:52 AM MrHindsight: just to see how far this might go we had a giant military contractor (actually UK headquartered) ...
01:52 AM MrHindsight: as about building some RTAI packages for a Linux distro that had none
01:53 AM MrHindsight: we are still waiting for a measly few $k for them to budget
01:54 AM MrHindsight: they lose more change in sofa cushions than what the whole project was quoted
01:54 AM gloops: well, british troops are working without socks these days you know lol
01:54 AM MrHindsight: they just don't want to pay and then have to share
01:54 AM gloops: yes, cant have that
01:54 AM MrHindsight: sandal army?
01:55 AM gloops: its the cutz
01:55 AM gloops: well, blendercam for windows just installed in 2 clicks, up and running
01:56 AM gloops: but i bet 6 out 10 who look at it dont bother even downloading it
01:56 AM fragalot: mornin'
01:57 AM gloops: morning
01:57 AM MrHindsight: we had a project with Apple a few years ago, we almost worked on 4-5 axis cam for them
01:57 AM fragalot: I got whipped by my foredom yesterday, and boy is that an impressive welt now
01:58 AM MrHindsight: but they decided to use NX for CAM and run LCNC on the machines
01:58 AM gloops: omg...bottom of the commands scroll 'slice objects to plywood' - ive been messing about in sketchup for 2 weeks to do that
01:58 AM XXCoder: thats in blender?
01:58 AM fragalot: gloops: doubt it's going to be the cross-frame slicing you've done
01:59 AM fragalot: but more a layered slice
01:59 AM gloops: XXCoder yes ..not tried it using it but its there
01:59 AM XXCoder: I downlaoded program that does exactly that but lost it, and never could find it again :(
01:59 AM XXCoder: layers, crossing, different styles
01:59 AM MrHindsight: had a company in China that started out wanting to use LCNC and needed 4-5 axis CAM and a slicer
01:59 AM MrHindsight: they decided to write their own kludgy applications to keep it Chinese and closed
02:00 AM fragalot: probably didn't want to deal with the LCNC license
02:00 AM MrHindsight: and there are all the *duino crazies
02:00 AM gloops: 'pack curves on sheet' whats that?
02:01 AM MrHindsight: almost like LCNC has some curse
02:03 AM MrHindsight: fragalot: wanted other "options" and could not see very far down the road
02:03 AM MrHindsight: didn't matter if other copied the software, the hardware was always ahead
02:03 AM fragalot: gloops: click it & try :P
02:03 AM MrHindsight: other/others
02:03 AM gloops: optimises parts onto one piece of material
02:03 AM XXCoder: MrHindsight: I kind of hate 3d printing firmwares out there
02:03 AM MrHindsight: DFM and nesting
02:03 AM XXCoder: its shitty
02:03 AM XXCoder: skips lot of safety found in linuxnc
02:04 AM MrHindsight: what!? Uze don't like pronterface, printrun, etc
02:04 AM gloops: waterline strategy - this is pretty good, everything for diyer anyway id say
02:05 AM gloops: pencil strategy - might come in useful if i break my wrist
02:05 AM MrHindsight: https://ibin.co/2yEz1zoUZ5jZ.jpg axisface :P
02:06 AM fragalot: XXCoder: they skip software safety and implement hardware safety by using low grade materials that break before you would
02:07 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: well, the UI for jogging is pretty good :P
02:07 AM XXCoder: MrHindsight: linuxcnc?
02:07 AM XXCoder: looks like different version of pronterface
02:07 AM XXCoder: yep it is, it has bed and hotend
02:07 AM MrHindsight: oh and Marlin, those devs must be dyslexic
02:07 AM roycroft: hey - i live in tracktown, usa
02:07 AM roycroft: i know all about jogging
02:08 AM roycroft: all you need are some expensive shows with a "swish" logo on the sides
02:08 AM roycroft: shoes
02:09 AM roycroft: and that's "prefontaine", not "pronterface"
02:09 AM MrHindsight: lol
02:09 AM MrHindsight: run for there are llamas
02:09 AM roycroft: ¡las llamas son mas grande que las ranas!
02:09 AM fragalot: xDµ
02:10 AM gloops: add any bolt in the world in blendercam https://ibb.co/jogyjo
02:10 AM roycroft: hussain bolt?
02:10 AM roycroft: er, usain bolt
02:10 AM gloops: probably
02:11 AM MrHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBaUmx5s6iE llamas sketch
02:12 AM XXCoder: a lot about jogging http://www.lab-initio.com/250dpi/nz308.jpg
02:13 AM XXCoder: roycroft: honestly some of ui is samne
02:14 AM XXCoder: pronetrface https://www.plasticscribbler.com/images/getting-started-with-pronterface/pronterface-screen-after-connecting.jpg
02:15 AM fragalot: printrun has the same UI
02:15 AM XXCoder: printrun is pronterface
02:15 AM fragalot: and there was another one that I used to use before I made the printer fully stand-alone
02:15 AM fragalot: ah :D
02:17 AM MrHindsight: https://www.repetier.com/w/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Repetier-Host-Preview.png
02:17 AM MrHindsight: at least this made sense
02:18 AM MrHindsight: https://www.repetier.com/w/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/rhm-manual-control.png
02:19 AM MrHindsight: just needed some polishing
02:20 AM gloops: subsurface divisions
02:21 AM MrHindsight: https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/23/open-source-sustainability/
02:23 AM gloops: belndercam allows full editing of objects in the CAM pane, full mesh for the bolts, so i guess if you didnt like someone you could just pull one of those verticies on the thread a touch before machining the bolts for him
02:23 AM gloops: nice tight fit heh
02:24 AM MrHindsight: https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12269202&cid=56836500
02:25 AM MrHindsight: https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/06/23/2113222/how-should-open-source-development-be-subsidized
02:25 AM gloops: same as anything, you need to market it
02:26 AM gloops: the coders do the good work making the app, but nobody is promoting it
02:27 AM MrHindsight: it's promoted, some are very popular and have been for years
02:27 AM MrHindsight: most just don't feel obligated to donate (money or code)
02:27 AM MrHindsight: or pay to have source set free
02:28 AM gloops: put an emotionally charged button on the ui
02:28 AM fragalot: we either donate, or pay for open-source libraries we use in our projects
02:29 AM fragalot: well worth putting in a few hundres, or even a few thousand for the time we save
02:29 AM gloops: 'the man who made the great free app youre using has no shoes - donate $1 now
02:30 AM MrHindsight: upper management just doesn't have many people that feel obligations
02:30 AM MrHindsight: to anything other than profit
02:30 AM MrHindsight: gloops: they don't care
02:30 AM MrHindsight: they don't feel
02:31 AM MrHindsight: no shoes, so what, they could have no legs and they wouldn't give two shits
02:36 AM XXCoder: not even when company is profiting off holding children and feeding kids medicine to keep them calm
02:37 AM XXCoder: some companies really is bad
02:37 AM MrHindsight: that is pretty awful
02:38 AM XXCoder: yeah
02:40 AM gloops: we've all been brainwashed to value money wealth more than spiritual or moral wealth etc
02:52 AM gloops: THOUSANDS of elite ‘ROBOCOPS’ will protect Trump during UK visit amid 'TERROR ATTACK' fear https://bit.ly/2Mhuyd3
02:56 AM Deejay: moin
03:27 AM JK is now known as Guest95296
03:29 AM Guest95296: hello
03:30 AM Deejay: hi there
03:30 AM Guest95296: This is my first time using IRC
03:30 AM Deejay: :-)
03:32 AM Guest95296: I hoping someone here may be able to help with a linuxcnc issue
03:32 AM Deejay: are you from australia?
03:33 AM Guest95296: yes
03:34 AM Deejay: just ask your question or describe the problem and you might have luck and someone has an idea
03:34 AM XXCoder: hey jk this time usually is pretty quiet but yeah ask away
03:34 AM Deejay: yo, perhaps wrong time ;)
03:35 AM Deejay: hi xxcoder
03:35 AM Guest95296: MAGIG CNC Maschines had a youtube vid that covered the Probe_Screen addon but did not show how the button to simulate the probe works
03:35 AM XXCoder: hey
03:36 AM Guest95296: I have the probe_screen all working but get an error saying: Error: G38.2 move finished without making contact.
03:38 AM Deejay: magig cnc maschines sounds like IchGuckeLive ;)
03:38 AM XXCoder: dee it is
03:38 AM Deejay: from spelling ;)
03:38 AM Deejay: oh jesus ;)
03:39 AM XXCoder: Guest95296: one post says need to change plunge safty clearance
03:39 AM XXCoder: however link isnt working so no more details. looking
03:40 AM CaptHindsight: ich takes off on Sundays
03:40 AM CaptHindsight: Guest95296: ich's is hete just about every day this time except for Sundays
03:41 AM CaptHindsight: hete/here
03:41 AM XXCoder: well typo quota furfilled
03:41 AM Deejay: lol
03:43 AM gloops: Guest95296 is the circuit actually being closed?
03:43 AM Guest95296: Is there a preference in linuxcnc that will display the probe button? so that I can click it to simulate material being hit?
03:43 AM XXCoder: or open if its normally closed
03:44 AM Guest95296: I'm just testing gcode in simulation mode.
03:44 AM gloops: hmm, not sure how that works
03:46 AM Guest95296: ok. Is it possible to test G38.2 in simulation setup?
03:50 AM Guest95296: I might leave a comment on the youtube post. I might be getting confused on how it was setup.
03:52 AM XXCoder: you would need to be here when he comes in
03:53 AM gloops: i cant see how that would work in sim if no switch is present
03:53 AM gloops: unless it just works from the job co-ordinates
03:53 AM gloops: homing doesnt work in sim
03:54 AM IchGucksLive: hi all from a cloudy cold germany
03:54 AM Deejay: hi ich
03:54 AM XXCoder: oh hey ich
03:54 AM gloops: !
03:56 AM XXCoder: IchGucksLive: Guest95296 got question about g38.2
03:57 AM IchGucksLive: Guest16235, im Magig CNc Mashines
03:57 AM IchGucksLive: let me read the log
03:58 AM IchGucksLive: Guest16235, SIM only you need the push button FRAME
03:58 AM Deejay: its the other guest ;)
03:58 AM IchGucksLive: Guest16235, in a TERMINAL after Linuxcnc has started type simulate_probe &
03:59 AM IchGucksLive: Guest95296, im magig cnc
03:59 AM IchGucksLive: Deejay, thanks Danke
04:00 AM Guest95296: Ok I will try it now.
04:00 AM IchGucksLive: Guest95296, im in germany
04:00 AM IchGucksLive: if it helps
04:01 AM IchGucksLive: Guest95296, better you change your nickname to a more comen ont to trigger your private querry
04:01 AM Guest95296: OMG I can see the button
04:01 AM IchGucksLive: SMILE
04:02 AM IchGucksLive: Guest95296, its on RELEASE not Press
04:02 AM IchGucksLive: Guest95296, within the Given G91 move ofcause
04:04 AM IchGucksLive: Guest16235, if you are on a real mashine setup best to move to G30 Pos then you know the max length in mashine coordinate G53 to go down
04:05 AM Guest95296: I'm just testing out some gcode I've created and wanted to know if I could simulate the plasma torch touching the material
04:06 AM IchGucksLive: Guest95296, i do it by a secondary Z switch
04:06 AM IchGucksLive: so im off EMI from the torque
04:07 AM IchGucksLive: but a double relay can also do it
04:07 AM IchGucksLive: on touching switch signalicatin from Torch Ground ignite
04:07 AM Guest95296: I have a 5 axis BOB and limit switched and believe it will work but was hoping i can test the gcode in simulation mode
04:08 AM IchGucksLive: Guest95296, you cna also check on mashine realtime as HALSHOW pin
04:09 AM IchGucksLive: Guest95296, i got all 9 swiches limit/Ref on one BOB pin
04:09 AM IchGucksLive: Guest95296, http://schwedenfeuer.de/feuersauelen.htm
04:10 AM IchGucksLive: Guest95296, need to leve here im always here at 7pm Berlin/Europ time
04:10 AM IchGucksLive: Bye
04:11 AM Guest95296: Thanks for the help guys will play around with this a little more now. Much appreciated
04:13 AM holzjunkie: moin
04:44 AM gloops: £20 for the old Brit https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Antique-Old-Large-Britannia-Metalworking-Lathe/113084275083?
04:45 AM gloops: got be 3 foot bed, interestingly the ways on those seperate to give bigger swing for a faceplate
06:18 AM jthornton: morning
06:18 AM Deejay: hey
07:27 AM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
07:53 AM Tom_L: morning
07:54 AM XXCoder: morning
07:55 AM JT-Shop: morning
07:58 AM Tom_L: ok, i can see this going all kinds of wrong: A new Kansas law goes into effect next month that legally protects Good Samaritans who break into vehicles to save overheating pets and people
07:59 AM Tom_L: honest officer... there was a cat but it ran away
07:59 AM gloops: lol
08:12 AM gloops: 3.0 england
08:15 AM gloops: 4.0 england
08:21 AM gloops: 5.0 england woohoo!
08:21 AM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens/misc/fawn-01.jpg
08:44 AM SpeedEvil: Tom_L: does it also legally protect people who shoot people breaking into their car?
08:56 AM gloops: 6.0 england, hat-trick for Harry Kane
09:30 AM gloops: full time in this important group stage cup tie, and the score is England 6 Panama 1
09:37 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, was that from your video camera?
09:46 AM holzjunkie: hy @ all i´ve an problem with my mesa card 7i80
09:46 AM crowley: good mornnng
09:46 AM crowley: any chance the forum will start sending out registration messages again?
09:47 AM holzjunkie: when I put it in the network socket the internet connection is on the other network card won´t work anymore
09:50 AM gloops: my last old black leghorn cockerel succumbed to the heat last night, so i released the two polish cocks from the shed (leghorn would have killed them) for the tme being anyway they rule the roost
10:06 AM Tom_L: holzjunkie, i've got one here running just fine with internet connection
10:07 AM holzjunkie: Tom_L: yeah now my 7i80 is working fine to i´ve just to make the ipv4 choice link lacal
10:08 AM holzjunkie: Tom_L: but for interesset could you send my an copy of your hal and ini for modifing
10:08 AM Tom_L: gimme a bit
10:35 AM Rab: ziper, did you win that CNC auction?
10:36 AM ziper: no
10:36 AM ziper: more than i could afford, pal
10:36 AM Rab: It went for $210!
10:37 AM Rab: Very well. That was a steal, though. I would've paid that, if I were anywhere near the area.
10:39 AM gloops: 210 what was the item?
10:39 AM ziper: https://bidera.hibid.com/lot/41270354/isel--techno-dsg/?cpage=2&ipp=100
10:39 AM ziper: it was so small it wouldnt really do what I wanted so I was unwilling to pay more than 100
10:40 AM ziper: would rather put the money toward a bigger machine, even if it was less rigid or whatever
10:41 AM gloops: hmm, i suppose it was worth 210 - if you wanted it
10:41 AM gloops: nothing in that condition or age is ever a steal over $100 though
10:43 AM Tom_L: gloops, what spindle / vfd is on your router?
10:44 AM gloops: Tom_L its just a typical 'Hy' vfd with 800w spindle
10:44 AM Tom_L: as much as i hate to, that may be the easiest way to go
10:45 AM Tom_L: still looking though
10:49 AM gloops: well, i cant really say how the high speed spindles perform at low revs, never tried it
10:49 AM Tom_L: definitely wouldn't be able to do rigid tapping with it
10:49 AM Tom_L: which is one thing i'd expect with an upgrade
10:50 AM gloops: it definitely runs very slow - i always warm it up before cutting, it starts revolving at very low rpm - whether it cuts at that speed i dunno
10:51 AM Tom_L: is yours air or water cooled?
10:51 AM gloops: air cooled
10:51 AM Lcvette: My guess is they don't make much torque
10:51 AM Tom_L: pretty sure of it
10:51 AM Lcvette: Down at low speed
10:51 AM Tom_L: you don't get both
10:52 AM gloops: lowest i use is 12000 rpm for wood, i did run it at 7000 rpm to test some ally cuts, no problems, doesnt ever get hot
10:52 AM Tom_L: doubt you'd wanna tap at those speeds :D
10:54 AM Lcvette: Don't you'll find a single encoder that can keep up at those speeds
10:54 AM Lcvette: Doubt/spindle
10:54 AM gloops: well, same vfd with a low rpm milling spindle from china - probably be fine, i dont know about the runout it isnt an issue for wood carving is all i know
10:56 AM gloops: probably looking at 2.2kw + spindle though for metal
11:10 AM Lcvette: Tom_L: what is your total list of must haves in the spindle as of right now?
11:15 AM Lcvette: Rigid tapping is great but i have gotten by with thread milling for years
11:15 AM Lcvette: In msny ways it has its advantages over rigid tspping
11:16 AM Lcvette: If you want RT for cool factor i get that
11:17 AM Lcvette: But it's not the end of the world to not have it
11:42 AM fragalot: miss0r: and like that, humpty dumpty is closer to being together again.
11:43 AM fragalot: (and fyi, scraped ways feel sooooooooooooooooooooooo smooth.. until you want to lift them apart to get something in.. they refuse to let go because of the oil vacuum :P)
11:49 AM gloops: fragalot prepare to meet your obliteration on the football field
11:49 AM fragalot: don't care
11:50 AM fragalot: :)
11:50 AM gloops: haha you know you do
11:51 AM fragalot: not really, I think football players are the most overrated human beings on the planet with a sickening marketing machine around them
11:52 AM fragalot: sure, they are athletes, and it is impressive what they do, but the money involved is insane.
11:52 AM gloops: youre probably right, but sometimes males have to be shallow and let the neanderthal come out
11:56 AM gloops: hence England will crush Belgium like insects!
11:56 AM fragalot: :p
11:58 AM miss0r|office2: My head hurts!
11:58 AM gloops: actually neanderthals were in all likelihood a lot nicer than homo sapiens sapiens
11:59 AM miss0r|office2: gloops: we talked about how a good reset once in a while is a good thing. Well, I just had another one, just 14 days after the last one. I'm glad I don't have another one on the schedule yet.
11:59 AM miss0r|office2: I'm getting too old for this tuff
11:59 AM fragalot: :s
12:00 PM miss0r|office2: I hallova birthday party last night. I haven't played beer pong for ages!
12:00 PM miss0r|office2: with good reason
12:00 PM gloops: pressure getting to you miss0r, lol, wait while youve been self employed for 30 years
12:01 PM fragalot: I don't think being too old for beer pong has anything to do with being self employed or not, gloops
12:01 PM miss0r|office2: absolutly not :]
12:02 PM miss0r|office2: hehe, pressure had nothing to do with this. It was a birthday party with the old boys. I had the feeling what would happen. :D
12:02 PM gloops: right...lol
12:06 PM miss0r|office2: fragalot: How did you scraping turn out?
12:06 PM fragalot: first impression feels great, but i don't have gibs yet so who knows
12:07 PM fragalot: the better the job, the more it sucks to get off of the granite table, or to take the machine apart again though i've found
12:07 PM fragalot: the things just suck down onto the surface
12:07 PM miss0r|office2: well, thats a good thing :D
12:08 PM fragalot: :)à
12:08 PM fragalot: :-)
12:08 PM miss0r|office2: Do you have the pictures to show for it? or did none of this actualy happen ? :P
12:08 PM fragalot: nope :-)
12:09 PM miss0r|office2: Well, its good to have a lively imagination. good for you :D
12:09 PM fragalot: hehe yeah
12:09 PM fragalot: I did get whipped by my foredom though
12:09 PM miss0r|office2: how so?
12:09 PM fragalot: was replacing one of the tools, dropped it, and when picking it up & bumped into the "on" switch and must have leaned on the pedal because it activated with the little immobilizer + wrench on a keychain in it
12:10 PM fragalot: somehow the immobilizer part launched out (it's a cross-pin), spun everything up at 18000 rpm & slapped the little chain on my shoulder hard enough that it's drawn blood through 3 layers of clothing
12:10 PM miss0r|office2: :o
12:11 PM fragalot: i'm sitll finding little balls from that chain, but both the immobilizer pin & wrench are nowhere to be found
12:11 PM fragalot: and i've got 2 neat rows of around 20 ball-shaped imprints on my right shoulder :D
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: hi all
12:11 PM miss0r|office2: you probally have to dig them out of a wall or something :D
12:11 PM fragalot: maybe, lol
12:11 PM miss0r|office2: damn. That sounds like a pretty shitty list of events
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, 6:1
12:12 PM miss0r|office2: One of those that are just unlikely enough to be true
12:12 PM miss0r|office2: hehe
12:12 PM fragalot: well i've looked all over the floor & can't find it there, so... :D
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: miss0r|office2, you need to spend more time wit your pregnad wife
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: then with your EDM
12:14 PM miss0r|office2: IchGucksLive: Sadly, I already am :P
12:14 PM IchGucksLive: fragalot, that hapoens only if the dirt overwarms you
12:14 PM fragalot: ?
12:14 PM IchGucksLive: loosing somthing on floor
12:14 PM fragalot: i swept the floro and still didn't find it
12:14 PM fragalot: my shop is spotless, tyvm :P
12:15 PM gloops: IchGucksLive England is relentless!!
12:15 PM fragalot: i fully expect to find the wrench either in the lathe's chip pan, or lodged in the spool cover of my welder, or something similarly stupid
12:15 PM gloops: it is relentless!
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, mabe it will find its master later
12:15 PM Lcvette: Hi ichs
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: ;-)
12:16 PM fragalot: yeah, tomorrow
12:16 PM fragalot: :D
12:17 PM gloops: i cant see it Ichs, this young squad of Lions has the confidence to go all the way
12:17 PM fragalot: or when is belgium playing the UK?
12:17 PM gloops: and dominate football for 20 years
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: oh wat happend over night 2.7.14 out
12:17 PM holzjunkie: IchGucksLive: hy
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: whatss new folks
12:18 PM gloops: Thursday fragalot
12:18 PM fragalot: right. I'll have forgotten by then
12:18 PM gloops: Harry Kane has scored 5 in 2 games
12:21 PM gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqimlFcJsM
12:28 PM holzjunkie1 is now known as holzjunkie
12:29 PM gloops: this is the best football goal ever,forget maradonna, pele, beckenbauer, England has always produced the best players, George Best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2HWUbFGHMU
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: hi Author1
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
01:14 PM gloops: pretty tender subject, soccer, for Germany atm
01:15 PM Tom_L: not watching it... are they doing bad?
01:15 PM gloops: deep internal political problems, wider european disaster building, these sports events do matter
01:16 PM gloops: Tom_L Germany is not doing great in the football, or at all atm
01:16 PM fragalot: difficult being a politician these days with how the media has full control over how the public perceives anything
01:17 PM fragalot: or a public figure in general, really
01:17 PM gloops: merkel could be gone any day
01:17 PM Tom_L: that's pretty much always the case
01:17 PM Tom_L: you hear what they want you to hear
01:19 PM gloops: at least here, for a brief moment at least, the people saw through the corporate media brainwashing
01:20 PM gloops: and the establishment has tried, at every twist and turn to rob us of our democratic victory
01:20 PM fragalot: you mean that bus that people saw through?
01:21 PM gloops: brexit fragalot, BREXIT!
01:21 PM gloops: it can still happen
01:21 PM fragalot: it will happen
01:21 PM fragalot: there is no scenario possible for it to not happen
01:21 PM fragalot: the only question is what it will mean
01:22 PM gloops: we have taken a leap of faith
01:22 PM gloops: if it does happen it is the end, im afraid, for your kind, fragalot
01:23 PM fragalot: my kind?
01:23 PM Tom_L: exactly what 'kind' are you ??
01:23 PM gloops: yes, you are a european are you not, a europhile
01:23 PM fragalot: I wouldn't say europhile
01:24 PM fragalot: but i am physically located in europe
01:24 PM gloops: im British, English to be precise
01:24 PM fragalot: my wife's british, so I swing both ways :P
01:26 PM gloops: its strange, difficult to know how other european nations perceive 'us' but there is no animosity towards belgium here, or most other european nations, only Germany and France
01:27 PM fragalot: personally i believe the whole nation thing is no more than a nuisance making things more difficult than they should be
01:29 PM gloops: you are young fragalot, and intelligent, and also naive, it will be a long time before the patriot games are over
01:29 PM fragalot: miss0r|office2: I made a mistake on the RF45... size 0 meters on the oiler :P the oil BARELY moves... Any suggestions on what size would be right for 6 4mm lines?
01:30 PM fragalot: wouldn't say i'm naive; I just like facts more than propaganda
01:30 PM fragalot: and understand that there is no such thing as black & white, everything is affected by the smallest things
01:30 PM fragalot: people management is not easy :P
01:31 PM Tecan: when looking for bits whats a better color for tungston carbide bright gold or dark gold ?
01:31 PM Tecan: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/332655010034 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/142041367580
01:33 PM fragalot: neither of the ones linked are coated, doubt there's a difference
01:36 PM Tecan: found a better price anyway
01:36 PM Tecan: coated with what ?
01:37 PM fragalot: typically the gold color is TiN
01:37 PM Tecan: stronger ?
01:38 PM fragalot: extremely hard wearing
01:38 PM sync: the gold you see in the second link is where they brazed the carbide slugs on the shank
01:38 PM fragalot: sync: I thought that too but the oval shaped one only had it on the teeth
01:39 PM MrHindsight: fools gold
01:40 PM sync: fragalot: they had to relieve that one at the bottom
01:40 PM sync: so they probably ground off most of the excess braze
01:40 PM fragalot: possible
01:41 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: have you got any advice regarding central oiler metering sizes?
01:41 PM MrHindsight: anyone else noticing that the main country "winning" is Russia
01:42 PM MrHindsight: fragalot: off the top of my head I'd say the size that works is most likely best for the application
01:43 PM fragalot: great, i've got 6x size 0 right now and whilst it does 'work', it seems to be more suited towards me continuously pulling the handle & letting it go :P
01:43 PM MrHindsight: I have a bunch of oilers and parts in boxes but I no longer keep track of what the sizes are
01:43 PM sync: get an automagic oiler
01:43 PM sync: then you don't have to pull any handle
01:43 PM fragalot: part of me was wondering if the meters are even necessary at all, or if they are just an orifice, or if they are more intelligent like the flow regulators that maric makes
01:44 PM MrHindsight: the ones I've taken apart are just orifices
01:45 PM fragalot: alright
01:45 PM sync: they don't work tho
01:45 PM sync: you need the cylinder metering devices
01:45 PM MrHindsight: what don't work?
01:45 PM fragalot: of course they don't if they're just orifices
01:46 PM sync: yes, but that is non obvious to a lot of people
01:46 PM fragalot: good enough for open-end or drip applications, but garbage for ways :P
01:46 PM MrHindsight: no oil gits on the rails?
01:47 PM sync: it took me a while to realize how the cylinder ones work, pretty clever :)
01:48 PM MrHindsight: magic?
01:48 PM fragalot: even worse
01:48 PM fragalot: hydraulics
01:49 PM MrHindsight: oil pressure regulator?
01:49 PM sync: no
01:49 PM fragalot: we make our own small pneumatic metering pumps
01:49 PM sync: they are just two check valves
01:49 PM sync: with a moving cylinder inbetween
01:49 PM sync: and a spring
01:49 PM MrHindsight: so the oil only goes out vs back in?
01:49 PM sync: rather three check valves
01:49 PM sync: well, yes
01:49 PM sync: but the problem is how to get the oil in the way?
01:50 PM fragalot: hydraulics. :P
01:50 PM MrHindsight: I usually see them using a series of tubes
01:50 PM sync: the feed pump pressurizes everything and forces the cylinder forward
01:50 PM sync: which fills the cavity behind it
01:50 PM MrHindsight: physical vs intertubes
01:50 PM fragalot: sync: feed pump pressurizes, which loads up the valve, valve spring pushes oil forward after that
01:50 PM sync: when the pump cycles off the spring depresses the cylinder again forcing the oil in the front cavity
01:51 PM MrHindsight: tubes with a tip with an orifice
01:51 PM sync: that is why they always cycle twice
01:51 PM sync: MrHindsight: that doesn't work tho
01:51 PM sync: as it does not meter the oil
01:51 PM fragalot: sync: it does, if it's an open end oil system
01:51 PM MrHindsight: so you guys are talking about the oil pressure maker
01:51 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: no, it's a dynamic metering device
01:51 PM sync: yes, but almost no machine has an open oiling system
01:51 PM fragalot: an alternative to the orifice type when there is back-pressure
01:51 PM MrHindsight: fragalot: in the handle thingy?
01:52 PM sync: even linear guides need pressure
01:52 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: no, in the lines :-)
01:52 PM fragalot: sync: today, yes, but many older machines were fine with gravity fed drip oilers
01:52 PM MrHindsight: I was talking about the orifices at the end of the tubes
01:52 PM sync: there is none, at least nowadays
01:52 PM MrHindsight: never took apart the handle thingy
01:53 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: the handle thingy is a dumb piston pump
01:53 PM fragalot: just pushes a known QTY of oil out in total, after that you still need to meter it to ensure each spot gets an equal treatment
01:53 PM fragalot: with orifices, that is near impossible to do as the oil takes the path of least resistance still
01:53 PM MrHindsight: yeah
01:54 PM fragalot: so the device sync is talking about is basically a volumetric based metering unit, rather than an orifice
01:54 PM sync: the quantity doesn't matter, I think the automatic oilers have a gear pump
01:54 PM fragalot: and they are ingeneously small things
01:54 PM sync: yeah
01:54 PM MrHindsight: I have some of those in boxes as well
01:55 PM sync: I was also suprised how cheap those are
01:55 PM sync: they are like 5-10€ each
01:55 PM MrHindsight: mine were free, came with other stuff
01:55 PM fragalot: where from?
01:55 PM sync: vogel
01:57 PM MrHindsight: if the lines are of unequal lengths, don't you need regulation for each line or...
01:57 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: doesn't matter with the volumetric ones
01:57 PM sync: they only work on pressure
01:57 PM sync: and regulate the volume internally
01:57 PM MrHindsight: push enough oil through the system so that the longest one gets oil
01:57 PM sync: no
01:57 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: think of it like this
01:57 PM sync: you push oil in until you hit your pressure cutoff
01:57 PM MrHindsight: manifolds
01:58 PM fragalot: you push oil into the metering device, and it fills up an internal chamber
01:58 PM fragalot: release pressure, it closes off the inlet, and uses a spring to push the oil inside of it further down the line
01:58 PM MrHindsight: one line or many lines?
01:58 PM fragalot: one per line
01:58 PM MrHindsight: ah hah!
01:59 PM sync: yeah, that is the only drawback
01:59 PM fragalot: i'm thinking i'm going to have to go with that type on my rf45 given how high the Z is above everything else
01:59 PM sync: you need lots of them
01:59 PM sync: (that's also why they are cheap)
01:59 PM fragalot: if I can find a local retailer -- google only gives me US based results as usual >.>
01:59 PM MrHindsight: one line is so easy that any child can do that
01:59 PM holzjunkie: hello can anybody help?
01:59 PM holzjunkie: i have connected the networkcard from the mainbord direct to the mesa 7i80 and have installed an seperate network card for internet connection. but if i connect the mesacard the internet connection will break
02:00 PM sync: you should have a vogel or skf retailer close to you fragalot
02:00 PM fragalot: I do now of an SFK one
02:07 PM MrHindsight: holzjunkie: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/27253-7i80-and-7i77?limitstart=0
02:08 PM MrHindsight: big thread on hm2_eth configuration, sorry I can't help more, I'm not too familiar with Debian
02:08 PM holzjunkie: MrHindsight: thx so far
02:12 PM MrHindsight: more details might help, what breaks?, when you connect how?
02:13 PM Lcvette: Holzjunkie: what are you trying to do?
02:14 PM Lcvette: I run ethernet Mesa with wireless ethernet adapter
02:18 PM MrHindsight: fragalot: https://postimg.cc/image/vgqcfg61d/ oiler with 3 lines
02:19 PM fragalot: yeah i've got a similar setup atm with 6
02:20 PM fragalot: but the pump can't produce enough pressure to push through the small orifices i've got on it
02:20 PM holzjunkie: Lcvette: i try to connect one card to the mesa and the other to the internet
02:23 PM * JT-Shop had to give a feral cat a new zip code
02:23 PM MrHindsight: fragalot: the ingenious parts is inside that pump thing with the handle?
02:23 PM fragalot: no
02:24 PM fragalot: the metering device would be on the manifold
02:24 PM MrHindsight: ah
02:24 PM MrHindsight: ah ok, that makes sense
02:25 PM fragalot: part of me is considering just removing the orifices all together for now >.>
02:25 PM fragalot: I wonder if they have built in check-valves
02:26 PM MrHindsight: https://www.tricocorp.com/product-category/gravity-feed-oilers/
02:28 PM MrHindsight: https://www.cnccookbook.com/way-oiler-automatic-machinery-lubrication-vactra-2/
02:28 PM MrHindsight: featuring an RF45
02:28 PM MrHindsight: http://s3.cnccookbook.com/img/MillStuff/CNC/OneShot/P1010863.JPG look dis
02:29 PM fragalot: ew
02:29 PM fragalot: mine doesn't have tumors sticking out like that
02:29 PM MrHindsight: metering/flow control valve at the end of each line
02:29 PM fragalot: i've put mine on the manifold itself to keep things tidy
02:30 PM MrHindsight: http://s3.cnccookbook.com/img/MillStuff/CNC/OneShot/P1010864.JPG not tidy? :)
02:30 PM Lcvette: Are you connecting the card to Mesa with a static ip?
02:30 PM fragalot: lol
02:30 PM Lcvette: Holzjunkie: see last message
02:30 PM MrHindsight: http://s3.cnccookbook.com/img/MillStuff/CNC/OneShot/P1010864.JPG
02:31 PM Lcvette: That's how i set mine
02:33 PM holzjunkie: Lcvette: sorry
02:33 PM holzjunkie: and how you set the static ip ?
02:34 PM Lcvette: https://pastebin.com/sL27auUS
02:34 PM Lcvette: That's how i set mine
02:36 PM holzjunkie: ok and the enp3s0 is the card for the mesa connection?
02:37 PM Lcvette: That will be specific to your deep yes
02:37 PM Lcvette: Setup*
02:37 PM holzjunkie: ok thx i´ll try it now
02:40 PM Lcvette: Yup i don't know how to help if that doesn't work, in not using a second network card, just a usb WiFi adapter, not sure if that's the same? it just seemed to work with my d and allowed my wifi to auto connect to
02:42 PM Lcvette: You will also have to change the settings on the card i believe too
02:42 PM Lcvette: What card is it?
02:42 PM Tom_L: he said 7i80
02:43 PM Lcvette: Are there jumpers on that board required for running a static IP setup?
02:44 PM Tom_L: no but you can change one address
02:44 PM Tom_L: one is preset but another is available for change
02:44 PM Tom_L: a jumper selects which one you use
02:44 PM Tom_L: you change it with mesaflash
02:44 PM Tom_L: carefully
02:46 PM JT-Shop: Lcvette: what are you trying to do?
02:47 PM MrHindsight: JT-Shop-2: it's holzjunkie that needs to setup his 7i80
02:47 PM Lcvette: Yeah i didn't realize it was a 7i80
02:48 PM Lcvette: I assumed it was a 7i92 or 7i76e
02:48 PM Lcvette: Didn't know the 7i80 was Ethernet
02:48 PM Tom_L: holzjunkie what ip address is the 7i80 set to?
02:51 PM holzjunkie: 192.168.1.121
02:52 PM Tom_L: what's your router ip for the internet?
02:52 PM Lcvette: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/28533-7i80-db-mesaflash-set-ip
02:52 PM Lcvette: This looks promising
02:52 PM Tom_L: you should use another ip address
02:52 PM Tom_L: pcw recomends 10.10.10.10
02:53 PM Tom_L: that way it won't interfere with your network router which is probably on 192.168.xx.xx
02:53 PM Lcvette: Since you have the current ip you sould be able to use Mesa flash to change it to 10.10.10
02:53 PM Lcvette: Yup
02:53 PM Tom_L: therein lies your problem
02:53 PM Lcvette: Listen to Jedi matter Tom
02:53 PM Lcvette: Master*
02:54 PM Lcvette: Once the ip settings are changed, the static settings i sent in the pastebin sould work
02:55 PM Lcvette: With your substituted network card name
02:56 PM Tom_L: W1 W2 determine which IP it will look for
02:56 PM Tom_L: the Fixed one or the one set in EEProm
02:58 PM Tom_L: you will only change W2 once you have changed the eeprom ip address
03:01 PM Tom_L: it is likely already preset to 10.10.10.10
03:01 PM Tom_L: i would check that first
03:01 PM Tom_L: to do that you need to change the ip on the host adapter to that ip range
03:02 PM Tom_L: and set it to 'manual' or 'static' ip instead of dynamic
03:02 PM Tom_L: i set my host adapter to 10.10.10.1
03:02 PM Tom_L: subnet mask to 255.255.255.0
03:02 PM Tom_L: and save it
03:15 PM jthornton: Lcvette: what OS are you using?
03:15 PM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2VyZm2ZJyJ/
03:16 PM Tom_L: jthornton, it's holzjunkie with the problem and he's using stretch
03:17 PM jthornton: ok
03:17 PM Tom_L: currently trying to walk him thru it
03:17 PM Tom_L: jthornton, does the eeprom ip default to 10.10.10.10 when pcw ships them?
03:17 PM Tom_L: i think it does
03:18 PM jthornton: all the rest of the cards do and it says in the manual but the 7i80HD manual does not state, use angryip to find it
03:23 PM Lcvette: Jthornton: I'm running stretch
03:25 PM jthornton: Lcvette: I thought you were having a problem with configuring the IP... didn't read back far enough
03:25 PM Lcvette: I know my 7i92 was default 10.10.10.10
03:25 PM Lcvette: With the optional jumper settings
03:25 PM Lcvette: Ah ok
03:26 PM jthornton: anything I ship is set for 10.10.10.10 and has a complete instruction sheet along
03:26 PM Lcvette: Wonder why i have no subnet mask on mine
03:57 PM Lcvette: pcw_home: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NTwZk976N9/
03:57 PM Lcvette: What is line 169?
03:58 PM Lcvette: setp hm2_7i92.0.encoder.01.filter 1
04:02 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/drivers/hostmot2.html
04:02 PM Lcvette: Trying to find if this is a setting
04:02 PM Tom_L: filter - (Bit, RW) If set to True (the default), the quadrature counter needs 15 clocks to register a change on any of the three input lines (any pulse shorter than this is rejected as noise). If set to False, the quadrature counter needs only 3 clocks to register a change. The encoder sample clock runs at 33 MHz on the PCI Anything I/O cards and 50 MHz on the 7i43.
04:03 PM Lcvette: Gotcha
04:03 PM Tom_L: it is in fact a setting
04:03 PM Lcvette: Ok, i did read about that
04:03 PM Tom_L: probably not one you need to change
04:04 PM Lcvette: Just want sure if that filter setting might be showing the feedback
04:04 PM Lcvette: Slowing*
04:24 PM Lcvette: It appears i sissy am set for commanding in velocity mode
04:24 PM Lcvette: Already*
04:24 PM Lcvette: But feedback on position mode
04:25 PM Lcvette: I have in my encoder feedback signals a encoder velocity signal
04:25 PM Lcvette: Do i just link it into the closed loop Stepper signals to change that to velocity feedback mode?
04:34 PM Deejay: gn8
04:51 PM pcw_home: you do nothing different in LinuxCNC (other than perhaps different tuning)
04:55 PM Lcvette: Ah
04:55 PM Lcvette: Ok
06:22 PM Lcvette: pcw_mesa: does this give me useful days to determine stepspace snd steplength settings for the drive?
06:22 PM Lcvette: https://i.imgur.com/40ATddn.jpg
06:22 PM Lcvette: Data*
06:25 PM Gotham: I'm selling a milling machine converted to linuxcnc and running well. I'm moving about 2000 miles away and I'm worried that if it has an issue the purchaser (potentially a friend) will be stuck. I'm currently in NYC. It would make me feel better if I could find someone who might offer paid support. Suggestions?
06:57 PM enleth: pcw_home: you there?
07:12 PM enleth: pcw_home: nevermind, figured it out
09:24 PM MrHindsight: Gotham left
10:58 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20180624_195027.jpg
10:59 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20180624_195059.jpg
11:03 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20180624_200623.jpg
11:05 PM XXCoder: whats tha
11:05 PM XXCoder: wnsmill>?
11:05 PM XXCoder: endmill?
11:05 PM XXCoder: looks like breaker endmill
11:05 PM Lcvette: Sweet!!
11:05 PM tiwake: a cob endmill
11:06 PM tiwake: or roughing endmill (I like calling them cob endmills)
11:06 PM XXCoder: breaker endmill for me lol
11:07 PM skunkworks: squaring it to itself.. The linear dovetails of this mill seem good - but all the interconnecting surfaces suck.
11:08 PM skunkworks: that is the Z column
11:09 PM skunkworks: and on a funny note - broke a touch probe tip today... not from running it into something - but hitting it with the end of a dead blow hammer...
11:09 PM skunkworks: first time
11:10 PM RyanS: i think I have an unhealthy obsession with metrology. getting a set of gauge blocks is on my bucket list lol
11:11 PM Lcvette: Must have really needed some persuasion to calibrate...lol
11:12 PM skunkworks: some how I cought it with the handle...
11:12 PM skunkworks: no clue where it went
11:12 PM Lcvette: "she's out 3 tenths... Hand me the deadblow.."
11:12 PM Lcvette: Lol
11:12 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20180624_202552.jpg
11:12 PM skunkworks: as good as I will ever need it..
11:12 PM XXCoder: merrology?
11:13 PM XXCoder: cast iron have interesting properity of cutting lol
11:13 PM RyanS: meTrology
11:13 PM XXCoder: it was a typo
11:14 PM Lcvette: Quality cast iron cuts awesome... Crappy cast iron is a nightmare
11:14 PM XXCoder: so, whats meTrology? heh
11:14 PM Lcvette: Measuring
11:14 PM RyanS: measurement
11:15 PM XXCoder: ahh ok :)
11:15 PM XXCoder: I do want my own gauge blocks
11:15 PM XXCoder: it gets very annoyoing at work. so many gauge block sets yes but so many missing also.
11:20 PM RyanS: i can understand that these days they have laser micrometers and you can use calibration grade gauge blocks to make workshop grade blocks but my mind boggles how reference (AAA) blocks are made
11:21 PM RyanS: especiall in the past
11:21 PM RyanS: y
11:22 PM RyanS: i mean we can test stuff in the nano range in this day and age
11:40 PM nallar is now known as Ross