#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 22 2018

01:51 AM miss0r: Goodmorning
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
02:15 AM IchGucksLive: cold outside but sun is up
02:16 AM RyanS: sounds like Melbourne today
02:16 AM gloops: hottest week of the year forecast here
02:17 AM gloops: im not keen on these temperatures, i was made for cold not heat
02:17 AM gloops: the British pastime of moaning about the weather is dying out, the weather has been so good
02:18 AM RyanS: don't British people get heatstroke when it's 25°C?
02:18 AM gloops: some love it, i dont
02:19 AM RyanS: British heatwave >20° lol
02:19 AM gloops: 30C next week
02:20 AM RyanS: hotter than I thought
02:25 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, anounced here also to top the 30deg
02:25 AM IchGucksLive: Deejay, ackelfoen hat wieder NSK
02:33 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
02:33 AM IchGucksLive: BYE
02:34 AM Deejay: moin
04:13 AM gloops: Airbus threatening to pull out of the UK in the event of a no deal brexit
04:13 AM gloops: slightly confusing logic here
04:13 AM gloops: theyre here because we're in the EU...but theyre threatening to move to China (not an EU nation)
04:19 AM SpeedEvil: Lower wages let you afford import duties.
04:19 AM SpeedEvil: Plus, no duties on goods you sell to china
04:28 AM gloops: Brexit is an easy cop out for struggling CEOs
04:35 AM gloops: well thats about as good as i can do with vectors https://ibb.co/nssyEo
04:36 AM gloops: 3d modelling with vectors is unpredictable, maybe faster than mesh ..maybe, but with mesh you get exactly what you want, with vectors you might get something a bit like what you want
05:06 AM miss0r: I just made a hellova repair... Some of the hardest soldering I've ever done (including very tiny stuff on a PCB) https://imgur.com/a/rn3ERKU The first picture shows the old relay sockets, for which you cannot get new relays. In the second picture I've replaced them with a modern socket instead. In the first picture I am pulling as hard as I dare in the wires, so I only had ~20mm of wire to work with.
05:07 AM miss0r: The hardest ones were the ones were the pins with two wires on them. Only three soldering iron burn marks on my fingers, and it is good to go :D
05:07 AM miss0r: well, I hope it is good to go, anyway. Will wire it up now
05:27 AM miss0r: fak. I must've swapped a wire somewhere
05:32 AM XXCoder: 3 clear boxed circuits on bottomright?
05:34 AM miss0r: ?
05:34 AM miss0r: What are you referring to?
05:34 AM XXCoder: in your picture
05:35 AM miss0r: you mean bottom left?
05:35 AM XXCoder: oh gloops not in drat wanted to comment on his pic
05:35 AM XXCoder: miss0r: im talking about what seems to be new, in your 2 pictures
05:35 AM XXCoder: bottom right there seems to be circuit plugin thingy, new one have protective clear plastic box
05:35 AM XXCoder: *ones
05:35 AM miss0r: ahh, indeed. I also replaced the two relays on the right. One was a plug'n play, the other I had to replace the socket as well
05:36 AM miss0r: those are just relays
05:37 AM XXCoder: ahh cool
05:39 AM miss0r: wtf... the plug'n play relay I just referred to is apparently the one acting up :S The pinout is identical.. wtf
05:40 AM XXCoder: odd
05:43 AM miss0r: ha! rs-online made a mistake
05:43 AM miss0r: well, it still sucks. I ordered 3 8-pin 110v AC relays and 8 11-pin 24vdc relays. They send me 24vdc versions of both
05:44 AM XXCoder: geez! someone didnt pay attention
05:45 AM miss0r: that includes me. I didn't notice it until it was too late.
05:46 AM XXCoder: well you did have expection of it being correct but yes
05:46 AM miss0r: thats why I ordered 8 and 11 pins, so it would be impossible to plug the wrong one in :D
06:07 AM jthornton: morning
06:07 AM Tom_L: morning
06:07 AM XXCoder: yo
06:39 AM miss0r: This thing is not at all doing what it is supposed to at the moment :S
06:56 AM gloops: tried giving it a thump on the top of the box?
06:57 AM miss0r: That won't do any good. This is because I've messed around with the wiring, and have managed to screw something up. That part is clear
06:58 AM miss0r: And I won't have a circuit diagram until some time next week
06:59 AM miss0r: One would not think it that hard to replace a few relays :D
07:02 AM gloops: usually something simple though
07:02 AM miss0r: yeah. but at this point I'm fscked without a diagram.
07:03 AM gloops: well, might be as well putting it aside until the plans arrive, do something more productive
07:03 AM gloops: instead of making it worse
07:04 AM gloops: its going to work 100%, just have to wait a few more days
07:06 AM gloops: right, ive drawn some cloud shelves, something a bit questionable about using such a capable machine to cut out sheer crap - from crap lol
07:06 AM gloops: (by such a capable machine i mean a cnc router in general, not my partocular machine)
07:10 AM XXCoder: hey gloops
07:10 AM gloops: hi
07:10 AM XXCoder: umm forgot what I wanted to say
07:11 AM XXCoder: oh yeah
07:11 AM XXCoder: nice model
07:11 AM gloops: oh the corbel - yeah, its an approximation of something i saw heh
07:11 AM gloops: thanks
07:12 AM XXCoder: I wonder if it could be done in cross sections, then upwards for final milling into shape
07:12 AM XXCoder: though last one would need lot more z room lol
07:12 AM gloops: not sure how long that would take to cut, 100mm square stock, hours
07:13 AM XXCoder: depends how close approcation you want it to be
07:13 AM gloops: the way my CAM works it roughs out going accross then the finishing is along the length
07:13 AM XXCoder: ie how fine you slice it
07:13 AM gloops: XXCoder not sure what you mean by doing it in cross sections
07:14 AM XXCoder: oh basically cut out plates then glue em together lol
07:14 AM XXCoder: thats one of my plans, to make some statue that way
07:14 AM gloops: ahh right, that is probably doable with many corbel type designs
07:15 AM gloops: you can slice the model pretty easily
07:16 AM gloops: i left about 200mm z travel when i made the router, specifically with these in mind, after a bit of experience though im thinking bigger ones would just take too long
07:17 AM gloops: ok if you want them for yourself, or if you can get big store prices for them, not worth it otherwise
07:18 AM gloops: acceleration doesnt kick in with these tiny carving movements, its a slow process, unless you have a high spec servo machine
07:18 AM XXCoder: yeah not fancy machine here. I plan stuff for fun not really for selling
07:19 AM XXCoder: sure totally makes ecomical sense but in least its not as bad as that search for stuff by magnet thingy? forgot. thousand buck equipment and its essentally walking reason aid lol
07:19 AM gloops: id like to make some for myself/family friends etc, ive not played with stopping a gcode program yet but if that works it would be ok
07:20 AM gloops: i dont fancy staying in the garage for 8 hours while one cuts lol
07:21 AM XXCoder: lol
07:21 AM gloops: anyway got to feed the chickens bbiab
07:31 AM miss0r: gloops: This is killing me! but you are right, I need to let it be until I get the wiring diagram
08:24 AM Lcvette: lpg
08:24 AM _methods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRNq55EbnZc
08:24 AM _methods: festo makes the coolest stuff
08:24 AM * _methods needs a job at that lab in festo
09:30 AM lcvette_: seems the p102 drive setting isn't changing much.. here is the result of that drive change..
09:30 AM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/wIHm3So.png
09:30 AM lcvette_: looks about the same
09:32 AM miss0r: Anyone in here with a greater internet-fu than mine, that can help me track down(if at all available online) a version of the Charmilles Isopulse P25 generator circuit diagram?
09:33 AM lcvette_: if i knoew what that was id help
09:33 AM miss0r: Its the Powersupply for my newly aquired Charmilles Eleroda E110 die sinker
09:37 AM lcvette_: sounds....... unique
09:38 AM lcvette_: :0
09:40 AM miss0r: Not quite. Theres alot of these units out there. Alot of them still in service. This one almost works, I just have to figure out what is not in this generator. And it is not easily done. Its neatly wired, but theres alot of wires: https://imgur.com/a/5WXDRiN
09:40 AM miss0r: and it is worse, if you open the generator from the other sidfe
09:44 AM lcvette_: pcw_mesa: http://i.imgur.com/u02CG5i.png
10:41 AM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/DWiaCq8.png
11:17 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:20 AM miss0r: IchGucksLive hello
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
11:33 AM pcw_home: lcvette_ those plots show that the servos position (or reported position) lags the step/dir command by about 12 ms (.5 mm/40 mm/s)
11:34 AM fragalot: hey
11:47 AM Tecan: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2971750
11:47 AM Tecan: works good
11:48 AM Tecan: i would say no backlash
11:51 AM miss0r|office2: fragalot: hey
11:53 AM Rab: miss0r|office2, perhaps you've already found this manual for the D10/E110, which doesn't contain full information but does have troubleshooting information and some kind of schematic for the P25 on pp. 189: ke7qbd.net/Charmilles/Charmilles%20D10%20Factory%20Manual.pdf
11:54 AM miss0r|office2: Rab: I have all the documentation sold with the unit. In original form ect. But I don't have a repair manual as such
11:54 AM Rab: ahh
11:55 AM miss0r|office2: I have managed to switch a wire or two on the relays I replaced. And with no idea what each relay actualy does, its hard to determin what went wront.
11:55 AM miss0r|office2: But theres a chance that I will get a circuit diagram monday, from a guy I know. He believes he has one
12:22 PM JT-Shop: yea my 4' LED's showed up, not to remove the ballasts from the shop lights and drop the power used
12:24 PM _methods: yeah we switched over to those
12:24 PM _methods: goodbye ballasts
12:25 PM _methods: the caps on the led bulb power supplies like to go bad though
12:25 PM JT-Shop: hard to find any around 6k color with > 2k lumens
12:25 PM _methods: well the drivers i guess not power supply lol
12:26 PM _methods: sure nice not having to mess with ballasts anymore though
12:27 PM Rab: I used these in my shipping container, they're bright as hell. It's like you've walked outside: https://www.ledmyplace.com/products/t8-8ft-v-shape-led-tube-60w-integrated-5000k-clear
12:28 PM Rab: Also come in 4ft, 6500K, and frosted options.
12:28 PM roycroft: i've been slowly replacing my fluorescent tubes with led tubes
12:28 PM Rab: I almost put in conventional tube fixtures and LED tubes, and I'm glad I didn't. The integrated units weigh almost nothing, so they're really easy to hand.
12:28 PM roycroft: i'm using a philips product that is a direct replacement for t8 fluorescents, as long as the fixtures are instant start, not fast start or normal ballasts
12:28 PM Rab: s/hand/hang
12:29 PM roycroft: if i were installing fixtures from scratch i'd use dedicated led fixtures
12:29 PM roycroft: but i'm doing this as my fluorescent tubes burn out
12:29 PM roycroft: it seems a reasonable way to convert
12:29 PM JT-Shop: yea my new shop has instant start electronic ballasts in all the fixtures but the machine shop just has cheap shop lights
12:29 PM unterhausen: costco usually has led fixtures on sale for $20 each. I think they have a sale now
12:30 PM roycroft: the philips tube cost $60 for a case of 10 (maybe 12) tubes
12:30 PM roycroft: and no new fixtures needed
12:37 PM JT-Shop: I got a case of Hyperikon bulbs
12:49 PM roycroft: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-32-Watt-Equivalent-T8-LED-Light-Bulb-Daylight-4-ft-10-Pack-472910/303040479
12:49 PM roycroft: that's what i've been using
12:49 PM roycroft: they've come down in price since i last bought them
01:14 PM Tecan: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2973255 -> quarter inch t-slot
01:15 PM gloops: what are you building with those Tecan?
01:16 PM Tecan: a 3d printer
01:16 PM gloops: excellent
01:16 PM Tecan: im sure it wont need them but it was incase
01:19 PM Roguish: roycroft: hey, did you get the mm acad print scaling figured out?
01:28 PM roycroft: not yet
01:28 PM roycroft: i thought i had, but no
01:28 PM roycroft: and i've been swamped with crises for the past couple days
01:28 PM roycroft: or is it months?
01:28 PM roycroft: or decades?
01:29 PM roycroft: i was hoping to get back to it last night but then my pager made noise
01:36 PM lcvette_: pcw_mesa: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/21571/xk7130_1_halscope.log.gz
01:36 PM lcvette_: is that log better or worse?
01:36 PM lcvette_: i just went through the entire drivve configuration.. all 700 plus setting numbers
01:37 PM lcvette_: there are a few that I changed that i think may have made a difference for the worse but im not sure im reading it correctly
01:43 PM gloops: 2000 year old russian burial - woman had a chinese mirror - nothing changes much lol https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sleeping-beauty-found-after-2000-12769721
01:49 PM Rab: 'Close to the young woman were two vessels, in which was "funeral meat".'
01:50 PM gloops: yes, not too sure what that would be
02:02 PM gloops: still, life couldnt have been too bad, silk skirts, make up, jewellery, mirrors etc, surplus food
02:14 PM lcvette_: pcw_mesa: http://i.imgur.com/X64j4SS.png
02:15 PM lcvette_: i am finally making changes but maxed out a setting to get it this far but it was a improvement
02:15 PM lcvette_: now i need to find another knob to turn
02:16 PM * Tom_L shows lcvette_ a drawer full of hidden knobs
02:21 PM lcvette_: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/21571/servo_drive_position_control.jpg
02:21 PM lcvette_: p102
02:21 PM lcvette_: was the setting that helped
02:21 PM lcvette_: but its maxed out now
02:22 PM lcvette_: would a filter slow it down and feed forward speed it up?
02:22 PM lcvette_: trying to wrap my head around how this all works
02:29 PM pcw_mesa: i would try parameter 109
02:30 PM pcw_mesa: basically the drive seems totally untuned, and its rather scandalous that they dont have a tuning tool
02:33 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/HBzUEJh.png
02:33 PM lcvette_: P109 at 50%
02:35 PM lcvette_: the only thing they have is the manual
02:35 PM lcvette_: :/
02:35 PM lcvette_: i asked again last night
02:37 PM lcvette_: would P110 do anything?
02:41 PM unterhausen: what brand of drive is it?
02:41 PM lcvette_: pcw_mesa: http://i.imgur.com/OMsmeAL.png
02:41 PM lcvette_: that is with P102 and P109 both at max values
02:42 PM lcvette_: Chinese
02:42 PM lcvette_: K-Series
02:44 PM lcvette_: here is the manual: https://doc.diytrade.com/docdvr/2394064/47325192/1506481821.pdf
02:44 PM pcw_mesa: looks like you cannot set 109 quite high enough
02:44 PM pcw_mesa: maybe you need to tweak 202,203 to get added range on 109
02:45 PM lcvette_: wondering if that filter for time constant is a helper?
02:45 PM lcvette_: P110?
02:45 PM lcvette_: wish there were better explanations for these settings
02:45 PM lcvette_: there is a speed loop gain also
02:45 PM pcw_mesa: thats a filter, better to leave it 0 now
02:47 PM lcvette_: what does that mean? Feed FOrward filter time constant
02:47 PM pcw_mesa: if you set 202 to say 25000 you would have enough range on 109 to dial it in
02:48 PM lcvette_: thats the encoder pulse count
02:49 PM pcw_mesa: might be easier to tweak with 202 since 109 is 1% steps
02:50 PM pcw_mesa: Oh thats unfortunate since you dont have enough 109
02:50 PM lcvette_: that number I thought was important for the drives pulse scaling
02:50 PM lcvette_: thats what dictates the pulses per unit scale for linux
02:51 PM lcvette_: should i change the resolution?
02:51 PM lcvette_: from .001mm?
02:51 PM pcw_mesa: yeah I didnt notice its on both places teh face the their velocity feed forward only goes up to 100% is stupid
02:52 PM pcw_mesa: the fact
02:52 PM lcvette_: would chsanging resolution help?
02:52 PM lcvette_: .002mm
02:53 PM pcw_mesa: I don't think so because it changes it both places
02:53 PM pcw_mesa: so you can never have more than 100% velocity feed forward (same as LinuxCNC's FF1 = 1)
02:56 PM lcvette_: hmmm
02:56 PM pcw_mesa: yeah you want 109 to be 102 or so
02:58 PM lcvette_: wonder if it will let me put it in
03:01 PM lcvette_: nope
03:01 PM lcvette_: there was a moment of inertia setting
03:01 PM pcw_mesa: 1% resolution is pretty painful also, what were they thinking...
03:01 PM lcvette_: trying that one
03:01 PM lcvette_: its a free for all at this point
03:01 PM pcw_mesa: inertia setting is probably FF2
03:02 PM lcvette_: something happened
03:02 PM lcvette_: i have some dimples now
03:03 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/1ZItBvR.png
03:03 PM lcvette_: let me try that again
03:04 PM pcw_mesa: FF2 without the correct FF1 its not going to get any better accuracy during the slew
03:06 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/LJOdY8L.png
03:06 PM lcvette_: its making changes
03:07 PM pcw_mesa: yes looks like FF2 (applied only during accel/deccel)
03:10 PM lcvette_: i tried the filter P110 for giggles
03:10 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/rE3MRVp.png
03:10 PM lcvette_: whats the mean?
03:12 PM pcw_mesa: too much FF2
03:12 PM lcvette_: k
03:12 PM pcw_mesa: not enough FF1 :-(
03:13 PM pcw_mesa: You might be able to close the loop now (The drives FF1 (109) being at least close will help)
03:14 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/ZBdMRVB.png
03:14 PM pcw_mesa: It also look like you could run the drive in velocity mode (in which case you can fix the FF1 issue in LinuxCNC)
03:14 PM lcvette_: should i try more P110?
03:15 PM pcw_mesa: 0 110 would be best
03:15 PM lcvette_: can't this drive is an -AA model position only
03:15 PM lcvette_: -BA models are both pulse/analog
03:15 PM pcw_mesa: Yes you can
03:16 PM pcw_mesa: You still have way way too much FF2 (in the drive = inertia comp)
03:16 PM lcvette_: can't unles i send it in
03:17 PM lcvette_: i took that all out, that is just the P110 left
03:17 PM lcvette_: feed forward filter time constant
03:17 PM pcw_mesa: set 110 to 0
03:17 PM lcvette_: ok
03:17 PM pcw_mesa: filter=BAD
03:18 PM pcw_mesa: unless you have a noisy input signal (which you dont)
03:18 PM pcw_mesa: You dont need analog for velocity mode
03:22 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/zY33CgF.png
03:23 PM lcvette_: okthat is with filter at 0 and 102 and 109 maxed and inertial load set at what the auto tune came up with
03:24 PM pcw_mesa: OK so thats a lot better (too bad you cant have a tiny bit more FF1)
03:24 PM lcvette_: i know
03:24 PM lcvette_: i will aks the engineers tonight
03:24 PM lcvette_: there may be some hidden settings they can tell me to go to
03:24 PM pcw_mesa: You might try closing the loop now
03:24 PM lcvette_: there are several ghost settings that have no mention in the book
03:25 PM lcvette_: ok
03:25 PM lcvette_: exciting!
03:26 PM pcw_mesa: since its about 70 times better following than before
03:26 PM lcvette_: lol
03:26 PM lcvette_: leave min ferror at 10/30
03:26 PM lcvette_: spread
03:26 PM lcvette_: or 10/1
03:27 PM lcvette_: looks like i could get away with 10/1
03:27 PM pcw_mesa: no need to change them now just the hal PID feedback wiring
03:28 PM pcw_mesa: in other words you could leave them at 10/30 until you are done
03:28 PM lcvette_: ok
03:28 PM pcw_mesa: they dont change any behaviour other than when to fault
03:35 PM pcw_mesa: What I mean about velocity mode is if you set P109 to 100 and P102 to 0 you get velocity mode
03:36 PM fragalot: phew. :-)
03:37 PM lcvette_: you do?
03:37 PM pcw_mesa: yep
03:38 PM lcvette_: i just was setting the Y axis drive to the x axis settings
03:38 PM lcvette_: and noticed that P102 accepts a bigger setting than 2000
03:39 PM lcvette_: should I go back and test it?
03:39 PM lcvette_: P109 will not i tried
03:39 PM lcvette_: but didn't think to try P102
03:40 PM lcvette_: man i need to save a seperate config to swap between
03:41 PM pcw_mesa: That would save time
03:42 PM fragalot: nah what you need to do is change all values randomly, and realize you messed up SOMEWHERE but you're not entirely sure what the right value was anymore
03:42 PM Tom_L: fragalot speaks from experience :)
03:42 PM fragalot: I am the master.
03:43 PM lcvette_: can i just copy the config file and rename it?
03:43 PM lcvette_: or is it more in depth than that?
03:43 PM fragalot: Tom_L: also, did you know that scraping gets exponentially easier when you replace the halogen work light with a pure white LED?
03:43 PM Tom_L: really?
03:43 PM Tom_L: i can believe that
03:43 PM Tom_L: after going to all daylight bulbs here
03:43 PM fragalot: yeah, I can actually see what i'm doing now, lol
03:43 PM fragalot: before it was a matter of finding "the right angle"
03:44 PM fragalot: with a white LED it's just "there you go. contrast. enjoy."
03:44 PM XXCoder: heh I remember buying white leds so I could sort apart old gray lego and "bley" lego parts
03:44 PM XXCoder: thats hard to do with normal light
03:45 PM fragalot: :-)
03:45 PM pcw_mesa: lcvette_ I would copy the ini and hal files (to files with different names) then change the hal file name in the new .ini file
03:45 PM lcvette_: yup
03:45 PM fragalot: what I am still struggling with though is with the left side of the rf45 due to space constraints in my shop... can't really scrape at a proper 45°
03:46 PM fragalot: and I can't move it either because of how much the castings flex when you move them
03:46 PM pcw_mesa: (there's a pointer to the hal file in the ini file itself)
03:46 PM andypugh: lcvette_: Or make a backup copy of the entire config folder
03:47 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5nKyABOX7o interesting
03:47 PM pcw_mesa: yeah a closed_loop directory under ~/linuxcnc/configs will do also
03:47 PM lcvette_: HALFILE = VMC2_drive.hal
03:48 PM XXCoder: he come up with tool to put isulation in roof rapidly. it works.
03:51 PM fragalot: XXCoder: not quite new, I did somethign similar to reach the very top of my attic roof (we insulate the roof itself, not the floor in .eu)
03:51 PM fragalot: and yes, it does work very well :-)
03:51 PM XXCoder: nice
03:51 PM XXCoder: home here it was sprayed
03:51 PM XXCoder: I think they did crappy job and my room section was weak
03:52 PM fragalot: lots of cowboys spraying
03:52 PM fragalot: and if not done right, it can go very, very wrong
03:52 PM fragalot: but, if it's done right.. it's extremely good.
03:54 PM fragalot: I didn't want to risk it & put in 12cm of fibreglass to fill the gaps between the wooden beams, and 12cm of pre-made foam/alu panels on top of everything to create one solid surface
03:54 PM XXCoder: wonder if its useful to convert roof space into room or something lol
03:54 PM fragalot: storage
03:54 PM fragalot: given that in the US you typically insulate the floor of it instead of the roof itself I can imagine that it gets INCREDIBLY hot up there
03:55 PM fragalot: plus you have more braces I think?
03:55 PM XXCoder: 12, 18, or 23 inches between wood studs
03:55 PM gloops: ceiling joists might only be 3x2 or 4x2, probably need bigger ones
03:56 PM gloops: many manage without adding more timber though heh
03:56 PM XXCoder: who knows it was built before many standards lol
03:56 PM XXCoder: 1946
03:56 PM fragalot: gloops: bear in mind that in the US they get a /LOT/ more snow than here
03:56 PM gloops: should be ok so long as you arent thinking of a machine room up there
03:57 PM XXCoder: lol yeah not happening. can do machine room if small stuff (and assuming wood is fine, like 2x4 not `1x2 or whatever)
03:57 PM fragalot: I used to have my lathe in the attic, but it's a concrete floor rather than wooden joists
03:57 PM gloops: fragalot they get more of everything over there
03:57 PM fragalot: gloops: :P
03:57 PM XXCoder: but its very inaccessable
03:57 PM fragalot: my attic is more like a normal room with slanted ceiling
03:58 PM lcvette_: good news!!! it appears the change to P102 does go above 2000
03:58 PM fragalot: it's where i've got my electronics workbenches
03:58 PM fragalot: lcvette_: I have no idea what that means, but yay!
03:58 PM lcvette_: should i set it as close as possible to perfect with that number or sprinkle some P109 FF on it
04:02 PM pcw_mesa: P109 should be 100 in any case
04:03 PM pcw_mesa: well it _should_ be 100 +- 20% in little bitty steps
04:10 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/IyuteQF.png
04:10 PM lcvette_: it doesn't seem to work with the P109
04:10 PM lcvette_: it works by itself
04:10 PM lcvette_: thats wierd
04:10 PM lcvette_: i had to turn it down
04:10 PM lcvette_: it started buzzing the motors
04:10 PM lcvette_: :/
04:18 PM Tom_L: are you _any_ closer than when you first moved the axis' ?
04:25 PM lcvette_: tons!
04:25 PM lcvette_: i think
04:25 PM lcvette_: maybe
04:25 PM lcvette_: we'll see
04:25 PM lcvette_: depends
04:26 PM lcvette_: on how this turns out
04:26 PM lcvette_: just finished setting the rest of the drive paramters for Y and Z
04:26 PM lcvette_: going to run a plot on them and see how they look before jumping to closed loop
04:30 PM fragalot: gloops: because you considered a granite worktop as a machine base: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZhybdaqTwE
04:52 PM fragalot: gotta love that point in rough-scraping where all of the sudden nearly all of your contact points disappear for one pass
04:57 PM XXCoder: I like to use perment marker at work sometimes
04:57 PM lcvette_: pcw_mesa: http://i.imgur.com/obHzGJt.png
04:57 PM lcvette_: first closed loop test
04:57 PM XXCoder: makes fresh cuts VERY visiable. I know theres enhineer blue but I like black sometimes
04:57 PM Deejay: gn
04:57 PM lcvette_: PID is P100 FF1 everything else )
04:57 PM Tom_L: lcvette_, is that good?
04:57 PM fragalot: XXCoder: does that transfer well? or how do you use it?
04:58 PM lcvette_: i dunno
04:58 PM lcvette_: its the first one
04:58 PM Tom_L: i'm not good at reading those plots
04:58 PM XXCoder: fragalot: just mark part itself directly, machine see if its still there
04:58 PM fragalot: I wouldn't mind figuring out what that black stuff is that you see old timers use a lot
04:58 PM lcvette_: may like some more P
04:58 PM fragalot: seems to give an incredible contrast, but I can't for the life of me figure out wth they use
04:58 PM Tom_L: looks like the encoder is following the commanded though
04:59 PM XXCoder: fragalot: https://content.oppictures.com/Master_Images/Master_Variants/Variant_1500/285272.JPG
04:59 PM XXCoder: when I dont feel like using blue stuff lol
04:59 PM fragalot: XXCoder: yeah I know what you mean :-)
04:59 PM XXCoder: works well
04:59 PM fragalot: what i'm talking about is one of those tins with a rag they use to glob on black dye
05:00 PM XXCoder: ahh bit of miscommucation lol sorry
05:00 PM fragalot: lemme see if I can find a video of it
05:00 PM XXCoder: dunno, never seen that
05:00 PM andypugh: lcvette_: It looks good except when the jerk is high.
05:00 PM fragalot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOJrhrne80s&t=54s
05:00 PM lcvette_: haven't touched anything all day
05:00 PM lcvette_: jerk is sober
05:01 PM XXCoder: frag clickspring used candle smoke as marker
05:01 PM XXCoder: looks super contrasty. though easy to smudge
05:01 PM fragalot: yup
05:01 PM fragalot: I use that for smaller things sometimes
05:01 PM lcvette_: you mean the accel
05:01 PM fragalot: but it's not practical for machine ways
05:01 PM lcvette_: im guessing?
05:01 PM XXCoder: indeed. also no candles at work lol
05:02 PM fragalot: I just found out that the first comment on that video mentions exactly what it is >.>
05:02 PM fragalot: "The orange and black that I use are mortar color mixture that comes in a powder form, you can pick it up at any brick place. Then you mix it with a lite spindle oil A to make a firm paste this has worked great for me."
05:03 PM pcw_mesa: Jerk is at the begin and end of the accel/deccel phase
05:03 PM andypugh: Yes, jerk is rate of change of acceleration.
05:05 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/iWceoOR.png
05:05 PM lcvette_: P200 no other changes
05:05 PM pcw_mesa: This is why low (tangential) jerk profiles are nice
05:05 PM lcvette_: there are some drive settings that might correct that
05:05 PM lcvette_: smoothing
05:06 PM pcw_mesa: too high P (on the verge of oscillation) better before
05:07 PM pcw_mesa: is this with P109 = 100?
05:13 PM lcvette_: yes
05:13 PM lcvette_: this tuning is in linuxcnc
05:14 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/l5gHE8N.png
05:14 PM lcvette_: this is P135 FF2 .00037
05:14 PM lcvette_: seemed to need that
05:14 PM lcvette_: i am at 18000mm/m
05:15 PM lcvette_: for testing
05:15 PM lcvette_: is that correct?
05:15 PM lcvette_: max rapid?
05:15 PM lcvette_: the drive settings are the ones we last settled on
05:16 PM lcvette_: P102 = 2000 maxed
05:16 PM lcvette_: P109 = 100%
05:16 PM lcvette_: P103 = inertia figure given by inertia auto tune mode
05:17 PM lcvette_: my dro is bouncing 3 microns
05:17 PM lcvette_: this normal in feedback mode?
05:18 PM pcw_mesa: yes unless you add a deadzone
05:20 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/GBkrUXG.png
05:20 PM lcvette_: P150 FF2 .00037
05:20 PM lcvette_: sounds happy here
05:21 PM lcvette_: no not as good as 135p
05:21 PM lcvette_: any i or d?
05:23 PM pcw_mesa: may be about as good as those drives can do at 1/5 G
05:24 PM andypugh: lcvette_: If the bouncy DRO bothers you you can choose to display commanded position :-)
05:24 PM andypugh: (I think most people do, as that is the default)
05:25 PM lcvette_: good call
05:25 PM pcw_mesa: it would be better if LinuxCNC has a low jerk profile but for machining the tangential accel (what you are looking at) is probably less important that the radial accel and that's controlled by the path/CAM
05:26 PM lcvette_: gotcha
05:26 PM lcvette_: on the halscope
05:26 PM andypugh: Good point, it doesn’t really matter if you are ahead or behind on the line as long as you are on the line
05:26 PM lcvette_: the number at the bottom it shows its off outside the parentheis
05:26 PM lcvette_: what is the unit?
05:26 PM lcvette_: time ?
05:27 PM lcvette_: or is it calculating the actual distant error
05:28 PM lcvette_: f(-0.74300) = 0.03634 (ddt 1.49998)
05:28 PM lcvette_: what is the 0.03634 number?
05:31 PM pcw_mesa: the Y value of the selected trace at f(X) (mm @ time)
05:38 PM pcw_mesa: Now see, if you had Mach you would have been fine with the drives stock tuning...
05:38 PM lcvette_: lol
05:38 PM lcvette_: truth
05:39 PM lcvette_: im playing with D
05:39 PM Tom_L: or oblivious that it could be better
05:39 PM lcvette_: im at .3
05:39 PM lcvette_: is that alot?
05:39 PM lcvette_: i started small
05:40 PM lcvette_: can you have i and d or just one or the other?
05:40 PM Tom_L: you can but you may not need them both
05:40 PM lcvette_: i know im just tinkering to see what does what
05:40 PM lcvette_: just don't want to break any rules
05:41 PM Tom_L: i makes up for undershoot i believe
05:41 PM Tom_L: over time
05:42 PM lcvette_: wow
05:42 PM Tom_L: d should make it snap to setpoint quicker i believe
05:42 PM lcvette_: it like both i and d together
05:42 PM Tom_L: just don't get too much of them
05:42 PM Tom_L: they serve different purposes
05:43 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/nZ7Nk14.png
05:43 PM lcvette_: best one yet
05:44 PM Tom_L: add a tiny more d and see what happens
05:44 PM lcvette_: P135, I.03, D .3, FF1 1, FF2 .00037
05:45 PM lcvette_: more cowbell?
05:45 PM lcvette_: you got it
05:45 PM lcvette_: .4?
05:46 PM lcvette_: nope
05:46 PM lcvette_: didn't like that
05:46 PM Tom_L: no not that much
05:46 PM Tom_L: you must be getting pretty close
05:47 PM lcvette_: http://i.imgur.com/HcVynpK.png
05:52 PM skunkworks: is that metric or english?
05:52 PM lcvette_: metric
05:52 PM skunkworks: ah - good
05:53 PM skunkworks: so <.001
05:53 PM XXCoder: mm?
05:53 PM XXCoder: or that weird imperial system we use in usa? :P
05:53 PM lcvette_: mm
05:54 PM lcvette_: not the bumps
05:54 PM lcvette_: bumps are .02ish
05:54 PM lcvette_: :/
05:54 PM lcvette_: but thats a gazzilion times better than yesterday
05:54 PM lcvette_: the error was in meters
05:54 PM lcvette_: lol
05:54 PM pcw_mesa: bumps will scale with accel
05:55 PM pcw_mesa: basically the drives ability to track the trapezoidal velocity profile
05:56 PM lcvette_: gotcha
05:56 PM lcvette_: but you said it should be ok?
05:56 PM lcvette_: i mean you tell me this is the first one ive seen
05:56 PM lcvette_: is it fine?
05:59 PM pcw_mesa: You can lower the accel and get lower peak error (but slower profiling)
05:59 PM pcw_mesa: Really depends on if you are doing tangential acceleration during machining (normal this would not be desirable anyway)
06:00 PM lcvette_: so use arc leadins
06:02 PM pcw_mesa: you will only have tangential accel if you cannot maintain the feed rate
06:03 PM pcw_mesa: if you can maintain the feed rate, the accel (radial) is totally determined by the gcode (At least that's my understanding)
06:04 PM pcw_mesa: (which may be incomplete, crazy etc etc)
06:04 PM lcvette_: hahaha..ok
06:05 PM lcvette_: https://pastebin.com/ujv8hTez
06:06 PM lcvette_: just to be 100% this is closed loop and im not botching up the hal again right?
06:22 PM pcw_mesa: yep thats closed loop
06:23 PM XXCoder: man so jelious heh
06:23 PM XXCoder: I want closed loop
06:24 PM lcvette_: welp tuning cut short
06:24 PM lcvette_: need another set of bearing cars
06:24 PM lcvette_: shakes head
06:24 PM lcvette_: new fancy limit switches worked perfect
06:24 PM lcvette_: but forgot to turn the rapids down from tuning when backing off the switch and hit the wrong key
06:25 PM pcw_mesa: You broke it _again_!
06:25 PM lcvette_: same two bearing cars
06:25 PM lcvette_: the good news is i can swap them out in 15 minutes
06:25 PM lcvette_: the bad news is its $200
06:26 PM lcvette_: and i was on a high from this closed loop victory
06:26 PM gloops: youre sacked lcvette!
06:26 PM lcvette_: yeah tried to get smart
06:27 PM lcvette_: i used an old config file and the axis were backwards in it
06:27 PM lcvette_: for some reason the check box for ignore lmits is buggy in my gmoccapy
06:27 PM lcvette_: doesn't work right
06:27 PM gloops: well at least you saw it, well done
06:28 PM lcvette_: you trigger the limit, clear the code, check the box, hit the start button and it will still give the error message
06:28 PM lcvette_: so i used an old config that didnt have limits setup
06:28 PM lcvette_: but Y axis is backwards in it
06:29 PM lcvette_: need to fix that
06:29 PM lcvette_: its on'y a $200 minus sign
06:29 PM lcvette_: ok.. im gonna go drink this opain away guys! thanks soo much for all the help again!
06:30 PM lcvette_: hopefully i will have some bearing cars by next week thursday id guess
06:31 PM andypugh: Can anyone remind me what it takes to get a working Glade editor including the LinuxCNC widgets on the uspace stretch ISO install?
06:32 PM gregcnc: lcvette_ didn't soft limits stop you before the limit switch?
06:35 PM gloops: this is the second or third set of bearings
06:37 PM gloops: 10 minutes to set the switches up, or $4-600
06:39 PM pcw_mesa: andypugh: theres a thread on this on the forum
06:40 PM andypugh: Yes. But it seems to conclude with “it suddenly atarted working"
06:41 PM XXCoder: maybe his limit switches is "inside" soft limits
06:41 PM andypugh: I have a feeling we need glade-gtk2 and that’s not there for Stretch
06:48 PM gloops: The Barton 1792 Distillery warehouse partially collapsed on Friday, destroying half of the 20,000 barrels that were stored inside.
06:49 PM Tecan: some trillionair should make a "steppers for life contest" where you can use asmany steppers and drivers as you need for personal use not resell.
06:51 PM enleth: a straightedge walks into the bar
06:51 PM enleth: the bartender asks: why the long face?
06:52 PM gloops: did you just make that up enleth?
07:03 PM Lcvette_1: gregcnc: i hadn't homed that axis
07:03 PM gregcnc: oh that sucks
07:05 PM Lcvette_1: Yeah hitting the home button before testing the axis while tuning is a bit scary
07:06 PM Lcvette_1: That axis also homes and then moves past the home switch to zero right next to the limit
07:07 PM enleth: Lcvette_1: this is why you wire your limit switches completely in hardware and use separate home switches
07:07 PM Lcvette_1: Limit switch worked
07:07 PM Lcvette_1: It was my error
07:08 PM enleth: no, limit switches can be wired such that any operator error is irrelevant because they cut motor power
07:13 PM enleth: Lcvette_1: if your motors have enough power that stuff might get damaged on limit overrun, wire the limits as a part of the hardware e-stop circuit and use a separate set of switches for homing, with soft limits configured. that way, it doesn't matter if you make a boneheaded mistake, swap servo drive wire polarity, the servo drive goes bonkers, the BOB/mesa card shorts an output to Vcc or linuxcnc
07:13 PM enleth: crashes in a weird way
07:14 PM enleth: the worst thing you get is that you have to back the axis off the switch manually
07:14 PM enleth: honestly, I consider any other limit switch configuration on a big machine to be an engineering error
07:15 PM Lcvette_1: I have sperate home switches will before the limits
07:15 PM Lcvette_1: Well
07:15 PM enleth: so how did that happen?
07:15 PM enleth: why were motors still getting power when the limit switches engaged?
07:15 PM Lcvette_1: I did not home the Maine i was tuning the axis
07:17 PM enleth: ok, so your limit switches are handled by software, I see you mentioned clearing the error
07:17 PM enleth: that's what I'm talking about - wire them in the e-stop circuit
07:18 PM enleth: maybe I haven't considered something non-obvious, but I generally see no reason for limit switches to ever be software-only on anything more powerful than a 3D printer or maybe a very light milling plotter
07:19 PM enleth: the kind with garden hose motor couplings that get twisted off before any damage occurs anywhere else
07:19 PM enleth: just don't do that, keep the safety stuff as simple as possible and out of software's or operator's control
07:22 PM enleth: *maybe*, just a very big maybe, add a momentary pushbutton with a guard that can override the limit switch circuit (short it in parallel) for getting off of limits, but that's iffy
07:23 PM enleth: it's probably better to just provide some physical access to the axis drivetrain to make it a bit less of a PITA to wrestle the screw/belt a little bit in the right direction
07:24 PM enleth: oh, and just to be clear - s/wire them in the e-stop circuit/wire them in the e-stop circuit AND make the e-stop mechanically CUT POWER to the servo drives through a contactor/
07:30 PM enleth: IMHO any added complexity and occasional incovenience stemming from such design is nothing compared to having to unnecessarily spend money on replacement parts because the machine was allowed to tear itself apart even once
09:51 PM Tom_L: Lcvette_1, you have all the luck!
09:52 PM Lcvette_1: Without a doubt
09:52 PM Tom_L: take the ends off one to fix the others
09:52 PM Tom_L: both ends are the same iirc
09:53 PM Tom_L: i took one of mine apart to look it over
09:53 PM Lcvette_1: It takes out the metal guides in the middle
09:54 PM Tom_L: yours are likely different than mine
09:54 PM Lcvette_1: And there ones the came off both ends were shot because loose parts broke the other side from the inside recirc
09:54 PM Lcvette_1: Yeah
09:55 PM Lcvette_1: Bigger they get little different they get
09:55 PM Lcvette_1: My smaller ones are different
09:55 PM Tom_L: i forgot what size mine are
09:58 PM Tom_L: you're still makin parts with the little mill?
10:38 PM Lcvette_1: Oh yeah
10:38 PM Lcvette_1: Busted https://imgur.com/gallery/xvnHoIE
10:38 PM Lcvette_1: That little thing is a rock star
10:39 PM Tom_L: both sets are broke the same way?
10:40 PM Tom_L: you could swap those guides
10:40 PM Lcvette_1: Not sure about the set on it
10:40 PM Lcvette_1: But they don't there same as these did
10:40 PM Lcvette_1: Sound
10:40 PM Tom_L: the ball return should be the same as well as the dust boot
10:41 PM Tom_L: you're kinda hard on equipment
10:42 PM Lcvette_1: I'm really not
10:42 PM Lcvette_1: I'm generally the guy who doesn't break shit..lol
10:42 PM Tom_L: 2 rows on each side?
10:42 PM Lcvette_1: ?
10:42 PM Tom_L: 2 rows of balls per side?
10:43 PM Lcvette_1: Upper and lower
10:43 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:43 PM Tom_L: i bet the critical part is ok
10:44 PM Tom_L: where they're ground
10:44 PM Lcvette_1: Yeah but I'm not interested in assembly
10:44 PM Tom_L: no sense of adventure...
10:44 PM Lcvette_1: I wanna slide em on and go
10:44 PM Lcvette_1: I'm adventured out
10:45 PM Tom_L: ur just gettin started
10:48 PM Lcvette_1: O did just get done talking to the drive manufacturer and got some more drive tuning tips to bring the gain and FF system back into range
10:48 PM Tom_L: give them some tips and tell em to come out with some tuning software
10:51 PM Tom_L: did you ever see my build?
10:52 PM Lcvette_1: Oh i did
10:53 PM Tom_L: started with a pile of scrap
10:53 PM Lcvette_1: No
10:53 PM Lcvette_1: Have a build that
10:53 PM Lcvette_1: Thread?
10:53 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Base1.jpg
10:53 PM Lcvette_1: Saw a few pictures i think
10:54 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/
10:54 PM Tom_L: starts there and goes to several sub directories
10:55 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Wiring/Final_Wiring3.jpg
10:55 PM Tom_L: mostly together there
10:55 PM XXCoder: tom hows it so far?
10:55 PM Tom_L: great except the underpowered spindle
10:56 PM Tom_L: far exceeded my expectations
10:56 PM Tom_L: for a small mill
10:56 PM XXCoder: nice
10:56 PM Tom_L: haven't stalled the stepers yet
10:57 PM Tom_L: they're running at half current too
11:01 PM Lcvette_1: That's a sweet machine
11:01 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Column_Mill_VMC.jpg
11:01 PM Tom_L: came out pretty close to that
11:02 PM Lcvette_1: Still think it t could stand a 1hp 3ph motor no problem
11:02 PM Tom_L: probably
11:02 PM Tom_L: if i could find a small frame one i might
11:03 PM Tom_L: it doesn't get used an awful lot
11:03 PM Tom_L: so it's hard to justify spending too much on it
11:03 PM Tom_L: when it _will_ cut metal the way it is
11:03 PM Tom_L: just a little slower
11:03 PM XXCoder: fncy it up ;)
11:03 PM XXCoder: gold plated parts :P
11:03 PM Lcvette_1: You need easy to change repeatable tooling
11:03 PM Tom_L: send cash
11:04 PM Lcvette_1: TTS
11:04 PM XXCoder: sent. it should be in one of your pockets. ;)
11:04 PM Tom_L: mustuv been in the one with the hole
11:04 PM XXCoder: oh well. sorry
11:04 PM Lcvette_1: You have any other equipment?
11:04 PM Tom_L: not alot
11:05 PM Tom_L: like what?
11:05 PM Tom_L: 5hp 80 gal compressor
11:05 PM Tom_L: miller welder
11:05 PM Tom_L: few odds n ends
11:05 PM Lcvette_1: Machining
11:05 PM Tom_L: small old atlas lathe
11:05 PM Tom_L: manual
11:05 PM Lcvette_1: Manual mill, lathe etc
11:06 PM Tom_L: had a sherline
11:06 PM Tom_L: nothing big
11:06 PM Tom_L: i've run them though
11:06 PM Tom_L: and programmed em
11:06 PM Tom_L: my bud had a shop full
11:06 PM Tom_L: fadal, tree, okuma and a few others
11:07 PM Lcvette_1: Grab an r8 spindle shaft and make a bearing housing for it
11:07 PM Lcvette_1: That will open your world up a good bit
11:07 PM XXCoder: there is surpising TINY CAT also
11:07 PM XXCoder: office mill at work uses umm cat10 I think?
11:07 PM XXCoder: if it have no tool I could hide it in hand
11:08 PM Tom_L: i'd get a setup with retention knobs before i'd go r8 i think
11:08 PM Lcvette_1: Thought cost was an issue?
11:08 PM Lcvette_1: Lol
11:08 PM Tom_L: it is
11:08 PM Lcvette_1: Well
11:09 PM Tom_L: i'm not doing it as a business like you
11:09 PM Lcvette_1: Anything bt or ct is going to cost
11:09 PM Tom_L: i do own my own cad cam though
11:10 PM Tom_L: it's pretty dated now
11:10 PM Tom_L: but it's full 3d
11:10 PM Lcvette_1: Bt30 holders can be had cheap but the spindle drawbar setup will run you avgood bit
11:11 PM Tom_L: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9KW-380V-ATC-Spindle-Motor-6-4Nm-22A-Long-Head-ISO30-BT30-12000-24000rpm-replace-Italy/32834801153.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.9.7cfa7d9da4TAdf&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_5722815_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_5722915_10548_10341_10545_5722615_10696_10084_10083_10618_10307_5722715_10059_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_5722515_10621_10620,searchweb201603_11,pp
11:12 PM Tom_L: i'll just get one of those
11:12 PM XXCoder: way too big for my cnc router lol
11:12 PM Lcvette_1: Sweet
11:12 PM Lcvette_1: I would
11:12 PM XXCoder: what kind of toolhold does it use?
11:12 PM Lcvette_1: Nonsense
11:12 PM Tom_L: BT30
11:13 PM Lcvette_1: You can get them bt30, iso20
11:13 PM XXCoder: looks similiar to cat30. wonder why its designed
11:14 PM Tom_L: i don't have the power for it here
11:15 PM Lcvette_1: I bet you could do an r8 setup with power drawbar for under $200
11:17 PM Tom_L: this thing i've got i can preset the tools instead of setting each one every tool change
11:17 PM Tom_L: r8 you'd have to set them every time
11:19 PM XXCoder: well theres other way to do it tom
11:19 PM XXCoder: cheap one
11:20 PM XXCoder: laser and touch tlo sensor combo
11:20 PM XXCoder: first it uses laser to rough find length, then it uses touch to find more precise length
11:23 PM Lcvette_1: R8 with TTS holders you don't
11:23 PM Lcvette_1: They are repeatable and i use a power drawbar
11:23 PM Lcvette_1: Not familiar?
11:24 PM XXCoder: damn cant find it
11:25 PM XXCoder: I think found it finally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-S4RXMdlrY
11:25 PM Lcvette_1: http://imgur.com/gallery/Xn0whnp
11:25 PM Lcvette_1: That's for my g0704
11:27 PM Lcvette_1: If you watch cnc4xr7's channel, that power drawbar is a copy of what i made for my mill
11:29 PM XXCoder: that video have rather scary test lol
11:30 PM Lcvette_1: http://imgur.com/gallery/IUHRd1f
11:30 PM Tom_L: nice
11:31 PM XXCoder: anyway tom thats another option
11:31 PM XXCoder: toolholder type really isnt needed if its very easy to let it find length automacially anyway
11:32 PM Tom_L: i'm out for tonight
11:32 PM XXCoder: have fun
11:32 PM Lcvette_1: https://www.grizzly.com/parts/SPINDLE-R8-V2-08-11/P0704246V2
11:32 PM Lcvette_1: Spindle
11:32 PM Lcvette_1: Brand new