#linuxcnc Logs
Jun 10 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:40 AM hazzy-lab: Roguish: They are fun little cars! This one only has a 948cc engine, but its the original and in good shape so we're keeping it
01:45 AM gloops: hmm, well cannot get 123D Make to run, onlder and newer version
01:45 AM gloops: 123D design works fine
01:46 AM IchGucksLive: morning
01:47 AM jesseg: you get those folks rescued there IchGucksLive ?
01:47 AM jesseg: or was that Loetmichel ?
01:47 AM gloops: ireckon autodesk have killed that somehow
01:48 AM IchGucksLive: yes
01:48 AM jesseg: cool
01:48 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, did you try photogemetry
01:48 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, as you are on Win
01:48 AM gloops: whats that Ichs?
01:48 AM gloops: i only want to make sliced plywood models
01:48 AM gloops: 123D Make does it, but i cant get it to luanch, on any computer
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEsRcFQ1_H8
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: gloops it is a powerfull tool
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, search photogeometry on YT
01:52 AM gloops: ill have a look at it, ive got 3d modelling stuff, its just the interlocking slices that i want to mak,e fusion 360 also does it
01:53 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, seams you are trifting to autodesk as they like to start on fusion360
01:54 AM gloops: well, the only other app i know that does is Rhino with cinammon plugin
01:54 AM gloops: not cinammon, cricket
01:55 AM gloops: there is also a plugin for blender - but that doesnt seem to be working
01:56 AM gloops: https://cdn.instructables.com/F18/EJJS/FRXWGIMN/F18EJJSFRXWGIMN.MEDIUM.jpg
01:56 AM gloops: like that, it calculates all the slots and everything
01:57 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, all linux photo 3D listed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELHOjC_V-FE
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: visual fsm and then meshlab
02:02 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4iBb_j6k_g WHY a Naked Girl
02:02 AM IchGucksLive: people are crazy on modeling stuff
02:06 AM RyanS: male privilege is why :-)
02:11 AM gloops: hmm, on installation, a window pops up saying 123app website cannot be found - so i reckon this app needs to communicate with autodesk to launch - basically, its dead
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: all even fusion needs the autodesk pge to start
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
02:14 AM gloops: what we want is the really old version...
02:39 AM Deejay: moin
02:43 AM RyanS: i was thinking about the idea for cncing a lathe. why not couple the stepper to the leadscrew then it only works in cnc mode with the halfnut engaged and I guess take off one of the leadscrew gears to reduce friction
02:47 AM gloops: probably a way of doing that yeah
02:51 AM RyanS: bah, where on earth were lathes like this when I bought my Chinese one 5 years ago https://www.machines4u.com.au/view/advert/Colchester-Master-6-1-2-centre-lathe/440151/
02:53 AM gloops: without looking as just doing something - its a good lathe
02:53 AM gloops: Colchester - master
02:53 AM gloops: think i may have another lead to 3d interlocking models ..http://www.instructables.com/id/Create-glue-less-interlocking-laser-cut-parts-with/
02:54 AM gloops: i wihs i had never even looked at the autodesk site, autodesk is asking permissions for everything i look at now!
02:54 AM RyanS: machine castings used to be so styling, it's all boxy stuff now
02:55 AM RyanS: stylish
02:58 AM XXCoder: cars went other way
02:58 AM XXCoder: it used to be boxy, now stylish
02:58 AM gloops: that was the british style, rounded, kinda friendly looking designs
02:59 AM XXCoder: I called my first car blue box
02:59 AM gloops: the germans made angular stark looking stuff
02:59 AM Deejay: re
02:59 AM gloops: except for porcshe
02:59 AM RyanS: my guess is people don't want to pay someone to hand carve casting patterns
03:00 AM RyanS: for a machine
03:00 AM gloops: round takes more work
03:08 AM fragalot: round is also not very useful when looking for reference surfaces to measure things :P
06:04 AM jthornton: morning
06:05 AM Deejay: hey
06:05 AM XXCoder: hey
06:06 AM Tom_L: morning
06:33 AM jthornton: got the DusKolector running yesterday, it's much quieter than the shop vac
06:51 AM XXCoder: arcivist ever return?
06:51 AM jthornton: I've not seen him
06:51 AM XXCoder: hope hes ok
07:02 AM Tecan: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Express-Card-34mm-to-Printer-Parallel-Port-Adapter-ExpressCard-Laptop-Notebook/261738414694 would one of these work in linuxcnc ?
07:03 AM XXCoder: besides the fact that laptops tend to have really bad latency, probably?
07:03 AM XXCoder: suggest test using live cd linuxcnc see how latency goes first
07:04 AM XXCoder: interesting woodgas setup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQIW4dVVokE
07:05 AM XXCoder: I wonder if there could be woodgas car engine lol
07:11 AM jthornton: in ww2 many woodgas cars were used in Europe
07:11 AM XXCoder: I wonder if its workable with bamboo lol
07:12 AM XXCoder: grows like grass, harder than hardwoods
07:21 AM miss0r: hey
07:22 AM XXCoder: wb
07:24 AM miss0r: I'm not sure what time I checked out last night, but the kid woke me up at 5:30ish this morning
07:25 AM miss0r: I was in bed around 2:15.. Leaving me with 3 hours and 15 minuts of sleep
07:25 AM miss0r: I'm thinking i'll call in earlier tonight :]
07:26 AM miss0r: I didn't manage to get the EDM to do what I wanted last night, so I will be at it again tonight :D
07:28 AM XXCoder: hope it goes better this time :)
07:30 AM miss0r: yeah well. You never know with these things. I'm no programming wizard
07:32 AM miss0r: XXCoder: This is what my code looks like thus far, should you find it mildly interresting: https://pastebin.com/2255fm9b
07:33 AM XXCoder: very nicely commented
07:33 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
07:34 AM IchGucksLive: we got full alert as hail is trou to arive in mass
07:34 AM miss0r: sweet
07:34 AM IchGucksLive: all gov cars and farmers in order need to prepare for 10 inches of hail
07:34 AM IchGucksLive: so full winter alert
07:34 AM IchGucksLive: in hey times
07:35 AM miss0r: sounds quite ridiculous
07:35 AM IchGucksLive: corn is up to 1meter now
07:35 AM XXCoder: didnt do stright code analize but you wrote it well, with nice comments
07:35 AM miss0r: its gonna be wrecked
07:35 AM IchGucksLive: all tomatos and potatos in fuöö bluming
07:35 AM Deejay: ah, its hey times. so i will say: hey to everyone
07:36 AM IchGucksLive: Deejay, any warnings at your place
07:36 AM miss0r: XXCoder: Thanks. I'm planning to make it look alot nicer & professional once I have it working. Then I will look at little more at the syntax
07:36 AM Deejay: nope, it would be nice if we would get some rain
07:36 AM miss0r: Deejay: hear hear! We haven't had a drop of rain for almost a month
07:36 AM jthornton: miss0r: what are you using for control?
07:37 AM miss0r: jthornton: Its just an arduino UNO
07:37 AM Deejay: miss0r, you can try to perform some kind of rain dance ;)
07:37 AM XXCoder: watching ascii star wars 4. "only stormtroopers is so precise"
07:37 AM IchGucksLive: im off
07:37 AM jthornton: I was thinking it was an arduino something... been a while since I messed with arduino
07:37 AM miss0r: Deejay: if rain truly is the tears of the gods, I should give it a try. Looking at me dance can make most anybody cry
07:38 AM Deejay: hehe
07:38 AM XXCoder: lol
07:38 AM miss0r: and not in a 'omg that is so beautiful, I want to cry'-kindof way
07:39 AM miss0r: Quite like carving an onion, rather :D
07:39 AM miss0r: anyway. Back to trying to debug this arduino
07:41 AM XXCoder: lol ok
07:44 AM DaViruz: does arduino have any provisions for "real" debugging, ie breakpoints, watches and such?
07:45 AM DaViruz: (apart from treating it like an ordinary avr and connecting it with jtag to avrstudio etc)
07:46 AM miss0r: well. I like to use the serial over USB for debugging
07:46 AM miss0r: I just add Serial.println("YOU ARE NOW HERE IN THE CODE") or replace that nonsense with some variables I want to read out
07:46 AM DaViruz: i used to use such methods as well, but now i find it to be a real pain
07:46 AM miss0r: no arguement there
07:46 AM miss0r: But its cheap and pretty straight forward
07:48 AM DaViruz: sure, it works and you can debug mostly everything with it, except maybe timing issues
08:58 AM gloops: right 30 theatrical swords cutting, cnc router is good if you want to make yourself more attractive to female teachers..heh heh
08:59 AM Loetmichel: gloops: theatrical swords? i.E: with telescopic action or just blunt?
08:59 AM gloops: also first test of compression bit on mdf
09:00 AM gloops: Loetmichel nah just 9mm mdf sword lookalike - with rounded point and ends
09:00 AM Loetmichel: ah, so just blunt
09:00 AM Loetmichel: not "disappearing" when you stab someone
09:00 AM gloops: compression bit has not left better finish than single flute upcut, also slightly noisier
09:00 AM SpeedEvil: gloops: laminate! Damascus with MDF and OSB
09:01 AM gloops: oh no not those - although thats a good idea! ill have to draw one of those Loetmichel
09:01 AM Loetmichel: what is a compression bit?
09:01 AM Loetmichel: with lefthand flutes?
09:01 AM gloops: up and down cutting
09:01 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: two intersecting spiral bits
09:01 AM Loetmichel: ah
09:01 AM Loetmichel: the ones where the flutes meet halfway thru the material?
09:01 AM SpeedEvil: yes
09:01 AM Loetmichel: one side left spiral one side right spiral?
09:02 AM gloops: slighter cleaner edges maybe..nothing drastic
09:02 AM JT-Shop: yea my rolling humidity history chart is working now
09:02 AM Loetmichel: in my experience they are not worth it. a REALLY sharp 2 flute tungsten bit does the same
09:02 AM gloops: yeah, supposed to force the waste to the middle and keep a clean edge on the surface and the bottom
09:03 AM Loetmichel: but the ones with "left spiral" are great for doing sheet material on a vacuum table
09:03 AM Loetmichel: doesent pull the material up ;)
09:03 AM gloops: not got to making a vacuum table yet
09:04 AM Loetmichel: do it
09:04 AM gloops: lol, got a few other bits and bobs to do first
09:04 AM Loetmichel: its easy and well worth the while when you do lots of sheet material
09:04 AM gloops: so long as the motor is quiet
09:05 AM gloops: so far im very happy with how quiet my little setup is, cant hear it outside
09:05 AM Loetmichel: onxce made one fropm some scrap wood, a sheet of 2mm aircraft plywood and some 10mm PVC tubes
09:05 AM Loetmichel: juuust to do a few model plane ribs in balsa
09:05 AM Loetmichel: worked like a charm
09:05 AM gloops: what for a vacuum pump?
09:05 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4035
09:05 AM gloops: hacked compressor?
09:05 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4038
09:06 AM Loetmichel: hoover
09:06 AM gloops: wow something that small
09:06 AM gloops: i expected some big chugging compressor
09:06 AM Loetmichel: not needed
09:07 AM unterhausen: if you have compressed air, you can use an ejector
09:07 AM Loetmichel: you need volume, not neccessarily THAT low a pressure
09:07 AM Loetmichel: -0.3 bar is sufficient to hold sheets in place
09:07 AM gloops: how does that work unterhausen?
09:07 AM unterhausen: I have used an ejector vacuum on a lathe
09:07 AM gloops: suppose the sheets are a bit bent though Loetmichel?
09:08 AM unterhausen: bernoulli
09:08 AM Loetmichel: only thing to look for is the shopvac/hoover to have independeant motor cooling or a flap that opens at blocked hose
09:08 AM Loetmichel: so the motor doesent burn up
09:08 AM Loetmichel: gloops: another vacuum table: where you can see how good it holds things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJmBF8HzWoc
09:09 AM unterhausen: I feel like an ejector is the most common way of generating a vacuum in machine shops, but I don't have that much experience
09:09 AM Loetmichel: unterhausen: doesent work if you dont have a huge ass compressor though
09:09 AM Loetmichel: its pretty inefficent energy wise ;)
09:09 AM unterhausen: you don't want to run out of air mid-operation, that's for sure
09:10 AM Loetmichel: gloops: an ejector pump uses the same principle as a paint gun to suck the paint up
09:10 AM gloops: its definitely on the to do list
09:10 AM Loetmichel: just optimized to create vacuum not paint things
09:10 AM gloops: right
09:10 AM gloops: you work a lot like me Loetmichel - will cig in mouth lol
09:10 AM unterhausen: not sure how much air it really takes, but I have only used one on a big-ass compressor
09:11 AM Loetmichel: hihi
09:11 AM gloops: i have got a fairly big rand compressor, i dont want it running all the time though, it sounds like an old motorbike running
09:11 AM Loetmichel: Optimal for a vacuum table is a side channel vacuum pump
09:12 AM Loetmichel: but a shopvac works just a s well as long as it has a means of motor cooling that isnt dependant on the main vacuum hose
09:12 AM unterhausen: I don't think it really takes that much air, unless you have a horrible workpiece that doesn't seal
09:12 AM Loetmichel: unterhausen: when doing sheet material you WILL end up opening a lot of holes because of milling thru
09:13 AM Loetmichel: you'll need a load of volume for that
09:13 AM unterhausen: but our air chuck had extra holes in it outside our typical workpiece and it wasn't a problem
09:13 AM gloops: right, time for another sheet in
09:15 AM unterhausen: I have an "air amplifier" it's amazing how much air that thing can push with a little compressed air in
09:16 AM Loetmichel: unterhausen: the one at the company i use generates about a 3/4 ton of downforce for the 600*400mm table... its good enough so you can mill aluminium and even steel with it
09:16 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14682
09:16 AM unterhausen: I could probably set it up for vacuum
09:16 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14685
09:16 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14688
09:18 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17091&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- 0.3mm brass... try to mill that without a vacuum table ;)
09:18 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17088&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- takes a while to drill those 20++k holes though ;)
09:48 AM hazzy-dev: Anybody using the Rockhopper LCNC Server? It seems very nice, especially the HAL structure graph
09:48 AM hazzy-dev: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Rockhopper_Web_Server
10:11 AM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1zCB72Al8k
10:32 AM hazzy-dev: I fixed some errors cause by breaking changes in Tornado 5.0. This should work with the current 2.7 release: https://github.com/KurtJacobson/Rockhopper
10:34 AM * hazzy-dev is off to the car show
10:38 AM gloops: right, finally..almost, i think i found a free solution to making plans for interlocking 3d plywood models lol
10:38 AM gloops: sketchup make + slicer plugin, v5
10:41 AM gloops: however i need to learn a bit of sketchup first to know for sure..
11:39 AM ouimaisoui: Bonjour / hello. Je reste bloqué sur un point de détail sur linux CNC, je ne sais pas si quelqu'un serait dispo pour répondre à une question à propos des étendues du programme ?
11:44 AM fragalot: Hey
11:57 AM jthornton: ouimaisoui: we just ask the question and don't ask to ask. English works better.
12:48 PM miss0r: fragalot: !
01:04 PM fragalot: miss0r: !
01:04 PM miss0r: :]
01:31 PM Loetmichel: hmmm... this win7 box has a "please reboot to install the updates" window open... for about 8 weeks now... maybe i should grant it its whish finally ;)
01:51 PM gloops: learning sketchup..
01:53 PM gloops: surely the strangest 3D draw ive used yet
01:56 PM Tom_L: why are you switching?
01:57 PM Tom_L: Loetmichel, don't give in!!
01:57 PM Loetmichel: Tom_L: why not?
01:57 PM Tom_L: i've heard stories about the update being extremely slow to get you to upgrade
01:58 PM Tom_L: i've got 2-3 win7 boxes and they're doing just fine with no updates
02:00 PM gloops: just trying to find something to slice 3d models and slot them - for like those interlocking shelves
02:00 PM gloops: this is the only thing i can get to do it, without going on autodesk
02:01 PM gloops: and it does do it..
02:02 PM gloops: https://cdn.instructables.com/FS0/R3YZ/IY0FUM6C/FS0R3YZIY0FUM6C.LARGE.jpg like those
02:05 PM gloops: very useful thing that is, silce and slot any model, you could use it for van racking, compartments inside a box, loads of stuff
02:05 PM Tom_L: ahh those are kinda cool
02:06 PM gloops: outputs all the sections as svg - straight into cam no messing
02:06 PM Tom_L: started up the sign business yet?
02:07 PM gloops: lol, no, not had much time with the router, i keep doing a bit here and there, building up files and learning stuff
02:08 PM Tom_L: those slot halfway on each piece?
02:08 PM gloops: cut 30 swords out this morning for a play - just mdf, getting into a routine with making stuff
02:08 PM Tom_L: saw that
02:08 PM Tom_L: gettin in good with the teachers
02:08 PM gloops: yeah, you can play around with the slot settings a bit, quite a few options how to slice and slot
02:08 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:11 PM gloops: well you never know, somebody might just ask - who makes the swords, does he make X
02:11 PM Tom_L: teachers tend to not have much of a budget though
02:12 PM Tom_L: if i had a better spindle i might consider making a few parts here and there
02:12 PM gloops: yeah unlikely theyd be spending much money for school projects
02:13 PM Tom_L: the ones that pay good want a controlled environment with good test equipment though
02:13 PM Tom_L: the rest want it for free
02:15 PM gloops: ill just have to see what turns out to be worth making, if anything, be nice if it would pay for itself
02:15 PM Tom_L: i try to do that with all my hobbies :)
02:16 PM gloops: not tried any real 3D work yet, apart from signs, ill give something a go this week
02:19 PM Tom_L: it would be exciting to see what this little mill could do with a real spindle
02:19 PM gloops: for some reason using the machine isnt a struggle anymore, its become pretty matter of fact, no problems, no snags, those swords were drawn and cutting in 15 minutes - by the time id cut the tabs off the first lot it had cut another 6 out, so easy
02:19 PM Tom_L: that's the goal
02:19 PM gloops: yes i think youre ready to push it a bit further Tom_L
02:20 PM Tom_L: i just can't decide which way to go
02:20 PM gloops: - easier - probably because im beginning to know what im doing lol
02:20 PM Tom_L: i don't really want one of those high speed spindles
02:20 PM Tom_L: maybe 10k tops but lots of torque
02:21 PM gloops: well, i dont know much about cutting metal with cnc, i know they do use the higher speeds for ally - but lightning feed as well
02:21 PM Tom_L: i've seen a few in action
02:21 PM gloops: those hy spindles all seem to have 20k+ top speeds
02:21 PM Tom_L: yeah
02:22 PM Tom_L: i considered just using a servo and attaching it to the current spindle
02:22 PM Tom_L: the motor is just too weak to do much
02:22 PM gloops: well if the spindle shaft is sound, just needs a more powerful motor
02:23 PM JT-Shop: can you stream music from a server on a LAN so every place playing music has the same song?
02:23 PM Tom_L: it's not the most precision spindle but it will cut fairly accurate
02:23 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop like a live podcast or such?
02:23 PM JT-Shop: is it more accurate than the mill?
02:24 PM Tom_L: hard to say
02:24 PM JT-Shop: no just music from my server to the machine shop and the new shop
02:24 PM Tom_L: ahh you want whole property surround sound :D
02:24 PM Tom_L: hang speakers up outside like MASH had :D
02:26 PM JT-Shop: just heard Maybelene for the second time in a row once here once in the new shop lol
02:26 PM Tom_L: https://www.techradar.com/news/audio/hi-fi-radio/how-to-stream-music-around-your-home-or-office-1164567
02:26 PM JT-Shop: I used to call the sheriff on the neighbor kid for loud music so outside speakers are out lol
02:27 PM Tom_L: kinda dug yer own hole there
02:27 PM Tom_L: https://www.whathifi.com/best-buys/streaming/best-music-streamers
02:28 PM Tom_L: mmm that's not quite what i thought it was
02:28 PM JT-Shop: https://askubuntu.com/questions/28039/how-to-stream-music-over-the-network-to-multiple-computers
02:28 PM Tom_L: https://www.digitaltrends.com/how-to/how-to-stream-audio-video-in-your-home/
02:29 PM JT-Shop: hmm vcl can do it
02:30 PM Tom_L: most of my pcs don't have speakers anyway
02:30 PM * JT-Shop gets back to fixing the DusKolector
02:30 PM Tom_L: and lately the kids have been stealing my bluetooth one
02:31 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop hows the surround goin?
02:31 PM JT-Shop: just put up the right surround panel so now it's wait 24 hours for the adhesive to set
02:33 PM Tom_L: huh, i've got vcl on one of the linux boxes i think
02:43 PM gloops: some good stuff ive used - the waterproof silicone, the stuff you can apply even to wet surfaces, doesnt stop it sticking or setting, its brilliant stuff
02:43 PM gloops: pretty smelly solvent though, and will not come off anything
02:59 PM gloops: https://www.screwfix.com/p/evo-stik-sticks-like-sh-t-sealant-white-290ml/71827
03:00 PM fragalot_: bold name, lol
03:04 PM gloops: its great stuff, first time i used it i got some on my phone - never came off, i sliced it off with a stanley blade as close as i could and tried rubbing the rest off - no chance
03:05 PM fragalot_: hehe
03:45 PM gloops: hmm, tool changer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ZcKoUSlqI
03:47 PM gloops: Sketchup is actually very easy, why didnt freecad do something like that
03:47 PM fragalot_: swanky
03:47 PM gloops: shaky
03:47 PM fragalot_: sketchup is easy, but it's a poor tool for parametric modelling last I tried it
03:48 PM fragalot_: freecad is more geared towards the engineery types, sketchup is more for quick'n'dirty models
03:49 PM gloops: the padding is childs play, freecad could do with something like that, you can set precise dimensions
03:49 PM gloops: just click and pull
03:50 PM gloops: im no software developer, but i think there might be a risk, if something takes too long to write, by the time its done the original goal is obsolete
03:51 PM fragalot_: that's a very real risk
03:55 PM gloops: literally 10 minutes training in sketchup https://ibb.co/bQYBtT
03:56 PM gloops: obviously just a practice shape
04:05 PM Tom_L: that changer spins so fast i'm surprised the tools don't fly across the room
04:06 PM andypugh: But Sketchup doesn’t run on Linux?
04:07 PM andypugh: And doesn’t appear to be Open-source.
04:08 PM andypugh: So at that point you might as well use Fusion360
04:08 PM andypugh: (Because Fusion has great CAM)
04:10 PM Loetmichel: andypugh: just got a mail that my 365 days of "trial" run out... so much for F360 being "free"
04:10 PM gregcnc: just renew
04:10 PM andypugh: If you still qualify then yes, you can renew
04:11 PM Loetmichel: (good thing i never used it for more than a few tuitorials, way to complicated and the always online stuff is bugging me big time)
04:11 PM andypugh: (Though rather oddly they have never sent me such an email)
04:14 PM syyl_: just renew
04:14 PM syyl_: ...
04:14 PM fragalot_: it's free to renew, Loetmichel
04:15 PM fragalot_: unless you're earning enough to justify it
04:15 PM gloops: i downloaded an old version of sketchup for this specific job, i dont think theyve got anything on me with this lol
04:15 PM gloops: it cant even connect to the internet
04:16 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcgYgH0H9WY
04:16 PM Tom_L: big toys
04:17 PM gloops: how does autodesk every know youre making money from it?
04:18 PM fragalot_: gloops: they don't, however it is feasible for them to see how frequently you use it
04:18 PM andypugh: They seem to just trust you
04:18 PM Tom_L: cause you're an honest chap ehh?
04:18 PM fragalot_: if you use it every single day making multiple models.. you're PROBABLY not a hobbyist so it would make sense to kindly ask you
04:18 PM gloops: id pay if i was making decent money on it
04:18 PM syyl_: once my free subscription for this year runs out
04:19 PM Tom_L: i think i'd pay for something else first
04:19 PM syyl_: i will actually pay
04:19 PM syyl_: increases the ability to scream at them when somethings not working ;)
04:20 PM fragalot_: hehe
04:20 PM syyl_: in all reality i dont think autodesk wants to make real money on fusion
04:20 PM syyl_: feels more like a way to make the other low-tier cad/cam systems obsolete
04:20 PM Tom_L: is it a 'get you hooked' tool?
04:20 PM gloops: i dont need it anyway i can draw what i want in inkscape, mostly
04:20 PM fragalot_: gloops: fusion is not aimed at you
04:21 PM syyl_: and get you into the autodesk world
04:21 PM syyl_: for a real company F360 is not an option i guess
04:21 PM gloops: no but it has one or two features - the slicer i wanted
04:21 PM syyl_: thats when you go to inventor with hsm..
04:21 PM syyl_: and that costs real money ;)
04:22 PM fragalot_: yes it does
04:22 PM fragalot_: I'm lucky to have a license for Inventor at work, because for larger projects F360 can be really frustrating
04:22 PM syyl_: cad is a world of hurt anyway
04:22 PM fragalot_: indeed it is
04:22 PM syyl_: i was evaluating low end cad/cams last year
04:22 PM Loetmichel: fragalot_: that mail was the drop that tipped over the barrel so to speak... already dissatisfied with the need to be online and them uploading any drawing/model to their "cloud". so i simply uninstalled it. Nothing lost, didnt do more than a few tutorials anyway
04:23 PM fragalot_: high or low end, they all have their fits every now and again
04:23 PM syyl_: and man. its annoying to even get a fckn quote
04:23 PM syyl_: and dont get me started at the bobcad guy
04:23 PM fragalot_: xD
04:23 PM syyl_: calling me 11 at night.
04:23 PM XXCoder: me, if I dont see listed price its too expensive
04:23 PM fragalot_: syyl_: long live timezones.
04:23 PM syyl_: that is one crazy annoying company
04:23 PM gloops: Loetmichel its never uninstalled heh heh
04:23 PM syyl_: yes. told him that too
04:23 PM XXCoder: syyl_: yeah its like earth is a sphere
04:23 PM syyl_: crazy!
04:24 PM fragalot_: XXCoder: I though tit was flat
04:24 PM fragalot_: like a clock dial
04:24 PM fragalot_: :3
04:24 PM XXCoder: lol
04:25 PM syyl_: nope
04:25 PM syyl_: cats would already have pushed everything off the corner.
04:25 PM fragalot_: seriously though, it's neither flat nor a sphere
04:25 PM fragalot_: spheroid at best
04:25 PM syyl_: an potato
04:26 PM andypugh: fragalot_: Do you qaulify for an Inventor Home License?
04:26 PM andypugh: (I do)
04:26 PM fragalot_: andypugh: what's a home license?
04:26 PM XXCoder: freecad cam seems actually work now, though still issues
04:26 PM fragalot_: I just log in on the VPN & use the enterprise network license
04:26 PM andypugh: If you have a license on your PC at work you can have a free one to use at home.
04:27 PM XXCoder: estlcam seem to work pretty good for 2.5d cam, but guy is turning it into crappy cnc controller
04:27 PM fragalot_: interesting. I should ask about that
04:27 PM XXCoder: im sure price will go up, so not worth it
04:28 PM andypugh: fragalot_: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/customer-service/account-management/users-software/home-use/request-home-use-license
04:28 PM syyl_: i wish we had a comelicense for creo :\
04:28 PM andypugh: We have a network license at work, so I get a licence for home. (I don’t even use Iventor at work, except very occasionally)
04:29 PM fragalot_: i'm going to have to ask our admins for that
04:30 PM fragalot_: but since the network license works fine, and my home laptop cna't run it properly anyway, it's easier to just take the workstation home :P
04:30 PM syyl_: andypugh, you will be in stuttgart next month?
04:30 PM Loetmichel: The ideal 3dcad for me wpuld be one where you start with a block of material and then cut away things until you have your finished model...
04:31 PM fragalot_: Loetmichel: both Inventor & fusion can do that for you
04:31 PM Loetmichel: i am used to do my "cad" in corel Draw 8... i cant really get my head around the 3d workflow of various 3dCads i tested
04:31 PM gloops: blender, for sculpting
04:32 PM andypugh: syyl_: Yes, I will
04:32 PM syyl_: :)
04:32 PM syyl_: i was harrased to be there, do some scraping ;)
04:33 PM Loetmichel: i think i am totally ruinwed by corel Draw. Started with CD4...
04:33 PM andypugh: Loetmichel: Model a block of material, then draw a sketch on top, dimension it and extrude-cut. Just like vurtual machining.
04:37 PM fragalot_: syyl_: thanks for the tip on loosening up the holder on the biax by the way
04:37 PM fragalot_: that made a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference
04:38 PM syyl_: haha
04:38 PM syyl_: great :)
04:38 PM fragalot_: it's almost like they designed it like that
04:38 PM syyl_: indeed
04:38 PM syyl_: i think the manual states that you should not tighten it down very hard
04:38 PM fragalot_: yea.. mine didn't come with a manual
04:39 PM syyl_: :D
04:39 PM fragalot_: it did however come with the original capacitor on the motor, because that blew up in the first 5 minutes, lol
04:39 PM syyl_: :D
04:39 PM pfred1: hold my beer I'll get my 3/4" drive breaker bar
04:40 PM fragalot_: pfred1: don't forget the pipe!
04:40 PM syyl_: or the hot-wrench ;)
04:40 PM fragalot_: the blue wrench
04:40 PM syyl_: :)
04:41 PM gloops: autodesk has identified the catch 22 with diy cncs
04:41 PM pfred1: I'd like to take a pipe to whoever is working on dxf2gcode these days
04:41 PM fragalot_: man I'm so easily addicted to youtube channels >.<
04:41 PM gloops: youve saved your pocket money and built/bought a cnc machine, and just maybe could make some money with it
04:41 PM fragalot_: found one by this guy that's built his own tesla from flood damaged ones, which is interesting, but not interesting enough to steal my attention for hours on end.. yet he bloody does with stupid vlogs
04:41 PM fragalot_: >.<
04:41 PM pfred1: gloops without CAM software CNC machines are not even good door stops
04:41 PM gloops: however, you cant make any money without the CAD software, and you cant buy that because you arent making money
04:42 PM gloops: so they give you a bit of leeway
04:42 PM andypugh: fragalot_: Have you watched “Project Binky”
04:42 PM fragalot_: andypugh: yes damnit
04:42 PM fragalot_: worth every minute, but by god that week was not very productive
04:43 PM fragalot_: i'm just glad they take forever to put out new videos
04:43 PM pfred1: I am so teed off right now
04:46 PM Deejay: gn8
04:47 PM gloops: whats happened pfred1?
04:48 PM pfred1: I just installed dxf2gcode agian for the umpteenth time and same crap it won't accept 3 digits past the decimal place
04:48 PM fragalot_: wahey!
04:48 PM pfred1: it just rounds it to 2 digits
04:49 PM jdh: prob. fine in mm
04:49 PM pfred1: because you know hundredths should be enough for anyone I guess?
04:49 PM pfred1: who cares if you're using a computer with 64 bit precision
04:49 PM fragalot_: a bug I reported back in 2011 regarding a security issue when using passwords & 'screen' under linux finally got fixed
04:50 PM pfred1: you get exactly this 0.01
04:50 PM SpeedEvil: fragalot_: i have a patch to nethack that resulted from my bug report.
04:50 PM pfred1: 0.001 is straight out!
04:51 PM pfred1: I submitted two bug reports to supertuxkart last week
04:51 PM pfred1: the nI started runnign the stable tarball
04:51 PM fragalot_: sorry
04:51 PM fragalot_: I reported this in 2008
04:51 PM fragalot_: not 2011
04:51 PM fragalot_: 10 years, not bad! :D
04:51 PM pfred1: they fixed both things literally overnight
04:52 PM gloops: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/dxf2gcode-users/tFH3K3kJdvQ
04:52 PM pfred1: that groups is like the blind leading the deaf dumb and stupid
04:52 PM gloops: This is what I believe is the relevant section.
04:52 PM gloops: [Number_Format]
04:52 PM gloops: # Gives the indentation for the values.
04:52 PM gloops: pre_decimals = 5
04:52 PM gloops: # Gives the accuracy of the output after which it will be rounded.
04:52 PM gloops: post_decimals = 5
04:52 PM fragalot_: my issue was related to screen using unix crypt, which has an 8 char password limit.. so anything longer than that was a waste of time (and of course significantly reduced the # of tries to brute force it)
04:52 PM pfred1: been there changed that
04:52 PM gloops: postprocessor config pfred1
04:53 PM pfred1: it don't do squat
04:54 PM pfred1: my old copy worked
04:54 PM gloops: what are you making anyway?
04:55 PM pfred1: I guess i have to make more of an effort to get my old copy working on my new PC
04:58 PM gloops: blender 2.8 release pending - been billed as a 'game changer'
04:59 PM pfred1: the last time I tried to run Blender I couldn't even make a scene with a lighted ball in it
05:00 PM pfred1: not the easiest user interface I've ever seen
05:00 PM gloops: need to spend more time in it
05:01 PM pfred1: to what end? I only have a 2.5D engraving machine I don't do 3D
05:01 PM gloops: it does 2d and 2.5d
05:02 PM pfred1: yeah but so does other stuff and that other software is a lot easier to use
05:02 PM pfred1: mostly I just use inkscape
05:03 PM pfred1: but without dxf2gcode to do CAM I'm not doing anything
05:03 PM gloops: well, i was just saying, for anyone who uses blender - the coming release might have some exciting stuff
05:05 PM gloops: use F-Engrave
05:05 PM pfred1: f-engrave screws up scale
05:05 PM pfred1: I found that out isolation routing PCBs
05:06 PM pfred1: but if it is just something decorate then it doesn't matter
05:06 PM gloops: how about the CAM that comes with linuxcnc
05:07 PM gloops: NativeCAM
05:07 PM pfred1: also I don't think F-engrave has a multiple pass option
05:07 PM pfred1: or if it does I've never found the feature
05:08 PM pfred1: I don't do any design on my LinuxCNC machine
05:08 PM pfred1: it's kind of old and slow
05:09 PM pfred1: plus there's no place to sit by it
05:09 PM pfred1: all it does is run my CNC machine
05:10 PM gloops: i think you can do multiple passes in f-engrave
05:10 PM gloops: but anyway..
05:11 PM pfred1: I'll have to give it another look
05:12 PM pfred1: I know it can't scale something right though
05:12 PM pfred1: it's way off
05:13 PM pfred1: I was happy with my old copy of dxf2gcode so if i can manage to get it running again I'll be fine with it
05:14 PM pfred1: with my experiences I am not the world's biggest fan of Python though let me tell you
05:27 PM XXCoder: pfred1: estlcam seems pretty cheap and pretty good for basics
05:27 PM XXCoder: theres also svg to gcode, you use inkscape to draw styff
05:28 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dCC8aLMwoI
05:28 PM SpeedEvil: Side Blow Air Knife for GoPro case
05:28 PM pfred1: XXCoder I never got the g-code plugin t owork right in inkscape
05:28 PM XXCoder: yeah? havent tried
05:28 PM pfred1: the documentation is in russian too
05:29 PM pfred1: so that might be an issue for some folks
05:29 PM XXCoder: for different reasons too lol
05:29 PM pfred1: I know my russian isn't that swift
05:32 PM XXCoder: better than me then heh
05:33 PM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: I want one.
05:34 PM SpeedEvil: the case, or the CNC gear.
05:35 PM pfred1: it just ticks me off that someone came in botched up dxf2gcide then pissed off
05:35 PM XXCoder: case. I run large machines at work lol
05:35 PM pfred1: because it has these "amazing new 3D features"
05:35 PM XXCoder: sometimes its very hard to see whats going on, when part is on other side on 4th axis from door
05:35 PM pfred1: which are completely worthless
05:36 PM XXCoder: pfred1: isnt there versioning system?
05:36 PM XXCoder: if you could fork off from pre-3d
05:36 PM pfred1: but basic functionality is broken now
05:36 PM pfred1: XXCoder good luck finding the earlier version
05:36 PM pfred1: I have a copy on my old machine I couldn't tell yo uwhere to download it though
05:36 PM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: air-knife seems pretty much most of it.
05:36 PM XXCoder: indeed
05:37 PM XXCoder: nice and strudy alum case and air knife
05:37 PM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: unless you go nautical, with a rotating glass disk.
05:37 PM pfred1: you'd think it was out there but I've looked
05:37 PM XXCoder: cant upload it to say git?
05:38 PM XXCoder: speed I remember there was vibrating glass for cars, they first tried supersonics but found out birds didnt like it, then tried lower, dogs didnt like it
05:39 PM XXCoder: think they gave up now
05:39 PM Tom_L: pfred1, is this the same one you're looking for: https://sourceforge.net/projects/dxf2gcode/files/
05:39 PM SpeedEvil: :)
05:39 PM Tom_L: seems to go back a ways
05:40 PM pfred1: Tom_L ah i never saw that page that's more like it
05:40 PM XXCoder: 2009 to 2017
05:40 PM XXCoder: also: sourceforge yeech
05:40 PM * Tom_L forbids XXCoder to get the files
05:41 PM pfred1: I'll try a version fron 2015 I think that's what i had
05:41 PM Tom_L: well you've got a few choices
05:41 PM pfred1: now i just have to spend about 3 hours removing all the other junk I installed to get the version I tried to run
05:41 PM XXCoder: go forward till logs show 3d
05:42 PM pfred1: luckily I saved all of that in a file
05:42 PM pfred1: still removing packages can be trickier than installing them
05:43 PM pfred1: all I want is 3 freaking digits past the decimal place
05:43 PM pfred1: I ain't asking for too much I don't think
05:44 PM pfred1: it is a shame when these open source projects go to the dogs though I've seen it before
05:45 PM pfred1: developers get al lwrapped up in new features then they let eveyrthing else go
05:45 PM XXCoder: thats why versioning is wonderful
05:45 PM pfred1: yeah but you still get stuck depending on old versions
05:46 PM pfred1: of all of the support software that the software you're interested in depends on itself
05:47 PM pfred1: when everything is moving forward you can't hang onto one old piece forever
05:49 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:49 PM XXCoder: though can always fork and move it forward while avoiding crappy changes
05:51 PM pfred1: I was using a fork of KDE 3 for a while but eventually that project went south
05:51 PM pfred1: maintaining a project is a lot of work
05:52 PM skunkworks: pfred1: where isn't it accepting 3 digits?
05:53 PM XXCoder: pf indeed
05:53 PM pfred1: skunkworks in the machine configuration dialog box
05:54 PM pfred1: I can type them in then when I move to another field it just rounds off to two digits
05:55 PM pfred1: like I put in 0.025 and when I click in another field it changes to 0.03
05:55 PM pfred1: so it rounds off correctly
05:55 PM pfred1: but I don't want it rounding off at all!
05:56 PM pfred1: because if I put in 0.005 it rounds off to 0.00
10:28 PM hazzy-dev: Heh, there were about 250 cars at the British car show today, most of them much nicer than the bug-eye, but the bug-eye was one of the most popular!
10:28 PM hazzy-dev: Over the 6 hr show there was hardly any point when there were less than 6 people looking at it and asking questions, it was exhausting, but fun
10:32 PM Tom_L: sounds like it
10:33 PM Tom_L: you gone before?
10:33 PM Tom_L: same guys usually show up here at the local shows
10:33 PM Tom_L: but it's still fun to see the stuff
10:40 PM hazzy-lab: I had not been to a general show like this before, just the MGT specific ones
10:40 PM MarcelineVQ: you brought a car to the show hazzy?
10:40 PM hazzy-lab: I did recognize a lot of the MGT folks
10:41 PM hazzy-lab: MarcelineVQ: Yes, a 1959 Austin Healey Sprite
10:41 PM Tom_L: is that like a 11 or 1200cc?
10:41 PM Tom_L: i forget it's been so long
10:41 PM MarcelineVQ: hehe my keychain is MG, I'm not a car guy though, it's just a coincidence. wonder if I could find a pic
10:41 PM hazzy-lab: Tom_L: Only 948 cc xD
10:42 PM MarcelineVQ: looks like there's a lot of them
10:42 PM Tom_L: dual SU carbs?
10:43 PM hazzy-lab: Yep!
10:43 PM Tom_L: i've worked on a few of those for sure
10:43 PM hazzy-lab: I need to rebuild them, I can't lean them out enough
10:43 PM Tom_L: maybe the needles are wore out
10:43 PM hazzy-lab: MarcelineVQ: https://i.imgur.com/uFss4cp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4Gyjkyt.jpg
10:43 PM MarcelineVQ: huh, these mg guys sure liked to make keychains <_< looking at dozens of pics of them and none are quite the one I have
10:44 PM hazzy-lab: The needles and I think the jets, they are the original carbs
10:44 PM MarcelineVQ: that's really neat hazzy, especially the inside
10:44 PM MarcelineVQ: that a bakelite dash?
10:44 PM Tom_L: yeah they work ok when they're 'right'
10:45 PM MarcelineVQ: or console I guess, you have place things on dashes
10:45 PM MarcelineVQ: *can place
10:45 PM hazzy-lab: MarcelineVQ: I made these window pulls from key fobs: https://i.imgur.com/wBtpSa1.jpg
10:46 PM MarcelineVQ: I thought you said your neighbor mades those, or maybe I'm crazy hehe
10:46 PM MarcelineVQ: oh I see it's slightly different https://i.imgur.com/LxOmSFx.png
10:47 PM hazzy-lab: MarcelineVQ: Good catch! I let her crank the wheels on the lathe so she could say you made them :D
10:47 PM hazzy-lab: say she*
10:49 PM MarcelineVQ: due to my inability to find a pic of it starting to wonder if I had a limited edition MG chain and shouldn't have used it in my pocket all these years
10:49 PM hazzy-lab: The dash is figured sapele wood, her husband made that before he died last fall, it is very nicely done
10:51 PM MarcelineVQ: I see, the wood has a really deep look to it if that makes sense
10:53 PM MarcelineVQ: not that limited edition appearantly, 8 pounds new
10:53 PM hazzy-lab: Yes, it is beautiful! It is called quilting because it almost looks like the surface of the wood it rippled
10:53 PM MarcelineVQ: oh 8 dollars actually ehe
10:53 PM hazzy-lab: Haha, good
10:53 PM Tom_L: it's called burled i think
10:53 PM Tom_L: is it walnut?
10:53 PM MarcelineVQ: https://www.englishparts.com/products/MG/MG-KEY-FOB--Black-Leather/3999/229-801.html is the closest to what I have
10:54 PM Tom_L: well we call it burled here
10:54 PM MarcelineVQ: burled walnut is pretty gorgeous; that's neat Tom_L
10:54 PM hazzy-lab: Tom_L: Burl is actually from an odd growth on the three, quilting it caused by the wood compressing at the bottom
10:55 PM Tom_L: they look quite similar
10:55 PM Tom_L: and usually burl is duplicated on each side
10:55 PM Tom_L: so it meets in the middle
10:56 PM Tom_L: https://hunskihardwoods.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/68.jpg
10:56 PM Tom_L: sorta like that
10:56 PM MarcelineVQ: scary
10:57 PM hazzy-lab: Yes they look very similar, just are caused by different things
10:58 PM hazzy-lab: MarcelineVQ: These are what I used for the window knobs: https://www.amazon.com/Austin-Healey-Crest-Leather-Enamel-Ring/dp/B00HBS2ENU/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1528687219&sr=1-1&keywords=austin+healey+key+fob
10:58 PM hazzy-lab: I actually got a few orders for window pulls, I guess I could also make MG ones :)
10:59 PM Tom_L: stuff you can't get anymore
10:59 PM MarcelineVQ: oh interesting, are they just aluminum then, there's no worry about corrosion where you cut off the bar?
11:00 PM MarcelineVQ: hmm actually mine smells like nickel
11:00 PM hazzy-lab: MarcelineVQ: Corrosion is something I am worried about, but it was def not steel so I think it will be ok
11:00 PM hazzy-lab: I think it is just zn
11:01 PM MarcelineVQ: I wonder if a bend test would determine between zinc, and nickle or nickel-steel, not that it's especially important
11:02 PM MarcelineVQ: though probably chemical test would make more sense come to think of it
11:03 PM MarcelineVQ: the one here is fairly tough material whatever it is
11:03 PM MarcelineVQ: been accidently sleeping on it for years with only a slight bend
11:06 PM hazzy-lab: That is good idea, zinc would be much more brittle than a nickel alloy
11:06 PM * hazzy-lab heads to the shop to do a bend test
11:13 PM hazzy-dev: Ok, it is very ductile and does not work harden easily, so likely not zinc
11:14 PM hazzy-dev: Ah, but a magnet sticks to it so it is ferrous, hmmm
11:14 PM MarcelineVQ: oh hmm
11:15 PM MarcelineVQ: mine is non-magnetic appearantly
11:15 PM hazzy-dev: I guess it might be a magnetic stainless, but seems unlikely, shoot, so it may rust
11:15 PM hazzy-dev: your must be higher end!
11:16 PM MarcelineVQ: heh
11:17 PM MarcelineVQ: if it's going to be a concern you might be able to find out whether/how it oxidizes with acid or acid+hydroxide
11:19 PM MarcelineVQ: you'd want to look up a method that matches your use-case closest though, even stainless steel will start to oxidize pretty deeply with a mild acid like vingar if there's heat involved so not all methods are going to be equal
11:22 PM MarcelineVQ: though a quick and dirty iron test is just to put a little capful of muriatic in a closed space with the item in question and come back in a couple days, the vapors attack steel pretty bad
11:22 PM hazzy-dev: Maybe ill just let it sit in a little salt water and see what happens. I'm not too worried since most of these cars are trailer queens and never see the elements anyway (which I think is wrong, but ...)
11:24 PM hazzy-dev: Ok, its in some salt water for the night. If that does not do anything I will move to the HCl vapor test
11:26 PM hazzy-dev: I think Ill hit the sack here, its been a long day!
11:26 PM hazzy-dev: Thanks for the sleuthing advice MarcelineVQ
11:26 PM hazzy-dev: gn8
11:26 PM MarcelineVQ: night
11:29 PM SpeedEvil: measure the densities
11:29 PM SpeedEvil: they're all very different
11:29 PM SpeedEvil: and zinc melts ridiculously easily
11:34 PM * ziper gets metal fume fever
11:40 PM nallar is now known as Ross