May 24 2018
12:45 AM Crom: RyanS: Swarf?
12:49 AM Crom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLxJEprRU74 making a mount for my 4th axis motor
12:55 AM russtuff: Testing an android app client. Seems to be working.
12:57 AM RyanS: Possibly but I think with top mount rails the gantry could have a lower center of gravity with the same clearance above the table
02:38 AM Deejay: moin
02:43 AM RyanS: top o' the moin to ya!
03:37 AM RyanS: love the idea http://www.atlantadrives.com/intracks.htm
03:49 AM gloops: i wouldnt use anything but screws unless size dictated otherwise
03:50 AM RyanS: not for plasma, most use R&P
03:54 AM gloops: well plasma has got no load so not so many issues with backlash and racking
03:56 AM RyanS: I if you use perhaps module 1.0 the teeth are small the backlash should be minimal '
04:05 AM Contract_Pilot: back..
04:05 AM Contract_Pilot: Been bey and painfull couple months..
05:02 AM XXCoder: 7 hours left on myst kickstarter
05:47 AM jthornton: morning
05:51 AM TurBoss: morning
05:53 AM XXCoder: heys
06:00 AM Contract_Pilot: XX Link?
06:06 AM XXCoder: a second
06:07 AM XXCoder: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1252280491/myst-25th-anniversary-collection/description Contract_Pilot
06:07 AM XXCoder: kinda sad that they dont seem to plan to caption games that isnt captioned orginially.
07:17 AM Spirit532_ is now known as Spirit532
07:31 AM Beachbumpete1: Morning linuxCNC :) Almost the weekend...sorta hehe
07:32 AM jthornton: morning Pete
07:33 AM Beachbumpete1: Hey JT how are you
07:34 AM jthornton: I'm doing good, ain't making the progress on the new shower that I wanted... it's kicking my butt lol
07:34 AM Beachbumpete1: aw damn that sucks but I know you will get it done
07:36 AM jthornton: yea, one more wall to prep and rough in the plumbing then on to the shower pan which will be the biggest hurdle
07:36 AM jthornton: after the shower pan is installed it's all down hill from there
07:36 AM Beachbumpete1: I'm over here trying to audition and decide on a custom cabinet design software for our shop/newCNC setup
07:37 AM Tecan: https://github.com/tecan/IrrlichtDemos/blob/master/WIPS/backpropigation.cpp
07:37 AM Beachbumpete1: you using a membrane pan?
07:37 AM jthornton: fiberglass pan
07:37 AM Beachbumpete1: ah ok
07:38 AM jthornton: https://www.americanstandard-us.com/bathroom/shower-bases/ovation-curved-60-inch-shower-base-28273
07:38 AM Beachbumpete1: oh so its like an insert shower setup
07:38 AM jthornton: https://www.homedepot.com/p/American-Standard-Ovation-Curve-30-in-x-60-in-Single-Threshold-Left-Hand-Drain-Shower-Base-in-Arctic-White-2698-ST3L-011/203978441
07:38 AM jthornton: better photo of it
07:39 AM Beachbumpete1: you still have to have a membrane around the bottom tho no?
07:39 AM jthornton: no membrane needed, but you have to fill under the pan with grout to support it
07:58 AM Beachbumpete1: ah ok
08:00 AM Beachbumpete1: most shower builds it seems you have to install a membrane under everything and it drapes up the side walls in case of failures of the tile/fiberglass enclosure installed over it. not familiar with that setup however so perhaps it is indeed not necessary
08:10 AM jthornton: yea, new construction is much easier than bathroom remodeling
08:11 AM Loetmichel: Beachbumpete1: in germany where houses are usually made of concrete/stone you usually paint the walls/floor with a water seal before applying the tile glue
08:11 AM Loetmichel: asa
08:11 AM Beachbumpete1: Loetmichel interesting
08:11 AM Loetmichel: as a second line of defence when the tiles break/the
08:12 AM Loetmichel: "fugen" leak
12:18 PM Beachbumpete1: just received our new 3D scanner and now playing with it ;)
12:22 PM fragalot: Harroh
12:23 PM Beachbumpete1: ? :)
12:43 PM fragalot: Today I learned about a Hurdy-Gurdy
12:43 PM sync: which one Beachbumpete1?
12:43 PM Beachbumpete1: Hey Sync yeah we got the Leica BLK360
12:45 PM sync: ah, one of those
12:46 PM sync: pretty low performance
12:47 PM Beachbumpete1: pretty high performance for what we need to do honestly
12:49 PM sync: well 360kpps is quite low nowadays and so is 4mm@10m accuracy
12:49 PM sync: I guess it is ok for most applications
12:53 PM Beachbumpete1: well anything MORE precise is CRAZY expensive. This one alone is over 20k
12:53 PM sync: pretty cheap
12:54 PM Beachbumpete1: I guess if you say so
12:54 PM Beachbumpete1: I honestly notice a trend with you
12:54 PM Beachbumpete1: anything anyone else is doing or using is sub par LOL
12:55 PM sync: nah, it just is in the 3d scanning world
12:55 PM Beachbumpete1: We are a custom cabinetry company and we also do custom trim
12:56 PM Beachbumpete1: this is honestly MORE than we need
12:56 PM Beachbumpete1: We are not surveying huge buildings and warehouses
12:56 PM Beachbumpete1: we just need to detail a room and record dimensions and positions of walls,plumbing, electrical etc.
12:58 PM gloops: should have let me build the router Beachbumpete1 !
01:01 PM sync: yeah, it probably is fine then
01:01 PM fragalot: Beachbumpete1: so getting a ton of those pin impressioning toys was not an option? :P
01:05 PM Beachbumpete1: you gonna build a heavy duty 5x12 CNC router with toolchanger and drill block that weighs 16k lbs and is 198" long and 120" wide ;)
01:05 PM Beachbumpete1: fragalot no that would not do.
01:06 PM Beachbumpete1: honestly this thing is quite impressive
01:06 PM Beachbumpete1: it works thru autodesk recap
01:06 PM Beachbumpete1: and we get some rather impressive looking scans
01:08 PM gloops: Beachbumpete1 - 3k
01:08 PM Beachbumpete1: 3K for what
01:10 PM gloops: to make that
01:11 PM Beachbumpete1: you guys sure are a bunch of clowns today
01:11 PM Beachbumpete1: you could not buy the spindle motor for that
01:11 PM gloops: you only need 3kw spindle anyway
01:12 PM Beachbumpete1: yeah right
01:13 PM gloops: what kind of speeds are you going to be working at Beach?
01:13 PM Beachbumpete1: this thing is like 20hp
01:13 PM Beachbumpete1: it is a 28k spindle but we will probably only run it up to 18 0r20
01:14 PM gloops: for plywood sheets?
01:15 PM gloops: btw im not being cantankerous or anything here, im sure the machine is the bees knees
01:16 PM Beachbumpete1: This is not your hobby CNC router man. we are a commercial shop making cabinetry and products for billionaires LOL
01:16 PM Beachbumpete1: http://www.cronsrud.com/pro_series.html
01:16 PM gloops: that doesnt alter the principles behind machine design though
01:17 PM fragalot: it oes
01:17 PM fragalot: a lot
01:17 PM Beachbumpete1: the machine is over $100k new
01:17 PM gloops: how does it?
01:17 PM fragalot: more beef, more speed, more everything
01:20 PM gloops: custom cabinets?
01:20 PM Beachbumpete1: yes custom cabinetry
01:21 PM Beachbumpete1: one of our clients actually several live down the street from Trumps house on Palm Beach Island :)
01:22 PM gloops: well, ive worked in some pretty big houses, still took the same hammer to knock nails in
01:22 PM Beachbumpete1: hammer and nails? What did you come over on the mayflower?
01:22 PM fragalot: he didn't
01:22 PM fragalot: he stayed behind
01:23 PM Beachbumpete1: LOL
01:23 PM gloops: see thats the difference between a bench joiner and carpenter
01:23 PM gloops: a carpenter has the brains
01:23 PM gloops: bench joiners have machines
01:24 PM Beachbumpete1: I have been a custom cabinet builder for almost 25 years man
01:24 PM Beachbumpete1: Something funny
01:25 PM Beachbumpete1: I just downloaded recap pro from autodesk to my desktop for using the Leica scanner
01:25 PM Beachbumpete1: their opening page has pictures of the same camera on it LOL
01:27 PM gloops: you mentioned the accuracy of the new router Beach 0.1mm in 300
01:27 PM Tom_L: Beachbumpete1, still have plans to get your carousel working?
01:27 PM Beachbumpete1: I dont recall mentioning the accuracy of the new router actually
01:28 PM Beachbumpete1: Tom_L Hey man always
01:28 PM Tom_L: dude here the other day has a pretty decent config with carousel code for his mill
01:28 PM Beachbumpete1: Our HAAS VF4 is making me jealous
01:28 PM Beachbumpete1: oh yeah
01:28 PM Tom_L: it looks pretty complete
01:28 PM gloops: sync said 4mm @ 10m
01:28 PM Tom_L: he got a chinese mill with no control
01:28 PM Beachbumpete1: I never got around to changing the spindle control to analog
01:28 PM Tom_L: and his bud wrote the config for it
01:28 PM Beachbumpete1: that is the scanner
01:29 PM Beachbumpete1: huh
01:29 PM Tom_L: i think his vfd does orient
01:29 PM Beachbumpete1: might need to chat with him
01:29 PM Tom_L: i haven't seen him since he got it goin
01:29 PM Tom_L: but
01:29 PM Tom_L: i've got all his files
01:29 PM Beachbumpete1: aah
01:29 PM Beachbumpete1: nice
01:29 PM Beachbumpete1: were'nt you working on one too?
01:30 PM Tom_L: i did orient but no carousel code since i don't have one
01:30 PM rmu: gloops: you're funny
01:31 PM gloops: remember the old adage rmu - he who laughs last, laughs longest
01:31 PM Tom_L: but it looks like it's got subroutines to raise and lower the spindle etc for the carousel
01:31 PM rmu: gloops: for $3k you can't even buy the safety lockouts that are required by law if you want to sell such a machine
01:31 PM gloops: rmu im not selling machines
01:31 PM rmu: and/or operate it in a commercial venue
01:31 PM gloops: plus he bought it second hand
01:32 PM Tom_L: those $.50 switches from china won't do as a lockout ?????
01:33 PM gloops: it the same micro switch in the middle of the fancy box
01:33 PM rmu: dust extraction alone is probably more than $3k
01:33 PM Beachbumpete1: even if I wanted to build a machine like that it would take a shit load of cash for materials alone
01:34 PM Tom_L: Beachbumpete1, anyway.. thought you'd like to know
01:34 PM Beachbumpete1: the tubing the frame is made of is like 20" rectangular and maybe 3/4 wall or something
01:34 PM Beachbumpete1: Tom_L Oh I do man thank you
01:34 PM rmu: over here, dangerous machines like cnc equipment, hydraulic presses etc... have to follow european union "maschinenrichtline" and be certified that they do
01:35 PM gloops: rmu thats why we're leaving
01:35 PM gloops: load of bumf
01:35 PM fragalot: gloops: it really is not the same switch AT ALL.
01:36 PM Beachbumpete1: shit it looks like the boss loaded a password in the scanners wifi and now it does not work GAAHHHHHhhhhh
01:36 PM gloops: i can buy a £300 table saw with full safety regs
01:36 PM fragalot: Beachbumpete1: xD
01:36 PM rmu: gloops: i don't think that's why you are leaving
01:36 PM rmu: gloops: and those regulations will live on
01:37 PM gloops: rmu business here is sick of EU red tape, thats one reason
01:37 PM rmu: gloops: even US businesses are forced to follow EU regulations like ROHS, REACH etc..
01:38 PM gloops: we wont be forced to do anything by the EU
01:38 PM fragalot: yes you will
01:38 PM rmu: gloops: the reason is you have stupid politicians ;-)
01:38 PM fragalot: otherwise you can't export anywhere
01:38 PM gloops: so china follows these regs then?
01:38 PM fragalot: rmu: don't forget the bus :-)
01:38 PM rmu: gloops: you will not be forced, but then you can't sell your machinery in eu
01:38 PM fragalot: gloops: they skim the line, but yes, actually
01:39 PM fragalot: the machine guidelines are not as anal as you may think
01:39 PM gloops: rmu we have bigger fish to fry than the EU
01:39 PM rmu: gloops: yes, legitimate chinese businesses follow them
01:39 PM fragalot: everything in there (bear in mind, this has literally been my job for the past decade), is very reasonable
01:39 PM rmu: gloops: happy frying then
01:39 PM fragalot: and all of it is common sense
01:39 PM fragalot: things like "ensure the operator can not get pulled into the 50 ton roller press"
01:40 PM gloops: im sure our equipment will be safe
01:40 PM rmu: the good thing about this regulations is that they give some sort of legal protection for operators and manufacturers against stupid users
01:41 PM gloops: and a massive advantage to german industry
01:41 PM Beachbumpete1: Didn't you guys build the electrical systes for Jaguars ;)
01:41 PM gloops: how about some german corps following regulations, like VW for example
01:42 PM rmu: gloops: how is common sense a massive advantage to german industry
01:43 PM gloops: because it isnt common sense at all
01:44 PM rmu: nobody is forced to buy german equipment or german cars
01:45 PM gloops: no but when germany runs currency deflated by 25% the economics leaves little choice
01:46 PM rmu: gloops: you are saying that german machinery and german cars should cost 25% more? are too cheap?
01:47 PM Beachbumpete1: Damn things are definitely not cheap over here ;)
01:47 PM gloops: rmu basically yes, the UK knows it, Trump knows it, southern europe increasingly knows it
01:48 PM gloops: the writing is on the wall for this little scheme im afraid
01:48 PM gloops: but anyway we have strayed from linux and cnc talk here
01:49 PM rmu: and chickens and weather reports
01:50 PM fragalot: .weather everywhere
01:50 PM fragalot: :3
01:50 PM gloops: rain all day tommorrow
01:59 PM Tom_L: .weather gloopsville
02:00 PM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Kulpsville, PA, US: Sunny, 25°C (77°F), Humidity: 32%, Light breeze 3.1m/s (↘)
02:00 PM Tom_L: hah
02:00 PM rmu: .weather rµtown
02:00 PM theCockerel: rmu: I don't know where that is.
02:01 PM * fragalot is immune to theCockerel
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: .time
02:08 PM theCockerel: 2018-05-24 - 18:32:45
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: .self_destruct_sequence
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: <feature not activated>
02:09 PM fragalot: camelcase
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: I wonder who first person was that fell for the format c: ?
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: http://geekprank.com/fake-dos/
02:13 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: I konw of a Gentoo dev running rm -rf / as root to prove that it can't be done anymore after a patch to the kernel
02:13 PM fragalot: sadly,.. the server he ran it on hadn't had that patch installed yet
02:13 PM fragalot: and was quite vital...
02:13 PM fragalot: he works for IBM now.
02:14 PM CaptHindsight: ouch
02:16 PM CaptHindsight: 30C today, summer is here, no spring again this year
02:16 PM fragalot: 25°C and absolutely hammering it down with bucket-sized drops of rain
02:17 PM CaptHindsight: 33C this weekend
02:17 PM CaptHindsight: will trade weather
02:17 PM fragalot: deal.
02:17 PM Beachbumpete1: you guys are US based why do you use C? LOL
02:18 PM fragalot: why don't you
02:18 PM CaptHindsight: I use several systems so often it doesn't matter much to me
02:18 PM Beachbumpete1: touche'
02:19 PM gloops: nice week forecast, temps around 75 F
02:19 PM gloops: more than that isnt necessary
02:19 PM Beachbumpete1: apparently its supposed to rain all memorial day weekend here GAaahhhh
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: 302°K currently
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: don't you get rain just about every day there?
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: if only for a few minutes
02:20 PM Beachbumpete1: in the summer occasionally
02:21 PM Beachbumpete1: it is the rainy season now tho
02:34 PM gregcnc_: capthindsight, our two weeks of spring is over summer is here
02:49 PM Tom_L: it's not that unusual to have all 4 seasons here in one day
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: I recall wiping snow off the car 3-4 weeks ago
02:51 PM Tom_L: so if the cops use pepperspray on perpetrators, doesn't that just make them more seasoned criminals?
02:51 PM gregcnc_: yeah i don't remember a year like this
02:51 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: rim shot
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: I used to go to Computex the first week of June in Taiwan..
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: I'd leave here still used to cold and arrive in tropical weather
02:53 PM Tom_L: the look at you funny when you get off the plane in a parka?
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: cold/cool, definitely not ready for 90+ and 120% humidity
02:54 PM fragalot: °C too
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: for me it's more the humidity
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: dry <50% humidity 40C isn't too bad, 30C and >90% humidity is far worse
02:56 PM gregcnc_: https://printrbot.com/shop/printrbelt-kit/
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: did you see that link a few days ago for local automation parts?
02:56 PM gregcnc_: yeah, I couldn't figure out where they were
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: was on the phone, think they were in Hoffman Estates
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: let me check
03:01 PM gregcnc_: the site said something about buying all the old hiwin invetory so i checked Hiwin and they are in Huntely now
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.automation-overstock.com/
03:03 PM gregcnc_: The say they are "legacy Hiwin headquarters", whatever that is
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: was Elgin
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.automation-overstock.com/information.asp
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: cosmetic flaws, returns, private label etc
03:05 PM gregcnc_: fark, i ran out of coffe have..... to..... get....... some
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03:19 PM XXCoder: gregcnc_: got any covfefe?
03:27 PM nobo: linuxcnc latency test nach 30 min über 100000 vor um 15000
03:29 PM hazzy-dev: XXCoder: LOL
03:31 PM nobo: an pc nutzen ?
03:32 PM XXCoder: 100k latency that dont seem good
03:32 PM XXCoder: try turn off power management system in bios
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03:33 PM nobo: danke , ich werde das versuchen.
03:34 PM XXCoder: hmm hope I actually helped. lol
03:35 PM Guest63066 is now known as McBird
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03:37 PM CaptHindsight: turn off power management and virtualization are the big ones
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: speed stepping/ cpu frequency throttling falls under power management
03:37 PM XXCoder: guy already left
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: this is for your info
03:38 PM XXCoder: ahh ok :)
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: spread spectrum jitters the cpu clocks
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: why you want that off as well
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: though it's usually <1%
03:40 PM XXCoder: hope I can remember that lol. hey why not "how to fix jitter" wiki page?
03:40 PM XXCoder: quick writeup so we can link to it
03:40 PM Guest75065 is now known as McBride36
03:41 PM rmu: nobo: what kernel?
03:41 PM rmu: oh. too late.
03:41 PM XXCoder: lol wondered how long
03:42 PM fragalot: it probably is already written down, XXCoder
03:42 PM XXCoder: most people reconize this in short time, but I still remember that epic rant against guy who left over 10 minutes before
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: there are several wiki pages about it
03:43 PM rmu: i always disable part/join message in irc clients, too much noise
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: so when they come asking in here they probably didn't or can't read the wiki
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: joined/left/joined/left.....
03:44 PM XXCoder: rmu: I love my addon script, "NoRepeat" for hexchat
03:45 PM XXCoder: it shows joins and leaves but leave out repeated leave and enters without saying anything
03:45 PM XXCoder: so I know when someone leaves but no spam
03:45 PM CaptHindsight: unfortunately ignore has become the most often used feature
03:46 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: or can't find the right wiki page, which is my main issue at times
03:47 PM rmu: installing linuxcnc without any linux experience can be tricky
03:55 PM Grotius: hello test
03:57 PM hazzy-dev: test hello
04:07 PM Grotius: Hi Hazzy, nice to hear some responce. I am here for first time....
04:08 PM gloops: welcome Grotius
04:09 PM jthornton: hmm today is a new record egg average size is large for the first time
04:09 PM jthornton: Grotius: usually we just ask our questions unless we are just shooting the breeze
04:13 PM Grotius: Okey i have question about linuxcnc distribution to my customers. Am i allowed to make a invoice to my customers for custom linuxcnc screen design?
04:18 PM Grotius: After one year of linuxcnc study i am now at the moment to deliver my first linux machine with high defenition plasma and custom screen design. It uses my github version : michelwijnja / neg.adaptive feed in combination with mr.Dgarrets external offsets and mr. Thornton's Thcud component
04:18 PM XXCoder: Weird. https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/handgun-impales-front-bumper-of-car-on-i-5/557913184
04:21 PM JT-Shop: Grotius: I don't see why you can
04:21 PM JT-Shop: 't charge for your work
04:25 PM Grotius: Hi JT-shop, what i probably see as problem is that linux is open source. Customer could say, you have to publisch all files for free. I have heared that someone has separeted the g-code intepreter and after he did it, he had to publisch the files after he was asked for. That can also be for custom screen design or not?
04:32 PM Grotius: For example, next year i have studied 2 years for making linuxcnc perfect for plasma high defenition. Okey the source code i use is on my github channel. Everyone can use this. But the screen and internal plasma code is important for my company to make profit. It is just like Mesa. They have a company and want to make profit. If Mesa cards have been copied by chinese company, mesa is closed. How is Mesa handling this issue?
04:34 PM XXCoder: my suggestion?
04:34 PM XXCoder: lawyer. all jokes aside they are really great on navigating issues of open source and selling products with it
04:36 PM XXCoder: now the joke: lawyer fell into shark-infested water. he was stuck swimming there for a whole hour before someone could arrive to get lawyer out of water. No shark bit, because of professional courtesy.
04:36 PM CaptHindsight: Grotius: Mesa doesn't share schematics or PCB layout, the rest as far as I know is open source
04:38 PM CaptHindsight: Grotius: you can take the LCNC ISO and put it on ebay for $1M and it doesn't violate the GPL license
04:39 PM CaptHindsight: Grotius: you should check the license with n attorney to see how your closed code can work with GPL
04:40 PM CaptHindsight: n/am
04:42 PM Grotius: CaptHindsight, thanks. I will do that with the chamber of commerce here in holland. They have specialists there. In holland we pay a donation each year, so investegating this will be free of charge
04:45 PM CaptHindsight: Grotius: you'd be surprised by the things people make up or misunderstand about money and GPL
04:45 PM rmu: Grotius: with the GPL it boils down to if the code you want to keep proprietary is a derived work. with somewhat separate modules it is not straightforward to decide what is a derived work and what is not. i would ask a lawyer.
04:46 PM rmu: Grotius: you can sell GPLd code, even as a binary, but you have to include a written offer to distribute source code to your clients
04:46 PM rmu: s/clients/customers/
04:47 PM rmu: and of course make good on the offer if a customer wants the source
04:47 PM * djdelorie recommends avoiding the "written offer" option, it can be used to DDOS your shipping dept
04:48 PM jesseg: djdelorie, is it best to just include source or include a link to source?
04:48 PM djdelorie: include sources is best
04:48 PM CaptHindsight: lost of confusion between moral and legal issues with open source
04:48 PM djdelorie: link to source on web second best, the trick there is keeping it around long enough to comply with binaries shipped ages ago
04:49 PM jesseg: yeah
04:49 PM djdelorie: I don't know if "link to web" even counts in GPLv2, GPLv3 changes this IIRC
04:50 PM djdelorie: sources on web works with binaries on web, if you take down binaries and sources together as they "age"
04:53 PM Grotius: Next item i want to ask is, my concurrent company is very impressed, he cloned a disk by my customer on site. How do i protect this disk the best way from being read out in a certain section? is home folder encryption enough?
04:53 PM djdelorie: also, if you include sources with the binaries, you can immediately wash your hands of any further responsibility wrt those binaries
04:54 PM Grotius: Djdelorie, i will remember this, include the sources is very very good !!
04:55 PM rmu: Grotius: either you need the stuff, then you have to be able to read it, or you don't need it, then don't include it
04:59 PM JT-Shop: Grotius: that is above my pay grade
04:59 PM Deejay: gn8
05:02 PM Grotius: JT shop, this is machine is sold for 50.000 euro. With 100Amp thermal dynamics ultra cut system. Later i will post some pictures and video's. But most important, its running on linuxcnc
05:04 PM JT-Shop: nice, how is my thcud component working?
05:05 PM Grotius: Very very good !! I am very impressed by your code and by your tutorials.
05:05 PM rene-dev_: Grotius Im interested in the GUI you are using... any screenshots?
05:05 PM JT-Shop: thanks
05:05 PM Grotius: Only i need a plasma feed hold if tranfer is lost
05:06 PM * JT-Shop goes back to bathroom remodeling
05:09 PM Grotius: This is a screenshot in youtube, it's adaptive feed in combination with external offsets. Perfect for sunpowered power plants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSk0lxAE2Dg
05:12 PM CaptHindsight: it's OK I'll get around to REing his work and make it open :)
05:12 PM Grotius: Rene-dev, the gui is just like mach3, it's very simple to use for plasma. My customers are not always good with computers, so i must make something simple. Thanks to JT... i can say at last.
05:12 PM hazzy-dev: Grotius: That looks very nice! Great work!
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: some students in a South Asian nation that will remain nameless took LCNC, slapped their names on it and turned it in for their thesis
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: happened with a few projects like coreboot and others as well
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: "look professor, we wrote millions of lines of code last year"
05:16 PM Rab: Haha, did they get good grades?
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: if you're born into that class or person i think you pass for just showing up
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: or/of
05:19 PM hazzy-dev: Grotius: If I may suggest, don't try to make money off the softwear its self, that would be precarious at best. Have your clients pay for your expertise (by setting up the machines, consulting etc.), I think in the long run you will come out ahead, and the legal bits will be much less iffy
05:23 PM Grotius: Hazzy, you are right. By building machines you make profits. By building software you get only very smart. But my issue was : mach3 is not professional enough and working good enough for expensive machines like tube cnc cutters.
05:24 PM CaptHindsight: have you considered https://github.com/grbl/grbl/wiki
05:24 PM CaptHindsight: or
05:24 PM Grotius: The development of linuxcnc costed me about 100.000 euro in time
05:25 PM CaptHindsight: http://reprap.org/wiki/List_of_Firmware#Sprinter
05:25 PM CaptHindsight: http://reprap.org/wiki/List_of_Firmware#Marlin
05:25 PM CaptHindsight: or http://smoothieware.org/smoothieboard
05:25 PM CaptHindsight: some say that they will revolutionize manufacturing as somebody knows it
05:26 PM CaptHindsight: http://smoothieware.org/
05:26 PM hazzy-dev: Grotius: You make CNC tube cutters, like for tube notching?! I have designed several machines for that :)
05:26 PM hazzy-dev: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXDhXe47Ud0
05:26 PM CaptHindsight: since PC are too general purpose for things like real time control
05:27 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-dev: did you lose your dreadlocks on that one? :)
05:28 PM hazzy-dev: Yes, I WAS a read head xD
05:28 PM CaptHindsight: copper top
05:29 PM Tom_L: hazzy-dev, any luck on the kernel?
05:29 PM Grotius: Hazzy, 1 in poland, 2 in jakarta, 2 in holland, 1 in russia
05:30 PM hazzy-dev: Tom_L: Nope, but I have not tried any more :P
05:30 PM hazzy-dev: Grotius: Nice!
05:31 PM Grotius: Russia, was nice, i was called by bank..... They where checking if it was tube cutter for rocket's
05:31 PM Tom_L: did you say yes?
05:32 PM hazzy-dev: They would probably say, oh, tube cutter, we better check that out, we deal with rockets every day
05:32 PM CaptHindsight: but it doesn't work for bad people
05:33 PM hazzy-dev: I'm still proud of the chuck i designed for the tube notcher: https://youtu.be/5S8kO3-p4vs
05:33 PM Grotius: They where very serious, because bank can be in great trouble if the are financing rocket's to Russia, we have embargo with Russia in Holland
05:33 PM CaptHindsight: Grotius: who can you sell rocket making tools to?
05:34 PM Grotius: Capt... Tube cutters is just like lathe... You can make everything with it from tube
05:34 PM Grotius: I said to bank. Just like lathe.... If you want, you can make rocket with tube cutter.
05:34 PM rmu: it boggles the mind how NASA and ESA get around those rocket-embargos when they need somebody sent up to the ISS
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: around here everyone is a suspected terrorist until you are a proven terrorist
05:36 PM CaptHindsight: for your protection
05:36 PM Tom_L: uh huh
05:37 PM Grotius: Russian's are great people, but they are smart too. They wan't exactly what you have.
05:37 PM hazzy-dev: CaptHindsight: Around here you are suspected terrorist if you don't look like one, otherwise you are left alone
05:40 PM Grotius: If you want to be in contact with russian, contact purelogic. They claim to have a lifetime software licence. The software is like mach
05:40 PM hazzy-dev: Some of my best class mates in engineering school were Russian, absolutely brilliant people, but always in a hurry
05:40 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-dev: what was the hurry?
05:41 PM hazzy-dev: I don't know, but they were always rushen off somewhere
05:43 PM asdfasd: just downloaded the latest 2.7.13 but when I run it it shows 2.7.0
05:43 PM asdfasd: is that normal?
05:44 PM Grotius: maybe forgot . ./rip-environment to type?
05:45 PM asdfasd: Im sorry Im not good with linux, when I should type that?
05:45 PM hazzy-dev: asdfasd: How did you install it?
05:45 PM asdfasd: currently installing, the first run was live
05:46 PM hazzy-dev: Ok, then you probably just need to update
05:46 PM hazzy-dev: $ sudo apt-get update
05:46 PM asdfasd: not possible to download latest iso?
05:46 PM hazzy-dev: $ sudo apt-get upgrade
05:46 PM hazzy-dev: It is, what ISO did you use?
05:47 PM asdfasd: the one on the website, download page
05:47 PM hazzy-dev: checking
05:47 PM asdfasd: linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso
05:48 PM hazzy-dev: Ok, that must come with 2.7.0, it is easy to update to 2.7.13
05:49 PM asdfasd: where I can download 2.7.13 iso?
05:49 PM hazzy-dev: I don't know if there is one for wheezy
05:50 PM asdfasd: I see, so I should run both above with sudo?
05:50 PM hazzy-dev: There is not really any point in updating the ISO since it is so easy to update it
05:50 PM hazzy-dev: Yes
05:50 PM asdfasd: ok waiting to finish installation, really slow from usb stick
05:51 PM Grotius: is asdfasd using 32 bit system?
05:51 PM asdfasd: yes
05:51 PM asdfasd: very old machine
05:51 PM Grotius: do you want to switch to 64 bit?
05:51 PM asdfasd: the machine is 32 bit I think
05:52 PM asdfasd: single core cpu pentium 2.2ghz
05:52 PM Tom_L: i updated wheezy the normal way to 2.7.13
05:52 PM asdfasd: very old motherboard with no usb boot option
05:52 PM JT-Shop: where is the link to the debian 9 livecd?
05:52 PM Grotius: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
05:53 PM JT-Shop: thanks
05:53 PM Tom_L: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
05:53 PM hazzy-dev: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
05:53 PM hazzy-dev: lol
05:53 PM Tom_L: mine is in english
05:53 PM JT-Shop: I think there is an echo in the room lol
05:53 PM CaptHindsight: which version? :)
05:54 PM CaptHindsight: debian 9 is Sleepy or Doc?
05:54 PM Tom_L: huh?
05:54 PM Tom_L: it's stretch i thought
05:54 PM hazzy-dev: Stretch?
05:55 PM Grotius: This is stretch 64 bit, no 32 but
05:55 PM Tom_L: https://www.electrictoolbox.com/debian-release-names/
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: Lenny, Squiggy, Sid, (the other Sex Pistols), Wheezy and the Stretch
05:56 PM Tom_L: i didn't know they were named after Toy Story
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: forgot Jessie
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: and 10 is Buster
05:57 PM * hazzy-dev only knows about Toy Story from debian names
05:57 PM Grotius: What i know, is the link i send, is the best linux distribution ever. I tested several ubuntu and mint version's at the end. I found this one, i will use it for coming 10 years
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.electrictoolbox.com/debian-release-names/
05:58 PM hazzy-dev: Grotius: I agree! I use that ISO on everything, including servers!
05:59 PM Grotius: Okey after my first visit here, i will switch to kali
05:59 PM CaptHindsight: real men use Gentoo :)
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.kali.org/
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: does kali use system-d?
06:01 PM Grotius: Thanks for the information. I will study this out. It can take a time, but in the end my python text file solutions can make from a dxf a gremlin real life screen. But we have here a problem that gremlin can not make fake lines
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: imaginary lines?
06:03 PM hazzy-dev: Grotius: Being able to have part outlines in Gremlin would be amazing, native CAM really needs something like that too
06:04 PM hazzy-dev: Interesting: https://www.kali.org/news/kali-linux-in-the-windows-app-store/
06:04 PM Grotius: Yes just like tk screen. But then in gremlin
06:04 PM Tom_L: the realize how bad windows 10 is and they're just trying to say sorry
06:04 PM Grotius: Gremlin has to be expanded
06:06 PM Tom_L: hazzy-dev, i'm wondering wtf they are up to doing that
06:06 PM jthornton: systemctl start coop.service
06:06 PM jthornton: opps wrong window
06:06 PM * Tom_L opens the chicken door for jthornton
06:07 PM jthornton: lol
06:07 PM hazzy-dev: Tom_L: Pretty neat, almost tempted to give win10 another try if it can run Linux, but then I remember my oath, NEVER AGAIN
06:07 PM jthornton: making a graph of temperature and humidity and pressure in the coop
06:07 PM Tom_L: why do that when you can just install a clean copy of linux
06:08 PM hazzy-dev: Right, and not have all the windows BS
06:08 PM Tom_L: they just wanna log what you do
06:09 PM CaptHindsight: for your protection
06:10 PM hazzy-dev: I think it is true, the logging is unbelievable. You could turn most of it off (or they'd like to make you think you could) in the early versions, but it got harder and harder to do
06:10 PM CaptHindsight: somebody here removed all sorts of features and monitored the network for activity
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: was down to a trickle
06:12 PM hazzy-dev: My elderly neighbor got so frustrated with win10 this morning that I went over and installed XP for her, she was SO excited it was kinda cute
06:14 PM Grotius: Can it be military activity?
06:16 PM hazzy-dev: I'd like to think not ...
06:17 PM Grotius: If there is normally no network monitoring, CaptHindsight has tools to monitor. That is very very good !!
06:18 PM Grotius: He can find out, but vpn would be difficult to find out. I it is never done before i would like to know
06:20 PM Grotius: Facebook has Arteficial intellenge ..... maybe they sent a AI bot to look over here
06:21 PM tiwake: screw facebook
06:23 PM Grotius: We don't have to look back. We are linuxcnc building at our future. Building magnificant code, building machines of the future
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: Grotius: you have to inspect all the packets in and out on the network
06:25 PM Grotius: How do i do that?
06:25 PM CaptHindsight: Grotius: not from within windows
06:25 PM Grotius: i am in linux debian stretch my favorite version.... come up/....
06:26 PM CaptHindsight: wireshark on the router between the win10 machine and the network
06:26 PM Grotius: terminal is open
06:26 PM Grotius: ?? wireshark says me nothing.. i have no win10
06:27 PM Grotius: if you send me command how to monitor the network, i can print screen
06:27 PM CaptHindsight: Grotius: what question are you asking?
06:27 PM Grotius: for monitor network with linux
06:28 PM CaptHindsight: https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup
06:28 PM Grotius: i dont supect. i only follow
06:31 PM Grotius: CaptHindsight, i have bookmarked the page, this takes time for me to find out
06:34 PM Grotius: My girl works by military but i dont think that russian hackers want to tap the line
06:35 PM unterhausen: what distribution should I use for a new install?
06:36 PM Grotius: use 64 bit linux then draftsight is working also
06:37 PM Grotius: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
06:37 PM unterhausen: okay, thanks, web pages and wiki pages probably should just be deleted
06:38 PM unterhausen: about installing, that is
06:38 PM Grotius: its a iso file. just burn it on cd, i will pass the link
06:39 PM Grotius: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/linuxcnc-stretch-uspace-amd64-r10.iso
06:40 PM Grotius: Touch screen, draftsight, sheetcam 64 bit, everything works.
06:41 PM unterhausen: nice
06:41 PM Grotius: glade widgets are problem to solve, it will cost you 2 hours on forum to find out. but solved by links mr. morley
06:44 PM unterhausen: I hope my computer has decent latency, it has a really fast xeon
06:44 PM Grotius: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/34587-hal-widget-catalog
06:44 PM unterhausen: fast considering it cost me $35
06:46 PM Grotius: try it. if not working, buy newer pc for 100 bucs.
06:49 PM unterhausen: It's new enough, I think
06:49 PM unterhausen: do the wheezy packages work on stretch?
06:50 PM Grotius: it is a complete installation cd based on debian.
06:51 PM Grotius: So your pc will contain only this cd after installation. It is xcfe desktop environment
07:00 PM CaptHindsight: you have to inspect packets using a router or a PC acting as one in order to see everything since BIOS has 2-3 OS's running out of band
07:05 PM flyback: hey Tom_L so I saw this thing last night for $25
07:05 PM flyback: and almost got one, glad I didn't cause they dropped to $13 today so I got two
07:05 PM flyback: https://tzumimagictv.com/
07:05 PM flyback: it streams it over wifi so it's got to have some kind of atsc tuner plus some soc with wifi
07:05 PM hazzy-dev: Beautiful bright blue sky out, and we're under a flash flood watch. Back in the NM desert I can understand, but here?
07:06 PM hazzy-dev: .weather
07:06 PM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Atlanta, GA, US: Mostly Cloudy, 29°C (84°F), Humidity: 54%, Gentle breeze 4.9m/s (←)
07:06 PM hazzy-dev: LOL, mostly cloudy!
07:16 PM Grotius: @ CaptHindsight, have you seen this activity before on this forum?
08:44 PM CaptHindsight: we get all kinds in here :)
08:45 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight ever build a kernel or patch one?
08:45 PM Tom_L: trying to figure this new one out for stretch
08:46 PM Tom_L: setting up a test ssd to give it a whirl
08:53 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: more often then I care to remember
08:53 PM Tom_L: they dropped kernel-package in stretch is the problem
08:53 PM CaptHindsight: haven't worked with Debian much
08:54 PM CaptHindsight: was that the kernel packager for debian?
08:54 PM Tom_L: pcw had a script to build it but it errors out when it gets to kernel-package
08:54 PM Tom_L: i guess so yes
08:54 PM pcw_home: kernel package?
08:55 PM Tom_L: yes
08:55 PM Tom_L: i found an old one but i'm not sure how to add it into the script
08:55 PM pcw_home: there is no package involved
08:55 PM pcw_home: its all from source
08:56 PM Tom_L: so what does kernel-package do then?
08:56 PM pcw_home: not my script
08:56 PM Tom_L: i think you posted it a day or so ago
08:57 PM Tom_L: i'll paste it
08:58 PM Tom_itx: http://paste.debian.net/1026504/
09:00 PM Tom_L: it says make deb-pkg replaced it
09:00 PM pcw_home: I would just delete it
09:00 PM Tom_L: hazzy-dev said that didn't work
09:00 PM pcw_home: unless you want to make a deb
09:01 PM Tom_L: i'm in the middle of a dark cave here without a flashlight...
09:01 PM pcw_home: what OS? (this has worked on Ubuntu 12.04, 14.04, 16.04, Mint 17, Mint 18, Debian wheezy
09:01 PM Tom_L: stretch
09:01 PM pcw_home: not sure if I tried stretch
09:02 PM pcw_home: but I think ubuntu 16.04 should be similar
09:02 PM Tom_itx: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg00774.html
09:03 PM pcw_home: what happens if you just dont fetch it?
09:04 PM Tom_L: gonna find out as soon as this test ssd is done installing
09:04 PM pcw_home: (delete it from the script)
09:04 PM Tom_itx: http://jensd.be/818/linux/install-a-newer-kernel-in-debian-9-stretch-stable
09:04 PM Tom_itx: just found that
09:04 PM pcw_home: Pretty sure thats just for making kernel debs
09:08 PM Tom_L: i just wanted to try 4.16.8 rt preempt but not sure how to patch it in
09:08 PM Tom_L: or add it
09:10 PM pcw_home: Linux pcw-G41M-Combo 4.16.8-rt3 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Tue May 22 17:50:06 PDT 2018 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
09:10 PM pcw_home: from that script...
09:10 PM Tom_L: on stretch?
09:10 PM pcw_home: on Ubuntu 16.04 32 bit in this case
09:10 PM Tom_L: ok
09:17 PM pcw_home: I'd be curious to see what errors you have if you just leave kernel-package out
09:18 PM Tom_L: gimme a few and i'll try it
09:21 PM hazzy-dev: pcw: This is what I get running your script on Stretch with kernal-pakage: http://dpaste.com/1E1YS00
09:23 PM pcw_home: looks like something was busted by pastebin? maybe
09:25 PM hazzy-dev: could be
09:25 PM hazzy-dev: bbl
09:25 PM pcw_home: no excuse not downloading the kernel
09:27 PM Tom_shop: i'm running the script line by line
09:28 PM Tom_shop: without kernel-package
09:29 PM pcw_home: https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/linux-4.16.8.tar.xz is certainly valid
09:29 PM pcw_home: looks like the line endings were borked
09:31 PM Tom_shop: root@Stretch:~/rtlinux/linux-4.16.8# make xconfig
09:31 PM Tom_shop: HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep
09:31 PM Tom_shop: CHECK qt
09:31 PM Tom_shop: YACC scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.c
09:31 PM Tom_shop: scripts/Makefile.lib:217: recipe for target 'scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.c' failed
09:31 PM Tom_shop: make: *** [scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.c] Error 127
09:31 PM Tom_shop: Makefile:514: recipe for target 'xconfig' failed
09:31 PM Tom_shop: make: *** [xconfig] Error 2
09:32 PM Tom_L: i didn't have any trouble downloading them
09:32 PM pcw_home: sudo apt-get install bison
09:32 PM pcw_home: need to add that to the script (new dependency with 4.16)
09:33 PM Tom_shop: before the make xconfig line?
09:33 PM pcw_home: also flex
09:33 PM Tom_shop: both?
09:33 PM pcw_home: sudo apt-get install flex
09:33 PM pcw_home: yes both: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/compile-of-kernel-4-16-fails-4175628085/
09:34 PM pcw_home: its easy to fix the problem and forget to add to the script
09:34 PM Tom_shop: adding as i go
09:34 PM Tom_shop: now running make xconfig
09:35 PM Tom_shop: ok a big screen just popped up
09:35 PM Tom_shop: what changes should i make?
09:35 PM pcw_home: there are 3 main things you need to set in xconfig
09:36 PM pcw_home: enable hpet, set 64 bit if your OS is 64 bit and set for fully preemptable kernel
09:38 PM Tom_shop: hpet was enabled
09:38 PM Tom_shop: 64-bit kernel is checked
09:39 PM Tom_shop: is that it?
09:39 PM Tom_shop: i set the fully preemptable kernel
09:40 PM pcw_home: The only thing I'm not sure of is what other config options you will get starting from scratch
09:41 PM asdfasd: just updated to latest version, but the keyboard jogging went bad, short presses on arrows result in shorter or longer movements
09:41 PM pcw_home: (also you want a very fast machine)
09:41 PM Tom_shop: j1900 i think
09:41 PM pcw_home: sssssssssllllllllllooooooooowwwwwwwwww
09:42 PM Tom_shop: i got a gigabyte in the closet just waiting...
09:42 PM Tom_shop: ssd mounted to it
09:42 PM pcw_home: well expect to wait an hour or so if it makes generic kernel
09:43 PM Tom_shop: you've got make -j4 in the script, does that happen after this?
09:43 PM pcw_home: yep
09:43 PM pcw_home: j4 should be ok for the J1900
09:43 PM Tom_shop: i'll go with this unless you can think of something else
09:43 PM pcw_home: worth a try
09:44 PM Tom_shop: just save it and close the window?
09:44 PM pcw_home: yeah
09:45 PM Tom_shop: root@Stretch:~/rtlinux/linux-4.16.8# make -j4
09:45 PM Tom_shop: HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/conf.o
09:45 PM Tom_shop: HOSTLD scripts/kconfig/conf
09:45 PM Tom_shop: scripts/kconfig/conf --silentoldconfig Kconfig
09:45 PM Tom_shop: Makefile:974: *** "Cannot generate ORC metadata for CONFIG_UNWINDER_ORC=y, please install libelf-dev, libelf-devel or elfutils-libelf-devel". Stop.
09:46 PM Tom_shop: which lib?
09:46 PM pcw_home: Dont recall that, just try one at a time
09:47 PM Tom_shop: first one almost worked
09:48 PM Tom_shop: Kbuild:42: recipe for target 'include/generated/timeconst.h' failed
09:48 PM Tom_shop: make: *** [include/generated/timeconst.h] Error 127
09:48 PM Tom_shop: make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
09:48 PM Tom_shop: Makefile:1105: recipe for target 'prepare0' failed
09:48 PM Tom_shop: make: *** [prepare0] Error 2
09:48 PM Tom_shop: make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
09:50 PM Tom_shop: the other 2 libs weren't found
09:50 PM Tom_shop: so that must be the one for debian
09:50 PM pcw_home: whats the line above Kbuild:42 etc
09:52 PM Tom_shop: http://paste.debian.net/1026506/
09:52 PM pcw_home: " /bin/sh: 1: bc: not found "
09:53 PM pcw_home: ( need to add bc )
09:53 PM Tom_shop: it's a package?
09:54 PM Tom_shop: hah how about that..
09:56 PM Tom_shop: http://paste.debian.net/1026508/
09:58 PM pcw_home: sudo apt-get install libssl-dev
10:00 PM unterhausen: that's a lot of weird dependencies to build a kernel
10:00 PM pcw_home: yeah they added a bunch for 4.16
10:01 PM Tom_shop: still running so far
10:01 PM pcw_home: so AFAICS the ones I was missing were libssl-dev bc libelf-dev flex
10:01 PM Tom_shop: i'm keeping track
10:01 PM Tom_shop: bison
10:02 PM pcw_home: Ahh yes
10:02 PM pcw_home: bison and flex are the new ones for 4.16
10:03 PM Tom_shop: what's the comment character in a script file?
10:03 PM pcw_home: pigpen?
10:03 PM pcw_home: #
10:05 PM Tom_shop: good i'm not running this on the d525
10:06 PM Tom_shop: have you tested any gigabyte boads?
10:06 PM Tom_shop: i've got a B250M-DS3H
10:06 PM Tom_shop: don't remember if it's got an i5 or i7 on it
10:07 PM pcw_home: Nothing that new
10:07 PM pcw_home: better compile machine for sure...
10:07 PM Tom_shop: maybe this would be a good candidae for it
10:09 PM Tom_shop: is the -j4 the number of cores?
10:10 PM pcw_home: the number of make threads spawned or something like that
10:11 PM Tom_shop: so that could be higher on that newer board..
10:11 PM pcw_home: left out its a single thread too high and you run out of CPU/DISK/MEM
10:12 PM pcw_home: so it depends on how much cpu/disk/mem you got, too low or too high get slower
10:13 PM Tom_L: that one iirc 16G mem, 1T ssd
10:13 PM pcw_home: may go even higher then
10:14 PM pcw_home: I got nothing that beefy
10:14 PM Tom_shop: shame it's still in the box
10:15 PM pcw_home: yeah speed is good for kernels since you may well need to do it over...
10:15 PM Tom_shop: how do you make an install package then?
10:15 PM Tom_shop: like for an iso
10:16 PM Tom_shop: my cad pc is a gigabyte H110M-S2H-GSM
10:16 PM Tom_shop: the one in the box was gonna replace it but i didn't notice that much difference
10:16 PM pcw_home: The mint 18 thread in the forum has that info
10:17 PM pcw_home: (info about making a kernel deb)
10:17 PM Tom_shop: so i could build it on that then install it here
10:17 PM pcw_home: yeah or just swap the drive around
10:18 PM Tom_shop: M2 don't swap that easy
10:18 PM pcw_home: well swap SATA from j1900
10:18 PM Tom_shop: yeah
10:19 PM pcw_home: easy enough to try, 1TB is a bit silly for LinuxCNC
10:21 PM unterhausen: I felt silly getting 512 ssd for my lcnc box, but it was just $100
10:22 PM Tom_shop: that was gonna be a cad station
10:24 PM * hazzy-dev is back
10:25 PM Tom_shop: hazzy-dev, building...
10:25 PM hazzy-dev: A big tree fell across out street and took the power lined down :(
10:25 PM hazzy-dev: our
10:25 PM hazzy-dev: Hurray!
10:25 PM Tom_shop: why did it fall?
10:25 PM Tom_shop: if it works, i'll post the script somewhere
10:26 PM Tom_shop: thanks to pcw_mesa
10:26 PM hazzy-dev: A little gust of wind, but it had been raining very hard to was heavy i guess
10:26 PM roycroft: maybe it was drunk
10:26 PM hazzy-dev: The fire men seem drunk ...
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-dev: are you on a phone or backup generator?
10:27 PM russtuff: Hey all. I'm trying to get my modbus working with my new 5i25+7i76 setup. I had it working on my old parallel port installation but right now the + and - pins below the spindle buttons in axis do nothing. Do these buttons tie to specific HAL pins?
10:27 PM hazzy-dev: They think the power lines are live, when they are laying in 2in of water, lol
10:27 PM hazzy-dev: We still have power, the line is down right past our house
10:36 PM Tom_shop: i just thought.. this ssd is only 32G, hope that's enough for this
10:37 PM pcw_home: should be I think I have a 32G SSD on one LinuxCNC test machine, fine if you dont add to much junk
10:38 PM pcw_home: (and clean up after kernel building etc)
10:38 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-dev: I forget are you supposed to wear insulated gloves or boots when working with overhead lines?
10:39 PM CaptHindsight: or is that only when suspended from a helicopter?
10:40 PM hazzy-dev: yes, gloves/gauntlets seem to be what the line crews use
10:40 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/GxDKVAYJ_t4?t=3m1s
10:40 PM hazzy-dev: They also work from insulated platforms or a cherry picker
10:44 PM hazzy-dev: I can't imagine doing that, not because of the live lines, but helicopters and wires don't mix!
10:44 PM hazzy-dev: if birds don't get hurt landing on a power line and a helicopter is no different!
10:44 PM CaptHindsight: well they certainly don't talk about it if they do
10:45 PM CaptHindsight: are birds made from electrical insulation?
10:46 PM hazzy-dev: Nope, but air is a decent, not great, insulator!
10:52 PM hazzy-dev: My uncle is a paramedic in FL, and he had one unfortunate call were they were working on live transmission lines and the guy in the cherry picker bucket needed some electric tool, so they plugged it into the on truck generator and passed it up. They did not realize that the extension cord would un-isolate the bucket from the truck and one of the ground crew got near the truck and was toasted
10:52 PM hazzy-dev: There is a reason they are only aloud to use pnumatic tools!
11:53 PM fragalot: hi