#linuxcnc Logs

May 20 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:27 AM linuxcnc: any ideas on why my woreless is not working on this new debian wheezy preempt install?
12:31 AM linuxcnc: https://pastebin.com/SKfSghNE
12:31 AM lcvette: sorry that was me
12:33 AM gloops: youre having some fun with this lcvette
12:34 AM lcvette: im just going from one can of worms to another
12:34 AM lcvette: i miss windows
12:34 AM lcvette: why can't it be like windows
12:34 AM gloops: lol
12:34 AM lcvette: but with the good stuff of linux?
12:34 AM lcvette: i don't understand
12:35 AM gloops: i havent got the time nor the patience to faff about with that, one reason i stuck with parport
12:35 AM gloops: lcvette same as anything, it only does what you tell it to do
12:36 AM lcvette: i didn't have to tell the other one for my touch screen to work or my wifi to recognize signals
12:36 AM lcvette: it just did
12:36 AM lcvette: this one does not
12:36 AM gloops: yes but you didnt learn anything
12:36 AM gloops: youre getting there, youll be an expert soon
12:37 AM lcvette: at something i don't need nor want to learn
12:37 AM lcvette: lol
12:37 AM gloops: now youre talking yourself out of this! stick with it
12:37 AM lcvette: its like deciding to become a surgeoun to perform your own surgery
12:39 AM gloops: well, ive seen some have a hard time setting these cards up, but you seem to have been on with this longer than most
12:39 AM lcvette: im patient but im now beginning to get defeated
12:40 AM gloops: no i dont think so, youve come this far
12:40 AM lcvette: what far
12:40 AM gloops: i felt like that loads of times
12:40 AM lcvette: im still stuck at the ponit at which i started
12:40 AM lcvette: no closer
12:41 AM gloops: i thought youd got stretch running now?
12:41 AM lcvette: achieved no goals
12:41 AM lcvette: only a basic config
12:41 AM lcvette: had to ditch stretch because it isn't compatible with gmoccapy
12:41 AM lcvette: now im in wheezy
12:41 AM lcvette: but wheezy is now gonna fight me with some other compatibility issues it seems
12:42 AM gloops: well you have progressed
12:42 AM gloops: you learnt that you dont need stretch, its hard i know
12:43 AM lcvette: i tihnk i may be going about this all wrong
12:43 AM lcvette: i think i may should try and get help eliminating gmoccapy from my configs
12:43 AM lcvette: and go back to stretch
12:43 AM lcvette: its newer and everything worked
12:43 AM lcvette: this os has some major issues with my system
12:44 AM gloops: i had a simple ground fault that nearly drove me round the bend, every session i had i messed about with stuff and made NO progress, 2 months of spare time, everything else went to pot, crap built up in the garage, other jobs got left, it was doing my head in
12:44 AM lcvette: including a bad hang on shut down i have not seen a resolution to yet
12:44 AM gloops: what you need here is some positive vibes
12:44 AM lcvette: lol
12:45 AM gloops: it might feel like the system is against you, every time you try it slaps you in the face
12:45 AM gloops: but its just a system, these things are happening because you arent doing something right
12:46 AM lcvette: no i followed the instrucdtions to a tee
12:46 AM lcvette: something is wrong
12:46 AM lcvette: and i will not be able to resolve it on my own and it will take days of time
12:46 AM lcvette: and im running out of that
12:47 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
12:47 AM lcvette: morning
12:47 AM gloops: Ichs get this card working for lcvette, hes losing hope
12:48 AM IchGucksLive: gmoccapy shoudent be effecting things
12:49 AM IchGucksLive: the main is HAL related configs
12:49 AM lcvette: shouldn't be but it is i found several articale saying it isn't fully supoorted in stretch yet
12:49 AM IchGucksLive: first and essential is to get the mashine going
12:49 AM IchGucksLive: lv got it that way
12:50 AM IchGucksLive: yes ofcause stretch is a bit complicated
12:50 AM lcvette: im in wheezy now
12:51 AM lcvette: wheezy preempt rt
12:51 AM IchGucksLive: better as we all/most got a system onside
12:51 AM lcvette: but my wifi isn't being recognized nor my touchscreen
12:51 AM IchGucksLive: as i got 3 of them around to touch
12:51 AM lcvette: and it hangs on shut down
12:52 AM lcvette: so lots of problems with it
12:52 AM IchGucksLive: shutdown the pc or the gmoccapy
12:52 AM lcvette: pc
12:53 AM IchGucksLive: i personly use almost basics you are mutch further ahead of me
12:53 AM IchGucksLive: non system here got a wifi
12:53 AM IchGucksLive: then a touch screen
12:54 AM IchGucksLive: i use pc's from very early days
12:54 AM lcvette: let me ask you a question
12:55 AM lcvette: the files i sent to you
12:55 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 Garden sorry getting rain this morning
12:55 AM lcvette: ok
01:04 AM gloops: so, we arent just trying to get a machine working, we're trying to run 3 touch screens on wireless
01:07 AM gloops: up late today fragalot
01:09 AM fragalot: at my pc late* :-)
01:13 AM russtuff: up at all hours aren't we
01:13 AM gloops: well, just pondering lcvettes struggle, and looking again at some pine i cut yesterday
01:14 AM russtuff: get the wifi working at least?
01:14 AM gloops: my machine is excellent, even if i say so myself, cutting perfect
01:14 AM fragalot: my pi-hole died again >.<
01:14 AM fragalot: time to replace the SD card rather than only reinstalling I guess
01:15 AM gloops: £0.50 cutter, perfect crisp cuts deep in pine straight from the shop - the reason for this i think is the weight and stiffness of the gantry, there is no vibration, no chatter nothing
01:15 AM fragalot: rigidity is everything.
01:16 AM gloops: it was worth the trouble to build with steel
01:17 AM gloops: i daresay if this machine had been a WW2 tank it would have swung the balance in Germanys favour
01:18 AM fragalot: but you're british
01:18 AM fragalot: so since you built it, it's a british tank
01:18 AM fragalot: yet germany would have won because of it?
01:18 AM fragalot: that doesn't sound good :P
01:19 AM gloops: yes, if i had been german, i took inspiration for the design from ww2 tanks
01:20 AM gloops: the germans were into tanks at the time, although the brits probably built the best tank of the war, towards the end
01:20 AM gloops: and thereafter
01:20 AM fragalot: have you gotten around to taking pictures of the mill yet?
01:21 AM gloops: having problems with mint finding pics on my phone
01:21 AM fragalot: upload directly from your phone?
01:21 AM gloops: maybe..ill have a look at it
01:24 AM gloops: later today
02:04 AM dubwenga is now known as deanforbes_
02:42 AM Deejay: moin
03:15 AM gloops: something tells me this rubber hose isnt going any more than 3 inch onto the 14 inch shaft
03:15 AM gloops: and the 3 inch thats on isnt coming off
03:16 AM fragalot: can you force compressed air into the open end?
03:16 AM fragalot: making the hose expand slightly and hopefully slide on on a cushion of air
03:16 AM gloops: the shaft is like splined
03:16 AM fragalot: or launc off :P
03:17 AM fragalot: alright, you're on your own then :P
03:17 AM gloops: so air would just pass through
03:17 AM gloops: ill have to cut it off and take a skim off the shaft
03:17 AM gloops: pity, would have been solid if i could have got it on with just heat
03:18 AM gloops: if i reduce shaft diameter its going to be loose, and rubber doesnt stick to metal well
03:18 AM gloops: not with glue anyway
03:19 AM gloops: maybe try more heat first, it just compresses after a while rather than move along
03:40 AM Wolfmetalfab is now known as Wolf__
04:08 AM SpeedEvil: gloops: heat to 120C
04:09 AM XXCoder: new clickspring!
04:09 AM XXCoder: its 25 min too
04:12 AM gloops: Speedevil wont be able to handle it at that temp
04:12 AM SpeedEvil: Gloves exist
04:12 AM SpeedEvil: Or even towels
04:13 AM SpeedEvil: Though 120F would also free it up lots likely
04:14 AM gloops: what happens when its warmed up, you can get so much on the shaft then it just buckles before the shaft
04:14 AM gloops: just set the roller up to skim it
04:15 AM SpeedEvil: Or you can pull it off, add talcum powder, heat it to 120C, slit the very end, grab the flap with some pliers, and drag it on
04:16 AM fragalot: the trick is indeed to push so it bulges a bit, and pull on the other end
04:16 AM fragalot: if you only pull, the diameter decreases and it gets tighter
04:16 AM fragalot: if you only push.. well you can only push a rope so far
04:17 AM gloops: i think it needs a touch off the shaft
04:18 AM fragalot: did you try welding up your top slide yet?
04:18 AM gloops: no, not got round to that either
04:19 AM gloops: tool is still holding, looking at it, even if it were in 2 pieces it would still stick to the lower plate, the bolt clamps it flat down, doesnt really want to seperate much
04:20 AM gloops: ill see if i get time to weld later
04:21 AM gloops: ive had a kind of low productivity period, hopefully things will kick in again soon, too busy with other stuff atm
04:23 AM SpeedEvil: gloops: Also, wind string on end of shaft, or slightly subdiameter shaft applied to it,and pull off the other end
04:23 AM SpeedEvil: dragging pipe along
04:23 AM gloops: like with a windscreen seal?
04:26 AM SpeedEvil: don't know how that works
04:26 AM gloops: probably not what you mean
04:26 AM fragalot: SpeedEvil: that's a method used to install older non-bonded windscreens
04:26 AM SpeedEvil: Like the trick to get a ring off with thread
04:27 AM fragalot: it sounds easy but it's a nightmare to do IRL :P
04:27 AM SpeedEvil: yes, I'd just heat to 130C and drag on with pliers after some talcum
04:27 AM gloops: if you fit a windscreen, you can fit the seal rubber, put a string in the rubber all way round, now you knock the glass into place, it will fold the outer edge of the rubber behind it, now you pull out the string, as it comes it, it pulls the trapped seal back out with it
04:28 AM fragalot: not mentioned is breaking the string twice
04:29 AM SpeedEvil: A hose will get a couple of percent or so wider at 120C at least
04:29 AM gloops: polypropylene string and plenty of washing up liquid
04:29 AM gloops: the hose internal is 1mm smaller than the shaft - 25mm
04:29 AM gloops: doesnt sound a lot, but it is a mile
04:30 AM gloops: if i take .5mm off..
04:30 AM gloops: then ill smear the shaft with epoxy
04:30 AM gloops: as the rubber glides on
04:31 AM SpeedEvil: Compressed air makes this _so_ much easier
04:31 AM gloops: not with this shaft, its toothed
04:31 AM syyl: compressed air makes everything easier! :D
04:31 AM SpeedEvil: More air!
04:32 AM gloops: its handed so the teeth bite the rubber in the drive direction
04:33 AM gloops: and this is only the following roller, the first drive roller is done
04:35 AM XXCoder: dang
04:35 AM XXCoder: video was so good
04:35 AM syyl: and now you want more!
04:35 AM fragalot: indeed
04:36 AM fragalot: but you can throw money at him to get videos faster
04:36 AM XXCoder: syyl: been watching clickspring since he was halfway though his clock one
04:36 AM XXCoder: hes on the 3,000 year old mechinism to predict
04:36 AM syyl: his patreon is very worthwile
04:36 AM fragalot: XXCoder: probably been pointed to him by the same person that's pointed us to syyl then?
04:38 AM MarcelineVQ: took vid of my little lathe thingy, uploading from phone, I'll see about figuring out how to share them tomorrow
04:39 AM MarcelineVQ: not meaning to tangent there, I'll just forget to say it later
04:39 AM XXCoder: I want to do patreons evenually bit budget is too unsatbel
04:40 AM XXCoder: unstable, see so unstable, even spelling changes
05:44 AM gloops: damn, to the last 4 inch and it gets stuck
06:13 AM phipli: morning
06:13 AM phipli: .weather
06:13 AM phipli: heh
06:15 AM phipli: forgot to turn it back on after a power cut
06:15 AM XXCoder: nice and cool 60k, little wind 2 kms north-west
06:15 AM phipli: ta XXCoder
06:15 AM phipli: :)
06:15 AM phipli: .weather
06:15 AM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Derby, England, GB: Mostly Cloudy, 18°C (64°F), Humidity: 64%, Light breeze 3.1m/s (↖)
06:16 AM XXCoder: 60k, 64f close enough! lol
06:16 AM XXCoder: kinda off on wind though
06:16 AM phipli: just cut the grass, one of my least favourite things
06:17 AM XXCoder: lol had to mow today also
06:17 AM phipli: what with having hayfever, it is more like biological warfare and I lose every time
06:17 AM XXCoder: im allegric to grass
06:17 AM XXCoder: and grass juice is extra fun
06:17 AM phipli: the grass, rather than the pollen?
06:17 AM phipli: interesting
06:18 AM XXCoder: it gets itchy
06:18 AM XXCoder: thankfully its not deadly type.
06:18 AM phipli: relaxing now. in the garden with the chickens free roaming
06:18 AM phipli: playing with an AVR dev board that arrived this week
06:18 AM XXCoder: honestly even if grass heals me, I hate grass anyway
06:19 AM phipli: because, obviously, that is what you do in the garden on a sunny day
06:19 AM XXCoder: I'd have wiped em out if it was up to me compleyely
06:19 AM phipli: My dad is good at that - carefully cultivates moss
06:19 AM phipli: because it needs cutting less often
06:29 AM jthornton: morning
06:31 AM XXCoder: know what needs it even less? concerete.
06:31 AM XXCoder: ;)
06:31 AM XXCoder: just paint it green for people who complain
06:34 AM phipli: morning jthornton
06:35 AM phipli: electric strimmers are useless
06:35 AM phipli: they're so safe, that they don't work
06:36 AM phipli: the guard catches loads of grass and almost instantly blocks up and interferes with the chord
06:37 AM jthornton: electric string trimmer?
06:37 AM XXCoder: bad obession video up also lol
06:37 AM XXCoder: new video each other 50 years
06:40 AM phipli: jthornton, grass strimmer
06:41 AM phipli: heh
06:41 AM phipli: chicken just jumped on my knee because I was eating
06:43 AM jthornton: lol I had to do a google search for strimmer to see what that was
06:43 AM jthornton: https://www.dewalt.com/products/power-tools/outdoor-power-equipment/20v-max-lithium-ion-xr-brushless-13-string-trimmer-50ah/dcst920p1
06:43 AM jthornton: I use that one
06:47 AM jthornton: phipli: got the BME280 working on the RPi
06:47 AM phipli: excellent
06:47 AM phipli: what is the plan with it?
06:48 AM jthornton: for right now I'm just displaying the coop temperature and humidity on a simple web page
06:48 AM phipli: I grew up using petrol ones
06:48 AM phipli: yeah, the guard on yours is sensible
06:48 AM phipli: the one I was using today was almost all guard
06:48 AM phipli: didn't know you didn't call them strimmers :)
06:50 AM MarcelineVQ: weed eaters, whipper snippers, grass trimmers, there's plenty of names for em :>
06:50 AM phipli: jthornton, have you played with the flask library for python?
06:51 AM jthornton: no what is that?
06:51 AM phipli: lets you generate dynamic webpages based on templates
06:51 AM phipli: not sure if this tutorial is any good, but : https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/python-web-server-with-flask
06:54 AM jthornton: I see that tutorial uses python 3... I wonder if flask works on python 2
06:55 AM XXCoder: chickcoop.accessHiddenFlask(true)
06:55 AM jthornton: I'd like to turn on a fan if the coop gets too hot at night
07:03 AM XXCoder: by time they are done, austin mini gt-four is still techinically same. there may be 5% of orginial material left.
07:04 AM jthornton: phipli: this is what I'm doing now to display the web page https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XzKTtFZr8M/
07:13 AM phipli: flask works with python 2 yeah
07:14 AM XXCoder: bad obesson video watched. now to wait for another year or 50.
07:14 AM phipli: jthornton, yeah, the fan thing works quite well
07:14 AM phipli: a 120mm computer fan reduces my conservatory temperature by about 10 degrees
07:17 AM jthornton: hmm a computer fan, I think I have a few big ones that run quiet
07:17 AM phipli: jthornton, I'm using one of these : https://www.amazon.co.uk/SODIAL-Active-Channel-Module-Arduino-Blue/dp/B019GTTS3K/
07:17 AM phipli: but 3.3v isn't quite enough to drive it
07:17 AM phipli: so I'm using a pull up resistor and a mosfet
07:17 AM phipli: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ILS-pieces-N-Channel-Transistor-92/dp/B07912881G/
07:17 AM phipli: one of them (because they're cheap and handy)
07:18 AM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M0E6SQM/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
07:18 AM jthornton: I use those for my door and lights
07:18 AM jthornton: I have some 5v ones also
07:19 AM phipli: nice that they have terminals on both sides
07:19 AM jthornton: yea, the only problem is finding 1.5mm stand offs
07:19 AM phipli: I have a 240vac 120mm fan that I keep meaning to test sometime
07:19 AM phipli: worried it will pull the curtain into itself...
07:24 AM jthornton: one of my pullets has started to pull out the feed all over the floor...
07:33 AM jthornton: phipli: I don't see the point for using flask for web pages that are on the LAN? I just write the page to /var/www/html/somepage.html then load
07:35 AM phipli: it lets you use templates
07:35 AM phipli: so you make a nice pretty webpage
07:36 AM phipli: and then substitute values when you serve it up
07:36 AM phipli: means you can keep all the styling without having to generate the whole thing in text every time
07:36 AM * jthornton reads again
07:47 AM * jthornton wonders if there is anything he can do with the pressure info from the BME280
07:49 AM phipli: barometer - predict the weater
07:49 AM phipli: *weather
07:50 AM SpeedEvil: If pressure = 0.01 bars, you're on mars, if 80 bars, and molten, you're on venus
07:51 AM jthornton: I wonder what pressure unit the BME280 spits out?
07:51 AM jthornton: pressure=980.91 hPa
07:51 AM * jthornton goes to look up hPa
07:52 AM jthornton: top hit Hawaii Preparatory Academy: HOME
07:52 AM SpeedEvil: hecto (100*) pascals
07:52 AM SpeedEvil: About 1014hPa is nominal sea level
07:54 AM jdh: jthornton: I'm driving through .mo.us next week. anything I should stop and see?
07:54 AM jthornton: I guess one needs to graph the pressure to see what's happing
07:54 AM jthornton: what part of MO?
07:56 AM phipli: jthornton, log it to a text file, when it reaches a certain length, use tail to fetch the last, how-ever-many lines and overwrite the file
07:56 AM jdh: dunno. either south or through st louis (to kansas)
07:56 AM phipli: keep doing that and you can maintain x number of samples in a file
07:57 AM phipli: if you want to plot them as a graph, you could use the stuff I was doing to generate an svg file
07:57 AM jthornton: cool
07:59 AM jthornton: jdh: I'm in south east MO so I don't go up to middle Missouri much. Hermann MO is an interesting place west of St. Louis
07:59 AM phipli: I reset my fan controller because I wanted to charge my phone from its power supply, but if you wait a few hours and then look at this : view-source:http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/temperature/graph.svg
08:00 AM phipli: the "green" bit is the temperature plot, but it isn't showing any datapoints atm
08:00 AM jthornton: I just see red
08:00 AM phipli: yeah - no datapoints
08:01 AM phipli: if you look in the source (I tried to link straight to the source)
08:01 AM phipli: there is nothing between the start and the end of the green bit
08:15 AM jthornton: I guess matplotlib is the way to plot a line?
08:15 AM phipli: that would work too
08:16 AM phipli: easier regarding setting up the axes etc.
08:16 AM jthornton: what are you using to plot the graph?
08:16 AM phipli: The recent thing I was doing was on a mcu
08:16 AM phipli: so I was doing it by hand
08:16 AM phipli: just writing the svg file
08:17 AM jthornton: https://www.w3schools.com/graphics/svg_intro.asp
08:17 AM jthornton: something like that?
08:18 AM phipli: yeah
08:18 AM jthornton: https://www.w3schools.com/graphics/svg_polyline.asp
08:18 AM jthornton: ah yea I'll do that
08:18 AM phipli: for loops stepping through each element of an array drawing a line from Xn, Yn to Xn+1 Yn+1
08:19 AM jthornton: I'll mess with that tomorrow, time to get dressed and clean chicken poop
08:19 AM phipli: obviously you don't need to store X if you have a constant time period
08:20 AM phipli: I'll send you the bit of code for that, wrong language, but useful starting point
08:20 AM jthornton: my pressure is 1003.700304 hPa how many digits after the decimal point is really needed?
08:20 AM jthornton: ok thanks
08:25 AM phipli: none
08:25 AM phipli: you'd be ok with 1003
08:25 AM phipli: *1004
08:25 AM phipli: :)
08:28 AM Tom_L: damp cool morning out this morning
08:29 AM Tom_L: rain and 59F
08:30 AM gloops: warm here an next 2 week the same
08:31 AM gloops: im off the week after and should be steady after that, ill get some vids of this router, it works very well
08:40 AM SpeedEvil: jthornton: mostof that precisionis also bogus
08:41 AM SpeedEvil: 10Pa/m altitude also near the ground
08:47 AM phipli: .temp 59 F
08:47 AM theCockerel: phipli: 15.00°C = 59.00°F = 288.15K
08:47 AM enleth: jthornton: in case you look for mathplotlib alternatives, here's my favorite one: http://asymptote.sourceforge.net/ http://asymptote.sourceforge.net/gallery/2D%20graphs/
08:47 AM enleth: I'd call it the LaTeX of graphs and plots, the stuff it generates doesn't look like shit out of the box which isn't something you can say of most plot utilities/libraries
08:48 AM enleth: phipli: ^
08:48 AM enleth: (incidentally, it does use LaTeX for internal typesetting of labels, etc.)
08:49 AM fragalot: hi
08:49 AM SpeedEvil: https://youtu.be/dvv3ep2nIz0?t=413 Bigclive does clickspring.
08:51 AM fragalot: looks nasty,.. more akin to AvE.
08:51 AM fragalot: :P
08:51 AM fragalot: TIL that sometimes it's cheaper to buy a new ballscrew than to turn down an existing one
08:52 AM fragalot: broke so many inserts >.<
08:52 AM fragalot: (as in, 2)
08:53 AM phipli: jthornton, regarding the chicken throwing the food around - put dividers in the trough so she can't drag her head along far without hitting one
10:38 AM T510 is now known as Pezi
10:39 AM Pezi is now known as pezi
10:53 AM mtpocketscnc1: Hi. how is everyone today?
11:08 AM jthornton: Lcvette: did you get straitened out?
11:09 AM * jthornton is hot and sweaty
11:09 AM jthornton: phipli: http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens/feeder/feeder-11.jpg
11:13 AM Lcvette: Jthornton: I got it loaded but have some issues, no WiFi, touch screen not working anymore, hangs during PC shut down ... Not sure I'm gonna be any better off going this direction..lol. Just may be a new stream of issues.
11:13 AM mtpocketscnc1: My brother keeps chickens. I've been trying to talk him and his wife into an arduino or raspberry powered auto feeder.
11:14 AM Lcvette: It seems I need a little bit of each of the systems to have a whole working system
11:14 AM Lcvette: That would be a sweet setup to have a sure feeder!
11:14 AM Lcvette: Auto *
11:15 AM mtpocketscnc1: Lcvette, you're talking of linux systems?
11:16 AM Lcvette: Yes
11:17 AM Lcvette: Linuxcnc stretch preempt RT and linuxcnc wheezy preempt RT
11:17 AM Lcvette: Stretch everything works great except gmoccapy
11:18 AM Lcvette: Wheezy gmoccapy works but not my wifi, touch screen and has my system hang on shut down
11:18 AM Lcvette: Lol
11:22 AM hazzy-dev: Lcvette: What does not work about Gmoccapy on stretch?
11:23 AM Tom_L: some python sound file i think is missing
11:23 AM Tom_L: at least for one
11:23 AM hazzy-dev: That should have been fixed, but maybe not in 2.7?
11:24 AM Tom_L: jepler mentioned something about it in a post but i don' have the link
11:25 AM Lcvette: Not 100% sure
11:25 AM Lcvette: Just know it seems to be an issue no one wants to deal with
11:26 AM Lcvette: Or days isn't there
11:27 AM Lcvette: https://pastebin.com/RDCKUyE7
11:27 AM Lcvette: That was my debug report
11:27 AM Lcvette: After replacing the player.py fix file
11:28 AM hazzy-dev: Interesting
11:30 AM hazzy-dev: I have just tested gmoccapy sim configs with 2.7.12 and 2.8~pre and they both run fine on stretch
11:31 AM Tom_L: i don't have a touch screen or sound but mine works in wheezy also
11:31 AM Tom_L: 2.7.12 and 2.7.13
11:32 AM Lcvette: I had 2.7.11
11:32 AM Lcvette: ?
11:33 AM Tom_L: shouldn't matter much
11:33 AM Tom_L: i don't think gmocappy has changed much
11:33 AM hazzy-dev: Lcvette: You have probe screen embedded?
11:33 AM Lcvette: Would a later version have had fixed?
11:33 AM Lcvette: Yes
11:33 AM hazzy-dev: I bet probe screen it the problem!
11:33 AM Lcvette: Probe embedded
11:34 AM hazzy-dev: Try disabling and and see if it works
11:34 AM Lcvette: I'm in wheezy currently
11:34 AM hazzy-dev: Ok
11:34 AM Roguish: hazzy-dev: can you embed probe screen in your GUI ?
11:34 AM Tom_L: you have your stretch ssd still though right?
11:34 AM Lcvette: No
11:35 AM Lcvette: I didn't want to miss my opportunity so I just overwrite it
11:35 AM Lcvette: :/
11:35 AM hazzy-dev: Probe screen it a mess, I spent a good bit of time trying to clean it up, but decided it would be faster to start over
11:36 AM Lcvette: Is still installed on the other SSD but for a different computer
11:36 AM Tom_L: probably won't matter
11:36 AM Tom_L: try it
11:37 AM hazzy-dev: Roguish: No, probe screen uses GTK2 instead of GTK3. It is possible, but not worth the effort
11:39 AM Lcvette: Think it's an ide
11:39 AM Lcvette: ?
11:39 AM Roguish: Probescreen works, but is kind of clumsy. 'Features' probing is similar. Both could be significantly better.
11:39 AM Lcvette: Not acpi
11:39 AM Tom_L: i got all sorts of adapters for that for testing :)
11:40 AM Lcvette: Not going to break any thing is it?
11:40 AM Tom_L: nothing that belongs to me
11:40 AM Lcvette: Mmmmm
11:40 AM Lcvette: I can't weather another disaster
11:41 AM Tom_L: what's the disk for?
11:41 AM Lcvette: I better just reload stretch on the chair from scratch
11:41 AM Tom_L: your first stretch try?
11:41 AM Lcvette: From the and computer
11:41 AM Lcvette: AMD
11:41 AM Tom_L: use jt's paste if you're gonna install stretch again
11:41 AM Lcvette: Ok
11:41 AM Tom_L: select the desktop you want
11:42 AM Tom_L: same basic way
11:42 AM Lcvette: Is it have confusing 32/64 stuff?
11:44 AM Tom_L: i doubt it but you could try the 32bit one if you want
11:45 AM Lcvette: No
11:45 AM Lcvette: Lol
11:46 AM Lcvette: I paid for all 64 bits
11:46 AM Lcvette: I wanna use em
11:46 AM Tom_L: i don't think it matters all that much for this
11:46 AM Lcvette: Is principle
11:46 AM Lcvette: Lol
11:46 AM Tom_L: i'm no expert on the topic though
11:47 AM * Tom_L puts his stretch ssd back in
11:48 AM Tom_L: these kids just can't decide what they want anymore....
11:48 AM lcvette_: im not erasing wheezy
11:48 AM lcvette_: just doing the stretch ssd
11:48 AM lcvette_: to have both
11:48 AM lcvette_: i am concerned on that hang on shut down
11:48 AM lcvette_: i researched that last night and the fix seemed non existant or WAY WAY WAY beyond me
11:49 AM lcvette_: and i cringe anytime i have to force shut down something
11:49 AM lcvette_: just seems n natural
11:49 AM lcvette_: un
11:49 AM Tom_L: that's why we get paid the big bux here
11:49 AM * Tom_L checks the hole in his pocket
11:50 AM lcvette_: hahahaha
11:50 AM hazzy-dev: lcvette_ I am not sure what system you have, but is there a reason you can't use one the of stretch live ISOs? There the best thing since sliced bread
11:50 AM hazzy-dev: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
11:52 AM Tom_L: i think he tried one last time
11:52 AM lcvette_: thats what i was using
11:52 AM lcvette_: i loved it for simple installation
11:52 AM Tom_L: mine won't let any of the sims work
11:52 AM lcvette_: i don't like the little bobble at the bottom of the screen
11:52 AM Tom_L: try to save them to the desktop and nothing happens
11:53 AM Tom_L: if it makes the system work i can deal with the bobble
11:53 AM Tom_L: i'm running mate on this stretch install
11:54 AM lcvette_: what is mate?
11:54 AM Tom_L: a desktop
11:54 AM Tom_L: like xcfe or whatever
11:54 AM hazzy-dev: lcvette_ Move the little bobble to the side of the screen :P
11:54 AM hazzy-dev: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
11:54 AM hazzy-dev: oops
11:54 AM hazzy-dev: http://i.imgur.com/oBhYCAs.png
11:55 AM lcvette_: i didn't know you could do that
11:55 AM Roguish: hazzy-dev: what? not using your own GUI ?
11:55 AM hazzy-dev: Very odd, I have never had and trouble running the stretch ISOs, I have 5 machines running on it
11:55 AM lcvette_: ok i will load the same one
11:56 AM hazzy-dev: Roguish: I was testing gmoccapy for lcvette :P
11:56 AM Roguish: yeah.....
11:56 AM lcvette_: what having trouble?
11:57 AM Tom_L: how do you change desktops once you've done an install?
11:57 AM lcvette_: man this always happens i have a church function to be at in 45 minutes with ym wife
11:58 AM lcvette_: will probably be 2 or 3 hours
11:58 AM Tom_L: the problem will still be here
11:58 AM jesseg: My church function is not until about an hour and a half
11:59 AM lcvette_: ok, i am gonna format and make a new thumb drive for stratch... i really need to get some more thumb drives
11:59 AM * hazzy-dev skipped his church function ...
11:59 AM lcvette_: with tags
11:59 AM lcvette_: and probably 4 or 5 more ssd's
11:59 AM lcvette_: and lable them
11:59 AM mtpocketscnc1: Tom_L, You can sudo apt-get install whatever desktop (xfce4, mate, gnome, etc.) Then when you get to login screen you can select which desktop to use
12:00 PM Tom_L: yeah but how do you get rid of the ones you don't want?
12:00 PM lcvette_: sudo apt-unget uninstall
12:00 PM hazzy-dev: Yes, very easy to try/change to different desktop environments
12:01 PM Tom_L: pita when you autologin
12:01 PM hazzy-dev: Tom_L It will auto login to the last one you used
12:04 PM mtpocketscnc1: Hazzy, it's lightdm on lcnc? I forget and not by my machine now
12:05 PM lcvette_: oh what i was going to ask you guys
12:06 PM lcvette_: I am absolutely not in love with gmoccapy
12:06 PM lcvette_: but i am not sure how to change my ini and hal files over to another screen without breaking them
12:06 PM hazzy-dev: mtpocketscnc1: Yes it is lightdm
12:06 PM lcvette_: i would be completely happy with touchy
12:07 PM lcvette_: is there a way to do that?
12:07 PM hazzy-dev: lcvette just change the DISPLAY line in the INI from gmoccapy to touchy, that should be all
12:08 PM lcvette_: i tried that and it broke
12:09 PM mtpocketscnc1: Tom_L, If you would like to change default desktop you can specify it in I think it's /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.
12:09 PM lcvette_: https://pastebin.com/Vuq2QzS6
12:09 PM lcvette_: INI file
12:09 PM hazzy-dev: If you have embedded tabs you might need to change some other things
12:09 PM hazzy-dev: checking
12:10 PM hazzy-dev: Ah, the embedded tab!
12:10 PM * hazzy-dev studies how to embed tabs in touchy
12:11 PM Tom_L: mtpocketscnc thanks
12:12 PM mtpocketscnc1: No problem. Glad I could finally answer a question on here lol. Pretty good with linux but relatively new to linuxcnc
12:12 PM Lcvette: Ah
12:13 PM hazzy-dev: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gladevcp.html#_integrating_into_touchy
12:13 PM hazzy-dev: try changing "EMBED_TAB_COMMAND = halcmd loadusr -Wn gladevcp gladevcp -c gladevcp -u python/probe_screen.py -x {XID} "
12:13 PM hazzy-dev: to
12:14 PM hazzy-dev: EMBED_TAB_COMMAND = gladevcp gladevcp -c gladevcp -u python/probe_screen.py -x {XID}
12:14 PM Lcvette: Ok
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:15 PM hazzy-dev: hi Ichs
12:16 PM mtpocketscnc1: hello Ich
12:16 PM Lcvette: Hi Ichs
12:17 PM Lcvette: Ok I have my thing drive ready to load and my notes for the ini along with the touchy instructions you used
12:18 PM Lcvette: I am off to my function but excited to come back and give this a whirl
12:18 PM Lcvette: Thanks guys
12:18 PM hazzy-dev: Great! Have fun
12:18 PM mtpocketscnc1: later Lcvette :)
12:18 PM Tom_L: gee isn't this fun
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: only 60 cnc on yt today
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: hazzy-dev, is he now changing from gmocappy to touchy
12:22 PM gloops: lol
12:23 PM gloops: theres only blinky and clyde left
12:27 PM hazzy-dev: IchGucksLive: Yes, I think he is! maybe he will settle for keystick :D
12:29 PM mtpocketscnc1: arrgghh!! don't get me wrong I love my kids, but dad gets ticked when they eat his coffee creamer!!
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: hazzy-dev, quite a chellenge on his mashine configuration
12:30 PM fragalot: hi
12:30 PM mtpocketscnc1: hello fragalot
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: bmull, how are the CORN fields growing in idaho
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: here in germany the seat is up around 5cm this morning
12:32 PM Deejay: seat? o0
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: deejay morgen werden die erbsen gemäht
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: im off we got lots of guests here around the lake as it is holiday
12:38 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112991455025?
12:38 PM gloops: lets see, you need another £300 to power it up
12:38 PM gloops: so £550 atm, very cheap still imo
12:40 PM fragalot: not sure how you are going to build the full electrics setup for only 300 pounds..
12:40 PM fragalot: spindle, motors, drivers, power supplies, cabinet, limit & home switches,...
12:40 PM gloops: 150 spindle/vfd 150 longs 425 stepper kit
12:40 PM fragalot: still a VERY good deal
12:41 PM gloops: 425oz
12:41 PM gloops: few miles from me, mrs says NO lol
12:41 PM fragalot: lol
12:42 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Used-Weeke-Optimat-BHP-200-CNC-Router-for-Nesting-Price-is-30-000-VAT/401489215475 'nesting' ?
12:44 PM fragalot: it's when you create birds nests :P
12:45 PM gloops: probably referring to cutting multiple parts from single sheet
12:45 PM SpeedEvil: I guess
12:46 PM gloops: i mean its all there, but 36k for a used router? dreaming
12:47 PM fragalot: You'd be surprised what that thing is worth.
12:48 PM SpeedEvil: yeah
12:48 PM SpeedEvil: It's huge, and rigid
12:48 PM gloops: not saying there isnt a lot of valuable stuff there, but i doubt anyone with 36k in cash will invest in that
12:48 PM SpeedEvil: Indeed
12:49 PM gloops: kitchen/bedroom unit manufacturers dont buy second hand kit
12:49 PM gloops: 2006 - old hat
01:09 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tacx-vortex-smart-turbo-trainer-fully-boxed/112993055199?
01:09 PM gloops: what even is that?
01:09 PM fragalot: some kind of ab work-out machine?
01:10 PM fragalot: actually normally tacx makes bicycle trainer kits
01:10 PM fragalot: the thing in the middle is probably just a carrying handle
01:11 PM mtpocketscnc1: that's what I see. Turns standard bike into excersize bike
01:14 PM hazzy-dev: gloops, that router looks like a steal for ~ £300.00, assuming the welded frame is flat and square ....
01:14 PM hazzy-dev: even has the limit switches on it!
01:15 PM hazzy-dev: Material a lone is worth almost that much
01:15 PM fragalot: it is
01:15 PM gloops: yes
01:19 PM gloops: you wouldnt want to make that for 300, question is, do you really need it?
01:28 PM hazzy-dev: My philosophy is, if it is a good deal, then you probably DO need it. Convincing others that you need it is harder :)
01:28 PM phipli: jthornton, are they new, or did you already have them in there?
01:29 PM jthornton: those have been in there since I switched from crumble to pellets
01:30 PM jthornton: going to add some more now to make the opening smaller
01:30 PM Rab: gloops, based on the number of bids, I suspect there are some vicious sniperz camped on that lot...I'd wager >
01:30 PM phipli: and perhaps a small lip on the back of the front bar?
01:30 PM gloops: i guesstimated about 400 for that router, looks like it will fetch it, therefore - im out
01:30 PM Rab: >£500, maybe >£1000
01:31 PM phipli: jthornton, I like this one : http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens/feeder/feeder-09.jpg
01:31 PM jthornton: they are racking it sideways for sure
01:31 PM Rab: The fact that there were a bunch of bids up front, and then little activity for a few days, is always a bad sign.
01:31 PM gloops: easy £1000 its worth, who would make it for 1k, but it isn rotherham locale, maybe 600
01:32 PM jthornton: phipli: notice the front bar is lower in that photo, then I changed to pellets and had to raise the front bar up do to them raking it to the side and out
01:32 PM phipli: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Litre-Economy-Drinker-Feeder-White/dp/B00VXNCN9E/
01:33 PM phipli: Our feeder is like that - those dividers aren't much more than an inch apart
01:33 PM phipli: they still throw some about when they're in a sulk
01:33 PM phipli: but not too often
01:34 PM jthornton: yea I have one like that, I'll see what more dividers do in a bit
01:34 PM jthornton: I got tired of cleaning poop out of those in the brooder lol
01:36 PM phipli: yeah - they have a good aim
01:40 PM rmu: anybody in here know what purpose serves the cubic interpolator in the trajectory planner
01:40 PM rmu: I understand in case TRAJ_PERIOD < SERVO_PERIOD, but in case they are equal it seems cubic just introduces a delay
01:40 PM rmu: delayed response
01:43 PM Rab: gloops, broke £500, 21 min to go!
01:44 PM gloops: Rab i doubt theyll turn up with £500 round here
01:45 PM pcw_home: AFAIK trajectory period is no longer used
01:45 PM gloops: still, a good buy, more than a weeks work in that, at least £500 materials
01:48 PM pjm: evening / afternoon chaps - whats the best way to link two estop input pins to the axis component?
01:50 PM gloops: 2 stop pins?
01:50 PM pjm: yeah so one pendant estop on parport pin15 and other via 7i43 gpio on the mill itself
01:50 PM gloops: local router broke £600
01:51 PM gloops: put them on the same pin
01:51 PM pjm: yeah its not that simple
01:52 PM Rab: £626, 12 min! A mad feeding frenzy!
01:52 PM pjm: because the same linuxcnc instance has common mpg pendant and independant estops on the machine
01:52 PM pjm: and u select the machine via different ini
01:52 PM pjm: so i need to do some 'or' but i've tried or2 function without luck
01:52 PM rmu: if i'm not mistaken, here https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/emc/motion/control.c#L1238 the output of the trajectory planner is stuffed into a cubic interpolator
01:53 PM rmu: and this https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/emc/motion/control.c#L1286 sets actual joint position commands
01:53 PM rmu: oh i see there is a -devel channel
01:54 PM rmu: perhaps more appropriate there
01:56 PM gloops: im going to say £725-40 for the rotherham router
01:56 PM Rab: £666! Shield children from this sick filth!
01:56 PM fragalot: xD
01:56 PM gloops: 666???
01:57 PM gloops: fs the worst client i ever had has 666 as the last 3 digits on his phone
01:58 PM Tom_L: pjm, use an OR component
01:58 PM Tom_L: it should just work (sm)
01:59 PM pjm: Tom_L, yeah i will retry, i did look at it today but it was too hot in the workshop to concentrate
01:59 PM pjm: i'll have another go later
02:00 PM * gloops sips a whoowhoo
02:00 PM Rab: Nobody's ready to step to that £666.
02:01 PM gloops: hmm lets see, 666 6+6+6 = 18, 1+8 = 9
02:11 PM Tom_L: gloops, choppin wood on your mill yet?
02:12 PM flyback: that's what she said.
02:12 PM flyback: ?
02:12 PM gloops: Tom_L yes, it works above and beyond all expectations
02:12 PM Tom_L: that's great.... finally
02:13 PM Tom_L: pretty happy with mine but haven't had alot of time on it lately
02:13 PM gloops: ill get some vids when this busy spell is over in a few days
03:17 PM miss0r: Goodevening
03:26 PM fragalot: hey miss0r
03:26 PM miss0r: hello
03:26 PM miss0r: What are you up to?
03:27 PM fragalot: was out & about most of the day, but I did get an hour in to shorten one of the ballscrews
03:27 PM fragalot: and it would have almst been cheaper to just buy a shorter one, lol
03:27 PM miss0r: lol
03:27 PM miss0r: What is keeping you from doing the first cast?
03:27 PM fragalot: good news though, is that the case hardening goes really deep.
03:28 PM miss0r: XD
03:28 PM miss0r: And with that toy lathe of yours, running negative ceramic inserts is a hassle
03:28 PM fragalot: well, time to actually go buy more gravel, wash it, dry it, and find a helping hand to do the cast
03:28 PM fragalot: so far every weekend has been packed with too many other things to do
03:28 PM fragalot: yeah :P
03:28 PM miss0r: too bad your poor manners, only allows for a short friend list ;P
03:28 PM fragalot: the lathe did fine, actually
03:29 PM fragalot: but since all my inserts are positive, they did not last all that long
03:29 PM miss0r: Indeed.. I would have thought it had a struggle getting through it
03:30 PM miss0r: yeah, that is a tradeoff
03:30 PM fragalot: so after wearing out 2 inserts, I reground a 3rd to have more meat behind it
03:30 PM miss0r: I don't remember - do you have a grinder for your lathe?
03:30 PM fragalot: that worked.
03:30 PM fragalot: I have a foredom holder to fit into the toolpost :P
03:30 PM miss0r: :D
03:31 PM miss0r: That is something to consider. Doing all that work on your cnc, it would be sad to have a slightly off center ballscrew
03:31 PM fragalot: indeed it would - but the part coming into contact with the bearing was just below the case hardening
03:32 PM fragalot: so it was just a matter of getting through the 3mm thick case hardening
03:32 PM miss0r: yeah, but still... grinding it between centers would be preferred imo
03:32 PM fragalot: then checking it was still centered and running true, and whittling it down to perfection.
03:32 PM fragalot: between centres
03:32 PM fragalot: how long do you think my lathe is!
03:32 PM fragalot: :D
03:33 PM miss0r: hehe :D
03:33 PM fragalot: it only has 550mm between centres, the Y screw was 600
03:35 PM fragalot: started off as 750mm
03:35 PM miss0r: That actualy sucks :D
03:35 PM miss0r: You should have sent them over my shop :P
03:35 PM miss0r: I would gladly reject taking out my lathe grinder, and send them back unmachined ;)
03:35 PM fragalot: haha
03:36 PM miss0r: Its just a shitty task cleaning the ways properly after grinding, even with some good covers
03:36 PM fragalot: anyway I've only got the X to reduce the length on, might do that tomorrow
03:37 PM miss0r: I finished project binky last night, and threw in a few hours of cleaning the shop. Now it is looking good down here... for the most part :D
03:37 PM fragalot: this is one of the issues with a fulltime job, the only times i've got time spare to do stuff & get supplies, everything is shut :P
03:37 PM fragalot: haha
03:37 PM fragalot: good job getting that out of the way, lol
03:37 PM miss0r: Indeed... :D
03:38 PM miss0r: as if IRC wasn't bad enough for productivity, you had to throw that series into the mix :
03:38 PM fragalot: i've got more of those if you want xD
03:38 PM miss0r: Hold on to those for a rainy day
03:39 PM miss0r: I think I'll get back to looking at my EDM. I will need it to complete the safe
03:40 PM miss0r: I am basically just missing a new linear rail & a few changes to the control box. Then I am golden
03:40 PM fragalot: so bolting it onto a magdrill was not ideal? :P
03:41 PM miss0r: The idea crossed my mind, but I want the base to be more flexible
03:41 PM fragalot: so get a cheap one
03:41 PM fragalot: those are very flexible
03:41 PM miss0r: not the kind of flexible I had in mind ;)
03:43 PM miss0r: I've build most of the base. I just need the linear rail part. But since I started doing this for a living, i've had a hard time justifying these projects. It costs alot of dough to do it right
03:43 PM fragalot: Indeed it does
03:43 PM miss0r: Its not that the money isn't there, I'm just not sure what my boss feels about me doing it :]
03:43 PM fragalot: but at the same time, that build will be with you for ages, and will save your butt at one point or another
03:44 PM miss0r: That is true. and when I realy need it, I won't have the time to finish it
03:48 PM russtuff_: anyone have luck getting modbus vfd control working with a Mesa setup? i tried copying my commands from my parallel port setup but i can't get it to work yet. the pfcconf seems to only work with 0-10v spinde control.
03:48 PM fragalot: haven't tried yet, but keep me posted with the results :D
03:49 PM russtuff_: lol k
04:25 PM CaptHindsight: russtuff_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NF8EFoPlrk
04:26 PM CaptHindsight: if you follow his links he has all of his working configs posted somewhere
04:32 PM CaptHindsight: what I have noticed is that you have to get the proper VFD or a more exact clone
04:51 PM russtuff_: thanks i'll take a look at it right now. i have finally got axis to load and when i turn on the cw direction the vfd clicks and reads H0001 so i know the modbus is working.
04:52 PM russtuff_: the problem is on my old parallel port installation turning on the spindle with the cw button gives the vfd a H0003 reading so something isn't quite right yet.
05:01 PM russtuff_: his settings caused me to lose modbus communications. more testing
05:03 PM * JT-Shop is taking the rest of the day off
05:05 PM andypugh: I have LinuxCNC running on my phone :-)
05:05 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/c3iV6un5z0fx9Wbs1
05:08 PM JT-Shop: what kind of phone is that?
05:08 PM SpeedEvil: :)
05:08 PM russtuff_: oh it looks like communication is working. the fwd and rev pins must not be connected in the hal file. i know what to look for now at least.
05:08 PM hazzy-dev: andypugh: Thats neat! (but the specs on your phone probably put my PC to shame ...)
05:09 PM andypugh: https://www.planetcom.co.uk
05:09 PM Deejay: gn8
05:09 PM SpeedEvil: Intteresting
05:10 PM * JT-Shop has the last bit of sheetrock out of the tub area
05:10 PM JT-Shop: going to be fun for sure
05:10 PM hazzy-dev: thought so, over 2.0GHz and 4GB ram!!! That would be a supper computer for me!
05:11 PM andypugh: I should point out that I was an Indiegogo backer so paid about half the current price.
05:12 PM hazzy-dev: Neat. looks like a very capable little machine
05:13 PM XXCoder: interesting
05:13 PM XXCoder: my pc got 16 gb ram lol
05:13 PM XXCoder: I usually go overkill on ram.
05:13 PM XXCoder: I could run windows in vm and give to 8 gb ram
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: I wish that they still made phones like that
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: one could tether it though
05:19 PM CaptHindsight: heh, had to get to the specs page to see that it has 4G and wifi
05:21 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: how does the GUI perform?
05:21 PM andypugh: Not terribly
05:21 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: which linux and desktop?
05:22 PM andypugh: I am not sure. It;s Debain Stretch but not sure what desktop
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: I'd like it just as a phone that I can control
05:23 PM phipli: andypugh : saw them fundraising - are you liking the new phone?
05:30 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: did you build a preempt_rt patch for it?
05:32 PM DaViruz: did anyone ever figure out what happened to archivist?
05:33 PM CaptHindsight: DaViruz: yes, he got busy
05:34 PM DaViruz: that's good news
05:40 PM Tom_itx: andypugh, now you need a pocket mill
05:42 PM DaViruz: pocketnc? :P
05:43 PM andypugh: I like PocketNC, but I don’t have the spare money.
05:51 PM jthornton: dang he left
05:52 PM jthornton: 5k for the base machine
05:52 PM XXCoder: I have 2 heh. one never worked properly (assembly error apparently) and working one. dunno what to do with those
05:54 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20180517-arevo-makes-first-3d-printed-bike-frame-names-new-ceo-funding-round.html
05:55 PM CaptHindsight: "The head lays down strands of carbon fiber and melts a thermoplastic material to bind the strands, all in one step."
05:55 PM XXCoder: silly looking frame
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: sounds like it doesn't weave the CF
05:58 PM CaptHindsight: http://arevoinc.com/ webiste doesn't say much either
05:59 PM hazzy-dev: XXCoder: Bike frames are kinda boring, gotta do something to make it more interesting! (they failed though)
05:59 PM XXCoder: I doubt it does that
06:00 PM XXCoder: theres new cf rod printer, but I guess that thing is more like printer that it deposts layers
06:00 PM XXCoder: which has inter-layer flaws
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: robot arm with extruder for thermoplastic and CF spool
06:00 PM XXCoder: interesting.
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: am I missing something?
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: doesn't appear to weave the CF
06:00 PM XXCoder: doubtful
06:00 PM XXCoder: winding at most maybe
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: some funny business with the pics of the frame as well
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-arevo-3dbike/silicon-valley-startup-peddles-3d-printed-bike-idUSKCN1II1LO
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: pics go from typical layered FDM to smooth and polished
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xBxierGRrE Composite Based Additive Manufacturing
06:06 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:06 PM XXCoder: maybe they did some post print finish
06:06 PM XXCoder: add some epoxy, sand it and smoothj
06:07 PM XXCoder: interesing video
06:17 PM MarcelineVQ: is there an easy place to share videos temporarily or without login?
06:18 PM MarcelineVQ: I should prob just make a youtube actually since they'd handle the compression
06:41 PM XXCoder: youtube also have livestream if you need
07:58 PM gloops: that little drink wasnt such a good idea, now ive slept for 6 hours and wide awake when i should be asleep
07:59 PM MarcelineVQ: for anyone interested I made a couple (amateur) of vids of my wood lathe cnc adaptor https://www.bitchute.com/video/V0d0S4p7FVAg/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/GGlaD6spZRW5/
08:03 PM gloops: dont know why but both vids stop playing for me after a few seconds MarcelineVQ, but what i saw looks ok
08:04 PM MarcelineVQ: weird, might have some buffering issue. I'd put these on youtube but piece of shit google keeps shoving my real name onto the channel I made
08:05 PM MarcelineVQ: And haven't even entered my real name on the account I made for it.
08:07 PM gloops: could be my PC i think the chips running a bit hot
08:08 PM MarcelineVQ: if you pause for a bit and then resume and more video plays it's just buffering
08:08 PM gloops: ill let it sit for a while
08:21 PM gloops: think it probably is my end, nothing else is playing very well, ill try again tommorrow
08:37 PM lcvette: join
08:48 PM lcvette: a 3 hour tour... a 3 hour tour....
08:49 PM lcvette: got roped into some after function chores for the cause
08:50 PM lcvette: little longer day than expected, but im back home and just finished loading stretch and have my network stuff up and running
08:50 PM lcvette: i was curious about updating linuxcnc since im running version 2.7.11 on this install?
08:51 PM lcvette: is it possible to update to the latest version?
08:51 PM lcvette: figured better to start with it now
09:18 PM hazzy-dev: MarcelineVQ: Lathe looks good! I did something similar a few years ago to use for pattern making
09:19 PM hazzy-dev: Gosh, that was longer ago. I got my engine lathe in 2013, and I did the conversion on the wood lathe a few years before that
09:19 PM hazzy-dev: time flies ...
09:22 PM hazzy-dev: What I did was not nearly as nice as yours, but it worked. I think I used heavy duty drawer slides as liner rails, and Mach3 for control, heh
09:23 PM hazzy-dev: lcvette: "$ sudo apt-get update" should get everything up to current
09:24 PM lcvette: says reading package lists... Done
09:25 PM hazzy-dev: which reminds me, I need to update the server ..
09:25 PM hazzy-dev: good
09:25 PM lcvette: hey quick network question
09:25 PM hazzy-dev: type linuxcnc and see what version it uses
09:25 PM lcvette: 2.7.11
09:25 PM lcvette: 3lol
09:25 PM hazzy-dev: hmm, should be 2.7.13
09:26 PM lcvette: is that the latest update for this version maybe?
09:26 PM hazzy-dev: no
09:26 PM hazzy-dev: try sudo apt-get upgrade
09:27 PM lcvette: now its doing stuff
09:27 PM lcvette: lots of stuff
09:28 PM hazzy-dev: Thats a good sign!
09:28 PM hazzy-dev: sorry family is shouting at me to get off the PC! bbl
09:28 PM lcvette: k
09:28 PM lcvette: thank you!
09:55 PM Tom_itx: lcvette, any progress?
09:55 PM lcvette: I just upgraded linuxcnc
09:55 PM lcvette: finished updating my network settings
09:55 PM lcvette: i got rid of the bobble alltogether
09:56 PM lcvette: have a nice clean window now
09:56 PM lcvette: custom top bar
09:56 PM lcvette: getting ready to import my config files now and make some changes per the conversation earlier
10:15 PM Tom_itx: did you install mate as the desktop?
10:17 PM lcvette: no, i did the regular install
10:17 PM lcvette: chickened out
10:17 PM lcvette: :(
10:18 PM lcvette: but i really dig how i setup this one
10:18 PM lcvette: clutter free
10:18 PM lcvette: no bobble
10:19 PM lcvette: and i even learned how to configure the top panel
10:19 PM lcvette: and all the drop down menu bars
10:19 PM lcvette: so i added the bobble items to the top menu bar so i still have quick access to them and they aren't in my screen at the bottom or on the side
10:20 PM lcvette: and i can set the top menu bar to disappear
10:21 PM lcvette: so while in machine mode it will be awesomeness
10:21 PM lcvette: once i get there of course
10:23 PM Tom_itx: you're ahead of me on that stuff
10:24 PM lcvette: well.... i kind forced myself into it
10:24 PM lcvette: i was rushing through the installation
10:24 PM lcvette: kinda becoming a pro at installing stratch at this point
10:25 PM lcvette: and when the opening screen popped up asking what panel configuration i wanted i clicked one panel instead of the default
10:25 PM Tom_itx: i might run thru it once more to see if it helps my sims any
10:25 PM Tom_itx: did you do the iso or the link jt posted?
10:25 PM lcvette: iso
10:25 PM lcvette: if you click one panel
10:26 PM lcvette: you get no bobble at the bottom
10:26 PM lcvette: but you also get no clock or applications drop down menu or shut down thingy or network icon thingy
10:26 PM * hazzy-dev is back
10:26 PM Tom_itx: yeah
10:26 PM lcvette: but you get one tab that you can build and configure as you choose
10:26 PM hazzy-dev: lcvette: Thats is what I have on my mill, one the top panel, and that is set to auto hide. It's great!
10:27 PM lcvette: yeah im digging it
10:27 PM hazzy-dev: XFCE is not the best out of the box, but once configured to once liking it beats all the other desktops IMO
10:29 PM lcvette: now that i have it setup im good
10:29 PM lcvette: as for the conversion to touchy...
10:29 PM lcvette: seems im getting the same error messages
10:29 PM lcvette: lol
10:29 PM hazzy-dev: :(
10:30 PM lcvette: i know
10:30 PM Tom_itx: i just don't know how to make changes to it i guess
10:30 PM lcvette: i built a basic config for my machine and it works
10:30 PM Tom_itx: or never took the time to
10:31 PM lcvette: i can jog it around, and the items i saw in pncconf to configure such as coolant etc they function just fine too
10:31 PM lcvette: i can help you change it like i did tom thats the least i can do
10:32 PM Tom_itx: i'm not too worried about it, it's just a test machine anyway
10:32 PM Tom_itx: it'll probably have something else on it soon enough
10:32 PM lcvette: hahahaha
10:32 PM Tom_itx: ironically, i'd gotten these ethernet cards i wanted to test
10:33 PM lcvette: well, one thing i will say about stretch that im very happy about, is it is in alot of ways right off install like a windows machine, things just seem to work
10:33 PM Tom_itx: i've got my mill config on one
10:34 PM lcvette: probably because its so new
10:34 PM Tom_itx: what about your config won't run on axis?
10:34 PM lcvette: well my config is very basic
10:35 PM Tom_itx: for your cnc
10:35 PM lcvette: so no ATC functionality, im not sure how to setup any of that
10:35 PM Tom_itx: you've got all the files right?
10:35 PM lcvette: it seems very complicated and scary
10:35 PM lcvette: yes but i am not certain how it all works
10:36 PM lcvette: i understand the mechanics of it and the sensors etc
10:36 PM Tom_itx: how many files are there for it?
10:36 PM lcvette: but not how the software side uses it
10:36 PM Tom_itx: the hal, the ini and what else?
10:36 PM lcvette: whats your email?
10:36 PM Tom_itx: i did a spindle orient a while back but didn't have a tool changer to test
10:36 PM lcvette: out spindle orient is done in the drive
10:37 PM Tom_itx: good
10:37 PM lcvette: it just requires an output
10:37 PM lcvette: and the drive has an output stating it is in position
10:37 PM Tom_itx: i PM'd you my email
10:37 PM Tom_itx: that takes alot out of it
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