#linuxcnc Logs

May 14 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:25 AM MarcelineVQ: they are :(
12:45 AM IchGucksLive: good morning from thundery germany
12:46 AM fragalot: hey
12:59 AM IchGucksLive: :-)
01:02 AM XXCoder1: hello world
01:03 AM XXCoder1: this is my first irc-related text with this computer ethernet connection.
01:03 AM XXCoder1: havent used wifi in years since I built this computer new lol but finally
01:08 AM XXCoder1 is now known as XXCoder
01:10 AM Lcvette: Ok, ordered a g3258 Intel CPU, found a new one, now in trying to hunt down a decent priced asrock h97m pro4 motherboard
01:10 AM Lcvette: Getting there
01:18 AM XXCoder: nice
01:27 AM gloops: it will come together Lcvette
01:27 AM gloops: i was in a panic to get mine finished - and i havent used it yet lol, there was actually plenty of time
01:28 AM Lcvette: I need mine soon
01:28 AM Lcvette: My little one is struggling to keep up
01:28 AM gloops: ahh well, if youve got work lined up for it thats different
01:31 AM gloops: i got behind in the design depmt so until im ready with that its stood
01:31 AM Lcvette: Ah
01:31 AM Lcvette: Whatcha building?
01:31 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, the trodochanal milling has been retchekted from freecad
01:31 AM gloops: the machine is finished, designs for stuff to make - just simple things to start, signs etc
01:31 AM XXCoder: IchGucksLive: removed?
01:31 AM Lcvette: Gotcha
01:31 AM Lcvette: You guys don't use fusion?
01:31 AM gloops: some in here do
01:31 AM XXCoder: not me. no windows pc
01:31 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder, discussion is on the use of a separat function not dressup i did
01:32 AM XXCoder: vm int work too well for fusion
01:32 AM XXCoder: *don't
01:32 AM IchGucksLive: Lcvette, i do not got a win pc at all
01:32 AM IchGucksLive: and im in the middle of 15 pc around
01:32 AM Lcvette: Lol
01:32 AM Lcvette: Anti windows?
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: i lost my company in early 20005 by virus and i changed
01:33 AM Lcvette: Ah
01:33 AM XXCoder: so you will lose company in 18,000 years
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: :O
01:33 AM MarcelineVQ: XXCoder: vm should work alright as long as your cpu has pci passthrough
01:33 AM XXCoder: that sucks ich
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: -18000
01:33 AM gloops: someone on facebook was completely stuck with freecad, i dont know what it is with some people, youtube is full of tutorials
01:33 AM MarcelineVQ: mine doesn't, one generation too old :>
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, some will never learn
01:34 AM Lcvette: What is freecad?
01:34 AM XXCoder: its cad that has some cam aspects
01:34 AM gloops: ive got windows 7 on a laptop, i used it for something last night, you open it up and its like wtf
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: Lcvette, our own cad CAM system
01:34 AM MarcelineVQ: open source cad/cam software
01:34 AM Lcvette: Gotcha
01:36 AM IchGucksLive: Lcvette, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_EXOpvcjQ
01:36 AM IchGucksLive: Lcvette, i got the whole serie online
01:37 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
01:45 AM Lcvette: I just watched a few
01:45 AM Lcvette: That's awesome!
01:45 AM Lcvette: Did you make that?
01:45 AM XXCoder: ich left
01:46 AM Lcvette: Ah
01:46 AM XXCoder: hey thats prety good quality videos
01:46 AM Lcvette: He loves that garden
01:46 AM XXCoder: his videos tend to be ehh
01:46 AM XXCoder: blurry and stuff, his network connection is not very good
01:46 AM Lcvette: Did he make that software?
01:47 AM XXCoder: freecad? nah though he did help on some features I think
01:47 AM Lcvette: Wow
01:47 AM Lcvette: Sharp guy
01:47 AM XXCoder: cant type for crap but yeah
01:47 AM gloops: for simple metal stuff freecad is adequate id say
01:47 AM XXCoder: or wood
01:48 AM gloops: still not sure about the toolpaths though ive never tried running any
01:48 AM Lcvette: I'm excited to play with it
01:48 AM gloops: or wood yeah
01:48 AM Lcvette: I was too inning to myself earlier that it would be nice if I could have my car can on the machine computer
01:48 AM gloops: i dont think there is a complete assembly section yet
01:48 AM Lcvette: Thinking*
01:48 AM gloops: but the drawing side is fine
01:49 AM XXCoder: gloops: Assembly3 is still in works
01:49 AM XXCoder: considering that there is failed Assembly1 and 2, I just hope it dont fail
01:49 AM Lcvette: Yeah but for quick stuff in sure that would be great to do or some stuff that conversational would be a bit to converse to use for
01:50 AM Lcvette: Cumbersome
01:50 AM gloops: its a pity devs from other software havent pooled some of their knowledge on those things
01:50 AM Lcvette: Sorry I'm on my tablet, typing on it is not my strong suit
01:51 AM gloops: didnt really get what you meant with the car can on computer Lcvette lol
01:51 AM XXCoder: Lcvette: look and you will notice he didnt even spell correctly in his channel name :)
01:52 AM XXCoder: hes certainly smart just cant type for crap
01:52 AM XXCoder: his videos have certainly have taken a jump on quality. nice!
01:54 AM MarcelineVQ: hehe, he's hard to understand in text but the videos are plenty clear enough to help me out
01:55 AM Lcvette: Lol
01:56 AM XXCoder: lcv check his much earlier videos
01:57 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssb8I_5dejs for example
01:59 AM Lcvette: Ah yeah
01:59 AM Lcvette: Audio is a bit rough
01:59 AM XXCoder: wouldnt know about that, but video certainly is
01:59 AM XXCoder: he had sucky internet access, I guess thats changed now
02:00 AM Lcvette: Video want that bad for me
02:00 AM Lcvette: Not awesome but ok
02:00 AM XXCoder: just slight over-compression
02:00 AM Lcvette: Wasn't
02:03 AM Lcvette: What makes one motherboard better than another with regards to the chipset number?
02:03 AM Lcvette: H97 Z97
02:03 AM Lcvette: Etc
02:03 AM Lcvette: I'm googling but not getting much success in a clear answer
02:05 AM XXCoder: no idea myself sadly. I use old pc for linuxcnc
02:05 AM XXCoder: its formerly high end pc
02:05 AM Lcvette: That's what this is
02:05 AM Lcvette: Older high end stuff
02:06 AM XXCoder: all I know is disable all power saving stuff, get good gpu, ok amount of ram, hard drive of virtually any size (mine is 8 gb)
02:06 AM XXCoder: ssd of 8 gb lol
02:06 AM Lcvette: Nice
02:06 AM Lcvette: That tiny
02:07 AM MarcelineVQ: the differences are onboard extras like card slots and various hardware support chips, e.g. https://www.asus.com/Product-Compare/?products=JIM9ojJyz4lZRy4k,eQDRiziXCnTaskMn&b=0
02:07 AM XXCoder: its double needed space of 4 gb
02:07 AM MarcelineVQ: what those differences are will vary by model and brand
02:08 AM Lcvette: Gotcha
02:09 AM Lcvette: Oh and by going with this Intel CPU, does that mean I can't run the amd64 Preempt-RT stretch Linuxcnc download?
02:09 AM Lcvette: So I have to run the 32bit i386?
02:10 AM MarcelineVQ: afaik amd64 is just the name for 64bit, I don't think the brand matters currently
02:10 AM Lcvette: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
02:10 AM Lcvette: Ah o
02:11 AM Lcvette: K
02:22 AM gloops: hmm, 10mm thick upvc comes in 8x4 sheets, chrome vinyl sticks to it like sht, cuts like cutting air...no finishing
02:23 AM XXCoder: upvc?
02:23 AM gloops: like the stuff they use for fascia boards, hard shiny surface film on 10mm foam
02:23 AM MarcelineVQ: brittle pvc
02:24 AM gloops: hmm it is bit brittle in small sections yes
02:24 AM XXCoder: pvc with no plasticizer
02:24 AM XXCoder: isnt pvc have umm that chemical
02:24 AM XXCoder: forgot name
02:24 AM gloops: brittle, thats a snag...
02:24 AM XXCoder: sulfur?
02:24 AM MarcelineVQ: bpa
02:24 AM MarcelineVQ: and phthalates appearantly
02:25 AM MarcelineVQ: the trick is just to not light it on fire
02:25 AM XXCoder: Dioxin, with chlorine
02:25 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2440-x-1220mm-8x4ft-3mm-5mm-10mm-White-Matt-Foamex-PVC-Foam-Board-Panel-Sheet-/201794302396
02:25 AM gloops: brittle isnt a problem if its stuck on something else though
02:25 AM XXCoder: vwry hard wearing it says
02:25 AM XXCoder: yeah some decent backing and its done
02:26 AM gloops: it has a hard surface, ive worked with it quite a lot
02:26 AM MarcelineVQ: I wasn't saying brittle as a problem, just that upvc is the hardand stiff pvc
02:26 AM XXCoder: even better if backing can be "inside" for 2 suided sign
02:26 AM gloops: brittle is a problem for free hanging letters though
02:26 AM XXCoder: sided
02:26 AM gloops: or intricate stuff, like a tree say
02:27 AM gloops: could stick whole board to some 4mm ply
02:27 AM MarcelineVQ: pvc cements together really well, a person could make some interesting designs just by sandwitching it
02:27 AM gloops: how do you mean inside XXCoder?
02:28 AM XXCoder: well basically 2 of those plastic signs use same say lamated wood as backing
02:28 AM XXCoder: so you have sign on both sides and you only need one lamated wood for it
02:29 AM gloops: yeah that would work
02:29 AM gloops: i was pondering cutting thin aluminium and sticking it to wood, ally doesnt stick though and harder to cut
02:30 AM gloops: upvc with metallic vinyl would be ok, ...if it isnt too brittle lol
02:30 AM gloops: weatherproof and no finishing work
02:30 AM MarcelineVQ: you can pin it to wood, that can even be part of the decoration
02:30 AM gloops: pin the ally sheet?
02:31 AM gloops: you can get brushed alu vinyl, chrome vinyl, mirror vinyl, gold vinyl
02:31 AM MarcelineVQ: sure, there's lots of way to fasten sheet
02:32 AM MarcelineVQ: especially if the sign's one sided
02:33 AM gloops: plastic would be better to sell lettering, like kids bedrooms they buy names to stick on the wall, a handful of plastic letters ideal to post and for parents to stick on the wall with some double sided foam tape, no messing
02:33 AM gloops: ill keep experimenting anyway, need some material solutions
02:34 AM gloops: got some sheet ally, some upvc, some vinyl
02:41 AM gloops: another bonus ive just found, the vinyl sticks to the 10mm foam sides, and when its trimmed off, there is no visible joint with the surface, seamless, thats pretty good
02:50 AM Deejay: moin
02:51 AM gloops: morning Deejay, been doing anything with the router lately?
02:51 AM Deejay: hi gloops. nope. busy with other things
02:51 AM gloops: yeah same here, time is the enemy
02:52 AM Deejay: indeed
02:52 AM Deejay: and afk now, cya läters
02:54 AM gloops: have a nice day
03:05 AM pjm: morning chaps, re the 7i43 invalid cookie, i've entered the lpt base address for both machines in the config and its now solved, thanks to all for the fix!
03:06 AM Aztec03 is now known as Panoptes
04:40 AM pcw_mesa_ is now known as pcw_mesa
05:51 AM jthornton: morning
06:08 AM Tom_L: morning
06:48 AM fragalot: Hi.
07:56 AM Blumax: Hello
07:59 AM Blumax: My CNC uses two belts for the Y axis, so when I close the machine the perpenducality is lost. You know if there is a solutin with two end stop for linuxcnc to do the global homing and then it puts the axis of equerre well. There are two motors and two drivers on the Y axis?
08:05 AM gregcnc: Which Linuxcnc version are you using?
08:06 AM Blumax: 2.7.12
08:06 AM gregcnc: 2.8.x supports gantry configs
08:12 AM Blumax: It supports two end-stops on one axis?
08:13 AM Blumax: My offset can change each time the machine is started :(
08:16 AM jthornton: Blumax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgNLd6A34Vo
08:17 AM Blumax: cool, tank you :)
08:18 AM Blumax: I just have to install version 2.8 ^^
08:18 AM jthornton: aye
08:52 AM gloops: well, not sure how that little tricked worked, but old HP pavillion wouldnt fire up when i got in, blasted power pack vent with hot hairdryer for 20 seconds, blinking light goes solid, starts up heh
08:56 AM cradek: might be time to make backups
08:56 AM gregcnc: is that the one that got rained in
09:00 AM Loetmichel: any electronics guys here?
09:00 AM Loetmichel: I just removed a primary fet from a HP printer PSU. line 1 "ZDX081" line 2 "N50", to220 case. Anyone any idea where to find a datasheet?
09:03 AM gloops: no its not been rained in, there was a brief power cut i think
09:05 AM cradek: Loetmichel: perhaps it's 2N50: http://www.unisonic.com.tw/datasheet/2N50.pdf
09:05 AM MarcelineVQ: Loetmichel: closest I see https://www.mouser.ca/datasheet/2/348/dx080n50-1144033.pdf
09:06 AM Loetmichel: MarcelineVQ: that looks promising
09:06 AM MarcelineVQ: if it's helpful: I tried a couple things but what worked was to go to mouse.com and type in zdx and select the closest thing in the dropdown
09:06 AM Loetmichel: could fit
09:06 AM MarcelineVQ: mouser
09:06 AM Loetmichel: considering that an 8A 500V fet now works in there
09:06 AM Loetmichel: and the pinout is correct
09:06 AM Loetmichel: thanks
09:55 AM Beachbumpete1: MORNING LINUXCNC :)
10:10 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
10:12 AM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel, noch am schuften
10:12 AM Loetmichel: jup
10:12 AM Loetmichel: noch ne dreiviertelstunde
10:12 AM Loetmichel: war ein wenig spät heut morgen ;)
10:13 AM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel, eine frage mir sind die teiel für die shcule ausgegangen 2x 10uF und 4x 10kOhm 1/4
10:13 AM IchGucksLive: wärest du in der lage firmenmäsig der Schule diese bereitzustellen
10:13 AM MarkusBec: für sowas nutze ich im mom amazon
10:14 AM MarkusBec: also so standart bauteile
10:14 AM MarkusBec: ist dann in 24h da
10:14 AM Loetmichel: IchGucksLive: konnte ich. aber bestells halt irgendwo. das kostet doch nur pfennigsbeträge
10:14 AM Loetmichel: und ist schneller als wenn ich jetz hier suche und in einen biefumschlag stopfe
10:14 AM IchGucksLive: 5euro versandt da krig ich 500
10:15 AM IchGucksLive: war nur ne frage
10:15 AM MarkusBec: https://www.amazon.de/400-PCS-Spotlight-Toleranz-Carbon-Widerstände/dp/B00SWKFDRU/ref=sr_1_2?rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1526308804&sr=8-2&keywords=10k+ohm&refinements=p_76%3A419122031
10:15 AM IchGucksLive: MarkusBec, ich kaufe nichts bei amazon
10:16 AM MarkusBec: https://www.amazon.de/Aussel-Wert-120-Stück-Elektrolytkondensatoren/dp/B01MXSI7I4/ref=pd_sbs_147_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QQKP1C6DDCGTF9D9J7NG
10:17 AM MarkusBec: maybe its too match german for this channel :)
10:17 AM IchGucksLive: i will wait for the china parts or a Reichelt order to show up
10:18 AM Loetmichel: MarkusBec is right
10:18 AM Loetmichel: use amazon for that stuff
10:18 AM Loetmichel: or ebay
10:18 AM IchGucksLive: its for the PROXXON RPM control board
10:18 AM Loetmichel: 1 day delivery, no shipment costs usually, and such parts are there in droves
10:22 AM IchGucksLive: 10 at 1,50
10:22 AM IchGucksLive: 100from CN at 1
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: i will wait
10:26 AM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel, is there already thunder at your place
10:28 AM IchGucksLive: MarkusBec, the socket for the DIL14 what are they caled in english
10:29 AM MarkusBec: DIL14 socket?
10:30 AM IchGucksLive: oh i see they call it DIP
10:31 AM IchGucksLive: on ebay the Buyer shoudt be forced to tell the delivery time
10:32 AM IchGucksLive: and there shoudt be a search fast deliverd
10:32 AM IchGucksLive: some parts arive in 10 days some take 6 week
10:32 AM Loetmichel: IchGucksLive: already thru.
10:32 AM IchGucksLive: where
10:32 AM IchGucksLive: did i miss it
10:33 AM IchGucksLive: or the thunderstorm
10:33 AM IchGucksLive: i got bright sunshine outside
10:33 AM IchGucksLive: awaiting to hit the second wave
10:33 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off till later
10:35 AM Beachbumpete1: Hey guys I am trying to find a tool that can help us sniff out the circuits for the power in the new building we are moving into. MOST of this is 230 or 480v and we have TONS of conduit running everywhere.
10:36 AM Beachbumpete1: is there a tool that can help us locate which cable goes where to the main breaker room safely?
10:36 AM Beachbumpete1: I was looking at toner and sensor tools but most look to be setup for 120vac or data/cable/phone applications.
10:36 AM Panoptes is now known as Aztec03
11:04 AM skunkworks: lcvette: how goes it? in the deep?
11:05 AM lcvette: hey man whats up!
11:05 AM lcvette: diggin a little deeper every day
11:05 AM lcvette: lol
11:05 AM skunkworks: keeps you out of trouble...
11:06 AM lcvette: just ordered G3258 cpu and ASRock H97M Pro4 motherboard
11:06 AM lcvette: shopping for some memory now
11:06 AM lcvette: so hoping that fixes the latency issue
11:06 AM lcvette: and i can cross that off my list
11:07 AM lcvette: ordered the new linear bearing trucks for the y axis i crashed and hoping they arrive by friday
11:07 AM lcvette: plates are spinning man my plates are spinning
11:07 AM skunkworks: you wrecked the linear bearing from a crash?
11:08 AM lcvette: .....scratches floor with shoe nervously.... yeah
11:09 AM skunkworks: impressive..
11:09 AM lcvette: nothing i can't do with a racecar
11:09 AM lcvette: lol
11:09 AM skunkworks: The K&T that has 8 tons of cutting force has end travel limits switches that kill power to the drives
11:09 AM lcvette: days of thunder quote
11:10 AM skunkworks: and when I forget to home and jog it the wrong direction - I am happy about that.
11:10 AM lcvette: yeah.... those were not in the basic config i had made that night and it was the first one that i got to go through ever and the first time the machine moved and i got a little carried away
11:11 AM lcvette: i had set the acceleration pretty slow apparantly but the velocity slider was set on full
11:11 AM lcvette: i did a quick test to check direction and it seemed pretty slow
11:11 AM skunkworks: (they are part of the estop loop - so outside of computer control)
11:12 AM lcvette: but the first time i held the arrow key for more then a second was on the y axis and man after the acceleration it hit full speed quick...
11:12 AM lcvette: 709ipm
11:12 AM lcvette: by the time i got off the key it had just gone too far
11:12 AM skunkworks: oops
11:12 AM lcvette: yeah
11:13 AM lcvette: it wasn't a hard crash
11:13 AM skunkworks: homing would have helped that too with soft-limits :)
11:13 AM skunkworks: hinds sight
11:13 AM lcvette: but the way cover extenion supports are right in front of the linear rails and almost the same size and went inside the dust covers and hit the balls in the recirc path and crushed a few
11:13 AM lcvette: indeed!
11:13 AM lcvette: lesson learned
11:14 AM lcvette: i was really mixed up that night
11:14 AM lcvette: very happy it moved and very distraught it crashed
11:15 AM lcvette: now i need to resolve the issue with the config files still and hopefully by the time the new cpu/mobo are here and in and the truck are replaced i'll be ready to try again
11:16 AM lcvette: do you know if there would be a compatibility issue between the python plugin in the debian wheezy rtai distro of linuxcnc and the test preempt-rt stretch distro
11:19 AM skunkworks: as far as I know - python hasn't changed between the two
11:21 AM skunkworks: your going to try wheezy with rt_preempt?
11:21 AM lcvette: no
11:22 AM lcvette: trying to figure out what it causing my problem
11:22 AM lcvette: seems to be when it calls for those python files
11:22 AM skunkworks: what are the python files supposed to do?
11:23 AM lcvette: some remapping for the atc and some stuff for the pyvcp?
11:24 AM lcvette: im not familiar enough about it all just eyt but trying t break it down to understand that some more
11:24 AM skunkworks: what is the error?
11:25 AM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/RDCKUyE7
11:30 AM skunkworks: I don't know what error is causing it not start. Is it the NGC file not found: ngc=toolchange
11:30 AM skunkworks: line?
11:30 AM skunkworks: I might just not worry about the remap stuff until you get the basic machine moving
11:31 AM lcvette: at this point that file is one in the same
11:31 AM lcvette: the basic config i made loads up fine
11:32 AM lcvette: moves the machine around, triggers my inputs and outputs
11:32 AM lcvette: works as normal except the latency warning which i am addressing already
11:32 AM lcvette: but it uses axis
11:33 AM lcvette: and is just one made with pncconfig
11:33 AM lcvette: the other using gmoccapy will no kind of load but is a dead screen
11:33 AM lcvette: no buttons work
11:33 AM lcvette: and has to be terminated manually for lack of response
11:34 AM * skunkworks has never used gmoccapy
11:34 AM lcvette: ah
11:34 AM lcvette: damn gmoccapy
11:35 AM lcvette: ]what do you use?
11:35 AM lcvette: path pilot?
11:35 AM lcvette: :)
11:36 AM skunkworks: axis
11:36 AM lcvette: ah
11:37 AM skunkworks: probably like the first dr who you watch is your favorite. That was the first linuxcnc gui I used. Still like it.
11:37 AM lcvette: when i first loaded them all i played with a few different screens from the sim
11:37 AM lcvette: i really liked touchy
11:38 AM skunkworks: touchy is cool too.
11:38 AM lcvette: i liked the big buttons
11:38 AM lcvette: but i wished it had a little more graphical representation
11:39 AM lcvette: my friend cnc4xr7 designs mach3 screensets, he is very good at the back end
11:39 AM lcvette: and i do alot of design work for the front side of it for him in solid works with renderings
11:40 AM lcvette: i wish he would learn to use linuxcnc and build screens
11:40 AM lcvette: but i fear it is more complicated than in mach3
11:45 AM skunkworks: take a look at https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/32678-hazzy-another-touchscreen-gui?limitstart=0
11:45 AM skunkworks: hazzy-dev: is on irc
11:45 AM skunkworks: it is pathpilotish
11:46 AM lcvette: oh yeah?
11:46 AM lcvette: looking now......
11:46 AM hazzy-dev: Hi lcvette
11:47 AM skunkworks: he may be a robot though...
11:47 AM hazzy-dev: I have not had the time to finish the UI yet, but I do use it on my mill so it does kinda work :)
11:47 AM skunkworks: (he started from the mach3 side also)
11:47 AM hazzy-dev: skunkworks: You never know ...
11:51 AM lcvette: hazzy-dev_: that looks AWESOME!!!!!
11:51 AM hazzy-dev: thank you!
11:52 AM lcvette: you need help
11:52 AM skunkworks: hazzy-dev: no pressure...
11:52 AM lcvette: i need to put you in touch wiht my friend Sam
11:52 AM hazzy-dev: lcvette: Do you want to become a hazzy-dev??
11:52 AM hazzy-dev: :D
11:52 AM lcvette: he is new to lnux though
11:53 AM lcvette: but very well versed in mach3 screen building
11:53 AM jesseg: while we're talking about new touch screen interfaces, here's what my bro is working on: http://videoflier.com/movies/1520058715060165967297
11:53 AM lcvette: me? i'd love to learn
11:53 AM jesseg: :P
11:53 AM hazzy-dev: Oh, that would be great! I am good with coding but the UI design is what kills me, I over think everything
11:54 AM lcvette: man if you need someon to bounce ideas off, im your guy
11:54 AM lcvette: I do that for sam all the time
11:55 AM hazzy-dev: I like that LCD looking interface!
11:55 AM skunkworks: sam?
11:55 AM skunkworks: skunkworks is sam
11:55 AM lcvette: he actually started asking me things and i started designing up graphics in solidworks for him to use in mach3
11:55 AM lcvette: lol
11:55 AM jthornton: hazzy: looking good
11:55 AM lcvette: for atc and probing etc
11:55 AM lcvette: but im not sure if that is how linux works
11:55 AM lcvette: with images etc
11:56 AM jesseg: Linux works just like anything else, only more so :P
11:57 AM hazzy-dev: lcvette: You may have noticed there are two versions of hazzy, the first uses images for everything like a mach3 screen set, the second uses CSS style sheets, which is more versatile
11:57 AM hazzy-dev: jesseg: Its mote simple than that, linux just works
11:57 AM hazzy-dev: :)
11:58 AM jesseg: :D
11:58 AM jthornton: ah well lunch minute is over so back to work for me
11:58 AM lcvette: i did not notice, let me go back through and look again
11:59 AM skunkworks: it is mostly magic when it works.
12:00 PM lcvette: as a new linux user.. to me right now at least i am convinced there is some pxy dust involved in making linux bend to your will
12:00 PM skunkworks: I am mostly a power 'user' http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/lotsrunning.png
12:02 PM hazzy-dev: lcvette, when I have time to work in hazzy again I will bounce some ideas off you, thanks!
12:02 PM * hazzy-dev goes back to work
12:03 PM lcvette_: awesome!! no worries im here! and very excited that looks amazing!
12:07 PM jesseg: skunkworks, oh cool xfce :D
12:09 PM gloops: skunkworks is one of the Freecad developers lcvette
12:13 PM gloops: right, im having one go at fixing planer thicknesser roller, bar diameter is 26mm, rubber radiator hose comes in 25mm internal diamter, with a bit of luck this might just work
12:13 PM gloops: when the hose arrives
12:18 PM jesseg: skunkworks, hahaha colors for sale...? That's a colorful idea :D
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:19 PM jesseg: howdy IchGucksLive
12:21 PM jesseg: the sad part is most government office purchasers probably would go and buy colors for their department's websites :P
12:24 PM lcvette_: thats awesome! Skunkworks thats pretty impressive sir!
12:24 PM skunkworks: jesseg: college project that I never changed..
12:24 PM skunkworks: from years and years ago
12:25 PM jesseg: skunkworks makes a nice cover page :D
12:25 PM lcvette_: indeed
12:25 PM jesseg: did you actually get people to buy color, or was it just an exercise in HTML?
12:25 PM jesseg: I mean I can practically see some government offices purchasing colors for their websites LOL
12:25 PM skunkworks: exercise in html/java script iirc
12:26 PM jesseg: yeah that's what I figured when it asked for my name and displayed it in the corner :D
12:26 PM skunkworks: I don't know if the email was lagit... So I don't think I ever recieved anything
12:26 PM skunkworks: legit.
12:27 PM skunkworks: it isn't
12:27 PM jesseg: lol
12:28 PM Loetmichel: btw: $me just drove a brandnew merc sprinter "maximumsize" with 140hp... yesm it does 100mph... but takes AAAGES to get there... i once drove the 230hp sprinter, that was a LOT quicker to go up to 115mph. also the useable rpms of that diesel arent that great. hat to shift constantly between 4th, 5th and 6th gear.
12:29 PM Loetmichel: just= this morming, delivering a full load of Thin clients to a customer.
12:29 PM lcvette_: IchGucksLive hi
12:29 PM jesseg: Loetmichel, interesting. I've only been in one sprinter, but it had good get up and go once we got it fixed to where the computer wasn't going into "limp home mode"
12:30 PM lcvette_: nice videos! watchged them last night
12:30 PM JT-Shop: weed wacking is no longer the most hated chore
12:30 PM lcvette_: thanks for sharing
12:31 PM lcvette_: JT-Shop Debian Wheezy
12:31 PM Loetmichel: jesseg: there are a lot of different engines for the sprinter
12:31 PM lcvette_: before i forget
12:31 PM Loetmichel: i think the 140hp engine is simply a bit to small for that big box
12:32 PM Loetmichel: sorry, jesseg, not JT-Shop
12:32 PM hazzy-dev: Loetmichel: My sister has 8 kids, and a sprinter. I drove the sprinter 12000 miles on a camping trip with them last summer and that thing could haul ass in the mountains fully loaded
12:32 PM jesseg: Loetmichel, yeah no doubt. This was a 5 inline. Don't know the size but it was turbo charged of course
12:32 PM hazzy-dev: it was governed to 160 kmh, unfortunately
12:33 PM rmu: skunkworks: in your screenshot, you have oracle vm virtualbox running windows, and there is a fusion360 shortcut on the desktop. how is performance (graphics) in a virtual box? is it "laggy"?
12:33 PM Loetmichel: "mine" (rental) could have been in a "limp mode though.
12:33 PM gloops: the old 5 cylinder was the best Loetmichel
12:33 PM Loetmichel: it had 660km on the odo when i got it from the rental
12:33 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, lunch minute doesn't start for another 2
12:33 PM Tom_L: you must be ahead of schedule today
12:34 PM Loetmichel: maybe it had a "run in limiter" active
12:34 PM skunkworks: rmu: it ran pretty good. I have used it that way and until recently (stretch) it doesn't scold me that the graphics is too slow.
12:34 PM gloops: then there was the 311cdi - 2.2 litre, nice engine but knew it had a load on
12:34 PM gloops: the 313cdi was better
12:34 PM Tom_L: lcvette_ do you build cars too then?
12:34 PM jesseg: hazzy, wow 12k miles?! that's a lot of driving... like a hundred hours of driving..? Just where did you drive to? and from :D
12:34 PM skunkworks: rmu: currently I can't use it though. virtualbox doesn't seem to play well with the rt_preempt.
12:35 PM lcvette_: yessir
12:35 PM lcvette_: thats my business
12:35 PM skunkworks: kernel panics on boots.
12:35 PM Tom_L: for nascar?
12:35 PM jesseg: Loetmichel, well, in limp mode, this one limited RPM to like 2500 or something and you could only reach about 40mph on level ground.. totally gutless.
12:35 PM lcvette_: no
12:35 PM lcvette_: those guys don't know how to turn right
12:35 PM Tom_L: been to a few of the shops out there
12:35 PM skunkworks: rmu: I am using kvm now - which doesn't perform as well
12:35 PM rmu: skunkworks: conceptually, that is to be expected
12:36 PM skunkworks: rmu: it worked mostly as long as I didn't have to reboot. rebooting was flakey at best.
12:36 PM lcvette_: primarily rag racing and road course
12:36 PM rmu: skunkworks: if the oracle vbox kernel driver does not know that any lock can be preempted it can't work ;)
12:36 PM lcvette_: drag
12:36 PM Tom_L: my bud does that
12:37 PM gloops: limp mode disables the turbo on the sprinter
12:37 PM Tom_L: couple of em
12:37 PM skunkworks: rmu: that is how I understood the issue.
12:37 PM skunkworks: rmu: you hit the nail on the head.
12:37 PM skunkworks: never found a good solution
12:37 PM Loetmichel: jesseg: i meant: i may have had some "accelerator limiter" in place for the first 100km or so
12:37 PM jesseg: gloops, limp mode on this sprinter also enforced a hard limit on the RPM
12:37 PM rmu: separate machine for CNC?
12:37 PM jesseg: Loetmichel, oh that could be
12:38 PM Loetmichel: 1000km of course
12:38 PM lcvette_: its a fun business to be in
12:38 PM lcvette_: very competetive
12:38 PM skunkworks: rmu: this is my laptop I used for testing configs and such. It runs rt_preemt really well
12:38 PM hazzy-dev: jesseg: Drove from Montreal to Washington state, down the coast to south CA camping on the beach the whole way, then grand canyon, mountains in Co and NM and then to St. Louis then to GA and back up the east coast to Montreal. Camping the whole way, with 8 kids ranging from 16 yr to 6 month old
12:38 PM hazzy-dev: It was an experience ...
12:38 PM gloops: well, theres a sensor on the clutch pedal, that does the same as limp mode, if you start the van and try revving it - rev to 3500 i think, then stops, no turbo - wont you you rev the nuts off it standing
12:38 PM JT-Shop: lcvette_: yea I read that this morning
12:38 PM rmu: skunkworks: for testing, i just use "simulation" and mostly don't care about latency...
12:38 PM skunkworks: if I was really engergetic I would have 2 kernels - realtime and non realtime and boot accordinly
12:39 PM gloops: but if you depress the clutch and let it back up - you got full revs
12:39 PM rmu: naaah, rebooting is evil ;)
12:39 PM rene-dev_: there is nothing you cant do with rt preempt that you can do with a stock kernel, I belive
12:39 PM jesseg: hazzy-dev, yeah that sounds like a blast.
12:39 PM skunkworks: rmu: I connect to real hardware usualy. (like mesa ethernet)
12:39 PM gloops: i had sprinters for donkeys year heh
12:39 PM lcvette_: JT-Shop_: ok good
12:39 PM skunkworks: so I gave up for now. - just use kvm and deal with it. I use freecad a lot now.
12:40 PM rmu: rene-dev_: virtual box and IIRC vmware don't work with rt preempt
12:40 PM gloops: the last generation that came out i used one for a few weeks, got stuck on a steep drive and busy road to get out onto - clutch burnt up in minutes
12:40 PM * JT-Shop has yet to figure out freecad
12:41 PM rene-dev_: rmu use kvm then, I think you can even run realtime tasks inside kvm
12:41 PM skunkworks: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/11286
12:41 PM rene-dev_: putting kvm and rt preempt into google gave some scary results I didnt expect
12:41 PM skunkworks: that is mostly the issue that doesn't seem to be fixed
12:41 PM rmu: skunkworks: is one ethernet interface sufficient for testing? or do you use wired ethernet for mesa and wireless for other networking?
12:41 PM lcvette_: back in 30, need to pickup lunch
12:42 PM skunkworks: rmu: yes - wired for mesa and wireless for everything else
12:42 PM skunkworks: rene-dev_: kvm works but doesn't seem to have the video performance of virtualbox. (atleast I have not figured it out)
12:43 PM rene-dev_: use gpu passthru
12:43 PM rene-dev_: skunkworks https://looking-glass.hostfission.com/
12:44 PM skunkworks: rene-dev_: I will revisit that. I think I was over my head the last time I tried.
12:45 PM rmu: hehe... that would be an interesting hack. My notebook has 2 GPUs, I could passthrough one of them into the vbox
12:45 PM lcvette_: does memory effect latency?
12:45 PM lcvette_: type/amount?
12:46 PM Tom_L: it probably has small effect on it but not a major one that i'm aware of
12:46 PM rene-dev_: skunkworks this uses some kvm based software: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opX-AsJ5Uy8
12:46 PM rmu: lcvette_: no
12:46 PM lcvette_: DDR3-1333, DDR3L-1333 @ 1.5V
12:46 PM lcvette_: supported types by the new cpu
12:46 PM lcvette_: either or
12:46 PM lcvette_: ?
12:47 PM rmu: rene-dev_: you are the creator of stmbl?
12:47 PM Tom_L: ddr3 should be fine
12:47 PM lcvette_: cool
12:47 PM lcvette_: brand recommendation?
12:47 PM rene-dev_: rmu yes
12:47 PM lcvette_: preference?
12:47 PM Tom_L: i've used several brands
12:47 PM Tom_L: doesn't seem to matter much
12:47 PM lcvette_: ok 8gb
12:48 PM rmu: rene-dev_: really great stuff. I wanted to build one and noticed while looking at the BOM that the IRAM IGBT module is EOLd
12:48 PM Tom_L: as long as it plugs in the board
12:48 PM lcvette_: ok
12:48 PM pcw_home: One large determiner of LinuxCNC latency is CPU cache size
12:48 PM Tom_L: i usually go with whatever is cheap
12:49 PM pcw_home: (at least with Preempt-RT)
12:49 PM rene-dev_: rmu there are 2 replacement modules that are still available: https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl/issues/91
12:49 PM Tom_L: pcw_home that's part of the cpu isn't it?
12:49 PM pcw_home: yes
12:49 PM rene-dev_: and we are working on the next generation with a different module
12:50 PM lcvette_: pcw-home_: i bought the G3258 and ASRock H97M Pro4 Mobo
12:50 PM Tom_L: what ssd?
12:51 PM rmu: rene-dev_: probably it is mostly a matter of changed layout to adapt other IGBT module?
12:51 PM lcvette_: corsair 120gb
12:51 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure how reliable corsair are
12:51 PM lcvette_: ok tell me what to get
12:51 PM Tom_L: i'm using samsung now
12:51 PM Tom_L: mostly
12:51 PM lcvette_: ok i'll get a samsung
12:51 PM Tom_L: umm..
12:51 PM lcvette_: any particular model?
12:51 PM Tom_L: umm..
12:51 PM rmu: rene-dev_: will put off servo drive experiments for now and wait for version 5 ;-) maybe can help testing
12:52 PM Tom_L: last one i got was an 860 evo
12:52 PM lcvette_: ok
12:52 PM Tom_L: i think it superseeds the 850 evo
12:52 PM Tom_L: which i also have
12:52 PM lcvette_: ok
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
12:52 PM Tom_L: you can try the corsair
12:52 PM Tom_L: i've got a tiny one i use for testing
12:54 PM lcvette_: internal?
12:54 PM Tom_L: yeah
12:55 PM Tom_L: i've got one M2 960 evo iirc
12:55 PM Tom_L: MB mount
12:59 PM lcvette_: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07864YNTZ?aaxitk=6t4H7heMRSI3.WlougVXHw&pd_rd_i=B07864YNTZ&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=5582544217303223519&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-top-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_i=samsung+860+evo+internal&hsa_cr_id=5290918810201
01:00 PM Tom_L: does the motherboard support M2?
01:00 PM Tom_L: i've got the 1tb 960
01:01 PM MarcelineVQ: that's a sata ssd so it's fine, my evo's have lasted really well so that would be my reccomendation as well
01:01 PM lcvette_: https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H97M%20Pro4/
01:02 PM lcvette_: i don't see it
01:02 PM Tom_L: i'g get a regular 2.5" ssd, i don't see M2 support there
01:02 PM Tom_L: 850 / 860 evo are good
01:02 PM lcvette_: ok
01:03 PM Tom_L: the M2 doesn't seem that much faster to me
01:03 PM lcvette_: https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-250GB-Internal-MZ-76E250B-AM/dp/B07864WMK8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526318874&sr=8-1&keywords=samsung+860+evo+2.5
01:03 PM MarcelineVQ: lcvette_: you should use a price aggregator over a specific site when possible, e.g. https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#t=0&sort=ppgb&m=32&f=3
01:03 PM MarcelineVQ: unless the best price is on that specific site anyway hehe
01:04 PM MarcelineVQ: in america it probably is come to think of it
01:04 PM Tom_L: that would be fine
01:04 PM Tom_L: you're likely not gonna do much else on that pc anyway
01:04 PM lcvette_: yeah plus free 2 day delivery
01:04 PM lcvette_: hard to beat
01:05 PM lcvette_: ok, orderd
01:05 PM lcvette_: should i use samsung memopry to match
01:05 PM Tom_L: gawd i like spending other ppl's money :D
01:05 PM MarcelineVQ: hoho
01:05 PM Tom_L: doesn't matter
01:06 PM skunkworks: rene-dev_: have you tried looking glass?
01:06 PM skunkworks: windows 10 only.. but that would be ok - I would only really be using it for fusion
01:07 PM Tom_L: lcvette_, kingston, g.skill etc are fine
01:07 PM MarcelineVQ: lcvette_: lowest price with highest speed, and given two equal options the tie breaker is the lower CAS, is pretty much all that matters for memory
01:07 PM MarcelineVQ: and given the job of the computer I doubt it matters all that much in any case
01:08 PM MarcelineVQ: and the typeof course, but your motherboard will tell you thatt
01:09 PM lcvette_: DDR3 1333 DIMM
01:09 PM lcvette_: memory is confusing
01:10 PM MarcelineVQ: says 1600/1333/1066 are all fine for this board https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#sort=ppgb&s=301066,301333,301600&page=1
01:11 PM lcvette_: cpu says ddr3 1333
01:11 PM MarcelineVQ: which cpu are you going with?
01:11 PM lcvette_: https://ark.intel.com/products/82723/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G3258-3M-Cache-3_20-GHz
01:13 PM Tom_L: make sure it's the right pinout
01:14 PM Tom_L: the memory that is
01:14 PM lcvette_: yeah im uncertain it doesn't say in the list on the website
01:14 PM Tom_L: look up the motherboard pdf
01:15 PM MarcelineVQ: I'm pretty sure that 1333 rating on the cpu is nonsense
01:15 PM MarcelineVQ: you should be able to set that to 1600 in the bios since the mobo supports it
01:16 PM lcvette_: 240 pin
01:18 PM lcvette_: looks like it needs 2 sticks or 4 sticks
01:18 PM lcvette_: so i need DDR3 1333 DIMM 240PIN 4gb x2
01:19 PM MarcelineVQ: you don't have to use two but two is better since mobos are pretty much all dual channel
01:20 PM Tom_L: https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=DDR3+1333+DIMM+240PIN&N=-1&isNodeId=1
01:20 PM MarcelineVQ: not all that much better though
01:20 PM gloops: dont think more than 4 gig will be utilised anyway?
01:21 PM Tom_L: i doubt it
01:21 PM pcw_home: if you have 14 videos playing...
01:22 PM MarcelineVQ: I wouldn't get less than 8 gigs these days on a persnal computer but I assume this is just his cnc controller
01:22 PM lcvette_: yeah cnc controller
01:23 PM lcvette_: but i don't wanna under memory it
01:23 PM lcvette_: one and done this time
01:23 PM Tom_L: you're not
01:23 PM lcvette_: no corners cut
01:23 PM Tom_L: iirc, i've got 4g on my mill
01:23 PM Tom_L: maybe even 2
01:24 PM MarcelineVQ: Ah I was wrong the cpu does limit the ram speed. I've had k models long enough that it was never an issue for me so it didn't come up
01:24 PM gloops: http://www.linuxlookup.com/howto/use_more_4gb_memory_ubuntu_linux_32_bit
01:24 PM lcvette_: so 1333?
01:24 PM lcvette_: yes?
01:25 PM MarcelineVQ: yes
01:25 PM Tom_L: yeah
01:25 PM lcvette_: ok
01:25 PM MarcelineVQ: you can buy higher if it's a better deal, but it'll only run at 1333
01:25 PM miss0r: good evening
01:25 PM pcw_home: 32 bit? thats prehistoric man...
01:25 PM gloops: im historic, i still work
01:25 PM gloops: just haha
01:25 PM * Tom_L wonders if gloops is prehistoric
01:25 PM MarcelineVQ: hmm? it's not 32 bit, it's a haswell
01:26 PM gloops: oh i thought he said he was using 32 bit
01:28 PM Tom_L: lcvette_, what size linear rails does that machine have?
01:28 PM fragalot: well that was fun
01:28 PM lcvette_: 40mm
01:28 PM Tom_L: what about the screws?
01:29 PM gloops: whats happened fragalot?
01:29 PM fragalot: kitchen boiler sprung a leak last night
01:29 PM lcvette_: 8GB DDR3 1333Mhz 240Pin DIMM Desktop RAM Memory
01:29 PM fragalot: replaced it just now, and i'm not sure how, but every single fitting felt like it cold-welded
01:29 PM lcvette_: https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-FURY-2x4GB-1333MHz/dp/B00J8E912M/ref=sr_1_4?rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1526320343&sr=8-4&keywords=8GB+DDR3+1333Mhz+240Pin+DIMM+Desktop+RAM+Memory&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011
01:30 PM lcvette_: looks nice
01:30 PM gloops: brass fragalot?
01:30 PM fragalot: gloops: Indeed, but i've never had this happen when they were fitted with loctite teflon thread
01:31 PM fragalot: had to use the big boy pliers :P
01:31 PM gloops: maybe some old thread sealing compound baked or something
01:32 PM gloops: 24 inch stilsons are hand
01:32 PM gloops: y
01:32 PM gloops: (pipe wrench)
01:32 PM fragalot: gloops: pipe wrenches suck for fittings
01:32 PM gloops: they dont suck for getting them off
01:32 PM fragalot: I used a pair of knipex 86 03 400
01:32 PM fragalot: they do, they crush them
01:33 PM gloops: lol, you havent got the technique
01:33 PM fragalot: and they're too wide to get into the tight corners :P
01:34 PM fragalot: I do - but I know there are better tools for the job
01:35 PM gregcnc: https://madison.craigslist.org/tls/d/lathe-live-center/6588472753.html
01:36 PM jesseg: lol I think that's too big for my lathe :P
01:38 PM gloops: interesting curio https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lathe-Rotating-Cutting-Tool/253610807306?
01:40 PM gregcnc: that live center isn't a live center
01:40 PM miss0r: fragalot: You know what pisses me off with google sketchup ? Theres no real circles...
01:41 PM fragalot: lol
01:42 PM fragalot: you're lucky if that's the only thing pissing you off
01:42 PM miss0r: and if you forget that fact, and just use the circles without defining anything, they come out as 24-sided lumbs of shoit
01:42 PM miss0r: I am a very calm person...
01:42 PM fragalot: xD
01:48 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Job-Lot-of-3x-Cast-Iron-Cubes-Milling-Drilling-Engineering-Tools/392039973726?
01:48 PM gloops: cheap, very cheap
01:48 PM miss0r: fragalot: I need some new stones. Can you recommend something I haven't tried, that is good but not too costly?
01:52 PM fragalot: miss0r: what grit?
01:52 PM fragalot: and what are their main use going to be
01:53 PM miss0r: fragalot: medium & fine - Cleaning up machine surfaces
01:53 PM fragalot: gloops: That is indeed cheap, though I wonder what the shipping will be.
01:55 PM miss0r: but those are drilled straight to kingdom come
01:55 PM fragalot: miss0r: alright, so you want something hard wearing then, BESTER is a medium hardness and quite affordable, suehiro is harder and not too expensive.
01:55 PM miss0r: dealer?
01:55 PM fragalot: fine-tools.com
01:57 PM miss0r: looking good :)
02:01 PM MarcelineVQ: slightly off-topic but I just got the automatic watering for the garden done up and it's quite exciting, lines buried just below the soil set for short but often for this crazy sunny may
02:02 PM MarcelineVQ: The garden is so far ahead this year it's unreal, so having consistent watering should make for some pretty crazy plants
02:04 PM fragalot: yeah the plants that didn't die when it froze again after a warm spout are doing great
02:15 PM miss0r: Using a 2mm carbide ball endmill do drill a blind hole in a HSS blank. Chances of success slim to none :D
02:18 PM rmu: miss0r: you could wire-edm it
02:18 PM rmu: miss0r: see jeri ellsworth youtube video ;)
02:19 PM miss0r: sure. But I don't have a wire edm :) and my EDM 'hole puncher' is not acurate enough
02:19 PM fragalot: YET.
02:19 PM fragalot: you don't have a wire EDM _yet_. :P
02:20 PM fragalot: also - pre-drilling is your friend
02:20 PM miss0r: I haven't gotten around to building one _yet_ :)
02:20 PM miss0r: Problem is, I don't have a carbide drill that small
02:20 PM fragalot: they're cheap enough
02:21 PM miss0r: sure... but as always, I want it done naaauuw
02:21 PM fragalot: alright. Enjoy the wobble :)
02:22 PM miss0r: why, thank you good sir :D
02:24 PM roycroft: https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/d/eltee-pulsitron-edm-tr30/6573809549.html
02:24 PM roycroft: there's a nice little edm
02:25 PM * fragalot swims over to pick it up
02:25 PM lcvette_: 2mm ball endmill to drill a hole
02:25 PM lcvette_: thats some fun
02:25 PM lcvette_: what machine?
02:26 PM fragalot: lcvette_: http://www.dilegnosupply.com/_images/Drilling-Boring/breast%20drill2.JPG
02:26 PM miss0r: lcvette_: on a maho 500c
02:26 PM lcvette_: hahahaha
02:27 PM miss0r: roughly the same as your link ;)
02:27 PM lcvette_: the laugh was for fragalot
02:27 PM lcvette_: that should be some fun drilling
02:28 PM lcvette_: looks like it is plenty beefy enough'good spindle runout?
02:28 PM lcvette_: tool in tool holder nice and true?
02:28 PM lcvette_: crank up the revs and go after it
02:30 PM miss0r: Yeah. we shall see how this turns out :)
02:30 PM lcvette_: video
02:30 PM lcvette_: how many spare endmills do you have?
02:31 PM lcvette_: and do you need that endmill for anything else if its your only one
02:33 PM fragalot: should be alright with 2 endmills per hole :p
02:49 PM lcvette_: ooooh.. im reading i need thermal paste for the cpu
02:49 PM lcvette_: any recomendations?
02:49 PM lcvette_: or is it all the same
02:52 PM Tom_L: the cpu should come with a patch on the bottom of it
02:52 PM roycroft: it's all similar
02:53 PM Tom_L: err the heatsink
02:55 PM miss0r: fragalot: ye of little faith!
02:55 PM miss0r: 16 holes done, ON THE SAME ENDMILL !
02:55 PM lcvette_: nice!
02:55 PM lcvette_: and thats good to know!
02:55 PM lcvette_: it is supposed to be a brand new cpu
02:55 PM lcvette_: with heatsink and fan
02:55 PM miss0r: floodcoolant, and handfeed works wonders :D
02:55 PM lcvette_: so hopefully it does
03:00 PM fragalot: miss0r: ...really?
03:09 PM miss0r: ... no
03:09 PM miss0r: :D
03:10 PM miss0r: well, I completed all the holes with the same endmill. I have just now found that I started with nice 2.05 ish holes and ended up with 1.7mm holes in the end
03:10 PM miss0r: *sigh*
03:10 PM gregcnc: ?
03:10 PM miss0r: but, this can be easily fixed with plunging another endmill
03:10 PM rmu: miss0r: sounds like flow drilling ;)
03:10 PM miss0r: gregcnc: drilling HSS blanks with a carbide ballnose endmill
03:10 PM gregcnc: hard hss?
03:11 PM miss0r: rmu: hardly.. more like grind drilling
03:11 PM gregcnc: needs those straight flute drills
03:11 PM rmu: grinding the drill
03:12 PM fragalot: miss0r: :-)
03:12 PM miss0r: fragalot: but trying with the few good ones that came out of it, I can see that I have miscalculated the angles.. I can only get about 2mm travel, anymore than that(retract more than that) it locks up
03:12 PM fragalot: I thought they looked a tad short
03:13 PM miss0r: Yeah, but that is the maximum length I can have with the current gear setup
03:13 PM miss0r: I'll need to come up with another gearing solution it seems
03:13 PM fragalot: the gear can stay, needs another layer on top of it.. something with a nice shape
03:14 PM miss0r: Basically I just need to move the anchor points closer to the center
03:14 PM fragalot: yeah
03:15 PM miss0r: That also makes it look more complicated, with longer linkage arms :D
03:15 PM miss0r: I'll call it a night. see you guys around
03:16 PM fragalot: cya
03:20 PM * JT-Shop has to give up on this project... I don't think I have an 8-36 tap anywhere
03:21 PM gregcnc: such a sensible thread
03:21 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Semco-turret-mill-Allen-Bradley-Powerflex-40-Sawmach250-bench-grinder/232767751114?
03:22 PM gloops: mill, cut off saw etc, job lot ..not much interest yet
03:22 PM JT-Shop: NF thread
03:30 PM fragalot: JT-Shop: freehand thread mill time!
03:33 PM * hazzy-dev has never seen an end mill in a boring head before ...
03:34 PM hazzy-dev: Guess it would work for surfacing
03:35 PM hazzy-dev: gloops: cold saw looks good
03:38 PM gloops: hazzy yeah looks useful, probably fetch a decent price in the end
03:39 PM hazzy-dev: .weather
03:40 PM hazzy-dev: huh?
03:40 PM hazzy-dev: ees the birdy sleeping?
03:40 PM * fragalot whistles innocently
03:40 PM hazzy-dev: lol
03:42 PM Roguish: hazzy-dev: hey how's that GUI ?
03:43 PM hazzy-dev: Roguish: I have not had any time to work in it :(
03:44 PM hazzy-dev: and my A/C break is over, back out to the 90F shop
03:45 PM gloops: 90f...pff
03:46 PM Roguish: how's the humidity?
03:46 PM Roguish: 90+ ??3
03:46 PM XXCoder: hazzy-dev: is outside cooler than interior?
03:47 PM pcw_mesa: hazzy-dev: just tested a 7I76's analog inputs (with a 10V reference source) and get less than a LSB (8 bit) of A-D reading shift with -51C freeze mist on entire I/O section so ~70C delta T
03:47 PM pcw_mesa: Is it possible your source is varying or that you have some kind of board contamination?
03:52 PM jesseg: wow 90F would really stink in a shop. salt water dripping on everything you touch, hard to think what you're doing, etc :P
03:53 PM jesseg: I think Id be tempted to insulate and refrigerate
04:00 PM JT-Shop: fragalot: kinda hard to tap a hole that small on a lathe without a tap
04:05 PM XXCoder: jesseg: try 105F
04:05 PM XXCoder: shop reached that 2 years ago
04:06 PM XXCoder: humidity was insane also
04:06 PM XXCoder: I was working on machine that had probably 130F inside, because it was cutting very hard metal
04:06 PM XXCoder: so I had to carefully aim fan so air dont reach my face as I change part or remove/insert tool
04:07 PM XXCoder: I could really feel heat boundary on my arms as I do that
04:07 PM XXCoder: makes 105F feels cool
04:08 PM XXCoder: lst year was tame thankfully, but this one seems will be as hot. "yay"
04:12 PM XXCoder: interesting https://www.popsci.com/aluminum-apple
04:15 PM gloops: oxygen is lethal to most life
04:15 PM SpeedEvil: Highly misleading as a lot of the energy used is functionally CO2
04:16 PM SpeedEvil: “It takes about a half pound of carbon to be consumed in the production of about a pound of aluminum,”
04:16 PM XXCoder: well this cuts out the local production
04:16 PM XXCoder: it says nothing about power source co2 generation
04:16 PM XXCoder: its because its possible shop is using solar panels as much as can. alum does need massive amount of power
04:17 PM gloops: oxygen is pretty terrible really, it reacts with almost everything
04:17 PM XXCoder: so basically it used to "double dip" on co2 generation, power source and local production process. this new process its only power source
04:17 PM XXCoder: gloops: sure but then co2 is far more damaging
04:18 PM gloops: plants like it
04:18 PM XXCoder: up to a point
04:18 PM gloops: co2 is a good gas, a green gas
04:21 PM jesseg: yeah plants eat it up like candy and in fact without co2 there'd be no trees :P
04:21 PM XXCoder: jesseg: like I said, up to a point
04:21 PM gloops: in the primordial soup, there were literally thousands of different types of RNA - all killed by oxygen
04:21 PM XXCoder: then it stops working
04:22 PM SpeedEvil: The worldwide average of production is 15kWh/kg of aluminium. The US average is 0.7kg carbon dioxide/kWh or so, or 10kg of CO2/kg of aluminium, or 3kg of carbon per kg of aluminium.
04:22 PM gloops: life would be so diverse if hadnt been for that gas
04:22 PM SpeedEvil: So,it's around a 10% change tops, assuming the process is of equal efficiency.
04:22 PM XXCoder: gloops: I never said it was not.
04:22 PM XXCoder: just that too much really affects earth
04:23 PM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: is that figure with or without the recycled aluminium included?
04:23 PM SpeedEvil: That is virgin
04:23 PM SpeedEvil: Carbon is not used in the production of recycled aluminium.
04:23 PM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: besides power source, nope
04:23 PM Loetmichel: what i meant is that aluminium is 100% recycleable
04:24 PM SpeedEvil: Somewhat - foils canbe very hard to recycle.
04:24 PM Loetmichel: so a lot of the "new" aluminium isnt, and uses a LOT less energy if you average it.
04:24 PM XXCoder: Loetmichel: did you see article I posted? soon there will be carbon-free way to make new alum out of ore
04:25 PM roycroft: actually, a significant amount of carbon IS used in recycling aluminium in many places
04:25 PM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: It's not carbon free.
04:25 PM XXCoder: so whats left is power side.
04:25 PM roycroft: aluminium is processed with electricity - lots and lots of electricity
04:25 PM XXCoder: lots power panels and its finally carbonb-free way to make
04:25 PM gloops: why dont we invent something to fix carbon from air
04:26 PM pcw_mesa: trees
04:26 PM roycroft: and most electricity is still produced from carbon-based fuels
04:26 PM gloops: oh yeah trees
04:26 PM roycroft: we don't need to
04:26 PM XXCoder: gloops: its called plants. thing is we need to grow stuff and bury it. ie: make new future oil
04:26 PM Loetmichel: XXCoder: easy. put a big solar cell power plant near the aluminium plant and put both somewhere always sunny
04:26 PM roycroft: we alread have such sequestration things
04:26 PM SpeedEvil: XXCoder: If you can supply the power to make aluminium, adding 10% more generationand pushing it to the grid gives you almost precisely the same benefit CO2wise
04:26 PM roycroft: they're called "trees"
04:26 PM roycroft: what we need to do is stop cutting them all down
04:26 PM XXCoder: if we use plants we arent fixing carbon away
04:26 PM Deejay: gn8
04:26 PM Loetmichel: or use water power
04:26 PM XXCoder: roycroft: trees can only grab co2 up to a point
04:26 PM gloops: photosynthesis
04:26 PM XXCoder: then it stops grabbing more
04:27 PM roycroft: sure
04:27 PM roycroft: and more trees means more co2 can be grabbed
04:27 PM XXCoder: because even gulluton cant eat more than guts can hold
04:27 PM gloops: dont rely on trees, make artificial photosynthesis
04:27 PM SpeedEvil: Plus you need to store wood in a shed, preserved.
04:27 PM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: that "add to the grid" only works to a certain point
04:27 PM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: sure
04:27 PM XXCoder: roycroft: if we were serious we would use bamboo, its very fast growing and grabs far more carbon
04:27 PM Loetmichel: thats the reason why aluminium plants are close to big power plants
04:27 PM XXCoder: and it literally grows like grass
04:27 PM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: but to a large degree it's fungible.
04:27 PM roycroft: i have bamboo growing in my back yard
04:28 PM roycroft: it is great for screening
04:28 PM Loetmichel: you would a MUCH bigger grid to shove that kind of energy across the country
04:28 PM XXCoder: I want bamboo but its hard to control
04:28 PM roycroft: it's not hard to control at all
04:28 PM roycroft: if you're really lazy you get clumping bamboo, which does not spread, period
04:28 PM XXCoder: other way would be algae reactors, and we bury result or use it into say plastics
04:29 PM roycroft: if you get the spreading kind, it's still easy to control
04:29 PM XXCoder: ya isnt clumping type grow up to say 9 feet radius?
04:29 PM Loetmichel: Deejay here in the channel does just that: he grows "miscahnthus", a kind of small bamboo/reed for energy/hose box bedding
04:29 PM Loetmichel: he is a farmer ;)
04:29 PM XXCoder: cool
04:30 PM roycroft: all you have to do is break down the emerging culms where you don't want them to grow
04:30 PM gloops: plant japanese knotweed everywhere
04:30 PM roycroft: if you then separate the rhizomes by slicing through them, they tend not to try to grow in that direction any more
04:30 PM roycroft: bamboo culms only emerge once/year, over the course of a few days
04:31 PM roycroft: it's happening here right now
04:31 PM Loetmichel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscanthus_giganteus <that stuff
04:31 PM roycroft: so for a week, you just go out every day, spend 5 minutes breaking off emerging culms, and then you're done for the year
04:31 PM roycroft: no spreading
04:31 PM roycroft: no problem
04:31 PM Loetmichel: shredded its good as biofuel in furnaces and stuff as well as replacement for straw in horse boxes
04:31 PM XXCoder: interesting
04:32 PM SpeedEvil: I've idly wondered about that as a green roof
04:33 PM XXCoder: could literally grow a grass roof, but you need very good substructure
04:33 PM SpeedEvil: yeah
04:33 PM gloops: just use straw
04:33 PM Loetmichel: gloops: for what?
04:33 PM gloops: japanese knotweed is notifiable here, its the worst plant in the world
04:34 PM gloops: one sprig dropped on the floor roots and takes over in months
04:34 PM gloops: Loetmichel - thatch roof
04:34 PM XXCoder: gloops: heard of that certain breed of plant that makes pototo-like stuff? its insanely bad plant
04:34 PM gloops: it grows through concrete, nothing kills it, its roots are 9 metres deep
04:34 PM XXCoder: but thats worse ow
04:35 PM gloops: XXCoder not seen that one no
04:36 PM roycroft: scotch broom is in full bloom here right now, speaking of invasive species
04:36 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udO6CgFbD_c
04:36 PM XXCoder: in video its killing entire forest
04:36 PM roycroft: and i spent much of this past weekend removing blackberry brambles from my property, speaking of other invasive species
04:37 PM Loetmichel: gloops: i know thatch roofs. i dont like them though. a "green roof" isnt a thatch roof though.
04:38 PM gloops: You can bury Japanese knotweed at the site it’s produced as long as you:
04:38 PM gloops: bury it at a depth of at least 5 metres
04:38 PM gloops: cover the plant remains with a material that does not allow the plant to grow through it (known as a root barrier membrane layer)
04:38 PM gloops: do not bury any other types of waste with it
04:38 PM gloops: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/prevent-japanese-knotweed-from-spreading
04:38 PM XXCoder: ca burn it?
04:39 PM gloops: burning should be ok yeah i would have thought
04:40 PM SpeedEvil: Burning doesn't get the roots
04:40 PM XXCoder: theres really bad weed growing and spreading in canada and usa
04:40 PM XXCoder: forgot what its called, but its very dangerous
04:41 PM SpeedEvil: Devils lettuce?
04:41 PM XXCoder: ah giant hogwood
04:41 PM gloops: yes, youll never get the roots out, only persistent use of systemic weekiller
04:41 PM gloops: roundup lol
04:41 PM XXCoder: https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/giant-hogweed-8-facts-you-must-know-about-the-toxic-plant/
04:41 PM roycroft: roundup is not as biodegradable as was claimed in the past
04:41 PM SpeedEvil: Enough tillage can fuck it up.
04:41 PM roycroft: it is considered a persistent, toxic herbicide now
04:42 PM SpeedEvil: But it's got to be regular so it has no chance to grow for ages.
04:42 PM gloops: giant hogweed yeah we've got some growing in our village
04:42 PM gloops: interesting plant to see, they should get rid of it really
04:42 PM XXCoder: it makes your skin sensive to skin really
04:42 PM XXCoder: err light
04:42 PM XXCoder: gloops: its extremely diffult to remove safely due to that nasty toxic stuff
04:43 PM gloops: i think there have been deaths
04:43 PM XXCoder: and wrong way of removing sopreads seeds around
04:43 PM gloops: kids used the stems for pea-shooters
04:43 PM XXCoder: "The light-sensitive skin reaction causes dark painful blisters that form within 48 hours, and result in scars that can last anywhere from a few months to six years. Touching giant hogweed can also cause long-term sunlight sensitivity, and blindness if sap gets into a person's eye."
04:43 PM XXCoder: ow, gloops
04:44 PM Loetmichel: gloops: we had that giant hogweed in the garden. quite a few actually. they are not THAT poisonus.
04:45 PM XXCoder: ff to work I go laters
04:45 PM roycroft: not to mention it will attack humans and murder them
04:45 PM Loetmichel: and they make GREAT bio bombs for the asshole neighbors english lawn...
04:45 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTuJQL8GBqY
04:45 PM gloops: Loetmichel i dont know really never touched it, isnt it more toxic at a certain point in its life cycle or something
04:45 PM Loetmichel: if you thow a few containers of seeds over the hedge ;)
04:45 PM gloops: lol Loetmichel
04:46 PM Loetmichel: gloops: its a mild irritant
04:46 PM gloops: there was one growing in a ditch here years ago, i actually saw it about half grown maybe, 3 foot high, thought thats a funny plant
04:46 PM roycroft: loetmichel: it can cause scarring severe enough to require hospitalization
04:46 PM gloops: same ditch about 5 years later - wtf!
04:46 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: on adults?
04:46 PM roycroft: yes
04:46 PM Loetmichel: NEVER heard of
04:47 PM roycroft: that it can cause blindness is a myth though
04:47 PM Loetmichel: gloops: let me guess ditch invisible on half a mile?
04:48 PM gloops: Loetmichel like land of the giants, all ditch covered
04:48 PM Loetmichel: thats what i meant ;)
04:48 PM Loetmichel: i know, that stuff grows like "overnight"
04:49 PM * JT-Shop jumps up and down... just got the final check for the tumbler!
04:49 PM gloops: take some getting rid of now, will have seeded everywhere, the seeds probably viable for many years in the soil
04:50 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: the only thing you should NOT do after "playing" with the hogweed is sitting in the sun for hours.
04:50 PM Loetmichel: guranteed to have very bad blisters afterwards
04:50 PM roycroft: it is a phototoxin, yes
04:50 PM Loetmichel: but the plant alone does not that much damage at all
04:50 PM roycroft: uv light activates the toxin
04:51 PM roycroft: if you wash it off immediately without exposure to sunlight the effects are minimal
04:51 PM Loetmichel: indeed
04:52 PM Loetmichel: thats the reason i never had bad blisters although i played as a kid with that stuff every day after school when it was big enough
04:52 PM Loetmichel: it may be not that toxic here in germany though with the less sun
05:12 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop that job was kindof a mess wasn't it?
05:14 PM roycroft: pushd $DocumentRoot;>favicon.ico
05:14 PM roycroft: :)
05:14 PM roycroft: ack, mischan
05:19 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: I sorta expected some issues to rear up but not that much lol, if I build a second one it will be easy
05:20 PM Tom_L: the 500v didn't help any
05:21 PM Tom_L: maybe they'll like it so much they'll want another
05:25 PM JT-Shop: they have a cell that is down because they don't have any way to clean the parts so they NEED one
06:19 PM hazzy-dev: XXCoder: It is a little cooler inside, I have a think concrete slab and it really helps even out the temp throughout the day
06:19 PM hazzy-dev: When it cools down outside in the evening I open the doors
06:26 PM hazzy-dev: pcw_mesa: Thanks for testing the drift!
06:26 PM hazzy-dev: I guess it could be my wiring or pots, but I think I noticed the drift when I was bench testing with a different PC and field power supply
06:27 PM hazzy-dev: I will try to track down exactly where the drift is being introduced next time I run the mill
06:58 PM pfred1: why the puck can't dxf2gcode handle more than 2 decimal places?
07:26 PM pfred1: I need some CAM software that works
07:27 PM tiwake: heh
07:27 PM tiwake: pfred1: isnt there a plugin for freecad?
07:28 PM pfred1: there might be
07:28 PM pfred1: I was using dxf2gcide but the new version is borked
07:28 PM pfred1: dxf2gcode even
07:29 PM pfred1: it won't let me enter more than two digits to the right of the decimal place
07:30 PM gregcnc: in metric 2 places is enough?
07:30 PM tiwake: what about the gcode plugin for inkscape?
07:30 PM pfred1: gregcnc then they shouldn't pretend they support customary units
07:31 PM gregcnc: maybe 3 places is a pay option?
07:31 PM pfred1: it would have saved me a lot of time
07:31 PM pfred1: the shame of it is my old version worked
08:16 PM roycroft: are you allan jude the person who is here right now or allan jude the judebot that is automatically moving about?
08:28 PM * roycroft suspectgs the latter, considering the continuing shuffling and otherwise lack of response
08:28 PM roycroft: ack
08:28 PM roycroft: mischan again
09:07 PM zeeshan: howdy
09:11 PM flyback-: zeeshan, BMCC :P
09:31 PM Tom_L: what's up zeeshan?
09:36 PM zeeshan: not much
09:36 PM zeeshan: you?
09:36 PM Tom_L: not alot goin on tonight
09:37 PM Tom_L: done much with your car lately?
09:37 PM Tom_L: or lathe ;)
09:58 PM zeeshan: not really man
09:58 PM zeeshan: just been working
09:58 PM zeeshan: i picked up some contracts for design work on the side
09:58 PM zeeshan: so super busy