#linuxcnc Logs
May 13 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:11 AM lcvette: ok, so i had a breakthrough kind of thanks to Mr. cmorley on the forum who helped with a player.py file that eliminated a pesky error message about a sound file
12:14 AM lcvette: here is a new pastebin and a few new debug errors. however gmoccapy did manage to load somewhat this time but nothing worked on it and it was a dead screen, had to be terminated
12:14 AM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/RDCKUyE7
12:14 AM lcvette: so mr morley said that the problem with the error message i received that he helped me fix was that it was looking for an older version of python-gst
12:14 AM lcvette: and i had a newer version of python-gst
12:14 AM lcvette: is there a way to return to verify what version the files need?
12:18 AM lcvette: someone also mentioned earlier that they had installed "Image-RT"
12:19 AM lcvette: is this something i was supposed to have done to take care of these nuances?
12:19 AM lcvette: and if so, is this it?
12:19 AM lcvette: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-rt-amd64
12:38 AM gloops: has JT-Shop helped you with this yet lcvette?
12:39 AM lcvette: no
12:40 AM lcvette: im just trying to learn how to try and install that link
12:40 AM lcvette: through the apt method which it recommends
12:41 AM lcvette: i tried sudo apt-get install linux-image-rt-amd64_4.9+80+deb9u4_amd64.deb
12:41 AM lcvette: didn't work
12:41 AM lcvette: thats all that i have in my wheelhouse
12:41 AM lcvette: lol
12:44 AM gloops: not much i can help with, jt-shop, jthornton, tom-l pretty good with this stuff if you can drop on them when they arent busy
12:44 AM lcvette: yup
12:44 AM gloops: you might also get some help with that in #debian or one of the other linux channels
12:45 AM lcvette: im thinking im gonna call it a night here shortly
12:45 AM gloops: im only up to parport standard heh, although your report of 700 ipm was interesting i might have to venture into mesa/servos
12:46 AM gloops: one day
12:46 AM lcvette: lol
12:46 AM lcvette: yeah
12:46 AM lcvette: what machine?
12:46 AM gloops: its only a router
12:46 AM lcvette: linear rails
12:46 AM gloops: sbr 16mm
12:46 AM gloops: its good for 200 ipm atm
12:46 AM lcvette: sbr?
12:46 AM gloops: round
12:46 AM lcvette: ah
12:47 AM lcvette: what size envelope
12:47 AM gloops: 1100x900
12:47 AM lcvette: what size steppers
12:47 AM gloops: 3 Nm
12:48 AM gloops: i have got some 4.5 Nm motors to fit, but its working ok for what i want at the moment
12:48 AM lcvette: oh bubba
12:48 AM lcvette: i know what you need
12:48 AM gloops: 2 motors on X 1 on the other axis
12:49 AM lcvette: JMC servos
12:49 AM gloops: whats that?
12:49 AM renesis: noice @ 4.5 Nm
12:49 AM lcvette: they are AWESOME!
12:49 AM renesis: thats like around a kw?
12:49 AM gloops: closed loop steppers?
12:50 AM lcvette: they have them available from 100w, 140w, 180w, 200w
12:50 AM lcvette: no they are true servos
12:50 AM renesis: thats not too bad, very cool
12:50 AM lcvette: and extremely affordable
12:50 AM gloops: well i got some italian 4.5 Nm - only paid £25 for the lot
12:50 AM renesis: they prob need like 2 hours of nap a day
12:51 AM lcvette: prices direct from them are $75-$95 respectively and they are integrated with drives
12:51 AM gloops: im not sure whether italian is better or worse than chinese though
12:51 AM lcvette: usd
12:51 AM renesis: have a little wine port on top
12:51 AM renesis: motor frame w/ big holes in it like a ducati clutch
12:52 AM lcvette: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ukY3XcOa6M
12:52 AM lcvette: don't let the small wattage fool you on a servo
12:52 AM renesis: they look very nice
12:52 AM gloops: the elecronica motors build is very heavy duty, huge bearings compared to chinese motors
12:52 AM renesis: huge bearings are neat
12:53 AM renesis: gloops: that is a belt gearbox?
12:53 AM renesis: i like the reverse mounting on the Y
12:53 AM gloops: belt gearbox? i assume gearing with belts and timing pulleys
12:54 AM lcvette: he is running belt drive 2:1
12:54 AM renesis: in the vid, the motors are mounted to long aluminum boxes, yeah looks timing belt sized
12:54 AM gloops: oh i thought you said 'what' is a belt gearbox
12:54 AM renesis: oh haha
12:54 AM lcvette: thats at half the speed they could turn the screws
12:54 AM gloops: yeah looks like it
12:55 AM lcvette: thats a dovetail machine
12:55 AM renesis: he needs some hot glue on that A axis cable
12:55 AM lcvette: on a linear rail router, i imagine you would not need a reduction
12:55 AM gloops: thing is you need the machine to take that velocity
12:55 AM lcvette: in fact hang on
12:55 AM renesis: sounds like balls, kind of rumbles
12:56 AM lcvette: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_PR7S4j1og
12:56 AM renesis: and i feel much more comfy with dovetails on a machine like this
12:56 AM lcvette: same servos on a router with rails
12:56 AM gloops: my gantry weighs about 40kilos or more, you are throwing some weight about
12:56 AM renesis: i dont think the low frictions in linear ways is a benefit on a mill
12:56 AM renesis: it means youre more sensitive to the work loading
12:57 AM renesis: if youre pushing a lot of dovetail friction, work loading isnt going to be as significant
12:57 AM lcvette: easier to stop a load than start one especially with friction
12:58 AM renesis: id rather have a bit more motor and the friction, so work loading is more like unloaded
12:58 AM renesis: can make arguments either way tho
12:59 AM renesis: def more expensive and maybe capable of less in an absolute sense
01:00 AM gloops: this is only 100ipm or so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lPLCwitPWY
01:00 AM gloops: imagine 600ipm
01:01 AM renesis: ha @ it blowing smoke on plunges
01:01 AM renesis: TiN tool?
01:01 AM gloops: yeah thats not the cutter for plunging, i was only doing a bit of testing lol
01:02 AM gloops: its a cheapo chinese cutter, yellow paint
01:02 AM renesis: looks usable at that speed with a cutting pass
01:02 AM lcvette: hahahaha... think is a fire hazard
01:02 AM renesis: gloops: how do your tools do?
01:02 AM lcvette: saw dust and smoke
01:02 AM gloops: its ok with spiral cutters lol
01:03 AM gloops: its fine the extractor i fitted takes the smoke away
01:03 AM renesis: isnt wood supposed to have some sort of microscopic hard bits?
01:03 AM renesis: like when it gets hot
01:04 AM gloops: its not good for bearings
01:04 AM renesis: like, when i would go ridic fast it would take the TiN off my little tools (i have a taig)
01:04 AM renesis: why? because inconsistent loading?
01:05 AM gloops: you can get throwaway tooling solid carbide, few dollars a tool, probably the most economical for wood
01:05 AM MarcelineVQ: because it loads up your grease
01:06 AM gloops: i mean wood dust isnt good for bearings, because of the abrasive particles you mentioned, a lot of old machine people would have wood on their metal lathes for that reason
01:06 AM renesis: Different wear mechanisms were
01:06 AM gloops: wouldnt
01:06 AM renesis: identified using a scanning electron microscope.
01:06 AM renesis: https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:999250/FULLTEXT01.pdf
01:06 AM renesis: ^ srs biz
01:08 AM renesis: However, processing of tropical species with high silica content is still a
01:08 AM renesis: challenge for the woodworking industry.
01:08 AM renesis: i think thats what i am remember. there is microscopic sand in wood, wtf
01:09 AM renesis: like, aluminum doesnt seem to take the coating off my carbide. wood is weird
01:09 AM renesis: gloops: i thought that wood basically gummed everything up
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:09 AM MarcelineVQ: that one can be explained by heat alone I would expect, you don't get to toss your heat away in the chip quite the same
01:10 AM renesis: like, it would basically smear onto the ways instead of getting pushed out like metal chips
01:10 AM renesis: and it can build up and throw the machine off, and i guess its hard to clean
01:10 AM renesis: marcelinevq: oh, yeah i never thought about the heat transfer part, metal vs wood
01:10 AM renesis: that makes a lot of sense
01:11 AM IchGucksLive: head shoudt not be a factor on strategie
01:11 AM MarcelineVQ: and this is just a guess as well but, wood being springier and having so many different grains to it inside might also cause more rubbing
01:12 AM MarcelineVQ: by different grains I mean like knots or other sorts of things like the tree equivalent of scar tisue
01:12 AM lcvette: morning!
01:12 AM MarcelineVQ: as you cut and the tensions of the matertial change it could casue rubbing, no idea if that's the case though
01:13 AM IchGucksLive: look at my chees milling HARD Dry Graveyard WOOD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdvROAlCMMQ
01:13 AM IchGucksLive: its a trapezional mill
01:13 AM IchGucksLive: at the end i touch the bit there is no head at all
01:15 AM renesis: marcelinevq: yeah definitely, i imagine it relaxes and sticks out a bit after a cut
01:15 AM IchGucksLive: lcvette, morning it is raining outside not a good day for the town festival
01:15 AM renesis: so you prob get rub on multi depths cuts
01:15 AM gloops: well if you use grease where there is wood dust youre basically making polishing paste for your bearings
01:16 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
01:20 AM gloops: tree takes up silica molecules (sand) while growing, sand in a nice sticky paste, great stuff for removing metal
01:24 AM renesis: is clay, no?
01:24 AM renesis: so yeah, literally polishing compound
01:25 AM renesis: weird so like, plants suck up dissolved sand, and then they die and it turns to clay
01:26 AM gloops: not so bad with roller or ball bearings, worse for like the old lathes with soft metal shell bearings
01:26 AM gloops: or dovetails
01:54 AM gloops: well, looking at it, realistically, im going to have to glue boards together for good size signs, something i really didnt want to get into
01:54 AM fragalot: what's wrong with a good glue-up?
01:55 AM gloops: time, effort etc
01:55 AM XXCoder: gloops: do it in layers it would be strong and ay to do
01:55 AM gloops: how do you mean XXCoder?
01:55 AM fragalot: gloops: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NXN0nIMstTY/maxresdefault.jpg
01:56 AM fragalot: finding a tree large enough to do it in one takes more effort :P
01:56 AM XXCoder: basically offset wood sheets for gluing, or possible subsisite (cant spell that, thinner but much bigger board backing)
01:58 AM gloops: im just thinking of gluing edge to edge, not many supplies of 10 inch plus board, you can get boards ready glued but usually only furniture panel thickness, up to 21mm, also expensive
01:58 AM fragalot: yeah that works fine
01:59 AM fragalot: joint edges, put glue on one edge, sprinkle small amount of salt on to stop it sliding all over the place, clamp up, let dry
01:59 AM fragalot: the better quality clamps you use, the easier the job
02:00 AM XXCoder: router
02:00 AM XXCoder: make much more stronger mating sufaces with router
02:00 AM fragalot: no need if it's along the grain
02:00 AM gloops: it would be ok with waterproof pva, i dont really care if it falls to pieces in a couple of years anyway
02:00 AM fragalot: modern wood glue is already stronger than the wood
02:01 AM gloops: yes
02:01 AM XXCoder: nice
02:01 AM XXCoder: goralla glue?
02:01 AM fragalot: gloops: yeah a good D3 glue would be fine
02:01 AM fragalot: gorilla glue is dogshit
02:01 AM XXCoder: its bad eh
02:01 AM fragalot: it's basically expensive polyurethane glue that foams up.. good for filling gaps, but not as strong as a PVA
02:01 AM gloops: XXCoder you cant break a good fitting joint glued with pva - the wood will shear first
02:02 AM fragalot: I normally use the cheapest waterproof PVA I can get, it's like €1 for a bottle of 250ml, and I have yet to have something come apart
02:02 AM XXCoder: not bad
02:03 AM XXCoder: I need to learn more of that stuff, as I do have plans to majke wood products
02:03 AM XXCoder: artwork most of times
02:03 AM fragalot: gloops: also - if you don't have one already, get one of those babebot bottles, they are amazing.
02:03 AM gloops: ive used evo stick pva for outdoor stuff, never failed, its expensive but you only use small amounts anyway
02:04 AM roycroft: there is a gorilla white glue that's really good
02:04 AM roycroft: it's a pva glue
02:04 AM fragalot: never seen that around here
02:04 AM gloops: they look useful fragalot, ill get one
02:04 AM roycroft: and it does not foam like the "traditional" gorilla glue
02:04 AM fragalot: roycroft: any decent PVA glue works fine, in my experience
02:05 AM fragalot: the only difference i've found is how viscous they are
02:05 AM gloops: ive glued board together with contractors pvs, the stuff they used to seal plaster walls, still stuck now
02:05 AM gloops: pva
02:06 AM fragalot: isn't that what evo-stik is? :P
02:09 AM gloops: no evo stik do all kinds of PVA, i mean the stuff you buy in a 5 litre tub, mix with water and paint the walls as a sealer
02:09 AM gloops: it is the same thing just a weaker dilution probably
02:09 AM fragalot: yeah, like I said, only difference is viscosity :)
02:10 AM gloops: https://www.toolstation.com/shop/Construction+Materials/d210/PVA/sd3281/Everbuild+506+Contractors+PVA/p18844
02:11 AM roycroft: diluted pva glue works great for blotch control on woods that are prone to that, like maple, mahogany, pine, etc.
02:12 AM roycroft: oh, and of course, the most well-known blotchy wood, cherry
02:14 AM gloops: ill be using pine, and i wont be staining it - just tinted laquer
02:15 AM fragalot: i've never found a good laquer for outdoor use that you don't have to reapply far more frequently than you'd like
02:15 AM gloops: pine isnt the best material for outside, but less than .001% of the population know that, and its ok if well sealed
02:15 AM MarcelineVQ: cetol lasts pretty well
02:17 AM gloops: thing is, you cant put anything on pine like stain, that soaks in, the soft and hard growth doesnt stain equally
02:17 AM gloops: in fact the hard growth doesnt stain at all
02:17 AM fragalot: very true
02:17 AM fragalot: pine is one of my least favorite materials to work with
02:18 AM gloops: just blast the lot with a tint, all the same
02:18 AM gloops: acrylic laquer sets as it hits the surface almost, doesnt soak in, so you get even colour
02:19 AM fragalot: yeah, but it peels off after a fairly short while
02:19 AM fragalot: (short meaning only a few years)
02:20 AM gloops: well outdoor things need maintenance
02:20 AM roycroft: that's what i'm talking about, gloops, by "blotch control"
02:21 AM gloops: you can also do some nice shading features by building up layers of tint
02:21 AM fragalot: gloops: they do. and I dislike that, even though there is no good solution as it is a natural material in the end..
02:21 AM roycroft: on woods that are blotch-prone, i'll sand to P180, then spray with water to raise the grain, sand again, spray again, then sand one more time
02:21 AM gloops: nobody cares about longevity these days anyway, theyll have forgot about it in 2 years
02:21 AM roycroft: then i apply the diluted pva (i add some other stuff too, but the pva is the most important)
02:21 AM roycroft: let that dry
02:22 AM roycroft: then i apply water-based stain
02:22 AM roycroft: er, water-based dye
02:22 AM roycroft: after the diluted pva application the dye goes on quite evenly
02:23 AM roycroft: a quick spray with 1lb cut shellac over the dye and it's ready for whatever finsish you want
02:23 AM gloops: im sure that comes out beautifully roycroft
02:23 AM roycroft: if it's an open-pore wood like mahogany, i'll apply a grain filler over the shellac
02:23 AM roycroft: then varnish, laquer, whatever
02:23 AM roycroft: i don't use polyurethane much because it cannot be repaired
02:24 AM gloops: but how can you charge for all that time and work?
02:24 AM gloops: it will cost $400
02:24 AM fragalot: especially sanding three times in a contoured/engraved sign
02:24 AM roycroft: the sanding takes seconds
02:25 AM fragalot: for flat surfaces, yes
02:25 AM roycroft: all you're doing is knocking down the grain
02:25 AM * roycroft makes sending blocks to match the contours
02:25 AM roycroft: sanding blocks
02:26 AM gloops: i didnt build a cnc machine to turn my weekends into detailed sanding sessions lol
02:26 AM roycroft: um
02:27 AM roycroft: you put a sanding sheet on your contoured surface
02:27 AM roycroft: and rub a foam sanding pad over it
02:27 AM roycroft: it takes a few seconds to make a matching sanding block
02:27 AM gloops: what i need is a modular design program, incorporating the minimum amount of pre and post machining effort
02:27 AM fragalot: the 3M flexible sanding paper works great for that btw
02:27 AM fragalot: lasts a lot longer too in my experience
02:28 AM roycroft: i've pretty much decided that this is going to be my next sander:
02:28 AM roycroft: https://www.festoolusa.com/products/sanding-and-brushing/direct-drive-orbital-sanders-for-fine-sanding/567852---ls-130-eq-plus-usa
02:29 AM roycroft: there is no other product on the market like it
02:29 AM gloops: any customisation needs to be simple and quick calling up ready made modules and sticking them together - seconds, no laborius finishing or gluing up, nothing
02:29 AM gloops: which for me, a man of pride, doesnt come naturally, i have to admit
02:29 AM gloops: but its got to be done that way
02:30 AM fragalot: dip it in a thick layer of acrylic instead then :P
02:30 AM roycroft: i just can't see spending dozens or hundreds of hours making a nice piece of furniture and then taking shortcuts on the finish
02:31 AM fragalot: furniture is different
02:31 AM fragalot: there I would definitely spend the time
02:31 AM fragalot: but on a sign that hangs 3m up in the air, I don't think i'd bother with 3 sanding sessions
02:31 AM gloops: how many traditional furniture makers in your town?
02:31 AM fragalot: 3 that I know of
02:32 AM fragalot: I have no idea who can afford their creations
02:32 AM roycroft: for an average sign, no
02:32 AM gloops: i know of 1 here, and she lives in a house her father gave her and probably gets an allowance off him as well
02:32 AM roycroft: and if it's going to be outdoors it doesn't need a super smooth finish
02:32 AM roycroft: so the grain raising and then flattening is not really important
02:33 AM XXCoder: would epoxy fade or crack in sunlight?
02:33 AM fragalot: XXCoder: turn yellow
02:33 AM roycroft: yes, it will yellow when exposed to uv
02:33 AM XXCoder: interesting
02:33 AM gloops: you can bypass that roycroft by spraying sanding sealer, which rubs off so easily its unbelievable, then build up acrylic - higher than any grain thats still showing
02:34 AM gloops: like IKEA
02:34 AM lcvette: hey guys I am about to purchase a new motherboard and cpu to resolve my latency issue
02:34 AM roycroft: sanding sealer is not very effective at blotch control
02:34 AM Deejay: moin
02:34 AM roycroft: it kind of works, a little
02:34 AM gloops: it wont blotch
02:34 AM lcvette: was wondering if you could tell me if i was gettign good brands
02:34 AM roycroft: i stopped using it a long time ago
02:35 AM roycroft: get a mesa board and don't worry about latency
02:35 AM fragalot: lcvette: I believe the wiki has some recommendations on which ones work
02:35 AM gloops: lcvette somewhere on the linuxcnc site there is a long list of machines - PCs, and their latency readings, all been tested, i just cant find it
02:35 AM fragalot: but it's probably cheaper to buy a mesa board
02:36 AM lcvette: I have mesa cards already
02:36 AM lcvette: 7i92/7i76/7i77
02:36 AM lcvette: running preempt rt
02:36 AM lcvette: have bad latency with my pc
02:37 AM lcvette: pcw said probably a bad mismatch of mobo and bios and the rt kernel
02:37 AM roycroft: get a 5i25
02:37 AM fragalot: ah
02:37 AM lcvette: cant
02:37 AM lcvette: too far of a run from pc to other boards
02:38 AM lcvette: over 10' you cant use a db25 cable
02:38 AM gloops: lcvette http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
02:39 AM fragalot: lcvette: I figured out why that bash script didn't work by the way to fix the line endings.. the ^M you were supposed to type using "ctrl+V ctrl+M"
02:39 AM fragalot: just FYI.
02:39 AM gloops: ASRock PV530A-ITX
02:39 AM gloops: ASUS AT5NM10-I
02:40 AM lcvette: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/H97MECSM/
02:41 AM lcvette: i need a H97 lga1150 socket
02:41 AM gloops: you may note - faster processer is not proportional with lower jitter
02:41 AM lcvette: to use with a g3258 intel cpu
02:41 AM lcvette: that is the best for preempt rt
02:41 AM lcvette: just need to know good brands
02:41 AM lcvette: for Mobo
02:41 AM lcvette: asus?
02:42 AM roycroft: the jitter is more a function of the system board design and the support chipset than the cpu
02:42 AM lcvette: thats what i suspected
02:42 AM lcvette: unfortunately there are not many available options for what peter told me to get
02:42 AM lcvette: lol
02:43 AM lcvette: he just said get an H97 based mother board and g3258 cpu
02:43 AM roycroft: and the problem with getting a low-latency system board is that usually by the time you get a good recommendation for one the manufacturer has updated or end-of-lifed it and you can't get it any more
02:44 AM lcvette: thats the problem im running into
02:44 AM lcvette: they are not many around
02:44 AM lcvette: and the ones that are cost quite a bit
02:44 AM roycroft: so maybe you should figure out if you can mount your daughter mesa boards closer to the computer an get a 5i25 :)
02:45 AM roycroft: you can run long motor control cables to the machine
02:46 AM roycroft: i'm getting a 4u rack enclousure for my mesa 7i76 and power supplies, drivers, etc. that i will mount directly below the linuxcnc computer
02:46 AM lcvette: VMC
02:46 AM lcvette: with industrial drives
02:46 AM lcvette: which means new cables
02:46 AM fragalot: more important than all of this
02:46 AM lcvette: couple hundred bucks
02:47 AM fragalot: have you gotten it to run yet, be it with high latency?
02:47 AM lcvette: yeah
02:47 AM fragalot: sweet
02:47 AM lcvette: and crashed it
02:47 AM fragalot: oh
03:05 AM fragalot: mornin' miss0r
03:05 AM XXCoder: enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACbVhgtx9I
03:05 AM * XXCoder is glad to be immune to earworms
03:07 AM miss0r: mornin' fragalot
03:08 AM fragalot: my 1/4" ratchet arrived, like it so much I ordered the 1/2" version straight away
03:09 AM miss0r: Yeah, its pretty decent hardward
03:09 AM fragalot: didn't get what you told me to though
03:09 AM miss0r: I rough turned the case for my safe last night
03:09 AM miss0r: In that case I have no idea if what I just said is true :D
03:09 AM fragalot: :D
03:09 AM fragalot: facom r360 nano
03:09 AM miss0r: Never heard of it :)
03:09 AM fragalot: you can twist the handle to make it ratchet in tight spots
03:10 AM miss0r: Nice
03:10 AM fragalot: https://www.amazon.com/FACOM-R-360NANO-SOCKET-R-360-RATCHET/dp/B00M2IDYBA <= a lot cheaper in the US....
03:10 AM XXCoder: nice
03:10 AM fragalot: miss0r: also - pics or it hasn't happened
03:11 AM miss0r: yeah, i'm just realizing I left my phone in the house :) Pictures later :)
03:11 AM fragalot: boo.
03:11 AM miss0r: The door is a sliding fit into the bore. if I leave the opening facing up, and insert the door, it gently glides into place
03:11 AM XXCoder: so it won't have happened tll later ;)
03:12 AM miss0r: Good thing I have a powerfull magnet at hand, otherwise I would have trouble getting it back out
03:12 AM fragalot: haha
03:12 AM XXCoder: lol
03:12 AM miss0r: I'll have some time tonight. (perhaps I can sneak in here a earlier - i'm cleaning & doing some gardening with the family)
03:13 AM miss0r: I'll need to add some of those external clamps, as seen on real valut doors
03:14 AM miss0r: Alright. I better get to it.
03:14 AM miss0r: I ended up turning this with the lathe to 01:30 last night :)
03:15 AM miss0r: It produces alot of chips gouching out the core of a massive roundstock
03:15 AM miss0r: But the door will slive better once the key hole is produced :)
03:15 AM miss0r: Anywho, I'll be back(Terminator 2 quote)
03:20 AM XXCoder: interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVhyaNtP-9w
03:25 AM gloops: bevelled and prism letters easy to do https://ibb.co/dcp6mJ
03:26 AM XXCoder: I would say yea
03:26 AM XXCoder: just need decent chamfer tool
03:26 AM XXCoder: at work theres 1/2 inch chamfer tools so its very doable. for cnc router theres regular router bit thats similiar but smaller shaft for easier holding
03:28 AM gloops: just a normal V carve bit for wood, can get different angles
03:28 AM XXCoder: indeed
03:28 AM gloops: or a roundover cutter if you want round
03:29 AM XXCoder: ugh I hate that tool
03:29 AM XXCoder: work its quite rare but real annoyance
03:30 AM gloops: lol, can imagine it being a pain with metal
03:30 AM XXCoder: yeah
04:07 AM XXCoder: juat discovered z88
04:07 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp_QDr1HeXA
04:56 AM miss0r: XXCoder: https://imgur.com/a/x2F2csd
04:57 AM XXCoder: nice
04:57 AM XXCoder: one end definitely complexs
04:59 AM miss0r: XXCoder: The 'door' : https://imgur.com/a/UQUh2cu
04:59 AM XXCoder: toolchanger?
05:00 AM miss0r: hehe. Nah, i'll just use the carbide shafts from used tools as locking bolts
05:03 AM XXCoder: ahh
05:03 AM XXCoder: yea when have worn tools its free carbide shafts
05:04 AM miss0r: yeah. Hard as a coffin nail. Plus they are nicey ground
05:07 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:09 AM fragalot: miss0r: That's a nice flower pot! :D
05:09 AM fragalot: is it mothers day in denmark too then?
05:09 AM miss0r: It is :]
05:09 AM miss0r: Now that is a pot that does not break when falling to the floor. It breaks the floor
05:09 AM fragalot: :D
05:09 AM XXCoder: indeed lol
05:10 AM fragalot: miss0r: i'm a bit disappointed the lid isn't threaded with a .5mm pitch thread, and the pins all serve as anti-rotation pins
05:11 AM miss0r: I actualy thought about it. But then I remembered I'm retarted, and should not embark on stuff like that :D
05:11 AM fragalot: hqhq
05:12 AM fragalot: haha * (my keyboard likes to switch between layouts and win10 won't let me remove the other one...)
05:12 AM miss0r: god damn error 40 implimentation
05:17 AM XXCoder: why cant you remove layout?
05:17 AM XXCoder: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-desktop-winpc/how-to-remove-keyboard-layout-on-windows-10/9f021621-0e93-401e-a086-835e942b967e
05:18 AM fragalot: XXCoder: because it literally won't let me
05:18 AM XXCoder: it says how to solve that apparent;y
05:19 AM XXCoder: 2 groups of steps to do it
05:19 AM XXCoder: pretty dang complex for windows setting change
05:19 AM fragalot: i'm in this situation where I want an english language windows, with a belgian AZERTY keyboard and other regional settings
05:19 AM miss0r: XXCoder: Sometimes its best to let the mentally disabled, stay in their own little world, and not disrupt it. You are in danger to making him go 'pop'
05:19 AM miss0r: :]
05:19 AM fragalot: so it says "no keyboard layout available", which is fine, I've added the belgian keyboard layout separately
05:19 AM fragalot: but it keeps the default USA keyboard layout in there with no option to remove it
05:20 AM miss0r: Have you tried yelling at it?
05:20 AM fragalot: if I force remove it by fucking around with the registry and even the windows files directly, it still comes back after the inevitable windos update
05:20 AM fragalot: miss0r: no. :P
05:20 AM XXCoder: try the steps outlined at that link, though English may be special and irremovable
05:21 AM fragalot: yeah that's the standard way to remove them
05:21 AM fragalot: there is no remove button
05:21 AM fragalot: hence that does not work
05:22 AM fragalot: i've given up - simply hitting alt-shift switches between layouts anyway
05:23 AM miss0r: XXCoder: carefull... if he actually finds that button now, his world might collapse, and we would have a screaming partially shaven chimpanzee in here, running amok
05:23 AM fragalot: the button is there, but it's grayed out, and adding another keyboard layout to it still doesn't unlock it
05:24 AM fragalot: so meh. :P
05:24 AM miss0r: :D
05:24 AM XXCoder: miss0r: dunno it may be indeed special case
05:24 AM XXCoder: maybe its one layout that cannot be removed because its a backup to any other layout
05:26 AM fragalot: perhaps
05:26 AM fragalot: i've come to terms with it
06:08 AM jthornton: morning
06:09 AM XXCoder: yo
06:37 AM gloops: probably my next project, something like that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2wLdhZjKBM
06:37 AM gloops: but whether to move the saw, or the log..
06:38 AM fragalot: move the saw
06:38 AM XXCoder: hmm like woodgears one
06:38 AM XXCoder: but better for sawing
06:38 AM gloops: why move the saw?
06:38 AM fragalot: because the saw doesn't weigh 600kg
06:38 AM fragalot: and it's more compact
06:38 AM gloops: the log doesnt weight anything on a rack with bearings
06:38 AM fragalot: and easier to move a consistent piece rather than a warped tree
06:38 AM SpeedEvil: gloops: sure it does.
06:38 AM fragalot: sure, but you need twice the distance
06:39 AM gloops: yes distance is a factor
06:39 AM fragalot: it's much easier to move the saw in every way
06:39 AM gloops: speedevil look at the jacks on garage ramps, they can push a car with one hand - just some 2 inch skate bearings
06:39 AM fragalot: the only reason to move the log is if you're running production and have like 20 other bandsaws set up behind the first one
06:40 AM SpeedEvil: gloops: For very rigid structures.
06:40 AM gloops: if you have the blade vertical you can tilt the log
06:40 AM SpeedEvil: As the structure becomes less massive, moving around massive things gets quite a lot harder.
06:40 AM fragalot: doesn't mean you can't move the blade still, gloops :P
06:40 AM gloops: you cant really tilt it with the saw moving horizontal
06:40 AM SpeedEvil: Especially if you've got to engineer it for variable weights bearing in awkward locations.
06:41 AM fragalot: and if the blade is vertical, bear in mind that if it's a long log it will start to warp as you progress through the cut as it's not supported well
06:41 AM gloops: yeah youd need a heavy long rack, its not really an option
06:42 AM gloops: move the saw like in that video seems the best option
06:42 AM gloops: plus you can almost roll and kick the log into position
06:43 AM gloops: no lifting
06:47 AM gloops: probably make the saw detachable, store that inside, leave the frame outside
06:47 AM fragalot: or chuck a tarp over it & call it done
06:47 AM gloops: could do
06:47 AM fragalot: there are tons of semi-pro sawmills that live outside
06:48 AM gloops: just the electrics
06:48 AM fragalot: if you need only a few cuts though, and waste is not an issue, a ladder & a chainsaw works well too
06:48 AM fragalot: electrics can be fine if they're rated for outdoor use
06:48 AM gloops: i dont like chainsaws
06:49 AM gloops: bandsaw is quiet, safe, accurate etc
06:49 AM gloops: chainsaw is noisy, dangerous and rough
06:50 AM fragalot: yup
06:50 AM SpeedEvil: Chainsaw can be more accurate than a bandsaw
06:50 AM * jthornton likes his chainsaws
06:50 AM jthornton: and will be using the big one this morning to cut rounds
06:50 AM SpeedEvil: The bar really, really helps with blade drift.
06:50 AM gloops: hand held SpeedEvil?
06:50 AM SpeedEvil: No.
06:50 AM gloops: i wouldnt try cutting boards with a chainsaw
06:51 AM jthornton: it's been done like that for years in remote locations
06:51 AM jthornton: with a guide bar
06:51 AM gloops: yeah ive seen chainsaw mills and all manner of ways to use a chainsaw for it
06:53 AM * jthornton just realized he has a BMP280 not a BME280 :(
06:54 AM XXCoder: whats difference
06:54 AM fragalot: the P is not an E
06:54 AM jthornton: BMP doesn't have humidity
06:54 AM XXCoder: 81f my room ugh
06:54 AM XXCoder: and sun havent copme up uet
06:56 AM XXCoder: its just my room. weird
07:24 AM SpeedEvil: If the sun hasn't come up in only one room, you may be living in the matrix.
07:25 AM XXCoder: lol
07:25 AM XXCoder: nah hot here
07:25 AM XXCoder: rest of house is cool-ish
07:26 AM jthornton: weird
07:27 AM XXCoder: nah figured it
07:27 AM XXCoder: I was playing game, so my pc is heating my room up
07:33 AM XXCoder: 78f its taking so long lol
07:36 AM jthornton: time to get dressed and whip out the chainsaw
07:40 AM XXCoder: so thats what you call it eh ;)
08:18 AM gloops: not seen pink_vampire for a while
08:20 AM XXCoder: shes goes off for while sometimes
08:20 AM XXCoder: records few month
08:20 AM XXCoder: nothing compared to ich's 2 year off
08:21 AM fragalot: or my 6.
09:05 AM Spirit532 is now known as Guest87308
09:11 AM miss0r: 6 hour machining job running... on a part that measures 24x46x2mm ;D
09:12 AM miss0r: Thats what I get for running proprietary cam software on a roland cnc mill
10:37 AM Deejay: re
11:08 AM lcvette: pcw you in here?
11:08 AM Tom_L: lcvette, how you comin on the config?
11:08 AM lcvette: hey tom
11:08 AM lcvette: maybe you can help me
11:08 AM lcvette: i can't remember if your up to date
11:09 AM lcvette: i made a basic config and got the machine moving
11:09 AM lcvette: am now working ont he other original config
11:09 AM lcvette: but my system has really high latency
11:09 AM lcvette: so pcw gave me some hardware to look at
11:09 AM Tom_L: here are 2 methods of getting stretch working: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jvDN76Pq7Z/ or http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
11:10 AM lcvette: im about to make a purchase
11:10 AM Tom_L: oh, 5i25?
11:10 AM Tom_L: pci
11:10 AM Tom_L: then you can run rtai instead of preempt-rt
11:11 AM lcvette: 7i92
11:12 AM Tom_L: i thought you were using a 7i92 already
11:12 AM Tom_L: what other hardware?
11:12 AM lcvette: i am
11:12 AM lcvette: a new motherboard and cpu
11:12 AM Tom_L: from pcw?
11:12 AM lcvette: my latancy with my existing was really lousy
11:12 AM lcvette: 102k 190k
11:12 AM Tom_L: yeah i know
11:13 AM lcvette: crap i gotta run, mothers day brunch
11:13 AM lcvette: back later
11:22 AM gloops: sht mothers day today? i thought we'd already had that
11:32 AM miss0r: Someones in trouble :D
11:32 AM miss0r: luckily for me, my family does not take stuff like that serious :]
11:34 AM gloops: it isnt here, only in america
11:35 AM miss0r: Time to go make some pancakes :]
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
01:25 PM fragalot: Hi
01:35 PM Tom_L: hi
01:37 PM Tom_L: lookin like the sky could fall here at any momemt
01:39 PM fragalot: the sky can't fall
01:39 PM fragalot: the whole point is that it's already touching the ground so it's supported by its' own weight.
01:40 PM Tom_L: the lighter parts are making room for the heavier parts then
01:41 PM Tom_L: and the ground will eat them up
01:42 PM Tom_L: updated to 2.7.13 this AM
01:42 PM Tom_L: no apparent difference
01:43 PM Tom_L: how's your project going?
01:52 PM fragalot: slowly
01:52 PM fragalot: all I did today was clear out a path in the shed again to actually be able to walk without tripping over everything :P
01:53 PM fragalot: I really don't have the space for what i'm doing in there
02:04 PM miss0r: fragalot: still milling the same parts :D
02:04 PM miss0r: Came back to it, just to find that the 1mm endmill had broken halfway through the run
02:04 PM miss0r: *sigh*
02:14 PM syyl: is there a reason why t06 m06 does not automaticaly change the length offset of the tool?
02:14 PM syyl: seems like an awfull easy way to crash
02:22 PM Tom_L: do you have the H word set right?
02:23 PM Tom_L: the H word determines your length offset
02:23 PM Tom_L: T18 M06
02:24 PM Tom_L: G43 Z0.1 H18
02:24 PM Tom_L: for example
02:24 PM Tom_L: the z move is not applicable here
02:24 PM Tom_L: just pulled it from code
02:25 PM syyl: g43 pulls the tool length from the tooltable, which works perfectly
02:25 PM syyl: i just wonder why m06 doesnt do that automaticaly
02:26 PM syyl: i cant see a reason to change a tool without updating the length :D
02:26 PM Tom_L: if you don't specify the H word it assumes the last one used
02:26 PM rene-dev_: no, it uses the current tool
02:26 PM Tom_L: right, the one prior to the current tool change
02:26 PM Tom_L: if you don't specify the H word
02:29 PM Tom_L: syyl, for whatever reason you _could_ have multiple H words assigned to the same tool
02:29 PM syyl: i dont see a reason to use the h word at all?
02:29 PM Tom_L: H1, H101, H201 or whatever you choose
02:29 PM syyl: i have my lengths set in the tooltable
02:30 PM Tom_L: it's how it's done
02:30 PM Tom_L: the H word tells it which one to read
02:30 PM syyl: hu?
02:30 PM syyl: g43 without h word will use the last Txx called
02:30 PM rmu: G43 not only sets tool length, but also offsets for other axis
02:31 PM fragalot: miss0r: >.<
02:31 PM miss0r: Just about done now... at 1.71mm out'a 2
02:31 PM Tom_L: rmu, correct so if you have a mill tool those others should be zero
02:32 PM rene-dev_: tool length and offsets are the same thing in linuxcnc
02:32 PM rene-dev_: a tool has 9 offsets, one for each axis, and a diameter
02:36 PM fragalot: syyl: this shows why it's important to use the correct post processor thingymajigger ::
02:36 PM fragalot: :/
02:36 PM syyl: ;)
02:36 PM fragalot: forgot the proper name for it :P
02:36 PM syyl: that anyway
02:36 PM syyl: http://gtwr.de/div/iselatc.jpg
02:39 PM fragalot: syyl: Something's missing
02:40 PM syyl: a toolchanger? :D
02:40 PM fragalot: :D
02:41 PM syyl: he is standing in front of the machine
02:41 PM fragalot: hehe
02:41 PM fragalot: next up: flood coolant, followed by regret.
02:41 PM syyl: ah i do almost only plastic on that machine. thats fine dry or with airblast
02:55 PM JT-Shop: syyl: that your mill?
02:56 PM * JT-Shop can't even find his tape measure...
02:59 PM Lcvette: JT-Shop_: your running Preempt-RT kernel?
03:01 PM JT-Shop: not at the moment, I have a couple of PC's with preempt rt but they are not in a machine
03:03 PM Lcvette: Ah... how is the latency on the machines?
03:03 PM Lcvette: PC's I mean running Preempt-RT
03:04 PM JT-Shop: pretty good, I don't remember the exact numbers
03:11 PM Lcvette: Is it the Preempt RT Stretch Linuxcnc test? And did you install the image-rt also?
03:20 PM syyl: yes JT-Shop
03:20 PM syyl: one of my mills ;)
03:25 PM JT-Shop: syyl: nice
03:26 PM JT-Shop: Lcvette: no I just built my own
03:26 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/info/debian-9-uspace.txt
03:39 PM lcvette__: i wonder if that would be better than what i am running using the stretch one
03:40 PM lcvette__: because so far it has given me nothing but problems
03:42 PM * Loetmichel had a "nice" weekend. Saturday moring at 05:30 into the BMW convertible, 400km drive to the mother in law, then 12h renovating her new appartment, to the old house , sleeping, today morning back to the new flat, another 4 hours of carpet laying and baseboards mounting. At 12:30 today i was back in the BMW, 300km drive to my sister, planned the complete house electrics there with her
03:42 PM * Loetmichel ("there you have to put a 5g1.5 cable in the wall, there a 3g1.5..."), then 230km drive home. JUst arrived home. its now 22:06 here. and i have to work tomorrow at 08:00 ;)
03:42 PM Tom_L: Lcvette, debian 9 is stretch
03:43 PM lcvette__: so im wishing i had 6 instyead of half a dozen
03:43 PM lcvette__: typical
03:43 PM Tom_L: ?
03:44 PM lcvette__: same same
03:44 PM Tom_L: you could try installing an older version
03:44 PM Tom_L: but i'm not sure how to build preempt-rt on them
03:44 PM JT-Shop: Lcvette: what gui are you trying to use?
03:44 PM Tom_L: gmocappy
03:44 PM lcvette__: gmoccapy
03:45 PM lcvette__: although secretly one day i want pathpilot
03:45 PM Tom_L: he was getting some install errors with it as well as bad latency
03:45 PM lcvette__: tom, not sure if i told you
03:45 PM lcvette__: but i was geting a wierd sound file error player.py
03:45 PM Tom_L: yeah
03:46 PM lcvette__: well, cmorley gave me a file to replace the one that was causing the rror and make it go away
03:46 PM lcvette__: it did
03:46 PM lcvette__: and gmoccapy loaded
03:46 PM lcvette__: kind of
03:46 PM lcvette__: screen came up
03:46 PM lcvette__: but was dead
03:46 PM lcvette__: nothing worked on it and the screen needed to be temrinate for lack of responce after a while manualy
03:47 PM lcvette__: and then generated an error report
03:47 PM lcvette__: but i thought that was progress
03:48 PM lcvette__: cmorley said his error was because the python-gst file required an older version
03:48 PM lcvette__: than what was on my system
03:48 PM JT-Shop: Lcvette: ask on the forum what OS is stable for gmocappy
03:48 PM JT-Shop: I use touchy and axis only
03:48 PM lcvette__: i like touchy myself
03:48 PM lcvette__: i like the big buttons
03:49 PM lcvette__: but the file i have i think has some special stuff written into gmoccapy
03:49 PM lcvette__: i tried changing it to axis and it fails
03:50 PM Tom_L: maybe you should find out what MB your friend is using
03:50 PM Tom_L: since his seems to work
03:50 PM Tom_L: is he running ethernet cards too?
03:50 PM lcvette__: MB=motherboard?
03:50 PM lcvette__: no
03:50 PM Tom_L: yes
03:50 PM lcvette__: he is running a 5i25
03:51 PM Tom_L: with the 5i25 you wouldn't need to run preempt
03:51 PM lcvette__: yeah
03:51 PM Tom_L: even so, you may need better latency numbers than you're getting
03:51 PM lcvette__: fortunately for him i got my machine first and was able to tell him to get longer servo cables
03:51 PM Tom_L: you could download the 2.7 iso and try running it
03:51 PM lcvette__: mine were not long enough to reach the front cabinet
03:52 PM lcvette__: so at the time i was faced with a decision to make, new longer servo cables for $290 shipped
03:53 PM lcvette__: or a 7i92 and move the boards to the back
03:53 PM tiwake: hmm
03:53 PM Tom_L: is the PC inside the cabinet?
03:53 PM tiwake: I need to get the 7i77 kit
03:53 PM lcvette__: pc is up front
03:54 PM Tom_L: what's the distance to the rest of it?
03:54 PM lcvette__: 14'
03:54 PM lcvette__: from pc to 7i92
03:54 PM lcvette__: of cable run via conduit
03:54 PM skunkworks: lcvette__: what is your motherboard?
03:54 PM Tom_L: and the pc won't fit in the cabinet?
03:55 PM lcvette__: too long for DB25
03:55 PM Tom_L: yeah
03:55 PM Tom_L: i'd try to find a motherboard someone has used with your setup
03:56 PM lcvette__: ECS A58F2P-M4V 1.0 with AMD A6-7400k FM2+
03:57 PM lcvette__: peter gave me some options
03:57 PM skunkworks: what kind of latency are you getting?
03:57 PM lcvette__: H97 LGA1150 with a G3258
03:57 PM lcvette__: horrible... 102k/190k
03:58 PM skunkworks: did you try idle=poll in the kernel line? for shits and grins?
03:58 PM lcvette__: ?
03:59 PM JT-Shop: tiwake: I have them in stock
03:59 PM lcvette__: you know im like the biggest linux rookie right
03:59 PM tiwake: JT-Shop: you sell them?
03:59 PM lcvette__: how do i do that?
03:59 PM lcvette__: i'll try anything
04:00 PM lcvette__: i was going to try and research isolating the cores today from a post in the forum
04:00 PM lcvette__: it was deep researching for me
04:00 PM gloops: just get a lower jitter old pc
04:01 PM Tom_L: old doesn't work as well for preempt
04:01 PM Tom_L: rtai seems ok
04:01 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=79
04:01 PM gloops: well a better newer pc, sell this one
04:02 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=87
04:02 PM gloops: you cant get blood out of a stone
04:03 PM lcvette__: skunkworks_: what is the kernel line?
04:04 PM lcvette__: gloops_: i am getting a new MB and CPU
04:05 PM Loetmichel: gloops: depends on which stone and who is pressing!
04:05 PM lcvette__: unless i find a setting or something im doing wrong with this one which is possible seeing im so new to linux
04:05 PM lcvette__: i could have some settings horribly wrong or some conflict somewhere causing the issue and not know about it
04:06 PM lcvette__: i went into the bios but had no clue what to change in there so just left it alone
04:06 PM JT-Shop: Lcvette: what are you trying to do that is so special?
04:06 PM * JT-Shop goes to cut off another extension arm for the tv mount
04:07 PM lcvette__: special? nothing
04:07 PM lcvette__: just get my machine running
04:07 PM lcvette__: without issues
04:08 PM lcvette__: resolve problems that are presenting themselves
04:08 PM tiwake: JT-Shop: that is your website?
04:11 PM JT-Shop: tiwake: yes
04:11 PM lcvette__: <skunkworks>idle=pole in the kernel line?
04:11 PM JT-Shop: Lcvette: why the special files etc?
04:12 PM tiwake: JT-Shop: interesting
04:12 PM JT-Shop: why are you forced to use gomooccoppy
04:12 PM lcvette__: because my friend who has the exact same machine has already gotten everything running
04:12 PM lcvette__: atc etc
04:12 PM JT-Shop: ah ok that makes sense
04:13 PM lcvette__: it ewould take me months
04:13 PM JT-Shop: did you make a copy of his configuration files?
04:13 PM lcvette__: I have everything
04:13 PM JT-Shop: what os is he running
04:13 PM lcvette__: same as me except 5i25 instead of 7i92
04:13 PM JT-Shop: he may be running rtai then
04:13 PM lcvette__: but the preempt RT and rtai diference is throwing a mnkey wrench in things for some reason
04:14 PM JT-Shop: what os is he using?
04:14 PM lcvette__: rtai
04:14 PM lcvette__: the standard linuxcnc distro
04:15 PM JT-Shop: what I would do if a configuration doesn't run right off the bat is to comment out everything you can until you get it to start without errors then work backwards one step at a time till you solve the differences
04:16 PM JT-Shop: unless you know what the problem is...
04:16 PM rene-dev_: rtai or rt preemt makes no difference at all for the config.
04:17 PM lcvette__: i did that
04:17 PM JT-Shop: so now you have a working configuration?
04:17 PM lcvette__: now i have a configuration with evrything shut off
04:17 PM Tom_L: part of the problem as i see it is gmocappy uses older files than debian 9
04:18 PM lcvette__: i wouldn't call that working
04:18 PM JT-Shop: I think it is an OS issue, like something worked in Ubuntu 10 but not in debian 9
04:18 PM lcvette__: lol
04:18 PM Tom_L: we'll figure it out..
04:18 PM lcvette__: im pretty sure it is something with python
04:18 PM lcvette__: plugin
04:18 PM lcvette__: everything is pointing at that
04:19 PM JT-Shop: which python plugin? a plugin for gommacappy
04:19 PM JT-Shop: ?
04:19 PM lcvette__: it is something to do with the atc functionality
04:19 PM lcvette__: and some remapping
04:20 PM lcvette__: it calls for a file and it knows where it is but either doesn't recognize it or can't open it
04:20 PM JT-Shop: so what OS is your friend using?
04:21 PM lcvette__: https://pastebin.com/RDCKUyE7
04:21 PM lcvette__: he nis running the standard download from the linuxcnc page
04:22 PM JT-Shop: yea but which one?
04:22 PM JT-Shop: I'm running a standard dist Ubuntu 10
04:22 PM JT-Shop: ...
04:23 PM lcvette__: i'll have to ask him
04:23 PM lcvette__: he is sleeping at the moment
04:24 PM JT-Shop: is that the dmesg paste?
04:24 PM JT-Shop: if so clear it first then start your config
04:24 PM JT-Shop: the post that
04:24 PM JT-Shop: then post that
04:25 PM lcvette__: yeah the latest from last night after chris morley gave me a repair file to eliminate a error message i was getting from a python player.py file being unable to import due to python-gst being to new on this version of preempt
04:26 PM JT-Shop: hmm you have debug set to fffff?
04:26 PM lcvette__: i don't have anyhting set
04:27 PM lcvette__: i don't know how to set anything
04:27 PM lcvette__: i have been a linux user since i did my first install last saturday
04:27 PM JT-Shop: 1500 lines in dmesg is a lot
04:27 PM lcvette__: i don't know much
04:27 PM rene-dev_: whats the actual error maeeage?
04:27 PM JT-Shop: your making progress then, see what debug is set at in your ini file
04:28 PM rene-dev_: I had a quick look, but could not see it
04:28 PM lcvette__: https://pastebin.com/Vuq2QzS6
04:28 PM lcvette__: ini
04:28 PM rene-dev_: yeah, I have seen those
04:28 PM lcvette__: https://pastebin.com/u7J0mhSW
04:28 PM lcvette__: hal
04:29 PM gloops: line 7 ini
04:29 PM lcvette__: set to 0
04:30 PM JT-Shop: Lcvette: open a terminal and type in sudo dmesg -c then start your config then type in dmesg > error.txt
04:31 PM rene-dev_: no, the 7i92 wont work with rtai. it needs rt preempt
04:32 PM rene-dev_: if the errors are in dmesg and not stdout, you are using the wrong kernel/linuxcnc version
04:32 PM * JT-Shop wonders what the [PYTHON] section is doing?
04:32 PM JT-Shop: time to have a beer with the chickens
04:32 PM lcvette__: * lcvette is not sure what to do
04:33 PM rene-dev_: run uname -a
04:33 PM lcvette__: i typed in what you said
04:36 PM JT-Shop: pastebin the error.txt file
04:36 PM Deejay: gn8
04:37 PM lcvette__: https://pastebin.com/eKKv3BZ8
04:43 PM JT-Shop: board fails HM2 registration
04:44 PM JT-Shop: do you have field power to both 7i76 and 7i77?
04:44 PM JT-Shop: maybe pcw_home can shed some light on that error
04:45 PM lcvette__: not currently
04:45 PM lcvette__: field power happens when main machine power is turned on
04:46 PM lcvette__: do i need to change that?
04:48 PM lcvette__: i have the 7i92 board 5v power triggered on with pc power via relay and the field power supply is initiated with the main machine power
04:48 PM lcvette__: i don't have that on right now because it runs off a 25hp Rotary phase converter
04:49 PM lcvette__: i'd prefer not to sit and listen to it while i sort things out
04:49 PM lcvette__: lol.. its annoying
04:49 PM lcvette__: but i can power the field power supply directly if i need to for the moment
04:56 PM rene-dev_: I was about to ask where you are from, but the phase converter just answered the question :D
04:56 PM lcvette__: Wilmington, NC USA
04:57 PM rene-dev_: those slaves should work without field power, but try unplugging them.
05:02 PM pcw_home: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
05:02 PM pcw_home: hm2_eth: rtapi_app_main: Resource temporarily unavailable (-11)
05:02 PM pcw_home: thats some upper level network error no really related to the external hardware
05:04 PM pcw_home: I've seen that before but only after changing some network setup parameter, then it never appears again (In my experience)
05:05 PM lcvette__: uh oh
05:05 PM lcvette__: i broke someting?
05:06 PM lcvette__: maybe when trying to fix the internet?
05:07 PM pcw_home: try pinging the 7i92
05:07 PM lcvette__: ping 7i92
05:07 PM pcw_home: ping 10.10.10.10
05:08 PM lcvette__: its pinging
05:08 PM lcvette__: how do i stop?
05:09 PM pcw_home: control C
05:09 PM lcvette__: https://pastebin.com/eKKv3BZ8
05:09 PM lcvette__: sorry thats not it
05:09 PM lcvette__: ^C--- 10.10.10.10 ping statistics --- 77 packets transmitted, 77 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.120/0.172/0.251/0.023 ms
05:16 PM pcw_home: its probably just that you changed something unrelated on your network setup you might try linuxcnc again
05:16 PM lcvette__: reinstall it?
05:20 PM andypugh: Reistalling LinuxCNC probably won’t help
05:21 PM lcvette__: pcw_home__: you mean reinstall linuxcnc again to try and repair the setting?
05:21 PM lcvette__: oh
05:21 PM andypugh: I joined late, what is the problem?
05:21 PM lcvette__: im actualy not certain anymore
05:22 PM lcvette__: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
05:22 PM lcvette__: hm2_eth: rtapi_app_main: Resource temporarily unavailable (-11)
05:22 PM andypugh: To strip things right down to the minimum, have you tried loading the drivers from the command line?
05:22 PM lcvette__: thats some upper level network error no really related to the external hardware
05:22 PM andypugh: halrun
05:22 PM andypugh: loadrt hostmot2
05:22 PM lcvette__: I've seen that before but only after changing some network setup parameter, then it never appears again (In my experience)
05:22 PM andypugh: loadrt hm2_eth board_ip=10.10.10.10
05:22 PM lcvette__: try pinging the 7i92
05:23 PM lcvette__: ok sorry
05:23 PM lcvette__: was copying the lines from above
05:23 PM andypugh: (You probably get the same error, but it makes the testing lop shorter)
05:24 PM andypugh: Is it possible that the network manager has grabbed the ethernet card and is trying to use it for normal networking?
05:24 PM lcvette__: ok i typed that stuff in
05:25 PM lcvette__: want a pastebin?
05:27 PM lcvette__: https://pastebin.com/dnkN2LYr
05:58 PM JT-Shop-2: Lcvette: what does /etc/network/interfaces have in it?
06:00 PM lcvette__: umm. one sec
06:01 PM lcvette__: # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback auto enp3s0 iface enp3s0 inet static address 10.10.10.12 hardware-irq-coalesce-rx-usecs 0
06:02 PM andypugh: Lcvette: Well, that all looks absolutely fine..
06:03 PM JT-Shop-2: yea looks normal except peter likes to use 10.10.10.1 for some reason
06:03 PM lcvette__: should i make it 1?
06:03 PM JT-Shop-2: I don't think it makes a difference as long as it's not 10.10.10.10.
06:04 PM lcvette__: can't hurt to try?
06:04 PM JT-Shop-2: no can't hurt
06:05 PM lcvette__: do i need to restart anything?
06:05 PM JT-Shop-2: maybe we find out tomorrow what you friend is using for an OS and get that same OS with preempt rt
06:06 PM lcvette__: he will be awake at around 12:30am my time
06:06 PM lcvette__: it6:30pm now here
06:06 PM lcvette__: so 6 hours
06:06 PM JT-Shop-2: so your on east coast time?
06:07 PM lcvette__: yup
06:07 PM lcvette__: hey since i did that demsg thing, im not able to try loading like i was before
06:07 PM JT-Shop-2: service networking restart
06:08 PM JT-Shop-2: that should restart the network
06:08 PM JT-Shop-2: I would have sworn it was systemctl in debian 9....
06:08 PM lcvette__: how do i do that?
06:08 PM JT-Shop-2: terminal
06:08 PM lcvette__: yup
06:09 PM tiwake: JT-Shop-2: it is
06:09 PM JT-Shop-2: unable to find it lol
06:09 PM * JT-Shop-2 is finished making chicken dirt and heads back to the chicken yard
06:09 PM tiwake: JT-Shop-2: maybe network-manager?
06:10 PM lcvette__: will rebooting the compiuyter do it?/
06:10 PM JT-Shop-2: maybe, I'm on Linux Mint 17 something here
06:10 PM JT-Shop-2: always lol
06:10 PM lcvette__: ok
06:10 PM lcvette__: in that case, i gotta go eat before wife hurts me
06:10 PM lcvette__: back in afew
06:10 PM JT-Shop-2: ok
06:21 PM lcvette__: back
06:22 PM lcvette__: rebooting
06:29 PM lcvette_: everything is back to how it was, changing the 12 to 1 made no difference as anticipated
06:44 PM lcvette_: ok, im going to try something, i hve no idea how well it will work but i did at one point flirt with the idea of doing it and purchased the cables to do it
06:45 PM lcvette_: i have on hand a 6i25 card and some 15' vga, and usb extention cables to try and move the computer to the rear cabinet and have the peripherals up front
06:45 PM lcvette_: not sure if 15' usb extnion cables and pendants and touchscreen controls are a good idea
06:47 PM lcvette_: i suppose at this point that would solve my latency problem probably
06:48 PM lcvette_: can i download and try running the regular linuxcnc distribution on this pc before i start moving it all arounhd?
06:50 PM lcvette_: and which version should i try with this computer?
06:51 PM lcvette_: just the regular debian wheezy?
07:34 PM Lcvette: I'm hoping I'll be ok, I just looked up some information on USB extensions and it says 16' for USB 2.0 devices which is what I have I believe
07:35 PM Lcvette: The touch screen, uses both vga and USB, the keyboard is USB, I have a pretty for flash sticks for programs, and one for my shuttle pro
07:36 PM Lcvette: I guess if this works it resolves all the latency issues and compatibility issues
08:05 PM Tom_L: i think i'm using wheezy on my mill
08:07 PM Tom_L: but i've got a test machine in the office running stretch with preempt
08:15 PM lcvette_: join
08:15 PM lcvette_: ok, so im running the regular debian wheezy rtai linuxcnc in live mode
08:16 PM lcvette_: and have been running latency for about 10 minutes now openning programs watching youtube whatever i can do
08:18 PM lcvette_: servo thread (1ms): 1017097 max jitter 28167
08:19 PM lcvette_: base thread (25us) 64537 max jitter 39575
08:19 PM lcvette_: still bad
08:21 PM lcvette_: and my touch screen no longer works
08:21 PM lcvette_: :(
08:22 PM gregcnc: that's not good enough to run a mesa card?
08:22 PM pcw_home: I think you just chose a particular machine thats no good for Preempt-RT
08:23 PM pcw_home: (or at least the kernel that comes with Stretch)
08:23 PM lcvette_: this is the rtai
08:24 PM lcvette_: but yes much worse with preemt rt
08:25 PM pcw_home: thats probably fine, But I think for some reason the MB you chose is really bad with Preempt-RT
08:25 PM lcvette_: are these numbers ok for running a 6i25?
08:25 PM pcw_home: should be
08:26 PM lcvette_: to me that means no
08:26 PM lcvette_: lol
08:26 PM lcvette_: ok
08:26 PM lcvette_: so scratch the idea of moving crap around
08:26 PM lcvette_: ill get the 8300 elite
08:27 PM lcvette_: although i hate buying used stuff
08:27 PM lcvette_: im the guy who is the 1 in xx who you hear about
08:28 PM pcw_home: Of the 15 or so motherboards I have none except the slowest atoms (330,D525) have such bad latency with Preempt-RT at 1 KHz
08:29 PM pcw_home: you could also run the servo thread slower for the time being
08:30 PM lcvette_: i feel like i want the h97 and g3258, because they are new
08:30 PM lcvette_: and you said good
08:30 PM lcvette_: its a drop in the bucket at this point
08:31 PM lcvette_: unless that asus mobo is no good for some reason
08:35 PM lcvette_: the way my control panel is setup i just need the mobo anyhow
08:35 PM lcvette_: no case or anything
08:43 PM MarcelineVQ: are new mobos more or less prone to being worse for that sort of latency, is it just luck of the draw with each model?
08:49 PM pcw_home: I have not seem much correlation other than that slower MBs are generally not as good for Preempt-RT and than some MBs are just stunningly good
08:49 PM pcw_home: http://freeby.mesanet.com/h97-g3258-preemt-rt.png
08:51 PM MarcelineVQ: got any gigabyte mobo data? :>
08:57 PM pcw_home: I know the gigabyte 1900-BXBT is OK if you dont use the built in wireless
08:58 PM pcw_home: 500 Hz servo thread max if you use the built in WIFI
08:58 PM MarcelineVQ: oh it's a cute little box hehe
08:59 PM pcw_home: I have a similar Zotac thats OK also cant remember the PN ATM but it has 2 Ethernet ports
09:00 PM MarcelineVQ: no worries, it's just for curiosity sake. I've got a little old dell with rtai that's doing just fine but it's not neccesarily going to be what the next machine works off
09:01 PM MarcelineVQ: But I've pretty much owned only gigabyte boards and never had trouble with them so I thought I'd ask
09:02 PM Tom_L: i've got a couple asrock boards that are ok
09:02 PM Tom_L: and i'm running an old atom d525 on the mill (rtai)
09:04 PM pcw_home: this one seems ok also but its new enough that it needs a really recent kernel https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157726
09:05 PM MarcelineVQ: and it's even got a parport you don't have to breakout yourself
09:06 PM pcw_home: yeah a lot of embedded type MBs still have parallel ports (maybe for cash registers/older printers?)
09:07 PM MarcelineVQ: aww it's not on pcpartspicker
09:08 PM Lcvette: That one's good? The link?
09:08 PM Lcvette: $58?
09:08 PM Lcvette: But needs new kennel?
09:08 PM pcw_home: there are some faster versions (J3455 and J4105)
09:09 PM Lcvette: Kernel other than the download?
09:09 PM MarcelineVQ: huh, funny, someone's build using one is on partpicker though
09:09 PM MarcelineVQ: coincidentally in a build for a router
09:09 PM Lcvette: That's where I would get lost
09:09 PM pcw_home: Yeah I cant remember is stretch worked (I thin I tested by moving a Mint 18/4.14 kernel drive)
09:12 PM Lcvette: So that is why the older architecture is easier
09:12 PM Lcvette: Can use established software
09:13 PM Lcvette: I see
09:13 PM Lcvette: .... Well I will certainly pray the pain away
09:13 PM Lcvette: Pay*
09:22 PM Lcvette: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F273201701421
09:23 PM Lcvette: Military class?
09:27 PM pcw_home: The one I tested on was an ASROCK PRO4
09:28 PM pcw_home: H97M Pro4
09:29 PM pcw_home: there are also some workarounds for occasional Ethernet latency overruns/ packet loss
09:30 PM pcw_home: the way to check where you are is to list all the tmax's after running linuxcnc for a while and see where the time is going...
09:31 PM Lcvette: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F142680785075
09:31 PM Lcvette: This
09:31 PM pcw_home: (halcmd show param *.tmax)
09:32 PM pcw_home: I think I paid about $53 for mine new
09:32 PM Lcvette: Yeah... Well... Supply demand
09:33 PM pcw_home: I would not pay any serious money for a used Motherboard
09:33 PM Tom_L: what is intel speedstep in the bios?
09:33 PM Lcvette: Apparently that g3258 is still a very capable CPU and those h97 mobos are getting harder to come by
09:34 PM pcw_home: It may sell be that H100s are just as good, I just dont happen to have one
09:35 PM Lcvette: Bird in the hand
09:37 PM pcw_home: what is the actual CPU you have now?
09:37 PM Tom_L: pcw_home is multifrequency bad for latency in the bios?
09:37 PM Lcvette: AMD A6-7400K FM2+
09:38 PM Tom_L: also, what are cpu 'C' states?
09:38 PM Tom_L: and should they be on or off
09:38 PM pcw_home: off
09:40 PM pcw_home: yes you want to turn off "turbo mode, AMD cool&quiet etc etc)
09:42 PM Tom_L: i turned those off and am getting ~38k servo thread now running ytube etc
09:42 PM Tom_L: on this asrock
09:42 PM pcw_home: what CPU/OS?
09:42 PM Tom_L: does base thread matter on ethernet?
09:42 PM Tom_L: stretch
09:42 PM pcw_home: no, no base thread
09:43 PM Tom_L: asrock q1900b itx
09:43 PM Tom_L: i think it's a gen5 cpu
09:44 PM Lcvette: Lost everything after my questions about the CPU and Mobo in elite 8300
09:44 PM Tom_L: box says gen7
09:45 PM MarcelineVQ: Lcvette: https://gist.github.com/MarcelineVQ/99de12b8d5cc7b1f7278116f867e449e
09:45 PM Tom_L: 43k now
09:45 PM Tom_L: Lcvette, log
09:46 PM Tom_L: pcw_home, how can i tell from linux? does it have a tool like cpuz?
09:46 PM pcw_home: Tell what?
09:47 PM Tom_L: what cpu it is
09:47 PM Lcvette: Core 5i 3470s with what Mobo?
09:47 PM pcw_home: a Q1900 must use s Intel J1900
09:47 PM MarcelineVQ: Tom_L: cat proc/cpuinfo
09:48 PM MarcelineVQ: /proc
09:49 PM Tom_L: yeah J1900
09:49 PM MarcelineVQ: you might have lscpu as well, or possibly hardinfo
09:49 PM Tom_L: been a while since i messed with it
09:50 PM MarcelineVQ: there's a few other options I didn't know about too, https://www.binarytides.com/linux-cpu-information/
09:50 PM pcw_home: debian must have GUI system-info thingy also
09:51 PM Tom_L: seems to have leveled off around 46k
09:51 PM Tom_L: is that still good for preempt?
09:52 PM Tom_L: changing those 2 bios settings helped
09:52 PM pcw_home: yeah, should be fine, I ran a Ethernet card on both a J1900 MB and a J1900 MiniPC and they were fine (other than miniPC wireless card)
09:53 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTRl6cPbOzo <---*CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED*
09:53 PM flyback: *CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED**CANUCKED*
09:53 PM MarcelineVQ: Lcvette: have you explored the bios options on your mobo for things you could tweak to try to cut the latency?
09:54 PM Tom_L: this pc is the same board but mini itx
09:54 PM pcw_home: Yeah for AMD Cool&Quiet needs to be disabled at the minimum
09:54 PM Tom_L: i may try it out there one of these days. have to swap out hdd etc
09:54 PM XXCoder: flyback: auto-vomit image stabilizer uggjh
09:54 PM * flyback grinds rue_mohr against the cnc machine
09:54 PM MarcelineVQ: I turned off a lot of stuff on mine before even installing lcnc, mostly powersaving things
09:55 PM Tom_L: i'm just testing with this one for now
09:55 PM Tom_L: but it's got a good config on it for the mill
09:55 PM flyback: MEGA CANUCKED
09:55 PM Lcvette: I have no idea what to touch in there
09:55 PM flyback: it's like it threw a rod and they kept the mACHINE On
09:55 PM flyback: ouch
09:55 PM flyback: oh wait it's working now
09:56 PM MarcelineVQ: flyback: yeah the vids on that machine are all pretty neat
09:56 PM flyback: oh you are
09:56 PM * flyback grinds MarcelineVQ against the machine
09:56 PM * MarcelineVQ dithers
09:56 PM Lcvette: The options are very confusing in my bios settings
09:57 PM flyback: mabye they can save that thing
09:57 PM flyback: seems like it's massive enough to be worth it
09:58 PM Tom_L: i've got a spare gigabyte board i could try but i don't really wanna use it for the mill
09:58 PM MarcelineVQ: Lcvette: look them up one at a time if you're not sure about them, there will be documentation about bios settings. if there's a power settings section those are typically pretty harmless
09:59 PM MarcelineVQ: if you know the board you could get the manual too, probably a good idea anyway
10:00 PM Lcvette: AMD c&q
10:00 PM Lcvette: Cool and quiet?
10:00 PM Tom_L: Lcvette, make sure you turn off all screensavers too
10:00 PM Lcvette: Disable?
10:00 PM Tom_L: yes
10:00 PM Lcvette: AMD turbo core
10:01 PM Tom_L: maybe it'll drowned out the phase inverter :)
10:01 PM flyback: is it one of those hp dekstops
10:01 PM flyback: that had a amd itx insided
10:01 PM flyback: I have one too
10:01 PM flyback: it's slower than shit
10:01 PM flyback: even linxu is like 2x slow but will do fine for video
10:01 PM flyback: thx to the gpu
10:01 PM Tom_L: flyback, we're looking at latency numbers not speed
10:01 PM flyback: it might suck for that
10:01 PM flyback: :P
10:01 PM XXCoder: yeah 12 year old pc is fine
10:01 PM flyback: neta little board though
10:02 PM XXCoder: as long as latency is good
10:03 PM Lcvette: I'm on my phone on the irc and in the BIOS on the computer, anyone mind guiding me on these items?
10:04 PM Lcvette: I'm in CPU configuration and have "AMD Turbo Core" auto or disable
10:05 PM pcw_home: disable
10:05 PM Lcvette: CPU C6 Report enable or disable
10:06 PM Tom_L: disable
10:06 PM pcw_home: you should not see that since the CPU should never be able to get into C6...
10:07 PM Lcvette: Ok
10:07 PM Tom_L: check the latency now
10:08 PM pcw_home: if you have cool&quiet option, turn that off also
10:08 PM Tom_L: i think he did
10:10 PM Lcvette: Power management setup
10:10 PM Lcvette: Looks like everything is disabled
10:11 PM Lcvette: Sata configuration?
10:11 PM Lcvette: Anything in there to look at?
10:11 PM Tom_L: probably not
10:11 PM Lcvette: Onchip data channel
10:11 PM Lcvette: Sata*
10:11 PM Lcvette: Sata mode ide
10:12 PM Lcvette: Raid
10:12 PM Lcvette: Or ahci
10:12 PM Tom_L: you're not running raid are you?
10:12 PM Lcvette: It's on ide
10:12 PM Tom_L: i'd leave that default
10:13 PM Lcvette: CPU over ratio configuration?
10:14 PM Lcvette: Auto or manual
10:14 PM Lcvette: On auto
10:15 PM Lcvette: Guessing leave that on auto
10:15 PM Lcvette: Anything in boot?
10:15 PM Lcvette: Quiet boot ode?
10:15 PM Lcvette: Launch pxe oprom
10:16 PM Lcvette: Launch storage oprom
10:17 PM Lcvette_: Log
10:18 PM Lcvette_: Ok saving and exciting
10:18 PM tiwake: Lcvette_: you want AHCI
10:18 PM tiwake: honestly
10:18 PM tiwake: unless you actually have IDE drives
10:19 PM tiwake: IDE is just a legacy mode for crap
10:19 PM Lcvette_: I have a Corsair 120gb SSD
10:19 PM Lcvette_: Sould ic change?
10:19 PM tiwake: also I'm PXE netinstalling ubuntu right now
10:20 PM tiwake: if anybody ever uses the ubuntu 18.04 netinstall PXE thing, you need to change the permissions on ubuntu-install/amd64/linux so the TFTP server can read the image
10:21 PM lcvette: join
10:23 PM lcvette: definitely not better
10:23 PM lcvette: its actually worse
10:24 PM tiwake: if the operating system was installed while the motherboard firmware was set to IDE then you need to leave it like that
10:25 PM lcvette: servo thread (1ms) 1123486 max jitter 123486
10:25 PM tiwake: but it is better if its set to AHCI generally
10:25 PM lcvette: base thread (25us) 342219 max jitter 317219
10:27 PM lcvette: this is with ide
10:27 PM lcvette: i did not change that
10:27 PM Tom_L: lower case
10:29 PM lcvette: how did you do that tom?
10:29 PM Tom_L: lower case log not Log
10:29 PM lcvette: sweet
10:30 PM Tom_L: also, 'index' will give you a calendar of other days
10:30 PM lcvette: YES!!!!
10:30 PM lcvette: thats awesome!
10:30 PM lcvette: how do i make a name red to call on someone?
10:31 PM Tom_L: you mean private message?
10:31 PM lcvette: no just in here
10:31 PM Tom_L: no idea
10:31 PM lcvette: ah
10:31 PM Tom_L: that's client specific
10:31 PM XXCoder: lcvette: like this?
10:31 PM lcvette: yes
10:31 PM XXCoder: its client like tom said
10:31 PM lcvette: how'd you do that?
10:31 PM XXCoder: just state full nick of person
10:31 PM XXCoder: theres auto tab to automate that
10:32 PM XXCoder: start typing xx then tab
10:32 PM lcvette: XXcoder: like that?
10:32 PM XXCoder: yep
10:32 PM lcvette: ok
10:32 PM lcvette: wasn't sure if i was doing it right
10:32 PM XXCoder: in my case nick appears as yellow, and titlebar flashes
10:32 PM lcvette: was always just black to me
10:33 PM XXCoder: yeah it dont do tht for you to someone else, only someone else to you
10:33 PM lcvette: ok so its official i found the worse cpu/mobo combo money could buy
10:33 PM lcvette: and bought two of them
10:33 PM XXCoder: return?
10:33 PM lcvette: yeah.. no
10:33 PM lcvette: bought them over a year ago
10:33 PM lcvette: took them out of their cases
10:34 PM lcvette: bough them brand new
10:34 PM lcvette: :/
10:34 PM XXCoder: doh
10:34 PM lcvette: yeah
10:34 PM lcvette: never bought AMD in my life always intel
10:34 PM lcvette: but was told get AMD for linux
10:34 PM lcvette: oh well
10:34 PM lcvette: se la vie
10:35 PM tiwake: AMD is nice
10:35 PM Tom_L: they can still be used for pc's
10:35 PM lcvette: use them for something fdown the road
10:35 PM lcvette: yup
10:36 PM lcvette: pcw_home: do you know if that H97/G3258 combo also works well with the regular 6i25 card for latency?
10:37 PM lcvette: in the event i can't figure out the stretch issues
10:41 PM lcvette: MarcelineVQ: https://pastebin.com/rndxUBy5
10:42 PM lcvette: thank you for that link on how to pull up this information'
10:42 PM XXCoder: can always use it for machines thats far less sensive to latency, like plotter
10:42 PM XXCoder: or cutter
10:45 PM lcvette: true
10:46 PM lcvette: or maybe just a shop terminal to keep in touch with you guys throughout the day
10:47 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:50 PM lcvette: sup russ
10:51 PM russtuff: YO
10:52 PM tiwake: ponies
10:53 PM XXCoder: what a ruff life
10:57 PM lcvette: does linux have like log me in stuff?
10:57 PM lcvette: 123
11:48 PM MarcelineVQ: lcvette: you might need to be more specific about that
11:48 PM MarcelineVQ: smokey outside, I hope the forest fires aren't starting already this year