#linuxcnc Logs
May 12 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:07 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:12 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder, at tchernobyl they used 6000mm rails to move the 15000 Tonns roof
01:13 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder, that is a thick rail
01:13 AM XXCoder: 6 meter wide eh
01:13 AM XXCoder: yep now that is thick lol
01:13 AM IchGucksLive: 600mm Sorry
01:13 AM XXCoder: 600mm is still very thick. wider than my cnc router workspace lol
01:19 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.mammoet.com/siteassets/cases/arch-over-chernobyl/por.-referral-news---279-skidding-shoes-for-chernobyl---mammoet1.jpg
01:20 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder, there is nothing that showes the size
01:20 AM IchGucksLive: thex shoudt pus a people infront
01:20 AM XXCoder: yeah though I do know of chernobyl roof project
01:20 AM XXCoder: its huge
01:24 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder, here is one https://www.breakbulk.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Mammoet-.png
01:25 AM XXCoder: nice
01:26 AM IchGucksLive: so the vmc refit did its first light i read in the logs
01:27 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
01:27 AM XXCoder: LATER
02:28 AM Deejay: moin
02:37 AM gloops: copper wire at almost £5 a kilo at scrapyard
02:38 AM gloops: but ive got cast iron scrap £0.08 a kilo haha
02:48 AM XXCoder: not surpised
02:48 AM XXCoder: its heavy, and common
02:55 AM gloops: well the prices dont suggest a general uptake in construction and manufacturing, but definitely seems to be a shortage of copper and brass, never know copper price that high
02:56 AM gloops: aluminium £0.60 - normal price
02:56 AM gloops: ive got several lumps of cast i thought id take in, guessing about 300kg, im not going to bother for that, scrap man can take it
03:09 AM XXCoder: im currently kilning iron ore into iron bars
03:12 AM gloops: where you work XXCoder?
03:12 AM XXCoder: heh I was semi-kidding
03:12 AM XXCoder: im playing minecraft
03:12 AM gloops: ahh lol
03:18 AM XXCoder: im telling ya
03:18 AM XXCoder: bucket is insanely powerful tool in minecraft
03:18 AM XXCoder: it can carry water, thats normal
03:18 AM XXCoder: it can also carry lava
03:21 AM XXCoder: it can also grab a cube worth of water underwater, leaving me with brief air lol
03:21 AM XXCoder: critical for certain explorations
03:40 AM gloops: ive never played it lol
03:40 AM gloops: not played a game since unreal tournament II
03:40 AM gloops: im messing about with sign ideas for the shed https://ibb.co/d5kw1J
03:42 AM XXCoder: Big Smack Daves
03:43 AM gloops: thats SHACK lol
03:43 AM gloops: big daves shack
03:44 AM gloops: its good to have others look over something you designed, you can lose the true impression of it while working on something
03:46 AM gloops: these signs need thinking through for minimum post machining work
03:46 AM gloops: painting intricate details and stuff like that is not something i want
03:47 AM gloops: i could paint the big and dave areas black before pocketing, and gold leaf the shack area, when its cut out, nothing to do only clearcoat
03:48 AM XXCoder: I wonder how effective black 2.0 would be for back areas
03:48 AM XXCoder: black
03:49 AM gloops: black 2.0?
03:50 AM XXCoder: yeah its arylic painting thats very black
03:50 AM XXCoder: not as black as the blackest black ever
03:50 AM gloops: or, just spray the board black, gold the shack area on the black - machine, done
03:50 AM XXCoder: but damn dark
03:50 AM gloops: suppose it depends what effect you want
03:51 AM XXCoder: https://culturehustle.com/products/black-v1-0-beta-the-world-s-mattest-flattest-blackest-art-material
03:51 AM gloops: artists rarely use pure black
03:51 AM XXCoder: yeah though I want to play with that color see what it can do lol
03:52 AM XXCoder: they also have pinkest pink. its pinker than any digital picture can show
03:53 AM gloops: ill try to remember that in case needed
03:53 AM gloops: acrylic must be the best for this kind of stuff
03:54 AM XXCoder: https://culturehustle.com/collections/powders
03:54 AM XXCoder: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1543/0863/products/GIF_large.gif?v=1523894597
03:54 AM XXCoder: if you look carefull you can... barely see 3d shape https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1543/0863/products/UNICORN_large.jpg?v=1523895271
03:55 AM gloops: that is pretty black
03:55 AM gloops: and unreflective
04:16 AM XXCoder: yeah
04:16 AM XXCoder: only thing blacker is vantablack
04:16 AM XXCoder: and THAT is insanely expensive and impossible to apply to many materialss
04:33 AM gloops: ive got some vinyl bits and pieces for experimenting, it machines off well, doesnt stick totally well to wood though, and looks a bit plasticy, paint is better for wood
04:33 AM XXCoder: arcylic seems good for machining also
04:33 AM XXCoder: I have 2 sheets waiting
04:33 AM XXCoder: oh forgot to say
04:34 AM XXCoder: your sign seems cool. bit old western as seen in movies etc
04:38 AM gloops: lol, its an old western style font, the problem is it doesnt enlarge smoothly so might have to look for alternatives, ive been playing about with stacking text and stuff like that, all the techniques the expert sign makers use are very easy to do with a bit of studying
04:39 AM gloops: but what looks well on a screen might not machine so good, will have to do some real life tests
04:41 AM gloops: also need to get letter spacing right, so cutter can get through
04:45 AM XXCoder: yeah kerning can bite ass
05:06 AM MarcelineVQ: I imagine an issue with true blacks is that you have to clean them more often
05:07 AM XXCoder: likely yeah
05:08 AM XXCoder: I wonder if someone could make perfect white
05:08 AM XXCoder: like black 2.0 in that it cant show 3d shape
05:09 AM MarcelineVQ: seems like a taller order, you'd need a material that could accept daylight and add more color to it, whereas black just needs to not allow color to escape
05:10 AM XXCoder: it'd have to spread light to all points of paint and scatter
05:10 AM MarcelineVQ: daylight isn't white after all, and it doens't seem too useful if the material only works under certain lab conditions
05:10 AM XXCoder: so shadowed areas is same color
05:10 AM XXCoder: unobtainable
05:11 AM MarcelineVQ: had a real productive day here. my cnc wood lathe components are all assembled and hooked up, testing to be done tomorrow and then it can be attached to the existing wood lathe.
05:14 AM MarcelineVQ: it's been a lot of fun, learning a lot of the unexpected little lessons along the way
05:34 AM XXCoder: i bet :)
05:50 AM jthornton: morning
05:54 AM XXCoder: hey
06:49 AM Tom_L: morning
07:03 AM jthornton: was trying to replace the can lights over the sink with LED's but they are 12v can lights so now I have to demo out the sheetrock to get to the transformer and remove it
08:29 AM fragalot: hey
08:35 AM jthornton: hay
08:41 AM diverdude: hi
08:46 AM diverdude: Hello, I have this engraver: https://my-small.link/QbImX/ which I am hoping to be able to control via linuxCNC. Is that possible? Also, I am running ubuntu 16.04 on a laptop machine - can i just install linuxCNC as an application there or do i need to run linuxCNC as a special Operative System? FInally, if 2 previous questions are feasible, can I include linuxCNC library in my own c program and use it directly to send single co
08:50 AM rmu: diverdude: linuxCNC needs a special linux kernel to work predictably (at least the "preempt-rt" variant)
08:50 AM rmu: diverdude: the USB interface box will not work
08:51 AM diverdude: rmu: ok, linuxCMC does not support USB?
08:52 AM rmu: diverdude: not for stuff that needs to run realtime
08:52 AM diverdude: rmu: ok, when you mean realtime, what do you mean?
08:52 AM diverdude: *when you say
08:53 AM rmu: diverdude: i suspect that this thing contains some sort or arduino with a grbl-variant that does the motion control
08:54 AM rmu: diverdude: with linuxcnc, motion-control happens on the PC and communication with whatever does the motion (stepper motors in this case) has to be very precise and happen in predictable intervals
08:54 AM diverdude: rmu: im not sure. It has this big black controller box which is also shown on the link. I guess this controls the motion
08:54 AM rmu: that is meant by "realtime" i.e. there are no unexpected delays ever
08:55 AM diverdude: rmu: i can run the this CNC from windows95 with a program called CNC USB Controller. Here I have a GUI where i can move the stepmotors as I want
08:56 AM diverdude: rmu: so all i was hoping was to be able to do that somehow from my C/C++ program instead....and I thought I could do it via linuxcnc
08:57 AM rmu: if you really want to use linuxcnc with this machine, you would need a PC with native parallel port (i.e. no usb<->parallel interface), fitting break out board and stepper drivers
08:58 AM rmu: windows95 sounds strange ;)
08:58 AM rmu: did that even support USB?
09:03 AM jthornton: BME280 hooked up and showing up on the RPi :)
09:04 AM diverdude: rmu: sorry, windowsXP :)
09:04 AM diverdude: rmu: sorry about my naive questions, but what is a break out board?
09:08 AM rmu: something that terminate a parallel printer cable into screw terminals where you can connect stepper motor drivers and other stuff
09:09 AM rmu: often contains some kind of (primitive) logic
09:11 AM rmu: diverdude: do you see the machine in the windows device manager?
09:11 AM diverdude: rmu:i see CNC USB Controller
09:12 AM rmu: what type of device is it?
09:12 AM diverdude: i will show you 2 sec¨
09:14 AM diverdude: rmu: mmm it shows as a USB. I am not sure how to see what the type is
09:15 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:17 AM rmu: diverdude: I suspect something like GRBL is running on the black box that is connected via USB. See https://github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Using-Grbl
09:17 AM diverdude: rmu: https://ibb.co/dfUXad
09:18 AM rmu: sorry, can
09:18 AM rmu: 't help with this.
09:19 AM rmu: maybe you can find out USB vendor id/device id
09:19 AM rmu: I would try some GRBL GUI if it wants to connect
09:19 AM diverdude: rmu: ok, so you think that the commands which are being sent via the USB cabel from the CNC program on my windowsXP machine to that black box which is controlling the stepper motors - those commands are something proprietary which linuxCNC cannot do and i need to make something like an arduino card that can be connected directly to the stepper motors instead and then control that arduino card via the computer?
09:21 AM rmu: diverdude: I think that you send "G-Codes" via USB to the black box, and that is generating the signals for the stepper controllers
09:21 AM rmu: diverdude: linuxcnc wants to generate those signals in the PC and deliver them without latency/jitter to the motor drivers which is not possible via USB
09:21 AM diverdude: rmu: right...so cant i just make a program that sends G-codes via the USB then?
09:21 AM rmu: diverdude: probably you can
09:23 AM rmu: but I'm just guessing at this point ;)
09:23 AM rmu: thix box could be anything
09:24 AM mtpocketscnc: diverdude: ceck out planetcnc on google. I got that from your screenshot. google comes up with some results including youtube videos. You may be able to find out from that what they are doing to send commands :)
09:27 AM diverdude: mtpocketscnc: oh nice idea
09:30 AM diverdude: mtpocketscnc: at least they seem to have linux drivers.....now i just wonder if i can somehow use those drivers from a script or as an included library in a c/c++ program or similar
09:35 AM mtpocketscnc: diverdude: http://forum.planet-cnc.com/ I would look in here. There's a DIY section too.
09:48 AM diverdude: mtpocketscnc: hm.....i tried installing linux server and connected machine to linux pc....but there is no response
09:55 AM diverdude: hmm maybe this system has an MK2 board
10:18 AM Tom_L: jthornton, look for some RV LED lights instead of knocking out the celing
10:20 AM Tom_L: http://www.livinlightly.com/affordable-12v-rv-lighting/
10:38 AM Lcvette: Man are you guys going rv' in?
10:45 AM * Tecan >>> Auto-op est suspendu...
10:55 AM Tom_L: Lcvette so what happened?
11:09 AM Lcvette: Errr success.... Then.... I crashed it and hurt the two front linear trucks
11:09 AM Tom_L: maybe unhook the ballscrew connectors during initial test?
11:10 AM gloops: no limits?
11:11 AM Lcvette: I just made a really basic config to try and get it to load
11:11 AM Lcvette: Crash occurred within 20 seconds of it working
11:11 AM Lcvette: got used to seeing metric units
11:12 AM Lcvette: Saw velocity slider Mac was 1500
11:12 AM Lcvette: Meatballs thought ok60ipm
11:12 AM Lcvette: Mentally
11:12 AM Lcvette: After crash.. Closer look saw it was 1500ipm
11:13 AM Lcvette: First directional test moves were very sorry and acceleration values were low so it appears slow
11:13 AM Lcvette: Once I held the key a little longer the acis took off to full speed 709ipm
11:14 AM Lcvette: Couldn't get off the key fast enough
11:16 AM Tom_L: well, it moves.
11:16 AM Lcvette: Yeah, it m moves!
11:16 AM Lcvette: Lol
11:16 AM Lcvette: Did move
11:18 AM Lcvette: Gotta wait till tomorrow night and see about getting some replacement trucks
11:18 AM Lcvette: Sould be able to replace them one at a time without too much trouble
11:19 AM Lcvette: Thank goodness it was the front side
11:42 AM jthornton: Tom_L: the problem is the transformers are noisy as well as using a lot more power than a led
12:00 PM enleth: jthornton: if you know where the transformer is exactly, you can get at it with a hole saw and patch it up later quite easily
12:06 PM enleth: jthornton: http://howtospecialist.com/structure/how-to-patch-a-hole-in-drywall/ this is a variation of my favourite trick, no backing board needed, although I tend to bevel the edges of the hole slightly as well, to get a larger contact surface between fresh joint compound and the original material
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: hi all
12:40 PM fragalot: hi
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: ;-)
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: Lcvette, so it runs
12:58 PM jthornton: enleth: not sure where it's at
12:58 PM jthornton: but a hole saw might be my best bet to look
01:01 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pacer-compact-cnc-router-machine-700mm-x-800mm-with-computer-and-software/332649918294?
01:02 PM enleth: jthornton: one more thing: a "buzzer" type AC wire winder can be quite sensitive to transformers
01:02 PM jthornton: enleth: I have built several houses including the drywall :) so patching is in my skill set
01:03 PM jthornton: I think it's time to put a 1/2" hole in the sheetrock and use my laptop to see what's up there
01:05 PM enleth: jthornton: BTW, every time I see US-made articles about patching drywall, the photos only show a single sheet layer, while I was taught - with a very throughout explanation of why and what for - to always use two layers on anything that can be actually considered a wall, not just a decoration. is it a normal practice to not use multiple layers on walls over there?
01:07 PM enleth: ("always" meaning "if you care how it looks", obviously a wall in a storage closet etc. is exempt, no one's going to be upset about slight cracking there)
01:08 PM gloops: only 1 sheet of 12mm here, unless its a fire barrier, then its 2 sheets
01:08 PM enleth: interesting
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: .weather zweibrücken ,germany
01:10 PM enleth: I'd expect wooden framed buildings to shift, stretch and move even more than brick or concrete, and cause the drywall to be more prone to fatigue cracking at the joints and around door frames
01:11 PM gloops: in fact in many new builds the system doesnt use single sheets - its already formed into 2 sides with a paper honeycomb inbetween
01:11 PM fragalot: any walls I put up have 2 sheets, ceilings are single
01:11 PM fragalot: enleth: I think you just fill the cracks up when they appear & use a stretchy latex paint
01:11 PM enleth: actually, I just realized that wooden drywall framing doesn't seem to have any allowance for vertical movement to accomodate the ceiling above bowing
01:12 PM enleth: metal framing, when done correctly, can allow the whole wall surface on both sides to slide up and down as required
01:12 PM enleth: with a gap by the floor, covered by beading
01:12 PM gloops: timber studding wont move much
01:13 PM JT-Shop: depends on the cost of the house lol
01:14 PM fragalot: enleth: the US is still a developling country though :-)
01:14 PM fragalot: hasn't been around long enough to warrant putting up permanent structures :P
01:14 PM gloops: i wouldnt buy one of these new houses, theyre thrown up
01:14 PM CaptHindsight: no money in that
01:14 PM CaptHindsight: same for cures
01:14 PM fragalot: gloops: I quite like state of the art homes
01:15 PM fragalot: where you need to switch on the aircon because it's too warm indoors in january
01:15 PM gloops: everything clicks together, everything is lightweight and crappy, so that idiots can build them
01:15 PM fragalot: because you can't open the windows
01:16 PM gloops: we dont have aircon in yorkshire
01:16 PM gloops: put more clothes on if youre cold
01:16 PM fragalot: you would for passive home builds
01:17 PM gloops: there are no stud walls in this house, and no breeze blocks either
01:17 PM enleth: fragalot: actually, funny thing is, I'm getting the impression that because the US was first to introduce many technologies, it's actually worse off now than the rest of the world - because the very first versions of those technologies are still in widespread use and are slow to be replaced with more modern alternatives
01:17 PM fragalot: enleth: Quite possible
01:18 PM fragalot: gloops: I have one stud wall, in the bathroom to give me room to run all of the piping
01:18 PM fragalot: behind it is your run of the mill solid double brick with void & another brick
01:20 PM gloops: well, everything else is going the crappy way, so i suppose its only to be expected houses will as well
01:20 PM fragalot: of course made from locally sourced clay (literally down the road), fired locally (at the other end of the road), and put together with good quality mortar where everything's held up fine since the 50/60's
01:21 PM gloops: yeah that was the way here too fragalot
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: Lcvette, you got your first crash
01:22 PM lcvette_: yeah
01:22 PM lcvette_: i did
01:23 PM fragalot: nothing major I hope?
01:23 PM gloops: but it was worth it to see the machine move lcvette lol
01:23 PM lcvette_: two linear beainr trucks need to be replaced
01:23 PM fragalot: ouch
01:23 PM lcvette_: yup
01:24 PM enleth: fragalot: I worked at MasterCard for a couple years, so my favourite example is credit cards and how they're still being used in the US (magstripe, signatures, still no EMV in many places, very little in the way of contactless payments) and all the problems that this creates, that almost everyone else managed to fix a long time ago now
01:24 PM gloops: i got to that stage, i didnt care about things that could be just bought and screwed back on, i just wanted the noise/ground hell to end
01:25 PM fragalot: enleth: what I really don't get is credit scores & how much of a major screwup that unifax (name?) thing was
01:25 PM gloops: that project set a new mental benchmark of being utterly pissed off
01:25 PM gloops: for me lol
01:26 PM enleth: fragalot: can't say I do, I never had much to do with the formal side of the issuing process, rather the actual payment process between the card and the terminal
01:27 PM fragalot: enleth: Equifax, not unifax
01:27 PM CaptHindsight: higher score good, lower scored badder
01:28 PM roycroft: we've mostly moved to chip readers, enleth
01:28 PM enleth: over the couple years I was in the industry, 100% of any security problems, frauds, etc. that involved an actual physical card, not internet payments, was caused by backwards compatibility with non-EMV payments
01:28 PM roycroft: it's taken 10x longer than it should have
01:28 PM roycroft: but we're finally getting there
01:28 PM lcvette_: ichGucksLive, query
01:28 PM roycroft: and signatures are not required for most small purchases any more
01:29 PM fragalot: enleth: I've always loved that
01:29 PM fragalot: "here is this more secure thing. also it's optional"
01:29 PM roycroft: it's insane how long it's taken
01:29 PM enleth: fragalot: this exactly
01:30 PM roycroft: a couple or three years ago merchant banks started charging more in processing fees for swipes vs. reading chips at pos terminals - averaging 1% more
01:30 PM enleth: I've actually seen some "semi-internal" memos about how there was supposed to be a hard cutoff date for non-EMV payments in the US and how it's being moved further down the road because someone complained
01:30 PM roycroft: but merchants STILL did not upgrade their card readers
01:30 PM enleth: over and over again
01:30 PM roycroft: that's how things always go in this country
01:30 PM enleth: the whole "they know my credit card number" scare, too
01:31 PM fragalot: and social security number, which makes it even more fun
01:31 PM roycroft: another issue we had in our transition was that, while approvals were almost instantaneous when swiping a card, they would take 45 seconds or more when using the chip reader
01:32 PM roycroft: and people were told that it takes longer "because of added security measures"
01:32 PM fragalot: lol
01:32 PM roycroft: but oddly, starting fairly recently, chip approvals became almost intantaneous
01:33 PM roycroft: at many merchants, the transaction is approved before the transaction is totaled
01:33 PM roycroft: at the local supermarket that i frequent, for example, it used to take about a minute to approve a transaction when i used a chip card
01:34 PM enleth: over here, in the former Soviet bloc, we have this saying, that "communism valiantly and steadfastly fights off problems unknown to any other political system", and it sums up how I feel about the credit card frauds in the US
01:34 PM roycroft: now i insert the card at the beginning of the transaction, and by the time it's fully-inserted it's approved and i am instructed to remove it
01:34 PM roycroft: all this while the cashier is ringing up the first of my items
01:35 PM fragalot: roycroft: I insert it when they've totalled it & the "insert card" message pops pup, enter my pin, hit OK, and it flashes "payment approved, please remove card"
01:35 PM fragalot: no delays whatsoever
01:35 PM roycroft: that works too
01:35 PM roycroft: you know though
01:35 PM enleth: roycroft: either terminal firmware or your bank's authorization host were updated
01:35 PM roycroft: this pre-approval thing did start very recently
01:35 PM roycroft: but i also just realized
01:36 PM roycroft: i used to use a debit card for groceries
01:36 PM roycroft: but discover have 5% cash back on food purchases this quarter
01:36 PM fragalot: ooh this is nice
01:36 PM roycroft: and i've been putting all my groceries on my discover card
01:36 PM fragalot: google sent me an email
01:36 PM fragalot: they're updating their privacy dashboard
01:36 PM fragalot: so I go to hav ea look
01:36 PM roycroft: that's probably why i get instant pre-approval before the transaction is complete
01:36 PM fragalot: everything I click pops up a 404 page
01:36 PM roycroft: i have a $15k credit line on my discover card, and only use it for groceries
01:36 PM roycroft: and i pay my balance off every week
01:37 PM roycroft: so there's never more than $250 or so on the card
01:37 PM fragalot: that is something I don't understand
01:37 PM enleth: roycroft: ah, right, so if the same terminals were taking 45 seconds for a *credit* card previously, that's definitely a firmware update
01:37 PM fragalot: why are they rewarding you for using credit
01:37 PM roycroft: i bet if i used my debit card i would have to wait until the transaction is complete
01:37 PM roycroft: two reasons, fragalot:
01:37 PM roycroft: 1. they make money on merchant fees
01:37 PM enleth: roycroft: the card has a couple flags saying "below this amount, approve offline, the issuing bank will cover any problems no questions asked"
01:38 PM roycroft: not 5%, but the usual 1% or 2% rewards cards more than offset the rewards with merchant fees
01:38 PM enleth: roycroft: but the terminal might have not been configured to honor them
01:38 PM roycroft: 2. (perhaps the biggest reason) they expect you to not pay your balance in full every month, and make money on the interest you pay
01:38 PM roycroft: i pay my discover card every week because i'm used to paying for groceries with cash
01:39 PM roycroft: and i'd rather not be left with a big bill at the end of the month
01:39 PM fragalot: I've got my credit card set to the lowest possible limit
01:39 PM roycroft: when the 5% rewards on groceries deal is over i'll go back to paying it once/month
01:39 PM enleth: 2. is why, so it's free money if you actually can afford what you buy
01:39 PM fragalot: I really want to have a VISA compatible debit card
01:39 PM roycroft: enleth: yes - and for a debit card there is probably no pre-apporoval limit
01:39 PM roycroft: i.e. it checks one's balance every time before doing the auth
01:40 PM roycroft: for credit cards there is probably a pre-approval limit
01:40 PM roycroft: when this grocery deal is over i should probably continue using a credit card for groceries
01:41 PM roycroft: if i can figure out an easy way to keep track of the purchases and pay it off regularly
01:41 PM roycroft: the main card i use is a citi mastercard
01:41 PM roycroft: it has "double cash back" rewards
01:41 PM roycroft: i.e. i get 1% cash back on everything i purchase with it, and an additional 1% back on every payment i make on the card
01:41 PM enleth: roycroft: there can be, but there are "rolling" limit counters as well - so you can get e.g. up to five transactions in a row approved offline, as long as neither of them exceeds $25 and the sum does not exceed $50
01:41 PM roycroft: so 2% in total
01:42 PM roycroft: 2% doesn't sound like a lot, but when you put all your food, fuel, utilities, etc. on it it adds up
01:42 PM roycroft: if i spend $2k/month on that stuff that's $40, which pays for a nice dinner
01:43 PM enleth: roycroft: the software on credit and debit cards is actually identical, the software on the terminal that handles both is the same thing too, but they're configured differently and there's a bunch of different amount-based or frequency-based rolling counters, limits, limit reset rules and so on that are configured by the bank based on their product profile, customer profile, prior experience, etc.
01:43 PM enleth: some banks disable offline approval out of principle, too
01:44 PM roycroft: i'm not sure it's exactly the same here
01:44 PM roycroft: i still run into situations on a semi-regular basis where no debit card transactions work but credit transactions do
01:44 PM enleth: the software itself is, but all the different configuration options are so many and flexible that it can feel like a completely different thing
01:45 PM roycroft: the terminals automatically choose debit vs. credit when a debit card is inserted, because the fees on debit cards are lower than credit cards
01:45 PM enleth: roycroft: shitty terminal config enforced by a dinosaur merchant/acquirer
01:45 PM roycroft: and when debit card processing is down the cashier has to run the card manually
01:45 PM roycroft: because the consumer is not permitted to choose credit vs. debit
01:45 PM roycroft: that's pretty much universal here
01:45 PM enleth: oh, that's interesting. in the EU, terminals just ask for multi-card plastics
01:46 PM roycroft: debit transactions typically cost the merchant 1% or more less than credit transactions
01:46 PM enleth: (which are, admittedly, quite rare)
01:46 PM roycroft: it's pretty significant
01:46 PM fragalot: credit costs more than debit for merchants here
01:46 PM roycroft: most debit cards can also be used for credit transactions
01:46 PM fragalot: some places even have signs up stating that if you use visa under a certain amount they'll charge you more
01:46 PM roycroft: it's unusual to see a non-visa or mastercard debit card
01:47 PM fragalot: which I think will become illegal at some point in the near future in EU
01:47 PM enleth: it is, I think
01:47 PM fragalot: I don't think there are VISA debit cards here
01:47 PM roycroft: in the us the merchant is required by federal law to post a sign on the entry door stating that there is a credit surcharge, and how much that is
01:47 PM fragalot: enleth: I thought that law hadn't passed yet?
01:47 PM enleth: ah, wait
01:47 PM roycroft: nobody around here tries to add a credit surcharge for small purchases
01:48 PM enleth: it didn't, but payment schemes themselves prohibit that
01:48 PM roycroft: however, many stores will charge a fee for running any kind of plastic for small purchases
01:48 PM roycroft: usually $5
01:48 PM enleth: a store that does it can get their license to accept cards revoked
01:48 PM enleth: it's just a breach of contract
01:48 PM roycroft: prior to our law, the credit card issuers enforced that by contract as well
01:49 PM fragalot: enleth: I see. Quite popular with a lot of web stores to do that though
01:49 PM roycroft: the problem is that they did not catch everyone
01:49 PM roycroft: and a lot of stores added a credit surcharge without informing the consumer
01:49 PM roycroft: most of whom never notice
01:52 PM gloops: everybody complains but they never stop using the cards
01:52 PM fragalot: I just bought a new set of ratchets and .. dear god I should have gotten these sooner
01:52 PM fragalot: facom's "360" series of handles is fantastic for tight holes
01:53 PM fragalot: twisting the handle on it either way makes it ratchet
01:55 PM gloops: useful
01:55 PM fragalot: Indeed.
01:55 PM fragalot: bought the 1/4" set without knowing it had this feature & i've just ordered the 1/2" set because I like it so much
01:58 PM gloops: https://www.facom.com/uk/products/Release-type-torque-drivers.html
02:00 PM fragalot: those are neat too
02:00 PM gloops: useful where theres a myriad of small bolts
02:00 PM fragalot: I use similar ones from wera (or wiha, forgot) for electrical connections
02:01 PM fragalot: because I got sick of stripping those copper POS screws
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: I might have missed it, any casting success?
02:11 PM fragalot: you haven't missed it - haven't gotten around to it
02:11 PM fragalot: too many other distractions in life i'm afraid
02:17 PM CaptHindsight: that epoxy you found is working?
02:17 PM fragalot: yeah
02:18 PM fragalot: need to get around to buying & washing more granite
02:18 PM fragalot: and beer to try to persuade a friend to help
02:19 PM fragalot: my main concern has been the RF45 though, getting that thing milled back to squareness in 2 weeks
02:21 PM CaptHindsight: I'm off to enjoy the cold and rain today
02:21 PM fragalot: Enjoy!
02:42 PM lcvette_: anyone in here up for a debug hunt?
02:42 PM lcvette_: https://pastebin.com/gn155PGW
02:44 PM lcvette_: INI https://pastebin.com/Vuq2QzS6
02:45 PM lcvette_: Hal https://pastebin.com/u7J0mhSW
02:48 PM lcvette_: I checked and I have Pythoin 2.7.13 installed
02:48 PM lcvette_: path is correct
02:48 PM lcvette_: file is in folder
02:49 PM lcvette_: not sure how to debug this one
02:52 PM * Loetmichel went to the local "saturn"(electronics superstore) here at my mother in laws place this morning because i forgot my notebook at home 400km away. went in, the Salesperson asked "can i help you?" $me: "Indeed, whats your cheapest notebook?" SP:"depends on what you what you wand to do with it." $me: nope, i just want to VNC home, even an old first generation netbook could do that" [insert
02:52 PM * Loetmichel lengthly explanation here what VNC is and how it works] ... SP:"OOOOKay, then i can offer you this HP RTL8723 for 299,-Eur discounted from 333,- eur." $me: "bought!" SP: "MAAAN i want to always have THAT easy customers!" :-)
02:57 PM flyback: rtl8723 is a wifi chip
02:57 PM flyback: not a laptop model
02:58 PM Loetmichel: oh
02:58 PM flyback: dmidecode | less
02:58 PM flyback: if linux
02:59 PM Loetmichel: right, wrong column on the bottom. its a model 15-bs036ng
02:59 PM Loetmichel: - needs better glasses :-)
03:00 PM flyback: it's about $199 in us
03:00 PM flyback: oh tha's a dell one nm
03:01 PM flyback: it's a atom
03:02 PM Loetmichel: cheap plastic, but decent 1tb HDD, decently bright matte(!) display, 4gb ram, DVDRW, celereon N3060 cpu and gpu
03:02 PM flyback: if it does what you need it's fine
03:03 PM Loetmichel: sufficient cheap that i dont mind it getting dirty on the job (paining and glueing down my MiLs new appartment so she can move in next week.
03:03 PM flyback: ccol, bbl
03:28 PM pcw_home: lcvette_ "./VMC2.hal:4: Warning: File contains DOS-style line endings." might cause other problems
03:32 PM fragalot: lcvette_: basically that means that the file uses "\r\n" as a line ending, rather than just "\n" characters
03:32 PM fragalot: often this is caused when a windows editor was used at some point or another
03:45 PM lcvette_: ok.. i am now editing in gedit but it still isn't fixing it
03:46 PM lcvette_: is there a setting to see the wrong endings so i can fix them?
03:47 PM lcvette_: or just manually click at the end of each line and delete and hit enter?
03:47 PM fragalot: https://www.thingy-ma-jig.co.uk/blog/25-11-2010/fixing-dos-line-endings
03:48 PM fragalot: that will convert all \r (CR) characters in all files in the current folder
03:52 PM lcvette_: is there instructions on how to use those instructions?
03:52 PM fragalot: open a command line terminal
03:52 PM lcvette_: yup
03:52 PM fragalot: use "cd" to navigate to the correct directory where the files are that you're having issues with
03:53 PM fragalot: make a backup of that folder, just in case the inevitable happens
03:53 PM fragalot: then just type that command from that site in and it will fix the line endings
03:54 PM lcvette_: cd?
03:54 PM lcvette_: as in just type in cd
03:54 PM fragalot: cd followed by the folder you want to go to
03:54 PM fragalot: cd means "change directory"
03:54 PM lcvette_: full path or just folder
03:55 PM fragalot: "ls -l" gives you the contents of the folder you are currently in
03:55 PM fragalot: it can be the full path, but you can also navigate from where you are now
03:55 PM fragalot: "cd .." moves up a folder
03:56 PM lcvette_: ok just so im clear because i feel i should learn this
03:56 PM lcvette_: the full path to the folder is
03:56 PM fragalot: it's a steep curve, if i'm honest :P
03:56 PM fragalot: but it is indeed well worth learning
03:56 PM lcvette_: did that not go through?
03:57 PM fragalot: no, put a space in front of it
03:57 PM fragalot: because a "/" at the beginning is likely to send a command of sorts to your IRC client :)
03:57 PM lcvette_: path is /home/chris/linuxcnc/configs/VMC2
03:57 PM lcvette_: you are saying
03:57 PM lcvette_: cd/VMC2
03:58 PM fragalot: cd /home/chris/linuxcnc/configs/VMC2
03:58 PM lcvette_: ah
03:58 PM fragalot: or, assuming your current directory is /home/chris, cd linuxcnc/configs/VMC2 would also work.
03:58 PM fragalot: basically cd changes the directory based on where you are now, except if it starts with a /
03:59 PM lcvette_: ~/home/chris/linuxcnc/configs/VMC2$
03:59 PM lcvette_: thats what it returned
03:59 PM fragalot: great, that looks like it worked :)
03:59 PM lcvette_: sweet
03:59 PM fragalot: have you got a copy of all the files you need, just in case?
03:59 PM lcvette_: lookout bill gates
04:00 PM lcvette_: yeah i copied them to a different location and named the fiolder with a _backup
04:00 PM fragalot: ok good
04:00 PM fragalot: run that script I linked
04:00 PM fragalot: grep -lIUr "^M" . | xargs sed -i 's/^M//'
04:01 PM lcvette_: "^M"
04:01 PM fragalot: (type or paste that into your command line)
04:01 PM fragalot: "^M" is another code for \r, or CR ... Blame history for the many names for this same character
04:02 PM lcvette_: ok i did it
04:02 PM lcvette_: is that it?
04:02 PM fragalot: that should have fixed the files
04:02 PM fragalot: yeah
04:06 PM fragalot: I need to go though.. Good luck and I hope that helped at least a little bit!
04:07 PM lcvette_: says still contains dos style endings
04:07 PM lcvette_: and a new debug error
04:12 PM pcw_home: you can fix the line ending with gedit also (via save as)
04:15 PM lcvette_: save as?
04:15 PM lcvette_: .ini
04:16 PM lcvette_: or it says hal file
04:19 PM lcvette_: ok, i did the save as and it asked if i wanted to replace the file i said yes
04:20 PM lcvette_: it still gave same dos line ending error
04:20 PM lcvette_: im cursed
04:35 PM lcvette_: ok.. finally got ride of the dos line endings!
04:36 PM lcvette_: i just made a complete copy from scratch of the hal file in gedit
04:36 PM lcvette_: problem solved
04:36 PM lcvette_: probably the hard way
04:36 PM lcvette_: but its one more item scratched of the list of obstacles standing in my way
04:37 PM lcvette_: here is to hoping 2 more don't take its place..lol
04:38 PM lcvette_: https://pastebin.com/p9LUmbZA
04:39 PM lcvette_: i am also getting another error regarding a sound file GST
04:39 PM lcvette_: its a different error popping up in a window
04:40 PM lcvette_: i took a screen capture and will post in the forum in a few minutes
04:48 PM Deejay: gn8
04:52 PM lcvette_: 'https://forum.linuxcnc.org/39-pncconf/34559-odd-error-message-popping-up-for-missing-gst-file
04:53 PM lcvette_: there is a screenshot of the error message
05:01 PM rene-dev_: you need to install gst
05:03 PM lcvette_: hi
05:03 PM lcvette_: i just found an answer on the forum, but im not certain how to fix it
05:03 PM lcvette_: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/gmoccapy/33637-gmoccapy-fails-to-load-on-live-cd-installation#102389
05:04 PM lcvette_: seems maybe my gmoccapy is a very old release
05:04 PM lcvette_: 1.5
05:04 PM rene-dev_: are you using 2.7?
05:05 PM lcvette_: im trying to
05:05 PM lcvette_: i think
05:06 PM lcvette_: is it easy to install?
05:06 PM rene-dev_: ah, I cant help you with that.
05:06 PM rene-dev_: I only use master
05:06 PM lcvette_: how do i know what im using?
05:06 PM lcvette_: is it in the ini or hal file?
05:09 PM rene-dev_: what and how did you install it?
05:10 PM lcvette_: i didn't
05:10 PM lcvette_: i assumed it was on the system with lionuxcnc
05:12 PM rene-dev_: I was asking about linuxcnc version
05:13 PM lcvette_: oh preempt RT stretch
05:13 PM lcvette_: running a mesa 7i92
05:13 PM lcvette_: needed the peempt rt kernel
05:14 PM lcvette_: apparantly that means alot is left out or requires more manual configuration
05:24 PM rene-dev_: hm? not at all, just install the image-rt package.
05:24 PM rene-dev_: all my machines are running stretch with 7i92 and rt-preempt :D
05:41 PM diverdude: why is a dedicated realtime linux needed for linuxcnc? Why isnt it possible to just somehow give linuxcnc app very high priority in normal linux? Or somehow dedicate CPU to linuxCNC app in normal linux?
05:47 PM flyback: uh cause delays when moving saws and lasers around is bad mmkay?
05:49 PM lcvette_: sorry got paged for dinner back now
05:49 PM lcvette_: what do i need now?
05:49 PM lcvette_: image-rt package
05:49 PM diverdude: flyback: but if you have a dedicated kernel why would there be a delay?
05:49 PM flyback: stuff happens I guess
05:51 PM diverdude: stuff?
05:52 PM lcvette_: rene-dev, what is that package?
05:52 PM lcvette_: do i have it in my download already or is it something elsewhere i need to get and download?
05:52 PM diverdude: flyback: windowsXP does not have a realtime kernel, and i can easily control my CNC machine from XP using some mach3 application....why do i need realtime kernel to use the linuxcnc then?
05:59 PM lcvette_: whoa.. im not an avid linuxcnc user yet, but i do know mach3 all to well and can tell you that it is certainly not the most stable platform because of running on windows
06:00 PM lcvette_: i have been running mach3 since 2009 and it has bit me more times on several different machines than i care to remember
06:01 PM lcvette_: with mach3, you better not do anything in windows at all while it is running or you are playing with fire
06:02 PM diverdude: lcvette_: i see
06:02 PM diverdude: thats interesting
06:02 PM lcvette_: once its running, you don't getthe same realtime performance as you do with linuxcnc either
06:02 PM lcvette_: feedhold, doesn't work
06:03 PM lcvette_: its sketchy and unreliable
06:03 PM lcvette_: pause
06:03 PM lcvette_: etc
06:03 PM diverdude: lcvette_: and can i use linuxcnc on any realtime linux kernel?
06:03 PM lcvette_: if you have to stop a program, you are safer to restart it from the beginning
06:03 PM lcvette_: using run from here commands etc..
06:04 PM lcvette_: im a new ocnvert to linuxcnc because of mach3 actually
06:04 PM lcvette_: so you would be better getting that information from others in here
06:04 PM lcvette_: i can tell you that depending on what type of setup you will run depends on what kernel you will need
06:04 PM flyback: uh your cnc has realtime firmware to control motors etc
06:05 PM flyback: it then receivers batch commands fom a xp box
06:05 PM lcvette_: such as ethernet currently requires the Preempt RT kernel for realtime
06:05 PM diverdude: flyback: ok but why cant linuxcnc then not work in a similar "batch command mode" ?
06:05 PM flyback: I don't know I don't use it
06:06 PM flyback: ill probably die before I get a chance to setup a machine
06:06 PM flyback: oh well
06:07 PM lcvette_: what do you mean batch command mode?
06:07 PM lcvette_: you mean run a motion control card?
06:07 PM lcvette_: linuxcnc can and does use mesa hardware that works in this fashion
06:07 PM lcvette_: very similar to the ethernet smoothstepper that mach3 uses
06:07 PM lcvette_: elbeit much more stable
06:09 PM lcvette_: are you trying to determin the difference between software stepping and hardware stepping?
06:10 PM diverdude: lcvette_: i am just trying to understand why i need a dedicated realtime OS to my cnc stepper when it was working just fine on windowsXP
06:11 PM lcvette_: you don't need it
06:11 PM lcvette_: if its working just fine
06:12 PM flyback: because xp doesn't run the steppers
06:12 PM flyback: xp sends commands to a controller on the cnc
06:12 PM flyback: that handles the fine stepper movement
06:12 PM lcvette_: thats not correct
06:12 PM flyback: oh?
06:12 PM lcvette_: it can be but not in all cases
06:13 PM lcvette_: same with linuxcnc
06:13 PM lcvette_: software stepping actually steps right from the computer
06:13 PM lcvette_: to the drive
06:13 PM flyback: eww
06:13 PM lcvette_: via the breakout board
06:13 PM lcvette_: db25 cable
06:14 PM lcvette_: if you are using a motion control card such as an ESS for mach3 or a 5i25/6i25/7i92 mesa card, then that is hardware stepping
06:15 PM lcvette_: software stepping is limited in speed of the kernel
06:15 PM lcvette_: in windows machines it is generally anywhere from 25khz to 45khz on average
06:16 PM lcvette_: and produces a very noisy pulse
06:16 PM lcvette_: the sound of the motors is significantly better when going to a motion control card because the pulse frequency can be as high as 8mhz in the mesa cards and 4mhz in the ess
06:17 PM lcvette_: this allows much faster and smoother motion
06:17 PM lcvette_: hence the name smoothstepper
06:19 PM diverdude: hmm i see
06:19 PM lcvette_: the real question boils down to reliability, what you are comfortable with etc. and what you need to do with the machine
06:19 PM lcvette_: if you are just playing around, mach3 is probably fine
06:20 PM lcvette_: if you rely on your machines like many of us here do, you will want process reliability day in and day out and mach3 is glitchy and not reliable and can cause alot of headaches
06:20 PM lcvette_: mach3 is no unsupported and so is xp
06:21 PM phaxx: what's the prevailing opinion of grbl around here?
06:21 PM lcvette_: so you need an ESS to run windows 7 or later with mach3 and an ethernet or usb cable
06:21 PM lcvette_: no experience
06:23 PM lcvette_: i myself never saw linux beyond the splash screen until last saturday
06:24 PM lcvette_: and can tell you its a bit of a culture shock, but there are some great people that are very helpful
06:25 PM diverdude: my application is that i need to move a camera in XYZ space and grab images...so i do need reliability
06:27 PM lcvette_: well the straw that broke the camels back for me was a random occurance of mach3 randomly shuting down completely
06:27 PM lcvette_: could be while running or during a tool change or whenever it felt like it
06:27 PM lcvette_: just poof vanish from the screen
06:28 PM lcvette_: it was dangerous
06:28 PM diverdude: wow
06:28 PM diverdude: thats bad
06:28 PM lcvette_: after a year of it happening once a month or so and ruining parts batches periodically it was time to make a change
06:28 PM lcvette_: happened on two machines different pcs
06:29 PM lcvette_: still no ideas what it was and no one could resolve it and i was not alone
06:29 PM diverdude: i know that its possible to patch e.g. centOS7+ with an RT kernel - I wonder if linuxcnc is able to run reliably on that?
06:30 PM lcvette_: do you need an rt kernel?
06:30 PM diverdude: lcvette_: isnt that the whole point?
06:30 PM lcvette_: rtai is the normal
06:31 PM lcvette_: only the newer mesa ethernet card require a preempt rt kernel
06:31 PM diverdude: aha i see
06:31 PM lcvette_: to have the rt kernel over the ethenret
06:32 PM lcvette_: rtai is realtime via the paraport
06:32 PM lcvette_: but is not via the ethernet port
06:32 PM diverdude: aha - for my 3040 cnc chinese mill there is a parallel->usb converter
06:32 PM lcvette_: hence the need for preempt RT for the ethernet card boards
06:34 PM lcvette_: mmmm. if you want that machine to run nice and smooth i would recommend you get yourself a 5i25/7i76 mesa plug and go kit
06:35 PM diverdude: lcvette_: aha - you have practical experience with this machine?
06:35 PM lcvette_: no but its a basic stepper sriven cnc with a chinese bob
06:35 PM lcvette_: made about as cheap as they come..lol
06:36 PM lcvette_: and in software stepping its gonna be quite choppy
06:36 PM diverdude: lcvette_: yeah its not state of the art.... thats true
06:36 PM lcvette_: the good news is that the mesa 5i25 and 7i76 can grow with you through many more machines down the line
06:36 PM lcvette_: very worthwhile investment
06:37 PM lcvette_: and very reasonable
06:37 PM diverdude: lcvette_: this one? https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=78
06:37 PM lcvette_: and eliminates alot of the concerns about latency figures from various machines because the 5i25 does the hardware stepping
06:37 PM lcvette_: yup
06:38 PM diverdude: lcvette_: i see....and how do i use this card?
06:38 PM lcvette_: and there is a easy to use setup for that combo in the pncconfig
06:38 PM lcvette_: 5i25 going in a pci slot
06:38 PM lcvette_: 7i76 becomes your new breakout board
06:39 PM diverdude: aha
06:39 PM lcvette_: and you will be amazed at how much of a difference the movement quality improves
06:39 PM lcvette_: both speed and sound
06:39 PM diverdude: lcvette_: and how do i connect my cnc to that breakoutboard then?
06:40 PM diverdude: lcvette_: sorry about my very naive questions...i am in a very early learning stage still
06:40 PM lcvette_: do you have a wiring diagram for your exisitng setup?
06:41 PM diverdude: lcvette_: hmm no, its this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-AXIS-CNC-Router-Engraver-3D-Engraving-Drilling-Milling-Machine-300W-3040-/272597429839
06:41 PM lcvette_: or picture
06:41 PM diverdude: lcvette_: i opened that black box, and there are 2 cards inside
06:42 PM diverdude: lcvette_: probably i should replace one of these 2 with the 7i76 right?
06:42 PM lcvette_: ah.. actually scratch that
06:42 PM lcvette_: it probably has a card with built in drives on it
06:42 PM diverdude: ok
06:43 PM lcvette_: probably a TB card
06:44 PM lcvette_: TB6560
06:44 PM diverdude: ok, is that ok?
06:44 PM lcvette_: cheap all in one
06:44 PM lcvette_: eh
06:45 PM lcvette_: its a $600 cnc machine.. soo..\
06:45 PM lcvette_: theres only so much you will get packed into it
06:45 PM lcvette_: they have to make some concessions
06:46 PM lcvette_: you can always run it like it is
06:46 PM lcvette_: in software stepping mode in linuxcnc
06:46 PM lcvette_: and get to know your way around
06:46 PM lcvette_: still far batter than mach3
06:46 PM diverdude: right....this is my cheap setup...i have another more expensive setup which is still being built
06:46 PM lcvette_: and if you find you need more speed or smoother motion
06:46 PM lcvette_: you can upgrade to the mesacards and some better drives for the exdisting motors
06:47 PM lcvette_: ah well the mesa setup will certainly work with that if you have not yet made your electronics purchase yet
06:48 PM diverdude: so if i run linuxcnc in software stepper mode i could control this chinese 3040 machine?
06:48 PM lcvette_: yeah of course
06:49 PM lcvette_: you just need to know the picout of the bob
06:49 PM lcvette_: pinout
06:49 PM lcvette_: i gaurantee you its available
06:49 PM diverdude: lcvette_: aha i see...and do i need to run linuxcnc on a realtime kernel if i am running it in software stepper mode?
06:50 PM lcvette_: just the regular linuxcnc download
06:50 PM lcvette_: bothing fancy
06:50 PM lcvette_: nothing\
06:51 PM lcvette_: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_download_the_image
06:52 PM diverdude: lcvette_: ok, i cannot just install linuxcnc software on an existing ubuntu 16.04 machine?
06:52 PM lcvette_: thats probably possible but beyond my scope
06:53 PM lcvette_: im a linux user of one week
06:53 PM lcvette_: if you are a lionux user you probably know it better then me
06:54 PM diverdude: i am...but i have virtually no hardware experience - especially not when it comes to these types of hardware
06:54 PM lcvette_: well we are probably a dangerous pairing
06:55 PM lcvette_: because i know more than enough about the other end of the spectrum and not enough about the linux side yet..lol
07:01 PM diverdude: lcvette_: ahh yes hehe....btw. will you be here tomorrow? its very late here and i need to sleep :)
07:02 PM lcvette_: most likely, im trying to solve some mysteries of my own
07:02 PM lcvette_: take care, happy to help where i can!
07:02 PM diverdude: oh ok :) maybe i can be of some help also....hope to talk to you again and thanks for advice
07:03 PM lcvette_: no worries
07:04 PM lcvette_: rene-dev_: is this the image you were referring to?
07:04 PM lcvette_: rene-dev_: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-rt-amd64
07:14 PM lcvette_: anybody running preempt RT stretch that had an issue with the pythonplugin?
08:07 PM JT-Shop: which plugin?
08:37 PM * JT-Shop goes to lock the chickens up and call it a night
09:20 PM Tom_L: Lcvette gettin anywhere?
10:09 PM Lcvette: Join
11:15 PM Lcvette: What's shaking