#linuxcnc Logs
May 11 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:59 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
01:03 AM ziper: hi
01:03 AM IchGucksLive: sun is out in germany
01:03 AM IchGucksLive: .weather Zweibrücken Germany
01:03 AM IchGucksLive: bot is not up
01:03 AM IchGucksLive: .weather Zweibrücken,Germany
01:03 AM IchGucksLive: Ho i see we got a new Release
01:03 AM IchGucksLive: ziper, do you know what is new
01:03 AM ziper: nothing is new under the sun
01:22 AM lcvette: join
01:22 AM lcvette: hello all
01:22 AM lcvette: anybody still up?
01:24 AM lcvette: one.. is the loneliest number..lol
01:37 AM lcvette: anybody familiar with python stuff?
01:38 AM lcvette: in gmoccapy
01:38 AM lcvette: having problems getting linuxcnc to load
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: Germany is here
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: lcvette, your hal and INI is overloaded
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: you shoudt start with the 7i76 plain movement stuff
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: lcvette, and ofcause AXIS not Gmoccapy
01:40 AM lcvette: ive commented out most everything
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: that is the problem
01:41 AM lcvette: yeah that was a test
01:41 AM lcvette: to see if i could get it to run
01:41 AM lcvette: ive been trying lots of experiments
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: lcvette, can you double klick my name
01:41 AM lcvette: yeah
01:42 AM IchGucksLive: lcvette, you shoudt see a new tab
01:49 AM fragalot: Hi
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: :-)
02:36 AM Deejay: moin
02:52 AM Loetmichel: *MUHAHA* coworker just came in... the one with the oil problem wenedsday. he had to put ANOTHER liter in to see the oil be on the "low" notch of the dipstick. So he had to refill 3.5 liters of oil into an engine that holds 4,5 liters when full according to the manual. THAT was close to catastrophic engine failure i would guess ;)
03:22 AM Tecan: got my kiosk keyboard and its a bit to get used to, really hard keypresses. found this one here https://www.ebay.ca/itm/173256078789
03:23 AM Tecan: hopefully the keys are metal like the add says
04:55 AM XXCoder: Loetmichel: dang
04:59 AM XXCoder: Strum: yo
05:07 AM Strum: hi XXCoder
05:07 AM Strum: how goes it?
05:08 AM XXCoder: just wondering hows your project going
05:08 AM XXCoder: just tired, just got home from work
05:08 AM Strum: checking out CAM options
05:08 AM Strum: waiting on parts
05:08 AM Strum: it seems there is not much option but pycam when it comes to free open source cam
05:08 AM Strum: and on windwos it's very slow
05:09 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:09 AM Strum: not ideal
05:09 AM XXCoder: theres also freecad itself but still work on progress
05:09 AM Strum: bamcam might be ok for simple projects
05:09 AM Strum: freecad is a work in progress
05:09 AM XXCoder: yeah only 0.17
05:09 AM Strum: and the docs lag far behind
05:09 AM XXCoder: nice now though, 0.13 was... yeah lol
05:10 AM XXCoder: anyway you got bunch more cam options than I do
05:10 AM Strum: much duplicatyed functionality and far too many differnet ways to do things
05:11 AM Strum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9fIIRBER1w
05:11 AM Strum: grblgru
05:11 AM Strum: sort of heading in the right direction
05:11 AM Strum: but pretty quirky and crashed, didn't run grbl very well
05:12 AM Strum: one i settle on a set of tools i'll be ok
05:12 AM Strum: once
05:12 AM XXCoder: can always switch as needed for cam tools.
05:12 AM Strum: yeah
05:12 AM XXCoder: theres svg to cam for one
05:12 AM Strum: differnt cam for differnt jobs
05:12 AM XXCoder: linuxcnc has picture to gcode also
05:12 AM XXCoder: engraving stuff
05:13 AM Strum: svg to cam would be all that was needed for many jobs
05:13 AM XXCoder: yeah. someone here wrote sucha utilituy
05:13 AM Strum: 2d cutting and plotting
05:13 AM XXCoder: inkscape2gcode? forgot name
05:18 AM Strum: if i've got the energy tonmight i'll tody up and print out the drill patterns for the z-axis rail and block plates to drill out tomorrow
05:18 AM Strum: have all the part for the z-axis now
05:19 AM Strum: just need to mount on the plates and get stepper and leadsrew mounted
05:19 AM Strum: lead nut rather
05:26 AM rmu: Strum: have a look at freecad again and here https://www.youtube.com/user/sliptonic for an introduction how to use this stuff
05:26 AM rmu: Strum: freecad 0.17 is very useable and stable
05:26 AM XXCoder: nice!
05:26 AM XXCoder: looks recent
05:27 AM XXCoder: hopefully sliptonic captioned videos
05:27 AM XXCoder: looks like "kinda yes" autocraptons
05:27 AM Strum: the help is all contradictory and doesn't fit the current version
05:27 AM Strum: and it's not intutitive to learn
05:28 AM XXCoder: it looks like current 0.17
05:28 AM Strum: the parametric capabilities was what i was interested in
05:28 AM rmu: the videos concerning the CAM stuff (Path workbench) are recent
05:28 AM Strum: i'm ok with rhino
05:29 AM XXCoder: freecad definuitely is parametric
05:29 AM XXCoder: constrant based
05:29 AM Strum: but it's not parametric and it's a pita doing complex models without parametric
05:29 AM XXCoder: hmm okay maybe im misunderstanding concept
05:29 AM XXCoder: theres also spreadsheet in freecad, though not used it much
05:30 AM Strum: i can draw pretty well in rhino for most things, i just mean more work if i want to scale and move parts, refernces can help a lot
05:30 AM Strum: but you stil end up moving things manually
05:30 AM Strum: yes that is what i'm realloy interested in
05:30 AM Strum: maybe i should look into openscad
05:30 AM rmu: assembly stuff is not finished in freecad, there are some interesting development ATM (assembly3 workbench)
05:30 AM XXCoder: now that is extremely powerful
05:31 AM XXCoder: rmu: hope it dont fall into assembly curse :(
05:31 AM XXCoder: expecially now with Body making it easier to seperate parts
05:31 AM Strum: yes rmu i found the whole assembly thing very opaque and limited
05:32 AM rmu: for 2.5d stuff freecad with path is very useable and stable
05:34 AM Strum: yeah i worked out hwo to do basic stuff like that pretty easily
05:34 AM Strum: but really want ot be able to biuld fully parametric models that can be scaled and rearrenged to suit different parts
05:34 AM rmu: Strum: there is also Manipulator WB, makes moving around stuff manually much easier
05:35 AM Strum: ok
05:36 AM rmu: in a sense, freecad is fully parametric, but it is limited by opencascade being not the best 3d kernel and some deficiencies regarding topological naming of faces and edges
05:36 AM Strum: maybe i'll pirate a copy of solidworks and have a play with that
05:36 AM rmu: those are not very stable with changes of parameters, so your chamfers etc... can end up on different edges after changes of dimensions
05:38 AM XXCoder: cant find out of constrant based is parametric or not
05:38 AM Strum: yeah i had some strange behaviour
05:38 AM rmu: thats my limited experience with freecad. regarding CAD stuff, also have a look at solvespace.
05:38 AM Strum: solvespace?
05:38 AM Strum: not heard of that
05:38 AM Strum: will do
05:38 AM XXCoder: be very careful with chamfers and other like that
05:38 AM Strum: in the meantime i can do rough and ready things with rhino if i need to
05:38 AM XXCoder: ]freecad have been bette with that recently but do that last
05:39 AM Strum: but more long term i'd like to move to doing more professional standard work
05:39 AM XXCoder: do a seperate file saved without any of it
05:39 AM XXCoder: then add em
05:40 AM Strum: and as the model complexity increases, the need for parametric modelling increases
05:40 AM rmu: if you want to make a living doing CAD stuff, i probably would not rely on FreeCAD (only)
05:40 AM Strum: not wanting to amke a living, just do good work
05:42 AM Strum: and i'd like to be able to do it all with fre open source software
05:44 AM rmu: XXCoder: you can use the spreadsheet module to enter your dimensions and reference those dimensions from sketches
05:44 AM XXCoder: rmu: yeah I do understand that concept, just never needed it
05:45 AM Strum: i couldn't find any refernce to it in the program or anything in docs about it
05:45 AM Strum: other than that you can do it
05:46 AM XXCoder: docs is real crappy
05:46 AM XXCoder: I hope someone takes it up but honestly docs isnt sexy enough to attract someone to work on it
05:46 AM rmu: Strum: I don't remember how i found out about that and how to do it exactly, but it is definitely non-obvious and should be more accesible / discoverable
05:46 AM Strum: yes doesn't match program half the time, say do things and the icons aren't there
05:47 AM XXCoder: freecad is changing too fast for docs for now
05:47 AM XXCoder: not stabilized yet
05:48 AM rmu: https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Manual:Using_spreadsheets seems accurate enough
05:48 AM rmu: the trick is to give an "alias" to cells you want to reference from outside the spreadsheet
05:57 AM Strum: ok, i'll have a look when i get time
06:08 AM jthornton: morning
06:08 AM XXCoder: hey the jt
06:09 AM jthornton: today is the test if my code works when there is more than 14 hours of daylight
07:09 AM XXCoder: jthornton: so, how did it go
07:16 AM jthornton: without a hitch, the door just opened on time :)
07:17 AM Beachbumpete1: morning linuxCNC
07:19 AM jthornton: morning Pete
07:21 AM XXCoder: nice
07:38 AM tiwake: Beachbumpete1: the problem with where I work is, sure I don't mind working with only manual machines, but I do mind when the ways for all the mills and lathes are so completely wore out... no digital readouts or quick tool changers.. and only two tools with carbide inserts
07:39 AM tiwake: no measuring tools to allow the mills to be trammed in either
08:20 AM jdh: look elsewhere
08:31 AM methods_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjSohj-Iclc
08:32 AM methods_: boston dynamics atlas with no thether
08:32 AM methods_: tether even
09:06 AM Strum: scary hey methods_
09:08 AM Strum: why don't they just call themselves tyrell corporation and be done with it
09:24 AM methods_: hehe
09:28 AM Roguish: methods_: the company i'm working with now has done lots of work with BD.
09:29 AM methods_: oh nice
09:29 AM methods_: that would be a fun place to work for i'm sure
09:30 AM Roguish: it's amazing control system work, and some awesome mechanical engineering also.
09:30 AM Roguish: each one builds on the last.
09:30 AM methods_: yeah when you're the pioneer you kinda have to do that
09:31 AM Roguish: also worked with Disney Imagineering on a character robot. pretty sizable budget.
09:32 AM Roguish: very little off the shelf hardware. almost every thing custom, even bearings and gearboxes. really small bearings and gearboxes.
09:32 AM Roguish: i can neither confirm nor deny anything.....
09:32 AM gregcnc_: that would be fun to work on
09:37 AM Roguish: anyone want a job? https://imgur.com/4mEnK1w
09:47 AM hazzy-dev: Roguish: Several of my classmates got jobs at Disney, all MEs and they really like it, but hours are LONGGGGG
09:49 AM jdh: and theylike that?
09:49 AM jdh: they should prioritize work/life balance
09:49 AM gregcnc_: in the us?
09:56 AM Beachbumpete1: Tiwake I hear ya man that would suck working on clapped out machines...
09:57 AM methods_: hahah tesla lol
09:57 AM methods_: my buddy worked at spacex for like 2 years he said it was living hell
09:58 AM methods_: if you work for either one you get what you deserve at this point
09:58 AM SpeedEvil: Glassdoor reports higher satisfaction than at comparable rocket companies.
09:58 AM SpeedEvil: fwiw
09:59 AM methods_: well i am using the opinion of one disgruntled ex worker so take that for what it's worth
09:59 AM hazzy-dev: methods: I have a good friend that just got a engineering job at SpaceX for fun, he is retired and very well to do xD
09:59 AM Beachbumpete1: I would LOVE to work for any of those places
10:05 AM SpeedEvil: The to-hopefully-be-flown today booster stage has undergone lots of interesting revisions.
10:05 AM SpeedEvil: "we expect there to be literally no action taken. No unnecessary action taken between flights. So just like an aircraft. It's a case of, you know, we do need to basically take the rocket from its landing pad, rotate it horizontal, stow the legs. Take it to the launch pad, attach an upper stage, attach a fairing with a payload. Then transport it out the launch pad, rotate it vertically, load propellant, and fly."
10:06 AM SpeedEvil: This is for todays booster. Able to fly >10 times with no maintainance, >100 times total
10:06 AM Roguish: Tesla is pretty rough for engineers. long hours. Musk is a hard driver.
10:07 AM SpeedEvil: It's pretty much exactly what he went through in the SW startup scene.
10:07 AM methods_: yeah when my buddy got hired he interviewed with musk and he said he would use him up in 2years
10:07 AM methods_: and he quit about 2 years after he got hired lol
10:08 AM SpeedEvil: The aspirational timelines are insane.
10:08 AM SpeedEvil: Going from 'nothing' (they have prototype engines) this year, to flying vehicles (testing only) next year is insane.
10:10 AM Roguish: both SpaceX and BlueHorizon are astounding for what they've accomplished in a short time. just shows how overburdened NASA is in its self.
10:22 AM Beachbumpete1: agreed they have accomplished some amazing things in a relatively short period of time.
11:16 AM Tom_L: makes a difference when bureaucrats aren't in charge
11:22 AM JT-Shop: buddy of mine went for a job interview at an city car inspection station and he got asked can you do nothing for hours on end?
11:28 AM phaxx: good filtering question, amusing that it'd be asked so directly.
11:31 AM JT-Shop: yea if it is raining the supervisor calls them up on the phone and tells them they can go home, no email which is a public record lol
11:52 AM gregcnc_: do CFL backlights take a long time to "warm up" as they age/fail? just noticed one of my monitors doing this
11:54 AM roycroft: yes
11:54 AM roycroft: and they get dimmer over time
11:55 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc_: i have a notebook thats pink for the first 10 minutes after switching it on
11:55 AM Loetmichel: old Thinkpad 600
11:55 AM Loetmichel: so yes.
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: hi all from a sunny germany
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: .weather Zweibrücken ,Germany
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop, Q-A if it is paid shure
12:01 PM gregcnc_: this monitor has some known psu issues, Samsung 245bw, maybe have to dig into it before it just doesn't turn on one day.
12:02 PM Loetmichel: gregcnc_: you mean like that?
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: gregcnc_, get a beamer you will benefit
12:02 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5579
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel, convertibal History made him die
12:03 PM Loetmichel: (both identical 19" hannsG, both on max brightness it was the PSU)
12:03 PM gregcnc_: yeah but it takes a minute or two to reach full brightness
12:03 PM Loetmichel: could still be the caps
12:04 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5675&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
12:04 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5678&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
12:04 PM gregcnc_: right, this one also has some issue with a couple resistors
12:04 PM Loetmichel: had to change the caps every half year until i dumped them and bought 24"
12:05 PM gregcnc_: my desk looks like that except 24" and more stuff on the desk
12:06 PM Loetmichel: gregcnc_: like that? http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16002
12:07 PM gregcnc_: that's more like it, oh and I am getting hungry
12:07 PM roycroft: my desk was a big mess
12:07 PM roycroft: i just bought a third display for my imac - a nic 27" 4k display
12:07 PM roycroft: so i got a big box and filled it up with stuff that was on my desk
12:08 PM roycroft: and installed the new display
12:08 PM roycroft: now my desk is a big mess again
12:08 PM roycroft: plus i have that box of stuff
12:09 PM Loetmichel: :-)
12:09 PM Loetmichel: normal
12:09 PM roycroft: yes, i should accept that desks are inherently messy
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: town festival here and weather is going to play a huge role
12:09 PM gregcnc_: how tall did the tower of glasses get?
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: gregcnc_, i got 25Kg of pizza to make this evening
12:10 PM gregcnc_: building a pizza bot?
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: staying on plasma to build the oven
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: im off for a small break
12:13 PM CaptHindsight: never trust anyone with a clean desk
12:18 PM CaptHindsight: what do they do at Tesla with designs? Do you get into a ring and fight it out?
12:19 PM CaptHindsight: It smells like Microsoft where teams compete to get things their way and included in distributions
12:20 PM CaptHindsight: How many Tesla engineers does it take to change a light bulb?
12:22 PM Tom_L: 9
12:23 PM Tom_L: 1 to hold the headlamp and 8 to spin the car
12:30 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-parking-lot-photos-show-how-hard-it-is-to-get-a-space-2017-4#some-even-drive-off-road-to-find-a-spot-3
12:30 PM CaptHindsight: this should tell you what it is like to work there
12:31 PM Loetmichel: gregcnc_: i managed a couple more before it fell down ;)
12:33 PM miss0r: Alright, giving away my upgraded x-carve, with a bunch of carbide toolong tomorrow, to my brother in law, as a birthdays present. Any tools a new starter needs, that should come with it?
12:35 PM miss0r: goodevening, fragalot
12:36 PM miss0r: fragalot: I just asked the following: (18:58:39)<miss0r>Alright, giving away my upgraded x-carve, with a bunch of carbide toolong tomorrow, to my brother in law, as a birthdays present. Any tools a new starter needs, that should come with it?
12:36 PM Loetmichel: miss0r: depends on what he intends to do with it
12:36 PM SpeedEvil: miss0r: A set square set at 89 degrees, just because.
12:37 PM jdh: calipers. dial indicator and base
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: miss0r, did the thunderstorm hit
12:37 PM Loetmichel: i would say a bunch of 2 flute carbide mill bits in different sizes, one or two engraving D-bits and a few drills should be fine for starters
12:37 PM miss0r: SpeedEvil: Then it wil line up with ways :D
12:38 PM miss0r: IchGucksLive: We almost cleared it completely. It rained medium hard for 15 minuts, and I saw a total of three lightning bolts.. so we weren't realy hit
12:38 PM miss0r: jdh: isn't that a bit much for a wood working router?
12:38 PM fragalot: hi
12:38 PM miss0r: Loetmichel: I was thinking something like that.
12:39 PM fragalot: miss0r: clamping kit? good CAM package? :P
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: if you work on hard wood or mdf you will neeed one bit per week
12:39 PM miss0r: fragalot: hehe, I think he will have to make do with 'easel' for starters :D
12:39 PM Loetmichel: clamping kit is luxury
12:39 PM Loetmichel: a roll of double sided carpet tape is good enough for starters
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: but cheep Loetmichel
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: and ofcause safty first
12:40 PM fragalot: double sided tape is great
12:40 PM miss0r: IchGucksLive: Indeed. I think I will hand him 20x 4mm 20x6mm carbide endmills and some engraving tools,
12:40 PM fragalot: you can break the part in half when it's done
12:40 PM Loetmichel: exactly why tape is better than clamping
12:40 PM fragalot: that way you get to use the machine again :D
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: in tini space flying sharp parts is not the best
12:40 PM SpeedEvil: yeah - eye/ear/...protectionisn't a bad addition
12:40 PM Loetmichel: MUCH less chances to do it wrong
12:40 PM Loetmichel: especially if he does thin sheet material
12:40 PM miss0r: He won't.
12:41 PM Loetmichel: and xcarve isnt cut out for massive steel blocks anyways
12:41 PM fragalot: miss0r: random scraps would be nice?
12:41 PM miss0r: I have tried that on the x-carve. Even with the upgrades i've made, its too wonky for steel
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: thin crome steel will get sharp edges even FR4
12:41 PM fragalot: miss0r: perhaps some nice 4mm brass?
12:41 PM fragalot: ;)
12:42 PM miss0r: fragalot: Perhaps some acrylic sheets, combined with some 6 flute cutters, and the spindle locked at 30k rpm :D
12:42 PM fragalot: xD
12:42 PM miss0r: fragalot: I'm not letting go of my brass :D
12:43 PM miss0r: I think this x-carve will be a learning experience. He has to power it up, put on a large right angle, force one side a few steps to one side, to make it square. Then start wrecking parts from there
12:44 PM miss0r: fragalot: By the way, the cable repair worked perfectly. Thanks again ;)
12:44 PM fragalot: awesome
12:46 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.inventables.com/technologies/x-carve I noticed that they are local
12:46 PM miss0r: The issue I have with removing this x-carve, is; I will effectively loose 1m^2 table :D
12:47 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: The front side of that webside shows a beefed up version it seems. The one I have uses a grbl
12:47 PM CaptHindsight: it has an easy to pronounce name (for westerners)
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: im off for pizza making
12:48 PM CaptHindsight: and it has cute software
12:48 PM CaptHindsight: IchGucksLive: happy pizzas
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: if lcvett joins tell him for tomorrow same time
12:48 PM miss0r: I'm honnestly not sad to see it go. That grbl, can only drive two axis simultaneously
12:48 PM CaptHindsight: don't sound like a "hater"
12:49 PM miss0r: hehe. I don't hate it, per say. But it is just not for me. It does wood quite fine, but most of the cam I do when I cut out stuff, I use a ramped contour.
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: there seems to be some unwritten rule in that community that does not allow for facts about performance and operation to be written or spoken
12:50 PM miss0r: lol
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: nah you're just pointing it out
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: and going on with your life
12:51 PM miss0r: THAT and the factory structure design is a joke
12:51 PM miss0r: does that sound as hating? :D
12:51 PM miss0r: as=like
12:51 PM CaptHindsight: cheap, cute, works on wood good enough
12:51 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: It realy doesn't. Well, the cheap model that I have does not, at least
12:51 PM CaptHindsight: not going to revolutionize manufacturing
12:52 PM CaptHindsight: you have "elitist" standards :)
12:52 PM miss0r: This one came with a standard DC motor with a single ballbearing in front, and a brass bearing in the read. The output shaft had an er11 collect mounted on it
12:52 PM CaptHindsight: but at least they post pics of their designs :)
12:52 PM CaptHindsight: unlike some others
12:52 PM miss0r: THAT combined with the fact, that the structure was too weak for wood.
12:53 PM miss0r: I'm not joking here. After I made a few improvements it does great. The changes i've made, they could do for less than $20 before shipping it, and triple the stifness
12:53 PM CaptHindsight: yeah stiffen it up
12:53 PM miss0r: I did make a pretty good speaker enclosure on it. But after that it has mostly been collecting dust :]
12:54 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: This was done on the x-carve: https://imgur.com/a/VWbfptg
12:54 PM fragalot: it's supposed to make the dust
12:55 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.inventables.com/about 40 people working there
12:55 PM miss0r: I think you could get away with using a factory default one, had you opted for the dewalt spindle
12:55 PM fragalot: finally
12:55 PM fragalot: took me ages to get the pi-hole cURL based installer to work on my rpi
12:55 PM miss0r: are you having a stroke?
12:56 PM fragalot: the raspi is
12:56 PM fragalot: or was
12:56 PM fragalot: something got too outdated to do anything useful anymore, and I forgot the root password like a good sysadmin would
12:56 PM fragalot: so i'm reinstalling
12:56 PM miss0r: When will you get around to making my website look like it wasn't done by a 7 year old?
12:57 PM CaptHindsight: I'll apply for a job there. Main goal "to fix your wobbly deign for <$25 and harm no hipsters in the process".
12:57 PM miss0r: :D
12:57 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: I'll gladly give you my upgrade plans :D
12:59 PM fragalot: miss0r: you'd be impressed what today's 14yo's would do
12:59 PM fragalot: sorry, 7
12:59 PM fragalot: isn't the whole idea that you get something that just barely works, so you can use that thing to make the thing to make the thing better?
12:59 PM fragalot: miss0r: https://wordpress.org/themes/surya-chandra-lite/ <= job done
12:59 PM miss0r: yeah, not counting my website :D
01:00 PM CaptHindsight: hmm they already have an ME, CTO and Hardware Eng Mgr
01:00 PM miss0r: fragalot: I'm not a big fan of wordpress. I just want a standard, simple HTML site
01:00 PM miss0r: Apply for 'hardware CEO'
01:00 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: say you want to stand in line as CFO
01:01 PM fragalot: then go golfing to prove you know what a CFO does
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: no QC
01:01 PM fragalot: miss0r: CEO implies you want to take responsibility for things
01:02 PM miss0r: yeah... I wouldn't want to take responsibility for anything that might potentially harm a hipster
01:02 PM miss0r: I WOULD OWN IT! :D
01:03 PM miss0r: also, I completed the work on the huge mill today. It took almost 1,5 month to get it completely operational. but not everything works flawlessly
01:05 PM fragalot: miss0r: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on6VxMLd9HY
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: what is the proper hat to wear to an interview?
01:06 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: beanie
01:06 PM CaptHindsight: or haircut?
01:06 PM fragalot: none
01:06 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: if it is for inventables: https://www.temashop.dk/-88
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: haha, worth doing if someone follows along to make a video
01:08 PM miss0r: fragalot: I've always found him to be a complete and utter dimwit. :] I know he does it for shits'n giggles, I just don't get the appeal
01:08 PM fragalot: sparks.
01:08 PM fragalot: for me personally it's the monobrow
01:09 PM miss0r: 'UNI BRAU' ! (dr. evil voice)
01:22 PM CaptHindsight: far less obnoxious https://www.youtube.com/user/engineerguyvideo/videos
01:22 PM CaptHindsight: to show someone examples
01:23 PM fragalot: Hm. finished the install for the rpi, moved it back to it's little cubby hole but it doesn't appear to want to come back online now
01:34 PM fragalot: sight. filesystem corrupted.
01:34 PM fragalot: -t
01:35 PM miss0r: I thought briefly about carving a sign on it saying: 'all hipsters needs an x-carve, happy birthday', that would be bolted to the table when he got it.. but then I remembered he is 6'7" 250lb danish equivalent of a marine soldier
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: did you look at it funny during the compile?
01:35 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: must have done
01:35 PM fragalot: either that, or the 10yr old SD card is due a replacement :P
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: nah, those things last forever
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: as table levelers
01:36 PM fragalot: until they run out of writeable sectors
01:37 PM CaptHindsight: I have some 1st gen flash cards from the early 90's
01:37 PM fragalot: and have those been used on a little device that may potentially be hammering it with log data?
01:37 PM CaptHindsight: pretty sure they were good for hundreds of rewrites
01:42 PM miss0r: I have gathered the following so far: laptop, mouse, USB cable, 17mm wrench(for tightening the collect), calipers, 2x collects, assortment of cutting tools & engravers, clamping set. also, a complete x-carve. Can you guys think of anything missing for a startup?
01:43 PM fragalot: the other wrench?
01:43 PM fragalot: a square? :P
01:43 PM miss0r: I know he owns a large square
01:43 PM miss0r: and it only needs one wrench, the spindle has a lock
01:43 PM CaptHindsight: box of bandages or duct tape
01:43 PM fragalot: fancy
01:44 PM miss0r: his wife is a nurse, so I think we're covered there
01:44 PM miss0r: Am I missing something obvious? Shouldn't this do for a first setup?
01:44 PM CaptHindsight: shop glasses
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: power strip
01:45 PM miss0r: he has those too. (he just renovated their house from the ground up)
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: lighting
01:45 PM miss0r: powerstrip? as in extention cord?
01:45 PM miss0r: The spindle has build in lighting as well :D
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: yes, but with multiple outlets
01:46 PM miss0r: I think that will be added by me later, as the present will also include me comming to his place to set it up at some point
01:46 PM CaptHindsight: https://images.homedepot-static.com/productImages/93df1de6-d0de-4599-ad1f-29fe73e7976b/svn/white-ge-power-strips-multi-outlet-converters-55253-64_1000.jpg
01:47 PM miss0r: yeah, got it
01:47 PM CaptHindsight: but you'll need one with those funny outlets
01:47 PM miss0r: yeah, european style.
01:48 PM CaptHindsight: sounds good the rest is just comfort type accessories, mini-fridge, bottle opener, microwave oven etc
01:48 PM miss0r: He is building a woodworking shop, I trust leaving that to him
01:49 PM fragalot: I think you should revert the xcarve back to original
01:49 PM fragalot: otherwise it will look like you're dumping your old guff there
01:49 PM CaptHindsight: miss0r: what did you do to the router? Stiffen the supports, corners and the gantry?
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: it looks like maybe 12ga sheet metal from the pics hold all the rails
01:51 PM fragalot: heh.. sheet tickness gauge. because the US needed yet another measurement unit :P
01:52 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/sheetmetal.html
01:52 PM fragalot: can't open that atm. my DNS server is down and i'm too stubborn to change my settings
01:53 PM fragalot: miss0r: you forgot the tool height gauge
01:53 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: I added two bracket to the y axis rails, taking off a bit of the load in the middle
01:53 PM fragalot: and a haimer
01:53 PM CaptHindsight: ~2.6mm
01:53 PM * miss0r does not think those would last a day in his care
01:53 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: Also, I compressed a 4mm metal sheet inbetween the two x-axis rails
01:53 PM miss0r: then, I made a new bracket for the spindle mount, and installed a dewalt router
01:54 PM miss0r: That is actualy all. It doesn't take much to make it decent
01:55 PM miss0r: damnit! I just set down $300 worth of endmills, and I instantly forgot where :D
01:55 PM CaptHindsight: sorry to distract
01:55 PM miss0r: Don't worrie, found'em
01:59 PM miss0r: I just cleared up 1m^2 of floor space... What to put there :D
02:00 PM gloops: wax effigy of donald trump
02:00 PM fragalot: miss0r: I've got some stuff you could have?
02:00 PM fragalot: because I'm looking for 1m² of space in my shop atm
02:00 PM miss0r: fragalot: Unless its a high end drawer system, i'm not interrested :D
02:01 PM fragalot: well, I wouldn't say "high end", but it does have an integrated table saw and router table? :P
02:01 PM fragalot: bolted on top of the finest quality 17yr old ikea furniture.
02:01 PM miss0r: woah!
02:01 PM miss0r: you had me at ikea :P
02:02 PM gloops: i need more cutters, the trend v bit i bought works fine, i think ill stick with them for v bits
02:02 PM fragalot: :D
02:02 PM fragalot: trend does nice things, yeah
02:02 PM IchGucksLive: hi all
02:02 PM miss0r: welcome back
02:02 PM IchGucksLive: back cause we got lots of young girls baking pizza
02:02 PM gloops: IchGucksLive someone on facebook is having problems with Freecad pocketing holes
02:03 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, may he ask mark
02:03 PM gloops: in Freecad group?
02:03 PM gloops: i told him to come on irc, they rarely do though
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: IchGucksLive: and you came back in here?
02:03 PM IchGucksLive: the Town mayor have been asking me to setup the telescope to view the stars for the childs
02:04 PM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight, im over 70 years old so let them burn there skin on 350Deg Pizza oven
02:05 PM fragalot: xD
02:07 PM fragalot: miss0r: is it overkill to put each carriage bolt through my parts washer, ultrasonic, /AND/ the tumbler before screwing them into the mold inserts?
02:07 PM fragalot: (parts washer & ultrasonic can't remove the black mill-scale :P)
02:08 PM miss0r: You already know the answer to this one ;)
02:08 PM miss0r: I actualy did some tests
02:08 PM miss0r: :D
02:08 PM * fragalot throws them in
02:09 PM miss0r: but only three tests: 1) Straight out'a the box. 2) Degreased. 3) steps added in the lathe, then degreased
02:09 PM fragalot: was 3 worth it?
02:09 PM miss0r: unsurprisingly the first one didn't do realy good.
02:09 PM fragalot: I could also knurl them
02:09 PM miss0r: the two latter was surprisingly simular instrength
02:10 PM miss0r: Both of them ended up breaking a fairly decent size of epoxy off with the bolt
02:10 PM miss0r: and we are talking alot of force here, I had to do it in the press
02:10 PM IchGucksLive: im off seting up the telescope
02:11 PM miss0r: right about 5 tons on those 10mm bolts, if I recall correctly.
02:11 PM fragalot: should be alright then, I think the alu will have fucked off by then anyway
02:11 PM miss0r: I'm unsure of the orientation you are planning to install them? You are going to have the head of the bolts inside the cast, right?
02:11 PM fragalot: yes
02:12 PM miss0r: Then I wouldn't sweat it. That is what I did, and it has strong like I don't know what
02:12 PM fragalot: they're 100 and 110mm long, so they'll go 2/3 of the way through the mold
02:12 PM miss0r: holy. yeah, just degrease them
02:12 PM miss0r: Also, remember to add some tubing inside the cast, for future coolant/wiring ect
02:13 PM miss0r: It just looks alot more clean that way
02:13 PM miss0r: Have you got any pictures of your silicone pour?
02:16 PM fragalot: no
02:16 PM gloops: whats the silicone for?
02:17 PM fragalot: so my inserts stick out of the casted epoxy surface 2 mm
02:18 PM gloops: oh, ok
02:19 PM fragalot: miss0r: Aye. Kinda wondering if I should go for a rebar structure inside of it too or if that's a complete waste of time
02:19 PM fragalot: .. I could do pre-tensioned rebar :P
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: how come you guys are still here, it's already Friday night there
02:26 PM fragalot: been out all day already
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: started early
02:27 PM gloops: whats supposed to happen on a friday night CaptHindsight? im not 20 you know
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: that paper I posted a few times used tubes inside the concrete to covert vibration into friction to improve dampening
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: with the way you've sized the structure I don't think you see much more dampening, just improved tensile strength
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: you/you'll
02:29 PM * fragalot nods
02:30 PM fragalot: go big or go home?
02:30 PM gloops: i unsuccessfully tried to smash a cast iron boiler with sledgehammer today, cant lift it to take it away, i think something is telling me to keep it as a machine base
02:31 PM fragalot: speaking of machine bases gloops, have you been able to get that picture of your router?
02:31 PM gloops: no, had 2 weeks from hell tbh, i will get some pics when i get back in the garage promise
02:32 PM fragalot: looking forward to it :)
02:32 PM gloops: i have detailed the specs many times in here, fairly run of the mill thing, with some british enginuity thrown in
02:33 PM fragalot: it has a kettle?
02:33 PM fragalot: now that I need to see :D
02:34 PM gloops: see, the difference between the typical british fitter, and the german fitter, we mainly work on intuition and feel, the german relies on intensive calculations and measurements
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20180426-minnesota-researchers-3d-print-electronics-and-biological-cells-directly-on-skin.html
02:35 PM fragalot: heh yeah saw that
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: how long until this is my next cell phone?
02:35 PM fragalot: if apple has anything to say, tomorrow
02:35 PM gloops: i judged the rigidity of the gantry and z axis mainly by apply kung fu style palm punches to them
02:35 PM fragalot: because it will only last 14 days tops
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: depends on how often you shower
02:36 PM fragalot: oh, well, one day then
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: tattoo phone
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: actual branding
02:40 PM fragalot: you mean when you Qi charge it you brand yourself with the heat losses?
02:41 PM fragalot: 'battery low' .. "oh I donn't like this part... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaAAAAA"
02:42 PM miss0r: I would love to have a 3" HD display tatooed into my left forearm
02:42 PM miss0r: Today I feel like a badass: skull with fire on it, pierced by angry snakes... tomorrow a crude faulty picture of my son
02:43 PM SpeedEvil: Is your son an angry snake?
02:43 PM miss0r: I guess, sometimes :D
02:43 PM lcvette: hello
02:43 PM miss0r: hi
02:44 PM lcvette: Happy Friday!
02:47 PM gloops: hello lcvette
02:48 PM gloops: snake is an interesting creature symbolically
02:48 PM fragalot: but they don't even have legs
02:48 PM gloops: you can tell a lot about someone from their tattoos sometimes
02:48 PM miss0r: What would derive from me having absolutly no tatoos ?
02:49 PM fragalot: cheapskate.
02:49 PM gloops: fragalot they still move
02:49 PM miss0r: haha
02:49 PM fragalot: i have had a tattoo since I was.. 7 or 8 I think
02:49 PM fragalot: when I accidentally stabbed myself in the hand with a freshly sharpened pencil & the tip broke off :P
02:49 PM gloops: no tattoos can also be revealing - you dont want to reveal anything about yourself maybe
02:49 PM miss0r: those temporary ones that came with the chewing gum was not so temporary after all? or are you a stranger to soap?
02:50 PM fragalot: hehe
02:50 PM fragalot: I just ordered those "pig mat" things abom always goes on about.. curious if they really are as good as they claim.
02:51 PM miss0r: let me know if that is the case. Then i'll order some for my company
02:55 PM fragalot: sure
02:56 PM fragalot: I only got the 'light duty' ones though, the 200 pads can only soak up about 71 litres
02:57 PM fragalot: because I thought I ordered the SPC200-E ones which can soak up 166 litres, but apparently missed the "3" until Just checked the shipping note >.>
02:58 PM fragalot: still tempted to pour nearly half a litre of oil onto just one to see what it does, lol
02:58 PM lcvette_: question, any one running a servo with a brake?
02:59 PM lcvette_: if so what are you disabling the brake with output wise ?
02:59 PM fragalot: enable pin?
03:00 PM lcvette_: same one for the servo drive?
03:01 PM lcvette_: on my z axis
03:01 PM lcvette_: keeps the head from sliding on power down
03:01 PM fragalot: I would think so
03:02 PM fragalot: in the end you want it to brake when the drive is not actively controlling it
03:02 PM fragalot: so the enable pin makes sense
03:03 PM lcvette_: can i program two pins to both be the same thing?
03:03 PM fragalot: i think so
03:05 PM lcvette_: i cuurently have the Z axis brake wired to pin 1 and Z axis servo anable S-on to pin 14
03:06 PM lcvette_: so i would make both pin 1 and 14 z servo enable
03:12 PM gloops: what machine is this again lcvette?
03:12 PM gloops: ive not been paying much attention this week
03:12 PM lcvette_: VMC
03:12 PM gloops: oh yes thats right
03:12 PM lcvette_: boat anchor as of now
03:12 PM lcvette_: lol
03:13 PM fragalot: ?
03:14 PM lcvette_: large stationary chunk of useless metal
03:14 PM gloops: wow this is literally 15 minutes from me
03:14 PM fragalot: I meant the "as of now" - did something break?
03:14 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAHO-MH-700-PRECISION-UNIVERSAL-MILLING-MACHINE/192530876088?
03:14 PM gloops: very cheap milling machine there
03:15 PM fragalot: indeed
03:15 PM fragalot: I'd get it if it was that close to me
03:15 PM lcvette_: no, not break, tha my friend would have to impy it once ran at some point
03:15 PM fragalot: then hit myself because I need to rent a crane that can lift it over the house >.>
03:16 PM gloops: i cant buy stuff i dont really need, no room, or real use for it, would be nice to have though
03:16 PM lcvette_: yeah, logistics is a killer on big machines
03:17 PM gloops: plus 20 minutes left..
03:17 PM fragalot: and only 4 other people looking at it
03:18 PM gloops: only needs 2 interested, cant see it going mental in the last minute though
03:19 PM gloops: 550 maybe
03:20 PM gloops: 550-700
03:22 PM gloops: The machine was in full working order, until the intermediate shaft for the up/down was removed, , but have a drawing for it,
03:23 PM fragalot: I like the part that comes before that
03:24 PM gloops: well, kinda changes things, maybe 425
03:24 PM gloops: i block anyone without good feedback if the item is worth anything
03:30 PM syyl: that thing could be a moneygrave :D
03:31 PM gloops: only needs a shaft making, he says
03:31 PM fragalot: "how hard could it be"
03:32 PM fragalot: oh btw the shaft also needs 2 angular contact bearing, 4 nuts, a needle bearing, 5 gears, and a bushing or 2.
03:32 PM fragalot: and it needs a full length keyway
03:32 PM fragalot: obviously
03:32 PM syyl: (if somebody is considering a maho or deckel: carefull most of them have no standard bearings in the head. they have loose needles and the races are directly ground into the quill and spindle)
03:33 PM fragalot: interesting
03:33 PM fragalot: syyl: I caved and am going to completely re-mill the castings of my RF45 btw.
03:33 PM syyl: ohmy :D
03:33 PM gloops: they arent so common here
03:33 PM syyl: did you find somebody with a large mill?
03:34 PM fragalot: yeah, going there on the 26th with a case'o'beer
03:35 PM gloops: £421 takes the Maho
03:35 PM syyl: ha perfect
03:35 PM syyl: thats a good price :D
03:35 PM fragalot: :-)
03:35 PM syyl: (the beer)
03:35 PM syyl: not so sure about the maho
03:36 PM fragalot: bet you the maho is still in better shape than my RF45, even if it's missing part s:P
03:36 PM syyl: they are great toolroom mills
03:36 PM syyl: without a doubt
03:36 PM syyl: up with deckel and schaublin
03:36 PM gloops: 420 - hes got 500 left to spend it before he starts getting concerned
03:48 PM methods_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQEqKZ7CJlk
03:48 PM methods_: launch in 2 min
03:51 PM * fragalot makes whoosh noises
03:52 PM gloops: T - 20 seconds and counting!
03:53 PM fragalot: good job they have a license to show the earth from way up there this time xD
03:57 PM CaptHindsight: looks like it already launched
03:57 PM gloops: we need a trump rocket launch
03:57 PM methods_: they landed it
03:58 PM fragalot: messy though :P
03:58 PM fragalot: so messy they had to pixellate it
03:58 PM gloops: he would do it in style, ticker tape, trumpets fanfare the works
03:58 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, but it's off center :)
03:58 PM gloops: evil knieval
03:58 PM methods_: hehe
03:58 PM CaptHindsight: Bangabandhu hah!
03:58 PM fragalot: I like how the 3D view looks like kerbal
03:59 PM CaptHindsight: they sure go though lots of trouble to fake those space launches :)
03:59 PM fragalot: you can tell it's fake because the earth looked spherical
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: lens flare
04:00 PM fragalot: on a render?
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: brain flare
04:01 PM gloops: i am a moon landing denier
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: I always try to explain it this way: when you look in a mirror your reflection is flat even though your head is sort of a sphere
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: so even though the earth is a sphere it' still looks flat, since the camera is like a mirror
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: only it does not steal your soul
04:03 PM fragalot: cameras are only suite for gingers. got it.
04:03 PM gloops: you are not seeing the sphere as a plane though
04:03 PM fragalot: gloops: that's because the clouds get in the way
04:03 PM fragalot: :P
04:04 PM gloops: form, perspective is still apparent in the image
04:05 PM syyl: earth flat?
04:05 PM syyl: do you have a cat?
04:05 PM fragalot: syyl: no, but i'm curious where you're going with this
04:05 PM syyl: if the earth was flat
04:05 PM syyl: cats would have pushed everything off the edge by now.
04:06 PM fragalot: ahahhhaah
04:06 PM fragalot: :D
04:06 PM syyl: :)
04:06 PM fragalot: ew spaceX unskippable ad
04:07 PM fragalot: adblockers still can't block ads that are encoded right into the video :( someone should change that.
04:07 PM fragalot: i'd happily pay for part of the development.
04:07 PM SpeedEvil: I do wish it was possible to just pay for my own ads.
04:08 PM fragalot: I do like the new GDPR laws that are becoming in effect soon in EU
04:08 PM syyl: http://gtwr.de/div/mecha1.jpg
04:08 PM fragalot: my mailbox is currently being flooded with pleas to let them keep my information in their databases
04:08 PM syyl: stepping up my game :D
04:08 PM syyl: http://gtwr.de/div/mecha2.jpg
04:09 PM fragalot: syyl: servo + planetary gearbox?
04:09 PM syyl: hf spindle and toolchanger
04:09 PM fragalot: That is cute!
04:09 PM syyl: iso10 holder ;)
04:09 PM Tom_L: Harbor Freight sells spindles!!!!!
04:09 PM SpeedEvil: fragalot: It has been convenient to unsub frommailing lists forme.
04:09 PM fragalot: what's the rpm limit on iso10?
04:09 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: no you misunderstand
04:09 PM syyl: i guess that depends on the balancing ;)
04:09 PM syyl: that spindle goes to 24k
04:10 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: I have to actively say I want to give permission for them to keep any and all data about me. If I take no action, they must remove every trace of it
04:10 PM SpeedEvil: fragalot: yes, I know
04:11 PM fragalot: syyl: what is this going on?
04:12 PM syyl: my isel cnc router
04:12 PM fragalot: are you happy with it? I looked at isel before I started the DIY granite build
04:13 PM syyl: yes. bought it for one certain job, paid for itself very fast
04:14 PM syyl: and now more and more 3d milling work came in
04:15 PM fragalot: :)
04:17 PM gloops: how big is the router syyl?
04:17 PM fragalot: the acelleration that rocket is getting is INSANE.
04:17 PM fragalot: I wonder how many G's it pulls
04:17 PM syyl: 300x400
04:17 PM roycroft: here is a harbor freight spindle being manufactured:
04:17 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U1-6rEHBGA
04:17 PM syyl: http://gtwr.de/div/iselneu.jpg
04:17 PM roycroft: actually, that is post-manufacture
04:17 PM gloops: ahh ok, i noticed isel make some full sheet ones
04:18 PM roycroft: it's undergoing final quality control testing
04:18 PM gloops: the hy spindles seem fine for wood
04:18 PM roycroft: many of us have seen that video before :)
04:18 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: how can a rocket in space pull G's since there is little to no gravity in space
04:18 PM syyl: the toolchanger its rated up to aluminium, 12mm doc with 1mm stepover
04:18 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: condenser units.
04:19 PM fragalot: syyl: that's pretty decent for that size machine
04:19 PM CaptHindsight: portable gravity, that's clever
04:20 PM syyl: pocketsized blackhole?
04:20 PM CaptHindsight: SpeedEvil: bluetooth vs zigbee in an area with wifi, which has less interference?
04:20 PM roycroft: capthindsight: fake gravity
04:21 PM roycroft: and fake g's
04:23 PM roycroft: but to really answer your question, force is acceleration times mass, not acceleration times weight
04:23 PM roycroft: and you have mass whether there is gravity or not
04:23 PM SpeedEvil: CaptHindsight: zigbee can easily mesh
04:23 PM SpeedEvil: CaptHindsight: so itmay not be so clearcut
04:24 PM roycroft: if your space ship is accelerating and you're not doing so independently, it is applying a force on you
04:24 PM gloops: if you were travelling close to the speed of light, your mass would be Sol^125
04:25 PM CaptHindsight: SpeedEvil: zigbee or bluetooth will be <1m apart, operating indoors where there is wifi
04:26 PM roycroft: in space, with gravity being negligable, the lack of the counterforce of gravity means that the effective force at a given rate of acceleration will not be as great as it is in a gravity situation
04:26 PM roycroft: but it will still be there
04:26 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: zigbee's can run on the 868Mhz band too
04:26 PM CaptHindsight: SpeedEvil: several BT or zigbee (6-8), it's unknown how busy the wifi will be
04:27 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: might be an option if the wifi is just too busy
04:27 PM SpeedEvil: CaptHindsight: dunno. I would be surprised if it managed to interfere terminally, unless the wifi was at as close a range and constant
04:27 PM lcvette_: holy crap it opened!
04:27 PM fragalot: lcvette_: :o
04:28 PM gloops: open sesame
04:28 PM CaptHindsight: low bandwidth data on the BT or zigbee, a packet very minute or so
04:28 PM CaptHindsight: very/every
04:28 PM CaptHindsight: https://discourse-cdn-sjc1.com/smartthings/uploads/default/optimized/3X/c/9/c995f9889f6d3b48dee27ea3106fccd8ea0df204_1_690x369.png
04:29 PM CaptHindsight: zigbee can drop in between wifi channels. but I'll have more than 3
04:29 PM gloops: well, tommorrow looks a good day for a barbecue, on which ill cook my lathe topslide and weld up the crack, pics to follow
04:29 PM lcvette_: unexpected realtime delay on task 0, this message will only display once per session. run the latency test and resolve before continuing
04:29 PM gloops: but its TV time for now
04:29 PM fragalot: gloops: Good luck.
04:29 PM Deejay: gn8
04:29 PM gloops: lcvette - ignore that for now
04:30 PM fragalot: lcvette_: your jitter settings are set too low, it's not a fatal error, but I would resolve it if you want things to work well.
04:31 PM lcvette_: jitter?
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: lcvette_: did you run the latency test?
04:31 PM lcvette_: no
04:31 PM lcvette_: :/
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: it's in the menu
04:32 PM CaptHindsight: lcvette_: kill all the power management, spped stepping, virtualization in your BIOS settings first
04:33 PM CaptHindsight: lcvette_: are you using a desktop PC for the test or a laptop?
04:33 PM lcvette_: its a desktop
04:33 PM lcvette_: inside a panel
04:33 PM lcvette_: with mesa
04:33 PM lcvette_: 7i92
04:33 PM lcvette_: 7i77 7i76
04:34 PM CaptHindsight: with preemtp_rt?
04:34 PM lcvette_: i didn't do that before starting the latency test
04:34 PM lcvette_: can i stop it?
04:34 PM lcvette_: yes
04:34 PM lcvette_: preemt rt stretch
04:34 PM CaptHindsight: you can, but it will get better results with all of that turned off
04:34 PM CaptHindsight: you can compare with it the way it is now vs all off
04:35 PM lcvette_: good idea
04:35 PM CaptHindsight: all the settings off I should say
04:35 PM CaptHindsight: (not to be confused with power off, or similar)
04:35 PM lcvette_: im gonna go out on a limb and say its gonna be the worst results ever
04:35 PM fragalot: maybe, maybe not
04:35 PM fragalot: what did you get
04:36 PM CaptHindsight: probably not, there have been some really lousy ones
04:37 PM lcvette_: what numbers do you want
04:37 PM CaptHindsight: well I have tested some PC's that had no option to disable any power management and the numbers were in the millions
04:37 PM lcvette_: the bold ones?
04:37 PM fragalot: yes
04:37 PM CaptHindsight: many millions
04:37 PM lcvette_: 32773
04:37 PM lcvette_: 186311
04:37 PM CaptHindsight: not bad
04:37 PM CaptHindsight: base 32773?
04:38 PM CaptHindsight: servo thread 186311?
04:38 PM fragalot: probably the other way around?
04:38 PM lcvette_: yeah reverse
04:38 PM CaptHindsight: I have a board with numbers like that ^^
04:39 PM CaptHindsight: base is great, servo is lousy
04:39 PM lcvette_: great
04:39 PM lcvette_: lol
04:39 PM fragalot: all this means is that your machine will need to run slower to be reliable
04:39 PM lcvette_: uh oh
04:39 PM CaptHindsight: OK, so now go to the BIOS settings and kill all the things I mentioned
04:39 PM lcvette_: servo just doubled
04:40 PM lcvette_: 72468
04:40 PM fragalot: lcvette_: oh yeah, you need to run this test and load up the machine
04:40 PM lcvette_: 210571
04:40 PM fragalot: open firefox, open glxgears, resize windows, etc..
04:40 PM fragalot: do what you would do normally
04:40 PM lcvette_: i have many windows open now
04:40 PM fragalot: good
04:40 PM lcvette_: many many many windows open..lol
04:40 PM lcvette_: and many files open
04:40 PM lcvette_: the desktop is a wreck right now
04:40 PM fragalot: the idea is to find the worst-case numbers, then put those in the linuxcnc config so it knows what to expect :)
04:41 PM CaptHindsight: after killing all the power features in BIOS
04:42 PM lcvette_: how do i do that in bios?
04:42 PM lcvette_: is there a tutorial?
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: lcvette_: normally people are concerned with lower power use in their PC, this is achieved by slowing down the clocks in the CPU...
04:42 PM lcvette_: it sounds daunting
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: however this makes latency terrible
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: nah
04:43 PM CaptHindsight: with AMD, Disable - Core Performance Boost, Turbo CPB, Cool&Quiet, SVM Mode, C6 Mode, APM
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: turn off the equivalents with Intel
04:44 PM lcvette_: amd here
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: what APU and board?
04:44 PM lcvette_: ummmm
04:44 PM lcvette_: one minute
04:46 PM lcvette_: AMD A6-7400K FM2+
04:46 PM lcvette_: 4G ram
04:46 PM CaptHindsight: how lousy did pcw_mesa say the jitter may be with the hm2_eth?
04:46 PM lcvette_: 120g ssd
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: you should have no problem with that
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: lcvette_: which motherboard?
04:47 PM * JT-Shop wanders down to have a beer with the pullets
04:49 PM lcvette_: A58F2P-M4V:1.0 FM2+ ERS or ECS ?
04:49 PM lcvette_: does thjat sound right?
04:50 PM CaptHindsight: ECS
04:50 PM lcvette_: i just took that direct off the board\
04:50 PM CaptHindsight: hope they kept those BIOS features in so you can check them Off
04:50 PM lcvette_: how do i check them off?
04:50 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_SPEC.aspx?DetailID=1553&CategoryID=1&DetailName=Feature&MenuID=24&LanID=0
04:51 PM CaptHindsight: I have similar hardware working fine with software stepping (no Mesa fpga)
04:54 PM Lcvette: Join
04:55 PM lcvette_: just logged in from my tablet
04:55 PM lcvette_: i read i need to reboot and press an f key to go to bios
04:55 PM lcvette_: f2?
04:55 PM lcvette_: does that sound right?
04:57 PM lcvette_: Disable - Core Performance Boost, Turbo CPB, Cool&Quiet, SVM Mode, C6 Mode, APM
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: might be, some use "Delete" or some other F# key
04:57 PM lcvette_: just adding that to my tablet view
04:57 PM lcvette_: :)
04:57 PM lcvette_: ok gonna try it now
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: you want to use the manual settings for the cpu core speed
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: you don't want it jumping to any Boost/higher speed
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: you also don't want it slowing down or throttling to save power
05:00 PM Lcvette: Ooooh fancy looking
05:01 PM CaptHindsight: the efi menus?
05:01 PM Lcvette: I dunno trying to make sense of where I am
05:02 PM Lcvette: Very colorful
05:02 PM CaptHindsight: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/6170/ECS%20BIOS%2027%20-%20Mem%20Config%20Manual.JPG like this?
05:02 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, nothing like keeping it clear and simple
05:03 PM Lcvette: kinda
05:03 PM Lcvette: Have those menu items on to yes
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: I have to go
05:04 PM Lcvette: Ok
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: memory settings can be left on Auto
05:04 PM Lcvette: Ok
05:04 PM Lcvette: Eup?
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: the main ones are CPU freq, power management and virtualization
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/EUP
05:19 PM lcvette_: join
05:51 PM tiwake: hmm
05:55 PM CaptHindsight: lcvette_: just leaving, any luck with the settings?
05:55 PM Lcvette: I'm not seeing virtualization, or much to change in power management and CPU freq
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: in CPU settings and or chipset settings
05:56 PM Lcvette: The only thing I've changed was sleep
05:56 PM tiwake: any ideas besides linuxCNC that I should put in my 'controller build' for my hardinge CHNC thing?
05:56 PM Lcvette: Told it not to
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: Lcvette: the menus can be confusing
05:57 PM Lcvette: Very
05:57 PM gloops: using mesa tiwake?
05:58 PM CaptHindsight: and interaction even worse....
05:58 PM Lcvette: CPU over ratio configuration where I manually control voltage and amps?
05:58 PM Lcvette: I'm not comfortable with that
05:58 PM CaptHindsight: sometimes it up down arrows, sometimes page up page down
05:58 PM tiwake: gloops: yeah.. I have yet to test the main drive motor, but I might need controller stuff for that too
05:58 PM CaptHindsight: tab can take you several menus over
05:59 PM Lcvette: I have seen everything
05:59 PM CaptHindsight: Lcvette: I have to go but run the latency test again
05:59 PM Lcvette: There's just not anything like what you described
05:59 PM CaptHindsight: Lcvette: and with the ethernet driver the timing can be pretty poor
05:59 PM CaptHindsight: timing/jitter
05:59 PM Lcvette: In those menus
05:59 PM Lcvette: Ok
06:01 PM Lcvette: Do you know what SB speed spectrum is?
06:01 PM Lcvette: Spread*
06:01 PM tiwake: gloops: I kind of just got it... not going to get around to actually tearing it apart to see what it actually came with for a while, but it would be nice to start looking around
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: turn off spread spectrum
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: another jitter maker
06:02 PM gloops: well not my thing tiwake, people in here will tell you
06:06 PM gregcnc_: NOT USE Linuxcnc!?? Blasphemy!!
06:06 PM tiwake: gregcnc_: who isnt?
06:07 PM gregcnc_: oh you men other than linuxcnc? well yeah mesa to talk to the drives, etc.
06:08 PM gregcnc_: any idea what control it had?
06:09 PM tiwake: gregcnc_: mesa sure... the 7i77 kit thing.. I mean more along the lines of... iunno.. servo amplifiers and stuff
06:09 PM gregcnc_: all depends if you got any to begin with
06:09 PM tiwake: uh, no... and honestly I've never seen one of these before
06:09 PM XXCoder: interesting. I wonder how well this would work https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter?
06:10 PM tiwake: did it originally have a controller that rolled around next to the machine or something?
06:10 PM gregcnc_: early models
06:10 PM tiwake: cause I did not see any controller interface anywhere on the machine
06:11 PM XXCoder: got pics of machine?
06:11 PM tiwake: no
06:11 PM gregcnc_: https://www.machinesused.com/machine_details.cfm?ID=3207
06:11 PM tiwake: its still wrapped up from shipping
06:11 PM gregcnc_: later versions http://www.meridianmachinery.com/cnctrn/2393.htm
06:11 PM XXCoder: if tis same as one greg linked to it seem to stand off it
06:12 PM tiwake: gregcnc_: does not look like either of those
06:12 PM gregcnc_: doesn't JT have one of these?
06:12 PM XXCoder: wow actual tape http://manage.machinesused.com/Picts/3/3207_1.jpg
06:13 PM tiwake: gregcnc_: this is what it looks like, without the roll-around thing http://www.centroidcnc.com/images/hardinge_retrofit_new_600.jpg
06:13 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: is spread spectrum audio related?
06:13 PM Tom_L: was that paper or 9 track?
06:13 PM lcvette__: join
06:13 PM lcvette__: ok turned that off
06:13 PM lcvette__: rerunning latency
06:13 PM gregcnc_: yeah the big bubble top?
06:13 PM tiwake: yeah
06:13 PM lcvette__: started off lower
06:13 PM XXCoder: if dont have controller you'd have to build one I guess?
06:14 PM XXCoder: make it much more modern controller
06:14 PM tiwake: I guess besides that, nothing else seems to be missing
06:14 PM tiwake: at a glance anyway
06:14 PM tiwake: but I'm going to strip it completely down and sandblast and repaint everything
06:14 PM tiwake: (probably)
06:15 PM gloops: so linuxcnc > mesa > leadshines?
06:15 PM gloops: scrap the old stuff
06:15 PM tiwake: should I get new encoders and servos?
06:16 PM XXCoder: gloops: that machibne is likely to have larger screws
06:16 PM gregcnc_: http://www.janick.com/cnc/ might be helpful
06:16 PM XXCoder: maybe half inch maybe inch?
06:16 PM tiwake: I should get a proper camera
06:16 PM tiwake: bleh
06:16 PM XXCoder: I know some machines at work uses 3 inch screws
06:16 PM XXCoder: tiwake: got phone?
06:16 PM gloops: XXCoder wont make any difference to control ?
06:16 PM tiwake: and set up a website so I can document this crap
06:17 PM XXCoder: gloops: no difference, but replacing is harder
06:17 PM Tom_L: shouldn't matter
06:17 PM tiwake: XXCoder: no, I refuse to show stuff off with camera phone... its crap
06:17 PM lcvette__: Tom!
06:17 PM XXCoder: lol well could buy dead (blacklisted) phones on ebay, ones with decent camera cheaply
06:17 PM gloops: servos encoders - test, use if ok
06:17 PM gregcnc_: if it were me, to do that machien justice you want resolution, as much as you can justify
06:18 PM tiwake: alright, so I will need a good oscilloscope too
06:18 PM gregcnc_: figure out what it has for servo/encoders first, you probably won't need to go faster than it did
06:19 PM tiwake: what should I look for in terms of servo drivers?
06:20 PM lcvette__: Tom i have Latency :(
06:20 PM XXCoder: lcvette__: whats your jitter like
06:20 PM Tom_L: preempt-rt takes a faster machine usually
06:21 PM lcvette__: i thought i got a decent machine
06:21 PM lcvette__: my numbers?
06:21 PM lcvette__: jitter?
06:21 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:21 PM Tom_L: you never know until it's a tested MB
06:21 PM lcvette__: right now they are astronomical
06:21 PM gloops: wheres thats list of machines and associaed jitter on linuxcnc website
06:21 PM lcvette__: 98746 and 190799
06:21 PM XXCoder: your machine got decent gpu?
06:22 PM XXCoder: ow thats worse than my laptop
06:22 PM XXCoder: my laptop had 150k
06:22 PM lcvette__: ok what do i need to get?
06:22 PM lcvette__: i'll order it right now
06:23 PM XXCoder: ermm not too sure what gpu would imprive jitter best
06:23 PM XXCoder: guys?
06:23 PM Tom_L: i'd ask pcw_mesa about current motherboards
06:23 PM Tom_L: he tests them quite a bit
06:24 PM lcvette__: i have a AMD A5-7400K FM2+ 3.5ghz
06:25 PM XXCoder: not cpu
06:25 PM XXCoder: gpu
06:25 PM lcvette__: whats a gpu?
06:25 PM XXCoder: video card
06:25 PM lcvette__: oh
06:26 PM lcvette__: its onboard
06:26 PM XXCoder: yep need a ok video card to improve it a lot
06:26 PM XXCoder: make sure its supported well by linux, which usually is nvindia
06:27 PM gloops: yeah disable that
06:27 PM gloops: could be creaky hard drive maybe
06:29 PM lcvette__: http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_SPEC.aspx?DetailID=1595&CategoryID=1&DetailName=Feature&MenuID=186&LanID=0
06:29 PM lcvette__: 120gb ssd
06:29 PM gloops: what is the computer lcvette?
06:30 PM lcvette__: local place sold it to me
06:30 PM gloops: any name on it ?
06:30 PM lcvette__: i got the specs from a forum member, they said amd, 3+ghz
06:31 PM gloops: its not always about chip and ram
06:31 PM lcvette__: not a certain onboard graphics type which i don't remember the type but this isn't that one
06:31 PM gloops: single core processor is better
06:31 PM lcvette__: ah
06:32 PM gloops: you should have 4 gig ram
06:32 PM lcvette__: i do
06:32 PM lcvette__: i actually have two of these same exact systems
06:33 PM gloops: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/25927-reducing-latency-on-multicore-pc-s-success
06:33 PM lcvette__: one on a setup for my lathe running the regular linuxcnc and a 6i25/7i76 and i want to say it had a latency result of like 17,xxx and 19,xxx
06:34 PM lcvette__: only difference is the monitor
06:34 PM lcvette__: bought same place same time
06:35 PM lcvette__: and i did nothing in the way of power management on that one for the test
06:35 PM gloops: and the hard drive
06:36 PM lcvette__: yeah your right,, that one has a standard hard drive forgot about that
06:37 PM lcvette__: i have a new 500gb HDD i could try i guess if you guys thing it would be better than the SSD?
06:38 PM lcvette__: 101239/190799
06:38 PM lcvette__: :/
06:39 PM gloops: well, you got a problem, it would eliminate the hard drive as the cause if nothing else
06:39 PM gloops: only got to install linuxcnc and paste a few config files
06:41 PM lcvette__: im gonna send PCW an email and just find out what I need to get and order it, ive been beaten down by this thing for too long now
06:42 PM lcvette__: its like whackamole
06:42 PM gloops: you will beat it
07:21 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: he doesn't need a video card, his BIOS won't let him kill power management
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: most of the RTAI development was done on a similar APU's to the one he is using
07:40 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: ow yeah that hurts jitter
07:42 PM gregcnc_: so the hardinge retrofit link I posted said somethign about Ajax/Centroid being based on EMC?
08:06 PM malcom2073: gregcnc_: I've heard that once before... no clue if there's any truth to it
08:08 PM XXCoder: new zika virus spreading in africa. response from usa? pandemic response leader quits.
08:11 PM gregcnc_: an old link ajax site talks about linux os
08:11 PM gregcnc_: was there no live feed for the launch today?
09:14 PM lcvette: hey all
09:15 PM lcvette: im trying to get some movement and decided to just make a basic config file so i can jog my axis around to fnish installing the home switches
09:15 PM lcvette: and im getting some errors in it i am not having much success understanding
09:15 PM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/X6ULm80K
09:16 PM pcw_home: If you are just trying to get some movement I would setup a 7i76 config step/dir only via pncconf
09:16 PM lcvette: below is hal file
09:17 PM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/FWuWQb3T
09:17 PM lcvette: thats what i did
09:17 PM lcvette: well i want to also run the spindle to do some setting adjustments on it as well
09:17 PM lcvette: and it is run on the 7i77
09:18 PM lcvette: but i did a pretty basic setup
09:19 PM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/22u9d3Z5
09:19 PM lcvette: ini file
09:19 PM pcw_home: you have a open loop system overlapped with a closed loop system
09:19 PM lcvette: i do?
09:19 PM pcw_home: can't work
09:20 PM pcw_home: you must have enabled per axis encoders
09:20 PM lcvette: hmmm..
09:20 PM lcvette: ok
09:21 PM lcvette: i will redo the pncconfig
09:22 PM pcw_home: If you want something basic, generate a step/dir config (dont enable per axis encoders)
09:23 PM lcvette: ok
09:23 PM lcvette: will that mean i can't use the spindle?
09:23 PM lcvette: on the 7i77?
09:23 PM lcvette: which is analog
09:27 PM pcw_home: you can use anything you want but that particular config is broken
09:27 PM lcvette: ok just leave the 7i77 as unused encoders
09:27 PM pcw_home: theres no issue setting up a spindle encoder but if you enable per axis encoders you are not going to get a simple setup
09:28 PM pcw_home: not sure why pncconf created the overlapped config but I know it does created usable open loop step/dir configs
09:28 PM lcvette: i just went through it and i don't see any option for per axis encoders
09:28 PM lcvette: i did have x y z encoders selected in the 7i77 for 1 , 2, 3
09:28 PM lcvette: but i changed those to unused now
09:29 PM pcw_home: thats what I mean by per axis encoders, you enabled per axis encoder feedback
09:30 PM lcvette: ok..
09:30 PM lcvette: fixed
09:30 PM lcvette: !
09:31 PM lcvette: does notepad++ work in linux?
09:31 PM lcvette: ive been running back and forth to my pc to do the replace function because its the only editor i know how to do that with
09:32 PM pcw_home: I usually use gedit (you would have to add that to Debian)
09:32 PM lcvette: i have it
09:32 PM lcvette: just don't know how to use it
09:32 PM lcvette: like nbotepad++
09:32 PM pcw_home: the stretch ISO should have mousepad
09:32 PM XXCoder: theres more advanced options but steep learning curve
09:33 PM pcw_home: gedit is pretty basic
09:33 PM XXCoder: gedit is essentally notepad
09:33 PM lcvette: yeah i was just using notepad to do the 7i92 replace thing
09:33 PM lcvette: there is like 88 of those suckers
09:33 PM lcvette: lol
09:34 PM XXCoder: for terminial I like to use nanp
09:34 PM XXCoder: *nano
09:34 PM lcvette: yeah i use nano for my basic changes
09:34 PM lcvette: i really like seeing it
09:34 PM lcvette: feel confident in the changes im making in there
09:34 PM XXCoder: I used to use emacs a lot
09:35 PM XXCoder: but not for years now
09:35 PM lcvette: cursor thing is kind of slow but im a hunt and peck typer anyhow soo...
09:35 PM XXCoder: when editing source code its amazing to have two views in same file
09:35 PM XXCoder: and have third view, for different file
09:36 PM lcvette: PCW, is there any problem with using two z servo enable outputs? one for the servo and one for a brake
09:36 PM XXCoder: https://fossbytes.com/9-best-text-editors-linux-programming-2017/
09:36 PM lcvette: on different pins
09:37 PM pcw_home: there should be no issue, though typically there needs to be some delay from releasing the brake and enabling the servo
09:37 PM lcvette: yeah i was thinking the same thing, but have not yet imagined how that would go
09:38 PM lcvette: its very well counter balanced
09:38 PM lcvette: so its not gonna drop or anything
09:38 PM lcvette: but the delay would be nice
09:39 PM lcvette: that will have to be for the more advanced days to come
09:39 PM lcvette: right now im stuck on the abc's
09:39 PM lcvette: lol
09:40 PM roycroft: abc
09:40 PM lcvette: oh and i did this config with the P values at 1000 as you suggested in your forum post
09:40 PM roycroft: it's as easy as 123
09:40 PM roycroft: as simple as do re mi
09:40 PM lcvette: i can't do 123 yet either so..
09:40 PM roycroft: abc
09:40 PM roycroft: 123 baby, you and me
09:40 PM lcvette: one, tw......
09:40 PM lcvette: hahahah
09:41 PM lcvette: a
09:47 PM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/NTAQhX7J
09:47 PM lcvette: better?
09:50 PM lcvette: yay, it worked
09:50 PM lcvette: moment of truth now.. to power on the machine
09:55 PM lcvette: it moves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:56 PM roycroft: it's alive!
09:57 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/QuoKNZjr8_U
09:57 PM * Tecan >>> Auto-op est suspendu...
09:58 PM XXCoder: compilation of its alive! https://youtu.be/gWUokrht-H0
10:04 PM XXCoder: interesting project idea if have mouse issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvWD-E-gbkk
10:05 PM lcvette: it moves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:07 PM XXCoder: interesting that mouse would go right by dead mouse
10:07 PM XXCoder: lcvette: how well does it move?
10:09 PM lcvette: tooo well
10:09 PM lcvette: :(
10:09 PM lcvette: i quit
10:09 PM lcvette: lol
10:09 PM XXCoder: too much backlash or what
10:09 PM lcvette: i just bought myself a pair of linear trucks for the Y axis in the front
10:10 PM lcvette: and alot of work to replace the ones i just smashed
10:11 PM XXCoder: traveled too far eh
10:12 PM lcvette: the acceleration was set low
10:12 PM lcvette: and it started picking up speed before i could get off the button
10:12 PM lcvette: did not look like it was going that fast until it was going tooo fast
10:13 PM XXCoder: ow
10:13 PM lcvette: and then smack hit the cover extensions in front of the linear rails and now has a nice crunchy sound to it so no more machine for a while
10:13 PM lcvette: thank goodness its in the front and will be the easiest to get too
10:14 PM lcvette: couple hundred bucks for that lesson
10:14 PM lcvette: carpe diem
10:14 PM lcvette: no thats not right
10:14 PM lcvette: se la vie
10:14 PM lcvette: better
10:15 PM lcvette: ok im out.. time for a cocktail
10:15 PM XXCoder: you may have killed just bearings. is bearings replacable?
10:16 PM lcvette: i'll just have the manbufacturer send me two new trucks
10:16 PM lcvette: im not gonna screw with truing to repack bearings and size them properly
10:16 PM XXCoder: ya some stuff just isnt worth doing
10:16 PM lcvette: they will have a code for the machine
10:17 PM lcvette: not at this point
10:17 PM lcvette: lol
10:17 PM lcvette: that was the straw
10:17 PM XXCoder: you could use broken rails for plottter or something
10:17 PM lcvette: camels back is broke
10:17 PM lcvette: lol
10:17 PM lcvette: be a hell of a plotter
10:17 PM lcvette: 40mm rail
10:17 PM XXCoder: or laser
10:18 PM XXCoder: those has essentally zero sideload
10:18 PM XXCoder: dang thats thick rail
10:19 PM lcvette: yeah.. theyre large
10:20 PM lcvette: lol
10:20 PM lcvette: ok im off man
10:20 PM XXCoder: how long is those rails?
10:20 PM XXCoder: ok later heh
10:20 PM lcvette: rail is fine
10:21 PM lcvette: just the truck
10:22 PM lcvette: front two trucks
10:22 PM lcvette: under the saddle
10:25 PM Tom_shop: you broke the linear bearing saddle?
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