#linuxcnc Logs

May 10 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:31 AM IchGucksLive: hi all from a Sunny but fulll red alert Germany
12:34 AM IchGucksLive: its goiing to get thundery today
12:39 AM IchGucksLive: lcvette, online ?
12:43 AM IchGucksLive: off 2 garden
01:58 AM Deejay: moin
02:09 AM gloops: morning Deejay
02:13 AM Aztec03 is now known as Panoptes
02:29 AM saintsinner: "Embedded injection cylinder mechanism."--What can it be? It lacks the nozzle? This is an injection plastic machine.
02:33 AM gloops: so the injection ports are in the die?
02:34 AM saintsinner: normally, there is a nozzle, and the there's a conical channel, going into the die
02:35 AM saintsinner: gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4F9jvMBk0Y
02:36 AM saintsinner: And this, "embedded" type is somewhat cheaper, but I can not figure out how it differs.
02:37 AM saintsinner: Nozzle and the die actually can be adjusted, cause these are two huge and weighty thingies.
02:38 AM saintsinner: Aha, it probably lacks the screw and it is just something simplified like this https://youtu.be/-lw3PoUxKxM?t=111
02:41 AM gloops: looks pretty typical injection equipment
02:42 AM saintsinner: yes, but this option...
02:42 AM gloops: if theres no screw theres got to be a piston
02:42 AM gloops: or ram or whatever you want to call it
02:45 AM saintsinner: yeah... This text, which is given to me, just lacks something. This, what I look onto, is just taken out of the context.
03:29 AM RyanS: what's a sufficient pull force, for a magnetic plasma torch mount?
03:34 AM gloops: miss0r was messing about with something like that the other week i think, he might have some idea
03:35 AM gloops: you started with the plasma machine then RyanS?
03:35 AM RyanS: i started the torch clamp
03:37 AM RyanS: I want to use opposing magnets like this but using threaded magnets http://plasmatorchprotectionsystem.com/magnetic-breakaway-machine-torch-mount-plasma-torch-protection-systems/
03:38 AM gloops: well he states 58lbs holding force there
03:39 AM RyanS: I don't know if opposing magnets double the strength. eg pull force x 8
03:39 AM RyanS: which is 35N per magnet
03:39 AM RyanS: 270 total
03:40 AM gloops: how about a base off an old mag drill or something
03:40 AM gloops: or are you buying everything to spec
03:45 AM RyanS: making the mount, just buying magnets like https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/magnets/8734997/
04:02 AM saintsinner: Where can I get link to this log&
04:32 AM miss0r: gloops: I what with the what?
04:35 AM RyanS: what are those alignment stud thingies? are they off the shelf? http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/13650984-post1.html
04:41 AM XXCoder: RyanS: gluegun attachment?
04:41 AM XXCoder: oh plama cutter?
04:41 AM RyanS: plasma
05:57 AM Tom_L: you wait for the bot to come back online then log
05:57 AM Tom_L: see
05:57 AM jthornton: .weather
05:57 AM Tom_L: 65 and rain
05:57 AM jthornton: that one must be down
05:57 AM XXCoder: Stormy 125F, 2 inches rainfall
05:58 AM jthornton: pretty hot over there
05:58 AM XXCoder: lol I was helping bot reply to your command ;)
05:58 AM XXCoder: here its 49f partially cloudy
05:59 AM jthornton: 67°F cloudy
05:59 AM Tom_L: apparently the auto rejoin failed on the server for the bot
05:59 AM jthornton: 13:58:20 of daylight today
06:02 AM gloops: think i maybe have found the limit to my router, very surprisingly - the main bench/frame, at top speed with rapid halt, there seems to be a bit of a shudder from it
06:03 AM gloops: triangulated 2 inch box section, bolted down
06:04 AM gloops: but i wont be attempting much at that rate anyway
06:06 AM miss0r: gloops: That is correct. I made a magbase stand for my EDM
06:06 AM XXCoder: hey Strum welcome
06:06 AM XXCoder: miss0r: how hard was magbase?
06:07 AM XXCoder: im wondering about makjing one for hell of it whenever can
06:07 AM Strum: hi people
06:07 AM miss0r: XXCoder: Are you planning to make the bagbase from scratch yourself?
06:07 AM XXCoder: not too sure whats involved lol im sure steel cutting is needed which my machine cant do
06:07 AM Strum: so i've just got a grbl shield and am wondering about what CAM and controller software to use with it
06:08 AM Strum: running windows
06:08 AM miss0r: XXCoder: well, in my opinion: don't waste your time making the actual magbase itself, they are dirt cheap
06:08 AM XXCoder: lol ok
06:08 AM miss0r: and even the fleabay ones are 'alright'
06:09 AM XXCoder: I, however, WILL make interesting physics with magnets, that weird rotating thing its simple enough just need bunch fo cheap cube ones
06:09 AM gloops: i wanted something like for my little 'surface grinder' thing i made for the lathe
06:09 AM miss0r: Strum: most will work :)
06:09 AM Strum: what do you use?
06:09 AM XXCoder: linuxcnc dont do usb is your board onlky have usb interface or has paralel? I recall you saying yours has parallel?
06:09 AM miss0r: Strum: I use MasterCAM x5, and just send the g-code to the grbl with universal g-code sender
06:10 AM miss0r: grbl boards are USB.
06:10 AM miss0r: The thing about grbl boards are that they handle the g-code themselves, so you don't realy need a controller on the PC end
06:10 AM XXCoder: isnt windows also pretty shitty on realtime control?
06:11 AM miss0r: well, arduino + grbl sheild even
06:11 AM XXCoder: ah yeah that would lower latency requirements very much
06:11 AM Strum: i have a paralell controller but no PC with paralell port, just got grbl shield for USB
06:11 AM XXCoder: Strum: honestly cheap parallel cards out there
06:11 AM XXCoder: just be sure to get right type, some is limited
06:12 AM Strum: i'm running a laptop and don't have a pccard adaptor
06:12 AM miss0r: but: what are you going to use the parallel controller for?
06:12 AM XXCoder: ah laptop is almost always crappy on latency
06:12 AM Strum: the next machine i build
06:12 AM miss0r: Indeed
06:12 AM XXCoder: my esktop replacement laptop it had over 150k us jigger LOL
06:12 AM XXCoder: now that was insane
06:12 AM miss0r: grbl has some pretty serious limitations in my opinion. I only have it one machine, which I'm giving away this saturday, actualy :)
06:13 AM XXCoder: my 12 year old pc (with decent gpu) 12k jigger
06:13 AM Strum: i have a bunch of pc gear i could build up a machine
06:13 AM jthornton: hmm a laptop, windows, grbl... what does that have to do with LinuxCNC?
06:13 AM miss0r: I'm off to finish breaking into this drawer system from a bank :]
06:13 AM XXCoder: Strum: honestly get a pc and install linuxcnc. FAR more flexability for your multiple machines
06:13 AM Strum: i've run emc with thart od controller, but didn't have the machine, just the motors
06:13 AM miss0r: (modifying it, to sit in my car)
06:14 AM Strum: well i'm gonna have a play with the grbl shield and see how i go
06:14 AM Strum: will build a dedicated machine up later
06:14 AM Strum: waiting on rails and bearings atm
06:14 AM XXCoder: cool :)
06:15 AM XXCoder: im waiting for a entire shop :P
06:15 AM XXCoder: but way too many irons in fire
06:15 AM Strum: well the machine will help me build a bunch of other stuff
06:15 AM XXCoder: need to finish basement, fix yards, fix garage, so on and on
06:16 AM Strum: understandable
06:16 AM Strum: :)
06:17 AM * jthornton has so many projects I can'e even remember them all
06:18 AM XXCoder: careful, dont smash your projects stack!
06:27 AM Strum: i can try it with grbl and swap the controller over later on
06:33 AM Strum: at this point i'm looking at getting a tool to make some g-code from a cad file mostly
06:34 AM XXCoder: freecad has it, but eh dunno
06:34 AM XXCoder: so many choices on windows, and so few on linux lol
06:35 AM Strum: had a play with freecad powerful but not easy to learn
06:35 AM Strum: i'm most familar with rhino
06:35 AM Strum: but it's not parametric
06:35 AM XXCoder: freecad cam is pretty weak I thinkj
06:35 AM XXCoder: I played with fusion360 its not too bad, but then it dont run in virtualbox well
06:36 AM XXCoder: no windows pc here
06:41 AM gloops: what type of machine Strum?
06:42 AM gloops: http://caelinux.com/CMS/
06:43 AM XXCoder: hmmmm
06:43 AM gloops: F-Engrave for engraving, v carving that kind of stuff
06:43 AM XXCoder: it can sim hardware running or?
06:43 AM Strum: 3 axis router, dual leadscrew x axis, 450mm*450mm*100mm cutting envelope
06:44 AM gloops: F-Engrave a good start for freeware, basic but can really do a lot of stuff that V-Carve can
06:44 AM XXCoder: gloops: can f0engrave do inlays?
06:44 AM gloops: XXCoder i think CAEcad runs from live cd so can run on windows machines
06:44 AM XXCoder: not just flat inlays but also carved inlays where it can make sharp corners
06:44 AM XXCoder: I dont use any windows lol
06:44 AM gloops: XXCoder hmm, not sure on that, i think it does some inlay
06:45 AM XXCoder: cool should try cae and f-engrave
06:45 AM XXCoder: latter seems great for plotter and router
06:45 AM Strum: heap chinese supported rails and blocks, 12mm
06:45 AM XXCoder: umm
06:45 AM XXCoder: last version 2013?
06:45 AM gloops: v carve inlays f-engrave https://youtu.be/8ty7ITWadv8
06:46 AM XXCoder: nice!
06:46 AM XXCoder: oh 2017 is latest news
06:47 AM gloops: the vectric apps have some very convenient routines for getting code fast, but f-engrave can do much the same, with a few more clicks
06:47 AM XXCoder: is there better cam for plotter?
06:47 AM gloops: i dunno
06:47 AM gloops: anyway bbl
06:48 AM XXCoder: Strum: well hopefully you got plenty of info to think about lol
06:55 AM Strum: r i think CAEcad runs from live cd so can run on windows machines,, don't want to have to reboot
06:57 AM XXCoder: I wonder if it runs in virtualbox well enough
06:57 AM XXCoder: but same time it seems extremely demending'
06:58 AM XXCoder: my pc has 16 gb ram, and virtualvox I can use say 8 gb
07:04 AM XXCoder: of to bed I go. later
07:06 AM jthornton: night
07:26 AM IchGucksLive: hi all rain in germany
07:27 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, still online
07:28 AM Loetmichel: IchGucksLive: yeah, bad thing. just wanted to drive to the "rhön" for a quadcopter meeting... in the convertible... now i have to drive closed :-(
07:29 AM IchGucksLive: its a mess as we prepared here for thousend guests and only 200 join
07:30 AM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel, but rain is also badly needed for corn
07:32 AM Beachbumpete1: Loetmichel what sort of quads do you have?
07:36 AM IchGucksLive: .seen mate
07:42 AM jthornton: that bot is down it seems
07:43 AM IchGucksLive: jthornton, no problem
07:43 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, ?
07:51 AM Strum: yeah
07:52 AM Strum: just been looking for motor power for grbl shield
07:52 AM Strum: IchGucksLive
07:52 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, hi im in germany
07:53 AM IchGucksLive: the mesurments you gave can be around many so what is the main use
07:53 AM IchGucksLive: usige is the goal to a best budget
07:53 AM Strum: no single one use
07:53 AM miss0r: IchGucksLive: I'm going to Celle this wensday, to install a okuma cnc lathe. I was just wondering, as this is my first buisness trip to germany: When I get to the factory, what are the required safety equipment? (usualy)
07:53 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, or is it as cheep as it can be
07:54 AM Strum: from panels for electronics enclosures
07:54 AM Strum: pcbs, carved wooden signs
07:54 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, PSA is given to you from factory if needed
07:55 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, so ALuminium is the hardest and a MUST
07:55 AM miss0r: sure, but what about shoes? Ofcourse they need to be steel toed act. but I war open ones, with no heel. Will that be an issue?
07:55 AM Strum: i've got a bit of a budget but not huge
07:55 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, where in the world are you continent
07:55 AM Strum: was going to make this one from mdf and use it to drill the alimunium for the next one
07:55 AM Strum: aus
07:55 AM IchGucksLive: Australia
07:55 AM Strum: yeah
07:56 AM IchGucksLive: there are a view around here
07:56 AM Strum: not much around where iam close by
07:56 AM Strum: i'm 400kms for nearest city
07:56 AM IchGucksLive: so what mashines do you got to build your own
07:56 AM Strum: and that;s the most isolted city on earth
07:57 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, where the DRY waterrace is
07:57 AM Strum: cicular saw and a drill press basically
07:57 AM Strum: no south west coast
07:57 AM miss0r: IchGucksLive ^
07:58 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, i dont think factories alow open showes
07:58 AM IchGucksLive: at least for the mechanoocs
07:59 AM miss0r: Alright, I'll need to go get a new pair to use for occasions like this
07:59 AM miss0r: I hope they serve a good schnitzel at the hotel :]
08:00 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/holzcnc.jpg
08:00 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, made with only a Drill
08:01 AM IchGucksLive: miss0r, there is a schnitzelfarm in munster
08:01 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, i can give you a full drawing set
08:01 AM IchGucksLive: http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/hp_z350.jpg
08:01 AM Strum: got my own plans already
08:02 AM IchGucksLive: ok
08:02 AM Strum: waiting on rails and bearing atm
08:02 AM IchGucksLive: so why gbrl
08:02 AM Strum: can take ages in mail
08:02 AM Strum: 6 weeks from china
08:02 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, SBR or HGH
08:02 AM Strum: sbr
08:02 AM Strum: 12mm
08:03 AM IchGucksLive: 12 is realy tiny and do not tke alot force
08:03 AM Strum: i'm not planning on cutting steel with it
08:04 AM Strum: and i've gone with a dual lead screw x axis so 2 rails each side
08:04 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, this shoudt have been the minimum set https://www.ebay.de/itm/DE-SBR16-Guide-Rail-Set-3-Ballscrew-RM1605-350-750-1150mm-Nut-Housing-BK-BF12-/263653107791
08:04 AM Strum: it'll be ok
08:04 AM Strum: for $140 for 3 sets of 600mm rails i'm ot complaining
08:04 AM IchGucksLive: BETTER and perfect von all is https://www.ebay.de/itm/EU-Square-Linear-Guide-Rail-Set-Ballscrew-RM1605-400-700-1000mm-Nut-BKBF-HGH20-/253560544689
08:05 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, US Dollar
08:05 AM Strum: aud
08:05 AM Strum: 4 times the price for that
08:05 AM Strum: looks good though
08:06 AM Strum: next machine with have guide rails and be heavier
08:06 AM Strum: if i can drill the holes accurately enough in 12mm aluminium with this one i can use it to make a proper one
08:07 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, this is the price on 4days delivery i got for your items https://www.cnc-discount.com/linearfuehrungen/gruen/cnc-set-wagen-kurz/cnc-set-gruen-wagen-kurz/40?number=GS12060G12.Set.600.WK2.1%20kg
08:08 AM Strum: ont to here mate
08:08 AM Strum: 10 days from melbourne or sydney
08:09 AM Strum: 2-3 weeks from europe
08:09 AM IchGucksLive: yes it is nice where you live but hard to get
08:09 AM Strum: indeed
08:09 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, better you use the TB6600
08:09 AM IchGucksLive: and run on 36V
08:09 AM IchGucksLive: it will increse all your power
08:10 AM Strum: worry about the details when i get the machine buils and plotting witha pen
08:11 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmach3+breakoutboard.TRS0&_nkw=mach3+breakoutboard&_sacat=0
08:11 AM IchGucksLive: 26AU¼
08:11 AM IchGucksLive: $
08:11 AM IchGucksLive: AU Stock 28
08:12 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, THIS one https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/5-Axis-MACH3-CNC-Breakout-Board-Interface-for-Stepper-Motor-Driver/171937278701
08:12 AM Strum: already got a paralell port controller and drivers
08:12 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, the blue ones are the fake ones
08:12 AM Strum: messing with grbl shield first
08:13 AM Strum: don't have running pc with paralell prot
08:14 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/3achs_elek.jpg
08:14 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, there are PCI cards that boust your system
08:14 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, for 10AUS
08:15 AM Strum: laptop
08:15 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, thats the worst you can get
08:15 AM Strum: i'm going to start with grbl, and when i gt the machine built i can build up a dedicated pc with paralell
08:15 AM IchGucksLive: it will work ok
08:16 AM IchGucksLive: as you say them im out have a nice DAY
08:22 AM Loetmichel: Beachbumpete1: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8259&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
08:22 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7507
08:22 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12037
08:23 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12997&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
08:23 AM Loetmichel: enough?
08:23 AM Loetmichel: i also made a few out of plastic and plywood:
08:24 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5174
08:24 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5171&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
08:24 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4876
08:25 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4848
08:26 AM Loetmichel: :-)
08:52 AM mtpocketscnc1: Morning
08:54 AM gloops: im not sure what the pros and cons of grbl v linuxcnc are
08:54 AM gloops: arduino is faster
09:17 AM hazzy-dev: gloops: grbl is OK for basic machines like a router with low step rate, LCNC is WAY more configurable and can support much more complicated setups
09:18 AM hazzy-dev: I have used GRBL a good bit and it is very nice firmware with excellent support
09:19 AM hazzy-dev: gloops: grbl also only implements the bare minimum g and m codes
09:20 AM gloops: i see, ive only sipped through a few descriptions online and watched a couple of youtube vids, seems popular with diy builders though - grbl
09:22 AM hazzy-dev: Yes, for something like a simple DIY router LCNC is overkill
09:22 AM hazzy-dev: if you are familiar with the marling 3d printer firmware, that is basically a specialized fork of grbl
09:23 AM hazzy-dev: *marlin
09:27 AM Strum: is marlin better than plain grbl?
09:27 AM Strum: if so how?
09:30 AM gloops: well, if grbl is limited, its probably a better idea to start out with linuxcnc or mach3 or whatever, if you are going to be progressing through more complicated machines
09:45 AM Panoptes is now known as Aztec03
09:49 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:56 AM JT-Shop: crap reconcile is 0.67 cents off
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: sun is coming up in germany after a bad ofday
10:00 AM Strum: my do my stpeers sit an vibrate and not turn?
10:01 AM Strum: steppers
10:01 AM Strum: tried messing with grbl settings still not working
10:01 AM IchGucksLive: clk/dir wrong
10:01 AM IchGucksLive: timing wrong
10:01 AM Strum: direction shouldn't matter
10:01 AM Strum: yes obvious but how do i set the timing?
10:01 AM Strum: trial an error is getting me nowhere
10:01 AM IchGucksLive: if dir is clock it will
10:02 AM Strum: well the drivers are in the shield right
10:02 AM IchGucksLive: timing is 5us per step
10:02 AM IchGucksLive: on dir change it is 20
10:02 AM Strum: the motors turn on the accel and decc part then just vibrate
10:02 AM Strum: tried slowign down the rate but can't get it right
10:02 AM IchGucksLive: speed to high
10:03 AM IchGucksLive: what drivers you got homany Volt
10:03 AM Strum: a4988
10:03 AM Strum: 12v
10:04 AM Strum: pc power supply
10:04 AM Strum: messed abouty with grbl settings in serial terminal
10:04 AM Strum: higher voltage better?
10:05 AM IchGucksLive: your stepeprs need at least 5times the rated voltige
10:05 AM Strum: i did find a 30v power supply i could use
10:05 AM IchGucksLive: this means 24 min is better
10:05 AM Strum: ok i'll try the 30v supply
10:05 AM IchGucksLive: WAIT the A4988 can not take that
10:05 AM Strum: says 12-36
10:06 AM IchGucksLive: ok
10:07 AM Strum: man those drivers will run 2a at 36v thorugh that tiny BGA package
10:08 AM Strum: amazing
10:11 AM IchGucksLive: Strum, are you on the new gbrl
10:11 AM Strum: 1.1
10:11 AM IchGucksLive: $110=100
10:12 AM IchGucksLive: $111=100
10:12 AM IchGucksLive: $112=100
10:13 AM IchGucksLive: $120 - 121 - 122 set to 30
10:13 AM IchGucksLive: this shoudt give you a start
10:13 AM IchGucksLive: did you check all by $$
10:16 AM Strum: yeah
10:16 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden to shake the tomatos water off the leaves
10:22 AM Strum: hmm i think the caps are dischargin back through the power supply or something
10:22 AM Strum: getting sparks when i connect the power
10:22 AM lcvette: join
10:37 AM lcvette: hey all
10:39 AM gregcnc_: how is the setup going?
10:46 AM lcvette: its coming along
10:57 AM lcvette: i am changing some of the digital links he had i just learned about in the hal file, then i need to program my drives, then im going to load up the config files and give it a whirls
10:57 AM lcvette: maybe by days end I have a moving machine
11:00 AM gloops: fingers crossed
11:00 AM gloops: maybe not this day but certainly some day lol
11:00 AM lcvette: some day
11:00 AM lcvette: some day
11:00 AM lcvette: hopefully
11:01 AM lcvette: i gaurantee it will move by the end of the weekend
11:01 AM gloops: ive every confidence in your abilities lcvette
11:03 AM lcvette: i have an ethernet smoothstepper an old breakout board and know mach3 like any other kid from the 1980's knows an Atari 2600...hahahhaaha
11:04 AM skunkworks: sorry to hear that... :)
11:04 AM skunkworks: how was your experience with mach3 and smoothstepper? why didn't you go with mach4?
11:04 AM lcvette: thats just the nuclear option.. but i don't see it being necessary
11:04 AM lcvette: i wtill run mach3 on two other machines
11:05 AM lcvette: i love it, but i wanted more
11:05 AM lcvette: if it were more stable and had encoder feedback i may have never taken the plunge into linuxcnc
11:05 AM lcvette: mach4, nope
11:06 AM lcvette: seems its still in its infancy and has taken forever to get where it is, and the cost is a bit ridiculous
11:08 AM lcvette: I know once i learn linuxcnc and get comfortable with it some more i will really enjoy it
11:08 AM devlap: o/
11:08 AM lcvette: i went through the same learning curve albeit much shorter with mach3
11:10 AM devlap: Whats the deal with reducing jitter. I'm running the linuxcnc live install
11:10 AM devlap: I have a Q6600 and disabled everything related to VTx and stuff in the bios.
11:10 AM devlap: I'm still seeing numbers I think are high and bad.
11:12 AM gregcnc_: what pc?
11:29 AM gloops: theres a list of PCs and jitters on the webpage somewhere
11:38 AM devlap: Like I said its an i7 Q6600
11:38 AM devlap: maybe thats Core 2
11:40 AM devlap: Theres on one there listing 1000079 4079 30494 5632
11:40 AM CaptHindsight: devlap: kill all power management, speed stepping and virtualization
11:40 AM devlap: There was no power management or speed stepping in the bios
11:40 AM devlap: VTx I turned off.
11:41 AM CaptHindsight: devlap: yeah some BIOSes don't have that option so they can be a poor choice for LCNC
11:42 AM CaptHindsight: the manufacturers remove those options from the user to make support simpler
11:43 AM Strum: ok found a couple of motors that seem to run ok
11:43 AM Strum: progress
11:52 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:52 AM Strum: wb IchGucksLive
11:53 AM Strum: tried some differnt motors, they are running better
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
11:53 AM devlap: yea i already was here
11:53 AM Strum: tweaked the trimpots on the drivers a bit
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, i run all mashines on fujitsu siemens P5915
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, the asus p5b is a hammering board
11:54 AM Strum: ok who's got g=code music to play on steppers?
11:55 AM devlap: p5b?
11:55 AM Strum: imperial march?
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, constant lower then 3000
11:55 AM devlap: oh lga775
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, Core2Duo E6600
11:55 AM devlap: yea
11:56 AM devlap: I have a P35-DS3L
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: what jitter do you got
11:56 AM Strum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDtsCp6RQc
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: but as you use mesa no factor
11:58 AM Strum: so what's the min spec machine to run linuxcnc?
11:58 AM Strum: will it run on a p3 800mhz?
11:58 AM SpeedEvil: Strum: maybe.
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: the 10.04 122 RTAI ofcause
11:59 AM SpeedEvil: Strum: Age of machine is less important than predictability of performance, which varies in unpredictable ways
11:59 AM Strum: ok
12:00 PM Strum: the mahcine i'm thinking of is a dell laptop, has native paralell port
12:00 PM lcvette: <IchGucksLive> hey there!
12:00 PM Strum: but i have p4 and core duo desktop parts, but it's a pita finding a full workign machine out of them
12:00 PM lcvette: thanks for your help on the address
12:00 PM SpeedEvil: Laptops are in general bad, but you don't know until you try. (or look it up)
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: Strum, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Fujitsu-Esprimo-P5915-Tower-PC-Windows-Vista-Intel-2-Duo-1-86-1GB-Ram-80GB-HDD/122860094252?hash=item1c9b08432c:g:i-YAAOSwpzdWq2bP
12:00 PM lcvette: got it sorted!
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette, as we speek
12:01 PM gloops: you can get a cheapo XP PC for 20-30 quid
12:01 PM Strum: yeah IchGucksLive, i could probably find something like htat
12:01 PM Strum: have the laptop already though
12:01 PM Strum: livecd you say?
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: Strum, run the livecd on it
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: and see the performence
12:03 PM Strum: yes i'll give it a try in the next few days
12:03 PM Strum: done what i had planned for today, more even
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: Strum, in the middle of winter
12:03 PM Strum: get some g=code, motors wired up to shield, send g-code, see motors move
12:04 PM Strum: good day
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: BYE
12:04 PM Strum: not quite middle of winter yet
12:04 PM Strum: but was cold this morning
12:04 PM Strum: can feel it coming
12:04 PM Strum: 12:30am here
12:04 PM Strum: now
12:04 PM Strum: bed soon
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: Strum, do you got snow at your place
12:04 PM Strum: no
12:05 PM Strum: hardly even get frost
12:05 PM Strum: very cold night might get -2 C
12:05 PM Strum: couple of times a year
12:05 PM Strum: today was about 23 clear skies
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: are you west australia time
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: QANTAS Queensland and Northern Territory
12:09 PM Strum: wa time yeah
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: pcw_home, is there a selftest of the 5i25
12:14 PM devlap: IchGucksLive, Servo Thread 1433819 Max Interval, 435339 Max Jitter, Base Thread is 67979 43017
12:14 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, constant or reset and timelaps to that
12:15 PM devlap: Thats about 5 minutes with glxgears running
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, no USB plugd
12:15 PM devlap: just the board.
12:15 PM devlap: and my mouse /keyboard
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: not a good pc
12:19 PM devlap: I can swap out the motehrboad. You like the P5b
12:19 PM miss0r: The humidity here is killing me
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: i like the fujitsu
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: if coustomrs ask for better then the p5b
12:21 PM lcvette: anythinjg special needed here in the INI file for the 7i92 address?
12:21 PM lcvette: [HOSTMOT2] # **** This is for info only **** # DRIVER0=hm2_eth # BOARD0=7i92
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: no
12:21 PM lcvette: ok sweet! Thanks!!
12:21 PM lcvette: I'm getting ready to try loading it for the first time just crossing my t's and dotting my i's
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette, can you upload your HAL / INI
12:28 PM devlap: alright P5B on its way.
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, price
12:29 PM devlap: 60$ USD
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: SMILE
12:30 PM fragalot: miss0r: I got the pinout
12:31 PM miss0r: fragalot: Good work!
12:31 PM miss0r: if you swing by celle, germany on wensday evening, i'll buy you a schnitzel ;)
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: miss0r, thunderstorm in Denmark
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: miss0r, its over here
12:32 PM fragalot: miss0r: :D
12:32 PM miss0r: IchGucksLive: It should hit here around 21:00
12:32 PM miss0r: fragalot: Spill the beans!
12:33 PM miss0r: IchGucksLive: Looking forward to it, to be honnest. My garden is starting to look like a desert
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=de#m=sat;r=0;t=3;s=0;o=0;b=;n=0;y=55.0856;x=10.0742;z=8;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;
12:33 PM fragalot: miss0r: I've sent you an email
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: fragalot, pinout for ?
12:34 PM fragalot: IchGucksLive: 8pin round mitutoyo connector on a 09AAA030C
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: fragalot, isent it IO Standard
12:35 PM pcw_home: IchGucksLive: theres a loopback test that tests all IO pins (but its DOS only)
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: 3/4 Lamp 1/2 Ph0° 5/6 phase 90 7/8 Ref
12:35 PM miss0r: fragalot: That surely looks like a document that would not have been found online :D
12:36 PM fragalot: IchGucksLive: the connector may be a standard, but the actual pinout seems to be impossible to find; but I managed to get the original manufacturing drawing from mitutoyo :)
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: pcw_home, thanks i got the PC but there is no light at the 5i25 lspci got it insight
12:37 PM pcw_home: theres are not supposed to be any lights
12:37 PM fragalot: miss0r: lol, no :D
12:38 PM miss0r: fragalot: it checks out with the colours i've got. Even the two wires soldered to the same pin, as they were powerfull enough combined to tear the pin from connector and stay soldered together :)
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: pcw_home, isent there a light as 7i76 is connected
12:38 PM * miss0r fires up the soldering iron
12:38 PM miss0r: fragalot: It seems now, I owe you one ;)
12:39 PM fragalot: no you don't :-)
12:39 PM lcvette_: hey guys... i just tried loading up my config and starting linuxcnc for the first time.. but got an error message
12:39 PM pcw_home: no lights on 5I25 is normal 7I76 needs 2 yellow lights (5V and field power) to be ok
12:39 PM skunkworks: lcvette_: what is the error?
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: pcw_home, i will get to the mashine tomorrow
12:39 PM lcvette_: i have it here but its big to post
12:40 PM miss0r: well, if you show up for that schnitzel, i'm still buying ;)
12:40 PM fragalot: lcvette_: post it to pastebin.com
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette_, pastebin.com
12:40 PM lcvette_: duh
12:40 PM fragalot: miss0r: if it were tomorrow i'd have considered that :P
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: miss0r, what town you are in
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: miss0r, germany tomorrow
12:41 PM miss0r: IchGucksLive: Not tomorrow, but wensday. I'll be in celle
12:42 PM lcvette_: https://pastebin.com/jQ1ku5pw
12:43 PM lcvette_: pastebinned
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: miss0r, http://www.bierakademie-celle.de/
12:45 PM ziper: https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/tls/d/leblonde-regal-lathe/6583103827.html
12:46 PM ziper: "Works but gears slip." what did he mean by this
12:46 PM fragalot: broken teeth on the gears, probably
12:46 PM fragalot: so you'll have issues with power feed / threading
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette_, we need the HAL File and the INI not the Error
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette_, there is a HAL file missing vc-pos
12:47 PM lcvette_: ok
12:47 PM lcvette_: one sec
12:47 PM lcvette_: ill paste bin
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette_, take the expirer to 10min
12:48 PM gloops: gears slip - hmm
12:48 PM ziper: for some reason I read "works good" instead of just works
12:48 PM gloops: maybe woodruff keys or whatever locating method is used
12:49 PM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/2kNCvymH
12:49 PM lcvette: thats the INI
12:49 PM ziper: think its worth trying to repair?
12:49 PM gloops: the changewheels are..changeable, and the arbours adjustable for correct meshing, hard to say how the threading gearbox works
12:50 PM fragalot: ziper: are you able to repair gears?
12:50 PM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/t28y4BHt
12:50 PM lcvette: thats the HAL
12:50 PM ziper: maybe?
12:50 PM gregcnc_: ./VMC2.hal:4: Warning: File contains DOS-style line endings.
12:51 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette, realy G64 on a VMC RS274NGC_STARTUP_CODE = g17 g21 g40 g43h0 g54 g64 P 0.01 G80 G90 G94 G97 M5 M9
12:51 PM gloops: see, its different here, youd be able to get the bits local probably - if it needs anything
12:51 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette, G61
12:51 PM fragalot: ziper: leblond does make good lathes, and the price is good, but take your time to lookit over, it looks like it's been sitting outside for quite some time
12:51 PM gregcnc_: i had this crap when editing these files in a winduhs editor
12:51 PM gloops: i dunno where you are, a lot of people in usa complain how hard it is to get hold of stuff
12:51 PM fragalot: rusty ways..
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette, THIS FILE is not in the FOLDER HALFILE = vc-p1as.hal
12:52 PM ziper: would definitely lowball him
12:52 PM gloops: thats only recent fragalot, it will wipe off
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette, >> #HALFILE = vc-p1as.hal
12:52 PM gloops: yeah maybe for $300
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette, just unmark it and restart
12:52 PM fragalot: miss0r: I did the first pour today btw
12:52 PM gloops: but that will go, dont worry
12:52 PM lcvette: ok, making changes
12:53 PM fragalot: miss0r: ... of silicone :P to form a 2mm smooth layer to make the alu inserts stick out, and to make the top surface super smooth.
12:53 PM miss0r: fragalot: Woah! pictures required
12:53 PM miss0r: Damn you
12:53 PM fragalot: :D
12:53 PM gloops: end of the day once it is sorted, youve got a biggish lathe there, 6 ft bed, 13 inch swing
12:53 PM gloops: worth how much?
12:53 PM miss0r: Nice idea... but still a crappy way of sharing it :D
12:53 PM fragalot: haha
12:54 PM fragalot: messy job though if you overfill the cup before vacuuming it
12:54 PM ziper: how much do you think it weighs, 2 tons?
12:54 PM fragalot: switch on pump.. nothing.. oh, a hissing sound *pokes the little valve* OHSHITSTOPOVERFLOWINGNONONONO
12:56 PM gloops: probably less viper
12:56 PM gloops: youd get that on a pick up
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette, i guess the POSTGUI_HALFILE = vc-p1as-postgui.hal is also missing
12:56 PM ziper: even a datsun?
12:56 PM gloops: a datsun???
12:56 PM gloops: well, yeah i reckon so
12:57 PM gloops: couple of trips
12:57 PM fragalot: miss0r: turns out the new car will only be able to tow around 300kg.. I wonder what the technical reason is.
12:58 PM Rab: Load the front half in the Datsun, the suspension will sag until the overhanging end touches the ground. Then you put a skateboard under that end and you're good to go.
12:59 PM lcvette: I am not using his pendant
12:59 PM gloops: trailer would be better
12:59 PM lcvette: i wonder if anything has to do with those files
12:59 PM ziper: dammit the datsun doesnt even run
12:59 PM Rab: gloops, indeed.
01:00 PM miss0r: fragalot: they cheaped out on something :D
01:01 PM fragalot: miss0r: turns out it's the CVT overheating
01:02 PM lcvette: so I just add:
01:02 PM lcvette: #HALFILE = vc-p1as.hal
01:02 PM lcvette: at the end of the hal file
01:02 PM gloops: viper what you want to do is go out all pro like, with micrometer and some feeler gauges stuff like that, go round inspecting the lathe, sigh a lot
01:02 PM gloops: tell him its shagged
01:03 PM ziper: yeah lol
01:03 PM gregcnc_: is it even still available at that price?
01:03 PM fragalot: miss0r: they also lied a bit at the garage,.. "hybrids need less maintenance".. This one needs to go in at 2/3rd of the milage my current one.
01:03 PM fragalot: and my current one isn't a hybrid :P
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette, there is a violation only 1Space line is sugested in the HAL file you got 10 in row
01:03 PM fragalot: </randomRant>
01:04 PM ziper: gregcnc_, its only been up for 2 days
01:04 PM miss0r: fragalot: That is somewhat odd
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: lcvette, querry
01:04 PM gregcnc_: around here, if it was not scrap it would have been sold in hours
01:04 PM miss0r: I'm almost done with, what looked to be my crappyest soldering job in the history of everything
01:04 PM gregcnc_: never mind that the add wasn't taken down
01:05 PM fragalot: miss0r: xD
01:05 PM fragalot: shame you can't grind your way out of that
01:05 PM ziper: gregcnc_, well the assumption is that it is rather scrappy
01:06 PM lcvette: ok fixed so no more than one space in the hal file
01:06 PM miss0r: fragalot: If I didn't know better, that was an offense :P
01:07 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LeBlond-Regal-Lathe-High-Speed-Spindle-Gear/251336758424?
01:08 PM miss0r: fragalot: grinding aside, theres always hot glue :D
01:08 PM gloops: parts for the leblonde may be expensive
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
01:09 PM ziper: this one also looks good https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/bfs/d/usa-13x50-south-bend-metal/6583878880.html
01:10 PM gloops: http://www.lathes.co.uk/regal/page3.html
01:10 PM gloops: good top view of gearbox there
01:10 PM gloops: if you cant get that going you may as well jack
01:14 PM ziper: is swapping the whole gearbox out of the question?
01:15 PM gregcnc_: finding parts would be the issue, it's what 70+ years old?
01:15 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ban-Find-Vintage-Unknown-8ft-long-belt-driven-Lathe-for-parts-spares-etc/372282674436?
01:16 PM gloops: maybe a bit too old..but if its all there, 8 footer
01:19 PM miss0r: fragalot: alright, the plug is back together. That took quite a bit of epoxy :D
01:19 PM miss0r: in other words; this was a one hit wonder. I hope it works
01:21 PM miss0r: And hotsnot :D
01:21 PM miss0r: It now has the pinout of the drawing, no shorts to case, no shorts inbetween ect..
01:21 PM miss0r: I think I'm good :D
01:22 PM gloops: ziper worse case scenario - you need to build the gears up and regrind them, change some bearings, stuff like that
01:22 PM gloops: thats ok if the machine is very cheap
01:22 PM miss0r: lol. if a gearbox is even available/resonably prices
01:22 PM gloops: otherwise youre just buying work
01:23 PM gregcnc_: worst case you have to haul it in for scrap yourself
01:23 PM miss0r: I've never understood peoples fascination with these antique lathes..
01:23 PM gloops: lol, highly unlikely it cannot be restored
01:23 PM miss0r: Well, unless you just own them for the looks, they are not worth much :)
01:24 PM gregcnc_: I don't know what he's using it for, but if it does what he needs i suppose that's enough
01:24 PM gloops: you can do some good work on that lathe miss0r, its mainly about cost i think
01:24 PM gloops: how much for a contemporary 6 foot bed lathe?
01:24 PM miss0r: Sure you can do some work. That is what it is made for :) But accuracy wise, I'm not so sure
01:25 PM miss0r: Also, its quite underpowered compared to newer ones
01:25 PM miss0r: I hope I didn't just pour gasoline on someones fire - The wife will kill me if I don't get back in the house for movie night, just about n... 5 minuts ago :)
01:25 PM gloops: well they made engines on them for long enough
01:26 PM miss0r: fragalot: Thanks again for the drawins, I have to run.
01:26 PM miss0r: See you around
01:26 PM gregcnc_: probably not
01:29 PM gloops: what did they make engines on then gregcnc?
01:29 PM gloops: what did they make that lathe on?
01:29 PM gregcnc_: much sturdier stuff than that
01:30 PM gloops: you wont bend that
01:30 PM gloops: 6 inch square slab of cast
01:30 PM ziper: are you talking about the leblond now or the bard find one
01:31 PM gloops: im talking about the leblonde
01:31 PM Rab: You could also junk the gearbox, put an encoder on the spindle, and retrofit a CNC power feed.
01:31 PM gregcnc_: do you need a 6 foot bed?
01:31 PM gloops: see Rabs got it
01:32 PM ziper: gregcnc_, possibly
01:32 PM ziper: a friend has a boring machine and they might need to do stuff with the shafts
01:32 PM gloops: so long as its straight, centres align, screws arent shot, youll get good accuracy
01:36 PM gregcnc_: have you been checking the auctions?
01:38 PM gloops: i think ill make a celtic cross
01:39 PM hendrik_ is now known as hendrik_cnc
01:43 PM lcvette: <gregcnc_> ./VMC2.hal:4: Warning: File contains DOS-style line endings.
01:43 PM lcvette: what causes that?
01:44 PM lcvette: is it the all caps file name or something?
01:44 PM Strum: should pycam take 3 hours to generate g-code for the example it loads when you first run it?
01:44 PM hendrik_cnc: Hello all
01:45 PM gregcnc_: lcvette did you edit in a windows editor?
01:45 PM Rab: lcvette, http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~krueger/csc209h/tut/line-endings.html
01:45 PM lcvette: yeah, notepad++
01:46 PM gregcnc_: if you open in gedit you'll see them and can fix it
01:46 PM Rab: Most Linux distros include a little utility named fromdos which can change the line endings.
01:47 PM Rab: (Along with its counterpart, todos.)
01:47 PM lcvette: ok i'll go to the machine now and open and look
01:49 PM gloops: hello hendrik_cnc
01:49 PM hendrik_cnc: Now have wifi on my machine, this was hard work :p
01:52 PM lcvette_: i don't see gedit in my list of options
01:52 PM lcvette_: to open but i used it through the terminal and did an apt get install
01:52 PM lcvette_: previously
01:52 PM gregcnc_: i right click, open, then display
01:53 PM lcvette_: yeah thats what i did, no gedit there
01:54 PM hendrik_cnc: are u sure that u installed gedit correct?
01:55 PM lcvette_: sudo apt-get install gedit
01:55 PM hendrik_cnc: and the log says that it was correctly installed?
01:56 PM hendrik_cnc: try maybe: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gedit
01:56 PM lcvette_: yeah tried again and it sys gedit is already the newest version
01:57 PM hendrik_cnc: than just navigate to your folder
01:57 PM hendrik_cnc: cd ~/linuxcnc/yourmachinename/
01:57 PM lcvette_: 3.22.0-2
01:57 PM hendrik_cnc: gedit yourmachinename.hal
01:58 PM lcvette_: oh in the terminal
01:59 PM lcvette_: opened a blank screen
01:59 PM lcvette_: maybe nano?
02:00 PM hendrik_cnc: would say wrong filename_
02:00 PM lcvette_: maybeneeds complete path
02:00 PM hendrik_cnc: normally not.
02:02 PM lcvette_: that was it
02:02 PM lcvette_: opened right up
02:02 PM lcvette_: lol
02:04 PM lcvette_: but i dont see anything different
02:07 PM lcvette_: do i just need to save it from inside the gedit for the fix?
02:07 PM hendrik_cnc: yes
02:10 PM JT-Shop: lcvette: did you reload the file after editing it?
02:11 PM lcvette_: no, fixing the dos error as the last repair
02:16 PM JT-Shop: ah ok, just so you know if you edit a file you have to reload it or you get the old file
02:17 PM lcvette_: reload it?
02:20 PM ChanServ changed topic of #linuxcnc to: LinuxCNC is a linux-based open-source CNC control. | Latest release: 2.7.13 | http://www.linuxcnc.org
02:23 PM * Tom_L feels he was late to the party
02:23 PM JT-Shop: yes, if you have a file loaded into LinuxCNC and you edit it you have to press the reload button in Axis after saving it in your text editor
02:24 PM Tom_L: notepad++ in windows is a fine editor for this, that wouldn't cause the line ending error
02:24 PM Tom_L: the error is likely something above that line
02:25 PM Tom_L: but since you're running it on linux you may as well get used to their editors
02:26 PM lcvette_: just hard to edit on a vmc vertical panel
02:26 PM lcvette_: lol
02:26 PM Tom_L: vi, pico, nano, gedit, pluma, or any of probably a hundred more
02:26 PM XXCoder: or very newpad. they recently fixed it
02:26 PM lcvette_: much easier to make mistakes
02:26 PM XXCoder: notepad*(
02:27 PM Tom_L: i use programmer's notepad or notepad ++ on windows usually
02:27 PM hendrik_cnc: vim! ;-)
02:28 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, desktop icon for the mill on debian 9 won't launch
02:28 PM lcvette_: ok, dos error is still there
02:28 PM Tom_L: any ideas?
02:28 PM lcvette_: other issues are gone but new error arouse
02:28 PM Tom_L: what line?
02:28 PM Tom_L: it's likely something else
02:28 PM lcvette_: im binning it
02:28 PM lcvette_: one moment
02:28 PM Rab: I don't always use Windows. But when I go, I use gVim, and it's great.
02:29 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: why not?
02:29 PM Tom_L: you tell me :D
02:29 PM Tom_L: i created the icon with linuxcnc for my mill
02:29 PM Tom_L: but it just sits there lookin dumb back at me
02:30 PM JT-Shop: lcvette: did you save the file with Unix/Linux line endings in Gedit?
02:30 PM JT-Shop: copy the command and test in the command window
02:30 PM Tom_L: it works in a window
02:31 PM Tom_L: i'll fiddle with it later
02:32 PM Tom_L: no time right now really
02:32 PM lcvette_: https://pastebin.com/u7KgGTcp
02:33 PM Tom_L: i think it found something in the hm2 it didn't like
02:34 PM lcvette_: https://pastebin.com/QnNwE2Yn
02:34 PM lcvette_: hal file
02:34 PM Tom_L: what's on hal line 74?
02:34 PM Tom_L: woops
02:34 PM Tom_L: check 74
02:35 PM Tom_L: did you ask vanna for a vowel?
02:37 PM lcvette_: blowing kisses to the IRC for all the help!!
02:37 PM lcvette_: lol
02:37 PM lcvette_: geeeez
02:37 PM * JT-Shop needs a 9v connector and can't find any broken junk with one he can rob
02:37 PM lcvette_: why editing on a vertical panel is dangerous
02:41 PM lcvette_: ok so whats up with the reload?
02:42 PM lcvette_: after editing a file?
02:43 PM Tom_L: editing what file?
02:43 PM Tom_L: i restart linuxcnc after editing the config
02:43 PM lcvette_: ini and hal
02:43 PM lcvette_: ok
02:43 PM Tom_L: i'm not aware of a reload command but that doesn't mean there isn't one
02:44 PM lcvette_: do i need to restart the boards too?
02:44 PM Tom_L: no
02:44 PM lcvette_: ok
02:44 PM Tom_L: only if you change the bit file
02:46 PM lcvette_: ound an error! The following information may be useful in troubleshooting: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/gmoccapy", line 102, in <module> from gmoccapy import player # a class to handle sounds File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gmoccapy/player.py", line 27, in <module> import gst ImportError: No module named gst
02:46 PM lcvette_: diffrent kind of error message now
02:46 PM Tom_L: you're using a touch screen?
02:46 PM Tom_L: can't help with that
02:47 PM lcvette_: yes
02:48 PM Tom_L: why the heck would it be calling a sound file
02:48 PM lcvette_: uh oh
02:48 PM lcvette_: im guessing this isn't in my ini file?
02:48 PM fragalot: your python installation is missing the "gst" module
02:48 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure
02:48 PM Tom_L: ^^
02:49 PM Tom_L: apt-get install gst whaever
02:49 PM lcvette_: i see
02:49 PM Tom_L: or use the synaptic package manager
02:49 PM lcvette_: ok
02:49 PM Tom_L: or just tell it to shut up
02:50 PM lcvette_: lol
02:57 PM Strum: are USB parallel port adpators worth trying
02:57 PM Strum: ?
02:57 PM lcvette_: wait, i think i might have this one....
02:57 PM Rab: Strum, no.
02:57 PM Strum: thought not
02:57 PM Strum: what about pcmcia card for laptops?
02:57 PM lcvette_: i tink its in the hal or ini
02:57 PM Strum: that should go ok ?
02:57 PM lcvette_: its specifying the path to that file using his path not mine
02:57 PM Rab: Strum, maybe, if it's a native parallel port. Some cards are USB-to-LPT internally.
02:58 PM Strum: not pcmcia
02:58 PM Strum: that's straight into the pco bus
02:58 PM Strum: pci
02:59 PM rmu: pcmcia is ISA
02:59 PM rmu: IIRC
03:00 PM Strum: this laptop has pcexpress card slot
03:00 PM Strum: worked alright for firewire
03:00 PM Strum: old laptops have pcmcia
03:00 PM Strum: they are cheap
03:01 PM rmu: pcexpress also has USB lines, so pcexpress parallel card probably is usb to parallel internally
03:01 PM Strum: $20, try it and see
03:02 PM rmu: you have one parallel port?
03:02 PM Strum: none on a running machine
03:02 PM Strum: oh sorry
03:02 PM gregcnc_: does the latop have decent latency to be worth bothering with?
03:02 PM Strum: p3 800 laptop has native parallel
03:02 PM Strum: but it's old and slow
03:03 PM Strum: this laptop is i7
03:03 PM Strum: runs audio apps
03:03 PM gregcnc_: i run a p3 900
03:03 PM Strum: oh ok
03:03 PM rmu: with laptops usually all kinds of thermal and power management interfere and you don't get decent latency
03:04 PM Strum: this old dell ran 24/7 for best part of 10 years as my router
03:05 PM Rab: Yeah, try latency test with and without both the battery and charger. You may get different numbers.
03:05 PM Strum: wouldn't have though a machine control was much of a processing load
03:05 PM Rab: And turn off all power mgmt.
03:05 PM Strum: battery?
03:05 PM Strum: long dead
03:05 PM Strum: runs for 20mins maybe
03:06 PM rmu: Strum: the processing power is not the problem, even a raspberry pi is plenty for it, the problem is consistent timing between runs of the control loop
03:06 PM Rab: Then best to remove it. The BIOS may be trying to charge or check up on the battery periodically, which can introduce a delay.
03:07 PM Strum: what sort of latency are we talking about?
03:08 PM rmu: if you want to generate steps for a stepper, maximum jitter should be in the ballpark of 10µs, depending on stepper rate
03:11 PM rmu: (or less)
03:14 PM Strum: well in that case wouldn't a microcontroller running a real time kernel be better?
03:15 PM Strum: like an stm32 and some rtos
03:16 PM gregcnc_: many linuxnc parport machines running with jitter less than 25us
03:18 PM Rab: Strum, indeed. And many such platforms exist. But there are other advantages to a PC-based machine control, especially for a hobbyist who only has a PC.
03:19 PM Strum: stm32 is way cheaper and smaller and uses so much less power
03:19 PM Strum: this is why i went with grbl shield and arduino
03:19 PM rmu: Strum: you could get a mesa 7i90, that generates steps in an external FPGA, the PC only has to manage latency for the 1khz control loop
03:20 PM rmu: and connect it via parallel port / EPP
03:21 PM Strum: but why the need for the pc at all, can't you just upload g-code to to from a sdcard?
03:22 PM Strum: lcd text display would be all it needed
03:22 PM Strum: few buttons
03:22 PM Rab: Strum, perhaps that's not a good workflow for some applications.
03:23 PM gregcnc_: to simnply execute code, sure, but most machines need much more than that
03:23 PM gloops: and most users
03:24 PM pcw_mesa: For something simple like a router a uC may sometimes be a better choice, but for a real machine tool,
03:24 PM pcw_mesa: its hard to beat a PC where you have basically unlimited floating point processing power in real time
03:25 PM Rab: Instead of messing with removable storage, I'd rather download my code over the network. Or even have the CAM toolchain on the controller, to tweak the job as needed. Rather than a text display, I'd prefer an interactive console which allows me to preview, monitor, and modify the toolpath as the job is executed.
03:26 PM pcw_mesa: so things like complex kinematics or spindle synchronized motion are possible and easier to implement without the artificial constraints of a uC
03:26 PM Rab: Which is not to say that an embedded controller with a character display executing jobs from an SD card is a bad workflow...for some scenarios.
03:36 PM rmu: last I looked, GRBL had some strange pulse timings when doing simultanous moves, maybe that got fixed with AMASS, but it didn't seem optimal
03:38 PM rmu: that will not matter for wood
03:38 PM rmu: or machines that are not rigid
03:45 PM gloops: lol, when you look on etsy and pinterest at some of the insane stuff people buy
03:45 PM gloops: wth is a 'garden spirit stick'
03:46 PM XXCoder: dilio you hide in yard ;)
03:46 PM Rab: gloops, since you asked: http://www.gardenspiritsticks.com/myth.shtml
03:47 PM SpeedEvil: Something to prop your booze on
03:48 PM gloops: hmm, well i dont know, maybe some placebo effect
03:48 PM gloops: positive vibes get positive vibes
03:48 PM XXCoder: likely
03:49 PM gloops: what we need is a garage spirit stick
03:49 PM MarcelineVQ: People pay good money for horseshit, the smellier it is the more you can charge
03:50 PM gloops: yes, theyre buying crystals a lot
03:50 PM MarcelineVQ: Apply this useful fact to your everyday life. give your product an amusing story
03:51 PM gloops: you could make literally anything up, nobody will ever check
03:51 PM gloops: nobody CAN check
03:51 PM XXCoder: there ws epoxy/alum chips design that supposely cleaneseyard or some shit like that
03:52 PM XXCoder: funny thing alum chips and epoxy didnt exist till comprately recently lol
03:54 PM gregcnc_: horse shit is free around here
03:54 PM gloops: 'as used by the druids of old normandy'
03:56 PM XXCoder: both kinds of hgorseshit is free there eh heh
04:09 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssaYktaIrTY
04:09 PM XXCoder: murderbowl!
04:12 PM gregcnc_: didn't bother planning the volume?
04:12 PM XXCoder: he screwed up the math
04:12 PM XXCoder: second part video its pretty amazing so far
04:17 PM gloops: prefer to brush first few coats of silicone on, can get hardly any bubbles on mold surface like that without degassing
04:21 PM CaptHindsight: free horseshit, where?
04:21 PM CaptHindsight: call it organic recycled material and make $$
04:22 PM Deejay: gn8
04:25 PM XXCoder: if someone invented a way to turn figurative horseshit to actual horseshit, that person would make all the money :P
04:25 PM XXCoder: because internet is full of figurative horseshit
04:28 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/applications-processors/i.mx-applications-processors/i.mx-8-processors/i.mx-8-family-arm-cortex-a53-cortex-a72-virtualization-vision-3d-graphics-4k-video:i.MX8
04:28 PM gloops: they do, newspaper journalists, politicians
04:29 PM CaptHindsight: multiple ARM cores with a decent GPU for HD displays and 2 yes sir 2 integrated microntrollers
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: machinekit this https://www.variscite.com/compare-products/?c=4114 $65
04:37 PM pcw_mesa: NXP has had similar products before (I think some of the IMX6 chips also have a real time co-processor)
04:57 PM Loetmichel: re from the local quadcopter "convention". 160km 2 times for a few hours "Lithium talk" and a wild boar for dinner. :-) And on the way to the meeting i was nearly washed off the street. 4" high and 15' wide "creeks" across the street and you could only drive 25mph at times with the wipers at full blast because of visibility in that rain/hailstorm mix... on the positive side: all the pollen
04:57 PM Loetmichel: on the car are gone now... the convertible is now squeaky clean. ;-)
05:07 PM CaptHindsight: I just figured that the machinekit devs had some deal with TI
05:07 PM CaptHindsight: the BBB never made sense to me unless you had the GUI on a different processor
05:07 PM gregcnc_: SpaceX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYJWeK-kVB0
05:08 PM CaptHindsight: maybe they thought that Mali would eventually be opened
05:10 PM CaptHindsight: pcw_mesa: I just checked and the only imx6 that had the cortex-M4F coprocessor only has one (1) cortex a9 core :(
05:11 PM CaptHindsight: a dual A9 with M4F coprocessor would have been nice since they also have the open source Vivante GPU
05:12 PM pcw_mesa: Thats nice
05:12 PM CaptHindsight: imx7 has 2 A7 cores and a M4 coprocessor https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/applications-processors/i.mx-applications-processors/i.mx-7-processors/i.mx-7dual-processors-heterogeneous-processing-with-dual-arm-cortex-a7-cores-and-cortex-m4-core:i.MX7D
05:13 PM CaptHindsight: but no GPU :(
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: the imx7 with a GPU only has a single Cortex-A7 :(
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: the price of the imx8 is similar to a low end dual core x86 cpu and board
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: I guess if you really hate x86 with LCNC an imx8 could be what you want
05:17 PM emc is now known as JT-Shop-2
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.variscite.com/compare-products/?c=4114,1075,7330
05:21 PM CaptHindsight: the two boards on the left have 2 uC cores in addition to the 2x Cortex™-A72 + 4x Cortex™-A53 plus Vivante GPU and up to 8GB of DDR4
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: I bet you that nobody will port LCNC to them or machinekit
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: I JUST DARE YOU !!
05:27 PM CaptHindsight: in fact here is a tool chain builder WITHOUT ANY MAGIC to get you started https://github.com/NTULINUX/toolchain_builder
05:32 PM lcvette: hey all, ivebeen poking about trying to fix what i can but stumped with whats left...
05:33 PM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/8TJ1BN5W
05:34 PM lcvette: i have a bunch of files he sent and i had to fix several paths different from his ini file to mine
05:34 PM lcvette: and that cured alot
05:34 PM lcvette: and i see a folder that has some NGC files
05:34 PM CaptHindsight: sorry wrong link: https://github.com/NTULINUX/clfs-arm64
05:41 PM Tom_L: ngc files are probably sample files
05:42 PM lcvette: he has some stuff for the ATC
05:42 PM Tom_L: yeah
05:42 PM Tom_L: for orienting the spindle etc
05:42 PM lcvette: im guessing thats what this is for
05:42 PM Tom_L: probably
05:43 PM Tom_L: how did you install linuxcnc?
05:43 PM lcvette: are macros supposed to be in the NC_Files
05:44 PM Tom_L: i don't remembe
05:44 PM Tom_L: r
05:44 PM lcvette: usb
05:44 PM lcvette: preempt rt stretch
05:44 PM Tom_L: what method though.. did you build it?
05:44 PM lcvette: me build it?
05:44 PM Tom_L: or from the test iso site
05:44 PM lcvette: downloaded
05:45 PM lcvette: put on usb
05:45 PM lcvette: no building
05:45 PM Tom_L: still stuff missing with the graphical interface it appears
05:46 PM lcvette: yeah
05:46 PM lcvette: im not sure what im spposed to do there
05:46 PM Tom_L: i'm not familiar with gmoccapy
05:46 PM lcvette: sudo apt-get missing shit
05:46 PM lcvette: lol
05:46 PM Tom_L: someone here will be
05:47 PM lcvette: to behonest im not crazy about gmoc
05:47 PM Tom_L: so why are you using it?
05:47 PM lcvette: but im kinda stuck with it i guess
05:47 PM lcvette: at least for now
05:47 PM Tom_L: you want the touch screen part right?
05:48 PM lcvette: yes
05:48 PM lcvette: i like touchy
05:48 PM lcvette: big buttons
05:48 PM lcvette: lol
05:48 PM Tom_L: so use it
05:48 PM lcvette: it wont mess up the files i have?
05:48 PM Tom_L: you know how to make a backup ehh?
05:49 PM lcvette: nope
05:49 PM Tom_L: copy it all to a thumb drive
05:49 PM lcvette: oh yeah
05:52 PM lcvette: done
05:52 PM lcvette: copied
05:53 PM lcvette: so do i just change the file header where it says gmoccapy
05:53 PM lcvette: to axis or touchy
05:53 PM lcvette: or whatever
05:54 PM Tom_L: axis isn't touch screen
05:55 PM Tom_L: but that's what i use
05:55 PM lcvette: maybe i should try that
05:55 PM lcvette: AXIS
05:55 PM lcvette: all cps?
05:57 PM lcvette: ok, well the good news, that got rid of the error messege
05:58 PM lcvette: but i still have the debug issue
05:59 PM Tom_L: what debug issue?
06:00 PM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/8TJ1BN5W
06:00 PM lcvette: https://pastebin.com/iPzj07Kq
06:00 PM Tom_L: you didn't switch to axis
06:00 PM lcvette: last one was with axis
06:01 PM lcvette: sorry
06:01 PM Tom_L: paste a new one each time
06:05 PM Lcvette_: Join
07:51 PM tiwake: guiz
07:51 PM tiwake: I got a hardinge CHNC shipped in two days ago \o/
07:51 PM tiwake: needs the controller for it
07:52 PM tiwake: but yeah... super excited
07:52 PM tiwake: its going to sit on the shop floor for a while though, cause I gotta get a house first
08:01 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/stepper-motors-CNC-projects/202307508315?
08:01 PM gloops: just the job for that desktop hexapod
08:20 PM Lcvette: Join
08:24 PM Tom_L: jthornton, the launcher is working now that i have hardware connected to it
08:40 PM gregcnc_: tiwake that has the horizontal turret?
08:42 PM tiwake: gregcnc_: yeah
08:42 PM gregcnc_: are the servo there or not control at all?
08:43 PM tiwake: there are servos but the machine is still wrapped up from being shipped
08:44 PM Tom_L: what about drivers?
08:44 PM tiwake: donno
08:44 PM tiwake: I have not opened the "packaging to really look at it
08:48 PM Tom_L: we need a build goin on here at all times... get it unwrapped :)
09:06 PM tiwake: Tom_L: I need money, I also need a house first
09:07 PM tiwake: house is more important than machine
09:08 PM roycroft: if you get a machine you can machine a house
09:09 PM roycroft: of course, if you get a house you can house a machine
09:09 PM roycroft: so either approach works
09:10 PM tiwake: the machine is sitting at work and will probably stay there until I build my own machine shop
10:27 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Evening linuxcnc ;)
10:28 PM tiwake: beachbumpeteANDR: got my hardinge CHNC a couple days ago
10:28 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Oh sweet
10:28 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Those are beautiful machines
10:30 PM tiwake: beachbumpeteANDR: yeah... though its going to sit for a while until I get my own house
10:30 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Aw well at least you got one
10:31 PM tiwake: in the next couple months hopefully
10:34 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Had my first guitar lesson on Tuesday. So the journey begins ;)
10:35 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Our HAAS VF4 is supposed to be here by Thursday of next week.
10:36 PM beachbumpeteANDR: And the CNC 5x12 router shortly thereafter
10:36 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Things gonna get real interesting real soon.
10:37 PM tiwake: beachbumpeteANDR: this machine is the first CNC machine in the shop that I work in... and its not even functional (need to build a controller for it)
10:38 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Oh ok you are an all manual shop then nice.
10:38 PM Tom_L: beachbumpeteANDR, workin on any new parts?
10:39 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Hey tom
10:39 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Yeah always working on something hehe
10:40 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Right now still working on that Damn guitar body model and started a custom target stock design also working on a neat metal product for my business
10:41 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Work has been crazy lately with all the getting ready for deliveries and I have been doin a lot of CAD drawing for them
10:42 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Lots of cabinets and trim designs and we are getting ready to design a big conference table
10:42 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Haven't actually touched a piece of wood for weeks in the shop
10:43 PM beachbumpeteANDR: What are you Working on?
10:43 PM CaptHindsight: is that because it's a metal shop? :p
10:43 PM Tom_L: not much, i've got an ethernet card i did my mill config for tonight
10:44 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Nice
10:44 PM CaptHindsight: tiwake: was it a working CHNC until they sold it?
10:44 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Trying to source some pretty cream colored lacquer paint for my Fender Stratocaster build.
10:44 PM Tom_L: been kinda busy with other stuff to do much milling
10:45 PM Tom_L: i've seen some old restored cars those colors
10:45 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight: no... they bought it as a project many moons ago and it sat in their shop... I got it from them to actually do it
10:46 PM CaptHindsight: tiwake: so mostly just wiring and controls to do
10:46 PM beachbumpeteANDR: They actually make some like that and its beautiful man. I want to copy it as close As I can
10:46 PM Tom_L: vintage colors are hard to beat on some things
10:46 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight: as far as I can tell... I have not unwrapped it, and won't until I get a house (a few months from now)
10:47 PM beachbumpeteANDR: They make a pastel green that looks very cool too but I like the off white better
10:47 PM tiwake: beachbumpeteANDR: I'll probably strip the paint off of it and repaint it too
10:47 PM tiwake: we have a large walk-in sand blaster here at the shop
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: furniture lacquer
10:48 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I bought some dies for my Ibanez JEM build for the tiger stripe maple top.
10:48 PM tiwake: and a couple nicer small ones
10:48 PM Tom_L: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/38/b2/59/38b259ab6f91d5139b3be5572ef66b7c--paint-color-chart-color-charts.jpg
10:48 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Automotive paints are crazy expensive
10:49 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Tiwake..nice
10:49 PM roycroft: they definitely can be
10:49 PM roycroft: but you don't need much to paint a car
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: you're paying the the color and finish match with automotive
10:49 PM tiwake: ennnnh
10:49 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Furniture lacquer with many coats of clear and then wetland and buff is how they generally do it.
10:50 PM tiwake: automotive painting is also a lot more precise than painting other things
10:50 PM Tom_L: you could use polyester and buff it
10:50 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Yeah I have painted a few cars and bikes
10:50 PM Tom_L: it's a mess to spray though
10:51 PM beachbumpeteANDR: No I like the lacquer better
10:51 PM roycroft: i avoid polyurethane finishes whenever possible
10:51 PM roycroft: they cannot be repaired/touched up
10:51 PM Tom_L: have fun spraying laquer in your climate :)
10:52 PM CaptHindsight: slow thinner
10:52 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Been really enjoying playing with this strat copy and guitar rig 5 on my laptop
10:52 PM roycroft: the humidity is a problem
10:52 PM roycroft: lacquer tends to blush when shot in high humidity
10:52 PM beachbumpeteANDR: We do it every day at the shop here
10:53 PM roycroft: i'm sure your shop has plenty of experience with it :)
10:54 PM Tom_L: i've worn out a couple guns spraying but not anymore
10:54 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I used to spray all my own cabinets and whatever else
10:54 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I also sprayed in the shops in TN when they needed help
10:55 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Musta sprayed thousands of gallons of product over the years hehe
10:55 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I like lacquer the best actually.
10:55 PM jdh: that explains it.
10:56 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Conversion varnish is okay too
10:56 PM roycroft: if i had a favorite finish, it would probably be shellac
10:56 PM Tom_L: urethane isn't bad to spray but not too easy to recoat
10:56 PM roycroft: but i use a mix of finishes, generally multiple products on any given piece
10:58 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I'm more concerned with cutting and buffing the guitar due to the odd shapes
10:59 PM roycroft: the problem with urethane is that once it cures it will not bond to anything else, including more of itself
10:59 PM roycroft: so you can't repair it
10:59 PM roycroft: you have to remove it completely and start over
10:59 PM roycroft: that's in large part why it's so durable
11:00 PM roycroft: lacquer will bond to cured lacquer
11:00 PM roycroft: shellac the same
11:00 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Never cared for poly really but some of these diy guitar guys do wipe on poly finishes and buff em out they look really good
11:01 PM Tom_L: beachbumpeteANDR, where do you guys get your finish
11:01 PM Tom_L: we used to get ours out of dallas but they got bought out by mohawk
11:01 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I think I will tru oil the neck and lacquer the body
11:02 PM jdh: did you make the neck?
11:02 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Mohawk and a few others from local suppliers
11:03 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Jdh no I wish.. I am redoing a basket case strat I Bought at a yard sale
11:03 PM beachbumpeteANDR: And I am building the Ibanez JEM from a kit
11:03 PM beachbumpeteANDR: But I am working on a CNC Ibanez JEM style body for the VMC
11:04 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Watched a few videos of guys making their necks with CNC. It looks doable
11:05 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Never thought I would enjoy guitars this much but they are so cool really.
11:07 PM jdh: yeah, too bad I cant play
11:08 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I can't play either but I am trying
11:08 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Just starte lessons with a pro teacher on Tuesday
11:08 PM jdh: I tried that for a while
11:11 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Looking forward to playing with the 3D SLA printer when it gets here. Gonna be interesting
11:11 PM Tom_L: i've got a friend that owns the 2nd one of these: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sPtfwe3-5S4/hqdefault.jpg
11:12 PM Tom_L: Mark Wood has the first one
11:12 PM jdh: THE mark wood?
11:12 PM Tom_L: yes
11:12 PM Tom_L: they're good friends
11:12 PM jdh: who's mark wood
11:13 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Oh sweet an electric violin
11:13 PM Tom_L: trans-syberian orchestra
11:13 PM Tom_L: not just a violin
11:13 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Soke guys lake those diy
11:13 PM Tom_L: 6 string
11:13 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Make
11:13 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Wierd
11:14 PM roycroft: we have a great luthier (and musician) here in eugene who makes electric violins - david burham
11:14 PM roycroft: https://www.dbcv.com
11:14 PM roycroft: he makes incredible instruments
11:15 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Look great
11:15 PM roycroft: really nice guy, too
11:15 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Well I better get ta bed. Have a good night folks.
11:16 PM roycroft: ciao
11:16 PM Tom_itx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka0a9HSNs_Y