#linuxcnc Logs
May 08 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:28 AM fragalot: Hi.
04:01 AM dave__ is now known as gloops
04:02 AM gloops: hmm, no new builders in here atm
04:26 AM XXCoder: boo
05:01 AM XXCoder: I got silly idea
05:02 AM XXCoder: constant width tires vicycle
05:02 AM XXCoder: ah lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeOS9pG6vjU
05:28 AM Tom_L: gloops, time for you to start another project?
05:30 AM XXCoder: projectiption!
05:38 AM gloops: Tom_L not a prayer right now
05:39 AM jthornton: morning
05:39 AM gloops: im just fitting the dust extractor to the z axis, nearly done, ive got 3 other manual machines to get up and running before i do anything else after this
05:39 AM XXCoder: yo
05:40 AM gloops: howdy
05:41 AM gloops: i was looking at a way of fitting the nozzle so i cn still twist it, it does however stick to the pipe itself when the extractor is working, i might just leave it at that, i can always get in then if any blockages
05:45 AM gloops: although that runs the risk of it falling off into the cutter, nah
05:45 AM Aztec03 is now known as Panoptes
06:10 AM jthornton: found my BMP280\
06:11 AM XXCoder: good good now fin my lost million dollar there
06:11 AM XXCoder: *find
06:11 AM jthornton: if I find it then it has my name on it lol
06:11 AM XXCoder: not when it already has mine on it
06:13 AM XXCoder: man
06:13 AM XXCoder: its really boring at work sometimes lol
06:25 AM jthornton: finally found a bmp280 library for python
06:26 AM jthornton: now to solder on some wires
06:43 AM Beachbumpete1: Morning LinuxCNC :) Happy Tuesday!
06:52 AM jthornton: morning Pete
06:53 AM Beachbumpete1: Hey JT
07:49 AM dave__ is now known as gloops
07:50 AM gloops: hmm, another fairly successful job done, dust pipe sucks about 90% of stuff from the cutter
07:54 AM HighInBC: nice
07:55 AM gloops: doesnt clean the slot in mdf out though, still my hopes werent really high for that happening
08:17 AM CaptHindsight: .weather
08:17 AM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - North Pole, AK, US: Partly Cloudy, 2°C (35°F), Humidity: 59%, Gentle breeze 4.9m/s (←)
08:17 AM CaptHindsight: oops
08:18 AM gregcnc_: you gave away the secret lair
08:23 AM CaptHindsight: and some channels even ban logging
08:35 AM skunkworks: .money
08:35 AM skunkworks: .time
08:35 AM theCockerel: 2018-05-08 - 13:34:02
08:35 AM skunkworks: .help
08:35 AM theCockerel: Hang on, I'm creating a list.
08:35 AM theCockerel: I've posted a list of my commands at https://ptpb.pw/sriB - You can see more info about any of these commands by doing .help <command> (e.g. .help time)
08:43 AM hazzy-dev: .weather
08:43 AM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Atlanta, GA, US: Sunny, 18°C (64°F), Humidity: 75%, Moderate breeze 6.3m/s (←)
08:44 AM hazzy-dev: wrong, humidity feels more like 110%, supersaturated :D
09:25 AM hazzy-dev: Have I mentioned that AT&T service sucks?
09:25 AM hazzy-dev: Internet was down yesterday, business phone line is down today
09:29 AM mtpocketscnc: morning. another nice day in wisconsin. how is everyone?
09:34 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
09:34 AM IchGucksLive: what a summer day here in germany
09:34 AM IchGucksLive: we nearly hit the 30Deg C
09:35 AM mtpocketscnc: hi IchGucksLive. nice here in wisconsin too :)
09:35 AM IchGucksLive: lots of farm land in WI
09:35 AM IchGucksLive: is the Corn already planted in the fields
09:37 AM IchGucksLive: we planted near 100 acre
09:37 AM IchGucksLive: today ofcause
09:41 AM mtpocketscnc: planting is going on now
09:41 AM mtpocketscnc: soon it will be the land of corn fields :)
09:44 AM mtpocketscnc: only bummer about it is that the small guy is having harder and harder time doing it. big commercial farms are taking over putting the little guy out of work
09:45 AM IchGucksLive: Soja is also big in WI
09:47 AM mtpocketscnc: guess I'm not sure what soja is
09:48 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, the soja beans
09:48 AM mtpocketscnc: not a farmer myself. grandparents were but went out of buisness long ago
09:49 AM mtpocketscnc: ah ic. soy beans (what we call em)
09:52 AM mozmck: .weather
09:52 AM theCockerel: I don't know where you live. Give me a location, like .weather London, or tell me where you live by saying .setlocation London, for example.
09:52 AM mtpocketscnc: I think the biggest ones here are corn, soybeans, cabbage (in some areas), and also potatoes (also only in some areas).
09:53 AM mozmck: .weather Dallas, TX
09:53 AM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Dallas, TX, US: Partly Cloudy, 23°C (73°F), Humidity: 59%, Fresh breeze 8.0m/s (↑)
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: hi jerryq
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: .weather Zweibrücken,Germany
09:58 AM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Zweibrucken, RP, DE: Sunny, 25°C (77°F), Humidity: 24%, Moderate breeze 6.3m/s (←)
09:59 AM mozmck: It was 35.5 C here yesterday!
10:04 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
10:10 AM Rab: https://austin.craigslist.org/tls/d/custom-built-cnc-milling/6572294801.html
10:10 AM Rab: hmmmm
10:12 AM Rab: Looks like this is the same person: https://austin.craigslist.org/ele/d/cnc-kit-electronics-ball/6578341687.html
10:14 AM Rab: Deluxe pillow block bearings on that "heavy mill spindle"!
10:14 AM gregcnc_: fill a warehouse with those....profit
10:25 AM rmu: I'm not an english native speaker, but this does not mean what it is supposed to IMHO: "Reasonable offers excepted."
10:27 AM CaptHindsight: makerslide
10:28 AM CaptHindsight: you know if we could just convince Haas or Mazak to just use these sorts of parts vs what works we could all have more affordable CNC machines
10:30 AM CaptHindsight: everyone knows that they could just use a $30 *duino instead of those crazy $10k or more cnc controllers with all those buttons
10:36 AM cradek: rmu: yes he meant "accepted" - for at least some english speakers they sound the same, so they get confused
10:41 AM rmu: isn't it funny how there are no real rules how to pronounce english words
10:45 AM roycroft: so, have any of you converted your one and only manual milling machine to cnc?
10:45 AM roycroft: and if so, does it ever get in the way of quick operations?
10:45 AM CaptHindsight: well there are but then you might sound pompous :)
10:46 AM roycroft: i'm getting to a point where i really need a cnc mill, and want to finish the conversion of my mill-drill, but i have concerns that for simple things like drilling/tapping four holes it might be more of a hassle to use a cnc mill than a manual mill
10:46 AM roycroft: i'm wondering if i should try to make space for a second milling machine
10:47 AM CaptHindsight: roycroft: have you seen any lower cost drum type roasters? small, maybe holds a few hundred grams of beans
10:47 AM roycroft: which i've considered anyway, since i need to perform a number of milling operations to convert the current machine to cnc, and all the disassembly/reassembly to do that stuff would seriously affect the project build timeline
10:48 AM roycroft: i looked at the low-end roasters a few years ago
10:48 AM roycroft: my impression was that for $350-$500 one could get a pretty nice roaster for small quantities
10:48 AM roycroft: my concern was that for any size roaster, ventilation is a major issue
10:49 AM roycroft: and since there are a dozen or more coffee roasters in eugehe, most of which are very good, it was not worth it for me to set up a ventilation system to handle home roasting
10:50 AM roycroft: keep in mind that you're not going to "fresh roast" every day for your daily coffee
10:50 AM roycroft: that would be a very bad idea
10:50 AM roycroft: coffee beans need a rest period after roasting
10:51 AM roycroft: peak flavor is on day four after roasting, but they hold that flavor for several days after that
10:51 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLORqGNaId8
10:51 AM roycroft: i'd say that between day four and day ten there's not much difference
10:51 AM cradek: roycroft: maybe you want a drill press instead?
10:52 AM roycroft: i have a couple drill presses
10:52 AM roycroft: i'm talking about things that require a bit more precision than a drill press
10:52 AM cradek: ah
10:52 AM roycroft: also, simple milling operations like slotting, that can't be done on a drill press
10:53 AM cradek: I don't think cnc gets in the way of those
10:53 AM roycroft: and i've considered getting rid of one of the drill presses
10:53 AM cradek: I think cnc gets in the way on a lathe more frequently than on a mill
10:53 AM roycroft: that would free up a bit of space
10:53 AM roycroft: yeah, i would never consider a cnc conversion of my 12x36
10:53 AM fragalot: 4SUP
10:53 AM fragalot: 'sup*
10:54 AM roycroft: i know there's a "conversational" mode in linuxcnc
10:54 AM roycroft: that's almost certainly not the correct term, but my brain is spacing on the term right now
10:54 AM roycroft: where i can basically enter gcode on the fly for simple stuff
10:55 AM cradek: yeah, mdi
10:55 AM cradek: for slotting you might also just use a continuous jog
10:55 AM roycroft: that might actually be faster than doing it manually, after locating the work
10:55 AM roycroft: especially for a typical drill/countersink/tap operation o multiple holes
10:55 AM roycroft: right now i do a lot of changing out of tooling when i do that stuff
10:56 AM roycroft: with cnc i could program it to do all operations with one tool at a time
10:56 AM roycroft: and save a whole lot of tooling changes
10:57 AM fragalot: or get a DRO on all axis and do it that way
10:57 AM roycroft: i have a dro on x and y (z not really necessary for drilling/tapping operations), but the scales are flaky and it doesn't work well
10:58 AM roycroft: i was going to replace the scales with glass scales, but then i started buying parts for a cnc conversion, and decided it was not worth investing in glass scales for the thing
10:58 AM roycroft: my intent is to finish the cnc conversion, then take the dro and install it on my 12x36 lathe
10:58 AM fragalot: glass scales aren't /that/ expensive anymore
10:58 AM roycroft: no, but if they're for a very short term use it's still a bad investment
10:58 AM fragalot: they're not for short term
10:59 AM fragalot: they're for the 12x36 :P
10:59 AM roycroft: they would not be big enough for that
10:59 AM roycroft: and if i got scales for the 12x36 they would be way too big for the mill
10:59 AM roycroft: to the point that they would get in the way
10:59 AM roycroft: i'm still working on my router table - the thing is functional, but with the prototype frame
11:00 AM roycroft: when that project is done, my next machine project will be the mill/drill
11:00 AM roycroft: at this point, all i need to get for it is the ball screws, and then i can start the conversion
11:00 AM roycroft: although my most immediate need will require a high speed spindle
11:01 AM roycroft: so i'll probably have to get an 80mm spindle like i have for my router table and make a mount for that
11:01 AM CaptHindsight: fragalot: not if you buy Heidenhain :)
11:02 AM fragalot: CaptHindsight: why would you buy heidenhain for a chinese lathe
11:03 AM CaptHindsight: bragging rights
11:04 AM roycroft: my lathe is taiwanese, not chinese :)
11:05 AM fragalot: roycroft: apologies. :)
11:06 AM roycroft: and it's from the '80s, when that was an even bigger deal
11:09 AM CaptHindsight: roycroft: http://www.shars.com/12-digital-machine-aluminum-scale $37
11:10 AM fragalot: ew
11:12 AM saintsinner: hey guys, i need to read some basics on machine which, as it is said, injects melted plastic. Well, same cnc. I just can not hit a good reading on it. There are surely some options and several control functions.
11:14 AM roycroft: i like my dro, capthindsight
11:14 AM roycroft: it's a shumatech
11:14 AM fragalot: i've got a chintsy SINO.. Zero complaints from my end.
11:14 AM roycroft: the problem with the scales, though is that they always run off the battery, and they won't shut off
11:14 AM CaptHindsight: saintsinner: please go on
11:15 AM roycroft: so the batteries are dead every time i try to use them
11:15 AM fragalot: I hate battery powered scales >.<
11:16 AM CaptHindsight: i think you're supposed to put the plastic film back on the battery when not in use
11:16 AM roycroft: and that's a pain in the butt where they are mounted
11:16 AM fragalot: even if they have a proper OFF button I forget to press that
11:16 AM fragalot: let alone put a piece of plastic that you've already lost back
11:16 AM roycroft: i could probably wire in disconnect switches
11:17 AM roycroft: or i can just finish the damn cnc conversion and move the dro head over to my lathe, and get some proper glass scales for it :)
11:17 AM roycroft: i've only been "working" on this cnc conversion for 5 years or so
11:17 AM roycroft: it's probably about time i wrap it up
11:17 AM fragalot: :P
11:18 AM roycroft: oh, besides the ball screws i need a rack enclosure to mount the drives/power supplies/etc.
11:18 AM saintsinner: that is some chinede text, translated to English, and knowing the cnc mills (i worked on cnc mill) i have found that i do not understand what is written there. what English words shall I use to search in Wikipedia?
11:18 AM CaptHindsight: I found a bunch of glass scales, but most are 1vpp or current output
11:19 AM saintsinner: CaptHi
11:20 AM roycroft: i haven't even begun to think about how/where i would mount the scales on my lathe
11:20 AM CaptHindsight: saintsinner: not enough for me to go on
11:20 AM roycroft: since the dro on my mill is useless at this point, there's no reason not to go ahead with moving it to the lathe
11:21 AM saintsinner: CaptHindsight -- I will have written later from laptop in about 15 hours or so. Thank you.
11:27 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:30 AM fragalot: hi IchGucksLive
11:31 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
11:37 AM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGyfqrDtY4E
11:37 AM flyback: old but neat
11:37 AM flyback: and the hick guy in charge is a riot
11:37 AM flyback: "THAT'S DEFENCE SHIT"
11:40 AM flyback: i BET that is still a good field to be in
11:40 AM flyback: retrofitting legacy high end machines
11:40 AM IchGucksLive: flyback, your video you promoting
11:41 AM flyback: not promotking
11:41 AM flyback: not involved with them
11:41 AM flyback: just neat watching them making a legacy machine tool better
11:42 AM flyback: but I like the guy for speaking his mind
11:42 AM flyback: bbl
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: still full sunshine here
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: pcw_home, online ?
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: pcw_mesa, online ?
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
12:37 PM gloops: team 17 (Worms creators) valued at £230 000 000, founder Debbie gets 100 mill
01:03 PM fragalot: Hi
01:06 PM gloops: evening
01:21 PM Tom_L: afternoon
01:27 PM miss0r: Homemade safe is evolving :D https://imgur.com/a/cQXNykz
01:30 PM diginet_ is now known as diginet
01:30 PM Rab: miss0r, are you using carbide tooling for door bolts?
01:30 PM miss0r: hehe, yeah. I'll cut them to lenght at some point
01:46 PM Tom_L: miss0r, usin up all your broken cutters?
02:04 PM * hazzy-dev wonders if carbide would make a very secure bolt, or if it would be too brittle
02:04 PM SpeedEvil: Too brittle mostly.
02:04 PM SpeedEvil: Padlocks are using boron steel apparently as the best compromise
02:05 PM enleth: isn't brittleness rather inconsequential when bolting a door that opens to the outside, has a very large lip preventing it from being pushed in and can't be grabbed to pull it easily?
02:05 PM gloops: so whats better, a few 2 inch deadbolts, or 20 half inch bolts?
02:06 PM SpeedEvil: gloops: 20 2 inch bars.
02:06 PM gloops: on a 12 inch diameter safe? heh
02:06 PM SpeedEvil: And it's gotta make a noise like the stargate when it opens.
02:06 PM gloops: the big heavy things dont have many bolts
02:07 PM enleth: gloops: probably the latter, but it all depends on how the rest of the door and frame is built and what are your use cases
02:07 PM gloops: they wont try to snap the bolts anyway, theyll attack the locking mechanism, or simply blow it up or saw through it
02:07 PM MarcelineVQ: on padlocks, your padlock can be as awful/cheap as you like as long as it doesn't open on its own and it's inside of a box so you can't get cutters on it
02:08 PM gloops: thats true Marceline
02:08 PM enleth: high diameter bolts are much stronger, but their ratio of diameter to engaged length might make them way more prone to camming out by deforming the throat of the slot they engage if pulled on hard enough
02:08 PM enleth: low diameter bolts might be easier to bend, but harder to cam out
02:08 PM SpeedEvil: MarcelineVQ: unless you can twist the body and remove it, or remove the core with a slide-hammer, or pick it, or ...
02:08 PM enleth: there's less bolt material but more frame material surrounding it
02:09 PM gloops: ive had a little shed outside the fence forever, times the lock was wrenched off i lost count, i never even bothered locking it anymore
02:09 PM gloops: than i made a simple box for the lock - never been in since
02:09 PM MarcelineVQ: to put it another way if your theif is smart/detertmined enough to get passed the padlock in a box they were gonna get in anyway
02:10 PM enleth: there are special padlocks designed to be boxed in with dedicated sheet metal eyelets
02:10 PM gloops: yes, you are really only trying to stop the passing opportunist, with a simple tool or 2
02:10 PM gloops: thing is, if they do spot serious security measures, they might come back prepared
02:11 PM gloops: like, whats in here worth locking up like that?
02:11 PM MarcelineVQ: that's where part two comes in, own fake buildings!
02:11 PM SpeedEvil: gloops: that's why you use deterrants, like a plate with 'this side towards enemy' written on it of the appropriate shape next to it.
02:11 PM MarcelineVQ: "this door protected by acid jars"
02:12 PM gloops: in this country id get locked up for that
02:12 PM MarcelineVQ: these days you can get locked up for hurting someone feelings on facebook anywhere but america
02:13 PM enleth: get this style of padlock: https://image.ceneostatic.pl/data/products/22105068/i-gerda-klodka-trzpieniowa-mosiadz-60mm.jpg
02:13 PM enleth: with this mounting: https://media.castorama.pl/media/catalog/product/cache/0/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/W/r/Wrzeciadze_Gamet-165997-93665.jpg
02:13 PM gloops: and the other thing with having a safe in the house...
02:13 PM enleth: pretty much requires an angle grinder or hydraulic cutters
02:13 PM gloops: if you get burgled, they might just put a bit of pressure on you for the combination
02:13 PM enleth: or maybe a 6 foot ABOM-grade pry bar
02:14 PM hazzy-dev: Those battery powered angle grinders are very handy ...
02:14 PM gloops: theyll bypass all that - just ram the door off, or drag it off with a chain
02:16 PM gregcnc_: call the police they'll stop it
02:16 PM gloops: pfff
02:16 PM MarcelineVQ: in the uk?
02:16 PM gloops: you are having a laugh gregcnc?
02:17 PM gregcnc_: take out your ar-10 and fix it yourself?
02:17 PM MarcelineVQ: "<gloops> like, whats in here worth locking up like that?" this is kind of the crux of it, if your place looks like a third-world shithole you likely to be lower on the list, the downside being fairly obvious
02:17 PM enleth: hazzy-dev: it still takes a long time to cut through a padlock like the one I linked - the bolt is beyond the reach of a 125mm cutoff disk
02:17 PM Panoptes is now known as Aztec03
02:17 PM fragalot: MarcelineVQ: as long as you don't use masterlock it's good.
02:18 PM MarcelineVQ: fragalot: but they're on sale!
02:18 PM fragalot: they don't even make for good paperweights as they damage the paper
02:18 PM enleth: you have to cut the whole thing apart piece by piece to get at the padlock inside
02:19 PM enleth: takes a long time, makes a lot of noise
02:19 PM MarcelineVQ: a property I went to recently had a combo lock that slid slightly when you got a right number, so a theif just has to rotate the tumblers until they have all made a little movement and bingo. it wasn't even the good kind that you have to push in to release, it just falls apart on the right number. awful
02:19 PM fragalot: enleth: so how do you get your key in?
02:19 PM fragalot: enleth: the issue with masterlock is that they'll literally open with a zip-tie
02:19 PM enleth: fragalot: those padlocks have the keyhole on the side
02:19 PM fragalot: or ANYTHING slim enough to fit in the hole
02:19 PM fragalot: like a chicken bone
02:19 PM fragalot: or a twig
02:20 PM enleth: fragalot: no idea about masterlock, I've never used those, I usually get Gerda padlocks and locks when I need something that isn't trivial to open
02:20 PM MarcelineVQ: fragalot: or a pretty lady blowing on it
02:20 PM gloops: Marceline psychology plays a big part yeah
02:21 PM fragalot: enleth: Good. :P
02:21 PM phipli: .temp 90 f
02:21 PM theCockerel: phipli: 32.22°C = 90.00°F = 305.37K
02:21 PM enleth: fragalot: the padlock I linked is a Gerda, I used this model a couple of times and disassembled one unit, it did seem to be rather well built
02:22 PM enleth: disassembly involved a milling machine, obviously
02:23 PM enleth: as far as I know, if your use case is not sufficiently covered by that type of padlock with a proper anti-tamper cover, you need an actual intrusion detection system and/or active deterrents because there are no better padlocks being made
02:24 PM * fragalot scrolls up
02:24 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Union-Battleship-6-Lever-Padlock-B-1K11/401482428117?
02:25 PM gloops: i had something like that, never got took off, until i lost the key
02:25 PM fragalot: enleth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksLAHRWE9DQ <= masterlock.
02:26 PM fragalot: enleth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIq9khF-axs <= if the above wasn't enough.
02:26 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/65mm-PVC-Insulated-Padlock-Amtech-Heavy-Duty-Durable-Keys-Weather-Outdoor-4/2255328652?
02:26 PM gloops: ive also got that very lock on something, for years, never been in
02:27 PM gloops: crap lock, except - you cant get anything in the hasp big enough to snap it off
02:28 PM SpeedEvil: Except a wrench on the body
02:29 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: that's more likely to snap the shackle on the door than the lock in most cases
02:29 PM gloops: cant do that either really, well i suppose maybe
02:29 PM fragalot: there are plenty of destructive methods to get into doors
02:29 PM enleth: fragalot: I stopped watching when I saw the key, the rest was obvious
02:29 PM fragalot: personally, I like to figure out non-destructive ways (on my own property, of course)
02:30 PM gloops: wont snap the shackles, its a steel gate
02:30 PM enleth: fragalot: those straight bolt Gerdas use full size keys like door locks
02:30 PM fragalot: enleth: yet people still buy them by the bucket-loads
02:30 PM fragalot: enleth: yeah gerda's not bad :)
02:30 PM enleth: fragalot: and they do use security pins inside
02:30 PM * SpeedEvil ponders analog keylocks.
02:30 PM SpeedEvil: Only open if supplied with a 1.3459K resistor.
02:31 PM fragalot: enleth: they do, but they are still not tight tolerance locks
02:31 PM fragalot: but it does slow you down
02:31 PM enleth: nope, that's a different price range
02:31 PM fragalot: yeah
02:32 PM enleth: still, they're probably the best you can get - if they're not enough, you probably want to install an actual door with an integrated lock that has multiple bolts and all, not a better padlock
02:32 PM fragalot: I agree.
02:33 PM enleth: BTW, there's one series of Gerda padlocks that I avoid - the ones with Abloy-style disc mechanism
02:34 PM enleth: not because it's particularily easy to pick
02:34 PM * SpeedEvil idly wonders about 3d printed locks.
02:34 PM DaViruz: SpeedEvil: seems easily defeated by a variable resistor. maybe if there's a time component
02:34 PM enleth: but it's absolutely trivial to copy a key
02:34 PM SpeedEvil: DaViruz: not if it only works when you plug it in
02:34 PM enleth: way easier than the regular tumbler lock keys
02:34 PM DaViruz: that might work
02:35 PM SpeedEvil: (3d printed locks with metal bits for the actual security)
02:35 PM DaViruz: then it's just the thermal variance issues.. :)
02:35 PM SpeedEvil: It doesn't matter from some perspectives if the lock is easy to break
02:35 PM enleth: for a tumbler, you need a key blank, for a disc lock, you need a slender piece of ANYTHING that can be shaped with a file - and a plasticine impression of the key
02:36 PM enleth: bakelite works very well
02:36 PM gloops: locks would be a good hobby, and a profitable one i bet
02:36 PM Rab: gloops, making them?
02:37 PM gloops: Rab picking them, and fitting them etc
02:37 PM gloops: 10000 phone calls a month 'ive lost my key can you open my door'
02:37 PM SpeedEvil: I was idly wondering about very silly warding. Cut very carefully with a broach, so as to actually be unusual shapes.
02:38 PM Rab: gloops, sure. But there's probably some kind of market for a unique artisanal padlock Etsy store. ;)
02:38 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: so. the bowley lock?
02:38 PM SpeedEvil: fragalot: not that, no, though that is neat
02:39 PM DaViruz: SpeedEvil: hm, i may finally have found a reason to get a wire edm.. :)
02:39 PM SpeedEvil: DaViruz: that sort of thing, yes
02:39 PM DaViruz: the bowley key look very flimsy
02:39 PM fragalot: gloops: it is a fun hobby, but you need to know your stuff because there are tons of cowboys out there ruining locks
02:39 PM fragalot: and doors
02:39 PM gloops: Rab must be, i mean youve got your celtic padlock, egyptian padlock, andy warhol padlock and so on
02:39 PM SpeedEvil: DaViruz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjlml4MGVYc - relevant
02:40 PM SpeedEvil: Imagine that for keyways
02:40 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: what about the abus flexible key one
02:41 PM gloops: fragalot i imagine 24 hour callout for lock work has a fast turnover for employees, probably take anyone on these days and talk them through the job on the phone
02:41 PM SpeedEvil: Is that the 'interactive element' one/
02:41 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ey2SFHbZV8 <= that one
02:42 PM SpeedEvil: fragalot: funky
02:42 PM enleth: oh, one small piece of trivia to add to the discussion: the security level of certified safes and strongboxes is usually rated in minutes of resisted forced entry attempts and the rating scale usually tops off at 10, 15 or 30 minutes depending on the local customs. the reasoning is that if you really need something protected, it should never be left unsupervised for more than 30 minutes even in a safe.
02:43 PM * fragalot nods
02:43 PM fragalot: mine's a 5 minute, because it's a glorified fire box for documents.
02:43 PM fragalot: which is exactly what it's used for
02:44 PM enleth: if you genuinely need a 30 minute safe, you can probably afford to have a guard with a dog walk by every 15 minutes
02:44 PM fragalot: :D
02:46 PM enleth: when they test it, that's 30 minutes with blowtorches, magnetic drills with diamond-tipped or carbide hole saws, hydraulic shears, battering rams and so on
02:48 PM enleth: and they usually only need to be able to make an opening sufficient to inspect the inside and pull stuff out, not actually open the door, for the safe to fail the next highest rating
02:50 PM enleth: (any real safe will be completely unopenable anyway as soon as the door is cut into deep enough to trigger security bolts that close permanently)
02:57 PM JT-Shopp is now known as JT-Shop
03:32 PM gloops: tbh, youre better off with a hole under the floorboards
03:44 PM Deejay: gn8
03:47 PM Loetmichel: enleth: sounds like the "Kuchenblechmafia" ;)
03:49 PM Loetmichel: (german videoclip aboiut a safe manufacturter that rants about the competitors and tries to show how fast his wirkers open a copmetitors safe... which they fail to do for about 30 minutes in the background of the vid. ;)
03:54 PM gloops: i remember a TV series here about a group of 'super grassers' something the courts set up in the 80s - if a serious criminal gave full co-operation he was basically given vastly reduced sentence and assistance with security, new identity etc on release
03:55 PM gloops: for naming lots of other names and crimes
03:55 PM gloops: some of the stuff the bank robbers and security vault robbers got up to was very clever
03:56 PM gloops: like, it isnt just knowing how to get into the vault, its knowing when the vault is full
03:58 PM Loetmichel: gloops: and even more important: how to get out without getting caught ;)
03:59 PM gloops: yeah, how long have you got, very important
04:02 PM gloops: they would get a car, with a boot, drill some holes in the boot, then park it outside the target place, with someone in the boot all day, watching taking notes of deliveries, when the security changes shift, all that info
04:06 PM phipli: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieF3d_YBUh4
04:07 PM gregcnc_: i watched that one the other day
04:11 PM gloops: some graft went into that
04:12 PM phipli: some lovely automation
04:14 PM phipli: those drilling / reaming rigs
04:16 PM gloops: there was something nice about british cars
04:17 PM syyl: the electrics?
04:17 PM gloops: the character
04:17 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:17 PM syyl: thats what they say about old italian cars too
04:17 PM syyl: kinda shitty, but the character!
04:18 PM gloops: there was nothing shitty about our cars syyl
04:18 PM gloops: we made the best in the world
04:19 PM syyl: i was not serious - in fact all i know about british cars is topgear-trivia ;)
04:19 PM gloops: it was criminal what thatcher did to uk industry, and it has to be said, the EU
04:22 PM syyl: there is not much left in the uk right?
04:22 PM syyl: landrover
04:22 PM syyl: rover?
04:22 PM syyl: and morgan?
04:22 PM gloops: not british owned anymore
04:22 PM gloops: not british engines
04:23 PM syyl: ops :\
04:23 PM phipli: Ariel
04:23 PM phipli: oh, engines
04:23 PM gloops: honda engine
04:24 PM phipli: Perkins are owned by CAT, but still make their own engines
04:24 PM syyl: ok
04:24 PM syyl: you have basicaly as much car industry left as australia
04:24 PM phipli: We mainly build japanese cars these days
04:24 PM gloops: there might be some light at the end of the tunnel with electric cars
04:24 PM phipli: Toyota plant outside of town
04:24 PM phipli: although around here we make more jet engines than car engines
04:24 PM gloops: maclaren is working on composite chassis
04:27 PM gloops: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-38906972 about 8 mile away from me
04:29 PM gloops: there is barely any old sooty heavy metal industry left, but there is growing high tech manufacturing here
04:34 PM gloops: http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/tech/the-uks-ai-sector-is-fastest-growing-in-the-world/20499.article
04:56 PM enleth: OK, just learned another trick from Tom Lipton
04:57 PM enleth: he's using aluminum air duct sealing tape on lathe chuck jaws to avoid marring
04:58 PM enleth: the good stuff is pretty much very thick aluminum foil with adhesive, no plastic backing
04:59 PM enleth: I have this damn tape in a box in the same room as the lathe but I never though about it and always fiddled with the damn pieces of sheet aluminum or copper that invariably end up falling off one of the jaws just as the chuck is tightened
05:02 PM enleth: actually, pure copper adhesive tape is a thing too
05:05 PM gloops: ive got a roll of copper tape, im going to try it for slug deterrence
05:05 PM gloops: apparently slugs wont cross it, although some state you have to attach a battery for it to work
05:08 PM enleth: I haven't had to deal with that problem myself but one solution I've heard is to see if there are any slug-eating small animals native to your area and try to get some to live in your garden
05:08 PM enleth: as long as they're not burrowing too much, it might be a better deal than the slugs
05:10 PM gloops: yes that would be great, unforunately slug pellets have killed all the hedgehogs
05:11 PM gloops: anyway bedtime for me
07:05 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest5013
07:49 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
09:12 PM Tom_shop: what does it mean: hm2/hm2_7i90.1: error reading hm2 cookie ?
09:15 PM Tom_L: was editing the files to test an 7i80 card but i've never noticed that error before on the 7i90
09:15 PM Tom_L: commented changes out and still get it
10:52 PM lcvette: join
10:53 PM lcvette: whats shakin
10:55 PM lcvette: what do i need to look at a new config file i made in pncconfig?
10:56 PM lcvette: ive never seen a config file before and would like to check out what got spit out
11:04 PM lcvette: ok i opened it in libre office
11:05 PM lcvette: is that right
11:07 PM nallar is now known as Ross
11:24 PM flyback: I recommand anyone in security or not watch "building a 8 bit computer" by ben eater
11:52 PM fragalot: Hi