#linuxcnc Logs

May 04 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:03 AM fragalot: Hi
12:32 AM IchGucksLive: good morning from Sunny Cold Germany
12:33 AM jesseg: Good Morning
12:35 AM IchGucksLive: :-)
12:40 AM IchGucksLive: morning varesa_ how is it up there in dublin
12:40 AM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop, still up
12:42 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
12:54 AM Panoptes is now known as Aztec03
01:08 AM Deejay: moin
02:24 AM miss0r: so, anyone up to any cool machinig projects?
02:28 AM MarcelineVQ: idk about cool but I'm one speakon socket delivery away from starting assembly on cnc wood lathe
02:29 AM gloops: keep us posted on that Marcel im going to make a lathe in a month or 2 hopefully
02:29 AM MarcelineVQ: cut all my wood for the enclosure today, should be fun, I can get that mostly assembled. I need those sockets so I can locate the holes properly, in case they don't line up to their specs
02:34 AM gloops: i never thought actually, a metre long lathe could be fully enclosed, that would help with noise
02:34 AM MarcelineVQ: electric enclosure hehe, but one could enclose the lathe, especially if you're gonna make dusty whisper cuts
02:36 AM gloops: yeah i thought you were talking about electric enclosure, just thought on a bit heh
02:37 AM gloops: im going to be making a dust shoe, that too might be able to take some of the direct noise blast from cutting away maybe
02:37 AM MarcelineVQ: for your router?
02:38 AM gloops: yeah, ill have a look at what insulating materials ive got to add to it
02:38 AM gloops: that wouldnt look a total mess
02:40 AM gloops: some of that stuff they use in cars maybe for noise damping, inside the dust shoe
02:41 AM MarcelineVQ: probably easier to soundproof the room than the cutter hehe
02:42 AM gloops: i have done some work on the room, but every little helps
03:31 AM Aztec03 is now known as Panoptes
03:57 AM Loetmichel: [evil schientist laugther] "*MUHAHAHA* IT LIVES AGAIN!" [/evil schientist laugther] -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17104&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:00 AM Loetmichel: .. that was a new dell precison notebook i took apart to put it in a full metal shielded enclosure... had a little problems with the PSU not charging when fed thru the Power filter (data lines for the PSU eprom not working)... resolved that by putting the eprom on the mainboard ;)
04:14 AM XXCoder: made new laptop out of old one eh
04:16 AM Loetmichel: nope. its brandnew
04:16 AM Loetmichel: just dismalntel because it will go into a selfmilled all aluminium enclosure
04:16 AM Loetmichel: dismantled
04:16 AM Loetmichel: with a lot of shielding and filters
04:17 AM XXCoder: ahh laptop -> toughbook cobverson
04:17 AM Loetmichel: kind of
04:17 AM Loetmichel: but emphasis on shielded
04:18 AM Loetmichel: not rugged
04:18 AM XXCoder: lots emf envorment?
04:18 AM XXCoder: nukeproof?
04:18 AM Loetmichel: eavesdropping countermeasures
04:18 AM Loetmichel: NEMP proof, too ;)
04:18 AM XXCoder: top secret laptop?
04:18 AM Loetmichel: yes
04:19 AM XXCoder: will it have anti-open measures?
04:19 AM Loetmichel: just some stickers that self destruckt when peeled
04:20 AM XXCoder: so can tell if its been.... bugged
04:22 AM Loetmichel: indeed
04:26 AM XXCoder: I suppose bolts could be epoxied once confirmed everything worked
04:26 AM XXCoder: or plastic filled
04:26 AM XXCoder: easy enough to melt, but impossible to fill same shape
04:28 AM Loetmichel: the stickers are issued from the german ministry if information and data security. they are about as hard to counterfeit as euro notes
04:28 AM Loetmichel: and yes, they have serial numbers
04:29 AM XXCoder: not surpised, I do know such stickers exist
04:29 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: you could branch out into cyberpunk laptops.
04:30 AM XXCoder: is laptops even popular now?
04:30 AM SpeedEvil: I mean you're already casing the damn things in metal, all you need to do is to throw a few cogs on
04:30 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14999&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:30 AM Loetmichel: there you can see some
04:31 AM Loetmichel: what do you mean popular?
04:31 AM XXCoder: is picures of stickers allowed?
04:31 AM XXCoder: I know some dont allow
04:31 AM XXCoder: also, will it be wifi?
04:31 AM Loetmichel: yes, its allowed
04:31 AM XXCoder: or just disabled inside faraday cage called laptop case
04:32 AM Loetmichel: and no, no wifi of yourse
04:32 AM Loetmichel: pulled the wifi/bt card
04:32 AM XXCoder: powder coated wow
04:32 AM XXCoder: tough indeed lol
04:32 AM Loetmichel: its for soldiers... you HAVE to make it tough ;)
04:33 AM * SpeedEvil thinks of steve1989.
04:34 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: same "style" as our thin clients: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14412&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:34 AM Loetmichel: dark gray powder coated, a shiptload of screws ;)
04:35 AM Loetmichel: -p
04:35 AM XXCoder: all screws you can eat
04:36 AM Loetmichel: only 142* stainless steel M3 screws
04:36 AM Loetmichel: in the back alone ;)
04:38 AM XXCoder: so much funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylfto5YnOww
04:55 AM jthornton: morning
04:56 AM XXCoder: jthornton: check out this one also lol so much laughing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoUt2wYzLCI
04:57 AM jthornton: dumb
04:59 AM XXCoder: yeah mirrored window, always assume someones watching
05:00 AM jthornton: most putube videos like that are not real, just actors trying to make money
05:13 AM jthornton: damn I had to look at 20 videos on how to use pocket screws before I found one that only showed how to use pocket screws... so much crap on putube
05:14 AM jthornton: damn firefox is so broken on linux now I hate using it
05:14 AM XXCoder: really? it works fine here
05:15 AM jthornton: yea flakey here
05:15 AM XXCoder: maybe do a browser refresh
05:15 AM XXCoder: settings and plugins is reset but bookmarks is saved
05:16 AM jthornton: browser refresh?
05:16 AM XXCoder: lemme get link a second
05:16 AM XXCoder: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings
05:17 AM XXCoder: save list of your favorite plugons first
05:17 AM jthornton: only thing I have is adblock
05:18 AM XXCoder: it should be strightforward for you then
05:26 AM Tom_L: i started using uBlock instead of adblock
05:26 AM jthornton: that's what I just added
05:27 AM XXCoder: sigh toggle gif still havent ported to new firefox plugin system yet. I miss it
05:29 AM XXCoder: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-animated-gifs/
05:35 AM jthornton: XXCoder: that seemed to fix firefox
05:35 AM XXCoder: nice
05:41 AM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/Impakt-Tools-p1-Portable-Thickness/dp/B072MJ7LM5
05:42 AM XXCoder: ohhh
05:42 AM XXCoder: new entry in freecad: reverse engineering
05:49 AM XXCoder: jthornton: freecad 0.18 is pretty nifty
05:50 AM XXCoder: also what is good mm/s for cutting wood?
05:50 AM XXCoder: I randomly selected 100 mm/s but im sure thats just too speedy lol
05:51 AM jthornton: my machines all use IPM
05:52 AM XXCoder: mines meteric
05:53 AM XXCoder: freecad simulator is weird
05:53 AM XXCoder: it dont follow feed speed, but "gcode per second"
05:53 AM XXCoder: what the heck
05:54 AM jthornton: hmm the door should be opening... ah there it goes
05:54 AM XXCoder: STILL better than camotics
05:54 AM XXCoder: thats how bad camotics is
05:54 AM XXCoder: I still remember when it used to always start sim backwards from end
06:04 AM jthornton: hmm freecad starts with a blank slate
06:06 AM jthornton: hmm I installed freecad but got v0.14
06:07 AM XXCoder: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:freecad-maintainers/freecad-stable
06:07 AM XXCoder: sudo apt-get update
06:07 AM XXCoder: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:freecad-maintainers/freecad-daily for 0.18
06:09 AM XXCoder: assuming you use apt-get type dunno what distro you use
06:10 AM jthornton: yea linux mint
06:10 AM XXCoder: same
06:10 AM XXCoder: 0.18 is very unstable, anything can change
06:10 AM XXCoder: im now checking 0.17 see how its PATH works
06:11 AM jthornton: is 0.18 that much different than 0.14?
06:11 AM XXCoder: 0.17 is latest stable
06:11 AM XXCoder: but yeah very different
06:12 AM jthornton: hmm I'll switch to my debian hd it's newer and install freecad there
06:12 AM XXCoder: 0.18 I dont recommand using because they might change file save debian
06:12 AM XXCoder: nah just add ppa
06:12 AM XXCoder: you'll always have very latest stable and unstable
06:15 AM XXCoder: since my linux mint was recently installed I had to re-add ppa lol
06:16 AM XXCoder: now updating from 0.15 to 0.17
06:16 AM XXCoder: I installed freecad-daily also, just to play with see what changes there is.
06:16 AM jthornton: I think I'm updating from 0.14 to 0.17
06:16 AM XXCoder: in least yours wasnt 0.13 lol now that was awful, awful versionm
06:19 AM XXCoder: I like the concept "Body"
06:20 AM XXCoder: before it was kinda messy
06:23 AM XXCoder: jthornton: looks like 0.17 has the newer cam also!
06:23 AM XXCoder: not bad
06:23 AM XXCoder: 0.16 was a mess on cam
06:23 AM * jthornton is still downloading packages lol
06:27 AM jthornton: 0.17 opens up with a lot more info
06:28 AM XXCoder: cam is... actually undoable and fixable
06:28 AM XXCoder: before deleting someting breaks all cam forever
06:28 AM XXCoder: so would have to completely start all over
06:29 AM XXCoder: (from cam, dont have to make model again)
06:29 AM jthornton: sounds like an old version of OneCNC you had start over if you wanted to change anything
06:30 AM jthornton: interesting https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Manual:BIM_modeling
06:30 AM XXCoder: looking
06:31 AM XXCoder: ah yeah spreadsheet stuff. interesting yeah
06:31 AM XXCoder: theres 2 spreadsheets you can use
06:43 AM jthornton: yea I figured out how to draw a line in freecad
06:44 AM XXCoder: via bim?
06:44 AM jthornton: no, just with the line tool
06:45 AM XXCoder: oh mouse usage have changed?
06:45 AM XXCoder: I cant really remember how 0.13 was
06:45 AM jthornton: dunno
06:45 AM XXCoder: not that I used it much, it crashed when I look at it wrong
06:46 AM miss0r: Don't you just love having the mechanic call you, witl something else that needs be replaced while he is at it?
06:46 AM miss0r: This is round is gonna set me back a small fortune
06:46 AM jthornton: lol made 4 walls
06:47 AM XXCoder: yay now there is a inside
06:47 AM XXCoder: but no floor I guess
06:49 AM miss0r: wha?
06:49 AM XXCoder: hes building thje house wrong way
06:49 AM XXCoder: walls then roof then floor
06:50 AM XXCoder: then internal stuff like elctrics and water
06:50 AM XXCoder: ;)
06:50 AM XXCoder: nah hes playing with new freecad
06:50 AM Beachbumpete1: morning linuxCNC....Happy Friday everyone ;)
06:50 AM XXCoder: hey bumpity of beach
06:51 AM XXCoder: miss0r: freecad cam is surpising better
06:51 AM Beachbumpete1: Glad its friday but its supposed to rain this weekend... go figure
06:52 AM miss0r: Alsirgh
06:52 AM miss0r: alright*
06:52 AM XXCoder: preview still kinda sucks. (gcode per second is,... weird.
06:52 AM Beachbumpete1: its been gorgeous all week
06:52 AM miss0r: I use mastercam, never realy used anything else... well, I also run copperCAM once in a while
06:53 AM Beachbumpete1: Mastercam is quite good honesty
06:53 AM XXCoder: pretty sure we had this convo before lol
06:53 AM * jthornton has an old version of Mastercam somewhere
06:53 AM miss0r: XXCoder: That does not sound likely _at_all_ :)
06:54 AM Beachbumpete1: that pdf importer we purchased for Draftsight works really good
06:55 AM Beachbumpete1: finally getting draftsight setup the way I need it for all the CAD drawings I am doing for work....kind of a pain in the azz
06:55 AM XXCoder: sure we talked about cams before
06:55 AM Beachbumpete1: making our title block and templates for each particular paper size turned out to be quite time consuming
06:56 AM Beachbumpete1: speaking of printing what do you guys have for large format plotters if you do have one? Is there a better brand to go with?
06:56 AM miss0r: Thats it for the workday. I have to go pick up the kid. See you around
06:57 AM Beachbumpete1: cya missor
06:57 AM XXCoder: later
06:57 AM XXCoder: heh planned to convert my cheap 3d printerr into plotter
06:57 AM XXCoder: why not
06:58 AM Beachbumpete1: damn things are crazy expensive
06:58 AM XXCoder: cnc stuff is so cheap
06:58 AM XXCoder: wonder if you can roll your own
06:58 AM Beachbumpete1: this is for work so yeah not gonna make anything just buy
06:59 AM Beachbumpete1: IE my day job
06:59 AM XXCoder: ah company can afford
07:01 AM Beachbumpete1: they sure can but I couldn't LOL
07:02 AM XXCoder: I run A61 but I sure as heck cant earn enough to own one
07:02 AM Beachbumpete1: A61?
07:03 AM XXCoder: cnc cell
07:03 AM XXCoder: 2 horzional mills, track pallet system
07:03 AM Beachbumpete1: oh a makino?
07:03 AM XXCoder: yeah
07:04 AM Beachbumpete1: they finally purchased that HAAS VF4 and had a bunch of stuff replaced on it before we did. It shoud be like an new machine now LOL
07:05 AM Beachbumpete1: then they purchased that big CR Onsrud CNC router with drill head
07:05 AM Beachbumpete1: and the Weinig 6 head moulder is already on its way here.
07:05 AM XXCoder: like thi eh http://www.lbctools.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/05vf4-1024x576.jpg
07:05 AM Beachbumpete1: things are going to be getting real interesting very soon around here ;)
07:05 AM XXCoder: shop is getting 2 new super expensive lathes
07:05 AM XXCoder: 1.5 million each from what I understand
07:06 AM Beachbumpete1: actually ours is like that but a bit newer. its a 2014
07:06 AM XXCoder: shop I work at has always been more lathe-focused
07:06 AM XXCoder: but that is wow expensive lol
07:06 AM XXCoder: it uses swiss oil
07:06 AM XXCoder: not coolant for example
07:07 AM * jthornton fails to find the pocket tool :(\
07:07 AM XXCoder: freecad cam?>
07:07 AM jthornton: cad
07:07 AM XXCoder: should be there, icon isnt too clear, just use toolto[
07:07 AM XXCoder: *tip
07:08 AM jthornton: I've hovered over every icon and no joy
07:08 AM XXCoder: odd
07:09 AM XXCoder: its third icon (in group of milling stuff)
07:09 AM XXCoder: not sim group, etc
07:10 AM XXCoder: contour, profile based on.. profile based on.. packet based on.
07:10 AM XXCoder: 4th sorry heh
07:11 AM jthornton: damn imagebin.ca is broken now only goes to a donate page
07:12 AM Beachbumpete1: https://i.imgur.com/txIBzE8.jpg that is basically what ours looks like. its pretty new looking too.
07:12 AM XXCoder: ya looks like essentally standard haas
07:12 AM jthornton: https://postimg.cc/image/sfgbsijo7/
07:13 AM Beachbumpete1: looking forward to programming it
07:13 AM XXCoder: oh THAT lol dumbass me. was too focused on cam stuff
07:13 AM XXCoder: should sketch on it first
07:13 AM XXCoder: define shape for pocket
07:13 AM jthornton: ok
07:14 AM XXCoder: I suggest make "Body" because it allows you to make more than one part. its for future of assembly3
07:15 AM jthornton: I'll have to play with it tomorrow... seems all the tutorials assume you know how to use freecad
07:16 AM XXCoder: tutorials is very very badly behind
07:18 AM jthornton: very
07:19 AM XXCoder: the Body thing is new with 0.17
07:20 AM XXCoder: it should allow Assembly3 to work better once its ever finished and added
07:29 AM MarkusBec: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/English_length_units_graph.png
07:31 AM Beachbumpete1: When I was trying to use Freecad it was not too great. the CAM was not even a thing yet. LOL
07:35 AM Beachbumpete1: I did actually do some of my first 3D models for my own products with it however which was nice.
08:22 AM * Loetmichel just has fun with that demm precision... its supposed to have a dvi output when done... the $2000 mainboard just has a HDMI socket though... and no room for any plug whatsoever... now i have to solder the HDMI/DVI adapter cable to the 1mm grid vias underneath the HDMI socket directly onto the board... *fun times*
08:23 AM Loetmichel: s/demm/dell
08:23 AM SpeedEvil: What sort of $ (order of magnitude) do the 'fixed' variants end up as?
08:24 AM SpeedEvil: I'm idly wondering in the sense of 'fixing' laptops and tablets for being nonflammable in low pressure oxygen is a similar process.
08:24 AM SpeedEvil: (for Space, worst case)
08:25 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: in the range of $9000 iirc
08:25 AM Loetmichel: plus tax :-)
08:26 AM SpeedEvil: Interesting. 'trivial' then. From that perspective.
08:26 AM Loetmichel: we make a complete new enclosure from aluminium billets...
08:26 AM SpeedEvil: NASA manages to spend about $25K/kg on basically everything it touches.
08:27 AM SpeedEvil: On the cheap end.
08:27 AM Loetmichel: its only military grade, not nasa though
08:28 AM SpeedEvil: Yes. I have been arguing in other places that NASA has no meaningful human spaceflight skills in design or construction at all, given launch at under $100/kg (as it may well be soon)
09:10 AM Loetmichel: *fuuun stuff* -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17107&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
09:14 AM enleth: Loetmichel: your server appears to have some problems
09:15 AM enleth: >Connecting to www.cyrom.org||:80... connected.
09:15 AM enleth: HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
09:15 AM enleth: and it's been, like, two minutes now
09:15 AM mtpocketscnc1: morning
09:15 AM SpeedEvil: wfm
09:16 AM enleth: Loetmichel: oh, I got an error 500 after two minutes
09:16 AM gregcnc_: loaded now
09:17 AM mtpocketscnc1: looks like quite the enjoyable puzzle lol
09:20 AM Loetmichel: indeed
09:29 AM enleth: what's the proper english name for a lathe chuck that has a scroll for synchronized jaw movement but allows each jaw to be offset independently as well?
09:42 AM SpeedEvil: awesome?
09:42 AM * SpeedEvil has no real idea, as you probably gathered.
09:42 AM gregcnc_: example of such awesomeness? These aren't common
09:43 AM syyl: system wescott
09:43 AM syyl: they are utter crap ;)
09:43 AM syyl: but
09:43 AM syyl: very expensive crap
09:45 AM gregcnc_: isee not even practical for repeated odd shaped work?
09:45 AM syyl: i didnt find our röhm at work very repeating
09:45 AM enleth: Bison makes such chucks, I've heard they actually do what they're supposed to do
09:49 AM gregcnc_: do you have an application?
09:51 AM enleth: no, but I see them used on auction sites and they aren't that expensive
09:51 AM enleth: actually, they aren't any more expensive than a regular chuck
09:52 AM enleth: probably because the factory that makes them is local and has been in operation for the last 50 years
09:53 AM enleth: the Bison 4-jaw I got this week was made in 1985 (but it's dimensionally identical to the current Bison 4304-200 chucks you can get now)
09:53 AM gregcnc_: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-and-history/ive-not-seen-3-jaw-chuck-like-before-265870/
09:53 AM enleth: paid less than $100 for it
09:54 AM enleth: and I see those "combination" chucks (that's what the english Bison website calls them) for $100-$150
09:55 AM gregcnc_: https://www.ebay.com/itm/172806751643 this looks fun
09:56 AM gregcnc_: I wonder why manual chucks never adopted serrated jaws
09:57 AM enleth: they didn't?
09:58 AM enleth: what kind of "serrated"? the jaws on mine sure aren't flat on the gripping face
09:58 AM gregcnc_: master jaw to top jaw interface
09:59 AM gregcnc_: like CNC chucks
10:00 AM enleth: ah, that
10:00 AM enleth: this Cushman looks like a manual in this regard
10:01 AM gregcnc_: probably quite old
10:02 AM gregcnc_: http://www.abbottworkholding.com/chuck-jaws-jaw-nuts.html
11:04 AM Loetmichel: *phew* hdmi-> dvi adapter done... (and already back home) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17110&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
11:09 AM gloops: 3.175mm single flutes arrived, not used to getting tooling that looks like a packet of matches
11:10 AM jdh: heh. in a tiny plastic box of 5?
11:10 AM gloops: 10 in this one - yeah little plastic flip top box
11:10 AM Panoptes is now known as Aztec03
11:11 AM gloops: solid chinese carbide, actually they look ok
11:11 AM Loetmichel: gloops: 3,175mm?
11:11 AM Loetmichel: thats BIIIG
11:11 AM gloops: 1/8th yeah i suppose i need some 1/16th as well
11:12 AM Loetmichel: my smallest 1/8" shaft TC bit is a 2 flute 0.4mm with 3mm cutting depth ;)
11:12 AM gloops: oh..i wont be going to those extremes lol
11:12 AM gloops: these are for contouring - hopefully
11:29 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:29 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, ;-)
11:29 AM gloops: hi Ichs, is devlap up and running now?
11:30 AM IchGucksLive: up to you
11:30 AM devlap: My Z and A axis might be kaput.
11:30 AM IchGucksLive: did you tell him to get better 4 tb6600
11:30 AM devlap: I got two, one for each broken one.
11:30 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, you killed 2 Drivers
11:30 AM devlap: I didn't kill two drivers.
11:31 AM devlap: The Z only went one direction, the A I never tested before. I went to use it for Z and it doesn't have a LED lighting up.
11:31 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, the Tb6600 have the optioon of 800steps
11:31 AM devlap: cool.
11:31 AM devlap: So yea I got two coming.
11:31 AM devlap: Maybe I'll use them for X & Y and put the old ones on Z and A
11:31 AM IchGucksLive: so get 4 if you can take that low budget
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: 12days from china
11:32 AM devlap: I get two drivers monday.
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: 8USD
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: ok
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: as we all like to say it is your mashine
11:32 AM devlap: free one day shipping.
11:33 AM devlap: The other thing I gotta figure out is how to enclose it.
11:33 AM devlap: fiberglass fibers are a joy to suck down
11:35 AM IchGucksLive: they shoudt fit the same space
11:36 AM devlap: Hopefully. I'll get the other two after I fit these and they work.
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: price got dropped 2 6,5 i see at US Ship
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: but noone knowes whats realy in the black box
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: they sell DM556 the Best you can get at 1/4th the manufacture price
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: even the fake m860h is very good as i testet
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: i shoudt do a plasma 8hr test at 5000mm/min on the fake
11:39 AM devlap: What do people typically do for containing FR4 dust?
11:40 AM IchGucksLive: there are 20mm round Fit air cleaner
11:40 AM IchGucksLive: i use
11:40 AM devlap: How does it attach?
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: its mounted below the Spindle plate
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: you got then 6mm of hair to movement
11:55 AM devlap: what is esd sensitive on these BOB's?
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: the Elcos are shilded against the outputs
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
12:12 PM gloops: wonder if 3mm tool can cut 4mm depth
12:18 PM sync: yes
12:18 PM MarcelineVQ: depends on the tool, but quite often yes, for some reason I'm failing to find a video I just saw on this :X For some reason I thought it was one of syyl's videos but I'm not seeing it
12:26 PM dave__ is now known as gloopz
12:27 PM gloopz: yes easily, not bad at all for £1.30 a cutter!
12:28 PM gloopz is now known as gloops
12:29 PM gloops: these are single flute spiral, also very quiet, only cutting mdf though
12:34 PM gloops: if it cuts 4 it will cut 6, so max rpm feed = 125 ipm, perfect
12:37 PM gloops: only trouble, profiling, slot get full of dust, need extractor asap
12:50 PM fragalot: Hi
12:50 PM gloops: evening
12:51 PM miss0r: Goodevening
12:51 PM fragalot: managed to get the mill head down onto the floor
12:52 PM miss0r: fragalot: hopefully intentionally and slow? :)
12:52 PM fragalot: Very. :P
12:52 PM miss0r: Good news
12:52 PM fragalot: glad I used to go climbing a lot & have a lot of gear, lol
12:52 PM miss0r: lol
12:52 PM miss0r: I just got some nice proces equipment from DEIF today.
12:53 PM fragalot: never used them
12:53 PM fragalot: Heck, never even heard of deif :P
12:53 PM miss0r: For one of the machines I'm repairing: it has a 0-1mA dial gauge in the front, representing 0-60kw
12:54 PM miss0r: and the old converter was dead (Three phase input + one current transformer).
12:54 PM miss0r: AND I was unable to get a replacement.. I just phoned them, two hours later they had put together and programmed a unit to my specs. Day to day delievery.
12:55 PM miss0r: I am absolutly going to use them again
12:55 PM fragalot: Neat.
12:55 PM miss0r: and it only cost me little over 530eur
12:55 PM miss0r: for the converter and a new current transformer
12:56 PM fragalot: That's not bad
12:56 PM miss0r: Not at all. THAT and it is all marine grade equipment.
12:56 PM fragalot: You won't get that kind of pricing, service and general helpfulness from the likes of national instruments :P
12:57 PM Tom_L: likely a small growing company instead of an old fat one
12:57 PM miss0r: or schneider :)
12:58 PM miss0r: Tom_L: It started in denmark in 1933... now it is worldwide.
01:01 PM Tom_L: it's always refreshing to deal with somebody like that
01:01 PM miss0r: Indeed, consider them recommended.
01:03 PM Tom_L: i called a local tool company a while back and they didn't have the cutter i wanted but they ground one for me and i picked it up 3 hrs later
01:03 PM miss0r: don't you just love that :]
01:03 PM Tom_L: :)
01:04 PM fragalot: Tom_L: how much did that "custom" cost?
01:04 PM Tom_L: the tool was ~$25-30
01:05 PM fragalot: and the grinding?
01:05 PM Tom_L: that was the total
01:05 PM fragalot: nice.
01:05 PM Tom_L: https://superiortoolservice.com/
01:05 PM Tom_L: also have been recomended :D
01:09 PM gloops: we had Brook Tools up the road for anything like that, sadly gone, replaced by Acorn Linear Motion heh
01:09 PM gloops: not that i need either of them
01:09 PM fragalot: Very useful information, gloops
01:10 PM gloops: there is a moral to the random factoid
01:10 PM gloops: dont think because the compnay is there today it will always be there
01:11 PM MarcelineVQ: this is true, yesterday I went to get some steel from a place that sells small quantities that was there a couple years ago and it was gone when I got there
01:11 PM MarcelineVQ: had to go ask around fab shops for crops
01:12 PM gloops: there was a famous bloke here started restoring a traction in the 80s - a project that took 20 years, when it was done he said he couldnt do it again even if he wanted, the engineering shops to do the work are no longer here
01:12 PM MarcelineVQ: there is a small quantity vendor here but their prices are complete instanity.
01:12 PM gloops: traction engine
01:13 PM fragalot: miss0r: have you seen my new mill table yet btw? https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mQhFcuqh12-OPIcWSXFPrHmFDr3_TCfA
01:13 PM miss0r: fragalot: Nice! How flat have you managed to get it?
01:14 PM miss0r: fragalot: also: what is that surface?
01:14 PM fragalot: it's basically surface plate quality
01:14 PM fragalot: that's an MDF board :P
01:15 PM miss0r: I 'was' asking about the colour of the plate
01:15 PM miss0r: :]
01:15 PM miss0r: gloops: you should do you mill like fragalot
01:15 PM fragalot: cold blue'd cast iron
01:15 PM * miss0r drules
01:15 PM fragalot: the holes are 10mm H7 alignment pins, with an M8 thread in the bottom
01:16 PM fragalot: blind holes, so I can use flood coolant & have it run down the channel on the edge
01:16 PM gloops: completely unnecessary for my needs
01:16 PM miss0r: did you manage to get a good sliding fit with your pins?
01:16 PM gloops: nice job though
01:16 PM fragalot: miss0r: had to grind a small flat on the 10mm pins i have, otherwise they pop back out again
01:17 PM miss0r: Might I recommend you drill them through instead?
01:17 PM fragalot: the pins?
01:17 PM miss0r: grinding those flat spots on stopper pins can be harmfull to the holes, should you bumb something into them
01:17 PM miss0r: yeah
01:18 PM fragalot: good point. I'll have to see if i have some small carbide drills lying around to get through 'm though
01:18 PM miss0r: I actualy made a few some years ago, with a 5mm thread in the top, and a through hole.
01:18 PM fragalot: I'm /fairly/ sure they're through hardened
01:18 PM gloops: for my lathe ive decided on concrete slab base, set into which will be 4 steel uprights with slotted flanges to carry 2 box section beams, worked well enough for the router
01:18 PM fragalot: yeah these have a thread too
01:19 PM miss0r: gloops: You building a cnc lathe?
01:19 PM miss0r: fragalot: Congrats on a job well done :]
01:19 PM gloops: i will, not yet though
01:19 PM fragalot: gloops: still haven't seen an overview picture of your mill!
01:19 PM fragalot: miss0r: Thanks, i'm super happy with it
01:19 PM miss0r: gloops: yeah, what is up with that?
01:20 PM fragalot: nailed the hole locations too, perfectly parallel with the edges of the plate
01:20 PM miss0r: fragalot: 'perfectly' is a quite big word?
01:20 PM gloops: fragalot ive shown vids of it cutting
01:21 PM gloops: and the machine itself, im not one to blow my own trumpet but it was a successful design and build
01:21 PM fragalot: miss0r: let's put it this way; when I put my indicator on it I couldn't see the needle move.
01:22 PM miss0r: 1mm/divition indicator? :P
01:23 PM miss0r: gloops: Some overview pictures would be nice to see though :)
01:24 PM gloops: overview pictures? you mean photos of the machine?
01:25 PM miss0r: yeah, from a few angles at a distance, so I can understand to complete design. I've only ever seen small sections of it at a time in your cutting vids
01:25 PM gloops: i might get some tommorrow, i had some but dont keep anything on this computer, was about 2 installs of linux ago
01:26 PM miss0r: Alright. I will look forward to that :)
01:26 PM fragalot: miss0r: .005 :P
01:27 PM gloops: i probably overestimated the rigidity required for a router, although having said that i havent tried ally yet - this weekend i will, i also used what motors i had - the 2 motors on X are not strong enough to be comfortable ive got 2 replacement 4.5Nm for that, although for now i can work safely up to 4200mm/min
01:28 PM miss0r: that is pretty damn fast... cutting speed?
01:29 PM miss0r: do you have a 22kw 40k rpm spindle or something? :)
01:30 PM gloops: no thats slow for wood really
01:31 PM gloops: 24k spindle
01:31 PM miss0r: how much power?
01:31 PM gloops: 800w
01:32 PM miss0r: So, VERY shallow cuts?
01:32 PM gloops: hmm, relatively shallow yes, 6mm or so in mdf
01:32 PM fragalot: the rapids are typically for 3D profiling
01:33 PM gloops: doesnt stall spindle at 4000mm/min
01:33 PM fragalot: so the cuts are quite shallow, and you want it over with asap :P
01:33 PM gloops: i will add 1.5kw spindle which was always the intention, the motors and spindle off this will go on the lathe
01:34 PM miss0r: I need to crawl back into my hole and do some accounting. See you around
01:34 PM gloops: converting £20 8x4 sheet into £250 of bits can be lucrative - if done quickly
01:46 PM MarcelineVQ: gloops: ah it was a syyl video, just older than I thought https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOEkoSvA30A
01:47 PM MarcelineVQ: not the same application/materials as you have but it was informative
01:52 PM FinboySlick: MarcelineVQ: Syyl is Stefan Goetswinter?
01:52 PM MarcelineVQ: ye
01:53 PM FinboySlick: But Stefan is a rockstar!
01:53 PM MarcelineVQ: unless I've bungled up my names again, but pretty sure hehe
01:53 PM Deejay: :)
01:53 PM FinboySlick: I thought syyl *knew* stephan.
01:53 PM Deejay: he knews him very good
01:54 PM Deejay: and the name is Gotteswinter ;)
01:54 PM fragalot: there goes his peace & quiet :P
01:54 PM fragalot: see? ^
01:54 PM FinboySlick: Nah. I'll be way too starstruck to talk to him now.
01:55 PM FinboySlick: I'll stick to picking on Pete and stuff.
01:55 PM gloops: i thought i was the only person left who used a pencil and paper heh
01:56 PM MarcelineVQ: "<fragalot> see? ^" hehe
01:56 PM MarcelineVQ: totally missed that at first
01:57 PM FinboySlick: Next they'll tell me Fragalot is This old Tony.
01:57 PM gloops: interesting accents
01:57 PM fragalot: i'm not witty enough to be Tot
01:57 PM fragalot: miss0r on the other hand
01:58 PM gloops: Gotteswinter is german id guess? but some american drawlyness to that accent
01:58 PM MarcelineVQ: there's a few germany's in germany
01:58 PM gloops: or could be scando
01:58 PM MarcelineVQ: so you'll get some good variation in speaking
01:59 PM fragalot: gloops: stefan is german
01:59 PM FinboySlick: MarcelineVQ: You don't need the accent to know that. Just watch him work.
01:59 PM fragalot: lol
02:00 PM FinboySlick: "I used a dull knife while drunk so I'm off by 0.0003mm."
02:01 PM gloops: a bit of an urban myth FinboySlick
02:02 PM FinboySlick: gloops: Well, yeah. For every stefan there's a Loetmichel ;)
02:03 PM FinboySlick: (just picking on Loetmichel, btw)
02:05 PM gloops: well yeah, tbh ive never found german engineering to be so impressive
02:05 PM fragalot: that's because it isn't
02:05 PM fragalot: what is very telling that it is german, is how anally retentive the documentation is
02:06 PM miss0r|office2: fragalot: I'm not this old tony. I have never learned to master cutting steel with WD-40 ;)
02:06 PM fragalot: miss0r|office2: the secret is in the garnet. the WD40 is just a carrier
02:06 PM miss0r|office2: I got the ninja-chop down, though
02:06 PM FinboySlick: miss0r|office2: You have to work on your chi
02:06 PM miss0r|office2: That must be it :D
02:07 PM miss0r|office2: Anyone in here interrested in a fully automated bandsaw? cuts up to 320mm dia round stock
02:07 PM miss0r|office2: :D I have one for sale
02:08 PM XXCoder: 99% chance youre too far from all of us (or in least most lol)
02:08 PM miss0r|office2: fragalot: The profit is already down the drain on this saw :D, I put the gearbox back together, had a smoke & remembered I forgot to bend the locking shim around the end nut in there. I had to take it all apart again *sigh*
02:08 PM fragalot: ahahah
02:09 PM miss0r|office2: And we are talking ALOT apart
02:09 PM miss0r|office2: the lid of the gearbox holds the motor + the vario drive
02:09 PM fragalot: same on my mill
02:09 PM miss0r|office2: XXCoder: Yeah, that is the disatvantage of living in Denmark.. but it is also the advantage in some cases :D
02:10 PM fragalot: and the motor is held down with socket cap screws where you need to grind down an allen key to get it in there, turning it 1/6th of a turn at a time, shimming the motor up as you go
02:10 PM miss0r|office2: haha
02:29 PM gloops: Off Grid Living and Homesteading
02:29 PM gloops: 239,231 members < popular group
03:10 PM Deejay: gn8
03:26 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pentart-Rust-effect-powder-3-reagents-Complete-set/191991229906?
03:33 PM pink_vampire: gloops: here we are trying to make stuff shiny not rusty.
03:34 PM gloops: shiny = no character
03:36 PM pink_vampire: i want to reverse engineer something but i can't find the way to make the 3d model.
03:38 PM gloops: what is it?
03:38 PM pink_vampire: http://www.grunblau.com/Brian/Graphics/Finished%20Soap%20Dish.jpg
03:39 PM gloops: hmm, tricky
03:39 PM pink_vampire: i knoww
03:41 PM gloops: you could make an individual funnel shape and set copies out in an array
03:42 PM gloops: in mesh, you could make it in one fairly straightforward
03:42 PM pink_vampire: i'm talking about solid works
03:43 PM gloops: does it use meshes?
03:43 PM pink_vampire: parametric
03:43 PM gloops: i dont know it but i imagine you want loft/sweep to make the funnels
03:44 PM gloops: or volcanos
03:44 PM pink_vampire: there is no way you can do it with loft
03:44 PM gloops: why not?
03:45 PM gloops: draw base shape, draw top shape - loft
03:45 PM pink_vampire: try and see
03:45 PM gloops: make an inner shape, booleen subtract
03:46 PM gloops: you could make something approximating that
03:46 PM gloops: with mesh modelling you could make it as it appears there
03:53 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: thats math model, you need math garphing software
03:53 PM XXCoder: graphing
03:53 PM XXCoder: mathlab, so on few options
03:54 PM XXCoder: https://www.gnu.org/software/octave/ also a option
03:54 PM XXCoder: problem is we dont know what math equations he used to design that soap holder thing. model is on sale though
03:54 PM gregcnc_: why can't you loft that in SW?
03:55 PM pink_vampire: i'm talking about the principal
03:55 PM pink_vampire: gregcnc_: it just fail in the intersections
03:55 PM gregcnc_: try harder
03:56 PM gregcnc_: i don't have time today to play with that
03:57 PM pink_vampire: i was trying
03:57 PM pink_vampire: loft was my first idea
03:59 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLD4dFoXC7o
03:59 PM XXCoder: model http://www.grunblau.com/SoapDish.html
03:59 PM XXCoder: $10
03:59 PM pink_vampire: i know about that
03:59 PM XXCoder: I wish he stated what math equations he used for that
04:00 PM XXCoder: so I could easily recreate it in octave.
04:00 PM XXCoder: its olviously combo of sin and cos
04:00 PM pink_vampire: i don't want to copy, i want to do something that based on the same idea
04:00 PM XXCoder: well octave can do it
04:01 PM XXCoder: it can even export 3d model, you can import that and edit it into actual 3d model with density, as well as cut off sections of it to make flat tops and bottoms like that
04:01 PM gloops: whats octave?
04:01 PM XXCoder: gloops: I linked to it above
04:02 PM hendrik_cnc: good evening, can i change the page down/up keys to other keys in linuxcnc(axis) ? my keyboard does not have these keys :-)
04:02 PM gloops: ok thanks
04:03 PM pink_vampire: he use rhino
04:04 PM gloops: if you are going to build that model, in solidworks, the key is to break it up into parts that you CAN make
04:04 PM cradek: hendrik_cnc: yes you can write commands in ~/.axisrc that rebind the keys how you want
04:05 PM cradek: here is an example http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/12638/focus=12642
04:05 PM cradek: wow 10 years ago
04:06 PM XXCoder: 8
04:06 PM cradek: 9.2ish
04:07 PM XXCoder: post date 2010
04:07 PM XXCoder: trump is still president so its not 2020 yet
04:09 PM XXCoder: Date: Tuesday 27th July 2010 18:46:54 UTC (over 7 years ago)
04:10 PM cradek: Date: Wednesday 4th February 2009 13:41:50 UTC (over 9 years ago)
04:11 PM cradek: are you looking at the gmane link I pasted? this is what it says for me
04:14 PM XXCoder: yeah its on left.
04:14 PM XXCoder: when you open a post it says above date
04:14 PM XXCoder: 2009 to now still isnt 10 years yet though
04:16 PM cradek: thank you and this is not important
04:16 PM gloops: lol
04:16 PM XXCoder: heh
04:17 PM XXCoder: graphed classic liquid drop shape
04:17 PM XXCoder: octaves pretty nice
04:18 PM gloops: how do you make the shapes? you need to know how to extrude it mathematically?
04:18 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsRCLKrvj2Q
04:18 PM XXCoder: you can graph 2d profile then export 3d data, import it and modify it
04:19 PM XXCoder: that basic "bumpy" is just z=sin(x)+cos(y)
04:20 PM gloops: hmm, looks good
04:25 PM gloops: that is basically the soap dish with the tops cut off as you say
04:25 PM XXCoder: not quite
04:25 PM XXCoder: there is some modifications
04:25 PM XXCoder: not sure what modifications is
04:26 PM XXCoder: https://octave.org/doc/v4.2.0/mesh.png pretty cool
04:30 PM gloops: i wonder if meshlab can do stuff like that
06:32 PM andypugh: Terrible YouTube click-bait, but I did giggle at “Halo Kitty” and “Popeye the Sailor Moon” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pakBEuIVTQA
07:14 PM lcvette: hello all
07:15 PM lcvette: how is everyone this fine evening?
07:15 PM CaptHindsight: howdy
07:16 PM lcvette: anyone in here running an ethernet mesa card?
07:17 PM lcvette: im setting up a 7i92 for the first time, actually setting up linuxcnc fior the first time and am having some trouble finding a foothold
07:17 PM CaptHindsight: please post the problem so people know what it is
07:18 PM andypugh: Yes, I have an Ethernet card sat behind me right now testing a servo drive
07:18 PM lcvette: ok, I have to change my network setting according to the mesaflash instructions to make the network static with an address of
07:19 PM lcvette: but when i follow the instructions i am getting a warning message that the text i entered is not correct
07:19 PM CaptHindsight: .seen t12
07:19 PM theCockerel: Sorry, I haven't seen t12 around.
07:19 PM lcvette: https://mesaus.com/info/7i92.txt
07:20 PM andypugh: I use the default as it happens
07:21 PM andypugh: What is the exact error message
07:21 PM lcvette: Ah, PCW told me pretty specifically i didn't want to do that
07:22 PM lcvette: um hang on let me snap a picture
07:22 PM andypugh: OK, trust him over me. He makes the cards
07:22 PM andypugh: pcw_home: <waves>
07:29 PM lcvette: yellow: Warning**: Set document metadata failed:setting attribute metadata: :gedit-encoding not supported
07:30 PM lcvette: ** (gedit:3709): Warning
07:31 PM andypugh: That’s rather odd
07:31 PM andypugh: Try sudo nano …
07:32 PM lcvette: just for curiousities sake, is this network setting something i can do through a more GUI friendly method? i dug around and found there was a network gui
07:32 PM lcvette: or is it not the same?
07:32 PM andypugh: nano doesn’t even have the concept of “encoding”
07:32 PM lcvette: sudo nano ...
07:33 PM lcvette: ok brb
07:33 PM lcvette: im running between shop and office
07:33 PM andypugh: if there is a network you should be able to ssh
07:37 PM Lcvette_: Ok, I typed that in and a new window opened but I'm not certain what I'm supposed to do with it
07:38 PM Lcvette_: Brought my tablet out in front of the machine
07:39 PM andypugh: Maybe I was too lazy
07:39 PM andypugh: My use of the elipsis was meant to indicate “whatever the file you are editing is called”
07:39 PM andypugh: Did you actually type the file name?
07:40 PM Lcvette_: No
07:40 PM andypugh: Sorry
07:41 PM Lcvette_: I'm very new to this.. assisting me will test your patience
07:41 PM Lcvette_: The file
07:42 PM Lcvette_: Originally was: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
07:43 PM andypugh: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
07:43 PM Lcvette_: Ok
07:43 PM Lcvette_: Thank you
07:45 PM Lcvette_: Hmmph.. despite the warnings, it is saved as I typed it in, if I typed it in correctly..
07:45 PM Lcvette_: I just added it under what was there which was:
07:46 PM Lcvette_: # the loopback network interface
07:46 PM Lcvette_: Auto lo
07:46 PM Lcvette_: Iface love inet loopback
07:46 PM Lcvette_: Lo* not love
07:47 PM andypugh: Which Linux version are you using?
07:47 PM Lcvette_: I added under it:
07:47 PM Lcvette_: Stretch
07:47 PM Lcvette_: Preempt rt
07:48 PM Lcvette_: That's what Peter said I had to use
07:48 PM Lcvette_: Because of the real time kennel it has for Ethernet
07:49 PM andypugh: Can you open a terminal and type “ip link show”
07:50 PM Lcvette_: Yes
07:51 PM Lcvette_: Want me to type it all?
07:51 PM andypugh: You should be able to copy and paste
07:52 PM andypugh: But the real question is if you see “Eth0” or something else
07:53 PM lcvette__: cpe-2606-A000-FEC8-3700-20F-B5FF-FE37-1460:~$ ip link show 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1 link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 2: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ether b8:ae:ed:37:14:60 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 3: wlx9cefd5fe2dd4: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAS
07:54 PM andypugh: OK, so your system is usong “enp3s0” rather than “Eth0” so subsitute one for the other in the example config from PCW
07:55 PM lcvette__: my wireless adapter doesnt work on this computer for some reason unknown yet so i have to unplug the 7i92 to connect the land ethernet internet cable
07:55 PM andypugh: (Debian has started to use “predictable” interface names, which is a good idea, but conflicts with older sets of instructions.
07:56 PM lcvette__: ok
07:56 PM andypugh: We can probably solve the WiFi problem too.
07:58 PM andypugh: The post from Skunkworks here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=131621&p=649030#p649030 magically made my USB WiFi adaptor work with LinuxCNC.
07:58 PM lcvette__: so if i change eth0 to enp3s0 in the gedit file im good?
07:59 PM lcvette__: and sweet to wife!!
07:59 PM lcvette__: wifi
07:59 PM lcvette__: ok.. lemme go in and rewrite that gedit
08:00 PM andypugh: You could use nano. I like nano, you know what you are getting.
08:01 PM andypugh: But it’s text mode, you move about with cursor keys and Ctrl-X to exit.
08:04 PM lcvette__: ah.. no wonder.. i have a touch screen and was trying to get a cursor in there and couldnt..lol
08:10 PM lcvette__: hris@cpe-2606-A000-FEC8-3700-20F-B5FF-FE37-1460:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart [....] Restarting networking (via systemctl): networking.serviceJob for networking.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status networking.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. failed!
08:11 PM lcvette__: that was after changing to enp3s0
08:13 PM andypugh: What do the suggested commands show?
08:19 PM lcvette__: im redoing it using nano
08:19 PM andypugh: Either _should_ work
08:20 PM lcvette__: trying to figure out how to save it in nano
08:21 PM lcvette__: or do i just exit
08:21 PM andypugh: Crl-X will ask if you want to save, and I think you say “Y”
08:21 PM andypugh: It gives you prompts
08:22 PM lcvette__: now it is asking stuff i dont know
08:22 PM pink_vampire: http://www.grasshopper3d.com/forum/topics/controlling-solidworks-with-grasshopper-using-excellink-and-excel
08:22 PM lcvette__: dos mac
08:22 PM lcvette__: append prepend
08:22 PM lcvette__: backup file
08:22 PM andypugh: Really? How odd
08:23 PM lcvette__: or once i hit y
08:23 PM lcvette__: am i done/
08:23 PM andypugh: I thought so
08:23 PM andypugh: I chose Nano to avoid all this wierdness
08:23 PM lcvette__: i hit enter and it went away
08:23 PM lcvette__: ok
08:24 PM lcvette__: what was that ip
08:24 PM lcvette__: test ip?
08:24 PM lcvette__: lost it when i switched to the linux controller
08:24 PM andypugh:, or
08:25 PM lcvette__: the ip check
08:25 PM lcvette__: or network check
08:25 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: I do that sort of thing all the time at work, though not with those end-points.
08:26 PM andypugh: As in, I link (current) Excel to other bits of software on my machine to achieve particular results.
08:26 PM andypugh: It’s a pretty useful package that way
08:26 PM lcvette__: where you found the enp3s0
08:27 PM pink_vampire: andypugh: are you using solidworks or rhino ?
08:27 PM andypugh: (I have one Excel macro that runs outomated tests on the engine dynos, but that us 20,000 lines of code and deletes all the normal Excel menus and creates new ones :-)
08:28 PM andypugh: lcvette: in your ip link show output
08:28 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: Neither. I use Inventor and Fusion.
08:29 PM pink_vampire: solidworks is very limited in organic shapes
08:29 PM pink_vampire: how is inventor?
08:30 PM andypugh: But here is a slicer that I wrote in VB for Inventor to drive a DLP printer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hefY46fyVvU&t=9s
08:30 PM lcvette__: is@cpe-2606-A000-FEC8-3700-20F-B5FF-FE37-1460:~$ ip link show 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1 link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 2: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ether b8:ae:ed:37:14:60 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 3: wlx9cefd5fe2dd4: <NO-CARRIER,BROAD
08:31 PM pink_vampire: andypugh: that is wayyyyy beyond me
08:31 PM lcvette__: i caught your new vids andy
08:31 PM andypugh: I don’t know what Inventor is like for organic shapes, I don’t tend to want to design them
08:31 PM lcvette__: pretty cool
08:32 PM pink_vampire: andypugh: i'm trying to make something similar to that
08:32 PM pink_vampire: http://community.carbide3d.com/uploads/default/original/2X/9/91bdf694fb22b168b695eedff86627357dc024a0.JPG
08:33 PM andypugh: I wouldn’t know where to start with that shape pink_vampire
08:33 PM andypugh: I make functional parts.
08:33 PM pink_vampire: it's a soap dish :)
08:33 PM andypugh: Yes, I am not disparaging it. I would _love_ to know how to model ttah.
08:34 PM pink_vampire: i try with solid
08:34 PM pink_vampire: but i can't find a way to do it
08:34 PM andypugh: Maybe a loft and pattern for the downs and the same for the ups?
08:35 PM lcvette__: yeah my thoughts exactly
08:35 PM pink_vampire: loft is not working
08:36 PM lcvette__: i used to know how to do it
08:36 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/wlLCWUH.png
08:36 PM pink_vampire: loft ^
08:36 PM lcvette__: i did it on some intak manifold runners
08:36 PM lcvette__: but it was about 5 years ago and its foggy
08:37 PM pink_vampire: intak manifold is easy
08:38 PM pink_vampire: here it need to be constant thickness like a surface
08:39 PM lcvette__: so was the cast manifold
08:39 PM lcvette__: it was quite organc in design
08:39 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: Fusion has direct modellling.
08:39 PM andypugh: You could try that
08:39 PM pink_vampire: i want to find a way in solid
08:42 PM andypugh: Let me know how you do it when you figure it out :-)
08:42 PM pink_vampire: i did some test
08:42 PM lcvette__: andy, have that wireless adapter link handy still?
08:43 PM andypugh: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=131621&p=649030#p649030
08:43 PM lcvette__: thanks!!
08:44 PM Tom_L: huh.. https://www.ostechnix.com/how-to-assign-multiple-ip-addresses-to-single-network-card-in-linux/
08:46 PM lcvette__: yeah that is confusing me
08:47 PM lcvette__: im thinking once my wireless is up and running i just need to remove everything except the static blurb and address since i won't want to use the thernet port for anything except the 7i92
08:47 PM andypugh: Yes
08:50 PM ziper: does "router" imply a general lack of rigidity
08:51 PM andypugh: It depends of you are talking about the woodworking machine or a networking device.
08:52 PM andypugh: I think this is the only forum on the whole internet where someone might have trouble with the router that controls their router.
08:52 PM andypugh: And it is tme for me to sleep.
09:11 PM lcvette__: can someone explain how i add this: [device] wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no to /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
09:12 PM ziper: use nano
09:12 PM ziper: or pico or something
09:12 PM lcvette__: ok
09:13 PM lcvette__: nano
09:15 PM lcvette__: says no such file or directory
09:15 PM lcvette__: same as the normal terminal
09:16 PM lcvette__: do i need to: sudo apt-get install networkmanager
09:21 PM lcvette__: that didn't work
09:23 PM pink_vampire: I DID IT!!!!! IN solidworks!!]
09:25 PM lcvette__: sweet
09:25 PM lcvette__: draft/
09:25 PM lcvette__: ?
09:25 PM lcvette__: loft?
09:25 PM pink_vampire: no
09:25 PM pink_vampire: surfaces
09:25 PM lcvette__: ah
09:25 PM pink_vampire: and few other tricks
09:25 PM ziper: whats the issue i'm a solidworks pro
09:26 PM pink_vampire: ziper: http://community.carbide3d.com/uploads/default/original/2X/9/91bdf694fb22b168b695eedff86627357dc024a0.JPG
09:26 PM pink_vampire: try to make it
09:26 PM lcvette__: im out.. problem will be there tomorrow
09:26 PM ziper: OK
09:26 PM lcvette__: night all
09:26 PM ziper: is this a race?
09:27 PM pink_vampire: it's a soap dish
09:27 PM pink_vampire: but i'm talking about the principal of a curvy surface with constant thickness
10:01 PM ziper: ok now i'm just pissed off
10:01 PM pink_vampire: why?
10:03 PM ziper: i think you know
10:03 PM pink_vampire: i told you..
10:03 PM pink_vampire: but i did it in solidworks
10:04 PM ziper: how
10:05 PM pink_vampire: i's still working on it
10:10 PM ziper: wanna see my horrible disgusting bodge job?
10:10 PM pink_vampire: yes
10:11 PM ziper: https://puu.sh/AgjdA/b9318340f2.jpg
10:11 PM pink_vampire: look better then my job
10:12 PM ziper: throw a couple fillets, a couple merges, baby you got a stew cooking
10:16 PM ziper: if I were better at doing the start/end constraints I think I could make that 100 percent
10:16 PM ziper: but it would be a lot of work
10:16 PM pink_vampire: i know
10:16 PM pink_vampire: but i think it is surface based
10:17 PM ziper: what do you mean
10:17 PM pink_vampire: to make it
10:17 PM pink_vampire: you must start with surface
10:18 PM ziper: to model it?
10:18 PM pink_vampire: yes
10:18 PM ziper: I didn't, I just used the thin feature loft
10:18 PM ziper: I wish I knew how to make the mesh
10:19 PM pink_vampire: with no mesh
10:23 PM Tecan-: http://netpipe.ca/?page_id=713 >> new section on toxic people
10:31 PM pink_vampire: I DID IT!!!!!
10:31 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/wthoAgT.png
10:31 PM pink_vampire: ziper: ^
10:32 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: ^
10:32 PM ziper: how
10:32 PM ziper: oh
10:32 PM ziper: OH
10:32 PM ziper: you did it the other way
10:32 PM ziper: why didnt I think of that
10:33 PM pink_vampire: it was fun to make it.
10:44 PM pink_vampire: any idea how to cut a carbide end mill?
10:46 PM Tom_L: cut or sharpen?
10:46 PM Tom_L: diamond
10:47 PM pink_vampire: to make from a double sided end mill a single side end mill
10:57 PM pink_vampire: the dremel wheel just become smaller
10:57 PM * dioz snickers
10:59 PM pink_vampire: hammer did the trick