#linuxcnc Logs
May 03 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:42 AM IchGucksLive: Morning from Germany
12:54 AM Aztec03 is now known as Panoptes
12:57 AM IchGucksLive: hi Panoptes
01:04 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
01:34 AM Deejay: moin
04:13 AM XXCoder: heys
05:18 AM jthornton: mornig
05:19 AM XXCoder: hey
05:21 AM jthornton: we are right on the edge of some heavy precip
05:21 AM XXCoder: it might actually rain here lol
05:34 AM Tom_L: morning
05:34 AM XXCoder: yo
05:35 AM jthornton: morning
05:35 AM jthornton: we just had some heavy rain for a few minutes
05:35 AM Tom_L: we had that last evening
05:35 AM Tom_L: supposedly stronger this afternoon
05:36 AM Tom_L: 90 mph wind gusts around salina iirc
05:36 AM jthornton: dang that's pretty bad wind
05:36 AM Tom_L: a bit sore today
05:36 AM XXCoder: ouch
05:37 AM Tom_L: had to pull the well and replace the pipe yesterday PM
05:38 AM jthornton: how deep is your well?
05:38 AM Tom_L: it's a sandpoint
05:38 AM Tom_L: so not very
05:38 AM Tom_L: like 20 ft
05:39 AM Tom_L: gettin ~30ish gpm now though
05:39 AM jthornton: mine is 75' deep IIRC
05:39 AM Tom_L: yeah we had property E of here that was around that but no longer have
05:40 AM Tom_L: in oil country. was drinkable but tasted like oil :D
05:41 AM Tom_L: yours must be cased if it's that deep
05:41 AM jthornton: yea I have a casing and a lower liner
05:42 AM jthornton: when I installed the pump I set the lower stabilizer too big and had to pull it back out
05:42 AM jthornton: damn heavy when full of water
05:57 AM Tom_L: yeah i know. i helped a friend pull his once
06:09 AM jthornton: I need to connect a photocell to the RPi and leave the lights on when it's still dark from clouds
06:34 AM jthornton: hmm the RPi doesn't have any analog inputs
06:43 AM pjm: jthornton, TSL2561 i2c light sensor, there is a rpi lib that supports it as well
06:44 AM jthornton: thanks
06:44 AM jthornton: i2c is great
07:03 AM Beachbumpete1: morning linuxcnc ;)
07:06 AM jthornton: morning Pete
07:09 AM Beachbumpete1: Hey JT howzitgoin?
07:09 AM jthornton: not bad, just had a line of thunderstorms roll through
07:23 AM Beachbumpete1: yeah we are supposed to have rain/tstorms this weekend. sucks because I wanted to take the family to Volcano Bay waterpark here in Orlando
07:46 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
07:46 AM IchGucksLive: downloading 18.04
07:53 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, did you got it solved with the wirer
07:57 AM IchGucksLive: im off tilll later
08:01 AM gregcnc_: is there a searchable log these days?
08:09 AM JT-Shop: you might try theCockeral
08:09 AM JT-Shop: .weather
08:09 AM theCockerel: I don't know where you live. Give me a location, like .weather London, or tell me where you live by saying .setlocation London, for example.
08:09 AM JT-Shop: .setlocation poplar bluff, mo
08:10 AM theCockerel: JT-Shop: I now have you at WOEID 2475160 (Poplar Bluff, Missouri, United States)
08:10 AM JT-Shop: .weather
08:10 AM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Poplar Bluff, MO, US: Heavy Rain, 21°C (69°F), Humidity: 81%, Fresh breeze 8.0m/s (↑)
08:20 AM JT-Shop: .help
08:20 AM theCockerel: I've posted a list of my commands at https://ptpb.pw/sriB - You can see more info about any of these commands by doing .help <command> (e.g. .help time)
08:20 AM JT-Shop: .help search
08:20 AM theCockerel: JT-Shop: Searches Bing and Duck Duck Go.
08:20 AM theCockerel: JT-Shop: e.g. .search sopel bot
08:21 AM JT-Shop: .search howzitgoing?
08:21 AM theCockerel: JT-Shop: - (b), https://howzitgoing.tumblr.com/ (d)
08:21 AM JT-Shop: .search bot thunderstorms
08:21 AM theCockerel: JT-Shop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outflow_boundary (b), https://www.ready.gov/thunderstorms-lightning (d)
08:21 AM JT-Shop: hmm
08:22 AM gregcnc_: searches the web?
08:22 AM JT-Shop: it should search the bot too, but I'm not sorting that out
08:22 AM JT-Shop: .seen phipli
08:22 AM theCockerel: JT-Shop: I last saw phipli at 2018-04-29 - 20:02:05 in here, saying we have a special system - the gate clanks loudly when someone opens it
09:57 AM devlap: ich left
10:23 AM devlap: Just fired up the mill. My current status is, X/Y working good. Z is only traveling up. I've done the wiring thrice but still it only goes up.
10:29 AM SpeedEvil: 'bing' 'operator please crank z axis down' 'program resumed'
10:29 AM devlap: AL scripts are fun. Attach electrodes directly to male brain and vary height according to shock intensity.
11:25 AM gloops: oo random small parcel, wonder what it is
11:28 AM gloops: no idea at all what it is, must be someone elses
11:31 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:32 AM Beachbumpete1: Hey ich
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, im here
11:35 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, kay burly saying records gone be broken
11:37 AM gloops: which records Ichs? she won broadcaster of the year yesterday
11:38 AM devlap: hey IchGucksLive. I got x y and z moving. Z is not 100% working. Only goes up.
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: i see
11:39 AM IchGucksLive: ok first to my information DID you drive XY to oposit directions SAME time to check real world
11:40 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, can you upload / PASTE the INI file of your setup
11:40 AM devlap: sure
11:41 AM devlap: What I did on the steppers was wire DIR+ / PUL+ to BOB +5V. Then DIR- to CW and PUL- CLK
11:42 AM IchGucksLive: Wright
11:42 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, on all 3 YOC355
11:42 AM devlap: I actually have 4 but yea
11:42 AM devlap: All the same.
11:43 AM devlap: When we changed my stepper dips, we set the steps to 200/2 and the decay to 100% right?
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: 400 100%
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, we then need to calculate
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, First is all moving correct
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, then we get the best out of it
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, plese paste the INI TEXT to https://pastebin.com/ EXposer to 10minutes
11:46 AM devlap: im trying
11:47 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, on Linux you can select all by mouse then all selected is on the Middle mouse boutton when klickeng to
11:48 AM devlap: yea the problem is the linuxcnc box being slow atm.
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, or simple TRG A STRG C StrG V
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, if you HAVE used the X to close the AXIS or programm plese Restart
11:49 AM IchGucksLive: you are on a REAL TIME System that claims VIEW
11:49 AM devlap: https://pastebin.com/ew07DaJ3
11:50 AM Panoptes is now known as Aztec03
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, the ini is ok
11:51 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, take the Meter as Yesterday
11:51 AM devlap: not sure what you mean
11:52 AM IchGucksLive: 20V Mesurment get the Z DIR PIN RED cable and the Black Digital Gnd
11:52 AM devlap: Oh the uhh
11:52 AM devlap: Yea one sec.
11:52 AM IchGucksLive: MOVE the Z
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: shoudt change Value 0 to 4V
11:53 AM devlap: So DIR+ and DIR- on the Z while moving.
11:53 AM devlap: And try not to crash it while doing so. heh
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: devlap, NO
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: DIR+ Red Cable
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: PCGND Black
11:54 AM devlap: I don't have cables anymore.
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: ok
11:54 AM devlap: So what would PCGND be.
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: 5V ground
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: USB GND
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: on the BOB there is a PCGnd pin
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: Next to pin1 outwards
11:56 AM gloops: could be loose driver - motor wire
11:56 AM devlap: ok so do I want Z DIR - or DIR +
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: firstr Zdir *
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: reading 5V
11:57 AM devlap: DIR+ is tied to 5V
11:58 AM devlap: DIR - is I guess CW so measure CW and PCGND
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: then Z Dir - PCGnd reading According to movement change
11:58 AM devlap: ok
12:00 PM fragalot: 'sup
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: fragalot, max jitter in the WLAN
12:00 PM devlap: not sure where pcgnd is let me look at the reference again
12:00 PM gloops: output pins
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: on the BOB the 3rd from right
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: First and second is 5V PC
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: then it is PCGND
12:01 PM devlap: big header under B axis third from right
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: the clamps
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: yes Baxis
12:04 PM devlap: I see just 4.6V steady
12:04 PM devlap: no change when jogging
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: at DIR+
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: what at dir-
12:05 PM devlap: uhm I think i was at the right one.
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: ok so to my Understanding you did now Wirer to the Terminal Block no more CRIMP
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: or from CRIMP to the Driver YOC355
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: the Z dir- must be on PIN 7
12:07 PM devlap: Ok so DIR -
12:07 PM fragalot: IchGucksLive: who what where what when why wlan?
12:07 PM devlap: it goes 0 in one direction and 4.6 in the other
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, Wiering is ok
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: THEN Your Stepper Phases are Wrong
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, COLOR ?
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, RED BLUE BLACK Green
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: A+ A- B+ B-
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, POWER Down BEVOR Touching the CABLE
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, it will kill the Driver if one is LOOSE
12:10 PM devlap: I didn't touch these every, and this worked before.
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: is there a PLUG on the YOC355 for the stepper
12:11 PM devlap: yea B- B+ A- A+
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: PLESE Unplug it and use the METER
12:12 PM devlap: It goes into the back of the case which i think its a four pin din
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: Mesurer OHM 2
12:12 PM fragalot: IchGucksLive: My cnc table is done. :-) solid cast iron plate, 10mm precision holes for alignment pins, with M8 thread at the bottom, and flat to DIN/00 standards: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mQhFcuqh12-OPIcWSXFPrHmFDr3_TCfA
12:12 PM devlap: Ok what should I measure across
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: B initself
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: and A initself
12:14 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, they shoudt read nearly the same 1.6 - 2.5
12:14 PM devlap: Everything is off, I read infinity ohms across A+- and also on B+-
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: mesurment around 2
12:15 PM devlap: I'm in ohms mode, on 200/continuity, the lowest my ohms mode goes. I see infinite ohms. Again everything is powered off.
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: ok so gussing all ok
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, now we need to see the HAL
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: abtest.hal
12:18 PM devlap: https://pastebin.com/qa1DG62Y
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, i said not to configurate the Switches
12:20 PM devlap: What switches?
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: the HAL file contains limit switch configuration
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: there is also a Estop
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: net estop-ext <= parport.0.pin-10-in-not
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: net both-z <= parport.0.pin-15-in-not
12:22 PM devlap: Oh ok. they aren't wired anyways.
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: net both-z => axis.2.neg-lim-sw-in
12:22 PM devlap: I don't have stops.
12:22 PM gloops: BREAKING: Masked gunman opens fire in Paris -
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: but the config interfears your movement
12:22 PM devlap: I removed it, its doing the same thing.
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: ok the Reading of your meter showes the pin is changng
12:23 PM devlap: All my pin 10-15 is unused. Except 14. which is motor enable.
12:23 PM devlap: Yea dir was chaning 0 in one way, 4.6+ to the other.
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: Generated by stepconf 1.1 at Mon Dec 31 19:45:32 2007
12:23 PM devlap: Assuming the stepper uses pcgnd as reference.
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: you may gave me the wrong HAL
12:24 PM devlap: No you have the right one.
12:24 PM devlap: No date/time was set on the box.
12:24 PM devlap: Thats what slowed me down, I put in the right date this morning, and it went all wonky until I rebooted.
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: ok but my problem is wirer ok SETup may also
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, can you open axis
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: with the mashine TEST AB
12:26 PM devlap: I only have the one machine, TESTA, and I'm in the axis jog screen
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: goto mashine MENUE
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: HAL_show
12:27 PM devlap: Uhh this is in stepconf?
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: NO
12:27 PM gloops: haha
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: the REALK mashine Linuxcnc programm
12:28 PM gloops: you can also find hal and ini in the cnc folder
12:28 PM devlap: hal configuration is open
12:28 PM gloops: in the folder for TESTA
12:29 PM gloops: sorry to interrupt anyway
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, it has to be the STEPPER
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, can you change /Swap Z and Y Stepepr plug
12:30 PM devlap: sure.
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: THE stepper not the Signals
12:30 PM gloops: devalp try this - change the scale in the INI file, z axis
12:30 PM gloops: SCALE = -80
12:31 PM gloops: if Ichs consents lol
12:31 PM gloops: if it moves the other way, you know its not the stepper motor
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, we need to check the Hardware as the pin DIR is correct changing voltige
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, can / Are You willing to help him i got guests alredy here i want to be with
12:32 PM devlap: Ok so y moving z works, and z moving y makes it only go one direction
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: then it is the STEPPER
12:33 PM devlap: weird it would go bad
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: CHANGE it BACK WITH NO POWER
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: Z Unpluged MESURER the Phases
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: DO not power the YOC355 without stepepr
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: there is a L297 Clone inside that does not make it to ONE powerfail
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: same as the BLUE Tb6560
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, YOU said you got 4 Drivers
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, use the 4th DRiver
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: to see if the yoc355 is correct or the Stepepr one is broken
12:37 PM gloops: sorry was on phone, im around anyway, can try to suggest things
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, he switched Y Z stepers to driver
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: and the Stepper where Moving
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: OH then the Driver is Broken
12:39 PM gloops: looking like wiring from driver to motor, or the driver itself
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: i guess the Driver dident make it
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: some fail power
12:40 PM gloops: absolutely sure no wires are loose? did you put one the wrong side of the clamp so it looks like its in?
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: as i had in the early 90th lots of breaks on l297
12:40 PM devlap: Ive rewired it a copule of times.
12:40 PM devlap: So all I did was swap dins on the back for the y and z motors.
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, use the 4th DRIVER you got to the Z
12:40 PM gloops: no yes
12:40 PM devlap: Yea I think I will.
12:40 PM gloops: oops lol
12:40 PM gloops: yes
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8 Friends
12:40 PM devlap: So the z driver was on y motor and y driver on z motor
12:41 PM devlap: So the z driver must be fubarish
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, use the TB6600
12:41 PM devlap: But I'm still a tiny skeptical of it going bad.
12:41 PM devlap: I don't have a TB6600 or a case that fits it.
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: its the same
12:42 PM devlap: Well if I ever decide I want to use the 4th axis again I just might.
12:42 PM gloops: ive got 4 spares lol
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC2.A0.H0.Xtb6600.TRS0&_nkw=tb6600&_sacat=0
12:42 PM devlap: I think I can live with XYZ only for now.
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: up to you
12:42 PM devlap: I can get one delivered monday.
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, devlap if it runs correct
12:43 PM gloops: rotary axis is only slow, tb6600 would be fine, £7
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: THEN change SCALE
12:43 PM devlap: whats the scale change for?
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, CAN you give me a pitch
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: is ther Ballscrew 1605
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: is the Steper direct mounted
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: or a Timingbelt
12:44 PM devlap: direct
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: pulley ?
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: Leadscrew is ?
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: XYZ the Same
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, ?
12:46 PM devlap: One second
12:46 PM devlap: they are direct
12:46 PM devlap: the screw is a ball screw, its uhh i think 16mm and 5mm pitch
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: ok
12:46 PM devlap: I think.
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: SO CHANGE DIP to 800STEPS
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: in Stepconf it is then 200 / 4
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: in the ini it is 160
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: SCALE
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: then you are up
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: Perfect
12:47 PM devlap: for all axis?
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: REMEMBER DIP Change with full disconnect USB and PARPORT
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: YES X Y Z
12:48 PM devlap: I don't go in electronics unless they are in a full zero power state.
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: IM off gloops take it your way
12:48 PM devlap: TB6600 on amazon.
12:48 PM gloops: ok Ichs, ill hold the fort
12:48 PM devlap: can get it here monday cool.
12:49 PM devlap: 3 pack even cooler.
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, https://www.amazon.com/KNACRO-%E3%80%90Upgraded-Version%E3%80%91TB6600-Segments-Suitable/dp/B073NZBDNH/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1525369668&sr=8-2&keywords=tb6600
12:49 PM devlap: yea I saw the knacro
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: take the nearest PRIME
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: BYE
12:51 PM devlap: thanks ich
12:51 PM gloops: so everything working ok now then devlap?
12:51 PM devlap: uhm
12:52 PM devlap: Whats the scale setting he was taking about?
12:52 PM gloops: ini file
12:52 PM gloops: SCALE
12:53 PM devlap: Also I don't have an 800 dip
12:53 PM devlap: I have 200 400 1600 and 3200
12:53 PM devlap: I'm set to 400 now.
12:53 PM gloops: SCALE is steps per UNIT
12:54 PM gloops: UNIT = whatever you choose, metric mm, or inch
12:54 PM gloops: im a bit tired for this atm, but lemme see
12:54 PM gloops: what microsteps have you set on dipswitches?
12:54 PM gloops: 400 ok
12:55 PM devlap: yea so I have 4 options, im in the second lowest option , 400.
12:55 PM devlap: He said 800 but I dont have that.
12:55 PM gloops: 5mm of travel per ROTATION, 400 steps per ROTATION
12:56 PM gloops: 80 steps per UNIT (mm)
12:56 PM gloops: SCALE = 80
12:56 PM gloops: which you have
12:58 PM gloops: if you change the scale value from + to - direction will change sides
01:00 PM gloops: a quick check of the travel now should see accurate response
01:00 PM gloops: jog 5mm - measure
01:02 PM devlap: ok rebooting linuxcnc real quick and swapping around the axis properly.
01:04 PM gloops: you know if you make any changes to ini or hal you need to save the changes and reboot linuxcnc , before the changes take effect
01:06 PM Spirit532_ is now known as Spirit532
01:06 PM devlap: Ok so scale is already set to 80 here
01:06 PM gloops: yes i noticed that when you posted the ini file
01:06 PM gloops: so you filled in stepconfig right
01:10 PM devlap: hmm
01:11 PM gloops: once you get to know a bit about the ini and hal, you wont use stepconfig much again
01:14 PM devlap: A Axis steeper board light isnt lit.
01:14 PM gloops: i thought you werent using that axis?
01:15 PM devlap: I need a Z driver.
01:15 PM devlap: So I went to go use the A driver.
01:15 PM devlap: And the A driver light isn't lit.
01:16 PM devlap: I assume that led is like a power status im turned on basic operation led?
01:16 PM gloops: are the other working ones lit?
01:17 PM devlap: X Y Z are lit yea.
01:17 PM devlap: guess im shipping two knarcos.
01:17 PM gloops: you know, im suspecting something else here
01:18 PM MarcelineVQ: drivers tend to have two lights at least, one to say there's power, one to say there's activity.
01:18 PM gloops: i think you have grounds issues somewhere
01:18 PM gloops: or MAY have
01:18 PM devlap: I've never used or tested the A axis.
01:18 PM devlap: So I don't know that it has ever functioned.
01:19 PM devlap: I did run X Y Z like a year ago on usb to test.
01:20 PM gloops: quickest way is to use mulitmeter, see whats getting power and signals
01:21 PM devlap: yea hmm weird.
01:21 PM devlap: Why do you think there is a ground issue.
01:22 PM gloops: i know from experience ground problems can cause things like this with drivers
01:22 PM gloops: try powering off the A and back on when you get a minute
01:24 PM devlap: ill give it a shot.
01:24 PM devlap: i got two stepper drivers coming anyways
01:24 PM devlap: I need to break for lunch im fangry
01:24 PM devlap: or is it hangry i never remember
01:25 PM gloops: one thing with these snags - its good learning
01:26 PM gregcnc_: some ambition here https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1260359869/swissmak-the-mill-turn-center-for-your-machine-sho
01:28 PM MarcelineVQ: gregcnc_: for sure. that came up just recently, iirc issues noted were exposed alu ways and exposed screws, rigidity concerns for cutting anything harder than alu
01:29 PM MarcelineVQ: Still seems like a step in the right direction for the home gamer but hard to say if it'll go anywhere
01:30 PM MarcelineVQ: syyl noted they ways should at least have wipers as an easy addition
01:30 PM fragalot: MarcelineVQ: what's this?
01:31 PM gregcnc_: oh I missed it here.
01:32 PM MarcelineVQ: fragalot: gregcnc_
01:32 PM MarcelineVQ: 's link
01:32 PM MarcelineVQ: bbl :>
01:34 PM gregcnc_: plastic nuts on the lead screws
01:34 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: self lubricating :P
01:35 PM fragalot: and if those ways are hard anodised, they would last quite a long time
01:38 PM fragalot: 2600usd for the 3axis version is not a bad price, if they actually deliver
01:39 PM gregcnc_: there is a cnczone thread
01:39 PM fragalot: Hell i'd have gotten the mill turn kit had I not started my build already..
01:44 PM gloops: any eta for the mill yet fragalot?
01:45 PM fragalot: gloops: postponed until the rf45 is fixed
01:46 PM gloops: :/
01:46 PM fragalot: going to rig something up to take the milling head & column off of it tomorrow, and call around to see when/where I could get the base milled flat
01:46 PM fragalot: if i'm lucky i'll get to do it this weekend.. if not. later. :)
01:47 PM gregcnc_: Ah it' looked familiar. he was on PM a couple years ago asking about spindle design
01:51 PM gregcnc_: I see that kickstarter as failing already. The guy is trying to get quotes on new mills at this time, and complaining dealers can't give firm delivery dates
01:52 PM gloops: oversubscribed already?
02:36 PM gloops: real trend i wonder? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Trend-Router-Bit-1-4-shank-V-Groove-45-deg-12-7-mm-1-2-inch-dia-TCT-New/253542974252?
02:38 PM gloops: there is no flat bottom on the cheapo chino v bits i noticed
02:43 PM Loetmichel: hmm, MarkusBec smoked up one of his DC-servos... luckily i have a big "junk pile" in the shop... hope it helps him when he picks it up tomorrow... the bearings doesent sound THAT great after 8 or so years of storage... -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMRnjLo5iu0
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: what control software does it run?
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: https://odriverobotics.com/
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: https://github.com/madcowswe/ODrive
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: at least they use a STM32 for the controller
02:54 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: That looks like a cool little drive.
02:55 PM XXCoder: demos is very fast
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: it seems they have cleverly hidden the part number from easy view in the pics and on their wiki
02:55 PM XXCoder: they have BOM
02:56 PM XXCoder: https://github.com/madcowswe/ODriveHardware/blob/master/v3/v3.3docs/BOM_v3.3.csv
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: STM32F405RGT6
02:57 PM XXCoder: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzz7XVEK6YNIOqH0jAz51F5VUpc-lJEs3mmkWP1H4Y/edit#gid=0
02:57 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32f405rg.html
02:58 PM CaptHindsight: The SwissMak would weigh over 1200 pounds (550 kilograms) if it were made from cast iron rather than aluminum.
02:58 PM CaptHindsight: gee, then why would all those CNC machines use iron?
02:59 PM SpeedEvil: haven't you heard of 'big iron' ?
02:59 PM gloops: iron is out
02:59 PM CaptHindsight: fools!
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: "This machine uses a 3d printer control board (Duet) which gives you several options for a UI software to jog the machine axes, control auxiliary functions (solenoids, valves ect) and run GCode programs. For the video parts, we used Repetier Host since it's intuitive to people who run 3d printers. "
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: SpeedEvil: thats for old people that live in the past
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: iron hah!
03:03 PM rmu: aluminium ways?
03:03 PM SpeedEvil: rmu: with air bearing - why not?
03:03 PM rmu: that can't be good
03:03 PM gloops: aluminium - for everything
03:03 PM rmu: wear
03:03 PM XXCoder: heh air bearing is so wasted on alum ways
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: it has air bearings?
03:04 PM SpeedEvil: CaptHindsight: I mean in principle.
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: I only skimmed through the not really clear info
03:04 PM SpeedEvil: You could imagine air bearing on crappy way material that is flat.
03:04 PM rmu: hydrostatic airbearings ;-)
03:04 PM SpeedEvil: As long as you're very diligent on keeping chips out.
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: i would imagine a parts replicator
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: with beutiful music
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: and dancing faeries
03:05 PM XXCoder: Comment in hawaii may ban sunscreen because it's killing reef: "of course, it's FULL OF CHEMICALS!". Me: "So, what is yours made from? liquidified spacetime?"
03:05 PM gloops: aluminium is almost as common as sand
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: but I can't seem to get anyone to cooperate
03:06 PM XXCoder: gloops: not really, slicia is WAYYY more common
03:06 PM gloops: XXCoder aluminium is about 1/3rd the earths mass isnt it?
03:07 PM rmu: aluminium is very common, but most is not very useful to convert into the "metal" form
03:07 PM XXCoder: The mass-abundance of the nine most abundant elements in the Earth's crust is approximately: oxygen 46%, silicon 28%, aluminum 8.2%, iron 5.6%, calcium 4.2%, sodium 2.5%, magnesium 2.4%, potassium 2.0%, and titanium 0.61%.
03:07 PM fragalot: hard anodised alu would actually be very hard wearing for ways
03:07 PM CaptHindsight: TiO2 is very catalytic, hurts fish
03:07 PM fragalot: the main thing that would be the issue si that a) it's not hard anodised
03:08 PM fragalot: b) it's still alu underneath which isn't the most rigid of materials :P
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: a few Kg hammer made of TiO2 could hard or kill most people
03:08 PM gloops: ahh, 3rd most common yes
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: hard/harm
03:08 PM rmu: fragalot: and of course hard anodising does not preserve dimensions very accurately
03:08 PM XXCoder: gloops: yeah and far below silicon
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: it's a swiss cheese screw machine
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: read the fine print
03:08 PM rmu: then you would have how much? 70µ or something hard coat?
03:09 PM fragalot: rmu: just compensate in software :D
03:09 PM XXCoder: why not adonize all way though, then refinish it to be more accurate :P aka artifical gem ways
03:09 PM gloops: or use iron
03:10 PM fragalot: I'd prefer steel
03:10 PM rmu: XXCoder: i think apple tried that with iphone displays and couldn't make it work
03:10 PM gloops: steel is iron
03:10 PM XXCoder: yep
03:10 PM fragalot: no it isn't
03:10 PM fragalot: steel is an alloy containing iron
03:10 PM XXCoder: majority of it is iron
03:10 PM gloops: its largely iron
03:11 PM rmu: steel is iron, but iron is not necessarily steel ;)
03:11 PM gloops: even iron has carbon content
03:11 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: I thought it was iron that contained other metals :)
03:13 PM gloops: im finding decoupage tutorials on youtube can be quite erotic
03:16 PM JT-Shop: so I ask the accounting clerk to change my address and she must be on the rag today she replies We pay by ACH! not to the mailing address... fine but the 1099 still got mailed to the old address and this is the third time I've tried to get it changed at Briggs and Stratton
03:18 PM XXCoder: jt how recently did you move?
03:18 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: seems most sane smart people have all gone somewhere else and left us with with the accounting clerks and similar
03:19 PM CaptHindsight: looks like the CNC control software and GUI are afterthoughts for the swiss cheese machine
03:20 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: someones working on arc motion approxations for reprap firmware
03:21 PM XXCoder: I find that its funny, since linuxcnc had it for long while
03:21 PM XXCoder: thats the current state of firmwares there
03:21 PM fragalot: XXCoder: big difference in cpu power
03:21 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, anything but LCNC seems to be the motto
03:21 PM XXCoder: lcnc dont have couple gcode but yeah
03:22 PM fragalot: an 8bit microcontroller running at 6 or 16Mhz is not going to do what a 32 or 64bit cpu running at 1Ghz+ does
03:22 PM JT-Shop: I moved the business when my partner died a year ago...
03:22 PM XXCoder: fragalot: only matters if 8 bit cpu and thats dying out
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: "we can almost do many things"
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: worn like a badge of honor
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: "I nearly did it!"
03:22 PM gloops: we're all at the mercy of these soulless bean counters
03:22 PM fragalot: XXCoder: you say that, but there are a LOT fo them still produced
03:23 PM fragalot: the entry level to 32bit ARM chips is still quite a bit more complex than an 8bit mcu
03:23 PM JT-Shop: XXCoder: no, it's only been 10 months
03:23 PM CaptHindsight: "not nearly revolutionizing manufacturing"
03:23 PM fragalot: back when I programmed 8bitters, the manual was like 2 binders
03:23 PM fragalot: for the ARM chips there is a binder for every single piece of functionality on it.. and there is a LOT of functionality there :D
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: I really want to get involved in an open source project that can nearly do something
03:24 PM fragalot: lol
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: open to suggestions
03:25 PM CaptHindsight: "Almost Made It!"
03:25 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: cnc controller system integrity
03:25 PM fragalot: "it SHOULD have moved there, but it didn't"
03:25 PM Rab: KiCad can nearly do curvy traces.
03:26 PM fragalot: anyway - i'm off.. ttyl :-)
03:27 PM rmu: those newfangled cortex m arm thingies are very cool indeed
03:28 PM rmu: stm f4 or f7 should be even fast enough for linuxcnc-type motion control
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: sure, someone should rewrite LCNC to run on STM32's and the GUI on something cheap affordable and rugged
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: any volunteers?
03:30 PM rmu: don't think all too much rewriting would be needed
03:31 PM rmu: linux is running on stmf7
03:31 PM CaptHindsight: where have i heard that before?
03:31 PM rmu: i didn't say i'm gonna do that
03:32 PM gloops: where is linuxcnc going next?
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: then again "too much" is subjective
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: me neither
03:32 PM gloops: easier? faster?
03:32 PM rmu: one problem is that the stm FPUs are only single precision
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: oh well back to work
03:32 PM methods_: hehe
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: poof <mild odor of mothballs and vicks>
03:39 PM Deejay: gn8
04:22 PM rene-dev: rmu: depends on the stm. some are dual precision.
04:23 PM rene-dev: rmu: and single precision is ok for most things.
04:24 PM rene-dev: and even if you do double precision with single precision fpu, its still faster than softfp, as the fpu still helps.
05:25 PM ziper: would linuxCNC be usable on a filament winding machine?
05:30 PM JT-Shop: you only need HAL for that
05:30 PM JT-Shop: look at the stepper winder http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/examples.html
05:33 PM SpeedEvil: I guess it depends if he means something that makes on size of pipe,or hand-knits flanges
05:33 PM ziper: just paipes
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: .setlocation Santas Workshop, North Pole
06:05 PM theCockerel: CaptHindsight: I now have you at WOEID 2461487 (North Pole, Alaska, United States)
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: .weather
06:05 PM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - North Pole, AK, US: Mostly Cloudy, 8°C (46°F), Humidity: 31%, Gentle breeze 4.9m/s (↖)
06:13 PM Tom_L: not sleddin weather
06:15 PM CaptHindsight: ho ho ho
06:30 PM enleth: https://i.imgur.com/yuE9S9I.jpg got the new chuck cleaned, installed and re-faced
06:31 PM enleth: it was somewhat banged up, so I skimmed 0.5mm from the face
06:31 PM enleth: the OD is 0.1mm out of center, definitely close enough as far as balance at high RPM is concerned
06:32 PM enleth: but I'll probably skim it too, just of the looks
06:33 PM enleth: (face plane was perpendicular to the axis of rotation within 0.01mm measured close to the edge even before skimming it)
06:34 PM enleth: the non-concentricity of the OD with the axis is caused by the adapter, it doesn't register with the chuck perfectly, there's a very slight amount of play in
06:34 PM enleth: but that's not a huge deal for a 4-jaw
08:00 PM skunkworks: So - I still seem to go acad -> freecad to create the 3d model -> cura.. I need to get away from the acad step
09:04 PM Aztec03 is now known as Panoptes
10:19 PM hazzy-dev: skunkworks: I have been using SolveSpace almost exclusively for modeling parts to print
10:19 PM hazzy-dev: it is not nearly as advanced as FreeCAD, but is is much more intuitive to use and most of the parts I print are just proof of concept so don't need to have lofts or variable radius fillets and the like
10:21 PM hazzy-dev: I recently changed from Cura to Slic3r, and have come to really like it
11:07 PM nallar is now known as Ross