#linuxcnc Logs

May 02 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:34 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
12:40 AM IchGucksLive: guten morgen holzjunkie
12:49 AM TurBoss: morning
12:49 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
12:49 AM IchGucksLive: getting a nice day here in germany
12:51 AM jesseg_ is now known as jesseg
01:02 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
01:39 AM Deejay: moin
02:12 AM selroc: hi
04:50 AM jthornton: morning
04:50 AM XXCoder: hey
04:52 AM jthornton: gotta get the tin screwed down today for the run overhang... rain starting tonight
04:53 AM XXCoder: tin fun
05:24 AM jthornton: chickens are restless this morning...
05:25 AM jthornton: I hope I don't get any call outs today so I can finish the modifications to the two shafts and get them installed
05:35 AM Tom_L: why are they all upset?
05:35 AM Tom_L: weather?
05:35 AM XXCoder: mods to abode? ;)
05:35 AM jthornton: dunno maybe they just woke up early
05:36 AM jthornton: .weather
05:36 AM theCockerel: Yahoo! Weather - Poplar Bluff, MO, US: Mostly Cloudy, 17°C (62°F), Humidity: 73%, Moderate breeze 6.3m/s (↑)
05:36 AM Tom_L: round 1 missed us
05:37 AM Tom_L: 72F, humidity 90%
05:40 AM jthornton: spend all day yesterday at the plastic injection factory... they put my control on line Saturday for 1/2 the plant and it seems like some of the inputs from the presses bounce a lot so I had to change the code in the plc to reject any extra inputs
05:40 AM XXCoder: so basically add debounce eh
05:41 AM jthornton: no, it had a rising edge on the input
05:41 AM jthornton: the input would go on off on off on off on off each time it would add itself to the queue
05:42 AM XXCoder: doh
05:42 AM jthornton: I had to code it so once a press was in the queue reject any more inputs from that press until the fill cycle was complete
05:42 AM XXCoder: why does it do that?
05:43 AM jthornton: the factory inputs are a magnet on a flapper that bounces around inside the hopper
05:43 AM jthornton: when the press sucks out material it makes the flapper move lol
05:47 AM XXCoder: interesting. kinda reminds me of that reserant icemaker thing
05:47 AM XXCoder: ice ould hit lever, making more ice come out
05:47 AM XXCoder: it would ponentally drain entire ice bin
05:56 AM jthornton: that's a bad design lol
05:57 AM jthornton: only 18 minutes of extra light today... can't wait until extra light is not needed to see if my code works correctly
05:59 AM rene-dev: Linuxcnc meeting in germany: https://doodle.com/poll/rrzknkwiaukwgrar
06:07 AM XXCoder: yeah
07:29 AM IchGucksLive: hi all from a not so sunny germany
07:40 AM IchGucksLive: till later
07:57 AM Beachbumpete1: Morning linuxcnc
07:59 AM Tecan-: moin moin
08:00 AM Beachbumpete1: hehe
08:02 AM pjm: btw the auto touch off axis selection based on last axis move is genius! great to have that implemented !!
08:15 AM markus_: Hi, jemand da der mir mit gmoccapy und dem Thema Button weiterhelfen möchte?
08:18 AM rene-dev: markus_ was willst du denn wissen
08:20 AM markus_: Hi Ich hab mir soweit einen 2. Reiter mit 6 zusätzlichen Buttons im vorschaubereich erzeugt.
08:21 AM markus_: Nun möchte ich diese mit subroutinen verknüpfen und stehe auf dem schlauch
08:22 AM rene-dev: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gmoccapy.html#gmoccapy:macros
08:22 AM markus_: in der gmoccapy_postgui.hal habe ich net touchoffxy halui.mdi-command-01 < Button.touchoffxy eingetragen
08:22 AM rene-dev: ja
08:23 AM rene-dev: wenn unten auch ok is, kann gmoccapy die buttons selber anlegen
08:23 AM markus_: Ja, die MAcros habe ich gefunden und die funktionieren auch. sind blos zuwenige
08:23 AM rene-dev: ah
08:23 AM rene-dev: ja, dann geht das irgendwie über pinne
08:23 AM rene-dev: oder aus python raus, das hab ich aber beides noch nicht gemacht... was willst du denn im endeffekt erreichen?
08:24 AM markus_: Einfach nur button drücken und subroutine alla O100.ngc aufrufen
08:24 AM syyl: sprache!
08:25 AM syyl: sry ;)
08:26 AM markus_: Sorry my problem is howwto connect a custum button with a subroutine ex. O100.ngc
08:30 AM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/m-code.html#mcode:m100-m199
08:33 AM jthornton: opps I gave you the wrong link
08:33 AM jthornton: markus_: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/o-code.html
08:36 AM markus_: Sorry but thats is clear. I have e running axis system with 11 subroutine calls in the [HALUI] section. Some o--files some M-routines.
08:37 AM markus_: In gmoccapy i have already set ub a custom pannel with buttons.
08:38 AM markus_: the question is how to connect the botton with the subroutine call?
08:39 AM markus_: in axis this was done custom_postgui.hal for ex. "net remote-o101 halui.mdi-command-00 <= pyvcp.o101"
08:41 AM markus_: I hav now in gmoccapc_postgui.hal this but it did not work : "net touchoffxy halui.mdi-command-01 < Button.touchoffxy"
08:47 AM rene-dev: I think gmoccapy has hal pins for the macros
08:51 AM cpresser: cant you just use halui with gmoccapy?
08:51 AM * cpresser thinks he is missing something here, cause it sounds to simple
09:13 AM * JT-Shop can't even spell gemopappy
09:15 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
09:16 AM IchGucksLive: markus_, Noch Da
09:19 AM IchGucksLive: markus_, MDI_COMMAND = o<touchoffxy> call
09:22 AM IchGucksLive: markus_, und dann die touchoffxy.ngc ausführbar in den nc_fileFolder
09:23 AM IchGucksLive: o<touchoffxy> sub
09:23 AM IchGucksLive: (hier das rein was du machen willst)
09:23 AM IchGucksLive: o<touchoffxy> endsub
09:23 AM IchGucksLive: M2
09:24 AM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop, the gui realy needs a other name
09:27 AM markus_: Hi, ja noch da muste grade ein Eis essen :-)
09:27 AM IchGucksLive: hat es geschmeckt
09:28 AM markus_: Ja. :-)
09:28 AM markus_: Aber zurück zum problem...
09:29 AM IchGucksLive: es sollte eine button.hal geben
09:30 AM markus_: Da mit dem MDI_command ist ja alles so wie es sein sollte inder gmoccapy.ini steht ....
09:30 AM markus_: button.hal ??
09:31 AM IchGucksLive: was steht denn in der ini drinn welche HAL files geladen werden
09:32 AM markus_: Ne hab ich keine. Hier mal die Auszuge aus den Ini files: [DISPLAY]
09:32 AM markus_: EMBED_TAB_NAME = 6 Button
09:32 AM markus_: EMBED_TAB_LOCATION = ntb_preview
09:32 AM markus_: EMBED_TAB_COMMAND = gladevcp -x {XID} button.glade
09:32 AM IchGucksLive: ist die HALUI aktiviert
09:32 AM IchGucksLive: dann sollte auch eine button.hal dasein
09:33 AM markus_: ja drin steht MDI_COMMAND = o<touchoffxy> call
09:34 AM markus_: und nein, ich hab nur die button.glade aus den beispielen
09:35 AM IchGucksLive: was ist wenn du ein macro nutzt
09:36 AM markus_: ich brauche mehr wie 9 subroutinen
09:36 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h5RUMfWd1E
09:36 AM IchGucksLive: das sollte weiterhelfen
09:39 AM IchGucksLive: markus_, ich hab das auch in deutsch
09:40 AM markus_: Nein das sind macros, da gehen nur 9 stück
09:40 AM IchGucksLive: wusste ich garnicht
09:44 AM IchGucksLive: Dann mal mehr infos wo ist der Button
09:44 AM IchGucksLive: in einer seitenleiste
09:44 AM IchGucksLive: panel links rechts
09:44 AM markus_: es gibt doch die simulation mit gmoccapy_with_user_tabs.ini
09:44 AM markus_: und dem reiter 6 Buttons
09:44 AM IchGucksLive: moment
09:46 AM IchGucksLive: markus_, ok hab ich geladen
09:49 AM IchGucksLive: markus_, die Buttons heisen button.hal_button1
09:50 AM IchGucksLive: markus_, Querry
09:51 AM IchGucksLive: markus_, noch da ?
09:53 AM markus_: ja hab gerade nachgeschaut
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: du hattest den falschen namen
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: untersuch das mit HAL_show im einstellungsmenue
09:59 AM IchGucksLive: ok ich bin wieder um 19uhr hieir Bis später
09:59 AM markus_: ich hab jetzt in gmoccapc_postgui.hal : "net touchoffxy halui.mdi-command-00 < button.hal_button2"
10:00 AM markus_: und bekomme gmoccapy_postgui.hal:24: Pin '<' does not exist
10:01 AM markus_: und er geht juhuu
10:01 AM markus_: hab noch das "=" vergessen
10:02 AM markus_: net touchoffxy halui.mdi-command-00 <= button.hal_button2
10:04 AM markus_: ich geh das gerade mal ausprobieren....
10:07 AM markus_: es funktioniert.
10:07 AM markus_: Danke für die denkanstöße
10:09 AM markus_: thank you for the help
10:53 AM jelly-home is now known as jelly
11:06 AM nallar is now known as Ross
11:07 AM enleth: https://i.imgur.com/xs5dKsQ.jpg got two new chucks
11:08 AM enleth: 200mm, both fit the Celtic (one is a factory DIN 55027-5, one has an adapter plate), a little beat up but overall in a good condition
11:08 AM mtpocketscnc: morning
11:09 AM enleth: and the best part? paid $170 for both, shipped
11:09 AM fragalot: enleth: Nice :-)
11:10 AM enleth: I have no idea why the seller wanted this little for them and I didn't ask just in case he'd realize he could bump the price
11:11 AM enleth: those are Bison chucks, about $650 each new
11:11 AM devlap: Hey guys. So a little miffed on the parallel bob install. I thought I had it all good but when I try to test any of the x/y/z axis, my VFD is getting a signal, and I have no axis movement.
11:11 AM enleth: used ones usually go for $350 or so
11:11 AM enleth: so that was crazy cheap
11:11 AM fragalot: devlap: do the drives have a common ground to the bob?
11:12 AM Beachbumpete1: enleth nice score man. that one with screw on jaws will be especially useful
11:13 AM enleth: Beachbumpete1: I was actually looking for an independent 4-jaw
11:14 AM enleth: I had a 160mm modular 3-jaw one already, this one's just a little bigger and a little shorter (direct DIN 55027-5, no adapter)
11:14 AM enleth: I have yet to check if the jaws are interchangeable between the 160mm and the new 200mm
11:15 AM enleth: same brand, similar size
11:15 AM enleth: it's possible they're identical
11:15 AM enleth: or at least fit the same screw-on parts
11:16 AM devlap: fragalot, the steppers use a 4 pin connector which all of them use.
11:16 AM devlap: https://ibb.co/j9yrZS
11:16 AM devlap: There are two grounds coming from the VFD to the BOB.
11:16 AM enleth: all in all, I have 4 chucks now - one 200mm 4-jaw, one regular 160mm 3-jaw, two modular 3-jaws, 160mm and 200mm; but only one DIN 55027 adapter for the 160mm ones
11:16 AM * fragalot has to run off for a while
11:16 AM devlap: Ones a digital ground, the other is a analog ground. I used the analog ground for the 12V supply ground too.
11:17 AM enleth: so I guess one of the 160mm chucks can be repurposed for the dividing head for the mill
11:17 AM MarcelineVQ: you need that usb pluggin in to provide 5v to the driver connections
11:17 AM MarcelineVQ: *plugged
11:17 AM devlap: really?
11:17 AM MarcelineVQ: 12-24 is seperate
11:17 AM devlap: hmm. didnt know the usb was useful.
11:17 AM MarcelineVQ: well you can provide it with the pc5v pin if you like, or use usb
11:18 AM devlap: Whys the spindle turning on when I move the axis?
11:18 AM MarcelineVQ: no idea, incorrect pin setup issue in the software possibly
11:22 AM MarcelineVQ: I've not worked with spindles yet is which is why I don't have something more useful to say
11:23 AM devlap: What does "Amplifier Enable" mean?
11:25 AM cradek: the amplifier is whatever thing drives the motors
11:25 AM cradek: so that signal is meant to turn the motor driver things on
11:25 AM devlap: Ok so that I had unused, thats motor enable/14
11:26 AM devlap: all my pins are active low, do I have to invert them?
11:26 AM MarcelineVQ: I omit connecting the enable on my drivers, dunno if you can do the same or would want to
11:27 AM jthornton: in Axis for example when you press the Power button the amp-enable-out pin goes high
11:29 AM devlap: I can hear my machine click like it wants to move.
11:29 AM devlap: Not getting movement though hmm.
11:30 AM gloops: click? that sounds like a relay?
11:30 AM devlap: no like the uhh, axis wants to move
11:30 AM devlap: If I run the +- .5 test I hear the machine shift
11:30 AM MarcelineVQ: gloops: sometimes it's just the drivers pulsing the motors on startup, one of mine does that, but just one hehe
11:31 AM gloops: ahh, ive not had that happen
11:32 AM gloops: could be velocity override
11:33 AM devlap: maybe its the stepper config
11:33 AM gloops: or acceleration way too small
11:33 AM devlap: I'm using YOC335s
11:33 AM gloops: whats the max velocity on the gui?
11:33 AM devlap: I'm under "Axis X" right now
11:34 AM devlap: max velocity 1in/s max accel 30.0
11:34 AM gloops: oh, you are using the test axis thing
11:34 AM devlap: Yea I'm in stepconf
11:34 AM gloops: what scale setting have you put in?
11:35 AM devlap: 64000 steps/in
11:35 AM gloops: 64000 ... lot of steps
11:36 AM gloops: and your drivers are set for that?
11:36 AM devlap: so im looking at the dip switches on the yoocnc, there are 4 options for SW1 and SW2
11:36 AM devlap: It has an arrow pointing down and the word on is on one end of the arrow
11:37 AM gloops: yes, that side is ON
11:37 AM devlap: so it looks to me its in off off which is 1600 pulse/rev
11:37 AM MarcelineVQ: I agree that they're set to 1600 in the pic
11:37 AM gloops: right DONT change the dipswitches while the drivers are switched on
11:37 AM devlap: 0% decay mode.
11:37 AM MarcelineVQ: well, I can't see 1, so that's silly of me to say, I should say that I agree that 1 and 2 up, is 1600
11:38 AM gloops: you want the drivers on 64000, or the steps per inch on 1600
11:39 AM devlap: "Motor steps per rev" is set to 1600 now in axis x
11:40 AM gloops: any change?
11:42 AM devlap: same thing
11:43 AM gloops: hmm
11:44 AM devlap: maybe I should set the steps to 200 but the microstepping to 8
11:44 AM gloops: i cant remember now in stepconfig, 2 is default i think - 400 steps
11:45 AM devlap: yea so im reading a document which says the microstep resolution is switches 1 and 2
11:45 AM gloops: like half stepping
11:45 AM gloops: 4 = 800, 8 = 1600
11:45 AM devlap: the stepper says 1600 is on on, this doc, says microstep = 1/8
11:45 AM devlap: so i put 200 and 8
11:46 AM gloops: yeah think thats right
11:47 AM devlap: like I can hear the motor shift like it wants to turn
11:47 AM gloops: voltage/amps high enough? quite a few things to eliminate
11:48 AM devlap: It ran on the USB board.
11:48 AM devlap: So its either my settings or my wiring to the bob.
11:48 AM devlap: The bob itself isn't supplying power to the motors.
11:49 AM jdh: mismatched step counts should on affect distance turned
11:50 AM gloops: no, it sounds like a signal is going from bob to driver
11:50 AM devlap: yea it does.
11:50 AM gloops: jdh possible though if extreme that no movement will be made
11:50 AM pcw_home: too high accel can make a step motor stall after only a few steps
11:51 AM devlap: maybe my driver timing is bad?
11:51 AM devlap: step time, space, hold, setup etc.
11:52 AM pcw_home: setup and hold will typically not cause stalls
11:53 AM gloops: have you tried playing with the velocity/accel sliders?
11:53 AM pcw_home: ( wrong setup and hold times will typicall cause loss/gain of steps at reversals) you might try doubling the step time
11:53 AM gloops: ive had this and i cant remember what it was, sure it was scale/velocity/acceleration related
11:55 AM pcw_home: you might start with really slow accel settings, then you can at least hear whats going on
11:55 AM devlap: i put in 1in/s and that didnt even wirj
11:55 AM devlap: work*
11:56 AM pcw_home: 1in/s^2?
11:56 AM devlap: yea
11:56 AM devlap: it was on 30
11:56 AM gloops: accel 30ips?
11:56 AM pcw_home: accel = velocity for 1 second to full speed
11:57 AM gloops: that needs to come down
11:58 AM gloops: 45m/min
11:58 AM devlap: I can't go lower than 1.0 in/s^2
11:59 AM gloops: i dont work in inches so dont know about that setting
11:59 AM pcw_home: Thats very slow accel so the problem probably lies elsewhere
11:59 AM devlap: 2.2cm/s^2
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: hi all
12:02 PM gloops: Ichs devlap is having problems with stepconfig
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, hi im in germany
12:04 PM devlap: Cool!
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: as i read you are on a inch setup
12:04 PM devlap: I just used the default.
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, best is for the hardware to be setup for MAX Torque best speed
12:05 PM hazzy-dev: Oh boy, a plane just crashed Savannah Ga
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, whaere in the world are you
12:06 PM hazzy-dev: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/military-plane-crash-savannah/
12:06 PM hazzy-dev: ouch
12:06 PM devlap: I'm in california.
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ/videos devlap this is my YT channel
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, woudent you be better on METRIC
12:07 PM devlap: Your the don't use the same ground or it ireworks guy.
12:07 PM devlap: fireworks*
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: or better to your mind to go for inch
12:07 PM devlap: I know both.
12:07 PM devlap: Wife is from metric land so you learn it quick.
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: OK then to the mashine I BUILD around 400 a year
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, what is it we are configurating
12:08 PM devlap: Yea so I have a 6040z engracer. it has yoc355 drivers and had a usb control board. I got a mach3 interface board for parallel.
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I00ArvYvZgI
12:09 PM gloops: thinking back, first time i ran stepconfig i had to be talked through it in here, it seems so easy now its hard to see how anyone could go wrong - but i did, a lot
12:10 PM devlap: yea thats the board I have.
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: so it is quite easy
12:10 PM devlap: so the wiring from the VFD, it was maybe not right.
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: there is a video for the VFD
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, i cand find the yoc 355
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: can you give me a link to the driver
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: or can you upload a image with your smartphone
12:13 PM devlap: yea one sec
12:14 PM devlap: VFD Manual: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2017/02/NOWFOREVER-MANUAL-E-100.pdf ( its a nowforever ) How its currently wired for reference https://ibb.co/j9yrZS
12:14 PM devlap: VFD Red ix X1, Blue is "COM" Green is AIN1, yellow is 12V
12:15 PM devlap: The top row says x1 x2 x3 x4 and COM, I think that com is a digital common
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: not a good idee to get the 12V from the VFD for EM interference but ok
12:15 PM devlap: So I wired that digital com to the pin2 gnd on the bob.
12:16 PM devlap: Then I have the analog com/blue. I wire that to the 12V gnd and the Analog in/0-10V com.
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: OK got it
12:16 PM devlap: the old usb board only used 4 pin.
12:16 PM devlap: I had to add the two gnds for this parallel board.
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: +12V to 12-24V
12:16 PM devlap: yea.
12:17 PM devlap: And the analog ground for that +12V pair.
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: com to BOTH COM on the VFD
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: NO
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: LETS do it the Other WAY
12:17 PM devlap: Digital gnd
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: SORRY
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: COM from 12V Block to the GND on the BOB
12:18 PM devlap: so there are two COM on the VFD
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: X1 to the Relai
12:18 PM devlap: Thats right, x1 to relay.
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: Relay out to the COM block X1
12:19 PM devlap: yes. which I call the digital com
12:19 PM devlap: so thats the two right most pins on the pic of the bob.
12:20 PM devlap: the next pair is 12-24V to 12V on the vfd and gnd to Analog COM
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: THe 0-10V PLUS pin goes to AIN1
12:20 PM devlap: yea.
12:21 PM devlap: scratch that
12:21 PM devlap: let me look
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: and the MINUS 0-10V goes to the COM from the COM of the 12V block
12:21 PM devlap: yea it does
12:21 PM devlap: pwm is to ain1
12:21 PM devlap: yeop
12:21 PM devlap: com of 12v block.
12:22 PM devlap: thats the leftmost pair on the bob. thats how its wired.
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: the AIN1 Jumper to 10V
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: NO PWM ANALOG
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: Pin1 is not Connected
12:23 PM devlap: ill look at the jumps.
12:23 PM devlap: they are both set to 10V on the jumper, not 20ma
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: ok
12:24 PM devlap: I don't see a pwm jumper.
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: THERE is a SECOND Block 12V COM on the VFD
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: Better to use this for 12V out
12:24 PM devlap: Not that I see.
12:25 PM devlap: I see only two coms, one on the top row after x1-x4 and one on the bottom row, before AO1 and AIN1 and AIN2
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: Page 26 in the PDF
12:26 PM devlap: I know what it says, I don't see it on the board itself.
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: it shoudt now work imidiatly
12:30 PM devlap: Alright I got it fired up and linuxcnc open here.
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: no stepconf first
12:32 PM devlap: yea sorry im using the distro, im in stepconf
12:32 PM devlap: https://ibb.co/fcwvDn
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, do the axis move already
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: is this correct setup
12:33 PM devlap: This is the setup I already had as of yesterday, I hear the motors want to move I think, like right when I click test I hear the motor kind of shift, and when it goes to reverse I hear the same thing
12:33 PM devlap: but no movement
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: then i think we need to do the mashine first
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: what drivers arew on the steppers
12:34 PM devlap: They say they are YOC335. Now I did have this on a USB controller board before, and the machine did work.
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: yes but the connection might be diferent
12:35 PM devlap: yeop.
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: DO the Steppers got Torche if you get the power to the driver
12:35 PM devlap: So the steppers are stiff, I can't manually turn them.
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: MOST case is the STEP/DIR wre wrong
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: GOOd please check if the DIR CE is correct
12:36 PM devlap: Well I can man handle the servo and get it to move, but its stiff, not like when its off.
12:36 PM devlap: CE?
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: i need a image of the DRIVER can you make one
12:37 PM devlap: I have one I think.
12:38 PM devlap: https://ibb.co/gCGsR7
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: VERY good
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: so pwer off the MASHINE SYSTEM
12:39 PM devlap: we are off.
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: DISCONNECT the PARPORT
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: SET on all 3AXIS the DIP
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: SW1 off
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: sw2 on
12:40 PM devlap: ok. usb off too?
12:40 PM devlap: right now its on on.
12:40 PM devlap: ill set off on
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: SW3 off
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: sw4 off
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: and the AMPS to the stepeprs value
12:42 PM devlap: Ok so I inverted #2 #3 and #4 on all 4 drivers.
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: ok
12:43 PM devlap: they are all 400 35A
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: DO you got a Volt Meter
12:43 PM devlap: Yea.
12:43 PM devlap: oh wait
12:43 PM devlap: #3 and #4 are for decay not amps.
12:43 PM devlap: yea so its 100% decay now.
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: please Mesurer the RED cable i see if it goes to the EN+ solder
12:44 PM devlap: red pin pu goes to en+ solder on continuity ony sec
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: there is also a PUL+ Solder to the LEFT of the redcable
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: PUL+ also connected to the red cable ?
12:45 PM devlap: I have no continuity from pul+ to en+ or -
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: to the red cable
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: maxbe 2K Ohm
12:46 PM devlap: the red cable in the 4 pin housing?
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: ayes
12:47 PM devlap: no direct continuity let me check ohms
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: yes
12:48 PM devlap: red cable to en+/- is reading infinity.
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, the TB6600 woudt be the better option on 6USD
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, check the White cable to EN
12:51 PM devlap: not seeing cont.
12:51 PM devlap: reading infinite.
12:51 PM IchGucksLive: anny different i ohms
12:51 PM devlap: I'm on the 20k setting.
12:51 PM devlap: 200 is beep mode.
12:52 PM devlap: It is a little hard for me to get on the pad but I wiggled it around pretty good.
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: ok then POWER the Mashine
12:52 PM devlap: no parallel or usb?
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: open stepconf
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: ALL Cables in first
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: Parport then USB
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: BEST to open Stepconf first
12:54 PM devlap: ok
12:54 PM devlap: we are energized.
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: so how did you connect the BOB
12:54 PM devlap: like we discussed.
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: the cabels are in the Plugs itself
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: NO i mean the TOC355 to the Mach3 board
12:55 PM devlap: the 4 pin headers matched for the axis, the VFD we went over.
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: ok
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: the RED cable is on the 5V
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: on eatch aXIS
12:56 PM devlap: red is en on the bob
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: the White is on EN
12:56 PM devlap: white is on +5
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: THERE we Find the Fault
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: THIS needs to be changed
12:57 PM devlap: ok
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: SO POWER DOWN all
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: Disconnect Y Z axis
12:57 PM devlap: Do I have to swap 1 & 4 pin, or is the two middle ones all backwards too
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: we only go for the X
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: only the outside
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: RED White
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: AND plaese only on X
12:58 PM gloops: ah yes, i was waiting to see if that would be noticed
12:58 PM devlap: Yea well, its not so easy as its in the crimped header.
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: take a kive and pull the clip
12:59 PM devlap: So only change red and white, not black and brown.
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: YES
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: im off 3min to get the plants in
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: back on
01:04 PM devlap: give me a minute to solder these back together.
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: CLAMP
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: no solder on signals wire
01:04 PM gloops: lol
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, you got it
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: EM is everywhere on eatch solder
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: hazzy-dev, no plane news
01:07 PM gloops: hey you got my machine going when i started Ichs, id probably still be messing about with it now
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, it is quite easy to get the crimps off if you know how
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, my problem is to get the mashines going while not seeing anything
01:08 PM gloops: yes not so easy
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: as you see here HE wpudt be better up on a TB6600
01:09 PM hazzy-dev: IchGucksLive: It was a C-130 from the Puerto Rico National guard that when down
01:09 PM hazzy-dev: at least 2 dead
01:09 PM hazzy-dev: thats all I know
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: C130 are also here in RAmstein
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: European Head air base
01:11 PM hazzy-dev: Nice! They are great planes, I have watched them be built many times :)
01:11 PM hazzy-dev: They are made locally
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: i did fly 4 times in it
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: bevor 9/11
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: since all has changed ion the base
01:13 PM devlap: Ok red and white are wife swapped.
01:13 PM hazzy-dev: Oh, so 9/11 messed stuff up for you all too, what a shame
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, so lets start a NEW Mashine Setup on Stepconf
01:14 PM devlap: ok
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, NAME the Mashine TESTA
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: XYZ
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: mm
01:14 PM devlap: ok whats for driver type
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: keep the numbers 5000,5000,20000,20000
01:14 PM devlap: ok
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: timing to 30000
01:15 PM devlap: uhh
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: Next page
01:15 PM devlap: jitter?
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: yes
01:15 PM devlap: ok.
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: is this the PINout page yopu see
01:15 PM devlap: yes parallel port 1
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: ok
01:15 PM devlap: same as before.
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: so set Pin2 to X DIR
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: pin3 to X step
01:17 PM devlap: uhh its step and direction right now.
01:17 PM devlap: so change those.
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: pin 14 to Enable Driver
01:17 PM devlap: the mach3 manual said 2 was step and 3 was direction.
01:17 PM devlap: So thats contrary to what it said.
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: then keep it
01:17 PM devlap: Ok.
01:18 PM devlap: 14 is amplifier enable.
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: Pin14 to ENABLE
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: YES
01:18 PM devlap: cool.
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: Parport Base adress
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: 0x378
01:19 PM devlap: ok that was 0 before.
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, next page Forward
01:19 PM devlap: im at options
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: next page
01:19 PM devlap: Axis X
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: YES
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: give it a 200
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: 2
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: 1:1
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: 5mm pitch
01:20 PM devlap: uhh its rev/in
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: 40 speed
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: VEL
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: and 120 ACC
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: ref 0
01:21 PM devlap: ok.
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: 0 to 250
01:21 PM devlap: good.
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: NOW power the MASHINE
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: Hit button TEST AXIS
01:22 PM devlap: ok.
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: there are 2 Green arrows
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: hit one
01:23 PM devlap: same issue as before.
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: no movemet
01:23 PM devlap: I hear it like it creaks once, and then no movement.
01:23 PM devlap: I have to swap directions to hear it creak, like left right, left it creeks.
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: hit close
01:23 PM devlap: ok.
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: power off the mashine
01:24 PM devlap: off.
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: go back to the PINOUT
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: change Pin2 Pin3
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: pin2 X DIR pin3 X Step
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: forward to Axis X
01:26 PM devlap: ok so both arrows now, go the same direction
01:26 PM devlap: but it moves.
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: does the mashie move
01:27 PM devlap: yea movement.
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: THEN the Red Cable might not be 5V
01:27 PM devlap: so it needs to be unswapped?
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: IT might be a GND system
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: IF you lisen to ME i woudt invest in a TB6600 system 20 USD
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: for 3 Axis
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: BUT
01:28 PM devlap: You gotta piss with the dick you got.
01:29 PM IchGucksLive: Now you can solder the complete system
01:29 PM IchGucksLive: YOOcnc did it own layout
01:29 PM IchGucksLive: TO your info
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: ALL PUL+ DIR+ EN+ go to 5V
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: the PUL- go to P2
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: Dir- to P3
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: en- to P14
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: FOR the X Axis only
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: UP to you
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: devlap, You can test with PIN14 X DIR
01:32 PM devlap: +5 is DIR- on the old usb biob
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: pin2 Enable amplifier
01:33 PM devlap: DIR+ on old usb is clk
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: THE Mach3 BOB is a Positiv OUT while the USB is a Negativ
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: sorry i need to close HERE
01:33 PM fragalot: Hi
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: IT is night here and i need to get off
01:34 PM devlap: Ok, thanks ich
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: GN8
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: im always here devlap at this time
01:34 PM fragalot: I wonder if he knows what that means in english :D
01:35 PM devlap: Hmm so the 4 pins on the bob don't equate to the steppers.
01:35 PM fragalot: got a picture of your current wiring setup?
01:36 PM devlap: Yea. So the old USB BOB had the 4 stepper wires as DIR- DIR+ PUL- PUL+
01:37 PM devlap: the new driver board has +5 CLK CW EN
01:37 PM devlap: in the same positions.
01:37 PM devlap: Now we just swapped +5 and EN
01:38 PM gloops: isnt there a wiring diagram from this driver anywhere?
01:39 PM devlap: The driver has a four pin header that says dir- dir+ pul- pul+
01:39 PM fragalot: so the new driver has NPN inputs
01:39 PM devlap: which matched the usb bob.
01:40 PM gloops: https://www.omiocnc.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/y/o/yoc335-1_4.jpg
01:40 PM MarcelineVQ: on the bob CLK is PUL- CW is DIR- +5 is the common +'s for PUL/DIR/EN
01:41 PM gloops: this one has typical pul/dir pins
01:41 PM gloops: so assuming the difference is only in the markings
01:44 PM devlap: yea just not sure.
01:44 PM devlap: what en for
01:45 PM devlap: nevermind.
01:45 PM fragalot: EN = enable
01:45 PM devlap: idk. im a little confused.
01:45 PM fragalot: as far as the driver is concerned, it just wants to have 5V across input+ and input-
01:46 PM fragalot: for the BOB, it will probably pull the outputs to 0V when they are on
01:46 PM fragalot: this means that you need to connect +5V to input+ of the driver (so EN+, DIR+, PUL+)
01:47 PM fragalot: and you connect the CLK to PUL-, CW to DIR-, and EN- to ground
01:47 PM devlap: Whats ground on the four pins coming from the parallel board
01:47 PM MarcelineVQ: if you're confused about which pin is 5v on your connector at the driver you could open the case and find the common trace
01:47 PM fragalot: devlap: which board?
01:48 PM MarcelineVQ: CLK PUL EN are 'grounds', the other pin is 5v+
01:48 PM fragalot: devlap: oh, your board also has an EN output, so connect EN- to that :-)
01:48 PM devlap: The stepper has dir -/+ and pul-/+. The parallel board has +5 which I'll tie to both +'s. CLK goes to pul-, CW goes to dir-
01:48 PM devlap: I have EN on the BOB not used, and all four pins on the stepper filled.
01:50 PM gloops: 2 wires to the bob yes? and you have got the right pins for the axis allocated in stepconfig?
01:50 PM fragalot: if you do not wish to use EN from the BOB, you need to connect 5V to the EN+ and gnd to EN- still - otherwise the steppers will not be on
01:51 PM devlap: Stepper DIR- => BOB CW. Stepper DIR+ => BOB +5v. Stepper PUL- => CLK. Stepper Pul+ => +5v.
01:51 PM gloops: fragalot most run without en connected
01:51 PM fragalot: if that's all wired like you described, and the EN signal is either permanently on, or driven from the BOB, it should all work if you configured stepconf correctly.
01:52 PM fragalot: gloops: that fully depends on the driver
01:52 PM devlap: So my EN from the BOB is floating.
01:52 PM fragalot: /EN (with a line above it) is not the same as an EN input
01:52 PM fragalot: devlap: that's an output - it can float all it wants if you don't need it :)
01:52 PM gloops: devlap so from the X driver - which bob pins - which numbers?
01:53 PM devlap: idk. I just know how I have it now, and how we are talking about getting it.
01:53 PM gloops: fragalot well yes certainly with an unknown driver thats having problems, youd want to have the en wired
01:53 PM devlap: Ok but where would the EN go.
01:54 PM fragalot: devlap: either to your BOB, or directly wired to 5V and gnd
01:54 PM devlap: No the BOB has the EN
01:54 PM gloops: you dont know where the x driver connects to the bob?
01:54 PM devlap: Where does it go on the stepper driver.
01:55 PM gloops: forget that
01:56 PM gloops: you have a usb plugged into the bob yes?
01:57 PM gloops: https://i0.wp.com/www.ijohnsen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/bob-mj57.png
01:57 PM gloops: in this example X is connected to pin 2 and 3
01:57 PM MarcelineVQ: "<devlap> Where does it go on the stepper driver." Is the labeling confusing you? there's 6 labels but 4 pins. DIR+/DIR- PUL+/PUL- EN+/EN- there's 4 pins because 3 are DIR- PUL - EN- and one is the common +. If the yoc335 is based on the m335 then you can omit connecting EN at all, do you have a manual for your yoc335 at all?
01:58 PM devlap: I think I know how to wire it.
01:59 PM devlap: So all the electronics came together. Its not like I bought 4 yoc335's.
01:59 PM devlap: Its all housed and nice, which is why Im not inclined to buy 4 more stepper drivers, I already have these, and they are nice and neat in their case.
01:59 PM MarcelineVQ: yeah I was just asking because I can't find a pdf for the yoc myself
01:59 PM devlap: these look idrentical
01:59 PM devlap: http://www.gbeshop.com/InfoBase/downloads/M335_User_Manual-EN.pdf
02:00 PM gloops: i wouldnt buy anything, these drivers will work fine nce you get them wired up correctly
02:00 PM MarcelineVQ: unfortunately mostly they all look like that, so it's hard to say for sure hehe
02:00 PM devlap: Ich had me change the decay to 100%
02:00 PM devlap: The difference on the picture of that one, is the decay is in the middle not the amps
02:01 PM devlap: Not sure if that was the intention.
02:01 PM devlap: I did give him a pic of my driver so hopefully he read it.
02:03 PM MarcelineVQ: there's really not so many parts involved in this so you're sure to get there if you keep at it
02:06 PM gloops: just to confirm devlap, you have set the right pins for X in stepconfig?
02:07 PM MarcelineVQ: mostly your issue of the motor making noise but not doing anthing when testing an axis can be caused by 4 things, incorrect wiring, too low driver timing settings, too high acceleration, dud motor+driver. given that the drivers worked before, all you can do is turn up the timing settings, turn down the accel, and check the wiring (which is the most likely so far given the convo)
02:08 PM MarcelineVQ: *wiring+pin setup :>
02:08 PM gloops: i would do a new config in metric for a start
02:08 PM MarcelineVQ: ich had him do a new one with fair defaults
02:09 PM rmu: devlap: how many wires does your motor have
02:09 PM MarcelineVQ: can't recall if they turned the accel down, but it should make more noise than just a click if the problem was accell
02:09 PM MarcelineVQ: gloops: oh metric you say, missed that
02:11 PM gloops: no, ive had this a few times playing with ini settings, accel can do this im sure, and scale
02:14 PM gloops: also - axis limits
02:14 PM gloops: supposing this axis has limit of .0001
02:14 PM gloops: no movement
02:15 PM gloops: devlap have you found the ini file yet?
02:15 PM MarcelineVQ: yeah but he's only using the motor testing box which iirc doesn't care about limits beyond the movement range you've set in that dialogue
02:15 PM devlap: .Ok so new wiring scheme is BOB WHITE +5 => Driver PUL+ & Brown Dir+. Bob BLACK CLK => Black Pul-. BOB Brown CW => RED Dir-. Bob RED EN => Float.
02:15 PM gloops: hmm yes correct MarcelineVQ
02:16 PM devlap: Given that its now moving, and only in one direction, when I swapped EN and =5 on the bob, I think I was only giving +5 to DIR+ before, and moving +5 to Step + made it now move.
02:17 PM devlap: So I need to take 3 wires from the bob => 4 wires on the driver
02:17 PM devlap: So y soldering time.
02:17 PM rmu: i just was curious, if the stepper has 8 wires it could be possible to wire it up so it doesn't move
02:18 PM fragalot: rmu: his issue seemed to just be a bob & driver that had a similar looking connector that mated up nicely but was not pin compatible
02:19 PM rmu: oh. that sucks
02:19 PM fragalot: happens when everyone uses JST connectors :-)
02:20 PM MarcelineVQ: you should really check for a common trace on the driver so you know what pins are what on the driver. you might not need 3 to 4, you might be able to do 3 to 3
02:20 PM fragalot: I'd hope the driver has an opto input
02:20 PM MarcelineVQ: recall there's 4 connections on the driver (if I'm remembering correctly) but 6 labels, there's going to be a common - or +
02:20 PM fragalot: MarcelineVQ: not if it's a true differential input
02:21 PM MarcelineVQ: Mostly I'm concerned about soldering things prematurely :X
02:21 PM fragalot: MarcelineVQ: https://ibb.co/gCGsR7 <= his driver
02:21 PM fragalot: MarcelineVQ: https://image.ibb.co/naZ9M7/IMG_20180502_091125.jpg <= his bob
02:23 PM gloops: would be easier to stick some connectors on the wires a couple inch down
02:24 PM fragalot: or just cut & solder with some heatshrink around it
02:28 PM jdh: cut twist hope
02:34 PM rmu: gloops: the writing does not match the number of pins on the JST
02:37 PM rmu: looks like those drivers use the toshiba TA8435HQ or something similar
02:38 PM rmu: I don't like those as they would randomly release their phlogiston i.e. magic smoke
02:58 PM gloops: well, if youve got 4 drivers and youve had them working on a different setup, youre gonna use those first
02:58 PM gloops: they are around same price as leadshines
03:05 PM MarcelineVQ: "<rmu> I don't like those as they would randomly release their phlogiston i.e. magic smoke" yeah I've had two do that when accell is too high
03:10 PM Aztec03: Anyone know about SERCOS?
03:24 PM gloops: people in here do Aztec03, just a case of waiting while said persons are online
03:25 PM SpeedEvil: Proper design >materials.
03:25 PM SpeedEvil: tawr: https://lostartpress.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/img_5678-960x1280.jpg?w=566&h=755
03:26 PM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: am I misremembering or is that chev logo mispelled?
03:27 PM SpeedEvil: dunno
03:27 PM SpeedEvil: https://blog.lostartpress.com/2018/04/27/a-different-kind-of-horse/
03:27 PM XXCoder: its me then lol
03:28 PM Deejay: gn8
03:34 PM gloops: wood is very strong in prop position
03:34 PM Aztec03: gloops, cool cool
03:35 PM SpeedEvil: gloops: I have been idly considering a large wooden vacuum chamber.
03:36 PM gloops: easier to screw sheets together than weld
03:36 PM roycroft: the problem with that is that wood is so porous
03:36 PM SpeedEvil: >1m on a side.
03:36 PM SpeedEvil: roycroft: yeah - painting does most of the sealing, then an applied foil layer.
03:36 PM SpeedEvil: the major pressure barrier is not holding vacuum too.
03:38 PM XXCoder: isnt science amazing. they recently recovered Bell's voice recordings fromn wax records that literally could not be played because it'd break
03:38 PM XXCoder: and some edison's foil records also
03:39 PM roycroft: a lot of old 78s are being transcribed to digital formats using lasers instead of needles, so as to not cause further deterioration of the records
03:39 PM roycroft: meanwhile, i still have fun cranking up the victrola and spinning some hot swing music
03:39 PM roycroft: i don't care if the records wear out
03:40 PM roycroft: i do use a new needle for every record, though
03:40 PM roycroft: which helps minimise wear
03:40 PM XXCoder: not using one of those weird hard metal needles
03:40 PM roycroft: they're pretty soft steel
03:40 PM XXCoder: seemed to me that if there was weird metal it was used as record needle
03:40 PM roycroft: and i stock 3 different sizes
03:41 PM roycroft: the thinner ones are slightly higher fidelity
03:41 PM roycroft: the fat ones are louder
03:41 PM roycroft: and the in-between ones are a good balance between volume and fidelity
03:41 PM roycroft: i mostly use the fat ones, though, because they're the cheapest
03:42 PM roycroft: besides, they're the only ones that are still manufactured
03:42 PM roycroft: nos needles are becoming rather scarce
03:43 PM XXCoder: even with return of vanyl?
03:43 PM cradek: 78s have not returned :-)
03:44 PM roycroft: https://www.ebay.com/itm/321927186155
03:44 PM roycroft: there's all three sizes in one picture
03:44 PM XXCoder: interesting
03:44 PM XXCoder: didnt even know there was different sizes
03:45 PM roycroft: that's one means of volume control, although the thinner ones were not designed specifically for that
03:45 PM roycroft: they were designed for higher fidelity
03:45 PM roycroft: the other volume control is adjusting the doors in front of the speaker
03:46 PM roycroft: hmm, it looks like those bryophonic needles are still being made
03:47 PM roycroft: a few years ago almost all sources for the skinny and medium needles dried up, and the few that were left started jacking up the price
03:47 PM roycroft: perhaps someone has started making them again
03:47 PM roycroft: i should stock up while i can!
03:47 PM XXCoder: yay, hipsters!
03:48 PM enleth: TIL: there are taper boring heads for milling machines
03:49 PM roycroft: are you suggesting i use a milling machine to make victrola needles?
03:49 PM roycroft: :)
03:49 PM XXCoder: ehh lathe would be better I guess? LOL
03:49 PM enleth: (TIL == Today I Learned)
03:49 PM roycroft: if i can buy 100 of them for $3.99 i'll buy 100 of them for $3.99
03:49 PM roycroft: and not waste my time making them on a mill or a lathe
03:50 PM roycroft: i'm sure i can turn my own needles for about $10 each, if i place any value on my time
03:50 PM XXCoder: probably worth time only if you need it out of weird metal
03:51 PM roycroft: and don't get me wrong
03:51 PM roycroft: i like stan getz
03:51 PM roycroft: i like him a lot
03:51 PM XXCoder: the wooden periodic table guy he had listed "record needle" in surpising lots of element entries
03:51 PM roycroft: but i don't like him enough to spend the time making a needle so i can listen t one of his records
03:51 PM roycroft: there are bamboo victrola needles
03:52 PM devlap: So these jsts are they able to be uhh like rewired by taking out the inserted wire
03:54 PM roycroft: i would not be able to use them though
03:54 PM roycroft: my records are all too worn
03:54 PM XXCoder: I heard of recovering records by using wax or something
03:54 PM XXCoder: to pull needle fragments off
03:55 PM XXCoder: oh wood glue https://lifehacker.com/5495614/use-wood-glue-to-clean-and-restore-old-lps
03:56 PM XXCoder: note: I dont have records. I cannot hear result before, during, and after restore lol
03:59 PM XXCoder: " By the way... While I'm sure everybody understands this, DO NOT do this on shellac 78s. "
03:59 PM XXCoder: different material I guess
04:04 PM XXCoder: LOL wood glue cast records, roycroft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDmu594fM88
04:08 PM XXCoder: off I go laters
04:11 PM devlap: so these 4 pin slotted headers, if i want to make new ones, whats that tool/connector called?
04:16 PM Rab: devlap, those look like JST-XH.
04:17 PM Rab: Do you want the headers, or the wire-end housings which plug into them, or the contact crimping tool?
04:18 PM enleth: https://www.youtube.com/user/ROBRENZ/videos I'll just leave that here
04:21 PM devlap: wires and tool. I have the headers
04:24 PM Rab: You can buy pre-crimped wire harneses on eBay, e.g.: https://www.ebay.com/itm/172609017849
04:24 PM Rab: That's not a particularly good deal, but searching 'JST XH 4-pin' uncovers many more.
04:24 PM gloops: have you figured the wiring out devlap? i.e got it moving?
04:25 PM devlap: Im testing a new configuration right now.
04:26 PM Rab: You can also get pre-crimped leads from Digi-Key, which are heavier wire and higher quality than the eBay stuff (for a price): https://www.digikey.com/short/j4r0qf
04:26 PM devlap: So i've actually lost capability.
04:27 PM devlap: It was moving in one direction only.
04:27 PM devlap: Now I get nothing, no clicks.
04:28 PM Rab: If you need to crimp your own, the Engineer PA-09 seems to be reasonably well regarded for JST-XH: https://www.amazon.com/Engineer-PA-09-Micro-Connector-Crimpers/dp/B002AVVO7K
04:28 PM Rab: I have a Molex crimper I use for JST, but it's $$$...not worth it for hobby applications.
04:30 PM devlap: holy shit.
04:30 PM Rab: If you'll be making your own JST cables, I advise getting actual JST housings/contacts/etc from Digi-Key. The clone chinese stuff is noticeably inferior.
04:30 PM devlap: We have X axis working.
04:32 PM gloops: woohoo
04:32 PM gloops: so what was it?
04:32 PM devlap: uhm well i wired +5V to both DIR and PUL+. and then I wired clock to pul- and cw to dir-
04:32 PM devlap: EN is floating.
04:33 PM gloops: well you found it, thats it, same principle to other axis
04:33 PM gloops: i spent 2 months finding a ground issue
04:33 PM devlap: Yea. Well ich and fragalot found it. I just was remote hands :)
04:33 PM devlap: I don't wanna say how long this mill has been without a controller in it :)
04:33 PM devlap: But I wasn't trying the entire time.
04:33 PM gloops: you have the knowledge as well now
04:34 PM gloops: https://i.pinimg.com/564x/21/9f/7c/219f7c844553b1a0c8770bdf6492f35f.jpg
04:34 PM devlap: actually this f***ing channel started the whole nonsense.
04:34 PM gloops: this is novel
04:34 PM gloops: why what happened here devlap?
04:34 PM devlap: that triggers my Trypophobia
04:35 PM devlap: gloops, hahaha. what happened...
04:35 PM devlap: typical internet happened.
04:35 PM gloops: i love these primitive kind of forms and patterns
04:35 PM devlap: So I got the mill and im trying to level it. And I come in here and am told to ditch USB.
04:35 PM devlap: Can of worms.
04:35 PM gloops: you dont want usb
04:36 PM devlap: See? Thats what the channel said before.
04:36 PM gloops: watch facebook, see the people on mach3
04:36 PM devlap: I don't give a flap what the board is, as long as parts come out.
04:36 PM devlap: Having facebook is the problem with that statement.
04:36 PM gloops: the parts wont come out with delayed signals
04:37 PM devlap: I've never had a problem personally. But I understand the RT aspect. My background is RTOS.
04:37 PM gloops: youre fine now, its sorted, it was you that did it
04:37 PM devlap: But I'm not making nuclear grade nut washers.
04:37 PM devlap: So yea, now I just need to get it wired with something other than sparkfun 1mm square female jumper wires.
04:37 PM gloops: i tried mach3, the cutter dived straight into the work, very nearly afire
04:37 PM rmu: in theory, it should be possible to rig something up with isochronous USB transfers
04:38 PM Rab: gloops, I think that pattern is way cooler than some malproportioned lion.
04:38 PM devlap: idk I don't see 3d printers running parallel these days.
04:38 PM devlap: And I did do a PCB with the USB board that came with the mill.
04:38 PM gloops: Rab the lion was impressive because of its scale and 4 axisness
04:40 PM gloops: devlap, it might have been a tiny bit frustrating, but it was worth it
04:40 PM devlap: Yea. Tired of just seeing the mill lifeless.
04:41 PM devlap: I did a rf mixer pcb for ghz+ signals on the usb board it didn't do bad.
04:41 PM gloops: thats part of it really, i spent 1 month building a router, excitement, christmas morning glee - fired it up - no good
04:41 PM gloops: massive let down, sinking feeling, end of the world etc
04:42 PM gloops: its just part of it
04:43 PM devlap: I wonder if I can do better than 12mil traces.
04:45 PM devlap: I think I did almost 8mil traces before.
04:49 PM devlap: So now I just have to configure the vfd/spindle paramaters
04:50 PM andypugh: Joined late. Modbus? PWM?
04:51 PM devlap: uhh PWM with an E100T Nowforever VFD and a GDZ-80-1.5B spindle
04:51 PM devlap: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2017/02/NOWFOREVER-MANUAL-E-100.pdf
04:53 PM andypugh: 1) Get the Chinese manual. 2) Go to China. 3) Marry a Chinese person of the gender of your choice. 4) Bring them home. 5) Get them to read the manual for you :-)
04:53 PM devlap: haha
04:53 PM devlap: So it looks like the upper frequency is 400hz, the lower is 0hz
04:54 PM devlap: I'm not sure what step conf is asking for when it says "PWM Rate"
04:54 PM devlap: is that the carrier?
04:54 PM devlap: I think thats actually the input
04:54 PM andypugh: Yes.
04:55 PM andypugh: You probaly want PDM mode, if that works for the inverter
04:55 PM devlap: i see nothing about that in the VFD manual
04:55 PM andypugh: (If it is a uP reading edges then PDM will work very badly. If it is a lowpass filter reading voltage then PDM is better than PWM)
04:58 PM andypugh: What do you have between the PC and the VFD ?
04:58 PM devlap: Mach3 Interface Parallel BOB
04:59 PM andypugh: OK, so parallel port and PWM to (probably) an analog output done by lowpass fitlering.
04:59 PM devlap: Just need to know proper spindle info in the stepconf
05:00 PM devlap: Looks like spindle is set for 0 - 400hz input
05:00 PM devlap: based on the VFD configuration
05:00 PM andypugh: What questions is Steponf asking>
05:00 PM andypugh: ?
05:01 PM devlap: PWM Rate, speed 1, speed 2, PWM 1, PWM 2 and Cycles per revolution
05:01 PM andypugh: Happy to guess what they mean, one by one
05:02 PM andypugh: OK, I grant that that isn’t super self-explanatory
05:02 PM devlap: Why would the controller need the carrier frequency to the spindle
05:02 PM devlap: The VFD is sending that to the spindle.
05:03 PM gloops: scale
05:03 PM devlap: The carrier is in P0-011 which is 1-10khz. Mines set to 6
05:03 PM andypugh: The VFD sends variable frequency AC to the spindle.
05:03 PM devlap: so I put in 6000
05:04 PM andypugh: (though this is synthesised via a PWM mechanism)
05:04 PM andypugh: What Stepconf is asking is what PWM frequency you want to use to create the analogue control voltage.
05:05 PM andypugh: That’s easy. Use 0 for PDM mode.
05:05 PM devlap: I thought I'm not usind PDM
05:05 PM devlap: Alright well I put in 0.
05:06 PM andypugh: You can igore everything in the VFD settings. The stepconf config is all about the FWD REV and 0-10V speed control layer between the BoB and the VFD
05:06 PM gloops: setp pwmgen.0.pwm-freq 100.0
05:06 PM gloops: setp pwmgen.0.scale 1166.66666667
05:06 PM gloops: setp pwmgen.0.offset 0.114285714286
05:06 PM andypugh: gloops: I like PDM.
05:07 PM gloops: andypugh not tried it, all i know is my spindle seems to work fine on pwm
05:07 PM andypugh: devlap: The other boxes are the lowesrt spindle speed and highest spindle speed and what % of control voltage it takes to get them.
05:08 PM gloops: Ichs has video on config for typical hy vfd/spindle
05:09 PM devlap: so 0 0 and 24000 1
05:09 PM devlap: ?
05:09 PM gloops: ive forgot now, you dont need to change much, 1 minute
05:09 PM gloops: this is 0-24000rpm spindle?
05:10 PM devlap: https://www.amazon.com/Spindle-ER11-Bearings-24000rpm-Engraver/dp/B019F29N1K
05:11 PM gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpb9JUaWl7M&t=755s 12minutes 30 sec ish
05:14 PM gloops: 400hz
05:14 PM gloops: now youll need to know what your vfd runs from, some do 0-24k, some do 7-24k or whatever
05:17 PM Spirit532: there's also 60k spindles
05:17 PM Spirit532: in the same shape
05:17 PM Spirit532: they're resonance machines but they work
05:18 PM Spirit532: but if you want those speeds you're better off just buying a Nakanishi spindle on ebay for the same price
05:20 PM gloops: havent got the feed rate for it
05:20 PM Spirit532: they're meant for tiny tools
05:28 PM rmu: diamond tipped drills for pcb drilling
05:30 PM Spirit532: nobody actually uses those
05:30 PM Spirit532: cheaper to go through quantity with tool life management
05:33 PM devlap: hmm. z direction not working
05:36 PM devlap: lol so close.
05:59 PM devlap: Not sure whats up with the damned Z axis.
06:09 PM devlap: Oh well. Calling it a day. Atleast all the axis move on the new board thx guys. be back tommorow to hopefully cut a pcb.
07:38 PM pink_vampire: [17:32:30] <gloops> https://i.pinimg.com/564x/21/9f/7c/219f7c844553b1a0c8770bdf6492f35f.jpg
07:39 PM pink_vampire: do you have the 3d file?
07:39 PM pink_vampire: it's look amazing!!!!!
10:02 PM Rab: pink_vampire, it's this guy: http://www.triarchictheory.com/art https://creators.vice.com/en_au/article/4xq3pj/artist-uses-algorithms-to-carve-hyperdetailed-patterns-into-plywood
10:03 PM pink_vampire: Rab: mmmm i see