#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 20 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:23 AM fragalot: hi
12:54 AM IchGucksLive: morning
01:06 AM selroc: hi
01:17 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, it is getting a butifull day here
01:17 AM IchGucksLive: im off for a swetting Bicicle ride
01:17 AM gloops: nice here too Ichs, bit cooler today
01:24 AM Loetmichel: *MUHAHA* The ceiling bolts of the cable trays didnt budge... THe load points on the TV did. nicely made, Planar! -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17079&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:25 AM gloops: hope youve got 'whatever happens' lol
01:26 AM Loetmichel: ?
01:26 AM gloops: insurance
01:27 AM gloops: we pay about £4 a month 'whatever happens' TV is insured against just about anything
01:35 AM Loetmichel: ah
01:36 AM Loetmichel: its insured by the company
01:36 AM Loetmichel: thats the reason i didnt look yet if the display is still working, waiting for the insurance companty to look at iot first
01:48 AM Deejay: moin
02:31 AM pink_vampire: hi
03:23 AM gloops: whoo near me for once https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Colchester-Triumph-Lathe/253569222343?
03:23 AM gloops: probably make 400+ though
03:24 AM MarcelineVQ: wonder what that rust puddle on the table is from
03:25 AM gloops: coolant maybe or been outside
03:26 AM gloops: they are good lathes, whether that is a good example is another matter
03:27 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/COLCHESTER-TRIUMPH-ROUNDHEAD-15-x-48-GAP-BED-LATHE-Price-1750-plus-VAT/292518285326?
03:27 AM gloops: ive been offered a ward capstan for 300 which im considering
04:15 AM pink_vampire: are 0-2" micrometer is something that exist?
04:44 AM jthornton: morning
04:44 AM jthornton: I've only seen 1" increment micrometers
04:46 AM XXCoder: pink_vampire: maybe? but custom would be so expensive
04:46 AM XXCoder: its always one inch range so far I know.
04:46 AM SpeedEvil: Or calipers of course.
04:47 AM XXCoder: I dont even own any mics above 1" max since I only rarely need that and shop as their own, up to 12"
04:48 AM jthornton: I have a set of cheap mics 0-6" and a set of digital ones 0-6
04:49 AM XXCoder: jt I saw one set of 6 mics for just $100
04:49 AM XXCoder: but ehhh looks too cheap to me. I dont need it much at work, let alonme at home!
04:49 AM pink_vampire: https://www.zoro.com/mitutoyo-micrometer-set-0-12-00001in-12-pc-103-908-40/i/G2349636/
04:49 AM XXCoder: talking about mics, one of my coworkers has 4x speed 0-1" mic
04:49 AM jthornton: mostly I use them for sizing material
04:50 AM XXCoder: it moves 4x as fast. very very expensive. $400?
04:50 AM XXCoder: pink thats pretty much the exact set at work
04:50 AM XXCoder: im using 2-3" now ironically
04:51 AM pink_vampire: i want to make long handle to the 4 jaw chuck
04:51 AM pink_vampire: i love it!
04:51 AM XXCoder: https://www.ebay.com/itm/0-6-Pro-Outside-Micrometer-Mic-Set-0-0001-Precision-Machinist-Tool-Carbide-Tip/162972770558?hash=item25f1ef20fe:g:5sgAAOSwpxFavnsl
04:52 AM XXCoder: one I talked about
04:52 AM XXCoder: dunno on quality, probably super shitty
04:52 AM XXCoder: good enough for home maybe?
04:53 AM pink_vampire: lets say "no micrometer" vs "shitty micrometer" vs "igaging caliper"
04:55 AM fragalot: the shitty micrometers work fine for home use
04:55 AM fragalot: at home you're making things relative to each-other, not to an industry standard spec
04:55 AM fragalot: so who cares if your micrometer is off by .5 thou, as long as it's always off by that same .5 thou
04:57 AM pink_vampire: i want digital mics
04:57 AM pink_vampire: so i can conver metric / imperial
04:57 AM fragalot: mine are analog/digital combo's
04:57 AM fragalot: eg. they are analog but have a clockwork counter in them :P
04:58 AM fragalot: main reason for me is that i've made things /EXACTLY/ 1mm wrong before
04:58 AM fragalot: especially with the inside out internal mics
05:00 AM XXCoder: fragalot: shitty mic + block gauges = good enough
05:01 AM pink_vampire: block gauges?
05:01 AM XXCoder: lemme find it a second
05:01 AM XXCoder: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-81-PCS-GRADE-B-GAGE-GAUGE-BLOCK-SET-NIST-CERTIFICATE-TRACEABLE-NEW/331694814556
05:01 AM fragalot_: pink_vampire: gauge blocks :P
05:02 AM pink_vampire: LOL
05:02 AM XXCoder: cheap version Accuracy: Economy=Grade B : +/- 0.000050"
05:02 AM XXCoder: okay gauge blocks lol
05:02 AM fragalot_: I ordered a "grade 1" (B equivalent), but received grade 00 from my supplier by accident
05:03 AM fragalot_: i'm not complaining. :-)
05:03 AM XXCoder: nice!
05:03 AM XXCoder: price gets a pretty big bump
05:04 AM XXCoder: mitoyo one $445 for A grade
05:04 AM pink_vampire: 445 for the ceramic ones??
05:05 AM XXCoder: thats rustproof and very temperate stable
05:05 AM XXCoder: and quite shatterable I guess lol
05:07 AM XXCoder: I wonder ceramic ones is wringable
05:08 AM pink_vampire: what do you mean?
05:09 AM XXCoder: wringing is making steel gauge blocks stick together
05:09 AM XXCoder: by themselves. not magnet or glue
05:11 AM fragalot_: they do
05:11 AM XXCoder: interesting
05:12 AM XXCoder: funny thing if you got good 123 block and you got good rock, you can feel it stick to rock when you lift it off
05:12 AM XXCoder: assuming no microdust allows it to loosen without sticking
05:12 AM pink_vampire: fist i need to stone the machine
05:13 AM pink_vampire: and i never did it
05:14 AM XXCoder: fragalot_: my boss almost shattered new 90 degree iron block (used for measuring stuff with parts standing on it or whatever)
05:14 AM XXCoder: rock was very freshly ground to grade A, and the 9p0 degree block was new
05:14 AM XXCoder: so he was talking and he was gliding it across rock (very smooth)
05:14 AM XXCoder: and he missed it and it almost went over and hit floor lol
05:14 AM XXCoder: he grabbed ut as it was going over
05:15 AM XXCoder: that thing is expensive and I think cast iron, it'd be ruined forever
05:17 AM XXCoder: ytou know what its called?
05:17 AM MarcelineVQ: you can wring gold too, it fucks up the surface to unstick it though because it's actually cold-welding. properly made ceramic and glass can wring, afaik ceramic guage blocks wring but I haven't seen it firsthand
05:18 AM XXCoder: its basically a cubic thing that has 2 walls and rest is handle
05:18 AM XXCoder: its been ground all around so it rests perfectly 90 degrees no matter where its placed (flat) on surface
05:18 AM XXCoder: MarcelineVQ: gold lego!
05:18 AM XXCoder: ;)
05:23 AM XXCoder: found it! http://s3.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/Tools/BigAngleBlock.jpg
05:25 AM XXCoder: lots of it on ebay "precision right angle iron block"
05:25 AM XXCoder: but quality dunno
05:31 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: why do you need such a thing?
05:31 AM XXCoder: at work? tons
05:31 AM XXCoder: sometimes part need to be measured in certain way but it cant stand on its own
05:31 AM XXCoder: so use that block, set part against it, use 123 block or 246 block to hold it
05:31 AM XXCoder: sometimes even magnetic base
05:32 AM XXCoder: then cit can be measured
05:43 AM pink_vampire: https://imgur.com/gallery/ql8btuj
05:44 AM XXCoder: lol
05:49 AM MarcelineVQ: whooboy that was a tough bug to track down for a newbie, just determined stepconf assigned the wrong axis joint number in my hal file and it was causing very hard to nail down limit switch errors
05:50 AM XXCoder: thats why you're paid the big bucks
05:50 AM MarcelineVQ: you know it
05:52 AM MarcelineVQ: funnily enough it only assigned it wrong in one place, other spots were just fine
05:52 AM XXCoder: sounds like copy paste editing error
05:53 AM MarcelineVQ: Well it's purely from the utility without changes so it's a code error somewhere, I think it must have been assiging things sequentially, XYZ but a lathe is XZ so instead of 0,1,2 you need 0,2 and it wrote 0 and 1
05:56 AM XXCoder: that does make sense
05:56 AM MarcelineVQ: not quite sure where in the source tree to find the stepconf related stuff to see where it's going wrong
05:57 AM MarcelineVQ: Really happy regardless, now I can get back to waiting on parts to arrive
05:59 AM MarcelineVQ: here appearantly https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/build_HAL.py
06:01 AM MarcelineVQ: yeah hmm right here https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/build_HAL.py#L262 0 and 1
06:14 AM pink_vampire: magic? https://www.ebay.com/itm/MT2-Carbide-Morse-Taper-Live-Center-CNC-Lathe-Tool/162558238030?hash=item25d939dd4e:g:zYcAAOSwXXxZRq3s
06:15 AM MarcelineVQ: magic?
06:15 AM pink_vampire: where is the live part?
06:16 AM MarcelineVQ: ah, just ebay being ebay I guess, that is to say inaccurate.
06:16 AM MarcelineVQ: That's not even a picture of the actual thing, so who can say
06:17 AM MarcelineVQ: At the top I mean, looks like a catralogue pic, I guess there's more down below hehe
06:19 AM MarcelineVQ: It says dead center in the info down below so the live in the name is probably just to get more eyes on it
06:24 AM XXCoder: me no know lathe heh
06:24 AM XXCoder: boeing hiring person said boeing is interested on employing me
06:25 AM XXCoder: so I sent off resume. dunno lol
06:25 AM XXCoder: bopeing is really wanting to hire machinists now
06:25 AM XXCoder: they just got 740 plane order or something
06:25 AM MarcelineVQ: that'd be an interesting place for sure
06:26 AM XXCoder: few cons though
06:26 AM XXCoder: machinist jobs is dead easy and shops dont like to hire boeing former workers
06:26 AM MarcelineVQ: why don't they?
06:27 AM XXCoder: boeing tend to hire and let go on boom and low points
06:27 AM XXCoder: well from what i understand machinists dont even know xyz coord they just push buttpon and stuff lol
06:27 AM XXCoder: essentally im more advanced than most boeing machinists and thats not saying much about them
06:31 AM XXCoder: really I dont know how they work, would have to have a tour or something
06:32 AM XXCoder: boeing tend to be better employers of deaf so dunno there also
06:54 AM pink_vampire: any idea how to machine a 60deg angle on a cylinder?
06:56 AM SpeedEvil: Spin it and file it?
06:56 AM SpeedEvil: Or angle grinder on a drill, ...
06:56 AM pink_vampire: no no
06:56 AM pink_vampire: one sec
06:56 AM SpeedEvil: Or plasma cut, or ...
06:56 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/rrEIRVd.png
06:57 AM pink_vampire: SpeedEvil: ^
06:58 AM SpeedEvil: With what tools?
06:58 AM SpeedEvil: A file will dothat just fine.
06:58 AM SpeedEvil: In many cases.
06:59 AM pink_vampire: it's brass...
06:59 AM XXCoder: pink_vampire: making your own indictor arm eh
06:59 AM XXCoder: I recently repaired mine lol (chineseium crap one had rod in backwards!)
06:59 AM pink_vampire: no, it's a tailstock stopper
07:00 AM SpeedEvil: A file then.
07:00 AM pink_vampire: i want to machine that
07:00 AM SpeedEvil: Perhaps started off with hacksaw.
07:01 AM pink_vampire: i have half a mill, and a lathe
07:01 AM SpeedEvil: ?
07:01 AM SpeedEvil: So grab the thing inan appropriate fixture so the plane is horizontal (or vertical) then traverse it with a suitable bit in one or more passes.
07:02 AM pink_vampire: appropriate fixture - idea??
07:02 AM XXCoder: interesting becase the rod in middle joint of indictor arm looks exactly like that
07:03 AM SpeedEvil: pink_vampire: A v-block on an angle-plate with a clamp, for example
07:04 AM pink_vampire: i don't have a v-block
07:04 AM Beachbumpete1: yup clamp it in the vise on an angle plate or angled parallel. go slow because the surface holding area on the cylinder is not very big so can slip in the vise if not careful
07:04 AM SpeedEvil: pink_vampire: make one
07:04 AM SpeedEvil: Any bit of angle iron works.
07:05 AM pink_vampire: i think to hold it from the inside
07:05 AM pink_vampire: the od is lapped
07:16 AM fragalot_: pink_vampire: 3-jaw mounted on a sine plate
07:17 AM fragalot_: hold an arbor in the 3jaw, stick your part on there
07:17 AM pink_vampire: this is also that i think to do
07:17 AM fragalot_: alternatively, hold the arbor in a V-block at the correct angle
07:17 AM pink_vampire: i never use a sine plate
07:17 AM pink_vampire: I have 6X6 one
07:20 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/OrvX75F.png
07:22 AM pink_vampire: someone need some gauge blocks
07:23 AM fragalot_: depends on how accurate ou need the angle to be, really
07:23 AM fragalot_: you may be lucky & have a parallel of the right size
07:23 AM fragalot_: or you could mill one
07:27 AM XXCoder: sine block is awesome
07:28 AM XXCoder: gauge blocks isnt too expensive, expecially B one
07:29 AM XXCoder: night
07:30 AM pink_vampire: what is "sine block"?
07:32 AM fragalot_: sine plate, but in XXCoder's language :P
07:34 AM gregcnc_: If you don't have a precision angle/sine device just make what you need.
07:35 AM pink_vampire: i'm trying to use 123 block on the 2" side + 1/2" parallels
07:37 AM gregcnc_: there are literally countless methods. i don't know what you have in your toolbox or your means
07:41 AM pink_vampire: i took a pic
07:42 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/9LjjxbL.png
07:43 AM gregcnc_: all that's left is holding the part?
07:44 AM pink_vampire: yes
07:45 AM Rab: That thin vertical parallel looks pretty precarious.
07:46 AM pink_vampire: lol
07:46 AM gregcnc_: is it done yet?
07:46 AM Rab: But I guess that's the height you need, and another spacer would do?
07:47 AM pink_vampire: i need to tap 1/4 - 20 screw..
07:47 AM pink_vampire: i don't have any!
07:48 AM gregcnc_: are you all metric there
07:49 AM pink_vampire: i have plenty of 10-32
08:11 AM pink_vampire: screw + super glue?
08:12 AM pink_vampire: will it work?
08:12 AM gloops: for what pink_vampire?
08:22 AM pink_vampire: https://littlemachineshop.com/mobile/sine_bar.php
08:24 AM fragalot_: :) new surface plate should arrive tuesday
08:27 AM SpeedEvil: Hopefully without a dent in it.
08:28 AM fragalot_: yup
08:28 AM pink_vampire: grade / size..
08:28 AM SpeedEvil: Though if it was granite, that would be oddly awesome.
08:28 AM fragalot_: I currently have a cast iron scraped one, but after putting a straight edge on there I started crying :P
08:28 AM SpeedEvil: 'we break it and don't care about the laws of physics inhow we break it'
08:28 AM fragalot_: pink_vampire: grade 0 400x400mm -- cheap & cheerful (around €200)
08:30 AM fragalot_: grade 00 makes no sense for me, and larger costs more & my parts are small enough that 400mm is big enough for what I need.
08:30 AM fragalot_: plus the price goes way up :P
08:31 AM pink_vampire: 00 is lab grade?
08:31 AM fragalot_: yes
08:32 AM SpeedEvil: :)
08:34 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRANITE-SURFACE-TABLE-ENGINEERS-GRANITE-SURFACE-PLATE-6ft-X-4ft-ELLEY-WARREN/332623002509 would also make an awesome kitchen island.
08:34 AM pink_vampire: 6ft X 4ft
08:34 AM SpeedEvil: Sacrifices portability a little though.
08:35 AM pink_vampire: my living room is almost that size
08:36 AM fragalot_: xD
08:36 AM SpeedEvil: Also make great vibration isolating speaker mounts.
08:36 AM SpeedEvil: - a little north of a ton.
08:40 AM fragalot_: a ton of fun.
09:28 AM miss0r: Just mowed the lawn... MY GARDEN IS A SAUNA at the moment
09:28 AM miss0r: 26c
10:03 AM fragalot: Hi
10:08 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
10:09 AM IchGucksLive: raly a hot sommerday
10:16 AM Vq: Makes you miss the winter.
10:28 AM hazzy-dev: It is unusually cool here today, only about 50F
10:31 AM CaptHindsight: hazzy-dev: make believe it's 70
10:34 AM IchGucksLive: im off til later
10:47 AM Vq: 16°C and clear skies here
10:54 AM Loetmichel: 27.2°C here and steel blue sky
11:00 AM Vq: That's way to hot
11:02 AM gloops: sht just been past post depot and forgot the card!
11:02 AM gloops: shuts at 5.30..back out again sigh
11:03 AM miss0r: fragalot: are you to be considered 'online' now ? :)
11:25 AM pink_vampire: idea for chip load and feed for free machining brass and long reach 1/8 4F endmill
11:37 AM fragalot: miss0r: I am now.
11:37 AM fragalot: sorry, was running around the house with the FLIR :D
11:42 AM pink_vampire: i'm super happy with the finish
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:47 AM fragalot: hi
11:47 AM fragalot: pink_vampire: we demand pics
11:48 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/quziPVc.png
11:49 AM fragalot: :D
11:49 AM fragalot: what is that part for?
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: fragalot, you olso got the square rails
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: as i dident mount one only coordinate are there adjustable
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: fragalot, in tight hard clamp
11:50 AM fragalot: IchGucksLive: who what where when why?
11:51 AM pink_vampire: it is half of the stopper for my tailstock
11:52 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/2xuHhoO.jpg
11:52 AM pink_vampire: this is from the manual
11:54 AM fragalot: interesting
11:55 AM pink_vampire: the setup is just a screw on sine plate with super glue, but I'm holding the base of the part flat to the sine plate
11:56 AM fragalot: :D
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, ;-)
11:59 AM pink_vampire: one more part is glued..
11:59 AM gloops: hi Ichs
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: gloops, querry
12:00 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/4wQQtMb.jpg
12:00 PM gloops: yes?
12:00 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/2DmpiHo.jpg
12:07 PM gloops: i use the tailstock a lot
12:07 PM gloops: whenever it CAN be used
12:07 PM gloops: for steadying
12:08 PM gloops: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/heartbroken-cat-walks-12-miles-12396197 < very hard!
12:08 PM pink_vampire: are you feed with the tailstock?
12:08 PM gloops: for drilling yes
12:10 PM pink_vampire: i think to make a nut on the top
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: im off for grilling
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: BBQ with guests
12:12 PM gloops: http://www.lathes.co.uk/emco/img4.jpg
12:12 PM gloops: is that like yours pink_vampire ?
12:19 PM pink_vampire: similar
12:19 PM pink_vampire: it is maximat 7
12:21 PM pink_vampire: http://www.lathes.co.uk/emco/img34.jpg
12:21 PM pink_vampire: gloops: you can see the part that I'm restoring on this image
12:23 PM gloops: well, you can do a lot of stuff with that lathe
12:23 PM fragalot: if you're really careful
12:23 PM fragalot: you may be able to turn a part on it
12:24 PM pink_vampire: I have only the lathe, without the mill part
12:24 PM pink_vampire: the next project is to build a steady rest
12:26 PM fragalot: i've been meaning to make one for mine
12:26 PM gloops: yes, travelling and fixed required
12:28 PM pink_vampire: I think to convert or hopefully find a china made one and use it
12:30 PM gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SblqpPuXjLQ emco with a couple of steppers
12:33 PM gloops: lets see, the 290 oz i bought the other week £20, x 3 = £60, bob and drivers same, few belts and pulleys maybe do it for £150-£180
12:35 PM pink_vampire: i think i will keep it manual
12:39 PM pink_vampire: https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0121758?r=~%7Ccategoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22%7C~%20~%7Ccategoryl2:%22600001%20Bolts%22%7C~%20~%7Ccategoryl3:%22600006%20Coil%20Bolts%22%7C~
12:39 PM gloops: on the news UK needs 186000 new skilled engineers per to keep up with booming engineering sector
12:39 PM gloops: per year
12:41 PM fragalot: Yup
12:42 PM fragalot: industry is moving back from china as automation increases
12:44 PM pink_vampire: https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/11567799?r=~%7Ccategoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22%7C~%20~%7Ccategoryl2:%22600001%20Bolts%22%7C~%20~%7Ccategoryl3:%22613122%20Tension%20Indicating%20Bolts%22%7C~
12:44 PM pink_vampire: screw with indicator
01:03 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: AvE did a video on those
01:03 PM fragalot: interesting concept, though imho if you need one of those perhaps something else is wrong :P
01:05 PM pink_vampire: I think to use them on my Z axis
01:06 PM fragalot: throwing money away, imho
01:27 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: some use the term "reshoring"
01:27 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: that's very reashoring of you.
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: are any lower end industrial, prosumer grade automation components being manufactured in the EU?
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: like if the Chinese did QC and only shipped the good stuff
01:30 PM fragalot: mostly in italy
01:31 PM fragalot: the main issue in EU is finding what you need
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: ah where the engineers wear designer suits and smoke cigarettes at the CAD stations
01:32 PM fragalot: because we don't have a catch-all equivalent like mcmaster where you can use a single catalog to fin dmost things
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: well McMaster does carry a lot in one place but at 2X the prices
01:33 PM fragalot: sure, but you can order 1 to find out who made it :P
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: Grainer is 4X the price elsewhere
01:33 PM fragalot: and i'd happilly pay 2x more for convenience for a lot of parts when prototyping
01:33 PM fragalot: who cares if the valve you want costs $12 instead of $6 when you save 4 hours searching for it
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: wonder why there is not a Zoro tools of the EU?
01:34 PM fragalot: no idea.
01:34 PM CaptHindsight: it's the same in China, they have malls with independent shops where you can find most things
01:35 PM gregcnc_: open one?
01:35 PM fragalot: possibly the language issue we have?
01:35 PM gloops: compare chinese steppers to european
01:35 PM gloops: the bearings in the italian ones i got are 4 times bigger
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: centuries of infighting, the Europeans can't get along with each other
01:36 PM gloops: true, thats why we are washing our hands of them
01:36 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: my turn to apologise, i guess.
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: how about electronic components?
01:37 PM CaptHindsight: don't you have Digikey?
01:37 PM fragalot: newark == farnell
01:37 PM fragalot: digikey exists here
01:37 PM fragalot: so does mouser
01:37 PM CaptHindsight: and that
01:37 PM CaptHindsight: but nothing for power transmission, motors and automation components?
01:37 PM gloops: i never knew all this time theres a linear motion supplier up the road from me!
01:37 PM gloops: Acorn
01:37 PM fragalot: farnel is a neat one, often cheaper to buy from them than the manufacturer :P
01:38 PM fragalot: there is no catch-all for automation components
01:38 PM gloops: i need to find who i know that works there
01:38 PM fragalot: lots of smaller catch-some shops
01:38 PM fragalot: each one being better for a particular thing
01:38 PM gloops: https://www.acorn-ind.co.uk/linear-motion/
01:39 PM gloops: we also have accu
01:39 PM CaptHindsight: so bearings from one place, motors from another, couplings from another, gears etc etc
01:40 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: pretty much..
01:40 PM gloops: if you want high precision 3 metre ballscrews
01:40 PM pink_vampire: 3 meter ballscrews??
01:41 PM gloops: yeah
01:41 PM gloops: or bigger
01:41 PM pink_vampire: multi start for sure
01:41 PM fragalot: depends pink_vampire
01:41 PM gloops: 50mm
01:41 PM CaptHindsight: I probably order from 20+ different suppliers
01:44 PM gloops: the factories here are mostly unnoticed now, there is usually no smoke or filth, no pub in the grounds etc, no red charred red brick buildings
01:44 PM gloops: they are state of the art
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: "pub in the grounds" is that a new dish?
01:45 PM gloops: no, it was standard practice to have an onsite boozer
01:46 PM CaptHindsight: they make you booze up elsewhere now eh
01:46 PM fragalot: they just call it the restaurant now
01:46 PM gloops: a lot of pubs have gone, drinking that way dying out
01:47 PM fragalot: alcohol contents' gone up compared to back then too
01:47 PM gloops: you probably lived within walking distance of work, you could have a few at lunch break then go straight in the pub after work
01:48 PM gloops: why would you want to go home?
01:48 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: how many hours a day do you work now, ~4 with 3 hours for lunch and 1 for naps :)
01:48 PM fragalot: :P
01:49 PM gloops: 3m trapezoidal 90mm diameter https://www.accu.co.uk/en/carbon-steel-c45-trapezoidal-lead-screws/331291-L-Tr95x16-1R-3000-C45
01:49 PM CaptHindsight: I hear you get 30 days off paid leave for each child, so if you have 2 kids you get 2 months off each year plus the usual 3 months of vacation plus 47 holidays and 22 sick days
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: and weekends
01:51 PM fragalot: in total there are typically around 250-ish work days in a year
01:52 PM fragalot: the rest you earn, either due to overtime, having sex with results;
01:53 PM fragalot: sick days don't typically count as "time off" as far as I know
01:53 PM fragalot: it's not like you can say "hey y'know what, I have 4 sick days left, i'm going to use those up & go to disney land"
01:54 PM fragalot: and a typical official day in belgium is 8hrs, with a limit of 38hrs/week (I do 40 but get 2 hrs holiday a week as compensation)
01:59 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Emco-Compact-5-CNC-stepper-motors-two/183181915791?
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/mcmaster-carr-equivalent-germany-342721-post3124211/?s=b7dc2f67da82e95bcd5ddf63a6d4d2e3#post3124211
02:15 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: looks like the issue with no McMaster in the EU is the complexity of their VAT's
02:17 PM gregcnc_: I thought EU was to make trade easy?
02:19 PM gloops: internally
02:19 PM gregcnc_: yes
02:19 PM gloops: any products from outside get taxed before than be distributed within the EU
02:20 PM gregcnc_: the post talks about how painful it is to trade within the EU
02:21 PM gloops: ive bought from germany on ebay and had no problems
02:22 PM gregcnc_: buying is always easy, the seller does all the work
02:22 PM gloops: the seller starts a new profile
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: maybe someone should start something like a search engine for mechanical parts
02:23 PM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: heh yeah rocks would be great kitchen island top. Maybe retired ones
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: makers of mechanical parts could list their offerings with "hyperlinks" back to their websites for ordering
02:24 PM gloops: the makers dont retail them though a lot of the time
02:24 PM gloops: these stepper motors are probably $2 each bought in bulk
02:29 PM fragalot_ is now known as fragalot
02:32 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: that's kinda the idea behind things like grabcad & similar
02:32 PM fragalot: the problem is that you have to know the manufacturer first though
02:39 PM gloops: the EU is basically the western soviet union
02:40 PM fragalot: ha.. got a shipping notice for my surface plate
02:40 PM fragalot: weight 35kg
02:40 PM fragalot: volume 117kg
02:41 PM gloops: sounds expensive
02:42 PM fragalot: i'm just wondering who decided to measure volume in kg
02:43 PM SpeedEvil: Volumetric weight
02:43 PM SpeedEvil: It's a way of saying how awkward volumetrically your package is.
02:44 PM SpeedEvil: You may often be charged for the higher of the two
02:44 PM fragalot: could have still used a better unit >.>
02:44 PM SpeedEvil: It's not actually a volume either
02:45 PM fragalot: That just makes it worse :P
02:45 PM SpeedEvil: 1cm*1cm*10m is not as cheap to ship as 10cm*10cm*10cm
02:45 PM fragalot: of course not
02:45 PM fragalot: but it's still silly to say "volume: xx kg", if it's neither a volume, nor a weight in kg
02:46 PM fragalot: invent something new
02:47 PM gloops: basically theyre gonna have you
02:48 PM gloops: sometimes cheaper to buy a pallet space, forget what weight limit is but anything that goes on a pallet - 1 price
03:04 PM uw: just sent an email for my mesa parts
03:04 PM uw: hopefully he gets back to me soon
03:04 PM uw: want to get this on the way
03:04 PM uw: I hate stepper motors but they will just be so much easier
03:04 PM uw: and cheaper
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: not sure what countries this works with but we get international orders with a local shipping address...
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: they look like freight forwarders, but their shipping speeds are really quick
03:28 PM gloops: what you making uw?
03:40 PM gloops: something has been puzzling me
03:41 PM gloops: going over youtube tutorials for Blender
03:41 PM gloops: wondering why, a free app has so many obviously talented tutorial makers
03:41 PM pink_vampire: Blender ...
03:41 PM gloops: yes, you should learn this pink_vampire
03:42 PM fragalot: gloops: perhaps because it's actually an industry standard?
03:42 PM gloops: so, you cant make money selling the app its free, but..you can make money teaching people to use the app
03:42 PM fragalot: you can always earn money teaching people
03:43 PM uw: gloops: a plasma table
03:43 PM gloops: well thats what theyre doing, they give the modelling tutorials free because modelling is the easy bit
03:43 PM gloops: ahh very good uw
03:51 PM Rab: gloops, you may be conflating the user and developer communities. Lots of Photoshop tutorials as well, which aren't produced or endorsed by Adobe.
03:53 PM gloops: maybe, it just struck me though that some of these people are not your typical user/fan, they are very good communicators
03:54 PM gloops: with the odd hour here and there though, this will take more than 1 year to cover modelling alone
03:55 PM gloops: still surprised more dont use it for cnc work, you can draw precisely, you can assemble and animate and test physics
03:57 PM Rab: I think Blender also addresses a large community of professional and amateur artists, who aren't poised to participate in development but are well positioned to make and share tutorials.
03:58 PM gloops: i guess its standard issue for art/movie animation, it even saves in dreamworks or pixar format
03:58 PM gloops: so lots of students using it
03:59 PM Rab: I was surprised to find out that Blender is apparently a fully capable video editor, and one of the better OSS options for that task.
03:59 PM gloops: oh yeah, look at some of the stuff they do with video, stunning
03:59 PM Rab: Albeit with a steeper learning curve than purpose-built NLE software, which is why I didn't pursue it.
03:59 PM gloops: someone was doing a road exploding in #blender, pretty good special effect
04:01 PM gloops: doesnt seem to be a lot of paper books on it though
04:12 PM gloops: UK Tech Investment Surges 115% < highest in the world i think
04:17 PM gloops: kids in england will start playing with meccano sets and electronics kits again
04:19 PM hazzy-dev: Gloops: I don't follow politics much, is that due possibly to increased confidence after brexit?
04:20 PM gloops: hazzy probably a few factors - for one we are going to have to stop relying on banking now, so we need to re-develop industry and tech
04:21 PM gloops: the pound fell which made exports cheaper, although it has now returned to former value
04:23 PM gloops: confidence is something to do with it as well, in the people, its a bit scary at first pulling off the state teat, but you soon get into the national pride thing
04:25 PM gloops: i know which id prefer, a nation of science and innovation and inventors and makers
04:25 PM hazzy-dev: Very interesting , so much of the UK economy was based on banking? I guess because it was one of the more stable members of the EU
04:25 PM gloops: to a nation of selfish yuppies
04:25 PM roycroft: then you should move to scotland, gloops :)
04:25 PM hazzy-dev: Absolutely!
04:25 PM roycroft: if they would have a sassenach like you :P
04:26 PM gloops: i used to like scotland, it isnt such a favourable place now
04:27 PM gloops: hazzy the EU controlled the economics to prevent over supply, germany did the engineering, france did the farming, we did the banking
04:32 PM hazzy-dev: gloops: I had no clue that is how the EU worked. That seems so foreign to me that I can hardly even imagine what it would be like
04:34 PM gloops: terrible, i really think a few generations of british kids have lost out bigtime, i can remember when industry was still in full swing here, it was a totally different world
04:35 PM gloops: anyway bedtime for me
04:35 PM Deejay: gn8
04:37 PM hazzy-dev: I learned something today! Night gloops
04:39 PM roycroft: it's not just a british problem, gloops
04:40 PM roycroft: the trades are really suffering here in the us as the workforce ages and young kids don't want to get their hands dirty
04:41 PM roycroft: industry's decimation of trade unions and slashing wages and eliminating benefits does't help
04:41 PM roycroft: nobody wants to have to work really hard for shit wages, shit conditions, and no benefits
04:41 PM roycroft: and be required to go to trade school first on their own nickel, which is really not a nickel any more but tens of thousands of dollars
04:42 PM roycroft: because we have no apprenticeship programs any more
04:42 PM roycroft: industry doesn't think it's their job to train their workers
04:42 PM roycroft: it's the government's job, but they don't want to pay their fair share of taxes so that government can afford to do it
04:43 PM roycroft: we're experiencing near record low unemployment at the moment, yet hundreds of thousands of skilled jobs go unfilled because industry refuse to pay decent wages
04:44 PM roycroft: and then they whine that they are forced to oursource because nobody wants to work
04:44 PM hazzy-dev: roycroft: I think it is a huge shame that the apprenticeship programs are gone. It seems like the provided excelent training and were very cost effective and advantageous for all parties
04:44 PM roycroft: it is, hazzy-dev
04:45 PM roycroft: but that's how corporate america operates
04:45 PM roycroft: they don't want to pay any taxes
04:45 PM roycroft: they demand that government provide them with the infrastructure they need to operate their plants
04:46 PM roycroft: they demand that their employees enter the job market fully-trained and ready to do
04:46 PM fragalot: one of the big issues here is that education focussing on manual labor is seen as the garbage of society
04:46 PM roycroft: they don't want to pay for *anything* except shareholder dividends and hooker money for the execs
04:46 PM fragalot: only for those that "can't make it" in other forms of education
04:48 PM fragalot: but industry is picking up everywhere again
04:49 PM fragalot: manufacturing is returning to "the west" as automation increases
04:49 PM hazzy-dev: fragalot: And it used to be the other way around. The loosers who could not get an apprenticeship when to tech school
04:51 PM hazzy-dev: There is an excellent book on the subject from the 20s, absolutely fascinating, let me see it I can find it
04:51 PM fragalot: don't bother, i'm off to bed. :P
04:52 PM hazzy-dev: https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Engineer-America-1830-1910-Professional/dp/B01FIZ3YW2
04:52 PM hazzy-dev: gn8
05:09 PM TurBoss: Hello
05:10 PM TurBoss: what could I display to a 40x2 hd44780 lcd display?
05:11 PM TurBoss: other than current pos :D
05:11 PM Rab: Whatever you want!
05:12 PM TurBoss: current GCODE line could be awesome
05:12 PM TurBoss: I mean current line
05:16 PM TurBoss: found motion.program−line
05:16 PM Rab: You could monitor current draw of the spindle, motors, etc.
05:16 PM Rab: Spindle RPM.
05:21 PM TurBoss: I'll try to implement this -> https://bitbucket.org/moonglow/openxhc/src/d91d201083120eecc5688ef0e1fb7eee501254c9/xhc_mpg_hid_format.pdf?at=master&fileviewer=file-view-default
05:54 PM hazzy-dev: Hey TurBoss!
05:54 PM hazzy-dev: That would be nice!
05:54 PM hazzy-dev: I still want to make a TurBoDRO
05:54 PM hazzy-dev: :)
05:55 PM hazzy-dev: Are you still using it?
05:56 PM TurBoss: yes
05:56 PM TurBoss: I use it allways
05:57 PM TurBoss: :D
05:57 PM TurBoss: hazzy-dev: how can I help you?
05:59 PM TurBoss: I used a Teensy ++ 2.0
05:59 PM TurBoss: but some other mcu could be used
06:02 PM hazzy-dev: You can help me by adding 5 hrs to each day :)
06:02 PM TurBoss: its easy
06:02 PM TurBoss: sleep only 3
06:03 PM hazzy-dev: I knew you would say that!
06:03 PM hazzy-dev: Sleep is the for the weak
06:03 PM TurBoss: :P
06:04 PM hazzy-dev: You gave me a lot of info on making the TurBoDRO, I saved it all some where so should still have it
06:04 PM hazzy-dev: afk
06:04 PM TurBoss: I used 3 maxim 7219 chained in series
06:05 PM TurBoss: oh great