Apr 17 2018
12:12 AM fragalot: hi
12:15 AM CaptHindsight: is anyone else getting contacted by crazy customers this week?
12:15 AM CaptHindsight: it's only Monday and all wackos
12:15 AM fragalot: yup
12:15 AM * fragalot is wondering if an old file could be turned into a decent scraper
12:16 AM SpeedEvil: Got any router bits?
12:16 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/60mm-Long-Dual-Flutes-Straight-Router-Bit-Tungsten-Carbide-Steel-Replacement-1-4-x-3-8
12:17 AM SpeedEvil: >20mm long straight bit.
12:17 AM fragalot: that'd work.. unlike that URL
12:18 AM CaptHindsight: hehe
12:18 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Khaaaaaaaaan/32692244091.html
12:18 AM CaptHindsight: it's the idea of a URL
12:18 AM CaptHindsight: Estimated Delivery Time:20-39days hmm maybe by June
12:19 AM fragalot: i've got a few boxes of worn out ones hamstered away somewhere
12:19 AM fragalot: :P
12:19 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Raw-Materials/Metals/Carbide-Blanks/Rectangular-Carbide-Blanks?navid=12102069
12:19 AM fragalot: CaptHindsight: let me rephrase
12:20 AM fragalot: I can't seem to find them IN EUROPE. :P
12:20 AM CaptHindsight: just another example of uhmerican superiority :)
12:20 AM CaptHindsight: we have these places called industrial supply houses
12:21 AM CaptHindsight: they are full of Chinese goods
12:21 AM fragalot: so do we, but they don't typically carry these specialized implements
12:21 AM CaptHindsight: but you have better Ales
12:21 AM SpeedEvil: replacement carbide blades for electric planers.
12:22 AM SpeedEvil: Mounting them will be fun, or maybe just use a whole pile of silver solder.
12:25 AM fragalot: https://www.lasaulec.nl/sandvik-coromant-620-25-h10-schraapstaal/a149928 <= found one!
12:26 AM SpeedEvil: That's a whole lot of silver solder.
12:27 AM fragalot: no silver solder involved?
12:27 AM SpeedEvil: I mean for that price, you could get.
12:28 AM fragalot: not really, maybe 5 short rods?
12:29 AM CaptHindsight: but look at that ergonomic orange handle
12:29 AM CaptHindsight: wait a day, I'm sure someone must know some sources there
12:29 AM fragalot: yup
12:30 AM CaptHindsight: no luck using my hmerican google
12:30 AM fragalot: I'll try grinding a file this evenin I think
12:31 AM CaptHindsight: a few months ago I was looking for something in the UK and then for the next few weeks Google search results were all UK first
12:31 AM fragalot: xD
12:31 AM CaptHindsight: sucks when they try to predict what you want and from where
12:32 AM fragalot: that's why i've stopped using google
12:32 AM IchGucksLive: moring from germany
12:32 AM SpeedEvil: I made my own from brass powder and silver, worked well.
12:32 AM SpeedEvil: silver is pretty cheap.
12:32 AM SpeedEvil: $500/kg
12:40 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
01:52 AM Deejay: moin
01:55 AM selroc: hello
02:01 AM gloops: new enzyme engineered in the UK eats plastic bottles in days
02:01 AM gloops: i knew theyd sort the problem out
02:25 AM fragalot: Hi
02:26 AM SpeedEvil: I prefer the solution of adding a tailored copolymer that enables PET+PP copolymer to work
02:30 AM fragalot: My favorite task: finding characters in random areas of code that were added because the IDE stole focus whilst writing an email
02:37 AM gloops: the thing with breaking plastic down to recycle it - nobody is going to do that
02:38 AM gloops: it was the same with glass, govmt made a rule that glass companies had to use 25% recycled glass
02:38 AM gloops: the companies pointed out that recycled glass is crap, and they already had enough broken glass of their own to meet the 25% target
02:39 AM fragalot: I thought glass was recycled loads because it made it easier to produce new glass as it took less energy
02:39 AM gloops: the best way to 'recycle' is to make things that can be re-used
02:40 AM gloops: fragalot even when making 'new' glass a percentage of old glass is added, but when the percentage gets too high problems arise
02:41 AM gloops: the end up with more cracked bottles on the production line than they put in at the start
02:42 AM gloops: with plastics its cheaper to use the crude polymers than recycle
02:52 AM gloops: i see wood burning is also get re-visited, higher emissions than coal, long lasting devastation of forests taking place
02:56 AM gloops: Drax power station switched to wood pellets, cost the govmt 2 billion, but emissions were not reduced, all that happened is that targets were met, so it gets signed off, thats the problem with regulating to achieve anything
03:48 AM gloops: https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/947170/Eurozone-Germany-recession-economy-Macroeconomic-Policy-Institute-D-sseldorf
05:43 AM gloops: hmm, bit of a loose end so far as testing goes as waiting for drivers, will attend to the smaller jobs that still need doing in the meantime
06:32 AM Beachbumpete1: MORNING LINUXCNC :)
06:33 AM skunkworks: limit - 5 per customer.
06:34 AM * skunkworks just makes 2 orders.. done
06:34 AM skunkworks: newegg - you crazy crazy site
06:38 AM Beachbumpete1: I bought lots of stuff from newegg for the PC's in the CNC's
07:31 AM miss0r: fragalot: pictures!
07:31 AM fragalot: miss0r: gimme a minute :)
08:28 AM skunkworks: points for rigidity... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWBtUGUXZGo
08:31 AM gregcnc: might be fun to see one on a 13L Cat block
08:34 AM Rab: :O
08:36 AM gloops: nice one, ive got an old cast iron boiler about 2ft cube...the thought did cross my mind
08:38 AM gloops: i concluded though that milling metal is for people with no life!
08:38 AM gregcnc: ?
08:39 AM gloops: just a joke really
08:45 AM miss0r: he understand the importance of old cast iron :D
09:18 AM skunkworks: some cast - mostly welded steel..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39q6kvrSBSk
09:23 AM gloops: thing is, here anyway, there isnt much point going to any great length to make a machine from cast iron, there are plenty of existing old machines still around
09:24 AM methods_: skunkworks: lookin good is that a new machine you converted?
09:29 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/milling-machine/302706581412?
09:31 AM skunkworks: 'new'.. no. we have had it since the mid 80's converted around 2010. built in the 60'd
09:31 AM skunkworks: 60's
09:34 AM gloops: bridgeport, £530 5 hours to go https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/bridgeport-milling-machine/222921479908?
09:34 AM gloops: stick a 2 or 3 in front of that in america probably
09:53 AM methods_: skunkworks: i know it's an old machine lol, i thought it was a "new" conversion
09:54 AM methods_: was tool prefetch not working before?
09:57 AM skunkworks: with the old GE controll - we never used the tool changer much. very unreliable.
10:16 AM IchGucksLive: hi alll
10:17 AM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel, what a weathere outside
10:24 AM Beachbumpete1: skunkworks jeez that K&T is a beast ;)
10:48 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
10:55 AM fragalot: Hi
10:58 AM hazzy-dev1 is now known as hazzy-dev
11:00 AM hazzy-dev: Did anybody ever find out anything about archivist?
11:07 AM SpeedEvil: nope
11:14 AM skunkworks: Beachbumpete1: it is a fun machine to use.
11:14 AM skunkworks: 8 tons of cutting force
11:15 AM skunkworks: it moves fixtures without even trying when you make a mistake
11:15 AM skunkworks: hazzy-dev: no ;(
11:16 AM skunkworks: maybe we could get andy to inquire
11:19 AM CaptHindsight: it's not late there now
11:19 AM Beachbumpete1: wow
11:23 AM CaptHindsight: whois archivist.info lists two different phone numbers
11:24 AM DaViruz: something's happened?
11:24 AM CaptHindsight: archivist hasn't been in the channels for months
11:24 AM CaptHindsight: and all his servers are down
11:29 AM Beachbumpete1: damn hope hes okay
11:29 AM DaViruz: odd, his client disconnected only a couple of hours after he last spoke, if something happened to him i'd assume it'd stay connected for longer
11:30 AM DaViruz: yeah me too
11:30 AM gloops: funny im just looking at something
11:31 AM gloops: i dont think this stuff is hhttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Horizontal-milling-machine-Cutters/222925329896?is...
11:31 AM gloops: but read the description
11:31 AM gloops: he lives near Derby
11:32 AM Beachbumpete1: that does not sound too good
11:33 AM Beachbumpete1: wonder if anyone here knows him personally and could check in on him but probably not huh
11:34 AM gloops: i thought i recognised that single red brick running round the garage wall from archivists photos, but really, he had a better organised workshop im sure, and better machines
11:34 AM Beachbumpete1: he did have a lot of older machines like that tho
11:34 AM gloops: he did, he had a lot of stuff
11:35 AM CaptHindsight: contact the seller and ask if he knows Dave
11:35 AM gloops: i could ring the numbers for archivist, but i didnt want to, i thought he'd blocked me
11:36 AM gloops: ill contact ebay seller, what was archivists name?
11:36 AM DaViruz: dave caroline
11:36 AM gloops: ok
11:36 AM CaptHindsight: if he answers start with I'm sorry
11:36 AM Beachbumpete1: Does Andy know him?
11:37 AM CaptHindsight: not in person last time I asked
11:37 AM Beachbumpete1: ah
11:39 AM Beachbumpete1: this is an interesting house we are working on
11:40 AM Beachbumpete1: sort of a simpler kind of Frank Lloyd Wright style but if he had designed a beach house ;)
11:41 AM CaptHindsight: the other machine in auction also mentions "My neighbour has been taken into care"
11:42 AM Loetmichel: *HMPF* that didn work sooo well... should have cleaned the grinding dust better after egalizing the paint edges before applying the wrap... luckily i bought a few spare feet of that foil for testing... (and that hood is trash anyways, rust) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17061&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
11:42 AM CaptHindsight: it that the term for "social services"?
11:42 AM Loetmichel: ... i cant do anything perfect the first time... but i can learn it pretty fast ;)
11:42 AM gloops: well 'care' could mean a couple of things
11:43 AM gloops: thats what i saw the taken into care bit
11:44 AM gloops: could mean medical care - hospitalised, or social care, i think he would have said if he was going into old folks home - he'd just fitted new windows in house
11:45 AM gloops: could have got a g/f, maybe fell off ladder or hurt himself on machine, or just decided to quit online activity, or maybe hacked
11:46 AM CaptHindsight: if he had an injury, heart attack or similar ....
11:46 AM gloops: possible, what are the phone numbers?
11:47 AM CaptHindsight: one might go from a hospital to an extended care facility
11:47 AM gloops: yes, palliative care
11:47 AM CaptHindsight: whois archivist.info
11:48 AM CaptHindsight: two numbers and two addresses
11:48 AM CaptHindsight: pretty sure he hosted his own server
11:51 AM gloops: not finding him
11:52 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:52 AM DaViruz: https://www.whois.com/whois/archivist.info
11:54 AM CaptHindsight: https://web.archive.org/web/sitemap/http://www.archivist.info
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel, 30 anounced on friedad
12:01 PM Loetmichel: 30°C?`
12:01 PM Loetmichel: you missed my first dips into wrapping the car though...
12:01 PM Loetmichel: [18:40] <Loetmichel> *HMPF* that didn work sooo well... should have cleaned the grinding dust better after egalizing the paint edges before applying the wrap... luckily i bought a few spare feet of that foil for testing... (and that hood is trash anyways, rust) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17061&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
12:02 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: does it endlessly ring or are they no longer in service?
12:03 PM gloops: his own number no longer recognised, just spoke to a gent at Richards of Burton, arhcivist not worked there for years but he can find out if hes ok - going to ring me tommorrow
12:03 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.clock-works.clara.net/ maybe someone at his old clockworks might know something
12:04 PM gloops: just been in touch with them, the gent sounded very...clocky
12:04 PM roycroft: as in obvious what makes him tick?
12:04 PM CaptHindsight: buh dum bum
12:05 PM gloops: gravelly voice, very measured sentences etc, i wont go into details LOL
12:05 PM CaptHindsight: went on about how Queen Victoria never returned his letters
12:06 PM roycroft: who was that?
12:06 PM roycroft: some rapper the other day was making a reference to queen victoria
12:06 PM roycroft: as the current monarch
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel, my 3 cars dident even see a major clean operation for decates
12:06 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: same thing
12:07 PM CaptHindsight: queens and all that royals stuff
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel, i got one that had GREEN grass while opend after the winter in it inside the SCHEUNE
12:07 PM roycroft: i can understand most folks not following every detail of the royals
12:07 PM Loetmichel: IchGucksLive: its better to clean them well after sanding before you start to appy foil though... as i just learned
12:07 PM roycroft: but i can't imagine anyone in western society not knowing who the current queen of england is
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: agree
12:07 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: some victoria?
12:07 PM Loetmichel: :-)
12:07 PM roycroft: otoh, i also can't understand how anyone in america cannot know who the president is, but there are some folks
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel, i got only trouble with frotlight glas and 8000 sandpaper clened it
12:08 PM Loetmichel: i sanded a paint edge away just before applying that foil.
12:08 PM Loetmichel: with 180 grit paper
12:08 PM Loetmichel: not 8000 ;)
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: roycroft, AMISH wont need the president
12:09 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: Ronald Reagan
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: amish do not beliuve in the US world
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: but they grow 25% of the US weat
12:10 PM roycroft: i'm not suggesting that all americans have an opinion of, or even care about who is president
12:10 PM Tom_L: roycroft, who is she?
12:10 PM roycroft: just that it's difficult to live in this country and not know who the president is
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: RED neks in the deap swamp will only get the fuel price
12:11 PM roycroft: and it's the same with the queen
12:11 PM roycroft: she's been the queen since 1952
12:11 PM roycroft: before most folks were born
12:11 PM CaptHindsight: was just watching George Carlin go on about Reagan 30+ years ago
12:14 PM CaptHindsight: don't queens named Elizabeth tend to live and reign for long periods?
12:15 PM gloops: there have only been the 2
12:16 PM gloops: the first was cast in the true british monarch style, a lioness
12:17 PM gloops: cheap bridgeports https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bridgeport-Universal-Milling-Machine/222916666509?
12:18 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/bridgeport-milling-machine/222921479908?
12:22 PM skunkworks: < splud> skunkworks - tried telephoning him home and biz - no answer.
12:23 PM skunkworks: 12:18 < splud> (several times)
12:23 PM gloops: didnt ring for me
12:23 PM skunkworks: ##electronics
12:23 PM gloops: he was in #freecad as well
12:26 PM methods_: has andypugh visited him before?
12:27 PM methods_: andy might be able to get ahold of him
12:27 PM Tom_L: when andy was in the US i gave him some docs to deliver to arch but i dunno if that happened so he knows where he lives
12:27 PM methods_: yeah i thought archivist had mentioned andy coming by before
12:29 PM * roycroft suspects that archivist is more likely otherwise engaged than having suffered a catastrophe, and that the channel are prematurely concerned
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: archivist is of duty as he is realy bussy on his business
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: im off
12:32 PM fragalot: roycroft: I think archivist and andy have eloped.
12:33 PM fragalot: they ran off and started a new life in nambia, enjoying some covfefe together. :)
12:35 PM gloops: i seem to remember he was online less for a couple of weeks before he disappeared, i also noticed a few out of character comments the last day or 2 he was online
12:35 PM gloops: maybe he did get a big order or something ni
12:37 PM gloops: he was also looking for some wood machines - disc sander and other stuff, maybe got a clock order
01:07 PM fragalot: syyl: do you know if the gedore scrapers are worth botering with?
01:07 PM fragalot: bothering*
01:14 PM Beachbumpete1: so whats the story? Is archivist amongst the missing? Has he been abducted? by aliens perhaps? or maybe he is sitting on some carribbean beach sipping Pina coladas surrounded by scantily clad native girls that are amazed by his command of machine tool aspects language? ;)
01:17 PM Tom_L: no story yet, news at 10
01:26 PM Rab: I'm not too familiar with archivist or his circumstances, but I do remember that his site was extremely slow, as if he were self-hosting over dial-up or similar. If his connectivity is being reorganized, that could account for net/phone disappearance.
01:47 PM Beachbumpete1: Tom_L LOL
02:22 PM gloops: who is archivist herron?
02:22 PM fragalot: same guy, but his work account, I believe
02:22 PM CaptHindsight: where is Andy, now he's also missing :)
02:22 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: told you they eloped
02:22 PM pcw_mesa: Alps
02:22 PM gloops: andy was here on saturday
02:22 PM fragalot: gloops: your suggestion with vacuum alone didn't work by the way
02:22 PM gloops: herron is an irish oil firm
02:23 PM gloops: ahh, well sorry if you wasted any material on that fragalot
02:23 PM fragalot: gloops: was worth the shot :-)
02:23 PM fragalot: and herron is from herron windows, I believe
02:24 PM gloops: oh ..that herron
02:24 PM gloops: he went back to fitting windows??
02:24 PM fragalot: could be that he still runs the webserver
02:24 PM fragalot: iunno :P
02:24 PM fragalot: too busy hunting down scrapers :d
02:24 PM gloops: so have you got a working procedure yet fragalot?
02:25 PM fragalot: more epoxy & vibrate the hell out of it
02:25 PM gloops: whatever works
02:25 PM gloops: so long as something does
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: why is it usually the wrong people that get cancer, die or leave the channel?
02:26 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: because those stand out more?
02:26 PM gloops: that clock shop sounded a nice place to work, heard the old fashioned doorbell go while i was on the phone
03:05 PM gloops: not many newbies joining here
03:06 PM gloops: surprising thousands of diy machines built every week now
03:06 PM fragalot: IRC is a dying race.
03:07 PM XXCoder: it will be ALWAYS dying. https://xkcd.com/1782/
03:07 PM gloops: it might seem so, but there are just as many on the servers as there used to be
03:07 PM fragalot: gloops: stagnated, you mean
03:08 PM gloops: hmm, actually there arent Undernet - There are 2580 users and 14887 invisible on 35 servers
03:08 PM gloops: 2500 - down from 30000
03:09 PM fragalot: you mean 14887 + 2580
03:09 PM gloops: well the visible users i remember was around 30k
03:09 PM fragalot: people realized it's not good to be visible :P
03:09 PM XXCoder: well if irc is dying how do we add more people
03:09 PM gloops: posssibly
03:10 PM CaptHindsight: we need a new internet :)
03:10 PM methods_: i saw that tv show
03:10 PM gloops: irc needs profile pics and movies
03:10 PM CaptHindsight: oh god noooo
03:10 PM CaptHindsight: no profile pics
03:10 PM fragalot: no.
03:10 PM fragalot: that's the beauty of IRC
03:10 PM fragalot: it's simple
03:10 PM CaptHindsight: I've seen people from here
03:10 PM fragalot: if you want fancy stuff go to discord
03:11 PM XXCoder: irc is very old protocol and awesome
03:11 PM XXCoder: no need to fancy it up
03:11 PM gloops: why would you buy an iphone 10 to come on a text only platform
03:11 PM * fragalot is half tempted to put an ASCII art "avatar" in front of everything he says now
03:11 PM gloops: people communicate with photos these days
03:11 PM CaptHindsight: the kewl kids are all of snapchat and similar
03:12 PM gloops: this is from the days when you downloaded mp3s
03:12 PM CaptHindsight: I vote that we move the channel to instagram
03:13 PM gloops: im not on instagram, so maybe a good idea
03:15 PM gloops: the linuxcnc webpage should clearly show a link to freenode #here
03:15 PM fragalot: all the cool kids use grbl or marlin anyway
03:16 PM gloops: yes maybe thats where theyre going, lot using it on facebook
03:16 PM gloops: grbl is faster than this
03:33 PM gregcnc: https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/linuxcnc/
03:39 PM gloops: well i dont mind these things for sharing photos of a project or what your making or doing or just for fun
03:40 PM gloops: i just cant get into the mutual photographers ego stroking
03:41 PM Deejay: gn8
03:42 PM gloops: people buy a 10k camera, climb to the top of a mountain at 5am to get a photo, just for the buzz the instagram likes give him
03:42 PM gregcnc: SO
03:43 PM fragalot: I mean.. I do that, but with the instagram part
03:43 PM gloops: thats the part i dont like
03:43 PM rmu: I do that, but without the instagram or any internet part.
03:43 PM gregcnc: it's ok if you don't want to share it
03:44 PM gloops: lol, well i dont mean to offend any photographers here, its just my old stick in the mud view of it
03:45 PM gregcnc: what nobody shared anything?
03:46 PM gloops: gregcnc what you have to ask yourself, do they really have any interest in photography or are they only interested in the online ego boost
03:46 PM gloops: all this is designed to sell GEAR you know
03:47 PM gregcnc: people will need things to do when the bots take over their jobs
03:47 PM fragalot: good job you're on IRC talking about how good your router is instead then. :)
03:47 PM gloops: fragalot anyone in here knows im not one to blow my own trumpet
03:47 PM gloops: im making a router purely for practical purposes
03:47 PM gregcnc: but it looks the same to an outsider
03:47 PM rmu: I'm sure nobody in #linuxcnc is affected by gear acquisition syndrome
03:48 PM fragalot: rmu: lol
03:48 PM gloops: rmu my first machine was made with bicycle sprockets and chains
03:49 PM gloops: i really wish id had the room to keep it, until i die, it was a real accomplishment
03:50 PM gregcnc: so when you post of pic of your machine finally done and reliable shoudl i not comment job well done or...?
03:51 PM Rab: Why should I have to allow a bunch of despicable domains and their horrid jawascript just to see a picture? It's more like sharing needles than "sharing" media.
03:51 PM XXCoder: Rab: I use noscript
03:51 PM Rab: XXCoder, me too.
03:51 PM XXCoder: if its bad enough I just go elsewhere.
03:51 PM gloops: gregcnc i welcome any critique, positive or negative
03:51 PM fragalot: Rab: pihole takes good care of those domains
03:51 PM rmu: instagram seems to live in facebook-space, so no instagram here
03:51 PM fragalot: ublock & noscript take care of the rest
03:52 PM gregcnc: I'm sure those guy posting photos of mountains are the same
03:52 PM XXCoder: btw acebook and instantgram apps have been recording your texts.
03:52 PM XXCoder: for years.
03:52 PM gregcnc: facebook owns instagram
03:52 PM XXCoder: I checked my record, its empty because I never use facebook any apps ever.
03:53 PM rmu: I block whole facebook AS on router, instagram is just collateral damage
03:53 PM gloops: see this is a problem with linux
03:53 PM gloops: linux users avoid the commercial mediums, and by doing so - convert no-one
03:55 PM rmu: gloops: I've "converted" numerous places from SCO to linux, from NT to linux, from sourcesafe to svn and so on ;-)
03:55 PM fragalot: rmu: why not git?
03:55 PM rmu: fragalot: did not exist yet
03:55 PM XXCoder: linux runs huge amunt of servers
03:56 PM gregcnc: anyone grooving <=1mm wide 3+mm deep on the lathe, I'm looking for tooling
03:56 PM fragalot: gregcnc: I do that using a ground 8mm HSS blank, though i've only done maybe 30 or so grooves with it
03:56 PM fragalot: it's 0,6mm wide, 2.5mm deep
03:58 PM gregcnc: I'd have to come up with a decent setup to grind tools
03:59 PM fragalot: I spent some time making an alternative head to put on my D-bit grinder
03:59 PM gloops: s'only like a parting tool?
03:59 PM fragalot: to hold HSS blanks
04:03 PM gregcnc: I'll probably have to get an new Nikcole holder
04:03 PM gloops: what is the job gregcnc?
04:04 PM gregcnc: grooving
04:04 PM gloops: i mean, whats the grooved part for
04:04 PM gregcnc: nothing
04:05 PM gregcnc: nothing interfaces the groove it's just a groove because you know.... grooves
04:06 PM gloops: well, id just run a sliver of tool steel up on the bench grinder myself
04:08 PM gloops: gantry for ally id guess https://www.instagram.com/p/Besr--cgDee/?tagged=linuxcnc
04:18 PM Tom_L: gregcnc, making hot ends for reprappers now? :)
04:20 PM gregcnc: no
04:20 PM Tom_L: condenser coils from solid stock?
04:20 PM Tom_L: i give up...
04:20 PM gregcnc: but it is heatsink finning
04:21 PM Tom_L: i did a couple reprap parts just to see if i could
04:21 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/reprap/drive6.jpg
04:21 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/reprap/nozzle8.jpg
04:21 PM Tom_L: just for the heck of it
04:22 PM Tom_L: fins aren't that thin on the heatsink though
04:22 PM Tom_L: i didn't feel like making a special tool
04:24 PM gregcnc: yeah i'd rather buy
04:25 PM Tom_L: can't beat china for that
04:25 PM gregcnc: china tools?
04:25 PM Tom_L: no, reprap parts
04:26 PM Tom_L: <- doesn't own one
05:01 PM slakwhere: hello all, i'm in process of setting up a LinuxCNC based CNC on a grizzly g0704 with a Leadshine mx4660. having some issues getting the home/limit switches working. I've got it wired to Input 2 on one side of the switch and GND on the other. that should be Pin 11 on the DB25 connector, which is what i have set in the stepconf (tried inverted and not).
05:02 PM slakwhere: any hints on this config?
05:02 PM slakwhere: trying to run in "all limits + homing" mode, 1 big circuit with NC switches so any break is detected (so i don't crash trying to failed switches)
05:04 PM slakwhere: should i be seeing 12vdc+ out of the inputs? do i need to supply the inputs with 12vdc+? ground?
05:04 PM slakwhere: is there some way to test/visualize the input inside linux CNC?
05:06 PM gregcnc: voltage would be per your breakout board
05:06 PM gregcnc: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/tools.html
05:07 PM slakwhere: well those will certainly help!
05:10 PM JT-Shop: slakwhere: parallel port?
05:10 PM pcw_mesa: you can launch halshow from axis (and maybe other LinuxCNC GUIs)
05:10 PM CaptHindsight: slakwhere: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester
05:11 PM JT-Shop: you can launch halshow from a terminal with any gui running I think
05:13 PM slakwhere: yes, parallel port
05:13 PM slakwhere: halshow will give me
05:13 PM gregcnc: I have a machine set up on a single parport pin with pull up resistors on opto switches
05:14 PM slakwhere: gregcnc these are physical limit switches, do i still need the pullup resistors?
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: slakwhere: which breakout board are you using?
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: how the BOB (break out board) is designed will tell us that
05:15 PM slakwhere: Leadshine MX 4660
05:16 PM slakwhere: http://www.leadshine.com/UploadFile/Down/MX4660d_V1.1.pdf
05:17 PM slakwhere: I've got a switch wired to Input2 and GND
05:18 PM slakwhere: Input2 appears to be Pin11, so i set LinuxCNC StepConf to Home+Limit all on Pin11. i've tried it both inverted and not.
05:20 PM rmu: slakwhere: if the BOB does not pull up the input, you will need a pull up resistor to have defined voltage when switch is open
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: slakwhere: what is OPTO1 and OPTO2 tied to? anything?
05:22 PM slakwhere: captHindsight: currently tied to nothing.
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: ok there is the problem
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: the opto needs power...
05:23 PM slakwhere: so bridge opto1 to 12vdc+ ?
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: Power Input for opto-couplers for Input1 and Input2. Defaut is +12VDC and a +12Vdc Out is
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: available on board. A resistor isrequired for current limit when inputvoltage is higher than
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: +12 VDC. See more information in Section 12 or its hardware manual. This design makes
05:24 PM CaptHindsight: digital inputs can work with external devices NOT only rated at 12 VDC with higher
05:24 PM CaptHindsight: reliability and more flexiblity, such as working with proximity sensors rated at different voltages.
05:24 PM CaptHindsight: slakwhere: yes, try that to the 12VDC+
05:25 PM CaptHindsight: then what your limit switch will do it close the contact between the pin Input2 and GND
05:25 PM slakwhere: so if i use the 12VDC+ out from the board it's really 12v no matter what my input voltage tot he board is, right? so i don't need a resistor?
05:26 PM CaptHindsight: Auxiliary power output (+12V @ 100mA). This auxiliary power outputs can be used as an input for OPTO1 or OPTO2.
05:26 PM CaptHindsight: slakwhere: if you use that ^^ then you don't need a resistor
05:27 PM slakwhere: perfect. then +12vdc out to opto 1.
05:27 PM CaptHindsight: I have the three axis version of your driver here
05:27 PM slakwhere: ok let me give that a shot, thanks guys! brb.
05:29 PM CaptHindsight: I wish that they didn't give dumbed down instruction without a simple equivalent schematic
05:30 PM CaptHindsight: and that everyone here get their own unicorn for free!
05:31 PM slakwhere: that totally did it!
05:32 PM slakwhere: press switch = freaked out about all 3 joints
05:32 PM CaptHindsight: \0/
05:33 PM slakwhere: i hit "home all axes" and simulated Z no problem, 2 clicks.
05:33 PM CaptHindsight: they designed your drive so that it could work with more than just 12V devices without extra external relays
05:34 PM slakwhere: X moved slowly, i clicked twice and then it seemed to rapid. need to adjust the ini file i think
05:34 PM CaptHindsight: have a pic of the machine?
05:34 PM slakwhere: i guess that makes sense if i needed more than 12v
05:34 PM slakwhere: i'm barely scratching the surface of this controller
05:34 PM slakwhere: so 12v is fine
05:35 PM slakwhere: let me snap something, Cap
05:38 PM CaptHindsight: heh how to undue the optoisolation http://hades.mech.northwestern.edu/images/d/df/Optoreflector_ex2_schematic.png
05:40 PM slakwhere: https://i.imgur.com/o0UDiRV.jpg
05:40 PM slakwhere: inherited this project in a 2/3 finished state from a buddy who bought a Tormac
05:41 PM slakwhere: belt drive motor (no spindle control yet), Hoss extension on the Y axis, MX4660, linuxCNC running on the PC and a decent 4" vise
05:42 PM slakwhere: i think i'll leave the opto iso alone :P
06:04 PM * hazzy-dev is debugging a calculator
06:05 PM hazzy-dev: literally pulling dead bugs out
06:06 PM slakwhere: ok, off to actually wire up all the switches i've installed for homing/limits.
06:06 PM hazzy-dev: and some sunflower seed shells that some operator must have dropped in long ago :)
06:06 PM slakwhere: thanks again all, esp CaptHindsight :D
06:06 PM hazzy-dev: https://i.imgur.com/RsqC3fi.jpg
06:08 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-dev: my dad used to work where they punched things like that out all day
06:08 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-dev: is that a Victor?
06:09 PM CaptHindsight: http://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NMAH-83-13958
06:18 PM hazzy-dev: CaptHindsight: No, it is a Marchant TR 10 FA
06:18 PM hazzy-dev: https://i.imgur.com/CsuCTeO.jpg
06:19 PM hazzy-dev: It was used at Los Alamos, and is marked property of the Atomic Energy Commission :)
06:20 PM JT-Shop: cool
06:20 PM hazzy-dev: https://i.imgur.com/JMtqaj8.jpg
06:20 PM hazzy-dev: I sure hope I can getting running again, they sound so good!
06:22 PM JT-Shop: enough work for today... time to head inside goodnight
06:31 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-dev: so literal debugging
06:40 PM hazzy-dev: CaptHindsight: Yes! Debugging in the original sense!
06:40 PM hazzy-dev: I am sure there are a lot of programmers these days that don't know the origins of the term
06:41 PM hazzy-dev: First bug I found, but I don't think he was causing any problems in that location: https://i.imgur.com/HFgbKMS.jpg
06:50 PM CaptHindsight: yuuck
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08:47 PM roycroft: i can use smartctl to map device names to disk serial numbers, so that takes care of the error message i get
08:47 PM roycroft: ack, mischan
09:29 PM uw: question for mesa products, has anyone ever used 7i92 ethernet card with 7i76 breakout?
09:31 PM uw: i was comparing the 7i92+7i76 and a superport set up (5i25+7i76)
09:32 PM uw: cant remember the mesa gentleman's name on here...but I know he's on here
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09:56 PM MrHindsight: 7i92 is an anything IO FPGA Ethernet card
09:58 PM MrHindsight: 7i76 is an anything IO (25pin) Step Direction daughter card
09:58 PM MrHindsight: anything IO daughter cards plug into anything IO FPGA cards
10:00 PM MrHindsight: uw: here's a graphic that shows what cards plug into what https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=common/home
10:01 PM MrHindsight: uw: most go to bed early around here :)
10:16 PM Tom_L: ole pharts
10:17 PM MrHindsight: ye ole pharts
10:19 PM uw: thank you MrHindsight
10:19 PM MrHindsight: nothing like getting to bed by 6pm to be up at 2am
10:19 PM uw: i dont even see the 7i76e on the website
10:20 PM MrHindsight: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=66
10:20 PM MrHindsight: http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i76eman.pdf
10:20 PM uw: awesome
10:20 PM uw: also
10:21 PM uw: not this build but I will have one coming up that uses steppers with encoders. Is there a breakout card that can do 5 axis step/dir output and encoder inputs
10:22 PM MrHindsight: i think i asked this last week
10:22 PM MrHindsight: and it was done with two daughter cards
10:22 PM uw: thats what I came across too
10:22 PM MrHindsight: one for Step Dir daughter and the other is an Encoder Input daughter
10:23 PM uw: so in that case i would need to use 5i25 anyway
10:23 PM uw: couldnt just use the ethernet solution
10:23 PM MrHindsight: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69_63&product_id=105
10:23 PM MrHindsight: 7i52 ^^
10:24 PM MrHindsight: for DB25 I think it's 7I85S 4 Channel encoder,
10:24 PM MrHindsight: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_87&product_id=125
10:26 PM uw: thank you is there a graphic that shows inputs?
10:26 PM MrHindsight: you have to decide in anything IO 50 pin vs DB25
10:26 PM MrHindsight: in/on
10:26 PM MrHindsight: sorry I got those mixed up earlier
10:27 PM uw: how about this set up, 5i25 connected to a 7i76 and 7i52?
10:27 PM MrHindsight: Anything IO vs DB25
10:27 PM uw: no prob I fun to talk to someone about these
10:27 PM uw: it's*
10:28 PM Tom_L: you get more io with the 40 pin don't you?
10:28 PM Tom_L: 17 on a db25
10:28 PM uw: the 5i25 have an extra port
10:29 PM uw: .100 spaced that provides 17 io also ( i think)
10:29 PM uw: they say 5i25 provides 34 i/o total
10:29 PM MrHindsight: i think so
10:29 PM Tom_L: yeah on the 2 headers
10:30 PM Tom_L: ethernet version would be 7i92 i think
10:30 PM uw: so 5i25 with 7i76 and 7i52 should be possible?
10:30 PM MrHindsight: uw: you can always email them with what your application is
10:30 PM MrHindsight: wish list
10:30 PM uw: yes, I will likely do that
10:31 PM uw: also looking to get feedback from real world users of each
10:31 PM uw: Currently i just use parallel port on my computer
10:31 PM uw: and set step/dir pins
10:31 PM MrHindsight: also a 7i89 with three 50 pin headers
10:31 PM Tom_L: i'm using a 7i90 off my parallel port on my mill
10:31 PM MrHindsight: sorry 7i80
10:31 PM MrHindsight: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=76
10:31 PM Tom_L: yeah that's kinda a direct replacement for the 7i90 only ethernet
10:33 PM Tom_L: ethernet requires preempt-rt instead of RTAI though
10:33 PM MrHindsight: uw: decide on how much GPIO you need in addition to the number of Step Dir
10:33 PM uw: so do you think I could use the 7i80hd with the 7i76 and 7i52?
10:33 PM Tom_L: if they're 40 pin headers they will interchange
10:33 PM Tom_L: he has an adapter otherwise
10:33 PM Tom_L: 40 to DB25
10:34 PM uw: Tom_L: I can set each kernel at boot time right? Also, I would probably get rid of the parallel port useage if I get one of these
10:34 PM Tom_L: bringing the leftover pins out to a header
10:34 PM Tom_L: preempt typically requires faster hardware
10:34 PM MrHindsight: The 7I80HD that uses 50 pin I/O connectors
10:34 PM Tom_L: i believe
10:34 PM MrHindsight: so it's either db25's or 50 pin headers
10:34 PM Tom_L: err 50 i guess...
10:35 PM uw: MrHindsight: this is future design, right now I just have 5 steppers, 2 of which are really slave set up
10:35 PM Tom_L: my bad..
10:35 PM uw: but yes i will have to figure out the io
10:35 PM MrHindsight: Tom_L: you had me worried there was more :)
10:35 PM uw: extra io would be 4 pins for each encoder
10:35 PM MrHindsight: db25, 50 pin and now 40 pin aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
10:36 PM uw: which mesa products do you guys use (if any)?
10:36 PM uw: I am new to them but know they have been around a long time
10:36 PM MrHindsight: various
10:37 PM MrHindsight: mostly servo daughter with PCIe FPGA
10:37 PM uw: any with encoder or resolver feedback?
10:37 PM uw: oh ok
10:37 PM Tom_L: http://www.mesanet.com/
10:37 PM Tom_L: look for HD-DB ADAPTER
10:38 PM Tom_L: i wouldn't go that way but it's available
10:38 PM MrHindsight: yes, the 7i77 is 6 Axis of analog servo outputs with encoder feedback, analog spindle speed
10:38 PM Tom_L: the extra pins are on the screw terminal
10:38 PM Tom_L: i believe
10:38 PM uw: that sounds like a good one, I wish they had an ethernet version of that
10:39 PM uw: I'm mostly just thinking about the latency of the system with feedback (why I'm so curious of real world examples)
10:39 PM uw: but maybe it's not a problem
10:39 PM uw: (seems people do install them anyway)
10:40 PM Tom_L: it should hook up to a 7i92 ok i'd think
10:40 PM MrHindsight: uw: they run a much slower servo loop on the PC 1Khz
10:41 PM Tom_L: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=302&search=7i92
10:41 PM Tom_L: says it will work with the 7i77
10:41 PM uw: interesting...
10:41 PM enleth: I don't exactly remember the servo loop frequency on my mill, but I'm pretty sure it was above 1kHz
10:42 PM enleth: 7i77
10:42 PM MrHindsight: I have a 7i92 with the 7i77 here
10:43 PM MrHindsight: enleth: you can run it higher
10:43 PM MrHindsight: you usually don't need to
10:44 PM uw: so you can run 7i77 with 7i92 but can't run 7i76 with 7i92 (instead, need to use the 7i76e)
10:44 PM enleth: whatever it is, it's enough to run at up to 7000mm/min with 5µm resolution encoders
10:44 PM MrHindsight: I think I sped one system up to see how fast the analog servo could run in open loop
10:44 PM uw: thank you for your input enleth
10:44 PM uw: i try to ask as many real world users but don't know any in person
10:45 PM uw: and also MrHindsight and Tom_L
10:45 PM enleth: uw: you most likely can run a 7i92 with 7i76, worst case you'd have to ask Mesa to do a firmware build for this specific configuration, they do it free of charge upon request
10:46 PM enleth: uw: but 7i76e is way simpler to set up, pretty much works out of the box
10:46 PM MrHindsight: 7i76e does not need an FPGA card since it has it's own onboard
10:47 PM uw: awesome thank you
10:47 PM uw: is there any known issues with certain ethernet devices not working great with 7i92?
10:47 PM uw: say for latency issues
10:48 PM uw: that you know of
10:48 PM enleth: uw: I'd say use Intel NICs if possible, but that's my personal preference, I just know they have the highest possible driver quality
10:48 PM MrHindsight: uw: you can't go through routers, hubs or switches
10:48 PM enleth: that too
10:49 PM enleth: have a dedicated NIC just for the Mesa card
10:49 PM uw: oh sure, thats no problem.
10:49 PM MrHindsight: but I recall it working in some way through a switch
10:49 PM MrHindsight: have to ask again or check the forums
10:49 PM enleth: MrHindsight: that's a gamble
10:49 PM enleth: the switch is perfectly allowed to hold up your packets and screw up the latency
10:50 PM enleth: unless maybe you've got an ASIC- or FPGA-based managed switch that you trust to properly implement independent queues for tagged ports
10:50 PM MrHindsight: A switch can be used to run multiple hm2_eth cards (currently up to 4) from one port
10:50 PM MrHindsight: this works fairly well if the switch has at least one GigE port connected to the host
10:50 PM MrHindsight: as the short 1GigeE host packet time allows for considerable overlap of the 100BaseT traffic
10:51 PM MrHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/30250-mesa-7i92-ethernet-connection
10:51 PM uw: yes I like the idea of simplifying wiring with ethernet. If ethercat was better long I would even love to use that.
10:51 PM enleth: MrHindsight: I'd still not trust just any random switch with this, and DEFINITELY not with a servo-based system
10:51 PM uw: but 7i92 and 7i76e sounds like it will work fine for me
10:51 PM enleth: steppers - meh, worst case it stops
10:51 PM MrHindsight: I hear you
10:51 PM enleth: but servo loop over a SOHO switch? not a chance in hell
10:52 PM enleth: I like when my mill's table stays on the mill
10:54 PM MrHindsight: uw: for servos take a peek at https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl/wiki
10:54 PM enleth: uw: oh, and IMO it definitely should not matter whether the NIC you're using is onboard or not, at least no on a modern motherboard - it's all PCIe anyway, doesn't matter if it travels over the PCB traces only, or through a connector
10:56 PM enleth: way back in the old times, there might have been IRQ issues, but this has long stopped to be a problem
10:57 PM enleth: PCIe interrupts are in-band and only emulate IRQs
10:58 PM MrHindsight: zzzzzz
10:58 PM uw: MrHindsight does the hardware exist yet? Project look cool
10:58 PM MrHindsight: yeah
10:58 PM MrHindsight: he's built some
10:58 PM MrHindsight: wiki needs some work to be more clear
10:58 PM uw: enleth: ok sounds good. I guess no usb to ethernet though (I have a laptop that did that internally)
10:59 PM MrHindsight: nope
10:59 PM MrHindsight: now back to zzzzzzzzzz
10:59 PM uw: ok thank you MrHindsight good night
10:59 PM MrHindsight: zzzz
10:59 PM uw: i should be heading off too
10:59 PM uw: good night enleth and Tom_L
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