#linuxcnc Logs

Apr 14 2018

12:40 AM fragalot: hi
12:46 AM pink_vampire: hi fragalot
12:48 AM gloops: well, either russia was asleep, or their missile defence didnt work - or they havent got the balls
12:49 AM pink_vampire: i'm cleaning the lathe electronic box!
12:49 AM fragalot: or figured it's not worth the expense
12:49 AM fragalot: pink_vampire: :o
12:49 AM pink_vampire: ?
12:49 AM MrHindsight: gloops: it's just hitting the news here so it might be happening :)
12:50 AM gloops: its happened MrHindsight, the jets are back already lol
12:50 AM MrHindsight: it only happens if it's on TV
12:51 AM fragalot: xD
12:53 AM MrHindsight: Britain and France joined, what no Germans?!
12:53 AM fragalot: nobody else from EU, afaik
12:54 AM gloops: germany isnt allowed to have a military
12:54 AM MrHindsight: some reports here are only 5 minutes old
12:54 AM fragalot: gloops: lmao
12:55 AM MrHindsight: the Italians wanted to help but their planes were low on coal
12:55 AM pink_vampire: https://imgur.com/a/D8rfb
12:56 AM MrHindsight: just kidding, I love the Italians
12:56 AM fragalot: maybe belgium should have been involved too
12:56 AM fragalot: because the last 2 world wars we tried to stay out of didn't pan out well
12:57 AM pink_vampire: any idea how to glean it faster?
12:57 AM MrHindsight: you just picked a bad location for a country
12:57 AM MrHindsight: like getting a house by the airport
12:57 AM roycroft: i disagree
12:57 AM fragalot: pink_vampire: we've had customers clean the inside of electrical cabinets with pressure washers
12:57 AM fragalot: and then try to file a warranty claim
12:57 AM roycroft: if belgium were not located where it is then belgians would not be able to brew lambic
12:58 AM MrHindsight: it's always something
12:58 AM fragalot: pink_vampire: is there still paint under the grime?
12:58 AM pink_vampire: i'm using a small brush and paper towel
12:58 AM pink_vampire: yes, look like new
12:59 AM fragalot: in that case, a good degreaser, and some elbow grease. :)
12:59 AM pink_vampire: https://imgur.com/a/D8rfb look at the last picture
12:59 AM * roycroft wonders what the point of tonight's little escapde was, besides all the dog wagging
01:00 AM gloops: i dunno, it probably looks like new underneath BECAUSE it has a coat of greasy grime, id leave it, all my stuff is like that
01:00 AM MrHindsight: we'll see
01:00 AM MrHindsight: roycroft: did they target a 7-11?
01:00 AM roycroft: if trump wants to stop assad from using chemical weapons he needs to take out assad
01:00 AM roycroft: nothing less will suffice
01:01 AM fragalot: pink_vampire: you just have to power through it then; any methods that would be faster are more likely to do damage
01:01 AM MrHindsight: roycroft: get Fox news to announce that and maybe he will
01:01 AM gloops: this was mainly gesture bombing, and also a little punishment for Russia killing british agents with gas, and maybe a little probing of Putins character, he hasnt responded
01:01 AM fragalot: yet.
01:02 AM gloops: he could have caused real concern if he'd brought down a british jet
01:02 AM fragalot: what does he gain from actively doing that?
01:03 AM roycroft: i'm sure trump admires assad
01:03 AM roycroft: trump likes his fellow despots
01:03 AM gloops: fragalot he demonstrates that he isnt all talk
01:03 AM gloops: russia has won the game in syria - was allowed to do so by obama
01:03 AM MrHindsight: so if Assad did attack with chemicals then we should probably invade Iran
01:04 AM MrHindsight: or some other country that had nothing to do with it
01:04 AM XXCoder: heys
01:04 AM roycroft: we tried that when we invaded iraq
01:05 AM roycroft: all that accomplished was destabilizing the entire region
01:05 AM roycroft: oh, and contributed significantly to tanking our economy
01:06 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/ZKJe2Ho.jpg look at the controls
01:06 AM pink_vampire: hi XXCoder
01:06 AM MrHindsight: roycroft: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html
01:07 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: man, that is gold.
01:07 AM XXCoder: so, what is next? canada?
01:07 AM roycroft: of course it isn't
01:07 AM roycroft: that's been the underlying premise of our medical system for decades
01:07 AM roycroft: treating symptoms is profitable
01:07 AM roycroft: curing illness is not
01:08 AM MrHindsight: is eating the wealthy sustainable?
01:08 AM XXCoder: roycroft: would vaccines be held in if it was discovered now and not quite a while ago?
01:08 AM roycroft: that's why health care for profit is immoral
01:08 AM MrHindsight: sure
01:08 AM MrHindsight: but when you have no conscience
01:09 AM XXCoder: parma bros is worse of all
01:09 AM MrHindsight: also despicable
01:09 AM roycroft: shkreli in the pokey :)
01:09 AM XXCoder: hes only one of many
01:09 AM roycroft: sadly yes
01:10 AM roycroft: but one out of many is better than none out of many
01:10 AM MrHindsight: roycroft: is Flanders Red from all the flanders regions?
01:10 AM XXCoder: we should have cage fight, many comes in and one comes out... to merely live out remaining part of life in jail.
01:10 AM MrHindsight: I think that have 2 or 3
01:10 AM roycroft: mrhindsight: no
01:10 AM roycroft: "lambic" is a eu protected appelation
01:11 AM roycroft: "flanders red" is not, afaik
01:11 AM MrHindsight: oh just an East and West
01:11 AM roycroft: flanders red is not spontaneously fermented (in modern times)
01:12 AM roycroft: lamic is
01:12 AM roycroft: so lambic really can't be produced elsewhere
01:12 AM roycroft: the terroire is critical to its production
01:12 AM XXCoder: like certain wines
01:12 AM roycroft: i've brewed several flanders reds, and they were delicious and quite authentic
01:13 AM MrHindsight: if one were to brew a lambic outside of lambicia what would it be called?
01:13 AM roycroft: beer
01:13 AM roycroft: :)
01:14 AM roycroft: usually when i see them they're called "lambic style"
01:14 AM MrHindsight: I'm off, had enough flanders red tonight
01:14 AM roycroft: and some of them are pretty decent
01:14 AM roycroft: but they're not the same
01:14 AM roycroft: i'm not big on "it's not the same"
01:15 AM roycroft: most things can be produced outside their native region and be very close to the original, if not identical
01:15 AM roycroft: lambic is a real challenge though
01:16 AM MrHindsight: we had a Gose with lactobacillus and corriander
01:16 AM MrHindsight: was slightly skunky
01:16 AM MrHindsight: and in a brown bottle
01:18 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/373581528405905408
01:18 AM MrHindsight: oops
01:19 AM MrHindsight: roycroft: https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/31678/95326/?ba=Trevor11
01:19 AM MrHindsight: http://www.offcolorbrewing.com/troublesome/
01:20 AM XXCoder: last I read trump was attacking syara
01:20 AM XXCoder: if thats happened what did he attack?
01:20 AM MrHindsight: XXCoder: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/middleeast/trump-strikes-syria-attack.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
01:21 AM roycroft: a chemical plant in damascus and two strikes at military bases near homs
01:21 AM XXCoder: looking
01:21 AM MrHindsight: ^^ maps
01:22 AM XXCoder: bleh
01:25 AM gloops: assad is in a bunker in russia
01:26 AM MrHindsight: I think climate change is a plot by the west to thaw Russia so we can invade
01:28 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: brilliant xD
01:32 AM XXCoder: just dont invade during winter, like germany and french
01:42 AM gloops: russia is broke
01:45 AM gloops: im realising whats missing from my command and control centre here, notepad and pencil, all good things come from pencil doodle planning
01:51 AM XXCoder: reminds me of that old show of random stories, one of em is last man in whecked world, he was sad, but got happy when he dont have to do anyhting but can read whatever books
01:51 AM XXCoder: then glasses fall off and break
01:52 AM Deejay: moin
02:13 AM MarcelineVQ: XXCoder: that's a Twilight Zone ep, I remember seeing that one as a kid hehe
02:14 AM XXCoder: indeed thanks, couldnt recall the title :P
02:14 AM MarcelineVQ: ep name is Time Enough at Last appearantly
02:14 AM XXCoder: interesting
02:14 AM MarcelineVQ: I think the one I recall most vividly is The Invaders though
02:15 AM MarcelineVQ: about a little ship of tiny invaders attacking a poor old lady, and at the end it turns out the invaders are human and they're on a planet of giants
02:15 AM XXCoder: I always wondered if writers took lsd or something
02:16 AM MarcelineVQ: well, that and the shatner episode with the gremlin on the wing hehe
02:16 AM XXCoder: the memorable one for me is ugly face woman revealed to be ... still ugly to people and apparently people (to us) is ugly but lady is beautful
02:17 AM MarcelineVQ: that does sound pretty familiar
02:19 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dar2HKImK-0
02:19 AM XXCoder: shater
02:19 AM MarcelineVQ: hehe
02:19 AM MarcelineVQ: there's, somethingonthewing, SOME.. THING
02:19 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4qXGByp8DY
02:20 AM XXCoder: funny how they are all... alike
02:20 AM MarcelineVQ: twilight zone is like, someone read The Country of the Blind and thought to themselves, "I can turn this into a series"
02:21 AM pink_vampire: cleaning DONE
02:21 AM XXCoder: and how, exactly, did they attempt to fix?
02:21 AM XXCoder: yay
02:21 AM XXCoder: all sparky clean, and I guess you hid the spark under nesscary grease or oil now?
02:22 AM pink_vampire: one sec i'm take few pics
02:23 AM MarcelineVQ: where do you guys source your electronics enclosures? I'm waiting for parts for a cnc wood lathe to arrive so I can stard assembly and the last missing piece is an enclosure to keep dust away from the electronics
02:25 AM MarcelineVQ: oh, actually, there's reasonable prices on mcmaster so I should start there. didn't expect them to be that low
02:25 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/JJ6BfvF.jpg
02:25 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/gwSdsKB.jpg
02:26 AM XXCoder: looks very neat!
02:26 AM XXCoder: odd. production machines usually have tons of small chip marks
02:27 AM pink_vampire: it is small benchtop
02:28 AM pink_vampire: yesterday i assamble the headstock and did a gears
02:28 AM gloops: MarcelineVQ - wood lathe with static tool or spindle?
02:29 AM pink_vampire: i had to use a pick to clean them
02:29 AM gloops: i used a stainless steel bathroom cabinet for my electrics, it isnt quite deep enough for VFD though
02:29 AM MarcelineVQ: not sure what you're asking there. will have x and z travel for tool, fixed speed spindle
02:30 AM gloops: ah so spindle - i meant like a set tool - a chisel
02:30 AM gloops: would be better with Y as well for carving flats
02:31 AM MarcelineVQ: oh, set yeah, insert, 25 degree diamond iirc
02:31 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/4vt9Yky.jpg
02:31 AM MarcelineVQ: might be 35, can't recall the stats
02:31 AM gloops: right im with you now
02:31 AM pink_vampire: knobs^
02:31 AM gloops: so a wood lathe, not a 3 axis with rotary
02:31 AM MarcelineVQ: it's a restrofit for an existing lathe, I dont' own it or I'd hook into the spinde's vfd for more control, so it's just an excessory
02:32 AM MarcelineVQ: correct, a plain old standard hand-tool-type wood lathe
02:35 AM gloops: ive got a wood lathe i was going to convert, to do the same as you describe, then i thought while im going to the trouble, may as well control the spindle angle because you are going to want to do barleytwists and so on, then i thought ditch the fixed tool and put a spindle on - faster and cleaner cutting
02:35 AM MarcelineVQ: basically just putting motors on a duplicator, so I'm cheating a little
02:35 AM gloops: and if youre doing that you may as well throw in a 3rd linear axis to decorate the flats
02:36 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/hEf5wgD.jpg
02:37 AM MarcelineVQ: Planning to use this experience, and sales of resulting products, to make something nicer. It's a good chance to get comfortable with the kinks of a real machine while not having to work from the ground up
02:38 AM gloops: well thats an approach i share, im hoping my router will fund the completion of the lathe heh
02:38 AM MarcelineVQ: hehe
02:39 AM MarcelineVQ: yeah I've got a spindle as you're describing that wants to get used, and will be eventually, though probably as a mill/router first. so we're on opposite angles here it looks like
02:39 AM gloops: one thing with a lathe - its quiet
02:40 AM MarcelineVQ: less quiet when you're turning square stock into dowels, but I agree
02:40 AM gloops: well with a chisel its quiet, stick a router on it its hell
02:44 AM miss0r: goodmorning
02:46 AM miss0r: fragalot: you around?
02:58 AM gloops: hmm, think i just found the source of my latency issue - cpu heatsink is in 10mm of topsoil lol
03:08 AM XXCoder: pink_vampire: welding money?
03:08 AM pink_vampire: lol yeah
03:21 AM XXCoder: interesting. why? or just cheap way to fill gap?
03:22 AM gloops: might be high nickel, dont know if nickel is used in coins these days though
03:22 AM pink_vampire: i have no idea, i just saw in on imgur
03:23 AM gloops: probably some coated chinese aluminium dross like everything else
03:26 AM gloops: right, have cleaned out cnc PC, its a testament to the durability of the dell optiplex 745 - that it still runs with a cup full of damp wood shavings and grinding dust inside
03:32 AM gloops: whoa! Putin has launched!!!
03:34 AM gloops: 3minutes - putin has launched Nudol rocket carrying anti-missile satellite
03:36 AM fragalot: miss0r: hey
03:36 AM gloops: no sorry, anti-satellite missile, is he gonna take down an allied sat lol
03:40 AM gloops: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6050572/vladimir-putin-launches-anti-satellite-missile-capable-of-downing-us-communications-and-missile-technology/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SprnklrSUNOrganic&UTMX=Editorial:TheSun:TwImageandlink:Statement:News
03:41 AM gloops: tomahawk missiles dont work without gps..clever
03:44 AM miss0r: fragalot: any particular reason for the rounded conors on the table? is it OKAY with a chamfered conor?
03:46 AM fragalot: miss0r: esthetics, chamfer is fine
03:47 AM miss0r: I'm doing it this way for the same reason. Should my allignment be off by 0.005mm (which is exactly what is is) you could get a visible overlap from the flat to the round
03:47 AM XXCoder: gloops: lol reminds me of that story
03:47 AM miss0r: With a 45 degree chamfer, you dont :)
03:47 AM miss0r: well, there the overlap is visible, by choice
03:47 AM gloops: XXCoder we can still hand code the trajectory
03:47 AM fragalot: https://imgur.com/a/9kUyX <= progress. tool shown is the hole locator, EG block is a failure.
03:47 AM XXCoder: gloops: no was about dirty pc sorry
03:48 AM fragalot: I have to say though that it was difficult to get the hole punch through to make the holes, but chiselling the thread profile went really easily
03:48 AM fragalot: miss0r: good point :D
03:48 AM miss0r: hehe nice :D
03:48 AM miss0r: you need to teach me your chisel moves one day, that is impressive ;)
03:49 AM gloops: XXCoder oh yeah heh, just going to try it now, unfortunately PC was in garage some of the time i was building machine with side cover off, got a little dust in it
03:49 AM XXCoder: guy used water hose outside to clean it
03:50 AM fragalot: miss0r: it all starts with a good hammer. I recommend the Martinez M1.
03:50 AM miss0r: fak.. I've misplaced the octenol cartridges for my mosquito magnet...!
03:50 AM XXCoder: it was fine. it wasnt powered on, and dry before turn on again
03:50 AM miss0r: lol
03:50 AM XXCoder: now, other one was idiot, guy went to gas station air pressure to clean pc
03:50 AM XXCoder: breaking caps off and spitting rust flaked water into circuits
03:51 AM miss0r: damnit! those are expensive, and I have to go to sweden to get them!
03:51 AM fragalot: xD
03:52 AM miss0r: and mosquito season is about to start. this thing works best if it is up and running while they wake up
03:52 AM fragalot: i've found it's much better to just have netting
03:53 AM miss0r: I have a pretty big garden, where they LOVE to be.. and they are eating my son alive
03:53 AM XXCoder: its hard to do bu try remove standing water
03:54 AM XXCoder: or maybe try rainse frogs and other predators of that damned bug
03:54 AM miss0r: I don't have any in my garden. but on the other side of the road theres a huge swamp/woodland area
03:55 AM fragalot: gloops: so did russia.. hit anything?
03:56 AM XXCoder: hope not, because migth start off chain reaction that would cut us off space.
03:56 AM XXCoder: china almost did
03:57 AM miss0r: found'em :D
03:57 AM XXCoder: miss0r: hmm tiki torches but then people might think that youre an wimpy age nazi
03:58 AM fragalot: or a "the boring company flamethrower" for your son to defend himself
03:58 AM miss0r: All descent ideas :D
03:58 AM fragalot: decent, descent = going down stairs :P
03:58 AM XXCoder: you'll be fine, just don't do nai saluate
03:58 AM miss0r: but I've been using this mosquito magnet for 2 seasons, starting on the 3rd now. It is quite excellent I must say
03:59 AM fragalot: bbl, need to hang a new cabinet
03:59 AM fragalot: and go to the tip.. busy day >.>
03:59 AM XXCoder: bleh we need to build custom cabinets but we need money to finish bedroom and restroom,
03:59 AM XXCoder: so wont happen for a bit
04:10 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUlswtjXb3A lol
04:10 AM XXCoder: cnc sand
04:35 AM IchGucksLive: hi
04:36 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, ?
04:38 AM miss0r: This looks like someone in heres next project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a44KysPykg
04:38 AM miss0r: nice work
04:39 AM pink_vampire: the threading dial is stack
04:40 AM pink_vampire: miss0r: now with the high speed spindle.. why not :)
04:40 AM miss0r: :D
04:40 AM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire, did the runourt fit your thoughts
04:41 AM miss0r: pink_vampire: Didn't you already make one of these at some point?
04:41 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
04:43 AM pink_vampire: I was wanted to but it was too much work and 3d machined parts.. and so far I'm happy with the probe that i did first
04:45 AM gloops: Russia claims its ally Syria shot down 71 of the 103 missiles launched by the US, Britain and France
04:46 AM gloops: thats not even stepper motor accuracy
04:46 AM miss0r: so.. are we looking at start of ww3 here ?
04:47 AM jthornton: raining again yuck
04:47 AM gloops: miss0r i doubt it, i dont think the players want total war - but it only takes something to go wrong with this posturing and war will kick off
04:49 AM gloops: theres nothing near me worth bombing anyway so i should be ok for now
04:55 AM gloops: all it would take is some isolated bedou with an elastic band ak-47 to shoot down an f-22 (which can happen) pilots captured, tortured etc, - war
04:55 AM SpeedEvil: Harder to shoot down pilots of tomahawks.
04:55 AM gloops: theyve done that as well
04:56 AM gloops: in ww2 spitfire pilots downed V1 bombers by nudging them mid air
04:56 AM gloops: V1 bombs
04:56 AM gloops: anyway back to router tests
04:57 AM SpeedEvil: They did not however capture any V1 pilots.
04:58 AM XXCoder: oh yeah
04:58 AM XXCoder: did archivist evcer come back?
04:58 AM SpeedEvil: Not as of yet :(
05:00 AM XXCoder: hope guys ok
05:09 AM pink_vampire: how to i trim the headstock?
05:11 AM XXCoder: lathe>?
05:12 AM pink_vampire: yes
05:12 AM XXCoder: cool :)
05:12 AM jthornton: morning
05:12 AM XXCoder: dont know much about trimming any machine lol
05:12 AM XXCoder: hey jthornton
05:12 AM XXCoder: know what?
05:12 AM Deejay: hey
05:12 AM XXCoder: stuff is back, and I did some of networking, and all wires I conencted work so far. so relived!
05:13 AM pink_vampire: how i make it square with the world?
05:14 AM jthornton: cool, funny thing I've had a LAN cable tester for years and only recently "discovered" that one part comes out so you can place it on the far end of the cable lol
05:14 AM XXCoder: lol
05:14 AM XXCoder: my cable tester is ancient
05:15 AM XXCoder: aqnd lost somewhere. so we had to buy another one. thankfully testers have become much cheaper since then!
05:15 AM pink_vampire: LOL jthornton
05:15 AM jthornton: yea I accidentally pulled it out lol
05:19 AM XXCoder: new rj45 and crimper is bit easier to use than old type
05:19 AM XXCoder: not bad
05:36 AM jthornton: and the light comes on and the door opens as if by magic
05:37 AM fragalot: pizza \o/
05:37 AM XXCoder: oh yeah jthornton got link to smart electrics? im thinking about trying something
05:37 AM XXCoder: like wireless control lights or something
05:38 AM jthornton: you can do that with a garage door opener
05:39 AM XXCoder: yeah wanna try more complex solutions lol
05:39 AM jthornton: with a RPi or Arduino?
05:40 AM XXCoder: not sure isnt there software suite that can take inputs and outputs whatever I want?
05:40 AM XXCoder: forgot what name it is
05:40 AM XXCoder: wireless inputs like buttons so on
05:41 AM jthornton: both the RPi and the Ardunio have I/O, IMHO the RPi is a much better platform, it runs linux
05:42 AM jthornton: the coop python code https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DhkkktKw3d/
05:45 AM XXCoder: hmm yeah
05:46 AM XXCoder: heard of this https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-Orange-Pi-PC-2-H5-64bit-Support-the-Lubuntu-linux-and-android-mini-PC-Beyond/1553371_32761481418.html
05:48 AM gloops: just to prove i have built a router lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJ46jo_l1g&feature=youtu.be
05:48 AM jthornton: yea I think Phil has one of those orange pi's
05:49 AM XXCoder: ommmmg square and circle
05:49 AM XXCoder: looks like a success also
05:49 AM jthornton: what spindle did you use?
05:50 AM enleth: pink_vampire: I am now
05:51 AM gloops: spindle for my router? 800w chinese hy thing
05:51 AM jthornton: yea
05:51 AM jthornton: er something collet?
05:51 AM XXCoder: gloops: circle is execellent test for machine really
05:51 AM jthornton: It is best to buy a good quality DC 5V3A charger . Because Orange Pi don't support Micro USB Power supply.
05:51 AM gloops: er11 collet, you can get them with bigger collets - i probably wont use larger cutters
05:52 AM jthornton: set 1 Development board + USB power cord lol
05:52 AM XXCoder: since it covers full sin/cos funcions and if your machine have issues you would see artifcts at "compass points".
05:52 AM jthornton: I have er11-32 for my VMC
05:53 AM XXCoder: FINALLY FOUYND IT! https://www.banggood.com/Upgrade-5V-ESP8266-WiFi-Relay-IoT-Smart-Home-Phone-APP-Remote-Control-Switch-p-1263579.html or some stuff like that
05:53 AM XXCoder: more general, https://www.banggood.com/search/smart-relay.html
05:53 AM gloops: circles and squares are coming out perfect, cant see from that vid, but yeah mechanically - good enough anyway, i dont know how many thou this or that is i havent checked yet and dont really care lol
05:54 AM XXCoder: you heard of squared circle?
05:54 AM SpeedEvil: Squircle.
05:54 AM XXCoder: its excellent test for all axes
05:54 AM SpeedEvil: Which is not a pokemon.
05:55 AM XXCoder: gloops: http://blog.bantamtools.com/circle-square-diamond
05:57 AM gloops: will have a look XXCoder thanks
05:57 AM XXCoder: i havent tried that myself, havent had a fully setup machine lol
06:00 AM gloops: well, i wont be spending too much time with micrometers and dtis - unless there is some visible issue with the cutting, there is less than .1mm error i know that, thats probably as near as youll ever need for wood
06:00 AM jthornton: how do you find out the last time someone was on here?
06:01 AM XXCoder: searching logs
06:01 AM XXCoder: or bots
06:01 AM jthornton: archivist has some command for his bot
06:01 AM jthornton: beer
06:01 AM jthornton: hmm his bot seems to be down
06:02 AM XXCoder: yeah only herringon one left
06:02 AM XXCoder: whatever that is
06:02 AM XXCoder: archivist_herron: wake up
06:02 AM XXCoder: *herron :P
06:05 AM gloops: he was having issues with his old setup i remember
06:05 AM jthornton: https://timf.anansi-web.com/wp/circle-diamond-square/
06:05 AM gloops: links werent showing
06:05 AM gloops: wasnt he on some ancient green screen computer?
06:06 AM XXCoder: jthornton: even better!
06:07 AM jthornton: ah that relay link is for a ESP8266 relay, I have some ESP8266
06:07 AM XXCoder: gloops honestly its not a complex object. just diffult for machine to do, circle (full sin/cos) dia (even X and Y mocements)
06:07 AM jthornton: 's
06:08 AM jthornton: XXCoder: some ESP8266 code https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HGvSWCBNv9/
06:08 AM gloops: see if i can try a squ/circ/diamond sometime today or over the weekend and get some actual measurements from it
06:09 AM gloops: still got some config matters to sort and a whole lot of tidying up
06:09 AM XXCoder: jt it lights up when find networks eh
06:12 AM jthornton: then what?
06:12 AM XXCoder: seems it just logs info on wifi found
06:13 AM XXCoder: using serial
06:17 AM jthornton: probably running arduino, all of mine run that
06:23 AM Tom_L: jthornton, you gettin wet over there?
06:24 AM jthornton: aye
06:24 AM Tom_L: searchin for higher ground yet?
06:25 AM jthornton: no, if it floods my house everyone south of me is under water deep
06:36 AM pink_vampire: the threading dial is cleaned in installed.
06:37 AM pink_vampire: but I'm not sure if it supposed to be engaged to the lead screw all the time
06:38 AM andypugh: pink_vampire: Does the leadscrew rotate all the time?
06:38 AM pink_vampire: no
06:38 AM andypugh: Normally they are arranged to swing out to save wear, and are engaged when needed.
06:39 AM andypugh: Some lathes use a leadscrew with a key for powering the feeds, some have a separate power shaft. Some only have he leadscrew and use that for power feed too.
06:40 AM andypugh: But you might as well leave it disengaged when not threading.
06:40 AM pink_vampire: there is a bolt at the and that hold the threading dial
06:41 AM pink_vampire: but there is no mechanism that engaged /disengaged it
06:41 AM jthornton: hmm mine is always engaged but the threading shaft only turns when threading
06:42 AM enleth: FWIW, my lathe has both a threading leadscrew and a power feed shaft, but they always turn at the same time, no way to disengage just the leadscrew
06:42 AM enleth: and the TDI is designed to be engaged at all times
06:43 AM enleth: (well, "my" lathe, a friend's, but it's in a shared shop)
06:43 AM enleth: that particular one doesn't actually have a TDI installed for some reason but the mounting holes are there and the drawings clearly don't show any way to disengage it
06:43 AM andypugh: OK, I should have said “sometimes they are arranged to swing out"
06:43 AM pink_vampire: here there is also a power feed on the gears (is was bitch to clean it and fix it)
06:44 AM andypugh: Thinking about it, the one on the Rivett does. But the ones on the Colchester and Smart and Brown I sometimes use are permanently engaged.
06:45 AM andypugh: So, leave it engaged. It won’t wear out and it will stop it seizing up. :-)
06:46 AM enleth: interestingly, the leadscrew and power feed shaft always turn in opposite directions. one would assume that this is intended to be able to feed Z in the opposite direction while threading to do multiple passes quickly
06:46 AM enleth: but the screw and shaft turn at the same speed and threading needs to be rather slow
06:46 AM enleth: so the return feed is necessarily slow as well
06:46 AM pink_vampire: and enleth I defiantly own you! i got a replacement switches and wire them according to your diagram and it work like a charm!
06:47 AM andypugh: enleth: I think that is just a convenience in the gearing.
06:47 AM enleth: andypugh: most likely it is
06:47 AM enleth: pink_vampire: glad to hear it works
06:47 AM andypugh: On the Rivett and my big Colchester you can slide the gear that links them out of engagement.
06:48 AM andypugh: The Rivett has a little sliding nickel-plated door over the gears.
06:48 AM pink_vampire: but it is not permanent, I need to trim the headstock and only then I will solder it
06:51 AM enleth: andypugh: Celtic does have a snap pin on the leadscrew and a torque-limited automatic clutch on the feed shaft, but the former, while accessible without opening the gearbox (which is sealed and filled with oil), is obviously slow to make/break, and the latter does not have a manual disengage lever
06:52 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/5qfGHzS.jpg the threading dial
06:52 AM andypugh: pink_vampire: Is it a metric or imperial lathe?
06:53 AM pink_vampire: metric hardware, but the diails
06:53 AM andypugh: Metric leadscrew?
06:53 AM pink_vampire: dials are imperial
06:53 AM andypugh: Probably an imperial leadscrew then.
06:53 AM enleth: pink_vampire: wait, doesn't this thing actually pivot on that bolt?
06:54 AM andypugh: The reason I ask is that with a metric leadscrew you need to change the gear on the threading dial for some pitches.
06:54 AM pink_vampire: it can do imperial and metric threads
06:54 AM enleth: pink_vampire: looks like it even has a pull handle on the bottom to disengage it from the screw
06:54 AM andypugh: I think that arrangement is so that, with a metric leadscrew, you can change to gears of different sizes.
06:54 AM enleth: or is it just a gear cover?
06:55 AM andypugh: pink_vampire: If you are cutting metric threads with an imperial laeadscrew or imperial threads with a metric leadscrew then you can’t use the threading dial at all.
06:55 AM pink_vampire: yes it is pivot on the bolt
06:56 AM andypugh: When cross-standard threading you have to leave the half-nuts engaged and reverse the machine to return to the start of the thread.
06:57 AM enleth: andypugh: actually I'm pretty sure a dial could be made that has some more complex gearing to deal with that
06:57 AM pink_vampire: is there a way the know if it work or not?
06:58 AM andypugh: enleth: http://www.lathes.co.uk/ainjest/
06:58 AM pink_vampire: originally it was without the dial, and i fund it in a box with some junk
06:59 AM Loetmichel: you can also ignore the dial, disengage the nut, move the tool bck ti te start, sop the spindle and tunr it by hand while simultaneously pressing on the engage lever until it clicks in
06:59 AM andypugh: How many teeth per inch on the leadscrew, and how many teeth on the gear?
06:59 AM Loetmichel: works just the same as the dial
06:59 AM Loetmichel: back to the
07:00 AM Loetmichel: <- has (wall)paint on my fingers, slippery thing that..
07:01 AM enleth: andypugh: interesting device, shame there aren't any drawings
07:02 AM pink_vampire: how do i calibrate the headstock?
07:03 AM enleth: BTW, as for turning a lathe spindle by hand, the Celtic does have one usability issue - the operator is supposed to change gears in the main gearbox and the reduction gear "with motor power cut, while it's stopping", and it does indeed often refuse to engage the next gear while stopped
07:03 AM andypugh: pink_vampire: For alignment? Cut test bars.
07:03 AM enleth: this is a huge PITA and basically requires wrestling the chuck to turn while bumping the gear lever with the knee
07:04 AM enleth: I'll be fitting a VFD to this lathe and I had one interesting idea to fix that
07:04 AM pink_vampire: andypugh: what do you mean?
07:05 AM enleth: modern VFDs have configuration presets that can be switched at will, so I though I could configure a preset with a 2% or so speed limit and a VERY low current/torque limit, then configure a button that activates this mode and engages forward drive while it's held
07:05 AM enleth: so you just hold the button and change gears while the lathe turns on its own power to assist in actually engaging the gear - but very slowly and safely
07:06 AM pink_vampire: i can't assemble the motor because it's block the access to the headstock screws
07:06 AM andypugh: That’s awkward.
07:07 AM pink_vampire: i know
07:07 AM andypugh: If you have something that you know is straight and parallel, and if you know that your chuck is in really good condition, then you could use a dial indicator on the saddle and travel up and down until it reads the same everywhere.
07:08 AM enleth: pink_vampire: does the headstock actually sit on the same sliding surfaces of the bed as the saddle?
07:08 AM pink_vampire: i'm trying now
07:08 AM pink_vampire: enleth: yes
07:09 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/DyV2jls.jpg
07:09 AM enleth: did you unbolt it completely? were there any shims in there?
07:09 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/a9WGjdn.jpg
07:09 AM enleth: ah, it's a flat bed
07:09 AM pink_vampire: this is the "shim"
07:10 AM pink_vampire: but it cam move to the sides
07:10 AM enleth: just bolt holes and a flat surface, no alignment pins
07:10 AM enleth: well shit
07:10 AM enleth: you're in for some "good" time
07:11 AM enleth: I've got no idea whatsoever how to align that quickly
07:11 AM sync: without a testbar you will need to remove the motor a few times
07:13 AM andypugh: pink_vampire: https://youtu.be/aIdCwHiiTo4?t=26s might help
07:14 AM andypugh: That should work turning the spindle by hand, and actually doesn’t need a perfectly straight bar or a perfectly good chuck.
07:14 AM sync: yeah, it just needs to be round
07:19 AM enleth: pink_vampire: actually, does the motor block access to all bolts or just some of them?
07:19 AM pink_vampire: the 3 bolts on the back
07:20 AM enleth: to be honest, I'd try aligning it with only the 3 in the front
07:21 AM enleth: should be plenty to snug it down, then remove the motor and do the other 3
07:21 AM pink_vampire: it's like 6 nuts, and 4 set screws
07:30 AM gloops: old motor shaft or something laid around? preferably with centre drilling
07:31 AM pink_vampire: this is what i did
07:31 AM miss0r: isn't it just a joy doing a H7 fit, put a 10mm carbide shank in there and just see it slip down in there ever so slowly ? :D
07:32 AM andypugh: miss0r: Only when you get what you wanted, and not something else.
07:33 AM miss0r: yeah. This is what I was going for
07:33 AM andypugh: I want a little tiny plunger-type dial indicator. But I don’t want to pay a lot for it (as I will immediately dismantle it)
07:33 AM pink_vampire: I took the shaft from an edge finder, hold it in 1/2" collet, and verify it is 0 runout, then I run an indicator on the slider, and it is 0.00025" over 35mm of travel
07:34 AM andypugh: eBay is really bad at showing how big things are.
07:34 AM andypugh: 35mm really isn’t long enough to be sure.
07:34 AM gloops: ideally take measurement at both extremes
07:35 AM andypugh: But as that video says, the trick is to compare the absolute value of the average reading both near the chuck and at the end of the bar.
07:35 AM andypugh: The far end will read small if too far away, and large if too close, to the indicator.
07:36 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/cfg4Ivh.jpg
07:36 AM andypugh: I do have a lovely litte Federal indicator that is exactly like I want. And also too nice to dismantle for parts :-)
07:37 AM pink_vampire: I don't have long bars that are nice and ground
07:37 AM andypugh: You might have to buy one.
07:38 AM andypugh: Get some “drill rod”. It will be useful later for making things out of.
07:38 AM pink_vampire: i have 3/8" drill rod
07:38 AM andypugh: I was thinking 3/4 :-)
07:39 AM andypugh: Anyway, need to pop put.
07:40 AM pink_vampire: thanks a lot for your help!
08:07 AM pink_vampire: it is 0.00025" over 4" of travel
08:07 AM pink_vampire: how good is that?
08:29 AM gloops: id say thats as good as youll get
08:30 AM gloops: .01mm over 8 inch
08:31 AM gloops: hmm, maybe want a bit better than that
08:36 AM pink_vampire: this is the best i can bring it
08:39 AM andypugh: For anything longer you would probably use the tailstock anyway.
08:39 AM pink_vampire: i know
08:40 AM pink_vampire: is there a trick for adjusting the tailstock?
08:44 AM andypugh: Mount the dial indicator in the chuck and indicate round the tailstock taper.
08:45 AM pink_vampire: the chuck is in parts right now...
08:46 AM pink_vampire: i need to order the grease for it
08:46 AM pink_vampire: https://www.amazon.com/CHUCK-EEZ-Chuck-Lubricant-oz-Cartridge/dp/B075FD2GYP/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523360830&sr=8-1&keywords=chuck+eez
08:51 AM andypugh: You probably don’t need power-chuck grease for your lathe chuck.
08:52 AM gloops: 3 jaw chuck? youll probably also want to check that out later, jaws likely need grinding, chuck>backplate imbalance etc
08:53 AM andypugh: You could unscrew your indicator arm from the magnetic base, then hold it in the collet chick.
08:54 AM andypugh: collet chuck, that is.
08:54 AM andypugh: If it’s a chick she’s called Colette.
08:58 AM pink_vampire: is the a problem to use a "power chuck" grease on a normal chuck?
09:03 AM gloops: hmm, cam software likes xy 0 at far left, i built the router for xy 0 at front right, which becomes far left if i look it from the other side, which i cant because of wall
09:03 AM gloops: i need a large mirror on that wall lol
09:03 AM pink_vampire: O_o what cam are you using
09:04 AM gloops: vectric, its ok im flipping stuff around, it does work with 0 anywhere but id rather have something set up that is easy on the brain
09:05 AM pink_vampire: you mean Vcarve ?
09:05 AM gloops: aspire
09:07 AM pink_vampire: MeshCAM is super easy
09:07 AM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-82qFQGETo
09:08 AM gloops: that looks ok actually
09:09 AM gloops: ive not got round to trying blenders cam plugin yet, which i assume works well with meshes
09:09 AM gloops: anyway afk
09:13 AM pink_vampire: for simple stuff and 3d wood signs and stuff like that I think meshcam is the easiest, and for more complex stuff F360 or vcarve
09:21 AM pink_vampire: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Utilitech-Quick-Wire-Connectors/999953966
09:21 AM pink_vampire: WHY THIS IS SOO EXPENSIVE??
09:46 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:47 AM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire, did you try estlvam
09:47 AM IchGucksLive: for signes real cool
09:47 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, ?
09:48 AM BeachBumPete: hey ich
09:49 AM IchGucksLive: hi how is the weathere at springbrek fields
09:49 AM BeachBumPete: huh?
09:49 AM IchGucksLive: FL
09:49 AM BeachBumPete: weather here is beautiful
09:49 AM BeachBumPete: sunny and about 78 I think?
09:49 AM BeachBumPete: thats with an F
09:49 AM BeachBumPete: ;)
09:50 AM IchGucksLive: we ate at 20C
09:50 AM IchGucksLive: good to make a MTB tour
09:50 AM BeachBumPete: oh yeah
09:50 AM IchGucksLive: lots of motorcycles in the forest
09:50 AM BeachBumPete: are you in the mountains?
09:50 AM IchGucksLive: Servus brunu
09:51 AM BeachBumPete: what city do you live in?
09:51 AM Bruno: hallo, zusammen
09:51 AM IchGucksLive: Bruno, ich bin in zweibrücken
09:51 AM Bruno: wollte mal testen wie das hier funktioniert
09:52 AM IchGucksLive: BeachBumPete, im on the C5 https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#search?query=clausen&map=3!34.6!-7.9
09:52 AM IchGucksLive: Bruno, wenn du fragen hast einfach raus damit
09:53 AM Bruno: also hier kann ich hilfe bekommen wenn ich mit meiner Maschine nicht weiter komme
09:53 AM IchGucksLive: Bruno, wens geht in english damit alle mitreden könen
09:53 AM IchGucksLive: yes you can
09:53 AM BeachBumPete: hard to tell exactly where that is from that link? zwierbrucken?
09:53 AM fragalot: Hi
09:53 AM Bruno: ich komme übrigens aus dem Münsterland (Borken) und mein englisch ist ausgeprochen schlecht
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: Bruno, ich bin der TYP hier https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ/videos
09:54 AM fragalot: hey
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: hi fragel
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
09:54 AM BeachBumPete: hey frag
09:54 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: tried with 13% just now, pours a heck of a lot easier, even though I feel like I could get away with less, i'm not sure I want to give up on convenience :P
09:55 AM Bruno: ich habe den chat hier über die tollen Videos von Magig CNC gefunden
09:55 AM IchGucksLive: <- SMILES
09:55 AM Bruno: ach da bist du ja schon :-)
09:55 AM IchGucksLive: @all i need to make a video about the chat
09:56 AM IchGucksLive: Bruno, ist bei dir ein fenster aufgegangen mit meinem nicknamen
09:57 AM Bruno: öhhh, nein
09:57 AM IchGucksLive: Bruno, welche n chatclienten nutzt du
09:57 AM Bruno: chatzilla, nach deinen vorgaben :-)
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: da sollte aber unten ein reiter mit meinem nik da sein
09:58 AM Bruno: ach hier unten, ja da ist ein fenster aufgegangen
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: Bruno, drück mal doppelt auf meine nicknamen
10:08 AM IchGucksLive: isent gloops around
10:08 AM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire, anyway
10:08 AM gloops: im here for a minute Ichs
10:09 AM IchGucksLive: gloops, i testet the mill 4A with steel
10:09 AM IchGucksLive: im realy deep impressed
10:09 AM IchGucksLive: i did make the fedder pin into the motor shaft
10:09 AM IchGucksLive: 2,5mm cutter at 45mm/min
10:10 AM IchGucksLive: real precice
10:10 AM IchGucksLive: i took it the hard way on 5 Points
10:10 AM gloops: is this a mill you built Ichs?
10:10 AM IchGucksLive: yes
10:10 AM gloops: excellent
10:11 AM IchGucksLive: the newer ones they gave me one to test
10:11 AM IchGucksLive: ok it went down in 0,2mm steps
10:11 AM IchGucksLive: but hard motor shaft its exelent
10:12 AM gloops: Ichs you need to show fragalot how to build a mill
10:14 AM IchGucksLive: fragalot, got a real good setup
10:15 AM fragalot: IchGucksLive: https://imgur.com/a/Ypg25 -> https://imgur.com/a/9kUyX
10:17 AM gloops: been doing some basic testing this morning, after about 4 hours had a driver shut down, i think ive still got a wiring snag somewhere, bit of noise or something, or just crap drivers
10:17 AM gloops: early tests of router https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJ46jo_l1g&feature=youtu.be
10:17 AM fragalot: those are the parts that need to go into the bottom mold, but 'im wondering if I should also give the plates a lot of profile grooves to help grip the epoxy more
10:19 AM IchGucksLive: fragalot, the Z Design
10:20 AM IchGucksLive: will fit your cool mashine plates
10:21 AM fragalot: IchGucksLive: it's done according to your design: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzOi3hLIA_dSNFRadUFRSHZyUWdoTFZlX1FTRkRpWlZuYWdj/view
10:22 AM IchGucksLive: yes we got it
10:22 AM fragalot: i'm far from the point where I need tos tart worrying about Z though :P
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: we will mill VA with that setup
10:23 AM fragalot: VA?
10:23 AM cbjamo1 is now known as cbjamo
10:23 AM BeachBumPete: is that an eg machine?
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: fragalot, stailess
10:23 AM fragalot: BeachBumPete: yes
10:23 AM fragalot: IchGucksLive: :)
10:24 AM BeachBumPete: nice
10:35 AM pink_vampire: IchGucksLive: hi
10:35 AM gloops: well, finally some sun, and warmth, 8 rows of spuds to go in before teatime
10:36 AM pink_vampire: i was busy
10:50 AM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire, estlcam can do all the good stuff on engraving
10:50 AM IchGucksLive: @all does someone know the pinout of this board https://de.aliexpress.com/item/DIY-CNC-Kit-3-Axis-3G-Breakout-Board-With-Display-Keypad-TB6600HG-Drivers-5A/32611814281.html
10:52 AM pink_vampire: IchGucksLive: I'm using hsm works
10:52 AM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire, http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/hs_2.jpg
10:52 AM pink_vampire: do you know a good cam for a lathe / swiss
10:53 AM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire, its made in germany
10:53 AM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire, the hasm has a lathe module
10:53 AM pink_vampire: look very professional
10:56 AM IchGucksLive: im not a lathe man at all
10:56 AM pink_vampire: i'm rebuilding a lathe
10:56 AM IchGucksLive: never worked on one in 40years of mashiing
10:56 AM IchGucksLive: ok i did some parts but more thenl ess
10:56 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/cfg4Ivh.jpg
10:57 AM IchGucksLive: i know
10:57 AM IchGucksLive: i saw that early
10:57 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/ZKJe2Ho.jpg
10:57 AM IchGucksLive: with the motor problem
10:57 AM pink_vampire: it was soo oily
10:57 AM IchGucksLive: why woudent you go for a modern 2KW 2480 3Phase with standard VFD
10:58 AM IchGucksLive: 2480 U/min
10:58 AM IchGucksLive: it has the power at 50-2480 U
10:58 AM pink_vampire: I want to preserve the original motor
10:58 AM IchGucksLive: ok
10:58 AM pink_vampire: to get it like it was new
10:59 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off 2 garden plant savety as it gets dark and cold outside
10:59 AM pink_vampire: ok
11:00 AM Brigi: Howdy all. I want a needle file set, should I get a good brand or buy cheap ones and treat them as a consumable?
11:01 AM pink_vampire: i have one from lowes
11:02 AM pink_vampire: the brand is "GENERAL"
11:02 AM Brigi: That's a vote for or against cheap?
11:02 AM gloops: well theres cheap and theres cheap
11:02 AM Brigi: I'm talking Harbor Freight CHEAP.
11:03 AM Brigi: Since that's likely the same thing from the big box stores.
11:04 AM pink_vampire: https://www.amazon.com/General-Tools-707475-Pattern-12-Piece/dp/B000OCRK16
11:04 AM gregcnc_: There is a difference between name brand and junk, but it depends one what you're doing if it matters enough
11:04 AM gloops: i got some from the poundshop, i think the serrations were drawn on
11:04 AM pink_vampire: I have the 6 pieces set
11:05 AM pink_vampire: I love the ball at the end of the handle
11:05 AM Brigi: gloops, Hah!
11:05 AM pink_vampire: it make it very comfortable to work on round / curvy parts
11:05 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, What kind of jaws are on the handle?
11:06 AM pink_vampire: i have no idea
11:06 AM pink_vampire: i can take it a part an take a picture if you want
11:06 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, You use it though, don't you?
11:06 AM Brigi: gregcnc_, Where would I need branded vs junk?
11:06 AM pink_vampire: yes
11:06 AM gregcnc_: tool steel
11:07 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, You just don't remember how the file is secured?
11:07 AM Brigi: gregcnc_, And if I was filing tool steel, what brand would you suggest?
11:07 AM pink_vampire: it similar to a pin vise
11:07 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, So a collet type system?
11:08 AM pink_vampire: it is fixed
11:08 AM gloops: http://uk.farnell.com/sandvik/2-470-14-2-0/needle-file-set-6pc/dp/7024885
11:09 AM pink_vampire: like a metal tube split to 4
11:09 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, That you thread a collet over?
11:09 AM pink_vampire: yes
11:09 AM Brigi: gloops, So was that a cheap set?
11:09 AM Brigi: gloops, Oh, it's swiss.
11:09 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Six-Piece-Sandvik-Needle-File-Set-With-Collet-Handle-New/323152218057?
11:10 AM gloops: sandvik are good quality
11:10 AM gloops: £45 notes
11:11 AM Brigi: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Large-lot-of-machinist-bastard-files-Grobet-Nicholson-Simonds-Sandvik/273129216530?hash=item3f97c51a12:g:r-4AAOSwQ7hauTcW
11:11 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/M2O5s4g.jpg
11:12 AM Brigi: gloops, Only one Sandvik that ships to the US on Ebay.
11:13 AM pink_vampire: Brigi: ^
11:13 AM gloops: seems expensive for used Brigi, i dunno
11:13 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, You didn't need to put your shiv in there too.
11:13 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, Thanks, I think I got it.
11:13 AM pink_vampire: lol
11:13 AM Brigi: gloops, Oh, I know. I just don't know of a US brand that makes good pin files.
11:14 AM pink_vampire: what are you gong to to with them?
11:14 AM Brigi: Was hoping gregcnc_ would have a suggestion for me.
11:14 AM gregcnc_: american?
11:14 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, Right now I'm likely only using them on delrin and ABS, but in the future, how knows.
11:14 AM pink_vampire: LOL
11:14 AM Brigi: gregcnc_, Or that I can get shipped here reasonably.
11:14 AM pink_vampire: get the cheapest from china
11:15 AM gregcnc_: where have you checked, that you can't find anything?
11:15 AM pink_vampire: and it will be just filn for that
11:15 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, I'm a buy it for life kinda guy, if I can put the $10 towards a lifetime set, I prefer that.
11:15 AM gloops: stanley?
11:15 AM Brigi: gregcnc_, I can find them all over, I just have no idea if any of them are worth a damn.
11:16 AM gregcnc_: straight files are one thing. if you do anything with curves you'll want rifflers
11:16 AM Brigi: gregcnc_, I wont worry about that for now.
11:16 AM pink_vampire: any file is not for life, is for how much you are going to use it and how flat you need it
11:17 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, Good advice. So you see them as consumable?
11:18 AM fragalot: Dick makes good files too
11:18 AM fragalot: sandvik isn't what they used to be anymore, imho.
11:18 AM gregcnc_: sandvik relabels a lot
11:18 AM gregcnc_: like any others
11:18 AM pink_vampire: it is all depends on what material you are using them, and how good you keep them clean.
11:19 AM fragalot: and whilst files are not "lifetime", it does certainly pay to get good ones
11:20 AM gregcnc_: I have all kinds of files from toolboxes buys. good files are clearly better than the crap
11:20 AM gregcnc_: but if you just need to knock a corner off something.....
11:20 AM fragalot: still a lot more pleasant to do that with a good file :P
11:20 AM gregcnc_: it pays to have a full selection of cuts too
11:20 AM fragalot: and sizes
11:20 AM fragalot: and don't be afraid to modify them too
11:21 AM Brigi: fragalot, Just modify them for shape?
11:21 AM pink_vampire: i think for what you need the "general" from lowes will be waaay more then you need
11:21 AM fragalot: Brigi: on triangular files, I typically grind one side smooth
11:21 AM Brigi: gregcnc_, How do you tell a good file from a bad one?
11:21 AM gregcnc_: i never filed much but had all these files. I understand files better now and yes good files, shapes, cuts it all matters
11:21 AM gregcnc_: name brand mostly
11:22 AM Brigi: fragalot, Do you can press on it?
11:22 AM pink_vampire: Brigi: it need to grab
11:22 AM fragalot: Brigi: yes, and so that I can also get into corners a lot further
11:22 AM pink_vampire: it need to be sharp
11:22 AM pink_vampire: and a good file maintain the it
11:22 AM fragalot: it also acts as a "safe" side where you don't have to worry about filing the already finished part
11:23 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, Ya, I know that it's overkill for what I'm doing now, but if I can put it towards a better set to help my future self, I should.
11:23 AM gregcnc_: you are talking probably an order of magnitutude in cost minimum
11:24 AM pink_vampire: https://www.homedepot.com/p/General-Tools-Steel-Precision-File-Set-6-Piece-707476H/100572556?keyword=general+files&semanticToken=21040+++%3E++++st%3A%7Bgeneral+files%7D%3Ast++cn%3A%7Bnull%7D++file+%7Bproduct%7D+general+%7Brest%7D+
11:24 AM pink_vampire: this is the set i have
11:25 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, You've shown me!
11:25 AM fragalot: I have a few of these sets: https://www.dick.de/en/files-and-rasps/products/needle-files
11:25 AM fragalot: they. are. GREAT.
11:25 AM fragalot: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dick-21001020-Needle-Files-Piece/dp/B00JOLJ1QU
11:25 AM fragalot: Brigi: ^ that's what gregcnc_ means with "order of magnitude"
11:26 AM Brigi: fragalot, You're not kidding! Thanks for the example.
11:27 AM pink_vampire: are you really need them to be super flat?
11:27 AM fragalot: I paid about half what you see on amazon
11:27 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, I don't think so.
11:27 AM Brigi: Brigi, At least, now now.
11:27 AM Brigi: not now*
11:27 AM gregcnc_: if you are making dies, molds etc,....
11:28 AM fragalot: if you file /a lot/,.. get a good set alongside the cheap set
11:28 AM fragalot: if you file frequently,.. get a good set alongside the cheap set
11:28 AM fragalot: if you file every so often.. just get the cheap set
11:28 AM fragalot: then get the good set later
11:28 AM fragalot: :D
11:28 AM pink_vampire: if it's going to be you first set get cheap ones, it is very easy to damage them
11:28 AM Brigi: fragalot, Good breakdown.
11:29 AM fragalot: getting hte cheap ones first also helps you appreciate good ones
11:31 AM Brigi: I learned everything I know about filing from this book. https://imgur.com/a/dIKNC
11:31 AM Brigi: 1955 thrift store find, and it's awesome.
11:32 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, The set you posted with the handle seems pretty nice. You don't find yourself wanting more shapes?
11:34 AM pink_vampire: not much
11:35 AM pink_vampire: i'm mostly use them to make sharp corners, and deburring
11:37 AM gregcnc_: https://imgur.com/a/L2HIh
11:38 AM Brigi: gregcnc_, Quite a pile there.
11:38 AM gregcnc_: I also have a full AM Swiss riffler set and those are nice for anything with curves
11:38 AM Brigi: In storing them you're not worried about bending the teeth with them loose?
11:39 AM andypugh: Brigi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4KaiG7CpSQ
11:39 AM pink_vampire: gregcnc_: you make want some rifflers
11:39 AM Tom_L: Brigi if they're that soft they're likely no good anyway
11:39 AM gregcnc_: ?
11:39 AM andypugh: That’s Clickspring talking about files. And he is an artist with files.
11:39 AM Brigi: Tom_L, They're the same hardness so they are damaging each other to some extent, right?
11:40 AM gregcnc_: maybe if you rub them against each other
11:40 AM gregcnc_: they just sit there
11:40 AM gregcnc_: but they need to be organized, I put them in a box after cleaning up the last tool box I bought
11:40 AM Brigi: gregcnc_, So, clearly, not concerned.
11:41 AM pink_vampire: https://www.amazon.com/Grobet-Swiss-Pattern-Needle-Files/dp/B0002FS834/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1523723977&sr=8-3&keywords=grobet+files
11:41 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, You're making me blush.
11:41 AM gregcnc_: I got them that way otherwise they would be in cases like the 4 in the box above
11:41 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, "Used by Professionals "
11:42 AM Tom_L: andypugh is he a clock maker?
11:42 AM andypugh: Tom_L: Well, he made a beautiful clock.
11:42 AM andypugh: But now he is hand-filing a replica Antikathera mechanism.
11:42 AM Tom_L: haven't made it far into the video yet
11:43 AM Brigi: Well thanks everyone for file advice!
11:43 AM Tom_L: being summoned to do some manual labor
11:43 AM pink_vampire: Brigi: if i need to use the files, in general there is something wrong in the gcode
11:43 AM andypugh: Clickspring recommends Grobet “Look for the bunny on the tang”
11:43 AM Tom_L: wonder if those are sold in the US
11:43 AM gregcnc_: sure MSc has them
11:44 AM pink_vampire: or amazon
11:44 AM andypugh: Pinky just linked to a Grobet set
11:44 AM gregcnc_: https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/60110996?fromRR=Y
11:44 AM Tom_L: i've got a drawer full but one can never have too many
11:44 AM pink_vampire: i can get a good 3d printer in that price
11:45 AM gregcnc_: but will it file?
11:45 AM Tom_L: i'd get more satisfaction from the files i believe
11:45 AM gregcnc_: i don't file enough to justify buying new
11:46 AM Brigi: Tom_L, Don't go too hard on printers, it's the only CNC I can fit in my place for now.
11:49 AM pink_vampire: i'm sure it's much larger then my place
11:50 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, I've got just over 200 sq/ft for me and another person.
11:50 AM pink_vampire: Brigi:
11:50 AM pink_vampire: opps
11:51 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, ???
11:51 AM pink_vampire: my whole house is 300sq/ft
11:52 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, 150% mine!
11:52 AM pink_vampire: but the area that all the good stuff is about 50 sq/ft
11:53 AM Brigi: All of my machines are hanging on the wall ABOVE my desk.
11:53 AM pink_vampire: just printers?
11:53 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, Upload a picture if you care to.
11:54 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, For now, I have plans for a laser cutter, but I'll wait so I don't have to deal with the fumes.
11:54 AM Brigi: I'm moving this summer.
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: hi from germany
11:54 AM Brigi: IchGucksLive, Hey there!
11:54 AM pink_vampire: I also want a laser
11:54 AM pink_vampire: but i have NO idea where to put it
11:55 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, Which is why I'm holding out!
11:55 AM gregcnc_: coffee time
11:55 AM pink_vampire: and everyone that I know with laser put it on fire
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire, laser is the burner
11:56 AM gregcnc_: why buy a laser to burn it down?
11:56 AM pink_vampire: and wooden house + fire...
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: gregcnc_, inshurence
11:56 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, but they're all in metal cases...
11:57 AM pink_vampire: https://never-stop-building-blog-production.s3.amazonaws.com/pictures/laser-cutter-plastics-testing/laser-sample-7-fire.jpg
11:58 AM pink_vampire: https://hackaday.com/2016/05/31/how-to-fail-at-laser-cutting/
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: Brigi, more engrave or cut on laser
11:58 AM Brigi: pink_vampire, That's whay they get for tying to cut charcoal.
11:58 AM pink_vampire: scroll down to the middle of the page
11:59 AM Brigi: Yup. An example of why you should get rid of your window. >.<
12:00 PM pink_vampire: the problem is the fumes are flammable and if you dont have very good ventilation, or you use too much power, you get fire
12:01 PM gregcnc_: plastic window huh
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: DOES someone know the pinout of this board https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1GUwEGVXXXXbFXpXXq6xXFXXXi/221908926/HTB1GUwEGVXXXXbFXpXXq6xXFXXXi.jpg
12:29 PM andypugh: Maybe not even the manufactuer :-)
12:33 PM MrHindsight: scan the baba for clones
12:34 PM pink_vampire: what board is that??
12:35 PM MrHindsight: https://www.solidrop.net/product/savebase-upgrade-5-axis-cnc-breakout-board-lcd-display-handle-controller-gcode-store.html
12:35 PM MrHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NveDpNQqFrk
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: its a board that showes the position it claims to get pulsed
12:36 PM pink_vampire: why do you need the lcd?
12:36 PM pink_vampire: it has a cnc controller in it?
12:36 PM fragalot: IchGucksLive: you mean it's a poor man's DRO?
12:36 PM Rab: Pendant by Speak & Spell.
12:36 PM MrHindsight: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SAVEBASE-Upgrade-5-Axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-LCD-Display-Handle-Controller-Gcode-Store/32251682570.html
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: fragalot, yes
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: all infos only on the CD i guess
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: the lpt pinout to connect
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: savebase has a download manual but i cand access the com page
12:41 PM MrHindsight: I have one of those. Never used it
12:42 PM fragalot: ._. adobe is only offering cloud based subscription copies of photoshop
12:44 PM MrHindsight: fragalot: for your protection
12:44 PM fragalot: lol
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: MrHindsight, do you got the CD
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: MrHindsight, by Hand i mean
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: MrHindsight, i need the lpt pin out numbers
12:58 PM MrHindsight: I have the board and I know where it is....
12:59 PM MrHindsight: the CD however has not been seen since ~2014
01:00 PM MrHindsight: https://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21003.0;attach=29693
01:00 PM MrHindsight: page #4
01:03 PM MrHindsight: https://imagebin.ca/v/3yNguGRePOce try this
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: ok
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: MrHindsight, thanks the bord looks differend but i will test
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: Thanks and off Gn8 From Germany
01:07 PM JT-Shop: there is a way to clear messages from G code anyone remember how?
01:08 PM andypugh: Ctrl-space?
01:08 PM JT-Shop: from g code
01:09 PM andypugh: I don’t even understand the question in that case.
01:09 PM JT-Shop: dewey did it somehow in a subroutine...
01:10 PM andypugh: M100 that halcmd setp axisui.notifications-clear
01:10 PM andypugh: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/axis.html#_axisui_pins
01:10 PM JT-Shop: ah thanks
01:16 PM Tom_L: oh wow, i asked about that a while back... thanks
01:19 PM Tom_L: does it matter where you put those?
01:19 PM Tom_L: main hal file?
01:19 PM JT-Shop: if you want to call that from G code put it in a M1xx file
01:20 PM Tom_L: i would probably leave error alone but the info can go
01:36 PM JT-Shop: oh well touchy does not have axisui pins :(
01:38 PM JT-Shop: turns out you can do it from G code (MSG, some message) (MSG,) to clear
01:39 PM JT-Shop: but only in Touchy as it only has a one line message area
01:47 PM andypugh: No, I would not expect touchy to have axisui pins. Possibly touchui pins?
01:54 PM JT-Shop: didn't see any touchyui pins
01:55 PM JT-Shop: little stinker took the egg back that just rolled out
02:13 PM fragalot: gloops: mill table is nearing completion :) https://imgur.com/a/yLwSB
02:15 PM gloops: why is it scooped out like that?
02:15 PM fragalot: coolant channel
02:16 PM gloops: i mean the in the centre, looks like its got shallow concave channels
02:16 PM hazzy-dev: gloops: I think the surface finish just makes it look scalloped
02:17 PM gloops: i wondered that hazzy might be might eyes lol
02:17 PM fragalot: that's just lighting
02:17 PM fragalot: it still needs to be surface ground
02:17 PM gloops: ahh ok, well looks very good anyway
02:19 PM JT-Shop: oh well plan 8 didn't work on this part so on to plan 9 from outer space
02:19 PM miss0r: JT-Shop: what are you working on?
02:20 PM JT-Shop: an insulator bracket for my chain link fence
02:21 PM miss0r: Sounds interresting :D How much power do you plan to hook on there ?
02:23 PM miss0r: I must be tired
02:23 PM JT-Shop: https://imagebin.ca/v/3yO58yBP61LC
02:24 PM miss0r: Why is that messing with you?
02:27 PM JT-Shop: I was trying to drill and tap the holes then bend it but the big holes near the bend messed up
02:28 PM JT-Shop: so I'll make them from 1" angle instead
02:28 PM fragalot: the thing with bending metal is that it stretches the areas around the bend :P
02:28 PM JT-Shop: just seeing if I could save some steps with the drilling and tapping (only the center hole is tapped)
02:28 PM JT-Shop: yep
02:28 PM miss0r: Thank you, cpt. obvious
02:28 PM JT-Shop: and the holes near the bend were too close
02:28 PM miss0r: :]
02:29 PM JT-Shop: one never know how close you can get till you try...
02:32 PM fragalot: there should be a pretty good chapter on exactly how close you can get in the machinists' handbook
02:33 PM JT-Shop: quicker to just try even though I have the large print edition
02:33 PM fragalot: hasn't stopped me from messing up large parts at work though .>
02:33 PM fragalot: get things lasercut, bent up, everything is absolutely spot on
02:33 PM fragalot: but the holes near the bend are all elongated :<
02:38 PM JT-Shop: yep angle will work nicely
03:04 PM gloops: strange thing with last cut i tried, with some text, the capitals are bigger than the small letters, in the cam and on the linuxcnc window, the smaller letters sat on the bottom line with the capitals
03:04 PM gloops: however in the cut, the smaller letters were aligned with the top of the capitals
03:05 PM gloops: i dont even know what that alignment is called with text, superscript or something
03:06 PM gregcnc_: doesn't make sense that the backplot would show one thing and cut another
03:06 PM gloops: no i thought that too gregcnc
03:07 PM gloops: ill try it again tommorrow
03:07 PM JT-Shop: what are you using to generate the G code?
03:07 PM gloops: vectric aspire, never had that issue with old machine
03:08 PM gloops: with g64
03:08 PM JT-Shop: f-engrave worked for me
03:09 PM gloops: i might try it with f-engrave as well just to rule out the code, it works fine in simulation, and looked right in the linuxcnc window, no idea
03:10 PM gregcnc_: did you try turning the part right side up?
03:10 PM gloops: how do you mean gregcnc?
03:10 PM gregcnc_: lol
03:11 PM gregcnc_: i don't buy that the machine made a "mistake"
03:12 PM gloops: i did have an issue with a driver shortly after, i still have that to look at, maybe it was that
03:12 PM gloops: build of some noise maybe, or maybe these drivers are just crap
03:12 PM gregcnc_: lost steps is something else
03:12 PM gloops: you know i bet thats it
03:13 PM gloops: if it lost some steps after the capital, all the following letters would be out of line
03:13 PM gloops: coincidence it just happened to look straight in line with top of capital letter
03:19 PM gloops: it was the y driver as well, (i know what the problem is with that pretty sure) , y direction was the issue, yes lost steps works i think
03:27 PM gloops: the one thing i was unsure about even when designing this thing - linuxcnc 2.8 master file, being able to run 2 joints in sync, has been no problem at all, have had issues with y and z from the start - but not a step lost on x with 2 motors
03:30 PM gregcnc_: why would driving 4 axes vs 3 be any trouble?
03:32 PM gloops: it isnt 4 axis
03:33 PM gregcnc_: the controller doesn't care
03:34 PM gloops: no i dont suppose it is any different
03:35 PM gloops: the difference on my machine is the y and z come from a different psu
03:36 PM gregcnc_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebJ59TcYlQ
03:36 PM gloops: ill try some ally tommorrow anyway, so far the mechanics have been ok
03:37 PM gloops: im tempted to make one of those gregcnc, just for the challenge
03:39 PM gregcnc_: 6 joints, all move to make a simple move in one axis
03:40 PM gloops: its doable
03:40 PM gregcnc_: no trouble at all for linuxcnc
03:40 PM gloops: for diy, especially if you already have a 3 axis machine to cut parts
03:41 PM gregcnc_: in regard to the controller having the capability to do math/send signals to make such moves. gantry machine is cake
03:42 PM gloops: but few visitors here, in fact nobody seems to run a gantry machine
03:42 PM gloops: probably because they mainly work metal
03:43 PM JT-Shop: I have a gantry plasma cutter
03:45 PM gloops: plasma is probably the exception with metal JT - as no cutting forces to worry about
03:45 PM gregcnc_: the control doesn't know about cutting forces
03:46 PM fragalot: there are gantry metal cutting machines a plenty
03:46 PM gloops: no, but if you are making the machine, a gantry is more of a challenge for milling steel
03:46 PM JT-Shop: right it's up to the designer to allow for cutting forces
03:46 PM fragalot: they are just typically a lot larger than what the people that frequent this channel use
03:46 PM JT-Shop: a gantry for anything is a challenge
03:47 PM gloops: yes im not saying a gantry cant cut metal fragalot, just that for diy, there are usually more practical options
03:47 PM gregcnc_: maybe why machines aren't all built by the companies that build controls
03:49 PM gloops: im glad i did use iron, it is solid, but i wouldnt want to make another
03:49 PM JT-Shop: 3 more parts to go
03:50 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: have you seen this? https://imgur.com/gallery/Rrb8e2d
03:52 PM gregcnc_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dQJBBklpQQ
03:53 PM fragalot: everyone knows about the beads one
03:53 PM fragalot: or gain
03:53 PM fragalot: but i've never seen it done with a liquid :P
03:54 PM gregcnc_: yeah we talked about it here
03:54 PM gloops: same with rope
03:54 PM MarcelineVQ: I do it with egg whites all the time
03:54 PM fragalot: MarcelineVQ: intentionally? :P
03:54 PM MarcelineVQ: it'sliterally how you seperate yokes :>
03:55 PM gloops: i knew a lad whos job that was at the dairy - seperating egg whites lol
03:55 PM MarcelineVQ: it's not some siphon effect though I'd think, just proteins
03:55 PM gloops: he spent all day cracking eggs - manually, no machines or devices, and splitting the yolk and white
03:59 PM Deejay: gn8
04:01 PM gregcnc_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkc-3-P8wyk
04:01 PM gloops: im still dont really know what the advantages of a hexapod are, i understand that the beams have greater strength used like props, not much lateral force
04:02 PM gloops: but what else?
04:02 PM gregcnc_: full 5 axis poistioning
04:02 PM gregcnc_: assuming range of motion allows
04:02 PM gloops: you could do that with a combination of linear and rotary axis
04:02 PM MarcelineVQ: another advantage is that it can climb up a building and scare people you don't like
04:03 PM gloops: it certainly has more wow factor
04:04 PM MarcelineVQ: if we're thinking of the same thing: any three points form a stable plane, but it's hard to walk with 3 legs, so a hexapod is both perfectly stable and mobile
04:04 PM gloops: if you were selling cnc machines youd have to have a working hex to demonstrate
04:04 PM gregcnc_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPS096dUVmw
04:06 PM gloops: see thats the machine you would show any potential client, we do 5 axis with our hexapod too
04:06 PM gregcnc_: ?
04:06 PM gloops: impressive, but if they ordered 5 axis, youd cut it on the standard 5 axis, not the hex
04:09 PM gregcnc_: all sorts of ideas out there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kScOmHkG8dI
04:10 PM gregcnc_: Metrom https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDxgfWBcDg1ZpixjGn09-ug/videos
04:22 PM gloops: not something you knock up in a weekend for $50 though
04:24 PM gloops: at least 1 YEAR of you life and disposable income is going into that project
05:05 PM XXCoder: good mornimg
05:06 PM JT-Shop: morning
05:07 PM pcw_home: It is _not_ morning (longitudinal purity council)
05:14 PM XXCoder: lol
05:14 PM XXCoder: adding trims downstairs yay
05:14 PM XXCoder: the floor ones is waterproof :)
05:24 PM JT-Shop: getting close to the finish line?
05:24 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:25 PM XXCoder: one of issues is heater for living room is offset by 1/4 inch, due to old wall that was removed with drywall on it
05:25 PM XXCoder: so it dont really look good, sticking out by 1/4
05:25 PM XXCoder: we considered framing it or something but it gets hot so dunno
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05:37 PM JT-Shop: gas heater?
05:38 PM XXCoder: electric
05:39 PM XXCoder: I think we used to have oil heater here. its very illegal but grandfathered in, so if house is under improvement it must be removed
06:00 PM JT-Shop: time to chill
06:00 PM jdh: always
06:35 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop in the most literal sense :)
06:36 PM Tom_L: 36�F
06:51 PM heli0s: heya
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08:50 PM enleth: ah shite
08:50 PM enleth: I buggered up a cutoff tool's heel trying to use it as a trepaning tool
08:50 PM enleth: I was sure it would clear the part, but it didn't
08:51 PM enleth: note to self: if it gets slightly harder to push into the stock, that's because the cutting edge is not the only part of the tool being pushed in, even if it's not making any funny noises
08:52 PM jdh: isn't trepaning cutting into a skull?
08:54 PM enleth: jdh: http://www.thinbit.com/images/products/dg_ext_fgrov.jpg
08:54 PM enleth: this is a very low radius trepaning tool
08:55 PM enleth: pretty much a cutoff tool with a very funny relief under the cutting edge
08:55 PM jdh: cool. never heard of that one.
08:56 PM enleth: for a large radius, a cutoff tool with a short heel and overdone side relief can do as a trepaning tool in a pinch
08:56 PM enleth: but the radius was too small in my case
08:57 PM enleth: jdh: it's also referred to as face grooving
11:06 PM MarcelineVQ: hehe, it's old hat for you guys so this might not sound exciting but I just had a really pleasant experience making a brass bushing and brass washer for my upcoming machine using a wood lathe, a couple files, and an old drift I had laying around
11:07 PM MarcelineVQ: fresh brass is quite beautiful, especially once made into something useful