#linuxcnc Logs

Apr 10 2018

12:03 AM pink_vampire|2 is now known as pink_vampire
12:11 AM pink_vampire: how is that for the gears box in the lathe?
12:20 AM ves: pink_vampire: does it have an oil pump?
12:20 AM pink_vampire: no
12:20 AM miss0r: goodmorning
12:20 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/KpBjEZn.jpg
12:20 AM pink_vampire: top left image
12:21 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/VTCKKTI.jpg
12:21 AM pink_vampire: ves: ^
12:23 AM ves: <-- Cromaglious/Crom
12:23 AM ves: pink AW46 is better
12:24 AM ves: AW68 even better for worn gear head
12:24 AM ves: aw32 (ISO 32) if it had a oil pump
12:24 AM pink_vampire: the manual say sae 10 motor oil
12:24 AM ves: 5gal from napa, o'reilly's, trator Supply
12:25 AM pink_vampire: it's a benchtop lathe
12:25 AM ves: sae 10 is about ISO 32 then
12:25 AM ves: worn you want to go to aw46 or aw68
12:26 AM pink_vampire: do you know also about good grease?
12:27 AM ves: aw32 (ISO 32) is gear oil for equipment, not motor oil...
12:27 AM ves: only grease I use is high molybe damn content Mil spec high pressure grear.
12:27 AM ves: only grease I use is high molybe damn content Mil spec high pressure grease.
12:28 AM pink_vampire: what brand?
12:28 AM ves: dark green with molybdenum disulfide
12:29 AM pink_vampire: it is better then the lithium grease?
12:29 AM ves: http://www.belray.com/molylube-high-temperature-grease
12:30 AM ves: white lithium is good for pins and hinges, moly be damn grease is for shafting, bushings, high speed, hi temp
12:31 AM ves: I've never had to replace a bearing I used moly be damn in. the light green, blue, red grease. all the time
12:31 AM pink_vampire: the manual say No. 1 NLGI grade heat-resistant lithium-based
12:32 AM pink_vampire: i need small can / tube or something like that
12:32 AM ves: molybdenum grease has better plating action than lithium
12:33 AM pink_vampire: but what brand?
12:33 AM ves: lemme find the Milspec number
12:34 AM pink_vampire: i saw that kit on amazon https://www.amazon.com/LUBRICATION-MAINTENANCE-EXPEDITED-DELIVERY-AVAILABLE/dp/B010GEMQXS/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1523338348&sr=8-5&keywords=vactra+2+way+oil
12:35 AM ves: MIL-G-21164D
12:37 AM ves: that's way oils
12:38 AM pink_vampire: only the vactra 2
12:38 AM fragalot: hi
12:38 AM pink_vampire: i have no idea what is the other 2
12:38 AM pink_vampire: hi fragalot
12:39 AM ves: https://www.amazon.com/AeroShell-Grease-formerly-Extreme-Pressure/dp/B01M8OQMOV/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&qid=1523338625&sr=8-21&keywords=MIL-G-21164D
12:39 AM ves: I look for it in mil surplus tubs
12:39 AM pink_vampire: lol i was on the same page
12:40 AM pink_vampire: ves: what is the nlgi rating for it?
12:45 AM ves: no idea... it's rated for air craft pivot pins on landing gear, it's rated for greasing 2 1/2 trucks, it's rated for the barrel nut on M-16's, bearings - ball, roller, needle. Bushings, on aircraft, starters, ....
12:46 AM ves: I probably have 10 lbs stashed her, morro bay, richmond, at Pops, at my brothers, ...
12:47 AM pink_vampire: i need to be a bit like fluid to be able to flow in the old grease pints
12:48 AM ves: I used AW46 in a bobcat 963 and bobcat 443 hydraulic system and the chain bays, I use it in right angle gear boxes as well
12:49 AM ves: flush with mineral oil in a grease gun, then regrease
12:50 AM ves: or kero or diesel
12:50 AM pink_vampire: mineral oil can clean the grease pints???
12:52 AM ves: hell olive oil can as well... thinner is better... naptha, mineral oil, canola oil (rape seed), kero, diesel, ...
12:53 AM ves: gasoline will to, but that eats alot of older seals
12:53 AM pink_vampire: i'm cleaning the lathe with denatured alcohol
12:53 AM MarcelineVQ: Fluid Film rehydrates old grease really well
12:54 AM ves: CARP!!! I only get a 30day license for xilinx ISE grrrr.... and $3000+ for a license is out the window
12:55 AM ves: guess I'll have to make bit files for just about every BOB combination I can figure out
12:56 AM pink_vampire: try to call them
12:59 AM ves: They have a 5 axis BOB bit file... I can start with that and make a 4axis with spindle index on port 2, homes, estop, probe on Port 1
01:00 AM ves: nite all, 10pm finally cooled down to 62f
01:00 AM CaptHindsight: will trade you for my 29F
01:01 AM pink_vampire: 35f here
01:03 AM Deejay: moin
01:03 AM pink_vampire: hi
01:16 AM miss0r: damn this cast iron is heavy :D
01:16 AM SpeedEvil: 7900kg/m^3 or so.
01:17 AM pink_vampire: miss0r: ??
01:17 AM miss0r: Ci plate measuring 480x920x32.5
01:17 AM miss0r: I'm going to put it in the car and go get a piece of it waterjet cut
01:18 AM miss0r: with speedevils numbers that amounts to around 113kg
01:20 AM * miss0r has a smoke to man up
01:22 AM miss0r: hah... I just called the place where I know a guy... Apparently he won't be in till tomorrow.. Good thing I called him first :D
01:24 AM IchGucksLive: morning rain in germany sad
01:25 AM IchGucksLive: ves, still online
01:27 AM miss0r: (07:58:53)<ves>nite all, 10pm finally cooled down to 62f
01:27 AM IchGucksLive: did read it
01:27 AM IchGucksLive: i also did read tom with the 7i92 combo
01:27 AM IchGucksLive: we realy need to get the eth system into the pncconf
01:28 AM IchGucksLive: maybe the master got it bt not the realese
01:28 AM IchGucksLive: i see 7i92 into github with 7i80 and 7i76e
01:29 AM IchGucksLive: im off got to do somthing on cnc papercutter masking
01:42 AM pink_vampire: https://youtu.be/ElQH4FrhDvY
01:45 AM gloops: *wondering what causes doubling of max jitter
01:52 AM gloops: dell optiplex 745, was giving very similar latency results to those listed on the linuxcnc list of machines
01:53 AM gloops: but i cant remember if my original testing was BEFORE i plugged the machine into it
01:58 AM pink_vampire: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f38/154920d1448221553-air-compressor-tank-exploded-shottank.jpg
01:58 AM pink_vampire: how bad is that?
02:00 AM SpeedEvil: you mean it exploded post explosion?
02:00 AM SpeedEvil: You can safely weld on pressure vessels, but it's a whole complex skillset.
02:01 AM SpeedEvil: ^post pic
02:13 AM CaptHindsight: gloops: power management and SMI can
02:14 AM CaptHindsight: often BIPS/EFI is broken and even if you set those to be OFF they might still be ON
02:14 AM CaptHindsight: BIOS not Bips
02:21 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: i wouldnt have problems with that tank if its only charged to 8 or 10 bar. The welds look ok to me... but i am a danger seeker :-)
02:23 AM SpeedEvil: 'only 8 or 10 bar' - compute the amount of energy stored.
02:24 AM SpeedEvil: I would at the least put a sandbag berm around it.
02:24 AM SpeedEvil: I have idly wondered about just using 2l bottles as reservoirs.
02:24 AM SpeedEvil: The manifolds getannoying
02:24 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: dont need to. have seen (and heard) a 120l pressure tank rupture at 20 bar... pretty nasty bang. but as long as you are not close near it: harmless
02:25 AM SpeedEvil: Unless fragments.
02:25 AM Loetmichel: doesent usually happen
02:25 AM SpeedEvil: Sure.
02:26 AM Loetmichel: it just peels open like a banana
02:28 AM SpeedEvil: And food in the shop is more likely to kill you.
02:28 AM SpeedEvil: (due to overeating)
02:35 AM gloops: CaptHindsight could be yeah, i had to bypass something to get it to boot at all, but strange i set this up about 2 months ago it was giving below 30000 jitter, now way higher, ill have a look anyway maybe something simple as ram failure, or not sitting right
02:36 AM gloops: i have been powering it off by switching socket off quite a bit
02:39 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: we once made an air compressor out of an 1,6 liters 4 cylinder VW golf motor and a 60kw 3 phase motor.
02:39 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: :)
02:39 AM Loetmichel: fun thing. but pretty bad for the tanks when the pressure switch sticks ;)
02:39 AM SpeedEvil: Two golf motors!
02:39 AM SpeedEvil: Or one, and abuse.
02:40 AM Loetmichel: nope, we just made a new head for the golf block and drove it with the electro motor
02:41 AM miss0r: I just had a 6mm carbide endmill die on me :S with no warning.. cutting perfectly.. cutting perfectly.. cutting perfectly... large burr SNAP
02:41 AM miss0r: :S
02:42 AM miss0r: only with a 1.5mm DOC
02:42 AM miss0r: it is goddamn annoying to have to reset a new tool while having a workpiece clamped
02:48 AM miss0r: Hmm.. It looks like i'm down the ones with 1.0 radius.. I may very well be out of 0.5 radius.. This might turn out to be one of those days
02:51 AM miss0r: phew.. still have a few R0.3
02:52 AM SpeedEvil: I do wonder how much cutting force monitoring would help
02:52 AM Loetmichel: miss0r: sounds to me like it slipped out of the collet
02:52 AM miss0r: Like an amp-meter on the spindle?
02:52 AM Loetmichel: do you have a deep hole at the end of the cut?
02:52 AM miss0r: Loetmichel: Its in a weldon type tool holder
02:52 AM SpeedEvil: miss0r: Or actual xyz/... force
02:53 AM miss0r: Loetmichel: not
02:53 AM miss0r: no*
02:53 AM Loetmichel: hmm, was an idea
02:53 AM Loetmichel: especially with that "large burr" at the end
02:53 AM miss0r: sure. It seems it simply lost all ability to cut, and sorta 'melted' its way through the alu
02:54 AM miss0r: But the bottom surface looks perfect right up to the point of breaking
02:54 AM Loetmichel: ah. maybe the cutting edge(s) broke off?
02:54 AM miss0r: SpeedEvil: That would be impossible to monitor manually
02:54 AM SpeedEvil: miss0r: yes
02:54 AM miss0r: Loetmichel: Its hard to tell. Its pretty mangled. But I need to dig out the carbide. This is the lart stock in this size I have in store
02:54 AM miss0r: last*
02:55 AM Loetmichel: hmm
02:55 AM Loetmichel: be careful to dig out all the carbide parts
02:55 AM Loetmichel: even the snall ones
02:55 AM * miss0r gets at it with a magnifyung flass & a pair of plyers
02:55 AM miss0r: luckily its in aluminium. Its soft enough to yeild
02:56 AM Loetmichel: cant tell how often i put in a new mill bit juuuust to have it break again at the same place because of an overseen splinter of the old tool
02:56 AM miss0r: yeah
02:56 AM miss0r: I don't want to break any more tools on this workpiece. It will become expensive
02:57 AM Loetmichel: and check your code. i had it once that the postprocessor "forgot" to move in G1 and instead moved G0 in the workpiece
02:57 AM miss0r: and I only have ~50 6mm sutton varbide endmills left
02:58 AM miss0r: I'll glance at it. But it was on the second pass
02:59 AM miss0r: Its a bloddy mess in there !
02:59 AM Loetmichel: as long as no parts of the cutter are now embedded in your skin everything is fine
03:01 AM miss0r: https://imgur.com/a/FVQFQ
03:01 AM miss0r: :-/
03:01 AM pink_vampire: omg...
03:01 AM miss0r: okay, it seems the bottom also looks like shit :D
03:01 AM miss0r: pink_vampire: Yeah.. sucks
03:01 AM pink_vampire: i see something go wrong..
03:02 AM pink_vampire: is that aluminum?
03:02 AM miss0r: yeah, I have to dig out the remaining carbide from that pit
03:02 AM miss0r: yes
03:02 AM miss0r: 6062 T4
03:02 AM pink_vampire: 6062?
03:02 AM pink_vampire: is that the marine one?
03:03 AM miss0r: marine one? it is 'somewhat corossion resistant' if that is what you mean?
03:03 AM Loetmichel: hmm, could also be aluminium melted onto the mill bit. do you use coolant?
03:03 AM miss0r: yeah flood coolant
03:04 AM Loetmichel: then i have no more ideas
03:04 AM miss0r: but it looks like that is what happened nonetheless. but that probally happened because it lots its cutting edges
03:04 AM miss0r: lost*
03:04 AM gloops: whats spindle speed miss0r?
03:05 AM miss0r: 4000rpm moving at 800mm/min
03:05 AM miss0r: (my max spindle speed)
03:05 AM pink_vampire: what diameter?
03:06 AM gloops: they also seem to go for high speed with smaller cutter, funnily enough
03:06 AM miss0r: pink_vampire: 6mm
03:06 AM pink_vampire: the 6062 is softer then the 6061
03:07 AM miss0r: Yeah. 6mm is the smallest endmill I use on this mill. Smaller than that, with my spindle speed, it just gets impractical
03:07 AM pink_vampire: try to take shallow cut in high feed rate
03:07 AM pink_vampire: lol, tell that to my 1/32
03:07 AM miss0r: pink_vampire: I can't go fast enough on the spindle to move faster than this. Not alot anyway. That would give me horrible finish
03:08 AM miss0r: I'm hoping the finish pass on the contour will clean up this mess
03:08 AM pink_vampire: try the same feedrate but shallow cut
03:09 AM pink_vampire: the idea is to prevent the material from getting hot.
03:09 AM miss0r: Sure... I thought I was already doing a shallow cut. 1.5mm is nothing - usualy.. At the monet I'm just trying to clean out the remaining carbide
03:09 AM pink_vampire: and also prevent rubbing
03:09 AM miss0r: also: i'm running flood coolant
03:10 AM pink_vampire: how many flues?
03:10 AM miss0r: 3
03:10 AM miss0r: err 4
03:10 AM pink_vampire: try 2 for better chip evacuation
03:10 AM miss0r: Ideally I would use 2-3, but then I would have to slow down the feed rate
03:11 AM miss0r: All true. But my theory is that the cutter just had too many miles on it
03:12 AM pink_vampire: i know it sucks to slow down the feedrate, but it is much faster then broken tool
03:14 AM miss0r: true. but usualy this setup is flawless :D
03:14 AM miss0r: If I just had more of this stock, I would toss this one right fast in a hurry
03:16 AM gonzo__ is now known as gonzo_
03:17 AM miss0r: Okay, I think I got the last of it. Time to reset a new tool and fingers crossed ;)
03:19 AM pink_vampire: ok
03:23 AM hazzy-dev1 is now known as hazzy-dev
03:23 AM hazzy1 is now known as hazzy
03:24 AM rmu: does anybody have experience cleaning clogged cutters with NaOH or HCl?
03:27 AM pink_vampire: rmu: i just tap on them
03:39 AM miss0r: cut went fine this time :) Now to see if the finish pass will clean it up :)
04:09 AM miss0r: well, it cleaned up well enough to warrent a 'meh' :]
04:14 AM rmu: pink_vampire: doesn't that risk chipping the flutes?
04:15 AM pink_vampire: i'm using brass punch, or small pick
04:19 AM rmu: i made some experiments cleaning old clogged HSS and VHM (=carbide?) cutters in diluted HCl
04:20 AM rmu: doesn't seem to affect sharpness or coatings, cleaned cutters look like new
04:31 AM SpeedEvil: :)
04:55 AM gloops: hmm, first small test circle looks ok
04:57 AM jthornton: morning
05:00 AM gloops: howdy
05:02 AM jthornton: making some progress with the router?
05:04 AM gloops: well its about ready, i just havent got much time to spend on it atm, just set up and cut small circle, which looks ok, so sign of any backlash or anything
05:05 AM gloops: but thats about it for today
05:06 AM gloops: got leaks in garage roof which need doing badly, but it never dries out, apparently this is the worst first quarter for weather for 40 years, and i can believe it
05:07 AM jthornton: neighbor is packing up a dozen of her roosters to go to the processor and I'm sending mine along
05:07 AM gloops: lol, so its farewell then
05:08 AM jthornton: yep, learned all I can from him so time to go
05:18 AM jthornton: and with a waning crescent moon I'll need some supplemental light to put him in the cage
05:24 AM * Tom_L waves goodbye to henry
05:25 AM Deejay: henry is going into the soup? omg
05:25 AM jthornton: yup
05:26 AM Deejay: oh no
05:26 AM jthornton: he won't be alone
05:26 AM Deejay: that doesnt make it better...
05:37 AM jthornton: I could send him to your house...
05:56 AM gloops: not much you can do with a rooster, i mean a rabbit you can release into the wild if you want to give it a chance
05:56 AM gloops: chickens dont survive in the wild
06:03 AM jthornton: yea the time I tossed him out of the chicken yard he was back inside the yard in 3 days
06:08 AM jthornton: and everyone is awake and starting their day
06:10 AM jthornton: pretty soon no supplemental light, we are up to 12h 55m of daylight
07:09 AM pink_vampire: any idea how to remove a chuck from a lathe?
07:10 AM jthornton: depends on what kind of chuck it is
07:10 AM jthornton: some are threaded on some have cam locks etc
07:10 AM pink_vampire: one with a thread
07:10 AM pink_vampire: it's a maximat 7
07:11 AM pink_vampire: there is a clamp ring on it
07:12 AM jthornton: if it's just threaded a smack with a dead blow on a jaw should loosen it
07:13 AM pink_vampire: but the clamp ring is loos
07:14 AM pink_vampire: i'm taking a pic
07:50 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/N2AujE4.jpg
07:51 AM pink_vampire: this is from the manual
07:57 AM slipalong: Hi is is possible to add a quick to length check to the manual tool change function within Axis?
07:58 AM slipalong: I will fix a perm tool hight pad / switch somewhere on the table.
08:04 AM pink_vampire: you need to add g-code for that
08:08 AM Beachbumpete1: morning guys..
08:09 AM Beachbumpete1: any of you know how to draw ellipses or circles isometrically in draftsight ;)
08:31 AM Beachbumpete1: OK heres another question what is the diameter of the average golf bag base? ;)
08:31 AM gregcnc: Pink_vampire when I first got my Clausing I had to hang off a 3 foot breaker bar to loosen the chuck
08:41 AM jdh: mine average 0mm
08:50 AM pink_vampire: gregcnc_: how did you lock the chuck??
08:51 AM gregcnc_: it was that way when I bought it, highschool machine, probably crashed into the carriage
08:52 AM gregcnc_: did you find the best grease?
08:59 AM pink_vampire: yeah
08:59 AM pink_vampire: https://www.grainger.com/product/MOBIL-Mobilux-EP-1-Tan-Lithium-Extreme-2RV29
09:00 AM gregcnc_: hum their basic grease who would have thought
09:00 AM pink_vampire: this is what the manual say
09:01 AM gregcnc_: and DTE?
09:01 AM pink_vampire: what is DTE?
09:01 AM gregcnc_: Mobil DTE 24 ?
09:02 AM pink_vampire: as gear oil?
09:02 AM gregcnc_: yes
09:03 AM pink_vampire: i can't find it in small container
09:04 AM gregcnc_: https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/60002011
09:07 AM gregcnc_: if it's a pain to get any AW32 hydraulic oil wouldn't be just as good
09:08 AM pink_vampire: how it is compered to a none detergent SAE 10 motor oil? (the manual say SAE 10 motor oil)
09:09 AM Beachbumpete1: nobody plays golf here hehe
09:09 AM pink_vampire: ??????
09:09 AM gregcnc_: probably much better for the application
09:10 AM pink_vampire: how is that for the chuck? https://www.amazon.com/CHUCK-EEZ-Chuck-Lubricant-oz-Cartridge/dp/B075FD2GYP/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523360830&sr=8-1&keywords=chuck+eez
09:10 AM gregcnc_: I use whatever with EP, but that would work
09:11 AM pink_vampire: what is EP?
09:11 AM pink_vampire: extreme pressure?
09:11 AM gregcnc_: yes
09:11 AM pink_vampire: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mobil-DTE24-Light-Hydraulic-oil-2-Pints-16-oz-ea-NEW/301862560832?hash=item4648692440:g:eQUAAOSwX~dWr3EB
09:12 AM gregcnc_: if that's all you want to keep around
09:13 AM pink_vampire: i need just 1/2 pint...
09:13 AM gregcnc_: makes eggs taste that much better
09:13 AM pink_vampire: LOL
09:14 AM pink_vampire: so I have a set
09:15 AM pink_vampire: Vactra 2 for the ways, DTE 24 for the gear, mubilux EP1 for the grease pints, and Chuck eez for the chuck.
09:20 AM pink_vampire: gregcnc_: ^ what do you think?
09:20 AM gregcnc_: standard stuff, but the chuck grease is overkill
09:20 AM gregcnc_: power chucks are operated at much higher pressures
09:22 AM pink_vampire: for 29$ for a tube that going to last forever.. why not?
09:30 AM gregcnc_: pink https://servimg.com/view/19103929/547
09:31 AM pink_vampire: gregcnc_: i like good meat
09:32 AM gregcnc_: only if home made, store stuff is terrible
09:53 AM Beachbumpete1: mmmmm keilbasa :)
09:56 AM sync: Бочка,басс,колбасер
11:18 AM _abc_: Hi. Reading http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5598145/Worlds-singing-road-closed-mental-torture.html
11:19 AM _abc_: I was reminded of the guy(s) who coded a vinyl record equivalent in gcode and cut a playable disk on a cnc
11:19 AM _abc_: Is there some relevant software, open source, somewhere? I don't know what to search for.
11:19 AM _abc_: For cnc, not for roads, although I have a hunch the road was some sort of equivalent code sourced and implemented in what?
11:20 AM _abc_: I guess one can modulate the vertical position of the asphalt laying machine in real time with an encoder on one of the castor wheels ;) Just brainstorming a bit.
11:26 AM CaptHindsight: concrete will slump before it hardens
11:26 AM gregcnc_: depends on mix, they form curbs wet
11:27 AM gregcnc_: co in McHenry builds the machines
11:30 AM CaptHindsight: sure but they aren't going to pour a whole road with it
11:32 AM gregcnc_: only if singing roads became a thing, grooves are cut after aren't they?
11:34 AM _abc_: CaptHindsight: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5598065/Incredible-3D-printed-bungalow-built-scratch-15-hours.html no
11:34 AM _abc_: CaptHindsight: accelerant is added and it is printed in layers
11:34 AM _abc_: CaptHindsight: the asphalt machine has a 'scrapper' blade which makes the surface even, this is hydraulically settable in height, there's a fancy PLC controlling it usually.
11:35 AM _abc_: CaptHindsight: pretty easy to add something to modulate the height probably using the PLC's modbus or such to control a register in real time
11:35 AM _abc_: gregcnc_: some groves are cut after but it costs money to cut more than "a few" edge shaker groves and such
11:35 AM CaptHindsight: the concrete used for the walls is not what is used for roads
11:36 AM _abc_: gregcnc_: for a complete road it makes more sense to use the modulation on the asphalt machine
11:36 AM _abc_: CaptHindsight: the road has ashphalt on it, the concrete underneath is not relevant for the singing.
11:36 AM CaptHindsight: concrete is a generic term for wide range of compositions
11:36 AM gregcnc_: I think you'll have to create a market before you worry about a machine to do this
11:37 AM CaptHindsight: asphalt is another story
11:37 AM CaptHindsight: what if they just made roads out of candy?
11:37 AM _abc_: Municipalities are very happy with such value added things if they can boast with them, and it costs nearly nothing to do it by modulating the asphalt machine.
11:39 AM CaptHindsight: will they play country and western or music?
11:41 AM _abc_: CaptHindsight: In Texas, for sure.
11:41 AM _abc_: Elsewhere, I don't know. Internationale?
11:42 AM _abc_: But note the fact people got REALLY bored with it after a short while
11:42 AM _abc_: So the lesson is, keep the songs short and far between ;)
11:42 AM _abc_: Was there any talk about cnc concrete printing based on linuxcnc controllers here? Ever?
11:43 AM Beachbumpete1: http://www.pmmachines.com/index.php/view-products/item/9-cnc-machines/452-2013-haas-vf4-vmc-with-sidemount-toolchanger :)
11:43 AM _abc_: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/10/09/4B009A3800000578-5598065-image-a-25_1523350542020.jpg
11:43 AM gregcnc_: for the garage?
11:43 AM * _abc_ notes the layer height is set ~= nozzle diameter. I also saw a concrete extruder pic where the nozzle was castoring and rectangular in section
11:45 AM _abc_: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/10/12/4B009A2B00000578-5598065-The_scheme_is_already_being_rolled_out_across_Spain_with_global_-a-2_1523358707958.jpg different layer height set
11:45 AM _abc_: Speaking of layer height: the 1st layer is always a problem, I have the problem where the table is too high sometimes, and managers to prevent 1st layer extrusion completely! This is amazing since the E stepper should overcome this pressure easily.
11:45 AM _abc_: Is this normal? Chinese printer.
11:46 AM gregcnc_: is anyone printing houses with a profit yet?
11:46 AM CaptHindsight: I might be the only one that uses LCNC for printing, everyone else uses *duinos :)
11:46 AM _abc_: Probably, and they're likely not talking much about it
11:47 AM CaptHindsight: or the Rpi's
11:47 AM _abc_: The exterior and interior finish is c**p for now.
11:47 AM gregcnc_: not about how they are doing it, but it would be known
11:47 AM _abc_: There should be some improvements soon with a 'horizontal' tool bearing cnc to do the surfaces a bit. Inside and outside.
11:47 AM _abc_: gregcnc_: There are outfits which print houses on demand in several cities now, in Europe and America
11:47 AM CaptHindsight: nobody is actually using the printed concrete houses
11:47 AM _abc_: gregcnc_: you can order something probably.
11:48 AM _abc_: Never say 'nobody'. Surely some chicken coop or commune or something is using one somewhere.
11:48 AM gregcnc_: i've seen shed size stuff
11:49 AM gregcnc_: printing vs ICF?
11:49 AM CaptHindsight: the complaints are wiring and plumbing
11:52 AM _abc_: CaptHindsight: the chicks don't mind and the rooster loves the darkness
11:53 AM CaptHindsight: trying to find the article that covered people actually trying to live in them
11:54 AM CaptHindsight: see you you can find anything on actual occupancy of them
11:55 AM enleth: _abc_: expensive high-end FDM printers are expensive and high-end in part due to a bunch of sensors and effectors dedicated to automatic bed leveling and height adjustment
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:56 AM _abc_: enleth: of course. But ... is it normal for a small PLA printer to not be able to push out plastic when the nozzle rests on the bed?
11:56 AM enleth: _abc_: don't underestimate the power of emergent hydraulic systems
11:56 AM enleth: it's absolutely normal
11:56 AM _abc_: okay
11:56 AM _abc_: Just asking
11:56 AM _abc_: Levelling the bed manually is a b**ch
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: _abc_, humen brain levels faster and precice with no extra cost
11:58 AM _abc_: IchGucksLive: yes, I am cheap. You noticed?
11:59 AM _abc_: There's another gcode oriented channel, I heard. Anyone know which one it is?
11:59 AM enleth: IchGucksLive: not sure about faster, have you seen a Zortrax doing autoleveling?
12:00 PM enleth: 30 seconds or so
12:00 PM _abc_: Yes so good machines do that, this one does not, and it is not mine
12:01 PM _abc_: I use a machine in a lab
12:01 PM _abc_: Which I helped build etc but it's not mine.
12:02 PM Beachbumpete1: interesting....CNC concrete mud squirter modeler thingy ;)
12:02 PM _abc_: So I won't add any leveling to it.
12:02 PM _abc_: Beachbumpete1: yes. There are some diy which use water printing onto a 'bed' filled with plaster of paris powder
12:03 PM _abc_: Modified inkjet printer squirting water.
12:03 PM _abc_: Tbh Plaster of Paris is murder on bearings and motors.
12:03 PM _abc_: Abrasive, mild, but thorough.
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: Beachbumpete1, you can put a raw concrete mold under it and engrave names and logos
12:04 PM fragalot: hi
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: enleth, shure but on what cost you cna get a Z-printer for this add
12:06 PM Beachbumpete1: hehe that sounds interesting
12:07 PM Beachbumpete1: my boss was talking about buying a used CNC robot arm and doing some 3D milling and possibly printing with it.
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: the industrial 6DOF are well known and sold on a good price
12:09 PM enleth: IchGucksLive: yes, it is expensive, I was just pointing out that manual leveling definitely is not faster, I have no idea why you would say it
12:11 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: I bought a KUKA KR200 to play with some multiaxis milling, just didn't have time to do that yet so it just sits in a corner
12:12 PM enleth: good thing is, F360 has a CAM postprocessor for KRL
12:13 PM enleth: bad thing is, the control box that came with my robot is so old that this is going to be the only way to control it
12:14 PM enleth: standardized realtime external control was introduced in later models
12:15 PM Beachbumpete1: you cant retrofit that?
12:16 PM Beachbumpete1: Woah that KR200 is a beast
12:16 PM enleth: well, the other bad thing about the KRC1 control is that its servo drives are controlled by the PC through a completely undocumented, very low level parallel interface
12:17 PM enleth: the sheer magnitude of reverse engineering required to be able to use those servo drives with LinuxCNC or basically anything other than the original ISA card and KSS is not worth it
12:17 PM Beachbumpete1: damn that sucks looks like a hulk arm tho ;)
12:17 PM CaptHindsight: you'd have to get access to all the motors, encoders, resolvers etc
12:18 PM enleth: 200kg dynamic load capacity, 500kg static
12:18 PM jthornton: lunch minute is over... damn that boss is a slave driver
12:18 PM enleth: 3m reach
12:18 PM Beachbumpete1: jthornton hehe
12:19 PM Beachbumpete1: whats that monster weigh?
12:19 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: how much do you like swiss cheese?
12:19 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: about 1300kg
12:19 PM Beachbumpete1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSHI2ujrjjY
12:19 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: this is not a problem, the electrical motor/brake interfaces are simple and well documented, encoder interface is semi-documented and certainly possible to reverse engineer within a reasonable timeframe
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: im off thunder outside we are in the first sprig storm need to get on the raidio to hear if help is needed lots or rain
12:20 PM Beachbumpete1: KG whazzat one of those Killer Gremlins?
12:20 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: the problem is that I'd have to buy six 3-phase 3kW resolver-capable servo drives
12:20 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: which would cost me several times what I paid for the whole robot
12:21 PM enleth: actually, 3x 3kW and 3x 5kW
12:21 PM Beachbumpete1: says that one is programmed with Sprutcam
12:22 PM enleth: what I actually need is a KRC2 control that uses MODBUS servo drives with a documented protocol
12:22 PM CaptHindsight: nah doesn't STMBL do all that and more?
12:23 PM enleth: if I had a KRC2, I could rip the original PC out and actually try to integrate LinuxCNC
12:23 PM enleth: I'm looking for one on auction sites, but they're quite rare
12:23 PM CaptHindsight: ah only up to 2KW
12:23 PM enleth: so I'm stuck with the older KRC1 for now, with Windows 95 and KSS 4.x
12:27 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: yep, as far as I know there are no open source servo drives capable of driving this robot's motors
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: just needs a bigger driver
12:27 PM Beachbumpete1: is there a model of arm that is reasonably priced yet has the ability to retrofit easier?
12:27 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: it's not about the arm, it's about the control box
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: finding one used is the issue
12:27 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: you can connect any KUKA arm to any KUKA control that is newer than the arm
12:27 PM Beachbumpete1: yeah I get that
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: new arms are $20k and up for that size
12:27 PM Beachbumpete1: thats it?
12:27 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: what do you mean by "new"?
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: whats the reach?
12:27 PM Beachbumpete1: jeez I thought it would be Way MORE THAN THAT
12:27 PM enleth: it is
12:27 PM Beachbumpete1: if you don't mind what did you pay for yours?
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: yes robot arms are $20k and up
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: "and up" means more, higher
12:27 PM enleth: $20k is a typical price for a KR200/2B (one revision higher than mine, around 1999-2001) with KRC2 in good working condition
12:27 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: but definitely not new
12:28 PM gregcnc_: wait are you sure? did you estimate or use number columns to show your work?
12:28 PM CaptHindsight: I used the inside out method
12:29 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: the model I have (KR200/1A with KRC1) usually costs around $10k, but I got mine for $1800 because it had some hardware problems the previous owner wasn't able to fix
12:29 PM gregcnc_: same method the kids are tought
12:29 PM Beachbumpete1: those 6DOF arms are interesting...and cheap
12:29 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: scrap price, basically
12:29 PM Beachbumpete1: enleth man after my own heart :)
12:29 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: there's about 1000kg of aluminum alone in it
12:29 PM enleth: I could literally sell it at a scrapyard for more than I paid
12:29 PM Beachbumpete1: you on the west coast of FLA right?
12:30 PM enleth: nope, EU
12:30 PM Beachbumpete1: oh ok sorry
12:30 PM gregcnc_: EU?, not Poland
12:30 PM enleth: well, Poland is in the EU
12:31 PM gregcnc_: for how long?
12:31 PM enleth: since 2004
12:31 PM gregcnc_: much longer
12:32 PM gregcnc_: anyway carry on
12:32 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: if I were on the west coast in FLA, I'd be probably helping Abom get his shaper fixed right now just to be able to play with his machines
12:33 PM Beachbumpete1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKUj_-PLc9k Dear GOD a robot running under MACH3
12:33 PM Beachbumpete1: oh yeah did not know he lived here
12:33 PM CaptHindsight: Beachbumpete1: nothing on a *duino?
12:33 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: Pensacola
12:34 PM Beachbumpete1: that is a duino?
12:34 PM Beachbumpete1: pretty impressive build actually
12:36 PM CaptHindsight: homemade industrial robot, is industrial similar to trail rated or is it more like Ford tough?
12:37 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: oh, and those hardware problems that convinced the previous owner to get rid of the robot for scrap price turned out to be a simultaneous failure of one RAM stick in the PC and backlight in the pendant, which he tried to fix by buying a new $800 special KUKA VGA card, so I also got a spare card now
12:39 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: in addition to that, the current sensing and limiting circuit for axis #4 was acting up before the above failed, but the error message for this had a very unfortunate wording that strongly suggested a mechanical problem (which it would be if the current reading was really that high) which prompted the guy to buy a $1000 spare motor to replace a perfectly good original one
12:39 PM enleth: so I have a spare motor too
12:40 PM miss0r: fragalot: in what context?
12:41 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: figuring out what was *actually* broken took a couple of days but I now have a working robot and some spare parts
12:43 PM enleth: Beachbumpete1: BTW, if your boss ever actually gets around to buyin a 6DOF arm and it happens to be a KUKA (it probably will, they're like 3/4 of used robot market right now), go ahead and let me know if you have any questions/problems, I should be able to help
12:45 PM enleth: it's the only machine I own I haven't taken apart and put back together just for the heck of it *yet* but I think I still know quite a bit about making it work if it doesn't want to
12:46 PM CaptHindsight: which model is this? https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/d/bridgeport-vertical-mill/6550654333.html
12:47 PM miss0r: fragalot: hehe it took some time to sink in.. Its fine with me, just add the holes you feel like ;)
12:47 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: what the actual
12:47 PM enleth: that's a weird one
12:48 PM enleth: it's an M head, but this offset column and thin round ram are extremely strange
12:49 PM CaptHindsight: all original or some frankenport?
12:49 PM CaptHindsight: hybrid
12:49 PM enleth: shitty photos, not showing the bottom of the machine at all
12:50 PM enleth: saddle looks kinda non-bridgeport
12:50 PM enleth: but hard to tell
12:50 PM enleth: that column, though
12:50 PM enleth: weirdest shit of a knee mill I've ever seen
12:51 PM enleth: it might be some sort of an internal model that wasn't ever supposed to leave the Bridgepot factory
12:52 PM enleth: but survived the buyout in some old employee's garage
12:52 PM enleth: they had a couple of weird internal designs that used normal M or J heads
01:07 PM andy1: So we went ahead and ordered the MESA cards for the robot bartender, and also a spare for our CNC router. Goodbye Mach3 and Smoothstepper!
01:14 PM fragalot_ is now known as fragalot
01:14 PM fragalot: miss0r: :)
01:15 PM miss0r: fragalot: He wasn't in today, my water jet guy. So i'll try him again tomorrow
01:15 PM miss0r: (this cast iron plate is actualy in my way)
01:16 PM fragalot: i'm glad to help you get rid of it
01:16 PM miss0r: Hehe, I wouldn't even have brought it home, had it not been for you ;)
01:16 PM miss0r: well.. perhaps I would have :D
01:17 PM miss0r: I'm not one for just leaving a stray cast iron plate to its fate.. I HAVE A HEART, YOU KNOW! :)
01:23 PM CaptHindsight: Sandvik Coromant is looking for an app engineer for cutting tools
01:23 PM gloops: well cut first shape with router earlier, a small circle, cut fine, no sign of backlash or anything, but that is all for now, lol
01:23 PM gloops: my aunt used to work for sandvik
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: I imagine the job includes persuading the customer to use as many Sandvik tools as possible
01:25 PM gloops: the job includes collecting copious amounts of tools and blades, literally thousands of hacksaw blades
01:26 PM AndyBaker_: [Andy Baker, two bit circus] Do you have to move to Sweden?
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: oh so is Fanuc
01:31 PM gloops: not qualified + dont want a job
01:38 PM fragalot: miss0r: well,.. I /WAS/ done with the drawing, until the laptop shut down because I forgot to plug it in
01:38 PM miss0r: nice haha
01:39 PM miss0r: I'm working on the aluminium webbing for this machine enclosure
01:39 PM miss0r: I mad a small mishab earlier: https://imgur.com/a/FVQFQ
01:40 PM miss0r: I still have no idea exactly what went wrong. Working theory is that it became dull and deteriorated fast'n broke
01:41 PM fragalot: or the alu welded to the cutter
01:41 PM AndyBaker_: [Andy Baker, two bit circus] Looks like the gullets got loaded up
01:41 PM AndyBaker_: [Andy Baker, two bit circus] look at the bottom of the cut. Welded up there. what was your coolant situation?
01:42 PM miss0r: Something like that. I'm running floodcoolant
01:42 PM miss0r: Everything was well cooled at the point of faliure
01:42 PM AndyBaker_: [Andy Baker, two bit circus] Was the concentration of oil thinning out?.
01:43 PM renz: why does your client do that
01:43 PM miss0r: I wouldn't think so, I changed it out 2 weeks ago or something like that
01:43 PM miss0r: Haven't added water since
01:44 PM miss0r: I swapped out the endmill after cleaning the remaining carbide from the cut, and completed the job without any more issues
01:45 PM AndyBaker_: [Andy Baker, two bit circus] We have to add water almost every other day, but it's crazy dry in los angeles. Refractometer to the rescue.
01:45 PM miss0r: Another thing that is bugging me, That particular endmill had close to no cutting time on it prior to faliure
01:46 PM miss0r: And it was a good quality sutton tool, 6mm 4-flute w/0.3mm radius
01:46 PM AndyBaker_: [Andy Baker, two bit circus] also, sorry for the annoying client, let me see if I can fix it.
01:49 PM AndyBaker_: [Andy Baker] I might just need to ditch this thing
01:50 PM miss0r: :]
01:52 PM gloops: 800mm/min its got to be too fast/too much cut miss0r for 1mm endmill
01:53 PM fragalot: miss0r: sheet 7: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzOi3hLIA_dSNFRadUFRSHZyUWdoTFZlX1FTRkRpWlZuYWdj
01:53 PM miss0r: gloops: Sure.. but this is a 6mm endmill
01:53 PM fragalot: miss0r: the weird spacing is because that worked out nicely, and the actual spacing isn't that important :P
01:53 PM miss0r: mleh... I have weird spacing
01:54 PM gloops: oh i thouh you were using 1mm
01:54 PM miss0r: fragalot: It seems to be lacking some details on the size of the drain channel ?
01:55 PM miss0r: and/or drain location + size
01:55 PM fragalot: miss0r: view B
01:55 PM miss0r: yeah, okay
01:55 PM miss0r: :)
01:55 PM fragalot: ^_^
01:56 PM miss0r: I don't have 10mm ball endmills. I can do'ya with a 1mm radius on the corners
01:56 PM fragalot: that's fine
01:56 PM miss0r: H8 ? are you nuts? :]
01:56 PM fragalot: I'm going to leave the drawing as-is though because it looks nicer.
01:57 PM fragalot: miss0r: I have a feeling H7 may be more likely to get the pins to jam in there :P
01:57 PM miss0r: isn't that a bit on the loose site ?
01:58 PM miss0r: for allignment pins
01:58 PM fragalot: that depends on what side of the tolerance you aim for
01:59 PM gregcnc_: lotsa holes
01:59 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: I did warn miss0r.
01:59 PM fragalot: gave him a chance to say no
01:59 PM fragalot: :P
01:59 PM miss0r: I was thinking 'square holes' or that particular shape an unevenly ground drill leaves without a pilot hole :D
02:00 PM miss0r: But he knows I'm too nice to do so
02:00 PM fragalot: the rounded triangles?
02:00 PM miss0r: yeah
02:00 PM fragalot: diamond pins :P
02:00 PM fragalot: https://us.misumi-ec.com/maker/misumi/mech/tech/locatingpinshowtheyareused/images/2.jpg
02:01 PM * miss0r feels like loctiting some pins in there for your pleasure only :P
02:01 PM fragalot: oi, my press can't pull :P
02:02 PM miss0r: preferably some shanks from old 10mm carbide endmills :D
02:02 PM * fragalot googles "how to etch carbide out of cast iron plate chemically"
02:03 PM miss0r: lol
02:03 PM miss0r: I think it'll leave a stain
02:04 PM fragalot: you just want me to make an EDM don't you >.>
02:04 PM fragalot: I guess I could just put a diamond bit in & whittle away ta the pin instead
02:04 PM miss0r: no.. I wouldn't be cruel like that. But I would charge you for using my own to remove them ;)
02:04 PM Rab: I looked into etching carbide for engraving and gave up. It might take something terrible like hydrofluoric acid.
02:05 PM miss0r: Rab: either way, its a grim prospect for the cast iron
02:05 PM Rab: I experimented with ferric chloride and some other stuff, but the carbide just laughed.
02:05 PM Rab: miss0r, indeed.
02:05 PM fragalot: Rab: AvE has done a video on removing carbide from alu with basic stuff you get at the grocery store
02:06 PM gregcnc_: carbide?
02:06 PM Rab: fragalot, interesting, I'll have to take a look.
02:07 PM miss0r: yeah, from alu... But I think carbide shares more charecteristics with cast iron than alu
02:08 PM fragalot: miss0r: well.. There's always the plasma cutter?
02:09 PM miss0r: fragalot: I can't even find a single flaw with that idea :D
02:11 PM fragalot: I just found a video of someone EDM-ing using a.. well.. bridgeport.
02:12 PM gregcnc_: everyone knows about steel tap vs alum, but carbide tap?
02:19 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: it's easy, actually
02:19 PM fragalot: you center up on the hole, and use an annular cutter
02:19 PM fragalot: cut around the carbide, and make another alu plug to fill the hole you just made
02:19 PM gregcnc_: then throw the part away?
02:20 PM miss0r: hehe
02:21 PM Beachbumpete1: enleth sorry man I am working now and I got sidetracked from our conversation. Sounds like you stole that machine with all the accessory items. I will definitely contact you if we go that route. right now we have some deep gulps to take with the CNC router, the CNC machining center, and the 6 axis
02:21 PM Beachbumpete1: feed thru moulder machine let alone the SLA 3d Printer we are buying
02:21 PM fragalot: https://imgur.com/gallery/S8eGc
02:21 PM fragalot: this made me laugh more than i'd like to admit
02:23 PM gregcnc_: that was me with CAM yesterday and this morning
02:29 PM gloops: a bit more progress with meshes, my main goal in all of this is to pwn that yuri bloke who posts the pics of the wood lions and stuff
02:30 PM gloops: i cant be doing with his smug arrogance, he will get his come uppance
02:32 PM gloops: his lions will bow down to my lion
02:33 PM rmu: EDM it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUN4_-xp1Wc
02:34 PM Beachbumpete1: hehe
02:34 PM Beachbumpete1: kick his azz man
03:11 PM gloops: hmm freecad has evolved a bit, looks like part analysis available
03:11 PM gloops: https://www.facebook.com/FreeCAD/videos/2055380391157659/
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: ordered some USB --> RS422 adapters on ebay, they show up with $2.50 postage due, explains the low price
03:42 PM gloops: you can refuse to take them
03:44 PM gloops: when the EU referendum campaigning was on, they got something going to post UKIP a wallbrick, using their freepost address - they got charged for the extra weight for every brick
03:50 PM Tom_L: just another brick in the wall
03:52 PM gloops: they lost quite a bit of money before they changed the terms heh, they did win in the end though
03:53 PM CaptHindsight: it's a scam on low priced items
03:53 PM Tom_L: how's things across the pond?
03:54 PM CaptHindsight: they price it low with shipping and then use first class flat rate vs parcel
03:54 PM CaptHindsight: I can go through Paypal and get my $2.50 back
03:54 PM Deejay: gn8
03:54 PM CaptHindsight: but I'm happy that it got here in 2 days vs 4
03:55 PM Tom_L: i had a shipper try to double charge shipping a barrel once. the company paid shipping then they tried to collect $300 from me to pick it up at their dock
03:55 PM gloops: its very wet accross the pond
03:55 PM Tom_L: i got the barrel with no additional charges needless to say...
03:56 PM Tom_L: capn, what you doin with the usb -> RS422?
03:57 PM gloops: ive bought a few very cheap things, cutters and stuff, £0.01 auction, nominal post, never expected anything but they all arrive, eventually
03:57 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: actually 485, using them to control VFD's over serial
03:57 PM JT-Shop: dang I have to pay taxes for once :)
03:57 PM gloops: you can search for last hour, $1 max bid etc
03:58 PM Tom_L: happy day for the tax man
03:58 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NF8EFoPlrk Remotely controlling the Huanyang VFD with LinuxCNC over RS485 Modbus
03:58 PM JT-Shop: happy day for me I turned a profit last year
03:58 PM Tom_L: isn't that why we go to work?
03:58 PM Tom_L: sometimes i wonder...
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: scam https://www.ebay.com/itm/CH340-USB-to-RS485-485-Converter-Adapter-Module-For-Win7-Linux-XP-Vista-N165/302501552028
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: FAST 'N FREE + $2.50 :)
04:12 PM _abc_: CH340 clone is more likely
04:13 PM CaptHindsight: sure
04:13 PM CaptHindsight: as long as they work
04:13 PM CaptHindsight: FTDI or clone
04:14 PM _abc_: Linux does not have a problem usually with clone type CH340*
04:14 PM CaptHindsight: First class mail has gotten better, LA to Chicago in 2 days
04:15 PM _abc_: CaptHindsight: is that because Trump rapped Amazon for using USPS?
04:15 PM CaptHindsight: used to be 4
04:15 PM _abc_: Looking at it from Europe, I think something could be done about large business piggybacking on a subsidized public service. The least would be to charge them the un-subsidized price.
04:16 PM _abc_: The USPS is 100% financed by taxes afaik. Postage taxes being a part of it. Correct?
04:16 PM miss0r: last machining operation of the night, and I miscalculated by 50 mm :D I think I'll have one last smoke, and head on to bed
04:17 PM * miss0r slaps fragalot with a cast iron plate
04:17 PM miss0r: What are you still doing up?
04:18 PM _abc_: miss0r: 50mm into the fixture or 50mm into air?
04:19 PM fragalot: miss0r: was looking at tents to take to iceland :P
04:19 PM miss0r: hehe, I my drawing was 50mm too long.. So nothing damaged, just wasted work
04:19 PM fragalot: current tent is a bit too bulky & heavy to take on the plane
04:20 PM CaptHindsight: lighter than an igloo
04:20 PM miss0r: fragalot: You should spend more money on machine tools & less on traveling.. OR is that a nessesary evil to have the misses allow you a small machine tool budget?
04:20 PM _abc_: http://fortune.com/2015/03/27/us-postal-service/
04:21 PM miss0r: I'll call it a night. See you guys around ;)
04:22 PM CaptHindsight: _abc_: they have been trying to break the postal service for years, some want to privatize it like in the UK
04:22 PM Tom_L: pcw_home what config might have a DPLL example in the top array?
04:22 PM CaptHindsight: so it can be as bad as Parcel Farce
04:22 PM _abc_: I know. I don't know if it's a good thing or not. The Germans did it right, DHL is thriving.
04:23 PM CaptHindsight: _abc_: they did poorly in the USA
04:24 PM _abc_: I would like to know what the real noise between Trump and Amazon on USPS is.
04:24 PM _abc_: Some day we'll read about it somewhere.
04:24 PM gloops: usa has nationalised mail?
04:24 PM _abc_: gloops: yes, dear.
04:24 PM gloops: hmm
04:25 PM gloops: im not sure about mail, i am actually pro nationalisation for some things, but mail is a funny one
04:26 PM gloops: the old royal mail was not up to the payload of modern courier services
04:26 PM gloops: it was mainly about letters, which are becoming obsolete
04:27 PM CaptHindsight: have had issues with Parcel Farce, had packages returned and had to reship with UPS or similar
04:28 PM CaptHindsight: they can't find the address's
04:29 PM CaptHindsight: use the same address with UPS and it gets there in 3 days no problem
04:30 PM gloops: rarely use parcelforce, relatively expensive
04:30 PM CaptHindsight: do they not hire drivers that can read or comprehend how number on buildings work?
04:30 PM _abc_: What is Parcel Farce?
04:31 PM gloops: they hire anyone whos prepared to do the job, on our roads, start van up at 6 am, turn it off at 6pm
04:31 PM _abc_: CaptHindsight: ohh you have numbers on buildings? What if the enemy comes? ;)
04:31 PM AndyBaker_: [Andy Baker] In general, the US post office kicks butt, although the tracking isn't quite as up to the minute as other carriers. I've never had a problem
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: had one where the address was the street since the company was the whole 1/4 mile long street with the name of the street named after the company
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: could not find it :)
04:32 PM _abc_: "1 Microsoft Way"?
04:32 PM _abc_: That's their real address
04:32 PM _abc_: What do you call Parcel Farce?
04:32 PM _abc_: UK Mail Parcel Service?
04:32 PM CaptHindsight: Parcel Force
04:32 PM _abc_: Where are these?
04:32 PM _abc_: *guys
04:33 PM gloops: i think the typical day is 80 drops for these courier drivers
04:33 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.parcelforce.com/
04:33 PM gloops: that is a lot of drop
04:33 PM _abc_: gloops: We see small courier firms drop parcels from 7:30AM to 10PM
04:33 PM _abc_: In Eastern Europe
04:33 PM _abc_: Money talks
04:34 PM gloops: must be a long day
04:34 PM _abc_: Also things like call the courier's personal phone and catch him in a traffic jam (usual), pick up parcel, leave another.
04:34 PM gloops: parcel force is privatised royal mail parcel service
04:34 PM _abc_: This means literally in the middle of the city on a curb
04:35 PM _abc_: There are about 6 competing relatively small national/local couriers plus an untold number of semi legal courier services.
04:36 PM _abc_: "dad has a van"
04:36 PM gloops: owner drivers
04:36 PM _abc_: Ok, time to go to sleep a bit here
04:36 PM gloops: they take a lad with them and drop 200 a day, £1 a parcel
04:36 PM gloops: goodnight
04:37 PM _abc_: Driver turnover is as bad as one could expect for such hard work.
04:37 PM _abc_: Anyway, n8
04:39 PM gloops: well, theyre all out there working their nuts off, so we can get the bits we need to play with
04:40 PM CaptHindsight: what is the term used now for non-artificial types of intelligence?
04:40 PM gloops: ape?
04:42 PM Tom_L: alien
04:43 PM Loetmichel: gloops: i think its funny. we have DHL here in germany as the "quasi state" parcel service (ex BUndespost, privatizend a few decades ago), and then all the usual commercial carriers like fedex, ups, gps and hermes... the only one that always has a smile (and always is the same guy) is the DHL guy. all the other ones are looing grumpy and in a hurry and speak german with a very thic accent if
04:43 PM Loetmichel: at all usually. And they change every second delivery.
04:45 PM CaptHindsight: the grumpy one here is fedex
04:46 PM CaptHindsight: USPS even knocks on the door at times to save us a trip out to the box and I can call if they missed us and they drive right over
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: I even been given their cell numbers to find them on the route
04:48 PM CaptHindsight: the supervisors can locate them to within 50ft
04:50 PM ves: my substitute mail carriers are grumps except for one guy and my usual lady
04:51 PM ves: for UPS I'm on a training route, he always has a new kid with him
04:51 PM Tom_L: at least it's not just the new kid
04:53 PM gloops: well i only go to parcel force if hermes wont take the parcel, usually size
04:53 PM gloops: hermes you just take parcel to local newsagent
05:03 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop do you have directions for installing RTAI on Debian 9 like those for Preempt-rt?
05:03 PM Tom_L: or will that even work
05:08 PM CaptHindsight: what kernel version?
05:08 PM CaptHindsight: 4.9LTS?
05:10 PM Tom_L: i have no idea
05:10 PM Tom_L: i'm no linux guru
05:10 PM Tom_L: just pickin up enough to get by :)
05:11 PM Tom_L: more than anything i'd like to change the gui to something else on the mill pc since it defaults to xfce or whatever it is
05:11 PM Tom_L: and the full install lets you choose
05:16 PM pcw_mesa: "Tom_L pcw_home what config might have a DPLL example in the top array?"
05:16 PM pcw_mesa: almost any config that ends in D, also all 51 pin configs
05:21 PM Tom_L: i found one
05:21 PM Tom_L: i presume it should be the first function in the list
05:21 PM Tom_L: and the syntax is the same for them all
05:21 PM Tom_L: at least the couple i looked at
05:22 PM pcw_mesa: I think the driver is smart enough access it first but I always put it first just in case
05:22 PM Tom_L: i should be able to take the 7i47s one i have for the mill and add that to the top removing a nulltag and be done i think
05:22 PM Tom_L: it's from a 7i90
05:23 PM Tom_L: same pin configuration
05:23 PM Tom_L: and get the 7i80hd xise
05:24 PM pcw_mesa: Yeah I usually block-overwrite the whole active module ID section up or down to do this
05:24 PM Tom_L: i assume it's the seveni80hd.xise
05:24 PM pcw_mesa: select copy select write
05:25 PM pcw_mesa: yes seveni80hd
05:25 PM Tom_L: and change a few names to protect the innocent
05:25 PM pcw_mesa: that way I dont mess up the number of lines
05:26 PM Tom_L: in the first array?
05:26 PM pcw_mesa: yes Module ID is 32 lines
05:26 PM Tom_L: right
05:27 PM Tom_L: i'll just add it above the watchdogtag and remove a nulltag
05:27 PM pcw_mesa: might be nice if the driver could accept lines with 0 as the instance number (so you just change the numbers)
05:27 PM Tom_L: should still work on the 7i90 as well right?
05:27 PM pcw_mesa: yes
05:27 PM Tom_L: ok
05:28 PM Tom_L: sounds easy enough
05:29 PM pcw_mesa: theoretically the DPLL causes no changes in behavior so its harmless in existing configs (other than using space)
05:29 PM Tom_L: i'll try one after dinner
05:29 PM pcw_mesa: you have to enable it in the hal file for it to actually affect timing
05:30 PM Tom_L: do i need to do that for the ethernet card?
05:30 PM Tom_L: in the hal line
05:30 PM Tom_L: haven't read that far yet
05:41 PM pcw_mesa: You dont _need_ it but it improves step generation and encoder feedback if you have significant jitter
05:43 PM pcw_mesa: only place its actually needed currently is for absolute encoders (BISS, SSI, Fanuc)
05:44 PM pcw_mesa: because reading those takes time so the read cycle is pre-triggered before linuxCNC reads the returned data
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07:49 PM Tom_shop: pcw_mesa, any ideas?
07:49 PM Tom_shop: hostmot2.vhd Line 3094: Formal port/generic <loadmpg> is not declared in <inmuxm>
07:49 PM Tom_shop: Line 3078: Formal <muxdata> has no actual or default value.
07:49 PM Tom_L: using the files from the 7i80 zip
07:49 PM Tom_L: and my modified config as well as the original
07:49 PM Tom_L: get the error on either one
08:05 PM Tom_L: trying in windows..
08:17 PM Tom_L: same errors in windows using the seveni80hd.xise
08:18 PM Tom_L: but will synthesize with the seveni90.xise
08:35 PM BeachBumPete: evening folks
08:37 PM Tom_L: what's up?
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: meh not much just finished machining yet another rail and now sitting here watching Star Trek working on another prototype model in Fusion
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: you?
08:39 PM Tom_shop: working on xilinx
08:39 PM BeachBumPete: fpga?
08:40 PM Tom_shop: yeah
08:41 PM BeachBumPete: I picked up another guitar at a yard sale... I think I have a problem here ;)
08:44 PM Tom_L: pcw_mesa, also using the seveni90.xise i get an error on the linux box:
08:44 PM Tom_shop: Line 197: Cannot find <resrom> in library <work>. Please ensure that the library was compiled, and that a library and a use clause are present in the VHDL file.
08:47 PM Tom_L: but it _is_ listed under the TopEppsHostmot2.vhd
08:48 PM Tom_L: trying to add the resroms.vhd to the libraries says it's already there
08:54 PM Tom_L: odd i don't get those errors in windows
10:00 PM Tom_L: pcw_mesa, i get the same errors running the seveni92.xise with a 7i76 card
10:00 PM Tom_L: (just wanted to see)
10:34 PM pcw_home: Tom_L: comment out line 3094 in hostmot2.vhd
10:39 PM pcw_home: I cannot duplicate your resroms error
10:42 PM pcw_home: might try removing resroms.vhd and adding resrom.vhd (resroms.vhd is obsolete)
10:47 PM Tom_L: lemme fire it up..
10:50 PM Tom_L: resrom is loaded
10:52 PM Tom_L: so far so good
10:53 PM pcw_home: the line 3094 error probably means I don't have the latest inmuxm in the zip
10:54 PM Tom_L: ok it finished ok
10:54 PM Tom_L: so that may be it
10:55 PM Tom_L: this one has 233 lines
10:55 PM pink_vampire|2: I took the chuck off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:56 PM Tom_L: pcw_home, i think ves is gonna try building bitfiles soon too so he may have the same issue. not sure what cards he has
10:57 PM pink_vampire|2 is now known as pink_vampire
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: yikes, found 2 systems i had never assembled that I had not assembled until now that have poor jitter
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: and also redundant
11:12 PM pink_vampire: Imgur is over capacity! ???
11:13 PM SpeedEvil: Indeed.
11:14 PM pink_vampire: i need my own server
11:14 PM Tom_L: it's handy
11:16 PM pink_vampire: anyway 1/2 dewalt impact wrench and strap wrench did the trick to remove a chuck that even hang on it didn't make it move.
11:18 PM Tom_L: pics or it never happend :=)
11:19 PM pink_vampire: imgur is down
11:20 PM Tom_L: pcw_home, it generated on linux as well as windows with the line commented out
11:20 PM pink_vampire: do you have whatsapp?
11:21 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/k2YvaxL.jpg
11:22 PM pink_vampire: SpeedEvil: Tom_L
11:25 PM Tom_L: probably hadn't been off in a while
11:26 PM pink_vampire: i know it was not working for few years
11:29 PM renz: omg w/ the strap wrench
11:30 PM renz: pv not fucking around
11:41 PM pink_vampire: i love the strap wrench
11:41 PM pink_vampire: the whole idea was to let the shaft slip a bit in the strap wrench so the impact will be able to turn and hummer on it
11:42 PM renz: yeah when i am away from home, i think this is the tool i miss most often
11:42 PM renz: bike shops needs a strap wrench
11:43 PM renz: *bike shop
11:44 PM renz: I've had the screws stip out on the pivot on one, but lowes gave me a new one free, shrug
11:45 PM pink_vampire: i wish it was one that work in both directions