#linuxcnc Logs

Apr 05 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:39 AM IchGucksLive: hi all from cold rainy germany
12:42 AM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight, still online
12:42 AM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight, the haidenhain glass scales are well documented and follow a standard
12:42 AM IchGucksLive: so pinout shoudt not be a problem
12:42 AM IchGucksLive: the only thing is the cable are twisted towards controll
12:49 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
01:58 AM Deejay: moin
01:59 AM miss0r2: o/
02:53 AM Holzjunkie1: Gunten morgen allerseits,
02:56 AM gloops: any progress Holzjunkiel
03:12 AM gloops: i should finally get round to skimming my table off today
05:17 AM jthornton: morning
05:17 AM XXCoder: yo
05:17 AM XXCoder: the bedroom is nice and apparently blue.
05:18 AM jthornton: cool
05:19 AM XXCoder: yeah they didnt tell me color so it was a surpise lol
05:19 AM XXCoder: apparently front yard now have nice spray painted circled X
05:19 AM XXCoder: wild guess is that thye finally located the breakage at sewer pipe
05:26 AM gloops: at least it isnt under the house XXCoder, not a big thing to get that up
05:26 AM XXCoder: guess so
05:27 AM XXCoder: I hope they replace whole ancient cast iron pipe
05:27 AM jthornton: is the city doing the work?
05:28 AM gloops: the old ones here are mostly clay, replace with plastic as an when the opportunity arises
05:28 AM XXCoder: jt nah the sewer is nice and properly concerete
05:29 AM XXCoder: (city side not house)
05:33 AM jthornton: long time ago I had to fix my sewer pipe in Pascagoula MS it was terracotta pipe and tree roots had filled them up by the time I got to the city connection I was 6' down
05:33 AM XXCoder: dang
05:33 AM XXCoder: you live in fairly dry envorment right?
05:33 AM XXCoder: depending on season
05:34 AM jthornton: no, it's pretty humid here a lot
05:34 AM XXCoder: interesting. well I guess its just nice source of crap to grab nurents off
05:34 AM gloops: i knew someone who bought a big house, pretty run down, but they were both handy, they noticed the downstairs toilet water had been cut off, didnt think anything about would connect it up later, after doing quite a bit of work in the kitchen they finally connected toilet up - then realised why it had been cut off
05:35 AM gloops: the toilet pipe was bust under the kitchen floor lol
05:35 AM jthornton: down in Pascagoula the ground was mostly sand so easy digging
05:35 AM XXCoder: doh
05:35 AM jthornton: hmm we didn't get the 29°F they said we would
05:35 AM XXCoder: gloops: I remember one house in restore show
05:36 AM gloops: when i went again there was about 6 tonne of rubble outside - had to dig all floors up
05:36 AM XXCoder: there was ugly covering above kitchen sink it had some mold and water damage and slowly leaking water
05:36 AM XXCoder: they removed covering and... found out it was leaking sewer line from upstairs
05:36 AM XXCoder: bon appetit.
05:37 AM gloops: nice place to have a drip lol
05:38 AM XXCoder: yeah
08:47 AM holzjunkie: moin
08:58 AM holzjunkie1 is now known as holzjunkie
09:19 AM holzjunkie1: tach auch
09:48 AM nubcake is now known as nubcake_
09:48 AM nubcake_ is now known as nubcake
09:56 AM mtpocketscnc: does anyone happen to know if I can use a raspberry pi and it's touchscreen to interface with my linuxcnc machine. as far as I can tell I don't think I can use the touchscreen directly with my linuxcnc machine. so I am wondering if i can slave the pi and its touchscreen and still be fast enough.
09:56 AM mtpocketscnc: I know of ssh -X and vnc but of course to slow
09:56 AM sliptonic: andypugh: is there any user documentation for the lathe macros? I'm about to put a small cnc lathe in our hackerspace and wanted docs available. I can write something up but would rather not reinvent wheels.
10:03 AM holzjunkie1: mtpocketscnc: if i´m right raspi is not supported touchscreen is possible ther is an gui called touchy is thing
10:07 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:12 AM Sabotend_ is now known as Sabotender
10:14 AM mtpocketscnc: i do just want to be able to have jogging capability on touch screen. don't care about much else. not sure how to or if there is a way fast enough to interface the two computers. is it possible and fast enough to interface the two directly with ethernet switch. I'm happy to go reading. just want to know if there is an option fast enough
10:15 AM JT-Shop: mtpocketscnc: I think you have to use machinekit with a RPi
10:16 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
10:16 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, still online
10:16 AM holzjunkie1: IchGucksLive: hy
10:16 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
10:18 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, why the raspberry you can have a wirerless full contol or also a arduino full interfaced on your lcnc maschine
10:18 AM IchGucksLive: holzjunkie1, was macht die kunst
10:18 AM mtpocketscnc: i'm not sure if i'm explaing right. i have linuxcnc running my machine on regular desktop. just wondering if i can connect the two computers and the raspberry would be more or less a jogging control only
10:18 AM IchGucksLive: holzjunkie1, communikation ok
10:19 AM holzjunkie1: IchGucksLive: es wird zwei netzwerk karte eingesetzt
10:19 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, i understand but this is a hard way while trhere are better things to use
10:19 AM holzjunkie1: nun werd ich mal sehen das ich evtl heut noch in die Maschine schau um markus zu sagen was genau alles verbaut ist
10:20 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, like this one https://www.ebay.de/itm/New-HB04-Wired-USB-Handwheel-MPG-Pendant-for-Mach3-CNC-3-4-Axis-router-machine/253312826983
10:21 AM holzjunkie1: IchGucksLive: ich muß nur heute mal etwas aufräumen und putzen sonst bekomme ich glaube ich noch eine abnahmung von der regierung
10:21 AM IchGucksLive: 2karten ist natrlicxh sahne
10:22 AM holzjunkie: IchGucksLive: ja sonst hast du ja immer nor inet oder mesa
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, a arduino with a HC05 BT will laso be a real good jog control
10:25 AM mtpocketscnc: i didn't want to buy anything lol, but I presume you are right. I will just waste time and money trying to do with raspberry. thankyou for the information.
10:28 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, i control the plasmas fully with the xhc-hb04
10:28 AM IchGucksLive: a large wall monitor gives me the feedback
10:28 AM IchGucksLive: so the control pc is out of the MAGNETIC interferences from the mashine
10:31 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, if you like to go VERYlowcost use a X-boxcontroller
10:32 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4q0wAsVSM
10:33 AM mtpocketscnc: just went and checked it out. I think I will take your advice on the xhc-hb04. especially like that it's wireless
10:33 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox0s1rFGAH8
10:34 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, the wirerless xbox is 10USD
10:34 AM IchGucksLive: it has 12 control buttons and 8 controll pads
10:35 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, there is more info and video analytics on my YT channel
10:37 AM mtpocketscnc: magic cnc mashine? your channel?
10:37 AM IchGucksLive: yes
10:37 AM IchGucksLive: magig
10:37 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ/videos
10:39 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, if you like to use your handy it is a BT option on the Arduino
10:39 AM IchGucksLive: Smartphone CNC
10:41 AM mtpocketscnc: https://youtu.be/Km3kIVpDLmc I should have been looking at yoy're channel for a long time now. I need to watch this one in earnest too
10:42 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc, there is a english version
10:42 AM IchGucksLive: oder bist du deutsch mtpocketscnc
10:44 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off till later
10:45 AM mtpocketscnc: yeah have to look for english one. nap time for my little one soon and will have to do some video watching
11:10 AM fragalot: Hi.
11:11 AM Connor2 is now known as connor
11:11 AM connor is now known as Connor
11:12 AM Connor: Dang people trying to steal my Handle...
11:12 AM pink_vampire|2: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Grand-Teterboro-Keyless-Chuck-Model-NR-706-1-0-1-4-Machinist-Tool-Germany-/152074701074
11:12 AM fragalot: :P
11:13 AM pink_vampire|2: how is that brand?
11:13 AM fragalot: pink_vampire|2: I would not buy a 2nd hand chuck without a close-up shot of the jaws
11:13 AM pink_vampire|2: i know
11:16 AM pink_vampire|2: what arbor is that?
11:16 AM pink_vampire|2: i mean the taper in the chuck
11:18 AM fragalot: can't tell from the pictures, probably B16
11:19 AM fragalot: could be B12 too though
11:21 AM pink_vampire|2: b16 is too large
11:34 AM rmu_: mtpocketscnc: raspberry pi is indeed possible
11:34 AM rmu_: mtpocketscnc: touchscreen also does work
11:35 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:36 AM rmu_: mtpocketscnc: what is not possible is generating steps with any meaningful steprate IME, you would need something like a 7i90 or an arduino or something like that, connected via SPI, and doing the step generation
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: hi sliptonic
11:37 AM rmu_: hi
11:40 AM IchGucksLive: Isleape, hi ich sitze in pirmasens
12:09 PM holzjunkie1: da war ich mal und hab nen Modellflieger ausgeliefert
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: ich baue schiffsmodelle
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: im off GN( from germany
01:01 PM Beachbumpete1_: hey guys
01:01 PM Beachbumpete1_: whatsgoinon in LinuxCNC land today :)
01:01 PM Tom_itx: stuffin my face atm
01:02 PM Beachbumpete1_: oh yeah anything good?
01:02 PM Tom_itx: not today
01:02 PM Beachbumpete1_: damn
01:02 PM Beachbumpete1_: we are looking at commercial CNC router tooling now. Interesting stuff
01:02 PM Tom_itx: should get a couple parts in the next couple days
01:03 PM Tom_itx: one is the spindle power meter
01:03 PM Beachbumpete1_: not exactly cheap either
01:03 PM Beachbumpete1_: did you swap out that spindle ?
01:03 PM Tom_itx: no
01:03 PM Tom_itx: i'll use it for a while
01:03 PM Beachbumpete1_: its working well as it is then I guess
01:05 PM Tom_itx: hah they both just showed up as we speak
01:05 PM andypugh: sliptonic: No, no docs. I though that they were 100% self explanatory, until a guy on the forum simply couldn’t figure out what the numbers meant :-/
01:05 PM Beachbumpete1_: nice
01:07 PM Tom_itx: https://tinyurl.com/y8rk846e
01:07 PM Tom_itx: was one of them
01:07 PM sliptonic: andypugh: I think the images are easy enough. The first time I did threading I was surpised by the behavior. (It does a pass at nominal diameter before starting the threading cycle.) Makes sense but not obvious.
01:08 PM andypugh: The cycles themselves are just G-code, so easy to modify.
01:08 PM andypugh: (It doesn’t do the nominal dia pass with internal threads)
01:10 PM sliptonic: Good point. That's the stuff that needs documenting. Do you have a git repo for the macros yet? If so I'll send a PR if I get some docs together
01:19 PM miss0r2: damnit. It seems I missed fragalot again :]
01:26 PM andypugh: No, I didn’t bother putting the macros on my github. The only public place that they are available is the forum.
01:27 PM andypugh: (They were something that I did for my own use and decided to share)
01:49 PM Blumax: Hello, sory for my english
01:50 PM Blumax: I générat my gcode witch Inventor HSM, if i look in CAMotics, i have rectangle, screenshot : https://flic.kr/p/HHZ7Pm
01:51 PM Blumax: But if cut this witch linuxcnc, i have this result : https://flic.kr/p/24LKP9L
01:53 PM cradek: put the gcode on pastebin so we can see it
01:53 PM Blumax: https://pastebin.com/wmYDkCUB
01:55 PM andypugh: It looks like your machine is configured with low acceleration relative to the speed.
01:56 PM andypugh: You can force the machine to make sharper corners, but machining time will increase: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/user/user-concepts.html#_trajectory_control
01:57 PM cradek: I agree with andypugh after looking at your gcode in the linuxcnc simulator (I suspected a difference in cutter comp entry, but your gcode is not using it)
01:58 PM Blumax: Maximum Velocity : 110
01:58 PM andypugh: I can not see that document in the French docs: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/index_fr.html
01:58 PM Blumax: Maximul Acceleration 500
01:59 PM gloops: are those holes coming from the code ir were they in the scrap wood?
02:00 PM andypugh: Try setting a smaller G64 tolerance
02:00 PM pcw_mesa: In mm and wood maybe G64 P0.1 Q.05
02:01 PM Blumax: gloops, I do not understand the question.
02:02 PM gloops: the holes in the wood outside the rectangle
02:04 PM Blumax: G61 will do exactly the generated G Code? It's for an individual use, I do not manufacture anything in the urgency :)
02:04 PM cradek: yes
02:05 PM Blumax: Is it possible to define that in the ini file?
02:05 PM cradek: better to put it in your gcode
02:07 PM Blumax: Ok, tank you, you save me :) I'm not going to have a lot of hole to file :)
02:09 PM gregcnc_: This looks nice. Linuxcnc 5 axis https://youtu.be/kdBuikhMzFQ
02:15 PM gloops: ok, we are all going to have to make 5 axis machines
02:16 PM gloops: your cnc phd only comes when you contribute to the discipline, design and build new mode of 5 axis
02:19 PM gloops: what the linuxcnc developers should do is create an annual award for the most promising new cnc design/concept/build
02:20 PM gregcnc_: I think it's all be done before
02:20 PM gloops: i think thats been said before
02:20 PM gregcnc_: innovation today is in cost/accuracy/speed
02:21 PM gloops: there are many other avenues, like maybe diyability
02:21 PM gloops: a diyable 5 axis
02:21 PM MrHindsight: categories: Best CNC Pun, Most Obfuscated G-code, Best Crash.
02:22 PM gregcnc_: how is that different that what has been designed for industry?
02:22 PM gloops: the diyer doesnt have a cnc lathe and mill to build his cnc
02:22 PM gregcnc_: why not?
02:23 PM gloops: because those arent typical diy tools
02:23 PM gregcnc_: if a crude machine is acceptable
02:23 PM MrHindsight: one can also order all the parts and just assemble and align
02:23 PM gloops: and if you already have a cnc mill, why would you be trying to make one
02:23 PM gregcnc_: , but you ar far better off srounging components
02:24 PM gregcnc_: for the same reason they use CNC to build more CNC?
02:24 PM MrHindsight: most precise 5-axis machine build with only axe and stone
02:25 PM gregcnc_: mayb we can get the primitive youtube guy to do it?
02:25 PM gloops: a 5 axis that requires only common power tools and hand tools to construct
02:26 PM gloops: it can be done
02:26 PM MrHindsight: contest are no fun, they are too competitive
02:26 PM MrHindsight: best cooperative build
02:26 PM gloops: well, i suppose in the spirit of art, there is nobody else fit to judge someone elses concept
02:27 PM MrHindsight: best impressionist version 5-axis machining center
02:28 PM gloops: yeah but a machine by definition has a purpose
02:28 PM gregcnc_: most DIY machine purpose is to use up your spare time
02:29 PM gloops: it should fulfil it own definition - 5 axis mill
02:29 PM MrHindsight: probably based on spare income/budget and time
02:29 PM gloops: not diy then, amateur self build
02:29 PM gregcnc_: and by mill we mean <3um tolerance in 45HRC steel
02:32 PM MrHindsight: Most lines of code accepted to master in a 12 month period
02:33 PM gregcnc_: wow that's a lot of work
02:35 PM gloops: i mean like the Gingery school of machine making
02:37 PM gloops: the thing is, a lot of this is about professional elitism
02:37 PM gregcnc_: what good is a machine if it doesn't do what you need?
02:38 PM gloops: ive come accross it myself, the self proclaimed experts dont like it when someone like me builds a magnificent example of a cnc
02:38 PM gloops: it someone reduces their status
02:38 PM gloops: somehow
02:39 PM gloops: gregcnc the gingery plans do work
02:39 PM gregcnc_: so why are there really expensive CNC machines in use?
02:40 PM gloops: because most businesses dont work on the basis of making their own machines
02:40 PM gregcnc_: they work on the idea of making money
02:40 PM gloops: a business man has no interest in making machines, he doesnt care how theyre made or how theyre made
02:41 PM gregcnc_: most of them are infact building other machines
02:41 PM gloops: right, they secure an order, they need a machine to produce it on a profitable basis
02:42 PM gloops: ill spend 100k on a machine if it will make me 10 million
02:42 PM gregcnc_: so why not build your own warehouse full of gingery amchines isntead of taking a loan to get an overpirced CNC?
02:42 PM gloops: you could
02:42 PM gregcnc_: lol
02:43 PM gloops: but if you analyse that from a pounds and pence point of view its probably better to buy the machines
02:43 PM gregcnc_: it that case why DIY?
02:44 PM gloops: there are various reasons, individuals may have different objectives and means
02:44 PM gloops: maybe they do not have the money to invest
02:46 PM gregcnc_: at what point do the part tolerances/specs/materials become a factor?
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: which example is this?
02:47 PM gloops: gregcnc that depends on what you are making
02:47 PM gregcnc_: that is the same question
02:48 PM gloops: CaptHindsight i will soon make an exhibit of it
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: maybe a drama category
02:49 PM gloops: tolerances are always a factor, few machines have much application if they work at +- 1 inch
02:50 PM gregcnc_: given, at what point do you say well shit that won't work i have buy BUY a real machine
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: Most Dramatic DIY Machine Build in a 2 Year Period
02:50 PM gregcnc_: dining room table? https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/hvo/d/large-chuck-for-lathe-or-vbm/6540389154.html
02:51 PM gloops: gregcnc who made the first lathe?
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: "I DON'T USE WESTERN UNION, BECAUSE YOU ARE A MARINE ENGINEER OR ARE
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: BEING SHIPPED OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND YOU CAN'T GET A PHONE SIGNAL TO TALK"
02:52 PM gregcnc_: machines exist we arent' the first
02:52 PM gloops: some machines exist
02:52 PM gloops: in the set of all possible machines, i doubt 1% exist atm
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bfs/d/cnc-milling-machine/6547363932.html
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: they look good from a distance
02:55 PM gloops: there are many staging points where to progress, you have to make a machine in a class of machines you dont already possess
02:55 PM gregcnc_: yeha those look nice
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: if a machine crashes in the woods does it make a sound?
02:56 PM gregcnc_: nobody is ever there when the machines crashes "what happened?" "I don't know"
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: lol
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: I think they wait until the operator is not looking then wham
02:57 PM gregcnc_: oh i have an idea CNC crash cam front and rear view, uploads directly to YT
02:57 PM gloops: remember the old parable of the stranger in the woods
02:57 PM gloops: to find the way - blow out your candle
02:58 PM CaptHindsight: don't talk to them, especially don't look into their mouths if gift bearing
02:59 PM gloops: if you are only prepared to see the world in 1 light, you will always only see 1 world
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: I thought it was "If you only focus on the moon you will miss all the heavenly glory."
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: ah finger https://youtu.be/CwPWDMvT21E?t=1m11s
03:07 PM gregcnc_: "so much toxic masculinity in this short excerpt. bruce lee is emotionally abusing this poor kid."
03:08 PM gloops: CaptHindsight Oscar Wilde said ' we are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars'
03:09 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: it's a Chinese thing, they define abuse differently in the east
03:12 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: lol from D Trump
03:12 PM gregcnc_: you found it
03:15 PM gregcnc_: I need to make some parts and maybe a lego heads in brass for the kids
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: I found another box of 1um glass scales
03:17 PM gloops: i havent done any work on the machine today
03:17 PM gloops: as the iron is not hot
03:18 PM CaptHindsight: ichs mentioned some common pinouts but these are mostly custom OEM units
03:18 PM CaptHindsight: and yeah it would be easy if they all had the standard Heidenhain connectors
03:19 PM Rab: gloops, how can you agitate for raising the bar to 5 axes when you're still working on 3?
03:20 PM gloops: Rab you say 'still' as if 3 is the current limit of my ability
03:21 PM gloops: im building a 3 axis machine because thats a machine i want
03:21 PM Rab: gloops, it sounds like you need to add another couple of axes whether you want them or not!
03:21 PM gloops: as it happens im building a 4 axis next, but the order isnt a matter of ability, i could have set out with 6 and done 3 next
03:23 PM gloops: not much point me sharing my thoughts on a 5 axis, it will be at least a year down the road
03:26 PM gregcnc_: if it's something that's not been done before it's best not to share it at all until you have your patent, or atleast a sizable crowdfunding campaign
03:27 PM gloops: yes, if profit or glory is your goal
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: any news from fragalot on the epoxy and rock machine?
03:31 PM CaptHindsight: cnczone has new threads with non scientific comparisons of various aggregate mixtures without any discussion of the qualities of the adhesives
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: that one thread is now 11+ years long
03:34 PM gregcnc_: stuff like that being done by various people and various methods will be tough to compare. Certainly someone has done the research, but as it still has considerable value probably not in public domain?
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/eMhk0BgUzsE?t=11m48s hand sanding the rails
03:35 PM gloops: no i think fragalot went on holiday for a week
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: I haven't looked ahead to see how he mounted them
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: in the middle of mixing epoxy?
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/epoxy-granite/354358-cnc.html
03:36 PM gloops: or maybe hes just cleaning his hands
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: hmm lapping the rails flat but no mention if the granite was flat and how it got that way
03:39 PM gloops: i like fragalots attitude though, he set out to build a tank, 4 square rails on the Y initially
03:39 PM XXCoder: capt interesting vudeo
03:40 PM gregcnc_: the gantry should be heavier I think
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: dur, it's made of actual granite
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: I missed that
03:42 PM gloops: gregcnc remember when i suggested using granite for moving parts on a cnc
03:42 PM gloops: like the fireplace offcuts i have
03:42 PM gregcnc_: granite has been used for a long time
03:42 PM gloops: sound idea
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: I often use granite surface plates as the base
03:43 PM gloops: plate glass is also gaining populairty
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: Enco used to have sales on them for $300 on ~2' x 3'
03:45 PM gregcnc_: I wonder what granite like that costs.
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/00468595
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: order by noon and it's here by truck the next day
03:47 PM CaptHindsight: Grade B (poorer tolerance) is higher priced
03:48 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-X-GRANITE-WORKTOP-OFFCUTS-3-DIFFERENT-TYPES/253529699639?
03:48 PM gloops: £1 per section
03:50 PM SpeedEvil: Sparkling ways are clearly better.
03:51 PM gregcnc_: 30mm thick probably ok for 300x300
03:51 PM XXCoder: if I wanted to buy a rock. I would get class B, because I dont really need that high end lol
03:51 PM XXCoder: I saw video of guy talking about class aa
03:51 PM XXCoder: insane.
03:51 PM gloops: quartz
03:52 PM XXCoder: they have to carefully control temperate and air movements when checking class AA because it changes with those
03:52 PM XXCoder: as well as weight on top so on
03:52 PM gloops: if you find these rocks naturally occuring you will be amazed how hard they are
03:53 PM roycroft: i should imagine they would have to be calibrated at the elevation where they're used as well
03:53 PM SpeedEvil: There are very few mines that yield naturally occurring surface plates.
03:54 PM gloops: they come pretty close SpeedEvil
03:54 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: the A's are lower cost than the B's
03:54 PM XXCoder: I wonder why
03:54 PM CaptHindsight: volume
03:54 PM gloops: slate is split down the natural strata, very flat
03:54 PM XXCoder: hmm makes sense I guess. greater demend and production means a is cheaper
03:54 PM MarkusBec: cheap chines grave stone :)
03:55 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: over time the Chinese do get things down, take printed circuit boards
03:55 PM SpeedEvil: Slate is flat.
03:55 PM XXCoder: indeed
03:55 PM SpeedEvil: Slate isn't very flat I thought
03:55 PM SpeedEvil: Also mass production
03:55 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: after years of crap they can send out decent boards by the millions at low cost
03:55 PM gloops: welsh slate is pretty flat
03:55 PM gloops: snooker table flat
03:55 PM roycroft: my 18x24 is b grade, and my 12x18 is a grade
03:55 PM SpeedEvil: gloops: that's not very flat
03:56 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: think china goverment is starting to xrack down on QA, as well as pollution
03:56 PM roycroft: i got the 12x18 for $30 from a guy who got it at a storage locker auction
03:56 PM XXCoder: china is actually moving towards renewable power sources 10 times faster than usa now.
03:56 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: pollution yes, QA is just over time
03:56 PM roycroft: the chinese can make very high quality goods
03:56 PM gloops: flat is of course relative
03:57 PM roycroft: the question is: are people willing to pay for them?
03:57 PM SpeedEvil: QA is what you pay for.
03:57 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: the Chinese way is buyer beware, if you don't notice and complain then they did a good job
03:57 PM XXCoder: I rememebr reading about goverment getting tired of shit products hurting china rep so they started working on qa
03:57 PM roycroft: they make cheap crappy junk because a lot of people demand cheap, crappy junk
03:57 PM SpeedEvil: There are consumers inchina for t-shirts that do not last one wash.
03:57 PM SpeedEvil: And everyone is OK with that
03:57 PM CaptHindsight: yup
03:57 PM roycroft: now their cheap crappy junk is going to cost 25% more
03:57 PM gloops: a bendy thing in flatworld would only be visible as a cross section
03:57 PM roycroft: it will be interesting to see what they do about that
03:58 PM CaptHindsight: I don't think that the duties are going to be enacted
03:58 PM CaptHindsight: just more distraction
03:59 PM roycroft: i predict that they might, and if they are, they will crash the global economy
03:59 PM CaptHindsight: keep your eyes on the money laundering
03:59 PM roycroft: but they might not be
03:59 PM roycroft: either way, i know exactly what the president will say about it
03:59 PM roycroft: "whoever knew that trade wars were so tricky?"
03:59 PM CaptHindsight: ignore what he says, just watch what he does
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: he's not an old dog with new tricks
04:00 PM roycroft: no
04:00 PM roycroft: he's an old dog with no tricks
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: what to do with a nation of so many ignorant people?
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: can they be helped?
04:01 PM roycroft: what frustrates me is that i agree with some of his philosophies
04:01 PM roycroft: but none of his policies
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: he says a some things that do make sense
04:02 PM roycroft: i keep hoping he does some of the things he says he wants to do in a way that works
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: he just doesn't do them
04:02 PM roycroft: i don't want him to be a failure
04:02 PM roycroft: i don't want any president to be a failure
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: he's a sociopath, they do what they do
04:03 PM roycroft: anyway, whether he imposes the tariffs or not, he's already creating so much turbulence on wall street that he's harming the economy
04:03 PM roycroft: but all that said
04:03 PM gloops: they said all this about brexit, the uk is doing fine
04:03 PM roycroft: no, the uk is fucked up the arse and will be for a decade
04:03 PM roycroft: but anyway
04:03 PM roycroft: i have two pieces of chinese-made equipment that i need to get
04:03 PM gloops: trump is bad because he isnt obama, thats the top and bottom of it
04:04 PM roycroft: and i was planning on getting them later on this summer
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: what are they?
04:04 PM roycroft: i'm trying to scramble for the cash to get them now, just in case
04:04 PM gloops: so youll have to find 125 dollars instead of 100?
04:04 PM SpeedEvil: gloops: 'the UK is doing fine' - have you looked at teh growth figures compared to the G8 pre and post brexit vote?
04:04 PM roycroft: a big disk sander and a stationary mortising machine
04:05 PM gloops: SpeedEvil look at the long term trends
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: oh stop being so rational! :)
04:05 PM gloops: UK has highest investment in G7
04:05 PM roycroft: "the uk is doing fine" means "we'll finally be able to kick all the poles out soon"
04:05 PM gloops: wages up, prices down
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: these arguments are supposed to be emotional
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: and tribal
04:05 PM gloops: not all the poles roycroft, some of the ladies can stay
04:06 PM roycroft: i can probably live without the moritser for a long time
04:06 PM roycroft: i have a benchtop model
04:06 PM roycroft: so it's the disk sander that i really need to get
04:06 PM gloops: make one
04:06 PM roycroft: and they're not all that expensive, but it's harder to cost justify one if it costs 25% more
04:06 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: any chance you can setup a production line for sours?
04:07 PM roycroft: machinery is one of the specific items on which the 25% tariff will be imposed
04:07 PM CaptHindsight: there are places here that would buy whatever you make
04:07 PM roycroft: i have less than zero interest in dealing with the olcc and atf
04:07 PM CaptHindsight: they are just starting to catch on
04:07 PM roycroft: brewing is and always will remain a hobby for me
04:07 PM roycroft: i'm not anti-regulation per se
04:07 PM roycroft: but i do not want to deal with those particular bureaucracies
04:08 PM roycroft: i'll leave that to others who are more paperwork-minded
04:08 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: I asked about sours the other day at a place with ~500 beers....
04:09 PM roycroft: i anticipate, btw, that when chinese machinery goes up in price 25%, if the quality is not also improved, us-made iron will go up as well just because they can get away with it
04:09 PM CaptHindsight: they had a few but I was warned about some being funky
04:09 PM roycroft: and the used market will also go up
04:09 PM roycroft: trade wars mean inflation
04:10 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: many people still expect them to still be bitter and taste of hops
04:10 PM gloops: disc sander from scrap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S8qUCUJkRg
04:10 PM roycroft: sours are horrible if they are bitter
04:10 PM roycroft: almost vomit-worthy horrible
04:10 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: yes, but many still expect it
04:10 PM gloops: old compressors are good source of motors, nobody wants an old compressor, but they throw the good motor away too
04:11 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: they are learning slowly
04:11 PM roycroft: it's the same thing with fruity beers
04:11 PM roycroft: the acidity of the fruit does not match with the bitterness of hops
04:11 PM roycroft: nobody makes a cherry ipa
04:12 PM roycroft: because it would taste like shite
04:12 PM enleth: my biggest personal problem with import taxes - which in the EU aren't that big but they cover pretty much everything imported from East Asia - is that they are supposed to protect the interests of the local manufacturers, but they also cover products that are not, cannot be and will not be produced by any local manufacturer within any reasonable timeframe, if ever, so it effectively protects no one's
04:12 PM enleth: economic interest for those products
04:12 PM enleth: like, say, most semiconductor devices
04:12 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: I have heard people complain about it being too fruity when it masks the bitterness
04:12 PM enleth: there are no fabs capable of producing them here and there won't be anytime soon if ever
04:12 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: I had this horrible Cherry porter about a month ago
04:13 PM roycroft: i've had some very good cherry porters
04:13 PM roycroft: if made well they can be delicious
04:13 PM roycroft: it sounds like you did not get one of the ones that was made well
04:13 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: not a hint of cherry
04:13 PM CaptHindsight: just carbon and bitter
04:13 PM gloops: enleth there arent any producers here because they all went bust owing to foreign imports
04:14 PM roycroft: i make a robust porter that folks rave about
04:14 PM roycroft: my secret ingredient is a bit of belgian special b malt
04:14 PM roycroft: which lends some raisin/fig notes to the beer
04:14 PM roycroft: i've given out my recipe, so it really isn't a secret
04:15 PM CaptHindsight: it's been too many years of the US having no protection in the form of import duties
04:15 PM Deejay: gn8
04:15 PM roycroft: but the odd thing is, brewers i've given it to say my robust porter is great but my recipe is too weird for them to want to try
04:15 PM roycroft: it's as though they think i'm giving them a bogus recipe
04:15 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: or expensive
04:15 PM roycroft: no, not really expensive
04:15 PM enleth: gloops: so the import tax didn't do shit anyway
04:15 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: or they use flavorless fruit
04:16 PM roycroft: if governments would play fair there would not be much need for import duties
04:16 PM gloops: enleth we have been betrayed by decades of treacherous globalist politics
04:16 PM gloops: globalism has failed
04:16 PM roycroft: china artificially undervalued its currency for years, which gave it a huge competetive advantage on the global market
04:16 PM roycroft: globalism has not failed and it will not go away
04:16 PM gloops: utterly and in every respect, economically and socially
04:16 PM roycroft: it is here for good
04:16 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: globalism is doing what was intended
04:17 PM gloops: i dont think it is as a political doctrine
04:17 PM roycroft: sorry, but you white nationalists are the ones who have failed and will lose in the end
04:17 PM gloops: nothing to do with white nationalism
04:17 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: you don't matter if you don't generate income for them
04:17 PM mtpocketscnc: https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/29952/273543/
04:17 PM roycroft: the other problem with global trade that is easy to solve is the oil subsidy
04:17 PM enleth: gloops: I think you're antropomorphising and assigning moral value to emergent behaviors of an uncontrollable complex system that doesn't act according to anyone's particular wishes
04:17 PM roycroft: if a carbon tax is imposed globally then chinese made goods will be much more expensive
04:18 PM CaptHindsight: mtpocketscnc: have you tried it?
04:18 PM roycroft: i'm not an advocate of free trade at all
04:18 PM roycroft: but i'm a strong advocate of fair trade
04:18 PM gloops: enleth the unconsious machinations of advancing communication and trade are a different thing to political design
04:19 PM mtpocketscnc: sorry had to... fellow brewer... no haven't tried. I tryed a different cherry beer and thought it was terrible
04:19 PM CaptHindsight: mtpocketscnc: "Tastes like a more cherry version of Sam Adams cherry wheat." which I can not even taste the cherry in
04:19 PM enleth: "design" implies more thought and intelligence than I'm willing to give credit for to most politicians, to be honest
04:20 PM roycroft: politicians are only interested in remaining in power, nothing else
04:20 PM roycroft: most have no inherent ideology
04:20 PM roycroft: they pick a "base" with whom they think they can succeed
04:21 PM roycroft: and spend their entire careers pandering to that base
04:21 PM roycroft: that's all that drives them
04:21 PM enleth: I'd still mostly assume this is an emergent result of some of the more quick-witted and smarter ones with the most sociopathic traits
04:21 PM enleth: but "design", no
04:21 PM CaptHindsight: enleth: the conservatives here don't really plan or design much other than just always lean in one direction
04:21 PM CaptHindsight: like acts smelling food
04:21 PM CaptHindsight: acts/cats
04:22 PM roycroft: the problem with the "conservatives" here is that none of their target demographics are big enough to keep them in power
04:22 PM CaptHindsight: the old guard is shrinking
04:22 PM roycroft: so they have to craft a disparate coalition of groups with conflicting interests
04:22 PM CaptHindsight: it's pretty much just "me, me, me"
04:23 PM roycroft: and find a wedge issue with each of them on which to craft their "ideology"
04:24 PM roycroft: then focus on instilling fear in each group by claiming the opposition will not support that group's wedge issue
04:24 PM roycroft: and making sure that the end of the world is the result of the wedge issue's failing
04:25 PM enleth: eh, this is all a steaming load of shite powered by dumb tribal instincts
04:25 PM roycroft: the problem with the democrats is that they don't campaign based on fear and hatred like that
04:25 PM enleth: "we", "them"
04:25 PM roycroft: they just say "we lub you all and we will take care of you all"
04:25 PM roycroft: and when they get the power they try to do that but don't know how
04:26 PM roycroft: politics in the us has been 100% tribal since the 1994 mid-term elections
04:26 PM roycroft: and as a result, everyone loses
04:26 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: no real simple message for masses
04:26 PM gloops: rip eric bristow
04:26 PM CaptHindsight: horrible at naming things
04:26 PM CaptHindsight: nothing ever like "death panels"
04:27 PM roycroft: "basket of deplorables" is no better than "death panels"
04:28 PM enleth: those instincts don't even make a whole lot of sense from the evolutionary perspective - sure, they serve to protect one's relatives and their contribution to the gene pool, but that quickly leads to racism and ideas of racial purity which are pretty much the dumbest possible piece of crap as far as disease resistance and gene quality goes - maintaining racial purity is a sure recipe for more and more
04:28 PM CaptHindsight: they are proud of being deplorable if they had dictionaries
04:28 PM enleth: congenital diseases and genetic defects. what the hell did go wrong along the evolutionary path that caused humans to be so prone to doing that?
04:29 PM roycroft: so my decision is down to getting the disk sander that i want with the cast iron table and brake for $430 or the one that i could live with with the aluminium table and no brake that's on sale for $140 and i can probably afford now
04:29 PM roycroft: oh, and the one that i want is from grizzly, and will have a $80 shipping fee tacked on top
04:29 PM roycroft: i do not want to invest the time in building one
04:29 PM roycroft: i'm spending too much time building tools
04:30 PM roycroft: i need to get work done with them
04:31 PM roycroft: enleth: pollution caused it
04:32 PM roycroft: we've brought it upon ourselves
04:32 PM roycroft: we are wallowing in our own waste
04:32 PM roycroft: it's something we can overcome
04:33 PM roycroft: except with the royals
04:33 PM roycroft: their genetic problems are from excessive inbreeding, not pllution
04:33 PM roycroft: pollution
04:34 PM enleth: if I had to guess, I'd expect the phenomenon to predate any significant levels of pollution, but I really have no hard data here
04:35 PM enleth: people have been killing each other for the dumbest of reasons, such as "they look different" or "they're not of here" for millenia
04:35 PM roycroft: yeah
04:35 PM roycroft: that's not genetic defects though
04:35 PM roycroft: it's just stupidity
04:36 PM roycroft: and we're working on that too
04:36 PM roycroft: a few more generations and there will be enough inter-racial breeding that we'll all start looking the same
04:36 PM roycroft: then we'll have to come up with a new reason to hate each other
04:37 PM enleth: even though the very same people would usually find a potential mate coming from an exotic country very attractive, precisely because this makes it more likely for the offspring to healthy and unencumbered with congenital dieases
04:37 PM enleth: somehow this instinct does work at individual level but fails to properly influence tribal behaviors
04:37 PM enleth: *to be healthy
04:38 PM roycroft: keep in mind that in my country a significant percentage of the population do not believe in science - they think that science is nothing more than a ruse perpetrated by progressives to control them
04:39 PM enleth: homo sapiens must have fallen into some kind of evolutionary local minimum and never got past that point, as far as partner selection and xenophobia are concerned
04:39 PM roycroft: and keep in mind also that long ago tribes would steal women and breed with them as war spoils
04:39 PM roycroft: then we decided that's not so good an idea
04:39 PM roycroft: which from a moral perspective is correct
04:39 PM roycroft: but may not be biologically the best thing
04:40 PM roycroft: and no, that does not mean i advocate for going back to doing that
04:40 PM enleth: this is actually pretty funny too - it makes the conquered side genetically dominate the conquerors, as the mother contributes mtDNA too
04:41 PM enleth: as far as enraged barbarians doing raping and pillaging can be considered funny, that is
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: was funny in the Holy Grail
04:42 PM roycroft: not funny haha
04:42 PM roycroft: i get that
04:42 PM roycroft: funny ironic
04:59 PM gloops: just taxed new vehicle online with no paperwork, 5 minutes, haha i remember when you have to go into the city and queue for ages to do that, and even then half the time the jobsworth behind the counter found some reason not to let you tax the vehicle
05:09 PM gloops: 5 stabbed in 90 minutes - london
05:24 PM Tom_itx: wow, i just knew all that ^^ chatter couldn't be about cnc machines and linuxcnc :D
05:24 PM CaptHindsight: if everybody had knives they could have stopped them, oh wait ......
05:24 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_itx: it was until it wan't
05:25 PM CaptHindsight: wan't/wasn't
05:25 PM * Tom_itx flushes the proverbial toilet and moves on
05:26 PM CaptHindsight: rough day at work?
05:27 PM Tom_itx: not particularly
05:28 PM Tom_itx: this 70F today and 20 tomorrow isn't doin much for my head though
05:28 PM CaptHindsight: oh man we haven't been getting anything over 50
05:28 PM CaptHindsight: teens at night for weeks
05:29 PM Tom_itx: predicted snow for late tomorrow
05:30 PM CaptHindsight: next 50+ day here looks like after the 15th
05:31 PM Tom_itx: https://tinyurl.com/y8rk846e
05:31 PM Tom_itx: got one of those to put on my spindle motor today
05:32 PM Tom_itx: gotta decipher the chinglish directions
05:34 PM CaptHindsight: DC version kill-a-watt
05:43 PM pink_vampire|2: hi
06:33 PM gloops: some pastor on facebook has a cnc workshop for the homeless going
06:33 PM pink_vampire|2: link?
06:34 PM gloops: Emmaus Center
06:35 PM gloops: Ed Jansen-ocm i cant link to the post
06:37 PM gloops: i wouldnt have thought cnc was directly helpful to a homeless person
06:44 PM gloops: shutdown in Ontario after explosion
07:13 PM CaptHindsight: gloops doesn't know his bible: Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the piece makers, for they will be called children of God.
07:16 PM jdh: I'm getting Tormach ads on imgur
07:16 PM CaptHindsight: never noticed ads on imgur
07:17 PM jdh: me either ,but now I have a big tormach ad. and adblockerplus is enabled on the site
07:18 PM CaptHindsight: let me try
07:22 PM JT-Mobile: hola
07:29 PM CaptHindsight: huh, I even searched for Tormach and only found 2 pics
07:29 PM TurBoss: Hola Hola
07:31 PM JT-Mobile: We are in Southhaven MS
07:37 PM CaptHindsight: heh, I first read that as Michigan and wondered why at this time of the year :)
07:38 PM JT-Mobile: to escape the snow in Poplar Bluff lol
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: yeah this winter won't quit
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: warm there?
07:40 PM JT-Mobile: 60F
07:54 PM Tom_itx: JT-Mobile runnin from the bad weather?
07:58 PM pink_vampire|2: what is the use for that?
07:58 PM pink_vampire|2: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Craftsman-5479-Spiral-Flute-0-to1-2-034-Reamer-LN-5-1-2-034-T1-/152931521228?nma=true&si=ub371PVulXUKjLT55QKwgVYeT0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
08:06 PM Rab: pink_vampire|2, I have one of those (with a broken tip). I use it for reaming holes in a general shop setting, not specific to milling/turning. It's good if you don't have exactly the right drill bit.
08:09 PM Tom_itx: pink_vampire|2 creates a tapered hole for a pipe tap
08:10 PM pink_vampire|2: you mean 1/8 NPT?
08:10 PM Tom_itx: various sizes
08:10 PM Wolf__: those arent the right taper for npt. I keep one in my tool box for making holes bigger in sheet metal
08:10 PM Tom_itx: drill a hole then use that to taper it
08:11 PM Wolf__: least I dont think its the right taper…
08:11 PM Tom_itx: i'd use a step drill for sheetmetal personally
08:11 PM pink_vampire|2: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8-1-2-T-Handle-Woodworker-Wood-Taper-Reamer-Tapered-Reaming-Hole-Drill-Bit/251571056905?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44040%26meid%3Dce10058a23394e58b6447a2265ac8168%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D302471107076%26itm%3D251571056905&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
08:12 PM Wolf__: cant always fit a drill under a truck dash
08:12 PM pink_vampire|2: it look like something for wood
08:21 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_itx: he said it was 60F there
08:22 PM Tom_itx: saw that after..
08:24 PM roycroft: i prefer chassis punches for sheet metal, but will use a step drill if necessary
08:25 PM CaptHindsight: depends on the gauge and how much room you have
08:26 PM roycroft: were that i could afford fractional din chassis punches
08:26 PM roycroft: i hate cutting holes for 1/16 or 1/8 din rectangular openings in sheet metal
08:27 PM roycroft: when i can i use the mill drill and a file to square up the corners
08:27 PM roycroft: sometimes i end up cutting the opening with a hack saw and a lot of filing
08:27 PM CaptHindsight: waterjet or laser cut, then punches, step drills, jigsaw and file, hammer and chisel
08:27 PM roycroft: but a din chassis punch is hundreds of dollars
08:27 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, hate that but sometimes it's all you can do
08:27 PM roycroft: i don't need to do it enough to justify the cost
08:28 PM CaptHindsight: often i don't have room for a punch
08:28 PM roycroft: that can be a problem too
08:28 PM CaptHindsight: it's in between two switches already mounted and wired
08:28 PM roycroft: but then a jig saw or hack saw won't work
08:29 PM roycroft: oh, if it's a side clearance issue then a jab saw can work
08:29 PM CaptHindsight: my panels never fit in a mill
08:29 PM roycroft: but if it's a rear clearance issue it's just tough, period
08:29 PM CaptHindsight: sometimes a hole saw
08:29 PM roycroft: mine often not as well
08:29 PM roycroft: hence my hacksaw and file method
08:30 PM roycroft: i hate using hole saws on metal
08:30 PM roycroft: i dislike hole saws period
08:30 PM roycroft: but they're more tolerable on wood than metal
08:30 PM roycroft: they're horrible for mdf or plywood though
08:30 PM roycroft: the teeth gum up and the wood starts burning instantly
08:30 PM CaptHindsight: what is the wood and mdf you speak of? some type of new metal? :)
08:31 PM roycroft: i do more work in wood than metal
08:31 PM roycroft: i have plans for a router circle jig that can cut really small holes
08:31 PM CaptHindsight: I keep wood around for pallets and crates
08:31 PM roycroft: when i get the time i'm going to make it, and then i can use it in most cases where i would otherwise use a hole saw
08:32 PM roycroft: iirc the plans i have will let me cut holes as small as 2"
08:32 PM roycroft: with the router
08:32 PM roycroft: and anything smaller than that i can do with forstner bits
08:33 PM roycroft: but all this said about how expensive square chassis punches are
08:33 PM roycroft: circular ones are reasonably priced
08:33 PM roycroft: and really the preferred method of making holes in sheet metal
08:34 PM roycroft: when they will fit
08:34 PM roycroft: and when the metal is not too thick
08:34 PM roycroft: i've punched holes in 12ga aluminium with a chassis punch, and in 16ga steel
08:34 PM roycroft: that's really pushing the limits of the punch
08:35 PM roycroft: and don't even think about using the mandrels with the bearings when punching metal that thick - it won't work at all
08:35 PM roycroft: ask me how i know :)
08:35 PM * roycroft spent a couple hours trying to find little tiny bearings that had scattered all over his shop once
08:36 PM roycroft: i have this thing about loose bearings
08:36 PM roycroft: if there are any on the floor i *must* find them and get rid of them
08:37 PM roycroft: because there's at least a 100% chance that the wild bearings will cause problems, either my slipping on them or their getting caught under a caster or something, some time down the road
08:59 PM JT-Mobile-: damn Memphis BBQ Co is good eats
09:00 PM JT-Mobile- is now known as JT-Mobile
09:00 PM JT-Mobile: Tom_itx, you getting any of that winter mix?
09:07 PM pink_vampire|2 is now known as pink_vampire
09:13 PM Tom_itx: JT-Mobile, it's due in tomorrow PM
09:13 PM Tom_itx: was nice here today
09:13 PM Tom_itx: around 70ish
09:14 PM JT-Mobile: it was getting a bit cold when we left at 2pm
09:14 PM JT-Mobile: PB is supposed to get it tonight
09:14 PM Tom_itx: they say possible snow PM tomorrow
09:15 PM JT-Mobile: we will be in LaPlace LA tomorrow :)
09:15 PM Tom_itx: work or play?
09:16 PM JT-Mobile: sibling get together, crawfish boil at my brothers
09:16 PM JT-Mobile: older sister already there
09:16 PM Tom_itx: sounds like fun
09:16 PM JT-Mobile: yea
09:17 PM JT-Mobile: if you even come down I55 stop in Southaven MS and eat at Memphis BBQ Co
09:18 PM Tom_itx: if we're that direction we usually fly to NewOrleans or drive to savannah
09:20 PM Tom_itx: err no, i take that back... we drive to both and fly thru Atlanta if we're flying
09:20 PM JT-Mobile: 8hrs from PB to NO
09:20 PM Tom_itx: a few more for me :)
09:20 PM JT-Mobile: aye
09:21 PM Tom_itx: 18-20ish
09:21 PM JT-Mobile: Southaven would be a good mid way point
09:21 PM JT-Mobile: insanely good BBQ
09:22 PM JT-Mobile: prob 5 hrs from NO here
09:23 PM Tom_itx: across the street from Applebees
09:24 PM JT-Mobile: I didn't notice Applebees lol
09:24 PM Tom_itx: to the west
09:24 PM Tom_itx: an texas roadhouse to the N
09:24 PM Tom_itx: i googled it :D
09:25 PM JT-Mobile: lots of restaurants and hotels
09:27 PM Tom_itx: that's about the halfway point for us to Georgia
09:27 PM Tom_itx: almost
09:28 PM JT-Mobile: we are staying at the comfort suites $100
09:31 PM Tom_itx: can't beat that
09:32 PM JT-Mobile: nice big room with mini fridge etc and free breakfast
09:32 PM Tom_itx: been to savannah?
09:33 PM JT-Mobile: once
09:33 PM Tom_itx: inlaw works down there so we go once in a while
09:33 PM Tom_itx: gulfstream
09:34 PM Tom_itx: last time we went to a civil war fort
09:35 PM JT-Mobile: cool
09:35 PM Tom_itx: near Tybee island
09:45 PM hazzy-dev: Tom_itx: Fort Pulaski?
09:45 PM hazzy-dev: Go there all the time
09:46 PM hazzy-dev: Last weekend I was short on time to go to Pulaski so went to Old Fort Jackson, nice place too
09:49 PM hazzy-dev: I had not been to Old Fort Jackson for about 15 years, but go to Pulaski every few months, so it was fun to change things up
09:52 PM hazzy-dev: Also the Railroad museum in Savannah has come a LONG ways since I was last there in 05, well worth a visit
09:52 PM Tom_itx: hazzy-dev, yeah i think that was it
09:53 PM Tom_itx: rifle bore cannons was it's downfall
09:54 PM hazzy-dev: Yep, poor thing what smashed to smithereens! Brick it no match
10:04 PM hazzy-dev: Fort Sumter near Charleston is also really fun, and the kids love the boat ride out to it
10:04 PM hazzy-dev: its kinda ugly since it was updated with a massive concrete blockhouse style installation for the Spanish–American War, but its a neat place
10:35 PM holzjunkie1 is now known as holzjunkie