Mar 17 2018
02:11 AM gloops: american L0 taper fitting https://ibb.co/m297Sx
02:14 AM gloops: https://ibb.co/i8gbLH
02:14 AM gloops: https://ibb.co/bz4Suc
02:14 AM gloops: (i think)
02:18 AM gloops: never actually looked this up for any idea of price, they seem pretty expensive, industrial class not handyman stuff
02:44 AM XXCoder: facebook keeps suggesting speakers so on to me. does fb know something I don't??
02:49 AM fragalot: XXCoder: obviously.
02:49 AM XXCoder: lol
02:49 AM fragalot: just like if you buy a dehumidifier on amazon, it thinks it's the stepping stone to starting a collection
02:50 AM XXCoder: LOL
02:50 AM XXCoder: it does seem that, but same time I havent bought audio anything.
02:50 AM fragalot: Yet.
02:51 AM XXCoder: noope
02:51 AM XXCoder: I wont buy one even if I live to 200
03:07 AM gloops: inch of snow here and still snowing, ive picked the coldest 3 months for years to spend in the garage
03:07 AM XXCoder: its recordbreaking hot here
03:08 AM XXCoder: 70f jeez. now 50s with clouds
03:09 AM gloops: it can be cold in march here, not often its cold like this, ive planted potatoes around this time in the past
03:10 AM XXCoder: yeah had march snows here. very rare nowdays
03:10 AM gloops: lol, nowadays
03:11 AM XXCoder: we used to have rains in summer
03:11 AM XXCoder: havent had any for years now
03:11 AM XXCoder: biome here is rainforest. rainforst with no rain
03:11 AM gloops: theyll be back, just a temporary cycle
03:11 AM XXCoder: yeah it'll be back in 100 or 200 years after humans is gone
03:12 AM XXCoder: everything is temporary.
03:12 AM gloops: we had a spell of dry summers here, maybe 10-`15 years ago
03:12 AM gloops: just as likely to have a spell of wet ones
03:27 AM Deejay: moin
03:28 AM gloops: hello
03:31 AM gloops: i reckon i could be finished this weekend, if no further problems arise
03:41 AM IchGucksLive: morning late as big spring party took long
05:41 AM jthornton: morning
05:43 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:43 AM XXCoder: man one of machines at work have been broken down for a week
05:44 AM XXCoder: apparently it's $2 part. since its not made anymore they have to have it custom made for $1000
05:44 AM jthornton: my BP has been down for a week
05:44 AM XXCoder: that cnc machine is rather important
05:44 AM XXCoder: its been running essentally same job for years now lol
05:44 AM jthornton: blew the step down transformer
05:45 AM XXCoder: ow
05:45 AM jthornton: no setup time on it then
05:46 AM jthornton: I was looking yesterday at the dc power supplies and they can take 240v so I'll change the wiring for now
05:47 AM XXCoder: sort of. some dont need setup but some stages must setup each and each part.
05:47 AM XXCoder: theres 2 holes that must have indention around hole, that is .0005" deep.
05:47 AM jthornton: that must be tough to measure
05:47 AM XXCoder: both sides of hole, on both sides (it has 2 ears with holes)
05:48 AM XXCoder: lets just say Im happy I dont run those parts.
05:48 AM XXCoder: so essentally 4 setups per part for that insane stage.
05:48 AM XXCoder: first find distance from reference surface to top AND bottom of certain hole
05:49 AM XXCoder: then do again for other side
05:49 AM jthornton: that does sound like a pia
05:49 AM XXCoder: because no matter what, all parts has unique thickness and sizes
05:49 AM XXCoder: .0005" is insane for Z
05:51 AM XXCoder: worse is that both bottom and top of disc cutter has to be known
05:55 AM jthornton: looks like today will be a nice one weather wise
05:55 AM XXCoder: heh whatever weather will be, I'll be in basement puttiong walls up
05:56 AM XXCoder: this weekend may be when we finally finisg living room and bedroom
05:56 AM jthornton: framing walls?
05:56 AM XXCoder: so can start spacking etc
05:57 AM jthornton: so the house is getting close to being done?
05:58 AM XXCoder: it'll be while, because we can only do it on weekends
05:58 AM XXCoder: but heavy lifting will be done yeah
05:58 AM XXCoder: spacking is lots of work but no lifting lol
05:59 AM XXCoder: then orange texture then finally floor
05:59 AM XXCoder: then we move stuff around then start ripping walls off the second bedroom
06:01 AM XXCoder: evenualy that room will be done and completely finished with basement. yay!!
06:01 AM jthornton: sounds nice
06:02 AM jthornton: I need to take the bathtub out and replace it with a shower
06:02 AM XXCoder: generally it sucks but there is some compenstions
06:02 AM XXCoder: like built-in networking!
06:02 AM XXCoder: and real insulation!
06:04 AM jthornton: I put 9" of unfaced itch on top of the 3 1/2" and my propane usage went down a lot during the winter
06:04 AM XXCoder: heh downstairs used to be slightly cold all time
06:05 AM XXCoder: not anymore!
06:05 AM XXCoder: that bedroom still is though, thats why we gonna work on that evenually. also complete networking (still have 2 ethernet wires loose)
06:06 AM XXCoder: that 2 is longest of all cables lol
06:06 AM XXCoder: over 100 feet each I think
06:07 AM jthornton: my cat5 cable to the coop is still running across the ground and under the door lol
06:09 AM XXCoder: lol
06:11 AM XXCoder: theres also special cable going to wall, near ceiling
06:11 AM XXCoder: it'll be POE type, for commerical style AP :)
06:12 AM jthornton: what's the difference?
06:12 AM gloops: collected a dozen tiny eggs off my silkies yesterday, they are very low maintenance birds, quiet, they hardly seem to eat - big mistake talking to neighbour with bag of eggs in hand hand though
06:12 AM jthornton: what size eggs do they lay when mature?
06:13 AM XXCoder: larger range since its supposed to service entire basement
06:13 AM gloops: they are mature lol, probably about pigeon egg size
06:13 AM XXCoder: much more devices would work fine with it
06:13 AM XXCoder: (commerical you want as many possible for maybe customers or lots workers with say laptops or whatever)
06:13 AM gloops: https://ibb.co/bGeQfH
06:14 AM gloops: been leaving the eggs in for a few days a time see if one goes broody on them, but not very intersted so far
06:14 AM jthornton: what are the bigger ones?
06:15 AM gloops: brown one is leghorn - and they are small, other one is a khaki campbell duck egg
06:20 AM gloops: if they dont go broody think ill sort some jars and and collect the eggs for pickling, better size for jars the small ones
06:20 AM jthornton: how do you pickle them?
06:21 AM gloops: just hard boil them and put them in pickling vinegar
06:22 AM gloops: the chinese have them 100 years old lol, in fact a lot older i think
06:23 AM jthornton: do they stay in the vinegar?
06:24 AM gloops: oh yeah, just like pickled onions
06:24 AM gloops: pickled quail eggs are good, theyre really small, expensive thing to buy if you can find them
06:25 AM jthornton: can you pickle larger eggs?
06:25 AM gloops: useful way to store them if you have a glut, theres only me likes them here though so no good doing loads
06:26 AM gloops: you can pickle larger eggs yeah, but they dont fit in normal size jars as well - cant get so many in
06:26 AM jthornton: I have a few gallon size jars
06:27 AM jthornton: https://www.artandthekitchen.com/moms-pickled-eggs/
06:28 AM gloops: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/shop/gb/groceries/garners-pickled-eggs-465g?istCompanyId=1e096408-041f-4238-994e-a7cf46bf9413&istItemId=wxtialxiwr&istBid=t&msclkid=ea94d3d3c0f4134870f0897f3b7b8319&dclid=CJCSr4yg89kCFY8g0wodEzYHHQ
06:28 AM gloops: theyre just normal chicken eggs i think
06:29 AM jthornton: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/pickled-eggs.1171499/#post-18433289
06:30 AM jthornton: I'll have to try some
06:30 AM gloops: lol, i can eat them one after the other, not everyone is so keen though
06:31 AM gloops: good for salads as well
06:31 AM jthornton: I like vinegar taste, I used to eat vinegar and salt potato chips lol
06:32 AM gloops: there are different recipes for the vinegar, some milder some spicy and so on
06:33 AM jthornton: yea I've been looking at different ones
06:33 AM jthornton: wife has eaten the before but I've not
06:34 AM jthornton: where does a duck sleep?
06:35 AM gloops: just on the floor
06:35 AM gloops: ive never known any fly up to roost, muscovies can climb though they sometimes get on something
06:36 AM jthornton: looks like quite a variation on vinegar to water ratio in recipes
06:39 AM gloops: we usually do a bit of pickling late summer, beetroot and stuff, pretty much the same process, i tend to finish a jar off pretty quick though when its been opened heh
06:39 AM gloops: right going to finish this little job anyway
06:40 AM jthornton: ok
08:06 AM IchGucksLive: hi
08:08 AM IchGucksLive: hi Dave_Elec hjow is it in ethiopia
08:08 AM IchGucksLive: HOt as in oven i belive
08:09 AM IchGucksLive: Dave_Elec: are you in the capitalk city
08:19 AM gloops: snowing here, but also getting sun at times, i might go out with a camera for a bit
08:19 AM gloops: unlikely to see snow again this year
08:30 AM IchGucksLive: gloops: not eastern jet
08:30 AM gloops: -1C atm
08:31 AM IchGucksLive: as here
08:35 AM gloops: well, nothing interesting happening, need to find soldering iron stupid jacks on spindle connection have snapped off
08:35 AM IchGucksLive: im also later
08:45 AM fragalot: hµ
08:45 AM miss0r: Have you been following me ? :)
08:46 AM fragalot: maybe
08:46 AM fragalot: (why?)
08:46 AM miss0r: today and yesterday you join here within 5 minuts of me
08:46 AM miss0r: well, technically today was 7 minuts
08:46 AM fragalot: kinda creepy for you to notice things like that, stalker.
08:47 AM miss0r: Don't try'n turn this on me! I see what you are up to !"
08:47 AM fragalot: haha
08:47 AM miss0r: I don't know if belgium is experiencing the same sous vide craze as here in denmark? But yester a friend of mine came by, asked me to turn him two acrylic bushings
08:48 AM miss0r: he was making two sous vide boxes, out of thoes insulated plastic boxes, you take on a picnic for example. Drilled a large hole in each, and stuck in the bushings, to allow for easy insertion of the sous vide through the lid
08:50 AM fragalot: why do you need specialty tools for sous vide?
08:50 AM fragalot: isn't it literally a matter of putting a steak in a baggy, dunking the baggy under water to force the air out, sealing said baggy & boiling?
08:50 AM miss0r: not boiling!
08:51 AM fragalot: you know what I mean
08:51 AM * Tom_L cooks it with his acetylene torch
08:51 AM miss0r: the sous vide machinery you can buy here, basically is a heating element with a propeller to circulate the water. The heating element controls the water to exactly the temperature you want. i.e. veal is 54 degrees for medium red.
08:53 AM Tom_L: crazy what ppl will do just to satisfy their tastebuds
08:53 AM miss0r: Tom_L: I do that aswell actualy :D After the meat is properly prepared in the sous vide, I use a torch(propane only, though) to get a bit of a crust on there
08:53 AM miss0r: call me crazy :D
08:53 AM Tom_L: slave to the tongue :)
08:55 AM miss0r: indeed. but it is super easy, actualy. It takes 5 minuts to prepare.. and then you can let it sit for as long as you feel like. When you are ready to eat ir it takes another 5 minuts of preparation and you are ready. PLUS its the best meat i've ever tasted :D
08:56 AM miss0r: you could chew it with your eyelids! so damn tender
08:58 AM gloops: total whiteout in yorkshire lol, strong wind heavy snow
08:59 AM miss0r: gloops: so plenty of time to to work on your router, yay
08:59 AM miss0r: I'm only here for a short while. We just came home from one birthday(brunch arrangement) and we leave in little under an hour to go to another birthday(dinner arrangement) *sigh*
08:59 AM gloops: made last 2 parts this morning
09:00 AM gloops: not rellly anxious to finish i know ill have time next week
09:00 AM miss0r: sounds good :] I'm hoping you have enough pictures/video to make a timelapse video of the build, concluding in some realtime milling :D
09:01 AM gloops: only made 1 video so far lol, i will get some of it cutting - unless theres a disaster it will be next week some time
09:10 AM miss0r: fragalot: I must say, I'm looking forward to seeing some more photo material on your cnc build
09:15 AM miss0r: bleh. off to the next arrangement. cya
11:06 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:08 AM fragalot: hi
11:08 AM IchGucksLive: its getting colder by the hour
11:08 AM IchGucksLive: hi nallar
11:09 AM nallar is now known as Ross
11:09 AM fragalot: yup
11:09 AM IchGucksLive: i did get time today to finish the booking plan for the campjard
11:10 AM IchGucksLive: and im glad to say we are booked full until NOV 18
11:10 AM IchGucksLive: wat in the other hand means lots of kids making the furest not cleaner
11:10 AM IchGucksLive: forest will take them as always
11:12 AM IchGucksLive: so i need to get the equipment for Starwatching ready without help from ;-) S.H
11:13 AM IchGucksLive: only 10 hits on a saturday at YT cnc LCNC channel wear
11:14 AM IchGucksLive: im off saa you later folks
11:23 AM nallar is now known as Ross
11:32 AM branjb: do single flute TiALN coated end mills exist?
11:40 AM gloops: well another successful building session
11:42 AM gloops: branjb yes they do
11:46 AM gregcnc: single flute and tialn is an unusual combo though you'll have to check around
11:48 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-8-4-FLUTE-SINGLE-END-STUB-LENGTH-TiAlN-COATED-CARBIDE-END-MILL/300397172963?
11:48 AM gregcnc: are isolation mounts found at any local stores? https://www.mcmaster.com/#9213k21/=1c0ehce
11:48 AM gloops: plenty on ebay, i dont know about them so i dont know if they are any good or not
11:49 AM gregcnc: SINGLE flute?
11:49 AM gregcnc: http://www.zimmermangrinding.co.za/end-mill-single-flute-standard-series
11:49 AM gregcnc: aka O flute
11:50 AM gloops: yes i was just seeing if anyone spotted that gregcnc
11:50 AM gloops: plenty of multi flute, very few single
11:51 AM gregcnc: few materials you'd be cutting with a single flute would require tialn
11:55 AM gloops: i doubt ill ever need them
11:57 AM gloops: maybe find those at an electrical goods parts place gregcnc i cant think of any other street shop that would sell them
11:59 AM fragalot: gloops: those are mechanical isolation mounts, not electrical insulating.
12:00 PM Tom_L: what's best to use as a chamfer tool?
12:00 PM gloops: yes, im thinking like washing machines, tumble dryers - a chance they may used in some types
12:00 PM gregcnc: google didn't turn up anything local, oh well another mcmaster order monday
12:00 PM fragalot: Tom_L: a chamfer mill?
12:00 PM Tom_L: how many flutes do they usually have?
12:00 PM gregcnc: or a 90°mill drill if useful
12:01 PM fragalot: Tom_L: depends on which one you get :P
12:01 PM gregcnc: same as endmills
12:01 PM Tom_L: i'm just playing dumb today
12:01 PM gloops: im sure i took some of those mounts off a chinese kids quad as well
12:01 PM Tom_L: my local guy didn't have any
12:01 PM gloops: motorcycle shop might have
12:02 PM Tom_L: was thinkking of alternates
12:02 PM fragalot: Tom_L: anything ground to the chamfer you want will work in a pinch
12:04 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/SpeedHandle.jpg
12:04 PM Tom_L: think i'll make one for the vise
12:05 PM BeachBumPete: I like the two flute I have been using but you cannot rip thru too fast and expect a fine finish
12:05 PM gloops: ive also got 2 4.5nm motors coming, 50% stronger than the ones ive got, will rectify the slight power shortcoming on my x axis
12:06 PM fragalot: did you upgrade the electronics & PSU too?
12:07 PM gloops: ive got a psu just need drivers
12:07 PM Tom_L: was that one driver blown?
12:08 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete where did you get them?
12:08 PM gloops: Tom_L looks like it yeah, someone else came in here done exactly the same thing
12:08 PM gloops: so dont wire leadshines back to front
12:08 PM Tom_L: what'd the steppers cost?
12:09 PM gloops: lol, very cheap
12:09 PM gloops: anyway just out to feed the chickens
12:09 PM gregcnc: I have Internal Tool chamfer mills, but will use onlinecarbide.com next time.
12:09 PM Tom_L: i need to find some radius cutters too
12:09 PM Tom_L: just a couple different ones
12:10 PM Tom_L: .125 for one
12:10 PM Tom_L: gregcnc, ever try lakeshore?
12:11 PM Tom_L: err you're overseas aren't you?
12:13 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-2-FLUTE-90-DEGREE-CARBIDE-CHAMFER-MILL-/152157511812 I think this is the one I got... they sell many differnt types.
12:14 PM Tom_L: fleebay quality ok?
12:15 PM BeachBumPete: well like I said I am pleased with mine and it has champfered many parts now
12:15 PM BeachBumPete: YMMV
12:16 PM Tom_L: i probably won't be using it alot
12:16 PM Tom_L: you probably do
12:16 PM Tom_L: all those rails you make..
12:16 PM Tom_L: i'd back it off a bit and cut from the outter part of it where possible
12:16 PM BeachBumPete: yeah
12:16 PM Tom_L: last longer that way
12:18 PM BeachBumPete: indeed
12:18 PM BeachBumPete: for me it depends on how tight the profile is
12:23 PM gregcnc: I'm near chicago. I use onlinecarbide thread mills and they are better than Harvey.
12:25 PM Tom_L: single point?
12:25 PM gregcnc: yes
12:25 PM Tom_L: i wanna try those sometime
12:26 PM Tom_L: use G33.1 for that?
12:26 PM gregcnc: G2/3
12:27 PM Tom_L: single pass?
12:27 PM gregcnc: usually
12:27 PM Tom_L: hmm
12:27 PM gregcnc: in aluminum
12:27 PM gregcnc: 2 in steel
12:27 PM Tom_L: still G2/3 for 2 pass?
12:27 PM Tom_L: how do you align the lead in?
12:27 PM gregcnc: it's a helical move
12:28 PM gregcnc: i made a spread sheet to calc it all
12:28 PM Tom_L: i don't think my cam supports helix. it says it does but...
12:28 PM Tom_L: G33.1 would work i think
12:28 PM gregcnc: i hand cam milled threads with the sheet
12:28 PM gregcnc: no
12:29 PM Tom_L: why not?
12:29 PM Tom_L: oh i see, nevermind
12:29 PM Tom_L: i was thinking how lathe does it
12:53 PM phiplii: hum
12:53 PM phiplii: made a soldering fume extractor thing
12:53 PM phiplii: from a piece of carbon filter and a 120mm fan
12:54 PM phiplii: the plastic bit that used to attach to the vertical heatsink is perfect for just shoving the filter into
12:56 PM gloops: its good when something just works for what you want to do
12:56 PM phiplii: yeah - I was in the process of ordering a 120mm wire mesh thing to keep the filter out of the fan blades
12:57 PM phiplii: but went looking for a fan
12:57 PM phiplii: the one I found already had the cowl thingy on it
12:57 PM phiplii: its perfect
12:57 PM gloops: i usually find stuff thats like - this would be perfect...if
12:58 PM phiplii: tricky to see but : https://www.scan.co.uk/images/products/2674969-b.jpg
12:58 PM phiplii: I pulled the vertical heatsink off
12:58 PM phiplii: and there is a plastic recessed thingy
12:59 PM gloops: yeah like a casing on the back for something to fit
01:00 PM phiplii: will do my lungs no end of good
01:00 PM phiplii: or at least means I can stop holding my breath while soldering...
01:03 PM fragalot: phiplii: they are nice aren't they
01:04 PM phiplii: lungs?
01:04 PM fragalot: I used to have a huge weller extractor the size of a small fridge, but replaced that with one of the ubiquitos desktop extractor fans you find everywhere now
01:04 PM fragalot: phiplii: no, solder extractors :P
01:04 PM phiplii: :P
01:05 PM phiplii: activated carbon is great stuff and you can buy packs of them
01:05 PM fragalot: yup
01:05 PM phiplii: made a fridge with some once...
01:05 PM phiplii: but that was a bit of a kick in the lungs since the refrigerant was ammonia...
01:08 PM phiplii: http://energyprofessionalsymposium.com/?p=1096
01:08 PM phiplii: I'd left by then I think... but I worked with those guys for a bit
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: hi
01:08 PM phiplii: evening IchGucksLive
01:18 PM gloops: looks pretty high tech stuff you do phipli
01:18 PM phiplii: it was just summer work while I was a student
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: low tech is frome stonehenge
01:18 PM phiplii: work in the railway now so it is all 1950s tech :)
01:19 PM phiplii: I like how the professor was still saving the images as 256 colours
01:19 PM phiplii: even the CAD rendering
01:20 PM gloops: i removed some of the older tube type solar panels once, i was surprised how warm they got when the sun came out - they had them removed because they thought they were a waste of time, turned out the plumbing was wrong lol
01:20 PM phiplii: yeah the evacuated tube type get amazingly hot
01:20 PM phiplii: very little conduction to take the heat away
01:21 PM gloops: you could feel it change when the sun came out from behind a cloud
01:22 PM gloops: Ichs theyre doing a preliminary archeological investigation near me, before building houses, apparently found some iron age stuff
01:23 PM phiplii: This was the rig I was mainly involved in : http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/projects/TestRig01.jpg
01:23 PM gloops: what does that do?
01:24 PM phiplii: waste heat driven AC unit
01:24 PM phiplii: as you heat the carbon beds, they drive out ammonia
01:24 PM phiplii: creating pressure
01:24 PM gloops: ah ok
01:24 PM phiplii: if you cool the other bed it causes it to adsorb the ammonia... basically giving you a pump
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: im off bye
01:25 PM * phiplii waves
01:25 PM gloops: clever stuff
01:25 PM branjb: gregcnc: checked out that link, don't see any page to order. Is it a request a quote type place?
01:25 PM phiplii: yeah - great way of getting cooling for "free" when you have waste heat
01:25 PM phiplii: we were designing it to use the coolant from an engine
01:25 PM phiplii: so you'd get some AC for "free" without loading up the engine
01:26 PM phiplii: similar tech to those gas powered fridges
01:27 PM * phiplii vanishes for dinner
01:27 PM gloops: i was just thinking about something i read about early fridges/how to make a fridge, thought it was a similar idea
01:28 PM gloops: im going to brush up on blender, got to a certain level last year, and since then every couple of months i run through the same tutorials just to hold that level lol, will take it forward soon
01:35 PM gregcnc: branjb no idea, just an example i pulled for gloops what are you cutting and why o flute ?
02:05 PM MrHindsight: BeachBumPete: anything formlabs is just a shiny turd
02:05 PM MrHindsight: BeachBumPete: somebosy hacked their resin cartridges to use 3rd part resins though
02:06 PM MrHindsight: the best thing to do to form2 is rip the controller out and replace it with 7i77
02:12 PM zeeshan: any of you guys table saw experts? :D
02:13 PM MrHindsight: just got here, I think everyone is out having a few
02:13 PM Rab: zeeshan, suuup
02:13 PM MrHindsight: St Pat's an all
02:13 PM zeeshan: hi rab whats going on
02:14 PM Rab: zeeshan, not much, cleaning house.
02:14 PM Rab: zeeshan, how's your big green mill these days?
02:14 PM zeeshan: chugging away :D
02:15 PM zeeshan: https://photos.app.goo.gl/0De8NRchfYrQ1HVw2
02:15 PM zeeshan: how do i make a .125deepx.25"w slot in this
02:15 PM zeeshan: safely
02:15 PM zeeshan: its about 40" long
02:16 PM MrHindsight: router
02:16 PM zeeshan: table saw
02:16 PM Rab: Palm router with a jig?
02:16 PM MrHindsight: router :)
02:16 PM zeeshan: im thinking of cutting a plywood sheet about 6" wide
02:16 PM MrHindsight: make a guide for the saw
02:16 PM MrHindsight: rip fence
02:16 PM zeeshan: and then resting the corner of this molding
02:16 PM zeeshan: i feel like i dont have control tho
02:16 PM zeeshan: ;/
02:18 PM MrHindsight: zeeshan: how work? Any fun projects?
02:18 PM Rab: Yeah...I'd feel less worried about safety, with that small depth of cut, and more worried that it'd track off and ruin the piece.
02:18 PM zeeshan: luckily i got a few tries!
02:18 PM zeeshan: MrHindsight: just designing machinery at work
02:18 PM zeeshan: i posted some pics of stuff recently designed, did you see? :D
02:19 PM MrHindsight: nope, must have missed it
02:19 PM zeeshan: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMmIw21ybLzO54MCFGQ9I4WOdzuCLkJE9wJJura87hn214P7kvik1xHbtVeAIEl8Q?key=S0oyNENpeU5fSnV3YkpZZTNKc2FBUkhLVXRRalpR
02:19 PM zeeshan: machine on the left
02:21 PM MrHindsight: what operations is it performing?
02:22 PM zeeshan: cutting drywall into strips, stacking those strips, gluing em, pressing em, creating layers of them and stacking a cube of em
02:22 PM zeeshan: every 1 s!
02:22 PM zeeshan: :P
02:22 PM zeeshan: (its cutting the strips every 1 sec that is)
02:22 PM MrHindsight: sounds dusty
02:22 PM zeeshan: lots of dust collection
02:23 PM MrHindsight: which brand are the controls?
02:23 PM zeeshan: allen bradley
02:24 PM enleth: mystery solved - this lathe does have a threading mark, it's just that some hopeless moron painted it over completely and it's so flat it looks like some kind of cover or plug
02:24 PM MrHindsight: he was preserving it for later use
02:43 PM MrHindsight: zeeshan: building a gantry bot in SS for FDA application
02:45 PM gloops: could make a little sled for router or circ saw
02:45 PM gloops: or a litte jig for table saw for that lat to run through
02:46 PM MrHindsight: or router with guide/jig
02:46 PM MrHindsight: or table saw with jig and guide
02:46 PM MrHindsight: laser
02:47 PM gloops: you want a jig really thats an awkward shaped thing to push through anything
02:47 PM MrHindsight: pneumatic or electric cnc chisel
02:48 PM MrHindsight: hand drill powered end mill with guide
02:48 PM MrHindsight: well trained termites
02:48 PM gloops: 10 tonne press - roll the slot in
02:49 PM MrHindsight: razor sharp single toothed chattering teeth with guide
02:50 PM MrHindsight: very small backhoe with guide
02:51 PM MrHindsight: tiny shape charges
02:53 PM gloops: nano-routers wont be long coming
02:57 PM gloops: if you had millions of laser nanobots, each programmed to destroy one co-ordinate - a wood cell or metal molecule say, you make virtually anything
03:01 PM MrHindsight: sure it pays well enough
03:02 PM Rab: No, it'll be additive manufacturing. Bacteria excreting metals and minerals on DNA-programmed toolpaths.
03:02 PM MrHindsight: what sort of emitter would a nanobot use to emit a wavelength longer than itself?
03:03 PM MrHindsight: the poop or bacteria
03:03 PM MrHindsight: or/of
03:03 PM Rab: Electronics as we know it will cease to exist. Everything will be a vat-grown polymer brick with embedded semiconductive contaminants.
03:03 PM MrHindsight: but it's bacteria poop
03:03 PM Rab: If you plan to work in 40 years, get into biotech.
03:04 PM MrHindsight: so people will think that it's too gross
03:04 PM gloops: nano entities will network using quantum entanglement
03:04 PM MrHindsight: nah bio is too organic
03:05 PM Rab: Have you seen kids these days, and the economy they'll inherit? Their children will be grateful to eat poop.
03:05 PM MrHindsight: it will be synthesized nano, not from the sludge bacterias
03:06 PM MrHindsight: the economy will become obsolete
03:06 PM MrHindsight: after the water wars
03:06 PM gloops: well it would be nice if replicators were like the ones on star trek, but yeah in reality i think there will be a lot of slime and viscous grey fluid involved
03:06 PM MrHindsight: nothing is wrong wit the economy, it will start trickling down anytime now :)
03:07 PM MrHindsight: bacteria with AI, thats the winning combo
03:07 PM gloops: putin said tonight that the UK is 4 meals away from anarchy
03:07 PM MrHindsight: smart bacteria will absorb us
03:08 PM gloops: which is pretty good austerity control
03:10 PM gloops: most people are only eating 1 meal a day and skipping a day so 5 days away from revolution is a safe enough margin to maintain
03:13 PM gloops: oh sht https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/17/florida-bridge-collapse-safety-meeting-crack-no-concerns?CMP=twt_gu&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true
03:17 PM MrHindsight: nah, trickle down will save the UK, same as the US
03:18 PM MrHindsight: the tesnion cables were not yet in place so I don't see how it held up in the first place
03:18 PM gloops: sure record employment, just need above subsistence wages now
03:18 PM MrHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A1wS09p0k&feature=youtu.be&t=5
03:18 PM MrHindsight: it's all working as planned
03:19 PM MrHindsight: you are irrelevant
03:21 PM MrHindsight: or some cables were in place but not yet properly tensioned
03:22 PM MrHindsight: one engineer said that it collapsed while the tension was being adjusted
03:22 PM XXCoder: yeah seems it was not done yet
03:22 PM gloops: some dodgy there
03:23 PM gloops: something
03:23 PM XXCoder: only postive I can think is that bridge was still closed. if it was open and full of people when it fell it would be much worse.
03:23 PM gloops: you see a crack in an incomplete concrete span - and dismiss it
03:23 PM XXCoder: question is that is it normal to have crack?
03:24 PM XXCoder: concerete always cracks, thats why we have grooves because it reaches 100% chance past certain size
03:25 PM gloops: well, must have had faith in the steel to hold it till the cables went on
03:25 PM MrHindsight: The FIGG engineer of record delivered a technical presentation regarding the crack and concluded that there were no safety concerns and the crack did not compromise the structural integrity of the bridge.
03:25 PM MrHindsight: https://news.fiu.edu/2018/03/fiu-statement/120558
03:26 PM gloops: could be charged with manslaughter - and certainly sued
03:26 PM XXCoder: 2 hours
03:26 PM gloops: the no win no fee lawyers will already be drawing their cases up
03:28 PM MrHindsight: Other stories say they were loading testing the bridge at the time
03:28 PM MrHindsight: UK Daily Mail show that there was green crane that seems to have snapped the cable holding whatever it was carrying
03:28 PM MrHindsight: That cable ended up wrapped around the street light away from the mashed up side of the bridge.
03:31 PM MrHindsight: It appears workers were post-tensioning #11 using a crane and other equipment attached to one of the post-tension rods. It appears tensioner (blue) and part of the bar is sticking out several feet in photos of the collapse.
03:32 PM gloops: it will probably be some agency worker who gets the blame
03:33 PM renz: sounds like there were signs of a problem and someone signed off anyway
03:34 PM renz: so yeah sounds like some agency worker fucked up that part
03:36 PM MrHindsight: https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11867553&cid=56275233
03:39 PM gloops: just those couple of turns for luck
03:52 PM gloops: can you have 2 steppers on 1 screw?
03:55 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: that rod sticking out is due to it breaking & shooting out, just prior to collapse
03:56 PM fragalot: right now, everyone thinks they've got it figured out, whilst in reality,.. we need to give the experts time to dissect the evens correctly
03:57 PM gloops: or to get their stories to match fragalot, this is a balls up anyone can see that, and now people are dead
04:02 PM MrHindsight: nah, we'll never hear the real story
04:02 PM MrHindsight: we don't matter
04:02 PM MrHindsight: it was probably some psych-ops test on the public again
04:02 PM MrHindsight: bigger bridge to follow :)
04:03 PM XXCoder: not everything is osych-ops.
04:04 PM Loetmichel: hihi, just had to start a washing machine full of tshirts and jeans... to be able to go to work on monday... wife is with her mother until tuesday... that would have been bad monday morning looking into the closet and seeing no shirts OR trousers ;)
04:05 PM gloops: lol
04:05 PM gloops: you make starting the washing machine sound like an unusual thing to do Loet
04:06 PM Loetmichel: gloops: wifes job normally.
04:06 PM Loetmichel: i do the floor cleaning and anything she cant reach because of her bad hip
04:07 PM gloops: i do quite a lot of housework, difficult as it might be to believe
04:08 PM jdh: I did some laundry 8 or 12 years ago. she won't let me do it anymore
04:10 PM Loetmichel: jdh: i know that feeling ;)
04:10 PM jdh: she cooked once. same result
04:12 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Anet-A8-3d-Printer-PARTS-Genuine-Bids-U-K-ONLY-Plez/152947564051?
04:13 PM gloops: thats comes to £70 with post, theyre about £120 new, hmm suppose its a fair saving
04:13 PM gloops: if he hasnt messed around with it
04:14 PM Loetmichel: i wouldnt really buy that printer used
04:14 PM Loetmichel: its so cheap when "new" that its just not worth the risk
04:15 PM Loetmichel: also it needs quite a bit of "refinement" before it prints good
04:15 PM Loetmichel: ... i know, i have one ;)
04:15 PM XXCoder: is that closed loop steppers?
04:15 PM zeeshan: MrHindsight: pics of bot?
04:15 PM XXCoder: wow the z is alive
04:15 PM zeeshan: hi XXCoder
04:15 PM zeeshan: :D
04:16 PM gloops: how come there are 5 motors?
04:17 PM XXCoder: one of axis is dual steppers
04:17 PM XXCoder: and extruder motor
04:17 PM zeeshan: https://photos.app.goo.gl/0De8NRchfYrQ1HVw2
04:17 PM gloops: ahh right yes
04:17 PM zeeshan: slot accomplished
04:17 PM zeeshan: i dunno why wood workers have invented a new word for a slot
04:17 PM zeeshan: calling it a dado
04:17 PM zeeshan: what kind of nonsense is that
04:21 PM gloops: professional terminology
04:21 PM gloops: so the layman doesnt know what theyre talking about
04:23 PM zeeshan: lol
04:26 PM zeeshan: so this slashdot post is basically saying that they think they tensioned the concrete twise?!?
04:26 PM zeeshan: twice?!
04:27 PM jdh: is the slot the dado or the part in the slot?
04:28 PM Loetmichel: gloops: extruder, x y, 2 steppers for Z
04:28 PM zeeshan: the slot goes into the dado which goes into the part which then goes into the dado and then into the slot
04:29 PM Loetmichel: gloops: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16974&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:29 PM Loetmichel: thats the slightly modified Anet A8
04:29 PM Loetmichel: ( the cable chains and the filament roll holder are not original, i printed them
04:30 PM gloops: the reviews say they are ok really Loet, i didnt think decent printers were that cheap
04:30 PM Loetmichel: also that wooden stick on the y axis is very badly needed
04:30 PM Loetmichel: they have a few issues with stability, being made of black 8mm acrylics mostly
04:30 PM Loetmichel: and you need to upgrade them a bit
04:30 PM Loetmichel: like on the pic
04:31 PM gloops: whats the stick for?
04:31 PM Loetmichel: otherwise they are very good for the price point
04:31 PM XXCoder: zeeshan: why did you need "dado" on it?
04:31 PM Loetmichel: to get enough tension on the y belt
04:31 PM Loetmichel: the plexiglas isnt rigid enough there
04:31 PM zeeshan: there was an old brass strip from where the carpet ended
04:31 PM zeeshan: i have hardwood now, and was lazy to remove that glued in brass strip
04:31 PM XXCoder: ahh
04:32 PM zeeshan: so now this transition fits overtop of it :P
04:32 PM gloops: ahh right, that ebay kit isnt complete anyway so deffo not worth buying
04:35 PM zeeshan: XXCoder: hows the router
04:35 PM zeeshan: make anything cool?
04:36 PM XXCoder: moved 3 months ago, too buay fixing basement so router is stored away for now
04:36 PM zeeshan: ah
04:36 PM zeeshan: new job?
04:36 PM XXCoder: no
04:37 PM XXCoder: from rent house to own
04:37 PM zeeshan: congrads!!
04:38 PM XXCoder: thanks
04:38 PM XXCoder: the house will be fully networked :D
04:39 PM XXCoder: we got lucky at frys
04:39 PM XXCoder: cat6 UTP was half off
05:10 PM gloops: funny times these are
05:11 PM gloops: 2 world wars or 3 including the cold war, and here we are, no wiser, no further away from global thermonuclear armageddon
05:12 PM Deejay: gn8
05:12 PM gloops: nite
06:14 PM zeeshan: https://photos.app.goo.gl/zyyWYFWRzRS9mSDB2 wheel welded :D
06:14 PM zeeshan: had to lay it thick
06:14 PM XXCoder: welcome back heh
06:14 PM zeeshan: my computer crashed :/
06:14 PM Tom_L: covering mistakes?
06:14 PM jdh: they do that.
06:14 PM zeeshan: Tom_L: nah man
06:14 PM XXCoder: plan to grind it flat or does that even matter
06:14 PM zeeshan: i was repairing someone elses piece of shit
06:15 PM zeeshan: the guy had it repaired somewhere else.. they welded it and put jb weld on top
06:15 PM zeeshan: and it cracked again
06:15 PM zeeshan: so i had to clean the whole area out and weld it.. i don't think they drilled the crack end
06:15 PM zeeshan: XXCoder: customer does that
06:15 PM Tom_L: you usin bondo instead?? :D
06:15 PM zeeshan: when he grinds it, itll be smooth
06:15 PM XXCoder: jb weld on wheel?
06:16 PM XXCoder: geez
06:16 PM zeeshan: yea.. its only someones life on the line
06:16 PM zeeshan: and others on the road!
06:16 PM XXCoder: indeed
06:17 PM zeeshan: i told him the only way i'll repair this if he'll say it's going to be used off road only
06:17 PM zeeshan: he told me they're using it for racing
06:17 PM Tom_L: he had any sense he'd get a new wheel
06:17 PM zeeshan: EXACTLY!!
06:18 PM Tom_L: and if he's _really_ racing he'd have wheel locks
06:18 PM zeeshan: Tom_L: machine anything?!
06:19 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/SpeedHandle.jpg
06:19 PM Tom_L: gonna make one of those
06:19 PM zeeshan: speed handle
06:19 PM zeeshan: :D
06:19 PM XXCoder: heh shop has few of mostly lathe made version
06:20 PM XXCoder: just need to mill inside to be hex and andd 3 bolts covered with length of air hose and capped
06:20 PM zeeshan: https://photos.app.goo.gl/rfz1mklXKlKrBNpn1
06:20 PM Tom_L: speaking of car repairs... i gotta go out and look at one right now..
06:20 PM zeeshan: ive been working on this sign for a bit
06:20 PM Tom_L: bbiab
06:20 PM zeeshan: i want a 1:1 version of this
06:20 PM XXCoder: for school or so,ething?
06:20 PM zeeshan: its about 6' in length!
06:21 PM zeeshan: no, for fun
06:21 PM XXCoder: plan a lasetr engrave, router or something
06:21 PM zeeshan: i love the outdoors, so decorating the house
06:21 PM zeeshan: i was thinking of waterjet out of 1/16 aluminum..
06:21 PM XXCoder: if you could do inlays it would rock! 2 differnt colors
06:21 PM zeeshan: yes
06:21 PM XXCoder: alum/bronze inlays
06:21 PM zeeshan: im thinking the back will be a black vinyl ?
06:22 PM zeeshan: initially i was thinking out of wood
06:22 PM zeeshan: but i dont want the house to look rustic
06:22 PM XXCoder: alum with wood inlays?
06:22 PM XXCoder: that way its flat surface
06:30 PM ferdna: can you guys tell me what else do i need to connect the geckodrive GM215
06:30 PM ferdna: ?
06:32 PM JT-Shop: is it a step and direction drive?
06:34 PM ferdna: yes JT-Shop
06:34 PM ferdna: http://www.geckodrive.com/featured-products/gm215-step-motor-motion-controller-44.html
06:35 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=78
06:35 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=86
06:35 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=66
06:35 PM JT-Shop: or
06:35 PM JT-Shop: all the above are or's
06:35 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=98\
06:36 PM JT-Shop: plus
06:36 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=53
06:36 PM JT-Shop: you can pick what fits your pc
06:36 PM ferdna: which one would you recommend?
06:37 PM JT-Shop: they are all good, do you have a pci or pcie slot on your motherboard?
06:37 PM ferdna: pcie
06:37 PM ferdna: so this one: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=86
06:37 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=86
06:37 PM JT-Shop: yup
06:38 PM ferdna: what about this one:
06:38 PM ferdna: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=66
06:38 PM ferdna: that one has ethernet?
06:39 PM JT-Shop: no, it uses the motherboard ethernet port to communicate with the card
06:39 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/info/7i76e.txt
06:39 PM ferdna: ohhh
06:40 PM ferdna: so this is all i need then:
06:40 PM ferdna: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=86
06:40 PM ferdna: that connects to my gecko drivers
06:40 PM ferdna: and geckop drivers to motors
06:41 PM Tom_L: does latency matter on a pcie card?
06:41 PM JT-Shop: yup and a power supply for the gecko drives
06:41 PM JT-Shop: not as much as the parallel port
06:42 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/info/faq.html
06:42 PM ferdna: JT-Shop, one more favor... can you actually look at the gecko driver specs... and confirm... i am really new on this and i just want to make sure...
06:42 PM ferdna: http://www.geckodrive.com/gm215-step-motor-motion-controller.html
06:42 PM JT-Shop: expand the top one
06:43 PM JT-Shop: hmm they have a new one all mine are G203v drives yea it works
06:43 PM JT-Shop: hmm they have added low speed resonance compensation nice
06:43 PM Tom_L: yeah i hadn't heard of that one either
06:44 PM Tom_L: maybe it's better than the 203v
06:44 PM JT-Shop: fpga
06:44 PM JT-Shop: looks like it is better
06:44 PM Tom_L: is it still 10 microstep?
06:44 PM ferdna: okay ordering this one tomorrow then... https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=86
06:44 PM Tom_L: i closed the page
06:44 PM JT-Shop: oh that has a motion controller built in!
06:44 PM ferdna: thank you very much for the info!
06:44 PM Tom_L: huh?
06:45 PM Tom_L: what's that do?
06:45 PM JT-Shop: RUN FROM STORED PROGRAM: The GM215 can run stored motion programs from its non-volatile Flash memory without a computer connected to it. The memory can store over 65,000 coordinates or program lines.
06:45 PM Tom_L: wonder how that works with 2 others connected
06:46 PM JT-Shop: ferdna: better study that drive a bit
06:46 PM Tom_L: yeah
06:46 PM JT-Shop: The GM215 can operate as a conventional STEP and DIRECTION input step motor drive.
06:46 PM JT-Shop: ah it's ok
06:46 PM Tom_L: we know the 203v works, this is a new one
06:46 PM ferdna: JT-Shop, i do not understand any of what you are saying...
06:46 PM andypugh: ferdna: You have decided not to use a parallel port? (Just asking, as you didn’t say that)
06:46 PM JT-Shop: ferdna: what is the voltage of your power supply?
06:47 PM ferdna: andypugh, i am not against it...
06:47 PM ferdna: JT-Shop, i havent decided on one yet
06:47 PM JT-Shop: the G215 is overkill for LinuxCNC the G203V is great and cheaper
06:48 PM Tom_L: like i said in the other channel, i'm using the 7i90 & 7i47S on mine with the gecko G203v drivers
06:48 PM JT-Shop: for < 50v the G251 is just like the G203v but lower voltage
06:49 PM JT-Shop: didn't the G203v used to cost like $170?
06:49 PM Tom_L: i don't remember
06:49 PM Tom_L: try to forget
06:49 PM andypugh: ferdna: If you have a parallel port then you could use that. But if you don’t have a parallel port then I wouldn’t buy one, I would buy a Mesa card.
06:49 PM ferdna: andypugh, i do have a parallel port
06:49 PM ferdna: built into mb
06:50 PM ferdna: andypugh, are you telling me that i can use the gm215 with a parallel port?
06:50 PM ferdna: and nothing else?
06:50 PM andypugh: Probably. YOu would need some wires too.
06:51 PM ferdna: i am confused now...
06:51 PM Tom_L: too much help all at once
06:51 PM Tom_L: there are several ways you can go
06:52 PM ferdna: i just want something that works...
06:52 PM andypugh: Have you already bought the GM215?
06:52 PM Tom_L: what spindle are you using?
06:52 PM Tom_L: will you need something to drive the spindle?
06:52 PM ferdna: andypugh, yes, i just placed the order... because JT-Shop told me that it would work...
06:53 PM ferdna: Tom_L, no, no spindle
06:53 PM andypugh: JT also said it was more than you needed
06:53 PM ferdna: yes
06:53 PM andypugh: How many axes are you driving?
06:53 PM ferdna: 4
06:53 PM ferdna: they are recommending this cable: http://www.geckodrive.com/usb-rs485-cable.html
06:53 PM andypugh: A G540 would probably have been a better bet
06:54 PM ferdna: that one has all of them built in
06:54 PM ferdna: i rather have them separate
06:55 PM jdh: I got a g540 for work. they are *tiny*
06:55 PM andypugh: You won’t need the USB-RS485 cable
06:56 PM andypugh: TBH I think you are rushing in to buying stuff without really knowing what you want.
06:56 PM ferdna: andypugh, yes i am... =\
06:56 PM jdh: I fully support buying lots of stuff that may or may not be useful
06:56 PM ferdna: jdh, lol
06:56 PM ferdna: humans thing
06:56 PM JT-Shop: I wonder if the G540 still has issues with charge pump?
06:57 PM jdh: did it ever really have issues?
06:57 PM jdh: or was that just one persons bad pport?
06:57 PM JT-Shop: yea lots of problems that's why I recommend the G251X
06:57 PM JT-Shop: and 4 of them cost less
06:58 PM jdh: still need a breakout or something?
07:00 PM JT-Shop: I've ran them on the parallel port but I'd rather have something like a 7i76 driving them so I get a lot of I/O
07:00 PM * JT-Shop goes to plug the BP in to see if any smoke comes ou
07:00 PM JT-Shop: t
07:05 PM JT-Shop: ferdna: you need to work out what you need look here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Formulas
07:05 PM JT-Shop: BP is back working yea
07:06 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop did you get your transformer issue worked out?
07:06 PM ferdna: JT-Shop, i am just lost now...
07:07 PM Tom_L: figure out what you need before you get a bunch of stuff you don't need
07:07 PM ferdna: Tom_L, i agree ='(
07:07 PM ferdna: anyways, that gm215 has two modes... motion control mode and step motor drive mode...
07:08 PM ferdna: so i guess what i need is step motor drive mode
07:08 PM Tom_L: everyone's configurations vary to a degree so what works for one may not for someone else
07:08 PM Tom_L: yes, step and direction
07:09 PM ferdna: It can be used as a step and direction input
07:09 PM ferdna: motor drive or as motion control enabled drive
07:09 PM ferdna: from the manual
07:09 PM ferdna: so yes
07:09 PM ferdna: it will work just as a normal one
07:09 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: yes a 480v input control transformer won't take much more than 480v so I found a multi tap transformer with a 500v input tap
07:09 PM Tom_L: ahh, they have 500v 3 phase?
07:10 PM ferdna: ohh found it...
07:10 PM ferdna: The rest of this user's manual is divided into two sections. Use the GM215 STEP MOTOR DRIVE MANUAL if the GM215 is used
07:10 PM ferdna: as a conventional step motor drive.
07:10 PM JT-Shop: ferdna: if you don't need their motion control don't buy the 215
07:10 PM ferdna: i dont
07:10 PM Tom_L: i think he already pulled the trigger on them
07:10 PM ferdna: yes i did tom =S
07:11 PM JT-Shop: ah, can you cancel it?
07:11 PM ferdna: JT-Shop, its saturday =S
07:12 PM JT-Shop: yes I know what day it is, some stores will show the order as pending and you can cancel it
07:12 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: did you see the G213V looks like a digital step up from the G203V
07:12 PM Tom_L: especially if you tell them you want something else instead
07:12 PM Tom_L: no
07:12 PM Tom_L: i'm sure they've improved them
07:13 PM JT-Shop: looks like you can select the native resolution from full, half, 5 and 10 micro
07:13 PM ferdna: okay, so i cancel... and get what?
07:14 PM JT-Shop: 10 works good for me with morphing
07:14 PM Tom_L: yeah
07:14 PM Tom_L: that's default on the 203v
07:14 PM JT-Shop: the G203V is a great stepper drive
07:15 PM ferdna: what about this one?
07:15 PM ferdna: http://www.geckodrive.com/featured-products/g214-55.html
07:16 PM Tom_L: we gave you good advise
07:16 PM Tom_L: the 203v is 121 opposed to 145 too
07:17 PM ferdna: is not too much of a difference...
07:17 PM JT-Shop: yea I get G203V or G213V drives
07:17 PM Tom_L: either one will do the job well
07:18 PM JT-Shop: the G214 looks pretty good too
07:18 PM ferdna: ah fuckit... i'll just keep the gm215... and use them in step direction mode...
07:19 PM * JT-Shop wanders inside to relax now that the BP is back up
07:19 PM Tom_L: good place to stop
07:20 PM JT-Shop: say goodnight Gracie
07:23 PM ferdna: as easy as this...
07:23 PM ferdna: SW1 'ON' Select step motor drive mode operation. In this mode the GM215 acts like a STEP / DIRECTION motor drive and the
07:23 PM ferdna: internal motion controller isn't used
07:52 PM XXCoder: hey guys whats difference between linear and switching power supply
07:54 PM Tom_L: smps is a charge pump driven by a frequency
07:54 PM Tom_L: linear suppy is basically a transformer with a diode pack on the end of it
07:54 PM jdh: linear is heavy, switcher is light
07:54 PM XXCoder: interesting
07:54 PM Tom_L: smps is supposed to be more efficient
07:56 PM XXCoder: I got catalog from mpja.com
07:56 PM XXCoder: interesting site. probably resells chineseium but surpising cheap even for chineseium
07:57 PM XXCoder: HMMMMMM
07:57 PM XXCoder: wonder how repeatable this is http://www.mpja.com/Mag-Switch-SPDT-With-Magnet/productinfo/31514+SW/ lol
08:03 PM jdh: heh, I've been buying from mpja since before there was an internette. used to be catalog only
08:05 PM XXCoder: they apparently has pendants trying to find it though
08:07 PM jdh: I drove within 100 yards of their store yesterday. didn't know they were down here
08:14 PM XXCoder: http://www.mpja.com/Keypad-Switches/products/65/
08:14 PM XXCoder: not bad really
08:14 PM XXCoder: pretty cheap
08:22 PM XXCoder: http://www.mpja.com/Handwheel-Digital-Encoder-100PPR-5VDC/productinfo/33106+MI/
08:22 PM XXCoder: dunno if any good
08:26 PM XXCoder: bomb kit lol http://www.mpja.com/Remote-Control-Key-FOB-Receiver-Board-4-Channel/productinfo/32197+MI/
08:27 PM branjb: I actually have that FOB sitting in a drawer next to me
08:41 PM ferdna: Tom_L, i thought i needed something like this:
08:41 PM ferdna: https://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-6-Axis-DB25-Breakout-Board-Interface-Adapter-MACH3-KCAM4-EMC2-DB25-Cable/121480961528
08:44 PM XXCoder: branjb: for a bomb eh ;)
08:44 PM branjb: I haven't used it for anything
08:44 PM XXCoder: ferdna: thats one I use. its ok.
08:45 PM ferdna: XXCoder, cool
08:45 PM XXCoder: MESA would be better if you have larger or more expensive machine
08:45 PM ferdna: so mesa is the way to gho
08:45 PM XXCoder: but if your machine is cheap or small BOB board and few tb6600 is cheap way to do cnc
08:45 PM ferdna: i see
08:46 PM XXCoder: it depends on your user case
08:54 PM ferdna: XXCoder, my motors are waintai =$
08:55 PM XXCoder: interesting
09:54 PM Tom_L: ferdna, the mesa cards work in a similar way but better
09:54 PM Tom_L: they offload alot of the work onto the fpga on the mesa card
09:55 PM Tom_L: ends up giving you faster step rates and better overall performance
09:57 PM Tom_L: that board will only let you pulse the steppers as fast as the parallel port can where the mesa boards have their own onboard clock which is faster
10:11 PM BeachBumPete: Good lord I think I am gonna Molotov Cocktail this van... :)
10:12 PM XXCoder: drink it till you dont care :P
10:13 PM BeachBumPete: The bitch of it is that if this motor were in a pickup truck and you had to do the same thing it would probably take half the time or less....
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: BeachBumPete: check the resin prices before your buy a formlabs
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: they try to lock you in, simlar to inkjet
10:38 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Hey Captain hindsight I have been researching these things since we first talked about them. None of these in this price range are perfect but from what I gather reading customers reviews speaking to the guys at formlabs and also investigating several other options it appears that they have the best combination of quality, after the sale support, and print size for the money that I could find anywhere.
10:41 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I wish there was another more viable option without having to spend a great deal more money but I simply could not find one. Several of them would not even return my calls or emails after more than a week and a half
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: I must get 4 calls a day about resin for them
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: too expensive
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: someone did hack their cartridges
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: so you can refill them with other resins
10:51 PM CaptHindsight: they offer an open mode, but it's crippled to help you get poor results
10:51 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Yes I'm aware of the cartridges and I was also aware of the people hacking the cartridges, in fact the guy at formlabs told me so.
10:52 PM CaptHindsight: best results and lowest cost is to swap out their controller
10:52 PM beachbumpeteANDR: If you know of a better option one that has the same quality and envelope and also has good after sell support that uses cheaper resins or open-source resins I'm all ears
10:53 PM CaptHindsight: just drive the Z-stepper, the tilt for the stage and the wiper yourself
10:53 PM CaptHindsight: plus the XY galvos
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: took me a few hours to swap the $1k Nobel1 for Mesa and LCNC
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: the Form1,2 are similar
10:54 PM beachbumpeteANDR: You have to realize man that this is not my 3D printer. This is basically going to be sort of a toy for the boss and hopefully we'll be able to print some things useful using it to Aid our business not even sure what that will look like yet but it is what it is. Personally I think $5,000 for a machine like that is insane but he doesn't seem to think it's a big deal, and he likes the idea that if something goes wrong with
10:55 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, I don't know his mind
10:56 PM CaptHindsight: this channel is also logged and other have similar questions
10:56 PM CaptHindsight: can't say you weren't warned :)
10:56 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I was also not happy to hear that the resin trays are expendable items and that you might get two to three prints out of a tray that costs apparently $60 each. You can buy a better tray for around $100 supposedly. It's supposed to last perhaps for five or six prints
10:57 PM CaptHindsight: "He is not selling the keys because firmware updates were made to block the use of the key.
10:57 PM CaptHindsight: If you know the secret handshake the reset tool works fine. Contact the seller for details by email."
10:57 PM CaptHindsight: formlabs know about the hacking and they are trying to block it
10:58 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I appreciate that man, as I said if there is a better option out there we'd love to hear about it. Technically we haven't actually bought it yet as we are putting all of these machines together into one Finance package and putting down a great deal of money on all of it. So speak now or forever hold your peace LOL
10:58 PM XXCoder: I'd argue against trhat printer if I knew more. I hate machines with DRM on it
11:00 PM CaptHindsight: for now DIY gets you the best for the far lowest cost, but that's not an option
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: https://imagebin.ca/v/3vG7IhXpUvZu $500 in parts off ebay
11:02 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I mean if the only complaint is the cost of the resin and the fact that you have to purchase it from them, my boss does not really care about those costs. To him he is far more concerned with the results and as I said being covered for repairs if something happens. According to them if they cannot troubleshoot the problem over the phone, they actually will hot-swap the unit for you and you ship yours to them so they can
11:02 PM CaptHindsight: plus some t-slot
11:03 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Is that a DLP project?
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, but you can also use a laser with galvo
11:04 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Which do you think works better?
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: https://imagebin.ca/v/3vG86ekPqyM4 another angle
11:06 PM CaptHindsight: oops wrong button :)
11:06 PM CaptHindsight: I can use any resin I want
11:06 PM CaptHindsight: the vat doesn't wear out
11:07 PM CaptHindsight: 100um res XY over 192mm x 108mm
11:09 PM beachbumpeteANDR: The form2 is supposed to be a hundred Max and 25 minimum resolution
11:09 PM CaptHindsight: they like to conflate XY with Z resolution
11:10 PM CaptHindsight: you boss wants what he wants
11:10 PM CaptHindsight: I just hear from everybody 3+ months later
11:10 PM CaptHindsight: bbl
11:11 PM beachbumpeteANDR: I watched a video on YouTube where someone who had this printer sent out a model to a commercial printing company that has $100,000 Plus machine and printed the same model with the form2 and they showed in great detail the differences to be honest with you the differences negligible at best
11:14 PM beachbumpeteANDR: Well I guess I'm going to head to bed, get to get up in the morning and continue working on this van. Hopefully not much more to do but it's not running yet so until it is I'll be underneath it... :-(