#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 12 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:43 AM miss0r: mornings
12:46 AM XXCoder: hey miss0r
12:46 AM miss0r: XXCoder: up to anything interresting?
12:46 AM XXCoder: just sorting ebooks, actually just finished with it lol
12:47 AM XXCoder: :)
12:47 AM miss0r: XXCoder: Sounds a bit boring :]
12:48 AM XXCoder: it is
12:48 AM XXCoder: making sure I have complete series, naming and grouping it in series so on
12:50 AM XXCoder: Pern 01: Dragonflight
12:50 AM XXCoder: for example
12:50 AM XXCoder: man I love calibre
12:50 AM miss0r: I have to do boring stuff today as well.. Send a few invoices, calculate a couple of quotes, do boring accounting & order materials ect. I also have a few errands to run; pickup my new facemill & go take some measurements on a machine. If I have some time after this, I will clean up the shop & look at a large bandsaw I bought with resale on my mind
12:51 AM XXCoder: I added custom column "read" that has 3 choices, "in list" (on my kindle), "read" and "unread" (I suppose blank counts as 4th choice, same as tv being off is a channel? lol )
12:52 AM XXCoder: 1090 ebooks would be hell to organize if I didnt have calibre.
12:52 AM miss0r: wow
12:52 AM XXCoder: 672 "read" status. lol
12:52 AM enleth: oh, and the poster should be positioned on the wall right above the lathe chuck, with a realistic image of a vertical splatter-ish blood smear overlaid, printed in glossy deep red ink
12:53 AM miss0r: enleth: For added effect, you could tie a wig filled with ketchup into a rotating chuck
12:54 AM XXCoder: careful, I remember one safety video that was too realistic
12:54 AM miss0r: luckily for me I do not have alot of hair :]
12:54 AM XXCoder: caused few workers to get sick and run out to vomit
12:54 AM XXCoder: and one inguried himself doing that
12:54 AM miss0r: well, then it worked :)
12:54 AM XXCoder: so, it was anti-safety safety videp
12:54 AM miss0r: then it didn't :)
12:55 AM enleth: XXCoder: it wasn't Staplerfahrer Klaus, was it?
12:55 AM XXCoder: dunno?
12:55 AM miss0r: I wonder what a fully automatic hydraulic bandsaw that can cut 300mm will fetch on the used market?
12:55 AM XXCoder: dont need it for youself?
12:56 AM miss0r: sure, but I can't fit it in here
12:56 AM XXCoder: ask a time lord? ;)
12:56 AM miss0r: It takes up 4m^2 of floor space
12:56 AM miss0r: well not... 1.5m x 1.5m
12:57 AM miss0r: also, I don't realy need a fully automatic one, as I don't have any serial production in that magnitude.
12:57 AM XXCoder: true, scale to match shop
12:58 AM miss0r: yeah. Its a realy cool saw. I wouldn't mind having the space. If I did, I would use weather I needed it or not :D
12:59 AM XXCoder: lol slice everything eh ;)
01:00 AM miss0r: wouldn't you just love to just bress go, and it spits out x number of cutoffs within 0.1mm ?
01:05 AM XXCoder: lol cnc slicer
01:06 AM miss0r: sure. But you just type in what you need on the control panel, and a PLC handles the rest
01:07 AM XXCoder: honestly all you need is one axis cnc machine
01:07 AM XXCoder: it moves stop in and out
01:07 AM XXCoder: and "spindle" is slicer up and "resting on stock while cutting"
01:08 AM miss0r: well, This one has two seprate hydraulic jaws. It clamps with one and moves the other further back on the stock to clamp there. Then it opens the first jaw, and moves the workpiece forward.
01:08 AM miss0r: Its a quite clever design
01:08 AM XXCoder: indeed
01:09 AM miss0r: BUT its a 1991 from Taiwan...
01:09 AM miss0r: So i'm not expecting to become rich
01:10 AM miss0r: Truth be told, I would love to own a bandsaw, but this circular saw I have takes up so little space...
01:13 AM XXCoder: teah makes sense
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: morning from rainy germany
02:07 AM gloops: not for me, but if someone is getting joint following error when he tries to go faster, this is mismatched signal frequency - driver frequency, right?
02:08 AM gloops: or probably something of that kind, latency
02:10 AM XXCoder: closed loop. fancy!
02:12 AM gloops: someone is saying hes going to buy mach3 because linuxcnc wont let him go fast enough and the setup was a nightmare < think hes in for a disappointment
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: its always a thing of DO you NEED that SPEED
02:13 AM XXCoder: mach3 is a joke from I see
02:13 AM XXCoder: *what'
02:13 AM gloops: i dont see how installing windows is going to make his machine faster
02:18 AM IchGucksLive: im off later
02:18 AM XXCoder: gloop yeah i have doubts of that
02:19 AM gloops: also UCCNC is based on linuxcnc isnt it?
02:20 AM XXCoder: dunno?
02:21 AM XXCoder: only fork I know of is umm machinekit? forgot name
02:23 AM gloops: ah, thought i saw a discussion in here where people were saying UCCNC was a small group of former linuxcnc developers, might have been something else
02:26 AM XXCoder: good question
02:27 AM XXCoder: checked, yep machinekit is fork of linuxcnc
02:56 AM Deejay: moin
04:52 AM jthornton: morning
04:53 AM XXCoder: hey
04:57 AM jthornton: dang my nas is still resyncing
04:58 AM jthornton: and for some reason this pc is doing a lot of disk thrashing
05:00 AM XXCoder: did JT get trashed? heh
05:24 AM Tom_L: morning
05:25 AM jthornton: morning
05:25 AM XXCoder: welcome back jthornton
05:26 AM Tom_L: 29F
05:27 AM Tom_L: didn't feel like it though, it's calm out right now..
05:34 AM jthornton: we are 33°F
05:34 AM XXCoder: 46f, thats at 3 am
05:36 AM jthornton: chickens got to sleep in an extra hour lol
05:36 AM XXCoder: isnt spring shorter
05:43 AM jthornton: they got up at 4:30 yesterday and today at 5:30
05:51 AM XXCoder: oh lol
06:38 AM jthornton: I think I'll stick the 2TB drive from the NAS in and try installing all this mess again to see if I wrote it all down right lol
07:43 AM miss0r: This new facemill.. woah! I just faced off a 50mm wide part with a depth of 1.5mm, and it left a perfect finish :D
07:43 AM miss0r: aluminium mind you
07:43 AM miss0r: but still
07:44 AM JT-Shop: nice
07:44 AM gregcnc_: the newer style inserts tend to do that
07:44 AM miss0r: And I got a realy good deal on it: buy 30 inserts & get the facemill for free
07:45 AM miss0r: gregcnc_: I just need to get my tooling into this century :)
07:45 AM BeachBumPete: Love a good facemill
07:45 AM miss0r: seriously: it is close to a mirror finish
07:46 AM miss0r: still a pricy piece of kit, but with this material removal rate, I can make up for that in a hurry
07:46 AM miss0r: BUT! now I need to figure out a better enclosure for my mill... This one throws thoes chips a good deal
07:48 AM miss0r: the finish even puts my flycutter to shame :o
07:48 AM gregcnc_: yeah a while back someone didn't get what I was saying about face mill vs fly cutter
07:54 AM gregcnc_: did you just make a matching bracket for the hole spacing?
07:55 AM miss0r: not yet, but that is what I am going to do
07:56 AM gregcnc_: I did find the parameters in the Lathe VFD to get the spindle stopped faster.
07:57 AM miss0r: https://imgur.com/a/QLOKD
07:57 AM gregcnc_: last three errors were motor overheat, so somebody decided to disable DC braking from min to dead stop.
07:57 AM miss0r: This was run dry. I bet it will look nicer with some coolant
07:57 AM gregcnc_: I was going to ask, coolant will improve it
07:58 AM miss0r: indeed. very smooth to the touch :) I think I made a good deal here
07:58 AM miss0r: Also, it takes round and ocktagonal inserts
07:58 AM miss0r: Round for alu, oct. for steel
07:59 AM gregcnc_: I scoured ebay for the 40mm walters I ended up with. I think i paid <50USD each shipped from .de
07:59 AM miss0r: thats cheap
08:00 AM gregcnc_: it's getting harder and harder to find deals on ebay
08:00 AM miss0r: too many people wanting to get in
08:01 AM gregcnc_: search is getting unreliable too
08:02 AM gregcnc_: returns completely irrelevant items at times or just leaves some out
08:03 AM gregcnc_: how do i know it leaves them out? I saw a drill i liked, so i checked sellers items and searched for drill, the one that was listed didn't turn up
08:03 AM gregcnc_: browsing their items it was there
08:13 AM gregcnc_: new cnc fails https://youtu.be/OkdCRnqyuDk
08:21 AM Sabotend_ is now known as Sabotender
08:29 AM miss0r: it pains me to watch that
08:44 AM miss0r: I'm on the lookout for a tool drawer, that can fit under my x-carve. I was hoping for something with 3-4 drawers, that are 800mm deep and 900mm wide, but no taller than 400mm
08:45 AM miss0r: I can't seem to find anything that even resembles thoes measurements, do you guys know of any ?
09:16 AM Loetmichel: *MUHAHA* just came back from a tow thru the whole town... do you remember that i said a coworker complained about "caffee latte" coloured paste instead of oil on his mercedes A-class dipstick? The car just broke down. Whole dasboard lit, starter works, but no ignition whatsoever... good thing i always have a towline in my car... maan, who in his right mind drives a car knowing it has a bad
09:16 AM Loetmichel: head gasket?
10:23 AM gloops: bstrd leak in garage roof, straight on PC, typical
11:00 AM BeachBumPete: ouch..
11:34 AM gloops: wasnt wanting to use it anyway today but darent switch it on now until dried off, to ascertain damage
11:36 AM SpeedEvil: Pour rice into the vents.
11:37 AM SpeedEvil: (more seriously, warm environment at +30C over ambient and lots of flowing air for a couple days
11:39 AM gloops: i dont actually think any water has gone inside, it was on the top of the box and the keyboard (yes another keyboard lol) will have a look tommorrow and get hairdryer on it
11:40 AM gloops: or i hope no water has gone in..
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:53 PM HighInBC: the best thing to do about rain water is to wash it off with pure water
12:53 PM HighInBC: pure water will dry but won't leave little conductive mineral deposits everywhere
12:53 PM HighInBC: that whole rice thing does very little
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: im off gn8 had a hard day in garden
01:03 PM SpeedEvil: Rice is basically a lie, and is essentially never better than elevating the temperature by 30C or more, and adding a fan
01:03 PM gregcnc_: but life hack...
01:04 PM gregcnc_: speedevil you read rcgroups?
01:05 PM gregcnc_: or heard about 1S lipo boat racing?
01:05 PM SpeedEvil: No.
01:06 PM gregcnc_: there is a rc boat straight away racing class only limit is a single cell lipo
01:06 PM gregcnc_: they pull up to 1000A
01:07 PM phaxx: so can one use cells from cars? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/thing/32819230456.html
01:08 PM phaxx: actually, this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/tbh/32530946560.html
01:12 PM BeachBumPete: Just a shot in the dark, anyone here ever ran or have experience with the HAAS GR series of heavy duty flatbed CNC routers/mills? Like the GR510 or similar?
01:17 PM jdh: no.
01:19 PM HighInBC: if you want a cheap bulk desiccant you can get some plain unscented epsom salts and bake them slowly until they puff up like popcorn
01:19 PM HighInBC: the result is an effective, cheap and plentiful desiccant
01:19 PM HighInBC: rice does nothing but use up rice
01:20 PM HighInBC: epsom salt has a whole bunch of water in it as it is
01:20 PM HighInBC: and if you bake the water out it will try to suck it right back
01:20 PM methods_: BeachBumPete: i think the guy that owns the shop next to us has one
01:20 PM methods_: what about it?
01:22 PM BeachBumPete: we are looking at it as a possible option for our shop but they are configured in many different ways apparently
01:23 PM BeachBumPete: we were hoping it could serve dual duty doing metal and wood due to its heavier build than your typical CNC flatbed router. Also it is a HAAS so parts and service should be available. not set on it but was just wondering about it.
01:23 PM methods_: yeah they use it for aluminum
01:23 PM methods_: not really steel
01:23 PM methods_: they don't do any wood on it that i know of
01:24 PM BeachBumPete: I understand it CAN cut steel altho gently
01:24 PM methods_: yeah they said that even on alum they have to take it pretty light
01:24 PM methods_: but that's what they use it for
01:24 PM BeachBumPete: really?
01:24 PM methods_: yeah
01:24 PM BeachBumPete: thats not good
01:24 PM methods_: they don't use it much
01:24 PM BeachBumPete: altho define light LOL
01:24 PM methods_: they just needed it for a few special jobs i guess
01:25 PM BeachBumPete: well the rather huge capacity would be desirable I think.
01:25 PM BeachBumPete: We are also looking at buying say a VF3 or VF4 and a decent flatbed router for JUST wood
01:25 PM methods_: yeah i think any job they do on it is not for production so they don't really care
01:26 PM BeachBumPete: we dont really do much of anything production but want the ability to cut various materials and larger pieces in both wood and metal
01:26 PM methods_: well i would think that would work for that
01:26 PM BeachBumPete: mostly will be architectural and stylistic stuff
01:27 PM BeachBumPete: aside from your typical cutting out cabinet bodies and stuff like that
01:27 PM BeachBumPete: they seem to come setup for metal more often with the slower spindle speeds even tho they are available with 24k spindles.
01:28 PM BeachBumPete: They also have the riser head option for 24" of Z if you want but most I see have the 11" Z setup.
01:28 PM BeachBumPete: 2100 IPM Y, 810X, and 1100 Z
01:28 PM BeachBumPete: not too bad for a machine of its size I think.
01:29 PM BeachBumPete: there are a few videos on youtube of them cutting metal parts and some wood parts.
01:30 PM BeachBumPete: Not sure of too many other options that would be suitable in an all in one machine like that. We may have to just find a VMC and a router seperately. It is an interesting machine tho. Not terribly cheap either.
01:31 PM methods_: i think you can find them used pretty cheap
01:31 PM methods_: but i don't know i've never really priced them out
01:31 PM BeachBumPete: they are like 80-100k used
01:32 PM BeachBumPete: at least from what we have been seeing online and speaking to a few machine tool dealers.
01:33 PM methods_: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Haas-GR-512/222860463887?hash=item33e384cf0f:g:dwYAAOSwW5VahK3r
01:33 PM methods_: $72k
01:33 PM gloops: you looking in the 100k range BBP?
01:34 PM BeachBumPete: we are hoping to find one equipped with their vacuum hold down system already on it. That is not too bad for that price tho. It also has the second highest spindle speed available apparently.
01:36 PM BeachBumPete: bbp?
01:36 PM gloops: BeachBumPete
01:36 PM BeachBumPete: hehe
01:37 PM BeachBumPete: well to be honest we want a CNC solution that can do both our wood and metal need for under 100k whether it means one machine like that or two seperate machines one for wood and one for metal.
01:40 PM gloops: should get fixed up for that
01:46 PM BeachBumPete: I would think so for decent used equipment
01:47 PM fragalot: hi
01:48 PM miss0r: He lives !
01:48 PM fragalot: miss0r: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJgjm_wUso - when I saw the title, I immediately thought of you.. (sorry)
01:48 PM miss0r: It felt empty in here ;)
01:48 PM fragalot: :)
01:48 PM fragalot: was at a friend giving him some advice on what to get for his new audio setup
01:48 PM miss0r: you are only sorry you are not sorry :)
01:49 PM miss0r: if even that :D
01:49 PM fragalot: not even
01:49 PM fragalot: lol
01:50 PM miss0r: I just send my first invoice as a selfemployed today. ~6k eur
01:50 PM fragalot: not bad for a few days work
01:50 PM miss0r: and i'm only 12 days into this. If this keeps up, it might end up(contrary to everyones opinion) being a good buisness
01:51 PM fragalot: it certainly helps if you've already built it up like you have
01:51 PM miss0r: most people i've talked to tells me being selfemployed is all about hard work and low salary.
01:51 PM fragalot: that's because they are in the wrong business
01:51 PM miss0r: Sure. that absolutly helps
01:51 PM fragalot: in the right business it's all about even harder work, but a decent salary too
01:51 PM gregcnc_: hotdog cart
01:52 PM miss0r: I got my 70mm facemill today by the way :) it is doing good :D
01:52 PM fragalot: the only real issue you have as self employed is when you get sick after you opted not to insure against that
01:52 PM fragalot: miss0r: which one did you get?
01:52 PM miss0r: gregcnc_: If I ever do anything like that I want one of thoes small ones that is mounted on your shoulders, like I've seen in berlin
01:53 PM miss0r: fragalot an ARNO FOA-145.063.R05-06
01:54 PM fragalot: never heard of that
01:54 PM miss0r: I got a great deal: buy 30 inserts, get the endmill free
01:54 PM fragalot: so.. Today I might have been able to possibly score something neat
01:54 PM fragalot: 300x400mm copy mill
01:54 PM miss0r: http://www.smiag.ch/p-343-2220460.aspx
01:54 PM fragalot: still need to go see it to see if I want it or not though
01:54 PM miss0r: I thought the chinese bought those before they even made it online :P
01:54 PM fragalot: miss0r: that is a good deal!
01:55 PM fragalot: are they accurate?
01:55 PM miss0r: compared to a banana, absolutly
01:55 PM fragalot: or is it like my super economic chinese one that has 1 cutting insert and 7 spares?
01:55 PM miss0r: nah, its pretty good :)
01:55 PM gregcnc_: arno is good stuff.
01:56 PM miss0r: I did, however, get a bit wobble when I stood it on the granite surface plate. I'll need to ajust that at some point
01:56 PM gregcnc_: it hard to tell these days who actually make what even in their own product lines
01:56 PM miss0r: but for now it is making chips like crazy
01:57 PM miss0r: I don't care if it is dropforged in a hole in someones backyard, as long as the product is good
01:57 PM miss0r: speaking of chips, I need to go start another program on the cnc (The part I fscked up earlier(holespacing one))
01:58 PM gregcnc_: Arno USA is not far from here actually
01:58 PM fragalot: miss0r: gotta keep that spindle time up!
01:58 PM fragalot: :--
02:00 PM miss0r: fragalot: yeah ! it ain't gonna break itself !!
02:04 PM miss0r: ahhh, it sounds alot better now that i've replaced the endmills
02:05 PM miss0r: I guess I'm getting cheap. I almost wore the 10mm endmill 0.05mm on the OD :]
02:06 PM fragalot: what you need is a mill like mine
02:06 PM fragalot: that thing won't LET you wear them that hard
02:07 PM miss0r: too much weeble wobble ?
02:07 PM fragalot: indeed.
02:07 PM miss0r: I wish for you to get a proper mill :] I think it would do you good. So, how is this epoxy comming along ? :)
02:08 PM fragalot: 2 weeks LT
02:08 PM miss0r: LT ?
02:08 PM fragalot: many experiments to do
02:08 PM fragalot: Lead-Time
02:08 PM miss0r: indeed
02:08 PM fragalot: also still need to draw up the metal insert bits & get those ordered
02:08 PM miss0r: Please let me know if you need something special machined for it :) I would love to pitch in
02:09 PM fragalot: miss0r: how about I just draw up all of the metal parts & have you make me a quote xD
02:09 PM miss0r: I can do that ;)
02:09 PM miss0r: But I'm not sure you'd like the price :D
02:09 PM gregcnc_: that takes out half the fun
02:10 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: you mal have to sit before reading said quote though ;)
02:10 PM Loetmichel: may
02:10 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: I fully expect large numbers regardless of where I get the materials from
02:10 PM gloops: there'll be plenty of machine work when ww3 kicks off soon
02:10 PM Loetmichel: hihi, miss0r: we think the same way ;)
02:12 PM miss0r: ;)
02:12 PM miss0r: fragalot: send me the drawings, and i'll have a look at it. I'll even give you a good price, if you don't mind waiting a bit for it (I can fill in holes with your order)
02:13 PM miss0r: bah... I realy need to rethink this enclosure i build for the mill. It is fine for the most part, but this new facemill can realy throw thoes chips a long way!
02:15 PM XXCoder: build a room for it ;)
02:16 PM miss0r: XXCoder: We've had this talk before.. I HAVE NO SPARE SPACE TO USE :D
02:16 PM fragalot: I wish fusion360 had a "hole table" feature
02:16 PM miss0r: must you rub it in :D
02:16 PM XXCoder: well thats why I said BUILD a room lol
02:17 PM fragalot: miss0r: time is the one thing I have lots of :-)
02:20 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/house/trackpress.JPG
02:20 PM skunkworks: the big holes are 1.75"
02:20 PM skunkworks: *tapped holes
02:20 PM gloops: (news here wall to wall bs about russian nerve agent and stiff retaliation)
02:21 PM skunkworks: the 1.75" holes were thread milled - the 1 inch holes were rigid tapped
02:22 PM gloops: whats that for skunkworks? looks like a decent job
02:23 PM skunkworks: end cap for cylinder (pressing track pins)
02:23 PM miss0r: fragalot: to save money, you could send me the drawings in MasterCam X5 ;)
02:23 PM miss0r: so I don't have to redo them
02:23 PM fragalot: miss0r: what format does that take?
02:23 PM fragalot: STL?
02:24 PM fragalot: DXF?
02:25 PM miss0r: fragalot: https://imgur.com/a/BwnU7
02:25 PM miss0r: THAT and postScript files
02:25 PM fragalot: alright
02:26 PM fragalot: makes my life easier too because 2D drawings are hell in f360
02:26 PM miss0r: I know I said otherwise, but importing 3D parts in mastercam is a pain. So good'ol workdrawings is what I prefere
02:27 PM miss0r: Most parts I can draw within a few minuts, if they are not too complicated
02:28 PM miss0r: most of what I get here are drawings made on napkins with ketchup & coffee stains for added effect. The good ones smell of fries :P
02:28 PM fragalot: it's all just 20mm tooling plate with counterbored holes punched in
02:29 PM miss0r: how big ?
02:29 PM fragalot: I'll just dredge through & make the workdrawings in PDF or maybe DXF if I can
02:29 PM fragalot: longest part is 40x800x20, biggest plate is 290x415
02:31 PM fragalot: it's basically going to be everything that isn't epoxy, or part of the motion train.. http://a360.co/2sq5LP6
02:31 PM miss0r: i'll have issues with the 800
02:31 PM fragalot: inserts in epoxy not shown
02:31 PM fragalot: the 800 is not critical, I can drill those in-place
02:31 PM miss0r: My x movement is limited at 510
02:32 PM fragalot: just need a flat bar for that, it's just something to cast in the bed & gantry
02:33 PM miss0r: alright
02:33 PM fragalot: I'll see if I can get the drawings made up some time this weekend
02:34 PM miss0r: Theres the first run on the new bracket done. Now I just need to add the two holes WITH 36MM BETWEEN THEM!
02:34 PM fragalot: I'm fairly sure there are still bits that need tweaking, like the motor mounts.. I don't like those
02:34 PM * fragalot waits for miss0r to make 36mm holes
02:35 PM gloops: some cheap cast iron here, unfortunately in the round https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2083259528630533
02:35 PM miss0r: I will debur the part first, to make sure I've put enough work into it to get pissed it it doesn't work :D
02:35 PM fragalot: lol
02:46 PM miss0r: lol! almost did something i'd regret...
02:46 PM fragalot: ?
02:47 PM miss0r: The holes on the bracket were spaced 36, and the holes on the linear support are 30 apart... so it needs to be 30!!!! NOT 36!
02:47 PM miss0r: close one
02:47 PM miss0r: I don't know why these two holes are so hard for me :D
02:47 PM fragalot: wait
02:47 PM fragalot: wasn't your last one 30?
02:47 PM fragalot: or was the last one 36
02:48 PM miss0r: the last one was 36, it should've been 30
02:48 PM miss0r: err.. it should've been 36. so 'should' the holes on the linear support, but I drilled them 30 for some reason
02:48 PM miss0r: so, NOW the bracket needs to be 30
02:49 PM gregcnc_: clear as mud
02:49 PM fragalot: xD
02:50 PM miss0r: Posting the code to the mill now
02:51 PM miss0r: Going to start it now, fingers crossed
02:51 PM gregcnc_: push the money button
02:51 PM gregcnc_: whether is makes or cost is a different story
02:52 PM fragalot: xD
02:57 PM miss0r: horay! it fits :D
02:57 PM miss0r: I managed to fit two holes together. My work here is done
02:58 PM miss0r: I should quit while i'm ahead, it can only go down hill from here
02:59 PM fragalot: that was the last bracket anyway wasn't it?
02:59 PM miss0r: the last mounting bracket. Theres still alot of parts to be machined for this one
03:00 PM miss0r: Like the catching mechanism. the cute little timing belt lock, i've yet do draw. And I need to turn some belt guides as well. I should get some TPFE rod tomorrow
03:01 PM miss0r: The belt lock.. I think that is a nice project for my desktop cnc. A small part with ALOT of details.
03:03 PM fragalot: what details other than a flat timing belt profile are there?
03:05 PM miss0r: side supports, and two guide pins & a bolt hole
03:05 PM miss0r: so... not THAT complicated :D its just alot of small details
03:07 PM miss0r: it is a lock & the place where two belt ends meet
03:08 PM miss0r: I think i'll need to run a finish pass with a 1mm endmill, to get the result I want
03:08 PM fragalot: or several 1mm endmills
03:08 PM fragalot: :P
03:09 PM miss0r: most likely, yes :D
03:09 PM miss0r: luckily for me I have enough 1mm carbide endmills to feet pigs with em
03:11 PM fragalot: high speed fodder
03:11 PM fragalot: let me try that again
03:11 PM fragalot: HSM; high speed meals
03:12 PM miss0r: :D I have a friend working in a large tool shop, where they use ALOT of small endmills. I even have a few 0.1mm 4 flute endmills in carbide from him
03:12 PM fragalot: I've got a few of those lying around too
03:12 PM miss0r: They are used 125 minuts, regardless of what they are cutting. So he graps the ones that are not worn and gives them to me :D
03:13 PM fragalot: to be honest, I only use them as drill bits as the mini cnc mill has more play in it than that xD
03:13 PM miss0r: A pretty good buisness model on my behalf, I must say
03:13 PM fragalot: hehe
03:13 PM miss0r: 0.1mm drills ?
03:13 PM fragalot: miss0r: yes
03:13 PM miss0r: that takes a steady hand :D
03:13 PM fragalot: or a high rpm pillar drill :P
03:13 PM miss0r: hehe yeah
03:14 PM miss0r: What do you use the 0.1mm holes for?
03:14 PM fragalot: PCB's
03:14 PM fragalot: at work they machine parts though that have even smaller holes in them; I still don't understand how they manage to make what they make
03:14 PM miss0r: sure... but 0.1 ? what components even use something that small?
03:15 PM fragalot: miss0r: via's
03:15 PM miss0r: ahh indeed
03:15 PM miss0r: Is been a while since I did a PCB, thou.. I haven't had the need of late
03:16 PM fragalot: been ages for me too.. so cheap to outsource these days it's not worht it anymore
03:16 PM fragalot: even for hobby use
03:16 PM miss0r: unless you want it NAOW! which is often the case with me :)
03:16 PM fragalot: well with PCB's "NOW!" means spending several hours making it
03:17 PM fragalot: whilst you could also just enter the order online & get it next day
03:17 PM fragalot: and have it made with a good solder mask on it, and nice printing
03:18 PM miss0r: sure.. but next day isn't realy 'NAOW!'
03:21 PM fragalot: https://imgur.com/gallery/C4FNOMA < ha.
03:23 PM miss0r: Nice :D
03:23 PM miss0r: I would just have it feed directly into my mouth, right after its passed under the liquid chokolate fountain :D
03:25 PM fragalot: molten nutella?
03:31 PM miss0r: something like that :D
03:36 PM miss0r: fragalot: This is what I want the locking part to look like: https://imgur.com/a/pa1cW
03:36 PM fragalot: where are you going to tension it?
03:37 PM fragalot: and you may be missing a fillet or 4, :P
03:37 PM miss0r: That is the lower part. The hole in the middle is actualy a 5mm thread. so that part there will be pulled up onto a flat
03:37 PM miss0r: sure... the cam software will take care of that.
03:37 PM fragalot: I meant belt tension; what you showed works great for holding on to the belts
03:38 PM fragalot: miss0r: if you remember to add it to the mating piece, yes
03:38 PM miss0r: ahh. The belt tensioning is done at the motor end
03:38 PM miss0r: the nema 23 motor mount allows for the motor to slide 15mm, to tension the belt
03:39 PM fragalot: personally though I think 2 pieces to lock the belt on would be preferred
03:39 PM fragalot: so you can bolt down one end of the belt, and then bolt on the 2nd
03:39 PM fragalot: otherwise you may need 3 hands
03:39 PM miss0r: That is true. but space is an issue here
03:40 PM miss0r: it always seem to be. also; making this part bigger/ distributing it on two places, will reduce my travel, I don't want that either
03:40 PM fragalot: do you have some width available?
03:40 PM romar: Hi, is there an example for fixed position auto tool changer configuration incl. tool length probe routine to correct Z length?
03:41 PM miss0r: fragalot: yeah, 16mm
03:41 PM miss0r: and this part is 15 :]
03:41 PM fragalot: miss0r: this is the design of the oens I use on my 3D printer: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2249112
03:41 PM fragalot: ah... that's out then, lol
03:42 PM miss0r: Some idiot designed it that way, thinking thats plenty of room :]
03:42 PM fragalot: add room for temporary clamps then
03:42 PM miss0r: I don't think it will be bad realy, the belt is completely untensioned when I insert them into that part
03:42 PM fragalot: the person servicing the belt will thank you. (eg. yourself)
03:42 PM fragalot: I guess it depends on how long it is & how hard it pulls
03:43 PM miss0r: The belt is only 950mm, and it does not pull when it is installed there. You can simply loosen the motor tensioning
03:43 PM fragalot: k :)
03:44 PM miss0r: I'm hoping this linear rail will look nice when it is done. I'm putting alot of effort into it
03:44 PM miss0r: the belt rides inside the rail support, so it won't be visible from the side at all
03:44 PM fragalot: got a picture of progress so far?
03:45 PM miss0r: I could take one, 2 sec
03:46 PM fragalot: romar: no idea, sorry.. I know that there was work done on a rack toolchanger add-on about 8 years ago, but I can't find any updates related to it
03:49 PM miss0r: fragalot: https://imgur.com/a/0weDy
03:51 PM fragalot: looks very over-engineered. love it.
03:51 PM Tom_L: log reading.. fragalot 360 doesn't have good patterns?
03:52 PM miss0r: noone in their rig.... Noone who shares our mindset would not love it
03:52 PM fragalot: Tom_L: hm?
03:52 PM Tom_L: just catching up on the logs
03:52 PM Tom_L: you said something about hole patterns in 360
03:52 PM fragalot: I can't remember where I put my shoes when I came home, let alone remember what I said 5 minutes ago on IRC
03:52 PM fragalot: ah yes
03:52 PM fragalot: when making 2D working drawings
03:52 PM miss0r: I think that'll be it for me for tonight. See you around
03:53 PM fragalot: you have to manually put a dimension on each and every hole.. twice.
03:53 PM fragalot: cya miss0r
03:53 PM Tom_L: even the one in model looks limited compared to what i'm used to
03:53 PM Tom_L: some you can have uneven spacing etc really quick
03:54 PM fragalot: you can't even do that in the full autodesk inventor package
03:54 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Y_Axis_Plate2.jpg
03:54 PM Tom_L: those were all driven from one hole
03:55 PM fragalot: is that uneven spacing, or simple "exclude these ones" ?
03:55 PM Tom_L: uneven
03:55 PM fragalot: can't do that afaik.
03:55 PM Tom_L: i may have used 2 holes
03:55 PM Tom_L: because some were flipped
03:56 PM gloops: dont you do those hole layouts with an array?
03:57 PM Tom_L: yes but uneven spacing
03:57 PM fragalot: if the spacing is fixed, yes
03:57 PM gloops: ahh you want uneven spacing
03:57 PM Tom_L: catia will let you do that
03:57 PM Tom_L: :)
03:57 PM Tom_L: it's awesome
03:58 PM gloops: i probably wont need hole arrays heh
03:58 PM Tom_L: never say never
03:58 PM gloops: no youre right
03:59 PM Tom_L: it will also let you hide some if you need to
03:59 PM gloops: i might cnc a metal mill one day, i doubt ill be alive at 130 though lol
03:59 PM fragalot: that's a standard feature everywhere though
03:59 PM Tom_L: it should be
04:00 PM gloops: so copy/paste set location of every hole
04:00 PM fragalot: that takes ages and is difficult to adjust later
04:01 PM gloops: its more work, wouldnt say ages though
04:01 PM fragalot: time is money
04:02 PM gloops: 4 minutes?
04:02 PM fragalot: if it's just 4 holes, sure
04:02 PM fragalot: but if you're plopping holes and features in parts all day
04:02 PM fragalot: those 4 minutes add up fast
04:02 PM gloops: i dont want that kind of work haha
04:04 PM Tom_L: most of them will do a simple grid fine
04:05 PM Tom_L: yeah you need that extra 4 min to waste here
04:05 PM gloops: Tom has about 40 holes in that piece, even if the groups arent evenly spaced, the blocks of 4 are, thats not a big job to duplicate those arrays and give them locations
04:06 PM gloops: alls im saying is, i dont work to the minute, not my kind of thing, chasing minutes all day
04:06 PM Tom_L: and at the time all i had was the sherline so i had to do those in 2 programs
04:06 PM Tom_L: barely fit even then
04:06 PM fragalot: xD
04:07 PM Tom_L: at least i have room to stretch a bit now :)
04:07 PM fragalot: gloops: sure, patterns just make it harder to make a mistake, and make it much easier to adjust later on
04:07 PM fragalot: it also adds the correct constraints to ensure alignment
04:08 PM gloops: well, you know what youre doin
04:10 PM gloops: ill have a closer look at fusion some day, they dropped artcam though so even less reason for me to be interested, if i did need constrained accurate drawings id probably go with freecad
04:11 PM fragalot: once freecad evolves further, i may look at it again
04:11 PM fragalot: but until at least assemblies are introduced, it does not suit me
04:15 PM gloops: i drew a 2 part mold for these in freecad a couple of years ago http://extracarp.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/exc-method-connector2.jpg
04:15 PM gloops: perfect, never used the drawing though
04:19 PM Tom_L: just depends on the needs really
04:19 PM Tom_L: having assemblies is handy for part setups
04:20 PM roycroft: freecad is still really weird
04:20 PM roycroft: and i still haven't found a good tutorial that addresses the weirdness
04:20 PM gloops: weird people like me like it lol
04:21 PM fragalot: Tom_L: or making sure the parts you drew actually fit together
04:21 PM Tom_L: all the autodesk packages seem odd to me but could be a good workable solution
04:21 PM roycroft: weird is not necessarily bad
04:21 PM roycroft: although in your case, gloops ... :)
04:22 PM gloops: youll get the hang of it some day roycroft
04:22 PM Tom_L: fragalot doing the mill in cad saved me a couple times for sure
04:23 PM gloops: i remember the cad drawings Tom, i didnt bother with that, mainly because id have to learn how to do it, luckily i didnt hit any major design obstacle (yet)
04:24 PM Tom_L: it's not for everybody but i knew it and have the tools
04:25 PM Tom_L: i'm looking over F360 just to learn really
04:25 PM fragalot: i'm using it because i no longer have access to the autodesk enterprise setup I used to have at work
04:25 PM gloops: seems the standard app diy users use in the facebook groups
04:25 PM fragalot: and f360 is familliar enough.. but still far from a replacement
04:26 PM Tom_L: if it were a car, it would be a base model
04:26 PM fragalot: just above pedal powered
04:27 PM Tom_L: so freecad is still peddling?
04:27 PM fragalot: at the moment freecad is like the flintstones car
04:27 PM Tom_L: hah
04:28 PM gloops: the others seem to have gone to the wall, heekscnc etc
04:29 PM gloops: freecad still getting commits though regularly, baby steps
04:30 PM fragalot: large projects like that just need time
04:30 PM gloops: the base is in Brazil i think, or somewhere down there
04:30 PM seb_kuzminsky: freecad 0.17 should be coming out this year, with better assembly support and the new CAM feature ("Path workbench")
04:31 PM gloops: good, i still like it
04:31 PM Tom_L: open post modifications?
04:31 PM Tom_L: i would assume so
04:32 PM Tom_L: i'm trying to figure where to add fixture offsets to mine
04:32 PM gloops: yes, sliptronic is a contributer, and ichsgucks also now i think
04:32 PM Tom_L: in the template
04:32 PM Tom_L: yeah he is
04:37 PM gloops: any more tests with steel Tom?
04:40 PM pink_vampire: hi
04:40 PM fragalot: hey
04:40 PM pink_vampire: I want to start tig weld some stuff
04:40 PM fragalot: go for it
04:41 PM gloops: youll love it
04:41 PM pink_vampire: and i'm not sure what helmet to get
04:42 PM pink_vampire: i know the 4 sensors are better then the 2
04:42 PM gloops: just a welding mask
04:42 PM pink_vampire: but what brands are good
04:43 PM fragalot: most brands will be about the same, except if you go to the high-end stuff
04:43 PM gloops: murex
04:43 PM pink_vampire: i saw the 3m speedglass on amazon
04:44 PM pink_vampire: and om local stores i see most of the time the lincolen electe
04:44 PM roycroft: i'm partial to jackson helmets myself
04:44 PM gloops: https://www.lightinthebox.com/argon-arc-welding-mask-welding-face-mask-of-solar-energy-fully-automatic-light-changing-welding-protection-face-mask_p5101853.html?currency=GBP&litb_from=bing_shopping&utm_source=bingshopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=bingshopping&msclkid=1537dc9b72d1165bbece863d869b38dc
04:44 PM roycroft: a good, reliable self-darkening helmet, regardless of brand, is going to cost $250-$300 new
04:45 PM fragalot: I'm still using my 10yr old contimac helmet.. no batteries and no annoying buttons on the inside of the helmet
04:45 PM roycroft: if you don't need the auto self-darkening feature you can get one for <$100
04:45 PM fragalot: but I wouldn't use it for production use
04:45 PM roycroft: don't get one from harbor freight
04:45 PM roycroft: it will put your eye out when it fails
04:45 PM roycroft: probably both of your eyes
04:45 PM roycroft: and then you will be very sad
04:46 PM gloops: or a better one https://www.boconlineshop.com/shop/en/uk/3m-trade;-speedglas-9100-series-welding-shields?msclkid=2ca77e44843314e0bb0024e27097d537&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=RM%20-%20Shopping%20-%20Main&utm_term=4574930444745615&utm_content=All%20Products&gclid=CMGq_tPg59kCFQWOhQodIlEKTQ&gclsrc=ds
04:46 PM fragalot: gloops: please don't recommend those cheap helmets
04:46 PM gloops: i dont use either, i use an old one
04:46 PM roycroft: hmm, it looks like the good auto-darkening ones have come down quite a bit in price
04:47 PM fragalot: the speedglass are nice if you can afford them, my only complaint is that the batteries always ran out on me when I needed it, and the buttons kinda sucked being on the inside
04:47 PM gregcnc_: are miller or lincoln tig reliable enough to risk buying second hand?
04:47 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/Jackson-Safety-SmarTIGer-Technology-46139/dp/B01HTMLSOI/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1520891115&sr=1-3-spons&keywords=jackson+welding+helmet&psc=1
04:48 PM roycroft: that's similar to what i have
04:48 PM roycroft: the old transformer based ones are rock solid, gregcnc_
04:48 PM roycroft: they will last forever
04:48 PM gregcnc_: no roon for that
04:48 PM roycroft: just make sure you have a forklift to move it
04:48 PM gregcnc_: room
04:49 PM roycroft: and a YUUUUUUUUUUUGE power feed
04:49 PM roycroft: the inverter ones are a crapshoot used, no matter what the brand
04:49 PM roycroft: i am very happy with my everlast powertig
04:49 PM roycroft: it costs new less than used blue or red ones usually go for
04:50 PM fragalot: roycroft: some inverter ones are a crapshoot new too
04:50 PM gloops: i prefer gas, but getting a bit unsociable to keep acetylene bottles now
04:50 PM roycroft: i have this:
04:50 PM roycroft: https://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/tig-stick/powertig-250ex
04:50 PM roycroft: plus this necessary accessory:
04:50 PM roycroft: https://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/power-cool-w300-240v
04:50 PM roycroft: fragalot: everlast come with a 5 year warranty
04:51 PM roycroft: oh, and btw
04:51 PM roycroft: the miller and lincoln inverter welders are made in china
04:51 PM roycroft: just like the everlast
04:51 PM gregcnc_: oh
04:52 PM roycroft: i'm not sure where esab are made
04:52 PM roycroft: but i'd guess china
04:52 PM roycroft: in the same factoy as everlast, lincoln, and miller
04:52 PM roycroft: factory
04:52 PM gregcnc_: it should run light gauge without the cooler?
04:52 PM fragalot: isn't the cooler for the torch?
04:52 PM roycroft: yes, the cooler is for the torch
04:52 PM roycroft: and you can run without it
04:53 PM roycroft: your welding hand might get rather hot after a while if you don't have the cooler
04:53 PM roycroft: but if you
04:53 PM roycroft: are only welding light stuff, and not continuous duty, the cooler is not that necessary
04:53 PM fragalot: depends on if you run at full power and/or continuously
04:53 PM gregcnc_: sure
04:55 PM pink_vampire: sorry for the disconnection - i'm at the car
04:55 PM * fragalot idly wonders if pink_vampire got her answer
04:57 PM roycroft: you can tig weld with a car battery if you can't afford a real welder
04:57 PM pink_vampire: i saw the link but the price is scary cheap
04:57 PM roycroft: you won't be happy
04:57 PM roycroft: but you can do it
04:57 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: the one roycroft linked?
04:57 PM gloops: theres nothing like putting a nice steady run down with gas, no flash, no noise, just a warm glow and that pleasing sound of the flame
04:57 PM gloops: you cant beat gas
04:57 PM fragalot: gloops: there's no noise with DC TIG either
04:57 PM pink_vampire: i think it was gloops
04:57 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: ignore gloops's link
04:58 PM fragalot: https://www.amazon.com/Jackson-Safety-SmarTIGer-Technology-46139/dp/B01HTMLSOI/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1520891115&sr=1-3-spons&keywords=jackson+welding+helmet&psc=1
04:58 PM fragalot: either that, or the speedglass from 3M
04:58 PM roycroft: s/\'s link// :)
04:58 PM gloops: that was just an example pink_vampire, i posted it because the helmet looked snazzy
04:58 PM roycroft: the one i have was expensive
04:59 PM roycroft: but i consider my eyes to be priceless
04:59 PM roycroft: which makes the welding helmet cheap
04:59 PM fragalot: you only get 2.
04:59 PM roycroft: i really like how comfortable my jackson is
04:59 PM gloops: flash wont blind you, it isnt a good thing though
04:59 PM pink_vampire: do you think the speedglass will work on small head?
05:00 PM roycroft: also, one can add magnifying lenses inside the jackson, that can be positioned on the top or bottom
05:00 PM roycroft: i'm sure other high end helmets have that feature as well
05:00 PM fragalot: roycroft: I find that annoys me more than it helps
05:00 PM roycroft: when you're old like me that is nice
05:00 PM fragalot: messes up my depth perception
05:00 PM roycroft: i don't have to wear reading glasses under the welding helmet
05:01 PM pink_vampire: and also, the speedglass is from 2013..
05:01 PM roycroft: fragalot: if i don't have that magnification or reading glasses on i'd be lucky to hit the work at all
05:01 PM pink_vampire: so...
05:01 PM fragalot: roycroft: haha
05:01 PM roycroft: unless i'm welding at arm's length
05:01 PM roycroft: time to go home
05:01 PM JT-Shop: yea I got paid today
05:01 PM roycroft: and it's a glorious 20 degrees out :)
05:01 PM fragalot: time for me to get to bed
05:01 PM fragalot: gnite all
05:01 PM Deejay: gn8
05:02 PM gloops: nice one JT-Shop
05:02 PM gloops: have you done any arc welding before pink_vampire?
05:03 PM pink_vampire: ni
05:03 PM gloops: ahh
05:03 PM pink_vampire: no*
05:04 PM gloops: if you look at the arc without protection, it burns a layer of skin off your eyes
05:05 PM pink_vampire: i know i need a mask
05:07 PM gloops: it will probably happen anyway sometime heh, but i dont think you have to spend massive amounts on a mask, maybe ask at the welding supplies store, theyll have a standard item the local welders use
05:11 PM pink_vampire: i saw that lowes sell the Kobalt brand and lincolen electroc
05:12 PM gloops: not brands im familiar with, im in the UK
05:13 PM pink_vampire: mmmm
05:16 PM pink_vampire: 400mm/min
05:17 PM pink_vampire: what do i need to looking for in a good welding helmet?
05:18 PM pink_vampire: did you ever use the grinding mode ?
05:26 PM JT-Shop: auto darkening with different levels of dark is good
05:28 PM JT-Shop: Lincoln has been around for a long time
05:37 PM JT-Shop: pink_vampire: very important is the ability to get replacement clear shields
05:50 PM Tom_L: are the high quality self darkening ones alot faster than the cheap ones?
05:52 PM JT-Shop: I think some features are number of shades of dark, number of arc sensors and comfort items like a good headband
05:54 PM gloops: i use an old one, fixed density glass, mainly because thats what ive always used, and also because i dont like spending money
05:55 PM enleth: any hints on flushing old oil out of a ballscrew/ballnut assembly? just wash it with solvents and let it dry?
05:55 PM JT-Shop: I'd flush it with oil
05:56 PM JT-Shop: I'd only use solvent if disassembled
05:57 PM Tom_L: i think you're asking for trouble if you disassemble a ballscrew
05:57 PM JT-Shop: yep
05:57 PM Tom_L: practically begging...
05:57 PM JT-Shop: unless your fitting oversize balls
05:57 PM * JT-Shop wanders inside to get the wings ready to cook
06:01 PM JT-Shop: 3 pullets went on strike today
06:01 PM enleth: JT-Shop: I'm worried about oil compatibility, and specifically a reaction between additives in the old and new oils - I suspect the previous owner used whatever they had at hand instead of a proper ISO 68 way oil to lubricate this machine
06:01 PM enleth: that stuff they used turned into a gel in some places
06:01 PM JT-Shop: just flush the crap out of it
06:01 PM gloops: we had the ultra lite option for tea, wafer thin steak slices on sandwiches, now im bloody starving
06:02 PM JT-Shop: oh gel crap
06:02 PM enleth: I've read about some oil additives doing that between completely incompatible oils
06:02 PM JT-Shop: I've not had a thing to eat all day but one boiled egg
06:02 PM enleth: like, if they used motor oil or something
06:03 PM JT-Shop: I guess if you don't move it while flushing kerosene might work it's an oil after all
06:04 PM enleth: other than the ball screws and nuts nuts, I cleaned absolutely everything in that mill with an industrial water-based degreaser, then a bunch of solvents, down to completely dry bare steel and iron, and re-coated immediately with fresh way oil of correct grade
06:04 PM enleth: right, kerosene could work
06:06 PM enleth: truth be told, I did re-ball a couple ball nuts before, but the maintenance manual pretty much shouts at the reader, with all caps, exclamation marks and caution markers, that the ball nut assemblies are certain to be irreversibly destroyed if taken apart
06:07 PM enleth: I guess they might have used more than one ball size in a sequence or something like that, which is difficult to keep track of on disassembly and moreso to put together right
06:08 PM enleth: the nuts I did in the past were much smaller and simpler
06:21 PM Tom_L: what are you using for oil?
06:22 PM Tom_L: vactra 2?
06:22 PM jthornton: wow this second 4TB drive is taking for ever to sync
06:22 PM jthornton: says 24 more hours and 71% done
06:22 PM Tom_L: ssd
06:22 PM Tom_L: :)
06:23 PM jthornton: yea, how much is a 4TB SSD?
06:23 PM Tom_L: i got a few 1TB ones
06:23 PM Tom_L: no idea
06:23 PM jthornton: I swapped my 2TB NAS drives for 4TB drives
06:23 PM Tom_L: alot more than i'm gonna spend right now
06:23 PM jthornton: ya me too
06:24 PM Tom_L: i did get a M2 tb though
06:24 PM jthornton: well the missus is taking care of the chicken wings yea
06:24 PM jthornton: I have a couple of m.2 drives
06:24 PM Tom_L: why you swapin drives?
06:25 PM jthornton: I have 1.3TB of data on the drives so time to get more space
06:25 PM jthornton: this pc has one of the 2TB drives atm
06:26 PM Tom_L: one pc shares 3 but it dual boots 32 and 64bit with a data drive to share
06:27 PM jthornton: I delivered that cleaner Thursday and I'm still trying to tune it in... what a pia
06:27 PM Tom_L: the rock tumbler?
06:27 PM Tom_L: :)
06:27 PM jthornton: aye
06:28 PM jthornton: I'll be glad when that is done
06:29 PM jthornton: it's been a PIA from the get go but when done a really good pay day :)
06:29 PM enleth: Tom_L: ISO 68 way oil guaranteed to be compatible with Vactra 2
06:29 PM Tom_L: just curious, i need to come up with something
06:30 PM Tom_L: probably won't need too much
06:30 PM jthornton: is it normal to use way oil in a ball screw?
06:30 PM Tom_L: i dunno
06:30 PM enleth: JT-Shop: Bridgeports do, they only have one oiling system that oils ways and ballscrews from the same tank
06:30 PM Tom_L: i figure if you don't mix it, it's a lubricant
06:30 PM jthornton: enleth, ah that makes sense
06:31 PM Tom_L: those with auto oilers probably share i'm sure
06:31 PM enleth: OK, I have the Z ballscrew out of the machine for the first time
06:31 PM Tom_L: i'd like to set that up but i think it would be alot of bother
06:31 PM jthornton: enleth, btw I'm down in the beer cave
06:31 PM gloops: you really going to take the nut off enleth??
06:31 PM enleth: getting it out of the head casting and uncoupled from the quill is a major PITA
06:31 PM enleth: gloops: nope
06:31 PM Tom_L: enleth what size screw?
06:32 PM enleth: gloops: I pulled the whole assembly out as a unit exactly as desribed in the maintenance manual
06:32 PM enleth: Tom_L: it's a big ass motherfucker of a screw, let me take a photo
06:32 PM enleth: short, it's only 125mm of quill travel
06:32 PM Tom_L: my bud's is ~3" screw
06:32 PM Tom_L: at least in x and y
06:33 PM Tom_L: he had to change bearings in one a while back
06:33 PM enleth: but the diameter is pretty big as the whole spindle passes through the bore in the screw
06:33 PM Tom_L: nice heavy machine then
06:35 PM enleth: https://i.imgur.com/jwTggKl.jpg
06:35 PM Tom_L: i might get some brass tube and route oilers to a more accessible place on mine but i don't think i'm gonna make an auto oiler
06:35 PM enleth: 500ml club mate bottle for scale
06:36 PM Tom_L: lathe?
06:36 PM Tom_L: that's a shortie
06:36 PM enleth: Bridgeport quill
06:36 PM Tom_L: ahh
06:36 PM Tom_L: his is a tree vmc
06:39 PM enleth: trying to pull the quill itself out
06:41 PM Tom_L: he's thinking about buying his okuma cadet lathe back from the ppl he sold his business to
06:41 PM Tom_L: i used to run that for him off and on
06:42 PM Tom_L: nice small lathe
06:42 PM Tom_L: well, it was before they got it
06:43 PM Tom_L: i think you'd be ok cleaning that with kero
06:44 PM Tom_L: just flush it good with oil after you're done
06:44 PM gloops: how about cellulose thinners?
06:44 PM gloops: will evaporate in seconds
06:45 PM gloops: but good for any plastic seals or such...
06:46 PM gloops: NOT good
06:49 PM enleth: quill out
06:52 PM enleth: pushed out the top with a piece of wood, cranking the knee up
07:03 PM TurBoss: hello
07:03 PM TurBoss: is posible to disable the line drawn in gremlin thst shows you the path done?
07:03 PM TurBoss: *that
07:04 PM TurBoss: like (AXIS,show) (AXIS,hide)
07:05 PM Tom_L: no idea
07:06 PM Tom_L: is gremlin even still supported?
07:07 PM Tom_L: i don't see it in the doc's gui list
07:07 PM TurBoss: is the Axis 3d viers
07:07 PM TurBoss: *viewer
07:07 PM Tom_L: mmm
07:10 PM TurBoss: ok seems not posible
07:10 PM TurBoss: ok its called the live plot in AXIS
07:10 PM Tom_L: not at my pay grade for sure
07:18 PM enleth: okay, turns out I forgot there actually is a Z axis ballscrew flushing/cleaning procedure description in the maintenance manual
07:20 PM enleth: I also noticed that the main spindle bearings started making a slight whirring noise
07:20 PM enleth: well shit
07:20 PM enleth: I guess I'll have to monitor runout and surface finish
07:21 PM enleth: and run them until I kill them
07:21 PM enleth: no budget to replace them right now
07:21 PM enleth: they won't damage anything other than cutting tools and finish
07:37 PM dioz: any of you guys know any good youtube fab channels?
07:38 PM enleth: define fab
07:39 PM Rab: Similar to marvy.
07:39 PM dioz: fuck this wifi sucks balls
07:39 PM dioz: i bet some retard is torenting
07:39 PM dioz: fuck i hate torents
07:46 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, looking at that guitar pocket
07:46 PM Tom_L: what settings did you use in the adaptive dialog?
07:46 PM Tom_L: i get a result but not a complete pocket cutout as i would expect
07:47 PM Tom_L: first few cuts seem awfully deep
07:49 PM BeachBumPete: Not sure right now man I just got home and got ANOTHER car problem to deal with.
07:49 PM Tom_L: fun
07:50 PM Tom_L: i was just messin around learning the software
07:51 PM BeachBumPete: nice...
07:51 PM BeachBumPete: its been a pretty stressful few days here man I appreciate you looking at it tho.
07:51 PM BeachBumPete: I will try to get it up after dinner here after I put some new parts in my wife's SUV.
07:51 PM Tom_L: seems the first depth cut is at the top of the flutes
07:51 PM Tom_L: seems a bit deep to me
07:53 PM BeachBumPete: I'll have to check my settings. I have not gotten much time to play with the program of that part
07:53 PM Tom_L: maybe it's what i'm selecting for a boundary
07:54 PM Tom_L: i selected the top perimeter
07:58 PM zeeshan: :O)
08:02 PM BeachBumPete: I also selected the top outer perimeter
08:02 PM Tom_L: of the pocket?
08:02 PM BeachBumPete: but depending on your step depth settings it can change a lot
08:02 PM BeachBumPete: yeah of the entire pocket not just the sub depth pockets inside it.
08:03 PM Tom_L: i did that at first
08:03 PM zeeshan: fusion? :D
08:03 PM zeeshan: cam?!
08:03 PM Tom_L: where do you set the steps?
08:03 PM Tom_L: zeeshan yes
08:03 PM Tom_L: and yes
08:04 PM BeachBumPete: hang on a second
08:05 PM BeachBumPete: under the passes tab
08:05 PM Tom_L: yeah i'm working on that right now
08:06 PM BeachBumPete: maximum roughing stepdown
08:06 PM BeachBumPete: final stepdown etc.
08:06 PM Tom_L: i changed that to .125 for now
08:06 PM BeachBumPete: yeah that is what I have too
08:06 PM Tom_L: also enabled a couple more checkoffs
08:06 PM zeeshan: if youre making a pocket
08:06 PM Tom_L: machine cavities and use slot clearing
08:07 PM zeeshan: why do you choose the top of the contour
08:07 PM Tom_L: and flat area detection
08:07 PM zeeshan: youre using 3d contour?
08:07 PM Tom_L: zeeshan you haven't seen the pocket
08:07 PM BeachBumPete: 3D adaptive clearing
08:07 PM Tom_L: it's multi step with curves
08:07 PM zeeshan: ah
08:08 PM Tom_L: where can you change the leadin from spiral to something else?
08:08 PM zeeshan: last tab
08:08 PM BeachBumPete: yup
08:08 PM zeeshan: you guys are programming advance shit
08:09 PM zeeshan: im frigging making a program for a stupid curve
08:09 PM zeeshan: lol
08:09 PM Tom_L: i did it on something else but forgot where it was
08:09 PM Tom_L: peanuts
08:09 PM Tom_L: i wanna see what this puppy can do
08:09 PM evilren_: fusion for CAM is pretty awesome
08:09 PM evilren_: sucks about the cloudiness
08:10 PM BeachBumPete: BBL gotta go work on the wifes truck
08:10 PM Tom_L: yeah that part is a bit cloudy
08:10 PM * Tom_L gives BeachBumPete a big hammer
08:10 PM evilren_: like, you have to use the web interface to delete projects youve created
08:10 PM evilren_: that just feels shady
08:10 PM Tom_L: yeah you gotta save it on the cloud before you can save it locally too
08:10 PM Tom_L: meh, it's free
08:11 PM evilren_: ya
08:11 PM Tom_L: what do you expect
08:11 PM evilren_: toolpath generation is pretty sexy tho
08:12 PM zeeshan: have they made an improvements to linuxcnc-features?
08:12 PM zeeshan: it stopped working for me recently for some reason
08:12 PM Tom_L: this should take a while to generate
08:12 PM evilren_: theres some non intuituve shit with envelopes on some operations
08:12 PM evilren_: but ive gotten it to work with everything ive wanted to do
08:14 PM Tom_L: zeeshan, i'll post the pocket
08:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pete/Guitar2.JPG
08:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pete/Guitar1.JPG
08:16 PM Tom_L: lotsa squiggly lines :)
08:17 PM zeeshan: HAHA
08:17 PM zeeshan: er caps
08:17 PM Tom_L: can you slice with f360?
08:18 PM zeeshan: i personally dont like all those lift moves
08:18 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:18 PM Tom_L: it could be more efficient for sure
08:19 PM zeeshan: you know how to turn that off right?
08:19 PM Tom_L: he can go back in and clean the fingers with a ball nose
08:19 PM Tom_L: no
08:19 PM Tom_L: i've only had this a couple days
08:19 PM Tom_L: not quite an expert yet
08:19 PM Tom_L: another day or so..
08:20 PM Tom_L: it's probably on your heights page
08:22 PM zeeshan: last tab
08:22 PM zeeshan: "stay down level"
08:22 PM zeeshan: want that to be most
08:22 PM Tom_L: the first layer is horribly inefficnet
08:24 PM Tom_L: i'd hate to think how long this would take to generate on an old pc
08:25 PM dioz: can't get over how much i hate people who torrent
08:25 PM dioz: torrent has to be the absolute worst method of downloading something
08:25 PM Tom_L: slow bandwidth?
08:25 PM dioz: i'd rather xdcc than torrent
08:25 PM Tom_L: stop using the neighbor's wifi
08:26 PM dioz: Tom_L: most people who torrent think it'll make it faster if they allow the client to open 365,000 connections (sessions)
08:26 PM malcom2073_: Torrent is great, because then you can get much faster download rates than any single server can give you
08:26 PM dioz: and they totally ruin the connection for everyone trying to use it
08:26 PM malcom2073_: dioz: That's a misconfigured network, not torrent's fault
08:26 PM dioz: cause a lot of consume level routers/nat's can't handle that many cncurrent connections
08:26 PM Tom_L: zeeshan, still has alot of rapids
08:27 PM dioz: malcom2073_: you are wrong
08:27 PM malcom2073_: Heh ok.
08:27 PM dioz: it isn't about router configuration... it's about available resources the router has
08:30 PM dioz: for example the actiontec router that's used by a lot of carriers ... it has a webui thats accessible from wan side
08:30 PM Tom_L: 40 min on that pocket alone and that's at ridiculous feeds
08:30 PM dioz: it's a "management" service
08:31 PM dioz: there's a bunch of images available... if i setup siege (bin) i can actually drop one of these router's with a 256kbps connection
08:31 PM dioz: regardless how big their pipe is
08:31 PM dioz: they could have a 100mbps connection
08:31 PM dioz: too big of session table and too slow of POC
08:32 PM roycroft: most bittorrent clients are configurable for both bandwidth usage and maximum connections
08:32 PM roycroft: if yours doesn't it's time to join the 21st century with a shiny new client
08:32 PM dioz: roycroft: yah. most people just max all that shit out
08:32 PM dioz: thinking it'll make it "Faster"
08:32 PM dioz: they end up saturating the entire connection
08:33 PM zeeshan: Tom_L: wanna see what im programming lol
08:34 PM Tom_L: sure
08:34 PM Tom_L: i'm just playin anyway
08:34 PM zeeshan: some ADVANCED STUFF HERE
08:34 PM gregcnc_: what are you carving this guitar from?
08:35 PM Tom_L: square pocket 1" deep?
08:35 PM Tom_L: gregcnc_, BeachBumPete want's to make one probably from wood
08:35 PM zeeshan: https://photos.app.goo.gl/UGH0wwtZGajAzUzQ2
08:35 PM zeeshan: :)
08:35 PM zeeshan: close
08:35 PM zeeshan: lol
08:35 PM Tom_L: why the hell are you cutting it that way
08:36 PM zeeshan: one setup
08:36 PM Tom_L: how big is that thing anyway?
08:36 PM Tom_L: yeah but it will take longer to machine
08:36 PM zeeshan: .375 sq bar
08:36 PM zeeshan: says 3 min to do the entire part
08:36 PM zeeshan: including drilling holes
08:36 PM zeeshan: i only gotta do 2 of these
08:36 PM zeeshan: sometimes its not worth thinking about it
08:36 PM zeeshan: or saving time :P
08:37 PM Tom_L: make about 4 cross step cuts then ballnose at least...
08:37 PM zeeshan: no!
08:37 PM zeeshan: 3 min!
08:37 PM zeeshan: done!
08:37 PM Tom_L: i'd fire you on the spot!!
08:37 PM zeeshan: this aint no advanced guitar okay!
08:37 PM Tom_L: :)
08:37 PM Tom_L: alum or steel?
08:38 PM zeeshan: al
08:38 PM zeeshan: i like this cusotmer a lot
08:38 PM zeeshan: i told them "why do you make your things out of steel when they can be aluminum"
08:38 PM zeeshan: "my tools will last longer and you will save money"
08:38 PM zeeshan: i rarely see steel from them now lol
08:39 PM zeeshan: they went completely opposite
08:39 PM zeeshan: i wish my current work was like that as well
08:39 PM zeeshan: material cost is insignificant for one off stuff
08:39 PM zeeshan: obviously unless its titanium or something :P
08:40 PM roycroft: do any of you use vacuum clamps?
08:40 PM Tom_L: used to
08:40 PM Tom_L: vacuum fixtures
08:40 PM Tom_L: with the rubber seals?
08:56 PM roycroft: i disappeard for a bit
08:56 PM roycroft: anyway, as i was starting to ask
08:56 PM roycroft: do any of you use vacuum clamps and, if so, what do you use for gasket material?
08:56 PM Tom_L: iirc it was just neoprene tubing
08:58 PM Tom_L: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general-archive/vacuum-fixture-seal-86892/
09:01 PM Tom_L: https://www.cnc-tool.com/cnc-gasket.html
09:01 PM Tom_L: if you really wanna be 'official'
09:04 PM Tom_L: http://store.piersonworkholding.com/14-Diameter-Vacuum-Gasket-25_p_60.html
09:04 PM Tom_L: another source
09:06 PM roycroft: i just want something that works well
09:06 PM Tom_L: exhisting fixture?
09:06 PM roycroft: i got some thin closed cell weatherstripping, which is what a lot of the woodworking folks use, and it leaks way too much
09:06 PM roycroft: i'm using a piece of hdpe
09:06 PM Tom_L: i'd try some neoprene tubing
09:07 PM roycroft: ok, i'll check that out too
09:07 PM Tom_L: get a hunk at the auto store
09:07 PM roycroft: thanks
09:07 PM Tom_L: vacuum tube
09:07 PM Tom_L: it's cheap
09:07 PM roycroft: the hdpe is flat, but i can route a groove in it if i need to
09:08 PM Tom_L: you need _something_ to hold the tube in place for sure
09:08 PM roycroft: yeah, the weatherstripping is sticky on one side
09:08 PM roycroft: that helps for that stuff
09:08 PM roycroft: but the tubing would not be sticky like that
09:08 PM roycroft: and hdpe is kind of hard to stick things to in the first place
09:09 PM Tom_L: i've got a roll of auto trim tape
09:09 PM Tom_L: it's damn sticky
09:09 PM Tom_L: 2 side though
09:10 PM BeachBumPete: whew managed to get the wifes SUV running right
09:10 PM Tom_L: i've used 2 sided masking tape for flat pieces too
09:11 PM Tom_L: pin the edge as extra protection from sliding
09:11 PM BeachBumPete: freaking individual plug coil on number 4 was shot. Pulled and replaced all the plugs and that coil pack seems to be running good now thankfully. Need that bitch to run right while I have my van torn down that is for sure..
09:11 PM roycroft: to compound my leaking issue, i have to sort out how to resolve a problem with the vacuum setup
09:11 PM roycroft: i'm using a ventury vacuum pump
09:11 PM roycroft: that's fine
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: I use a vacuum pump and custom fixtures for some of the parts I made
09:12 PM roycroft: but i need about 120psi pressure from the compressor to get enough flow to pull a full vacuum (which is .875 bars as of now)
09:12 PM roycroft: i don't need that much vacuum - 0.5 bars would hold things plenty well
09:12 PM Tom_L: i'd get a regular vacuum pump
09:12 PM Tom_L: they're noisy as hell though
09:13 PM roycroft: the problem is that the compressor drops down to 90psi before it cycles, then goes back up to 130psi
09:13 PM BeachBumPete: mine is not too noisy really
09:13 PM BeachBumPete: kinda quiet actually
09:13 PM roycroft: while the vacuum switch likes to trigger on about 0.01bar
09:13 PM BeachBumPete: relatively speaking
09:13 PM Tom_L: roycroft, ^^ that's why
09:13 PM roycroft: so essentially it runs continuously
09:13 PM roycroft: i like how quiet the venturi pump is
09:13 PM roycroft: the compressor is outside
09:13 PM roycroft: so it's not very loud
09:13 PM BeachBumPete: have used both tho
09:14 PM Tom_L: we had a screw compressor so it didn't really matter
09:14 PM roycroft: if i can tweak the vacuum switch so that it doesn't want to cycle so often i'll be fine
09:14 PM Tom_L: but for those things we used a vacuum pump
09:14 PM BeachBumPete: we used to use a venturi on a screw comp in the shop in Tn for vacuum bagging large layups
09:14 PM roycroft: right now all want is some vacuum hold-down clamps while i'm hand tooling wood and sanding
09:14 PM roycroft: but i am going to do some vacuum veneering very soon
09:15 PM roycroft: and whenever i get back to my cnc projects it will be nice to have vacuum clamping ability there
09:15 PM roycroft: but that's down the road a bit
09:15 PM roycroft: the venturi is like 65dB
09:15 PM roycroft: that's what i really like about it
09:16 PM roycroft: it can sit right next to me and i can easily talk to someone on the phone
09:16 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, once i fiddled with the parameters, the pocket looks ok i think
09:17 PM BeachBumPete: nice....PIC
09:17 PM Tom_L: just that first one i took
09:18 PM roycroft: and yeah, i could get a stand-alone vacuum pump with a long hose and be done with it
09:18 PM Tom_L: did you see it?
09:18 PM BeachBumPete: this is maddening... is there a way to make your downloads folder ALWAYS show newest ones on top?
09:18 PM roycroft: but i'd like to figure out how to make what i have work, for a while at least
09:18 PM Tom_L: sort by date
09:18 PM roycroft: on a mac that's trivial :)
09:18 PM roycroft: i don't know about windows though
09:19 PM Tom_L: just click on the date column
09:19 PM BeachBumPete: Im sure its trivial on windows too when you know how
09:19 PM roycroft: if someone in redmond think's that something that people have any business doing there might be a way
09:19 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pete/Guitar1.JPG
09:20 PM BeachBumPete: thats about what I got too. Looks decent I think.
09:20 PM Tom_L: too bad you can't slice the model and see where it goes
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/Eyjq6S2.jpg
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: that was my first vacuum fixture setup on the VMC when I got the pump
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: I later added some dowel pins to help keep it in place during the heavier cuts but it DID work without them if you slowed the feedrates some.
09:22 PM Tom_L: did you use coolant too?
09:22 PM Tom_L: what about a catch can 'filter' in the vacuum line
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: yeah actually and that was part of the problem
09:22 PM Tom_L: empty paint can with 2 pipe threads
09:23 PM Tom_L: etc
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: the seals allowed some of the coolant to get sucked up and I wound up with it in the pump, had to tear down and replace the oil bath
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: I think it was the semi porous nature of the seal material I chose.
09:23 PM roycroft: that's actually an advantage of a venturi pump
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: either that or it did not fully seal
09:24 PM BeachBumPete: indeed
09:24 PM Tom_L: when i was doing HVLP my 5hp 2 stage 80gal compressor barely kept up with it
09:25 PM Tom_L: we ended up getting a pump for it
09:25 PM roycroft: i'll see if i can change the hysteresis setting on my vacuum switch
09:25 PM roycroft: and the cutoff level
09:25 PM roycroft: i don't need 0.875 bars - 0.8 would be way more than enough
09:25 PM roycroft: and would be easier to pull
09:26 PM BeachBumPete: I was actually surprised at how well the venturi setup we used worked on those large vacuum bag glue ups... amazing the power vacuum has really.
09:26 PM roycroft: it's pretty impressive
09:26 PM roycroft: air is pretty heavy stuff
09:26 PM roycroft: if you have enough of it falling down on you
09:26 PM BeachBumPete: We used to have these large pieces of thick particle board that was scored in a grid pattern that we setup the glue ups on
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: we would put the glue ups on top of them and stick the whole thing in the bags
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: then suck it down
09:27 PM roycroft: i made some platens like that out of melamine-covered pb
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: once we made this large radiused form out of ribbed plywood
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: we failed to put enough ribs in the center
09:27 PM roycroft: uh oh
09:28 PM BeachBumPete: we glued up and sucked it down.
09:28 PM BeachBumPete: when we got back in the morning it had GRENADED
09:28 PM BeachBumPete: tore the bag and pieces of wood and plywood sticking out everywhere
09:28 PM BeachBumPete: I was STUNNED
09:28 PM roycroft: yeah, that sounds impressive
09:29 PM BeachBumPete: the power of that vacuum is really amazing when you get it sealed up right
09:29 PM roycroft: my plan is to never do that
09:29 PM roycroft: i'll let you know when i die if i succeeded
09:29 PM BeachBumPete: it also helps to suck the air out of the glue joint so your glue ups are actually better than normal
09:29 PM BeachBumPete: bubbles etc.
09:30 PM roycroft: i put a shop vac port on the vacuum line so that when i start doing vacuum veneering i can evacuate most of the air out of th bag with a shop vac before i engage the venturi pump
09:32 PM BeachBumPete: interestingly enough we actually tore the expensive bags we bought over time and my boss came up with an interesting idea. We bought some thick plastic sheeting and he took two pieces of thin wall plastic pipe, slit one and made like a long clamp out of it. lay the two pieces of sheet on top of the one pipe, then clamp the other pipe over the plas
09:32 PM BeachBumPete: tic and the tube making a seal. Worked really well actually.
09:33 PM BeachBumPete: or you can just use some very good tape to form the edges of the bag and use the pipes to close the " open end"
09:34 PM roycroft: if you're pulling the bag material against itself you can make a really good seal
09:34 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/IJWIOVb.jpg
09:44 PM phaxx: what's with the pattern?
09:45 PM BeachBumPete: to distribute vacuum along the length of the part
09:46 PM phaxx: I sort of figured that, but why that specific wibbly shape?
09:47 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/SG00WUj.jpg
09:47 PM phaxx: that makes complete sense now. thanks.
09:47 PM BeachBumPete: :)
10:16 PM jdh: winter came back this week.
10:16 PM jdh: BeachBumPete: do you have my room ready? I'll be down this w/e.
10:16 PM BeachBumPete: hehe
10:16 PM BeachBumPete: If you help me get this van running you can stay for free :)
10:17 PM jdh: in the van!
10:17 PM roycroft: as long as you move it down by the river
10:17 PM BeachBumPete: hell wherever
10:17 PM jdh: I'm staying in Lantana
10:18 PM BeachBumPete: Still got this thing apart here had to work on the wifes truck tonight but its running good now
10:18 PM jdh: or Lake WOrth, or wtf it is
10:18 PM BeachBumPete: My grandparents lived in Lantana
10:18 PM BeachBumPete: Lakes of Sherbrooke
10:18 PM jdh: $50/night tax included
10:18 PM BeachBumPete: cheap
10:18 PM jdh: heh, and then some.
10:18 PM BeachBumPete: motel6?
10:19 PM jdh: Barefoot Mailman Motel
10:19 PM BeachBumPete: I hear they'll leave the light on for ya
10:19 PM jdh: very weird place
10:19 PM jdh: bike ride in Delray Beach this w/e. I've stayed there the last 3 or 4 years
10:20 PM BeachBumPete: is that near where the Blove puts in?
10:20 PM BeachBumPete: looks familia
10:20 PM BeachBumPete: familiar
10:20 PM jdh: dunno what a Blove is
10:21 PM BeachBumPete: the B love III party boat
10:21 PM jdh: There is an inlet right there
10:22 PM BeachBumPete: yeah man that is right near there.
10:22 PM BeachBumPete: just go over ocean avenue and the party boat is on the right before the bridge
10:23 PM BeachBumPete: That Old key lime house restaurant is really nice too
10:23 PM BeachBumPete: we ate there a few times
10:23 PM BeachBumPete: right on the water
10:23 PM jdh: I usually go there. short walk from the motel
10:23 PM BeachBumPete: that is a good spot especially for that price...
10:24 PM BeachBumPete: caught a few fish right off the seawall near the party boat too
10:24 PM jdh: great for biking
10:24 PM BeachBumPete: well I gotta go to bed man. Work hits hard early. HAve fun in Lantana
10:24 PM jdh: unless mar-a-lago is occupied then I have to re-route
10:25 PM BeachBumPete: thats a ways from there actually
10:25 PM jdh: nah, I ride by it on my Saturday warm-up ride
10:25 PM BeachBumPete: we are doing a lot of work on Palm Beach Island where I work
10:25 PM BeachBumPete: closer to riviera beach than lantana really
10:25 PM BeachBumPete: you must ride pretty far :)
10:26 PM BeachBumPete: well Gn8
10:26 PM jdh: itt's less than 10 miles
10:26 PM Tom_L: later
10:26 PM jdh: later