#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 11 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:21 AM gloops: well hopefully get round to firing the old jalopy up again today, if alls well things should move pretty quick from there, couple of minor mchanical things to fix and its done
12:25 AM XXCoder: nice
12:25 AM XXCoder: you have electrics box?
12:25 AM XXCoder: good morning
12:29 AM gloops: yeah i got a stainless steel bathroom cabinet with steel partition, wire everything up according to good wiring practice...the best i could
12:30 AM gloops: it was working ok with just any old wire but i thought id get this shielding job out of the way now before using the machine
12:30 AM XXCoder: nice
12:30 AM XXCoder: im still not sure how to design and build mine
12:31 AM gloops: the electrics box or the machine?
12:31 AM XXCoder: electrics
12:32 AM XXCoder: machine is done basically (not sure on some stuff, may replace bed with wood so i can simply screw wood stuff on it
12:33 AM gloops: i mainly followed a tutorial on the linuxcnc forums, the layout is very basic - just keep high noise elements away from signal elements, the actual routing of the wires i should have thought more about because it still looks a birds nests lol, but i think from a shielding point of view it is right
12:34 AM XXCoder: so drivers away from psu so on?
12:34 AM XXCoder: honestly didnt really consider that. good thing I havent build it
12:34 AM gloops: yeah stuff like that, and away from vfd, my box has 2 metal partitions, ive put vfd and psus in seperate compartments, ddriver/bob in another
12:35 AM XXCoder: how about grounding? that was what I was wondering also
12:35 AM gloops: choice of wire is also important, i went OTT and got heavy duty shielded cable - great for shielding, not good to work with in a confined space
12:36 AM gloops: ground the box, ground all the shielding to the box
12:36 AM fragalot: hi
12:36 AM gloops: hello
12:36 AM gloops: fragalot knows a lot more than me about it
12:36 AM XXCoder: cool
12:36 AM fragalot: about what?
12:37 AM XXCoder: sex
12:37 AM fragalot: oh yeah definitely
12:37 AM gloops: in minis
12:37 AM XXCoder: heh well basically electrics box designing
12:38 AM XXCoder: gloops: I kinda wonder if its worth it to get psu each driver
12:38 AM gloops: i didnt actually know how a pro grounds a shielding cable, what i did was pare some plastic off to expose the braided shield, connected that to a wire and taped it up - put the wire to metal
12:38 AM XXCoder: right now 3 steppers is pretty close to psu max
12:39 AM gloops: XXCoder depends on the psu, i found a difference when i got an extra psu, 2 drivers to each psu
12:39 AM XXCoder: not bad
12:39 AM gloops: not massive but definitely better
12:39 AM fragalot: XXCoder: https://imgur.com/a/CyDar <- that's mine
12:39 AM fragalot: if you can, get one big PSU for all drivers
12:39 AM XXCoder: so 2 psus, one for two less energy usage ones, and one for X
12:39 AM fragalot: that way any back-EMF generated by the steppers braking will get dumped into the other 2 steppers
12:39 AM XXCoder: X gonna move heavy gantry
12:40 AM gloops: youve still got thousands of cables to add yet though fragalot?
12:40 AM gloops: mine actually looked pretty neat - until i started adding wires lol
12:40 AM XXCoder: frag whats that giant cyclinder thing near drivers
12:40 AM XXCoder: lol
12:40 AM fragalot: gloops: only the endstops, homing switches & steppers
12:40 AM fragalot: everything internal has been wired
12:41 AM fragalot: XXCoder: 10mF capacitor
12:41 AM gloops: i didnt spend enough time measuring, where a bunch of cables is too long i just bent it round
12:41 AM XXCoder: I guess to smooth out power and avoid microbrownouts
12:41 AM fragalot: this is a 60V 6A / stepper system
12:41 AM fragalot: correct
12:42 AM gloops: were they with the kit fragalot?
12:42 AM fragalot: no
12:42 AM fragalot: the kit included only the driver & a motor
12:43 AM gloops: i ought to do that with mine at some point
12:44 AM IchGucksLive: morning all
12:44 AM XXCoder: hey
12:44 AM fragalot: hi
12:44 AM XXCoder: fragalot: honestly if im buying another psu as well as buy 2 or 3 to have matched set
12:44 AM IchGucksLive: fragalot: why are you going for the expensiv closed loop
12:44 AM IchGucksLive: ust the standard ones
12:45 AM fragalot: IchGucksLive: because you told me what to order?
12:45 AM fragalot: remember? :P
12:45 AM gloops: also fragalot YELLOW tape on the end of that cable lol
12:45 AM IchGucksLive: did i realy
12:45 AM fragalot: gloops: that's my temporary power cable, that tape gets replaced on a weekly basis
12:45 AM XXCoder: frag why is those dates on psus?
12:45 AM fragalot: gloops: all it does is cover the shielding
12:46 AM fragalot: XXCoder: reminds me when I bought them
12:46 AM XXCoder: oh
12:46 AM XXCoder: if I did that I'd get depressed
12:46 AM gloops: yes i did the same, have you taken a small wire from the shielding to ground?
12:46 AM XXCoder: psu'd be dated 2014? 2013?
12:46 AM fragalot: gloops: not yet, and a small wire is bad
12:46 AM gloops: why is a small wire bad?
12:46 AM fragalot: to ground shielding you want to clamp the braid directly against the back panel
12:47 AM fragalot: the more SURFACE area the braid has, the better
12:47 AM gloops: ahh f that its too much messing about
12:47 AM fragalot: EMI is about high frequencies
12:47 AM fragalot: if you make a thin wire out of it, you increase the resistance of it from a high frequency perspective exponentially
12:47 AM fragalot: keep it as wide as possible
12:48 AM gloops: i thought of baring enough braid to twist it and clamp it to the box, it would take ages
12:48 AM fragalot: it's far easier than that
12:48 AM gloops: fragalot surely the shielding is not going to carry much at all
12:48 AM fragalot: strip a 1" section of the mantle where the cable comes in
12:48 AM fragalot: then zip-tie that to the back panel
12:48 AM fragalot: easy.
12:48 AM fragalot: gloops: it actually really is
12:49 AM fragalot: if it's a long cable run on a strong motor you can see sparks fly
12:49 AM gloops: if you do that you have to have longer unsheilded wires running to the component
12:49 AM fragalot: gloops: the shielding carries on further
12:50 AM gloops: well the braid on these cables, twisted makes about a 2mm or more wire
12:50 AM gloops: its got to be enough
12:51 AM fragalot: certainly better than not doing it, yes
12:52 AM gloops: i wont change it now unless i have problems, but ill bear your info in mind
12:53 AM gloops: hoping to fire the power up later today, if its all ok, this project hasnt got much left in it , thank god
12:53 AM fragalot: :-)
12:57 AM fragalot: IchGucksLive: have you been able to do that FEM analysis yet? :D
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: im tro bussy and as nfection is all over im not in the regular school system for this month
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: only homework on my own mashines
01:00 AM fragalot: the flu has hit schools hard here too
01:00 AM fragalot: like 40% of the children were sick at home and 60% of the teachers
01:00 AM fragalot: one school had to ask retired teachers nicely if they wouldn't mind coming in to help
01:05 AM gloops: first person to make one of these on his router https://i.pinimg.com/236x/7c/4c/f9/7c4cf97c2098ec39b2032e2f5f6fbe5d.jpg
01:07 AM IchGucksLive: im over 65 so in not even been asked on this
01:07 AM IchGucksLive: but i woudent come ighter as it coudt kill you
01:07 AM fragalot: I'm not sure if at 65 you'd be allowed to retire yet here
01:07 AM fragalot: retirement age is 67, though I don't know if teachers can go earlier
01:08 AM IchGucksLive: someone brought the AL bars so im able to get all done more precice ;-)
01:08 AM fragalot: :D cool
01:08 AM fragalot: which machines are you working on?
01:08 AM IchGucksLive: fragalot: therdor i crosses the 70
01:08 AM IchGucksLive: lots of mashines to use
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: we got about 20 i gues dident count all
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: Familie owned
01:13 AM IchGucksLive: im off
01:41 AM XXCoder: gloops: whoa
01:41 AM XXCoder: with router? how?
01:41 AM gloops: i dont think it was made with cnc lol
01:42 AM gloops: would need 5 axis i think
01:42 AM XXCoder: fragalot: usa teacher pay is so poor teachers tend to work till near death.
01:42 AM XXCoder: yep. 5 axis, 2 steps
01:42 AM fragalot: not just teachers there is it?
01:42 AM XXCoder: teachers pay for their own materials
01:42 AM XXCoder: so they actually average a little worse than minium wage
01:43 AM XXCoder: and gets better with experence but at peak it still sucks.
01:44 AM XXCoder: state worker/teachers who work at deaf school get worse aspect of either
01:44 AM XXCoder: if state workers get pay increase they are teachers
01:44 AM fragalot: meanwhile for the students/parents the US has some of the highest tuition fees
01:44 AM XXCoder: if teachers get pay increase they are state workers
01:45 AM XXCoder: they was almost at point of protest leave before they finally got to level of average teachers pay. which still sucks but way better
01:46 AM gloops: there is a crisis emerging here with teachers
01:46 AM gloops: or lack of
01:46 AM XXCoder: severial jobs its like that
01:46 AM XXCoder: farmers for one.
01:46 AM XXCoder: current anti-immgrant retotic means farm food gets rotten on farm lot
01:46 AM fragalot: here we go.
01:47 AM XXCoder: COBOL programmers is dying and theres over trillion source code in COBOL that everything money depends on.
01:47 AM XXCoder: nurses depend is insane but nobody wants to be one
01:47 AM XXCoder: so on and on
01:47 AM gloops: well, ive abandoned my customary walk round the car boot sale to get this wiring done, hows that for dedication
01:48 AM gloops: ive also realised that the hundreds of pins ive been saving on pinterst over a year havent saved
01:48 AM XXCoder: (trillion lines of source)
01:49 AM fragalot: i'm sure it's more than trillions
01:49 AM fragalot: my tiny embedded project has already surpassed 10 million
01:49 AM XXCoder: well million is techinically lots of 10s
01:50 AM XXCoder: so million billion is lots of trillions ;)
01:50 AM XXCoder: or maybe 100! lines is large enough dunno lol
01:51 AM XXCoder: once joked about er32! collet, turns out Earth would be like dust besides it.
01:52 AM fragalot: :P
01:59 AM XXCoder: http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/pictofact/2/7/4/649274_v2.jpg wtf
03:14 AM gloops: i really thought this was a price mistake https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fair-Trade-Hand-Carved-Wooden-Freestanding-Celtic-Christian-Cross-Religious-Sign/271748813178?
03:15 AM gloops: 18 of that version sold, + many other types, over 100k sales of those
03:16 AM gloops: i bet the carver never saw much of that
03:17 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fair-Trade-Hand-Carved-Wooden-Celtic-Christian-Cross-Religious-Wall-Plaque-Sign/281170896443?
03:20 AM gloops: has to be an error
03:46 AM Deejay: moin
03:47 AM XXCoder: gloops: maybe theres celtic cross fethitists out there
03:48 AM gloops: i think it should be 9.99 lol, dunno how you stand if you click buy it now though
03:49 AM XXCoder: maybe heh
03:53 AM Louis_Cypher: Hey guys
03:53 AM Louis_Cypher: one short question about drivers:
03:54 AM Louis_Cypher: How does the DM542 compare to the (much cheaper) TB6600?
03:54 AM Louis_Cypher: I have blown up my DM542 yesterday night
03:54 AM Louis_Cypher: It is the second one and things are starting to get expensive ;-/
03:55 AM Louis_Cypher: The first one was my fault (wrong wiring)
03:55 AM Louis_Cypher: For the second one I have no idea what was wrong
03:57 AM XXCoder: tb6600 worked great for me but no idea compare with dm542. and my machine is small
04:01 AM Louis_Cypher: Would you mind sharing the timing settings you use
04:02 AM Louis_Cypher: One more about power adapters: Mine is a cheap chinese one and it obviously has quite a bit of voltage on the housing
04:02 AM Louis_Cypher: What is strange is, that it is connected to ground
04:02 AM Louis_Cypher: Should I connect the poweradapter ground to housing as well?
04:03 AM fragalot: if it's metal, always connect ground
04:03 AM fragalot: connect ground to negative too
04:03 AM fragalot: (on the PSU)
04:04 AM Louis_Cypher: I assumed that the ground terminal of the poweradaptor is already connected to the housing. What else is it good for?
04:04 AM fragalot: Louis_Cypher: if there is one, that should indeed be fine
04:04 AM Louis_Cypher: If i got you write I should connect ground on the DC side as well as on ac, right?
04:05 AM Louis_Cypher: There is one and it is connected
04:05 AM fragalot: yes, AC ground to DC negative
04:05 AM Louis_Cypher: OK, that might be the issue
04:05 AM Louis_Cypher: Maybe the reason for my dead DM542 as well?
04:06 AM fragalot: don't know, it may be
04:06 AM fragalot: grounding the negative power terminal of your power supply mainly helps with static, EMI and general weirdness
04:07 AM Louis_Cypher: Talking about grounding: is there a need to connect ground of the 5v in from the PC as well?
04:07 AM fragalot: I always connect the negative terminals of all PSU's to gnd
04:07 AM Louis_Cypher: OK. I wasn't sure whether that will work
04:07 AM Louis_Cypher: Thanks a lot
04:08 AM fragalot: the PC's power will likely already be grounded
04:08 AM Louis_Cypher: I was recommended to not use two drivers in parallel connected to the same port of the BOB. But I don't get why
04:09 AM fragalot: maybe hte BOB can't supply enough power to drive 2?
04:09 AM Louis_Cypher: I'd assume that the input pins of the drivers are very high resistance and hence the BOB will support that easily
04:10 AM Louis_Cypher: Worst case the driverst should just not work, right?
04:10 AM fragalot: depends on how well made the bob is
04:11 AM fragalot: the inputs of your driver should be in the datasheet what their turn on voltage & current is
04:11 AM fragalot: and the bob should list it's output capacity
04:12 AM Louis_Cypher: True. But they are both chinese ;-)
04:12 AM fragalot: even so i'd expect at least the driver to mention it?
04:12 AM Louis_Cypher: Hence, there is no datasheet but a lot of "dear sir it is a honour ;-)
04:12 AM fragalot: what driver?
04:13 AM XXCoder: Louis_Cypher: sadly in storage so cannot look
04:15 AM Louis_Cypher: DM542A
04:15 AM Louis_Cypher: I found some weirde diagrams and it looks like the internal resistor has only 200 Ohm
04:16 AM Louis_Cypher: that makes for 25 mA
04:16 AM fragalot: so 2 in parallel will be 100 ohm, 50mA
04:16 AM fragalot: that may be too much for the bob
04:17 AM Louis_Cypher: Crappy design ;-)
04:17 AM fragalot: :P
04:17 AM Louis_Cypher: I'll measure the resistance on the broken one
04:18 AM fragalot: open it up, see what fried?
04:18 AM Louis_Cypher: Or maybe the voltage on the enable PIN. This one is connected to all motors anyway and should be the first one to break down richgt?
04:18 AM Louis_Cypher: It still is under waranty
04:18 AM Louis_Cypher: Hoping to get a replacement from longs
04:18 AM Louis_Cypher: They are pretty nice when it comes to replacements
04:18 AM fragalot: alright
04:19 AM Louis_Cypher: I'll initiate the machine with the 3 DM542 and one TB 6600
04:19 AM Louis_Cypher: And wait for the replacement
04:20 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: traces are pure copper and solder is tin and lead or tin and silver. the only iron in circuits are the endcaps of resistors and some resistor/diode leads. should work without those, could e a bit shakey contact thoug if only the tin cover is left and the endcaps/wires inside disappear though
04:20 AM XXCoder: interesting
04:22 AM Louis_Cypher: Thanks a lot guys. Will leave to the workshop now and try to get the machine up and running
04:22 AM Louis_Cypher: See you soon
04:23 AM XXCoder: np later :)
04:26 AM gloops: hmm, the issue with 2 drivers sharing a signal, i looked at this a while ago
04:27 AM gloops: cant remember, its how mach 3 does it i think
04:28 AM gloops: apart from the obvious homing issues
04:35 AM XXCoder: how would drivers share a sihnal?
04:35 AM gloops: connecting them to the same bob pin
04:36 AM gloops: which is different to send the same signal to 2 drivers, as linuxcnc does
04:36 AM gloops: sending
04:39 AM XXCoder: oh for drivers on same axis
04:39 AM gloops: yeah i thought thats what louis was talking about, just skipped over the comments
04:39 AM gloops: i cant think of any other reson to give 2 drivers the same signal
04:51 AM Louis_Cypher: Yes gloops you are right
04:51 AM Louis_Cypher: I didn't want to trust "software synchronization" on one hand and I wanted to use stepconf for the configuration
04:52 AM gloops: have you got this working Louis?
04:52 AM Louis_Cypher: I found the problem. Ground was not soldered on the input side :-X
04:53 AM Loetmichel: sooo, finally sent the CFO my work hour sheets for the last 2 weeks... i REALLY shoulnt have configured my smartphone to recive the company email... wouldnt have seen the CFO nagging about the hour sheets... i should write up half an hour sunday work for that though :-)
04:53 AM Louis_Cypher: I have to search the driver now. Not sure I bought it
04:53 AM gloops: i mean, does the 2 motor axis work ok with this method for you?
04:53 AM Louis_Cypher: I can't tell yet since my driver is blown up
04:53 AM gloops: ahh right
04:54 AM Louis_Cypher: Have to search the replacement one or fix an old broken one
04:54 AM Louis_Cypher: Not sure where to search for the problem
04:55 AM gloops: ive got 2 dm542s and 2 tb6600 on mine
04:55 AM Louis_Cypher: It was connected to input power with wrong polarity
04:55 AM gloops: if you find out let me know, ive got a dead DM542 did exactly the same
04:56 AM gloops: now just flashing red light
04:56 AM Louis_Cypher: Do whey work on the same settings? Obviously:-D
04:56 AM Louis_Cypher: Same for me
04:56 AM Louis_Cypher: Even the input pin is melted
04:56 AM gloops: yeah more or less the same
04:56 AM gloops: theres no sign at all of any damage to mine, just no life in it
04:57 AM fragalot: Louis_Cypher: it's likely an easy fix if you have a soldering iron and a multimeter
04:58 AM Louis_Cypher: How would you start seaching?
04:58 AM gloops: dm542 is like £30+ tb6600 is £7
04:58 AM Louis_Cypher: Power it up and follow the path of the input voltage?
04:58 AM fragalot: Louis_Cypher: first step is to open it up, and see what looks obviously fucked
04:58 AM gloops: apparently the expensive one is no better than the cheap one
04:58 AM fragalot: replace those bits
04:59 AM fragalot: then power & follow the power
04:59 AM fragalot: see where it suddenly stops
05:00 AM gloops: i figured if theyre the same, may as well start going over to the tb6600s theyre so cheap, and keep a couple of spares
05:00 AM Louis_Cypher: I'll give it a try
05:00 AM Louis_Cypher: gloops are you running on leadshine M542 settings?
05:01 AM gloops: im on full amps 4.2, 400 steps
05:02 AM Louis_Cypher: Sorry, was referring to timing settings
05:03 AM gloops: no, tbh im not sure what theyre set at without booting computer up, i think i went with 6000,6000, 25000 25000 i cant remember
05:03 AM Louis_Cypher: OK, thanks. I'll give it a ty
05:03 AM Louis_Cypher: Back to workshop now. Need to get some sticky fingers ;-)
05:04 AM Louis_Cypher: Epoxy stuff
05:04 AM gloops: i did notice i was getting close to the 6000 though when running fast, have only done some very basic trials
05:04 AM gloops: yes me too
05:04 AM Louis_Cypher: See you later and thanks again!
05:07 AM jthornton: morning
05:10 AM fragalot: hi
05:50 AM Guest10890: Hello
05:59 AM gloops: spotted some cutters that are 1mm too big for my biggest collet
05:59 AM gloops: can mount a grinding wheel in the lathe chuck, make a small v block to sit in the tool holder
06:00 AM gloops: bring the v up to the wheel and rotate the cutter shaft by hand to grind it down, yay/nay?
06:01 AM jthornton: sounds dicey to me lol
06:01 AM gloops: lol, it is a bit, in theory though.....
06:04 AM gloops: very light cut at a time it should work
06:05 AM gloops: if i leave a few mm the original size either end of the shaft to keep a true reference in the v
06:08 AM jthornton: I'll hold your beer while you try
06:08 AM gloops: probably £400 of cutters going for nothing, its got to be worth it
06:09 AM jthornton: can you cobble up a tool post grinder?
06:10 AM gloops: maybe, not got anything ready made
06:10 AM gloops: ill look at that as well
07:14 AM enleth: gloops: definitely try to build a toolpost grinder for this, the tool being concentric is more important than the grinding wheel running true
07:14 AM enleth: even a wandel-esque wooden contraption will be fine
07:14 AM gloops: that still leaves the problem of how to hold the cutter in the chuck with the shaft forward
07:14 AM jthornton: well here goes another try at installing phpmyadmin...
07:16 AM gloops: i thought if i had the shaft in a v block and rotated it against a grinding wheel that would work, leave a few mm of original shaft on either end to get a true reference in the V - grind that off later
07:17 AM gloops: ive bid anyway now and there are 4 cutters, 1 to experiment with
07:17 AM gloops: not for metal, so long as theyre true enough not to vibrate in the spindle its ok
07:18 AM enleth: gloops: you're going to have a hard time holding it perfectly flush and true in the block
07:18 AM gloops: maybe a clamp just holding down enough to still rotate it?
07:19 AM enleth: do the cutters perhaps have centers in the business end? some do
07:19 AM gloops: i wont bid a lot anyway, so worth a play if i get them, worse case - the world loses 4 decent cutters forever
07:19 AM gloops: cant see theyve still got wax coating
07:19 AM gloops: i hope so
07:21 AM gloops: jthornton have you got any hair left? lol
07:22 AM enleth: as for holding them - not much torque is needed to grind, so you could, for example, chuck a piece of alu, drill for a press fit of the flute end of the cutter, press it in there with the tailstock ram and dab some CA glue for good measure
07:22 AM jthornton: lots of hair... now phpmyadmin says #1698 - Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
07:23 AM enleth: should be plenty strong for slow and steady grinding
07:24 AM XXCoder: umm jthornton think you need to add yourself to phpadmin group or something
07:24 AM gloops: yes, could rotate the chuck by hand even enleth
07:24 AM enleth: jthornton: can you log into that database as root from localhost without phpmyadmin?
07:24 AM enleth: XXCoder: no, completely irrelevant
07:24 AM jthornton: yes, just looking at the mysql table users
07:25 AM enleth: you sure it was from the same host as phpmyadmin is running on?
07:25 AM jthornton: ah they changed the user name to phpmyadmin
07:25 AM jthornton: I'm in now
07:26 AM enleth: gloops: it's fine to turn it under power, easier and faster
07:27 AM jthornton: except I have no privileges lol
07:28 AM enleth: gloops: you could ziptie a dremel to a block of wood and bolt that onto the compound slide
07:28 AM XXCoder: jthornton: yeah default because so many leave that alone and its super uber exploitable
07:29 AM XXCoder: think theres no default php full access admin you need to add it? never really needed php stuff lol
07:34 AM jthornton: yea I had to create a user with all permissions lol
07:39 AM XXCoder: nice
07:49 AM rene-dev: Hi, can you please check if you have this issue?
07:49 AM rene-dev: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/64
07:49 AM rene-dev: if yes, please report your configuration there...
07:50 AM rene-dev: its in the gtk-3-examples package...
07:58 AM fragalot: just finished installing one of those chinese misters.. don't think I'll keep using it
07:59 AM fragalot: it does exactly what it says on the tin, and it does it well, but it atomizes too much
08:03 AM gloops: excellent, know where to come for fitting instructions if i get one
08:03 AM gloops: how much was it fragalot?
08:03 AM fragalot: like $2.5
08:04 AM Tom_L: fragalot i just keep my air down once i get it flowing
08:04 AM fragalot: Tom_L: same, but it still mists a lot.
08:04 AM Tom_L: i haven't had that problem yet
08:05 AM Tom_L: did you turn the nozzle for optimum suction?
08:05 AM Tom_L: i also added some teflon tape around mine to hold it in place better
08:05 AM fragalot: yup, certainly helps, but. eh.
08:05 AM fragalot: I think i'm just going to use the air feature of it
08:06 AM fragalot: or I need an extractor nearby :P
08:06 AM Tom_L: yeah it workd good for that too
08:06 AM Tom_L: works*
08:26 AM jthornton: finally got cubecart working on localhost what a PIA
08:33 AM JT-Shop: it's 47°F with todays high 46°F hmmm
09:07 AM miss0r: hay hay hay
09:07 AM fragalot: hi
09:07 AM miss0r: Just got back form a pretty neat repairjob :]
09:08 AM fragalot: were you there before, or after it needed the repair?
09:08 AM miss0r: He had two guys working on it for a week, and they finally gave up. I went there with a friend, and we had it working in 5 hours :]
09:08 AM fragalot: what was it?
09:08 AM miss0r: Doesn't matter, as long as I get paid :)
09:09 AM miss0r: The input shaft in the gearbox, has a hydraulic clutch and a break, working oposide of eachother. They are fed from a bore inside the input shaft.
09:10 AM miss0r: The part that 'injects' the oil was beat up bad, and was just gushing oil all over the place, so the pressure never build up enough.
09:10 AM miss0r: I don't know how they could ever miss that
09:10 AM fragalot: maybe they didn't and that's why it was so beat up?
09:10 AM miss0r: I turned a new part on one of the custumers lathes, and had it up and running in no time
09:11 AM miss0r: I'm not sure what was going on with that part, but it looked like, amongst other things, like it had been dropped from a low orbit altitude onto a concrete floor several times
09:12 AM fragalot: :/
09:12 AM miss0r: yeah, but it was a simple enough brass part, so it only took about an hour to make it
09:13 AM miss0r: Have you seen this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Ob9sngfgs Nitrogen cooled tooling?
09:13 AM fragalot: :)
09:13 AM fragalot: no
09:13 AM fragalot: nitrogen cooled, yet in a shrinkfit holder... weird
09:14 AM fragalot: I wonder what this does to the tool life time
09:14 AM miss0r: I feel confident they have taken that into account
09:15 AM dioz: fragalot: you finish watching bad obsession motorsports channel?
09:15 AM fragalot: dioz: ep14
09:15 AM dioz: i didn't know but, ep 16 was only made last month
09:16 AM dioz: this build has been going on for 4 fucking years
09:16 AM dioz: 4 years!
09:16 AM fragalot: yeah they've mentioned how long it's taken af ew times, lol
09:16 AM dioz: well if you're gonna do something might as well do it right
09:16 AM dioz: *shrug*
09:17 AM dioz: he said to me: "we're just meant to live in peace! it's obvious that humans are supposed to be peaceful creatures.". i responded with: "are you fucking crazy?".
09:17 AM dioz: woops. disregard that
09:17 AM fragalot: i refuse to disregard that
09:17 AM fragalot: we need more details!
09:33 AM Tom_L: 36F hi 51
09:34 AM dioz: fragalot: the left seems to have this idea that there's some inherent way with which we're supposed to live in the world, when asked about it they typically take the moral high ground and claim it's something like self evident
09:35 AM dioz: for example the united nations declaration of universal human rights
09:35 AM fragalot: I immediately regret asking
09:36 AM dioz: kind of what i figured ;]
09:36 AM miss0r: haha
09:37 AM dioz: i'll finish the thought just for the sake of finishing the thought... for example with the united nations declaration of universal human rights... it itself creates a heirarchy of ideas.
09:37 AM dioz: in that it claims we're allowed to believe what we want to believe yet it's obvious we aren't
09:39 AM fragalot: TLDR: humans are garbage
09:40 AM dioz: i wouldn't say humans are garbage
09:40 AM dioz: just complex
09:41 AM fragalot: dioz: humans are selfish pieces of garbage that are dumb as hell
09:41 AM fragalot: even though a person can be caring and smart
09:41 AM malcom2073_: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a5/55/4f/a5554f1f83e0da670fb2d842f0cc4252.jpg
09:42 AM fragalot: ^
09:42 AM malcom2073_: iirc, even CinemaSins retracted a sin point for that beautiful piece
09:45 AM dioz: i'd say that's two different contexts though
09:46 AM dioz: we look at an invdividual as being smart vs. a group of people being panicky
09:46 AM Tom_L: but you are human so you don't really know :D
09:46 AM dioz: those aren't the same thing
09:47 AM dioz: it's like saying people eat meat... unless they're vegan
09:47 AM fragalot: or vegetarian
09:47 AM fragalot: or have some kind of digestive disease
09:47 AM malcom2073_: Or allergic
09:48 AM dioz: there you go
09:48 AM malcom2073_: dioz: You've missed the point of the quote, you should go re-watch MiB
09:49 AM dioz: spend 2 hours to comprehend some hidden meaning, that may be locked up in YOUR brain?
09:49 AM dioz: can't we just do an interpretive dance?
09:49 AM Tom_L: of course not
09:49 AM Tom_L: we learn by letting history repeat itself...
09:49 AM malcom2073_: dioz: If you wanted to know, I'd tell you, but you don't, so I poke :P
09:50 AM malcom2073_: Besides, it's a good movie
09:50 AM malcom2073_: So worth watching again anyway
09:50 AM dioz: i'd wonder to what extent we "let" history repeat itself vs. how much it's out of our control
09:50 AM dioz: maybe there's implicit biological factors that we have no control over
09:50 AM dioz: that dictate the decisions and directions we go as humans
09:50 AM dioz: i'd say that appears more likely, in my estimation
09:51 AM dioz: our brains function the way they do as a result of millions of years of evolution
09:51 AM malcom2073_: 10,000 years of design*
09:51 AM dioz: to suggest there isn't residual biological functions as a result of that evolution
09:51 AM dioz: over 10,000 years
09:51 AM dioz: millions of years
09:51 AM fragalot: I don't think humans have been around for millions of years
09:52 AM dioz: you're right... but humans didn't start out as humans
09:52 AM dioz: we seperated from lobsters a long fucking time ago
09:52 AM dioz: they have serotonin and so do we
09:55 AM dioz: that isn't the proof that is just an example
09:55 AM fragalot: i don't think anyone is going to argue evolution :-)
09:56 AM dioz: humans aren't apes but we have a common ancestry
09:56 AM dioz: so we could have implicit biological functions that are a result of evolving from apes
09:56 AM dioz: *shrug*
09:57 AM fragalot: speaking of evolution
09:57 AM fragalot: just made it to episode 16
09:58 AM fragalot: good job this is the last one up because this is really eating into my tinkering time
10:31 AM IchGucksLive: hi
10:32 AM gloops: afternoon
10:33 AM IchGucksLive: weathere is fine here the head from spain
10:34 AM gloops: cloudy here, not really cold though
10:51 AM gloops: im looking up about growing winecap mushrooms, got some bins im going to fill with woodchips
10:51 AM IchGucksLive: not that hard to grow mashrooms at this times
10:52 AM gloops: bit warm for white mushrooms in summer here
10:53 AM gloops: winecaps are supposed to be easy and very tasty - ive never tried them
11:02 AM JT-Shop: I hope cutting the bottom out of this aluminum pan goes well on the plasma... never cut aluminum before
11:08 AM IchGucksLive: hi Rob
11:13 AM IchGucksLive: im off
11:19 AM JT-Shop: why would a G38.2 move rapid down some then go into feed mode?
11:25 AM Tom_L: what's the programmed feedrate?
11:25 AM JT-Shop: f10
11:26 AM Tom_L: does G90 G91 affect G38?
11:27 AM Tom_L: shouldn't affect the feed at any rate
11:28 AM Tom_L: G43 might
11:28 AM JT-Shop: no, but having two touchoff.ngc files is a bad thing lol
11:29 AM Tom_L: i've often run into linuxcnc doing what it's told to :)
11:30 AM JT-Shop: lol yup it searches the program prefix path first...
12:08 PM fragalot: Tom_L: fixed it by adjusting the reservoir height
12:10 PM fragalot: well,... improved.
12:12 PM Jymmm: fragalot: Just mount everything on the ceiling... problem solved. <n00b - rolls eyes>
12:12 PM fragalot: there's no room left on my ceiling, nor the walls, nor the floor :P
12:13 PM fragalot: the only flat space i've got left is either a machine bed, or the "I'll just put this here for now" workbench
12:13 PM fragalot: is the*
12:13 PM Jymmm: fragalot: two gallons of gasoline and a road flare... again, problem solved
12:13 PM fragalot: I wouldn't know where to get a road flare
12:13 PM fragalot: I don't think they sell those around here
12:14 PM * Jymmm hands fragalot a box of strike anywhere matches and suggests you play with them on the freeway
12:17 PM JT-Shop: cutting aluminum on the plasma didn't go very well... torch kept diving into the work
12:18 PM Jymmm: JT-Shop: can one usually use a plasma to cut al ?
12:18 PM fragalot: Jymmm: yes
12:18 PM fragalot: JT-Shop: does it have one of those fancy "auto sense" height things then?
12:19 PM JT-Shop: yea
12:19 PM fragalot: ... can you disable it?
12:20 PM JT-Shop: yea
12:20 PM fragalot: did that help?
12:20 PM JT-Shop: I could just cut without it
12:20 PM JT-Shop: I'm done with the cut
12:20 PM fragalot: :)
12:23 PM JT-Shop: and Jim Colt has the answer increase the voltage until proper distance is reached
12:25 PM JT-Shop: hmm it's going the right velocity
12:25 PM JT-Shop: I wish I had more parts to cut...
12:26 PM fragalot: lol
12:33 PM Tom_L: fragalot, yeah i moved my gallon jug around to find the best output
12:34 PM fragalot: dioz: binky when it's completed: https://imgur.com/gallery/SXupj
12:35 PM dioz: hahaha
12:35 PM dioz: gonna need some better lugs
12:35 PM fragalot: they downgraded theirs, remember?
12:35 PM fragalot: 5 bolts to 4
12:35 PM dioz: idk if it'll be that bad
12:35 PM Tom_L: surprised that didn't throw a rod too
12:35 PM dioz: but we'll see!
12:38 PM fragalot: dioz: https://imgur.com/gallery/jBVOG
12:38 PM fragalot: I like the thermal flask
12:39 PM dioz: that is a nice setup!
12:39 PM dioz: skunk2 tuning
12:43 PM enleth: is an $50 50x50cm (20x20in) cast iron surface plate any good/easy to rescue if it's got surface rust?
12:43 PM enleth: and worth the $50
12:44 PM fragalot: depends on the rust and what you expect from it
12:46 PM enleth: flat surface to measure stuff off of, not planning to use it to rub blue off of stuff to scrape/grind but not sure to be honest
12:46 PM enleth: I'll try to get a photo, haven't seen it myself
12:46 PM enleth: but "surface rust" is not a seller
12:46 PM enleth: bah
12:47 PM enleth: not a seller's assesment, but a friend's who buying
12:47 PM fragalot: I wouldn't get a 2nd hand surface plate and trust it to be good if there's no recent calibration certificate
12:47 PM enleth: so it't definitely not a chunk of rust
12:47 PM fragalot: or without personally checking it
12:47 PM enleth: the current owner has been retired for a long time, so it's been sitting in his old shop
12:48 PM enleth: we're buying a Mondiale Celtic 14 lathe from him, in a pretty much prisinte condition, either very lightly used, or very carefully maintained and cleaned
12:49 PM enleth: and it turned out he's got that plate in there too
12:49 PM enleth: *pristine
12:52 PM enleth: (Celtic 14 Mk II to be exact)
12:53 PM fragalot: up to you, really :) I don't think the rust really makes much difference if it's only light
12:53 PM enleth: I do have the means to remove it without marring the surface any further, so I guess I'd be probably left with some light pitting
12:54 PM enleth: shouldn't matter that much if the implements used on the plate have enough surface area to slide over the pits without falling into them
12:54 PM enleth: well, worst case, I could try to re-scrape it
12:55 PM fragalot: if you have a master surface, or other means of checking it that is indeed a very viable option
01:01 PM gloops: http://www.lathes.co.uk/mondiale/page2.html
01:02 PM gloops: ive got a big chuck might fit that heh
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: hi
01:03 PM fragalot: hi
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: Louis_Cypher: still on
01:14 PM enleth: gloops: what kind of chuck mount is that? I haven't been able to figure out so far
01:16 PM gloops: the chuck ive got has a large taper socket - looks like it would fit something like that mount, it locks on place with some cams so far as i can see, dont know what its called
01:16 PM gloops: archivist would probably tell you
01:16 PM enleth: well, I'll probably start looking when we get that lathe
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: i got a bunch of C8R11
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: this is crap
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: 4 got a runout to burst the vfd
01:17 PM enleth: this lathe should be capable of machining its own adapter plate, though, so I suppose this is not a huge issue even if the spindle taper is some weird ass belgian one of a kind snowflake
01:17 PM fragalot: IchGucksLive: C8R11?
01:18 PM fragalot: enleth: hey! >.>
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: fragalot: https://www.ebay.de/itm/C8-ER11A-100L-Spannzangenaufnahme-Spannzangenfutter-fur-Spannzange-Frasmaschine/152321476869
01:18 PM gloops: its a heavy duty mounting enleth thats for sure, i got this chuck with an old machine in a box, doesnt fit anything ive got, but it is a meaty fitting
01:19 PM enleth: fragalot: well the lathe is belgian, so if it's got a weird ass one of a kind taper, it's obviously a weird ass belgian one of a kind taper
01:19 PM gloops: it might say on that link i posted
01:19 PM fragalot: IchGucksLive: ahh, shame.. it seems to be luck of the draw for those
01:19 PM fragalot: the C20ER25 I got was nearly perfect
01:20 PM fragalot: horrible finish, but very concentric
01:20 PM gloops: For the standard lathe the spindle nose was a 5.5 mm pitch 60 mm-diameter thread but for the high-speed version the safe and effective (and at the time very popular) American long taper in an L0 size - two sizes below the much heavier-duty L1 size fitted to the Triumph.
01:20 PM fragalot: enleth: it's probably an american L0 or L1
01:20 PM gloops: so you have the high speed Celtic L0
01:20 PM fragalot: ^
01:22 PM gloops: ill roll this chuck out when im in the garage sometime this week, see if it has any markings, tbh postage would probably be prohinitive to usa anyway it ways a ton
01:22 PM gloops: weighs
01:22 PM gloops: lol#
01:22 PM enleth: gloops: is it a four jaw?
01:22 PM enleth: I mean, independent four jaw
01:22 PM gloops: yes 4 jaw
01:22 PM enleth: well, I could try to have it shipped the slow way
01:23 PM enleth: gloops: you're in the UK, right?
01:23 PM gloops: ive never really looked at it, was going to stick it on ebay but never got round to it
01:23 PM gloops: yeah UK
01:23 PM enleth: there's a ton of shipping companies that do UK-Poland route, and they're usually full towards UK, returning almost empty
01:23 PM enleth: so shipping stuff from UK to Poland can be relatively cheap if you don't mind it being slow
01:23 PM fragalot: shipping to PL is indeed not that expensive
01:24 PM gloops: ok ill get it out and take some photos during the week
01:27 PM enleth: " In line with these changes the optional threaded spindle was (thankfully) dropped and the options introduced of either a long-nose taper in a L0 size, a modern Cam-lock fitting or even a 5 DIN 55022 Bayone"
01:27 PM enleth: this is about the Mk2
01:27 PM enleth: so we'll see when it gets here
01:30 PM gloops: does it come with any chucks?
01:34 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gloster-L0-lathe-chuck-backplate-250mm-Quality-LO/361646482074?
01:34 PM gloops: backplate is rather pricey lol, youll get used for ten bob though
01:46 PM fragalot: gloops: do you know of a place other than arco to get those square/hex ER collet holder blocks?
01:47 PM fragalot: i've only found them on arceurotrade & amazon, both of which require a visa card I don't have
01:49 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: i calculated a easy mashine setup at your 1350 for 16mm SK16 for a non force mashine
01:49 PM IchGucksLive: and ended up on 370Euos with Ballscrews
01:50 PM IchGucksLive: so the gap to sqare is only 50 euros
01:50 PM IchGucksLive: no way to crap on this different
01:51 PM IchGucksLive: then go crap square rail mount on AL-profile is better then using sk16 at 750mm dist
01:51 PM IchGucksLive: im off bye for today Gn8
01:51 PM gloops: ebay fragalot? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hex-ER-32-Collet-Block-Spring-Chuck-Collet-Holder-for-Latch-Engraving-Machine/152674726987?
01:52 PM gloops: oh hes gone - i only paid £200 for screws, rails and bearing blocks, 3 sets of each
01:52 PM fragalot: Sweet, i've not had any luck finding those myself
01:52 PM fragalot: now to hope that seller ships to .be
01:52 PM gloops: what size collet, although suggestions should come up with some leads
01:53 PM fragalot: ER32
01:53 PM gregcnc_: http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/catalogue/results.aspx?search=collet+block
01:53 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: that's why I specifically said "aside from arceurotrade" :P
01:54 PM fragalot: only payment method I have for them is bank transfer, and because the UK is a penis and uses £ rather than €, it costs me over ~€75 to transfer regardless of the amount.
01:55 PM gloops: well, progressing with wiring now just switches, and maybe a sort of design error, the cable loom coming off the Y axis is very close to the wall, i didnt go with drag chain for that but i think i will have to
01:55 PM gregcnc_: being likely china sourced they should turn up other places
01:55 PM gloops: i was just going to let them hang as theres nothing they can snag
01:55 PM fragalot: gloops: go for drag chain if you want your machine to last
01:56 PM gloops: im going to need something like 50mm drag
01:56 PM gregcnc_: it was cheaper for me to order a couple odd holders from arceuro and ship to the US. I thought I used paypal
01:56 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: they don't accept paypal as far a I can see
01:57 PM gregcnc_: yeah, I checked it was credit card
01:57 PM fragalot: yea.. I don't have one of those.
02:00 PM gregcnc_: Is 5C common in Europe?
02:00 PM fragalot: not really
02:01 PM fragalot: bit of a shame really, it seems like a nice collet system
02:02 PM gregcnc_: is there another collet system in smaller lathes?
02:03 PM fragalot: I don't actually know
02:04 PM gregcnc_: the amount of 5C tooling here available is tremendous
02:24 PM gloops: i bet many a happy hour was spent with this little setup https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-model-makers-lathe-bandsaw-grinding-wheel/162939240464?
02:24 PM gloops: that is the original grandads shed
02:25 PM Tom_L: what are those collet blocks for?
02:27 PM gregcnc_: hold round parts in a vise to index them is typical
02:28 PM fragalot: ^
02:28 PM fragalot: saves a lot of setup time
02:28 PM Tom_L: limited to 60 deg
02:28 PM fragalot: or 90
02:28 PM gregcnc_: covers a lot of parts
02:29 PM fragalot: how many cases do you have where the index you're doing is not 90 or 60?
02:29 PM Tom_L: as i remember on aircraft parts, quit a few
02:29 PM Tom_L: most general parts probably would be
02:30 PM fragalot: for special indexes I don't mind taking out the indexing head
02:30 PM Tom_L: practically nothing on aircraft are flat or square :D
02:30 PM fragalot: but if all I need are 2 flats, or a hex head.. what an ordeal
02:30 PM Tom_L: i can see that
02:36 PM Jymmm: The line that feeds the rear window washer fluid came apart under the dash. It runs right along side all the electrical and ABS module (of fucking course), the entire passengar floor is flooded!
02:37 PM Jymmm: Trying to dry it out now so it doesn;t mold any more than it already has.
02:38 PM Jymmm: It looks like a "insert-to-fit" Tee came loose. It's Sunday, a "ford part", and I have to drive 2 hours away at 5am.
02:39 PM Jymmm: Any suggestions on how to "seal" such a fitting? It's apx 1/4" tubing, and the closest hardware store is 25 miles away
02:39 PM gregcnc_: push connect?
02:40 PM Jymmm: gregcnc_: I THINK so, I haven't gotten in there to be 100% sure
02:40 PM gregcnc_: insane they run it though the passenger compartment
02:40 PM Jymmm: trying to dry everything out as much as aI can
02:40 PM gregcnc_: shop vac
02:40 PM Jymmm: gregcnc_: and right along all the electrical too
02:40 PM CaptHindsight: I keep an assorted box of plastic tee's around, but depending on how it is cracked some epoxy could work for a quick fix
02:41 PM Jymmm: gregcnc_: The underlament (1" thick) is solid soaked. running heater in car, it's too cold outside
02:41 PM gregcnc_: chance of spark is minimal, but the mess and I can't stand breathing the methanol when i clena the windows let alone a leak like that
02:41 PM fragalot: Jymmm: the aircon is quite good at pulling out moisture too
02:41 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: it's not a "barbed" tee, the tubing goes INSIDE the fitting
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: if the AC will kick on below 50F
02:41 PM Jymmm: fragalot: ???
02:42 PM fragalot: Jymmm: air conditioning, if it works
02:42 PM gregcnc_: if the fitting itself didn't break the tubing may have
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: I'd just plug it for now
02:42 PM Jymmm: fragalot: ah, well the heater will burn your feet on hhigh, so using it atm
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: until you get the part
02:42 PM fragalot: the way it cools the air means that any moisture in the air condenses on the heat exchanger
02:42 PM fragalot: Jymmm: sure, as long as the moisture has somewhere to go :)
02:43 PM CaptHindsight: I drive 25 miles to get lunch so don't ask me
02:43 PM Jymmm: gregcnc_: Yeah, from the look of the existing mold under the trim pieces, tells me it's been leaking for a LONG time. so not sure what is broke just yet.
02:44 PM Jymmm: LEt me post a pic...
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: http://i.imgur.com/noRce2P.jpg hope it's not like this
02:44 PM gregcnc_: fark
02:45 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: please tell me that that was a happy candlewax / cotton candy explosion
02:45 PM Jymmm: https://i.imgur.com/uCRWZQL.jpg
02:46 PM Jymmm: Look in the track where the trim pieces would normally cover
02:46 PM Jymmm: all the way from under the dash, to just in front of the REAR tire
02:46 PM Jymmm: I had to pop a floor plug just to drain all the fluid
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: they do that so that the floor pans wear out just after the factory warranty runs out
02:47 PM gregcnc_: I guess research said it would never fail under warranty
02:47 PM gloops: vinegar solution will kill the mold
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: I just replaced the floor pans in a car
02:47 PM Jymmm: gregcnc_: Warranty + 10 seconds
02:48 PM Jymmm: gloops: thanks I have some vinegar
02:48 PM Jymmm: gloops: I didn't want to use bleach
02:48 PM gloops: bleach not a good idea no
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: when I pulled the sound deadner/insulation out from under the carpet the iron oxide came out with it
02:49 PM Jymmm: I just need to dry out all the electrical atm
02:49 PM Jymmm: that's the last fucking thing I need tomorrow
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, tends to happen when you have a few busy days in front of you
02:49 PM Jymmm: drive 250 miles then get an electrical short/fire
02:50 PM fragalot: Jymmm: wiper fluid generally contains a lot of alcohol
02:50 PM fragalot: I don't think throwing in vinegar is going to do you any good
02:50 PM fragalot: just dry it out
02:50 PM Jymmm: fragalot: it's worth a shot and I already have a spray bottle I can use.
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: sponge it out
02:51 PM CaptHindsight: dry with rags
02:51 PM fragalot: Jymmm: if you can stand the smell..
02:51 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Can't, see that "rag matting"? it's soaked and ticker than a sponge
02:51 PM CaptHindsight: wiper fluid should not mold
02:51 PM gloops: i dont mean throw neat vinegar on, just spray some diluted, it kills the mold, tbh the mold should just wipe off at this point, but mold will stain the upholstry after a while
02:51 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: see the pic, that's mold
02:52 PM fragalot: OH
02:52 PM fragalot: oh*
02:52 PM Jymmm: gloops: I'll dilute it down
02:53 PM gloops: i left a car on the drive for while, perfect inside, never opened the door for ages, when i did i was gutted, it was mouldy everywhere, nothing got it off
02:53 PM Jymmm: But, if the parts it's broke, just loose, any suggestons to sealing it good?
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: plug the leak, fix later when you have time
02:53 PM Jymmm: isn't broke*
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: semantics
02:54 PM fragalot: Jymmm: replace the pushconnect, shorten hose a little bit to a fresh section, that's the only way to fix it
02:54 PM fragalot: assuming hose is fine
02:54 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: yeah, I might just plug it. But I want to seal it PERMANENTLY. ideas?
02:54 PM Jymmm: so this doens't happene again I mean
02:55 PM fragalot: you can get pushconnect plugs - or you can DIY one with a short piece of hose & a heat gun
02:55 PM Jymmm: like some kind of sealing tape?
02:55 PM fragalot: heat hose until very soft, pinch with pliers, and it should weld itself shut
02:55 PM fragalot: sealing tape is not a permanent solution
02:56 PM Jymmm: fragalot: If I have to, I'll toss vide-grips on the line temporarily
02:56 PM gregcnc_: pushconnect use orings that fit over the tubing providing the seal
02:56 PM gloops: yeah tiny pair of mole grips
02:56 PM fragalot: Jymmm: just disconnect the hose & pop a proper size plastic plug in the pushconnect hole then
02:56 PM Jymmm: gloops: Yeah, we know that failed. Just trying to think of something better
02:57 PM gloops: it failed? mole grips seal brake pipes
02:57 PM Jymmm: fragalot: I'm speaking of a PERMANENT solution, not a temporary till-I-have-time-to-dela-with-it properly
02:57 PM fragalot: Jymmm: let's back up
02:57 PM fragalot: what is your goal
02:57 PM fragalot: permanently disable the line
02:57 PM fragalot: or fix a leak
02:58 PM gloops: can of builders foam, squirt up the tube, job done
02:58 PM CaptHindsight: can we post embellished fictional stories of how to repair it now?
02:58 PM Jymmm: fragalot: Fix the leak BETTER then ford made it so it doens't happene in the future
02:58 PM gregcnc_: capt, yes I would find the line coming from the tank and buh-bye
02:58 PM fragalot: Jymmm: replace line with high-temp grade hose, replace pushfit.
02:58 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Wednesday please, not now.
02:58 PM fragalot: Jymmm: sleeve the hose if you are paranoid.
02:58 PM CaptHindsight: oK
02:58 PM Jymmm: fragalot: with?
02:59 PM gregcnc_: new
02:59 PM gregcnc_: they last ages
02:59 PM fragalot: Jymmm: with a new hose & a larger hose as a sleeve
02:59 PM Jymmm: fragalot: Ok, that's not gonna happen today sadly
02:59 PM Jymmm: gregcnc_: if you look at the pic, it seems it's been leaking for years
03:00 PM gregcnc_: did i miss what actually broke?
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: you don't need a rear wiper till Wednesday, pinch it and move on
03:00 PM Jymmm: gregcnc_: I think it's the push titting tee,
03:00 PM Jymmm: I'm focusing on drying out the electrical and the flooring padding
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: see, focus on what is important
03:01 PM Jymmm: let me check that progress,,, brb
03:01 PM gloops: the carpets wont dry for ages
03:02 PM gloops: cars are designed by total morons these days
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: hey those are engineers :)
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: and a degree is a degree
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: just ask management
03:03 PM gloops: well put it another way, cars are designed FOR total morons
03:03 PM gregcnc_: why don't they just keep the same model and fix all the problem until it has no problems?
03:03 PM fragalot: anyone know what the 2 top left clamps are called? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intergrips-Weld-Clamps-Sheet-Metal-Fasteners-10pk-With-Cleco-Temporary-Rivets-/121548568241
03:04 PM gloops: people who will never try to repair the car or have the slightest interest in how it works
03:04 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: they do that, except they move problems elsewhere
03:04 PM gloops: same kind of grip as pipe spanners
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: from the ad: 2 x Edge Clamp
03:05 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: that's a very generic term to find :P
03:05 PM fragalot: just noticed though that they're just spring loaded
03:05 PM gloops: if we're removing a brake caliper, we just use small mole grips on the rubber pipe, stops the system draining
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: metallic adjustable pressure edge clamps
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: inthe states we only have vise grips and their knockoffs
03:06 PM fragalot: you've got cant twist clamps too
03:07 PM Jymmm: IT looks like they hd plasti-weld a fitting on the tube and and it was a poor/bad weld
03:07 PM Jymmm: had*
03:07 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Locking-Pliers-Long-Nose-Mole-Grip-Locking-Vice-Grip-Pliers-9-Locking-grips/150868647739?
03:08 PM gloops: they sell a tiny version of that at the £1 shops theyre perfect
03:08 PM gloops: pretty useless for almost anything else
03:08 PM Jymmm: gloops: and rounded nuts
03:08 PM fragalot: I use the tiny ones quite often, works well for sheet metal & tight spots
03:08 PM gloops: oh yeah, proper mole grips are very useful
03:08 PM fragalot: though cheapest i've found was €12
03:09 PM Jymmm: I hae a pair of those already,
03:09 PM Jymmm: have*
03:09 PM gloops: fragalot th size isnt the problem with the £1 ones, theyre just poor quality
03:09 PM Jymmm: I'll use them if I have to, but I'd rather perm fix this
03:10 PM fragalot: gloops: ah right. poundland seems to be a gamble on what they have in terms of quality
03:10 PM fragalot: I've got a little tripod seat that I got like 6 years ago that still works fine
03:10 PM fragalot: can't say anything else I bought there is still working though, lol
03:10 PM gregcnc_: poundland must be like dollar general or dollar tree?
03:10 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: probably
03:10 PM gloops: they sometimes get end of line stuff that was actually decent quality
03:10 PM fragalot: don't have any similar stores in .be
03:11 PM fragalot: there is a shop called "action" that sells cheap tat, but it's still far more expensive than a dollar store would be
03:11 PM gloops: for rounded nuts a nut splitter is useful
03:11 PM fragalot: I prefer to not round nuts to begin with
03:11 PM fragalot: :P
03:11 PM fragalot: I've replaced all of my nut rounders with these: https://www.amazon.com/Knipex-8603250-10-Inch-Pliers-Wrench/dp/B000X4OG94/ref=sr_1_3/130-6440627-6467829?ie=UTF8&qid=1520799037&sr=8-3&keywords=knipex+parallel+pliers
03:12 PM gloops: with cars you might be facing a previous bodgers handiwork though
03:12 PM fragalot: gloops: weld on a fresh nut, i've never had luck with mole grips on seized nuts
03:13 PM gregcnc_: I think i found a new carreer http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/06/union-coffee-boys-pulled-in-over-42-hour-working-hudson-yards-project-lawsuit-charges.html
03:13 PM gloops: try some of these fragalot https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Draper-Nut-Splitter-Set-for-Removing-Siezed-Damaged-Stuck-Nuts-Bolts-55108-NC922/360738265461?
03:13 PM fragalot: gloops: do you know of an EU equivalent to kant twist clamps btw?
03:13 PM gloops: they also come in with the catch plate on a lathe lol
03:13 PM fragalot: gloops: those work great, if you can get them on
03:14 PM gloops: eu equivalent, hmm no
03:14 PM fragalot: or a place that sells them that doesn't ask for BOTH kidneys
03:14 PM fragalot: ebay is out because shipping is always higher than the clamp costs
03:15 PM gloops: probably welders supplies, they are expensive
03:15 PM fragalot: local welder supplies only carry bessey
03:18 PM gloops: nah cant see anything - i dont know anywhere i physically visit
03:18 PM fragalot: k
03:19 PM fragalot: I'll jsut stick to standard G clamps for now then
03:22 PM gloops: its funny i can send those to the south coast for £2.80, the postage should be that much to go over the sea 25 miles
03:22 PM gloops: shouldnt
03:27 PM gloops: gregcnc $42 an hour isnt bad for hand delivering in a financial area
03:28 PM gloops: some of the burger kings in london are making 50k a week a plus
03:28 PM fragalot: gloops: I think it's more the "charging 12hrs a day, for a year, non-stop" racking up overtime
03:28 PM gloops: lol, creative accounting
03:31 PM gloops: ( by burger king i dont mean the multinational, i mean individual with mobile burger stalls)
03:32 PM Jymmm: I found some stretch sealing tape I had
03:32 PM Jymmm: good for 100psi
03:32 PM fragalot: can it handle chemicals?
03:33 PM Jymmm: nfc
04:01 PM gloops: wow, £1 milling machine https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Horizontal-Milling-Machine-Denbigh-Cast-Iron-steel/232691113708?
04:01 PM fragalot: 1,20
04:02 PM gloops: rounded down
04:02 PM fragalot: it's still got 3 days left.. I wouldn't expect it to stay that low
04:02 PM gloops: doesnt look like it will go for a lot though, hardly surprising really
04:03 PM SpeedEvil: Collection heavy machines really shrinks the value
04:03 PM SpeedEvil: The above machine will not go through most letterboxes without dissasembly.
04:04 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: that depends on how fast it's going
04:04 PM gloops: yeah, id have these kind of things for nothing, IF they were fairly local, im not going to kent for that
04:04 PM SpeedEvil: I diddn't say what would be dissasembled.
04:05 PM gloops: i guess that would do the job though, with some coaxing
04:05 PM * SpeedEvil idly wonders about 3d printing cast iron.
04:05 PM SpeedEvil: - followed up by an annealing step of course
04:06 PM fragalot: I think the high carbon content might interfere with 3D printing processes
04:07 PM fragalot: being easy to weld is kinda one of the major requirements
04:07 PM SpeedEvil: I was imagining SLS type idea
04:07 PM andypugh: That Denbeigh is also not very useful, really.
04:07 PM fragalot: that's still welding.
04:09 PM SpeedEvil: yes
04:09 PM andypugh: http://www.lathes.co.uk/denbigh/page3.html
04:09 PM SpeedEvil: andypugh: yeah - you'd need a bigger horizontal mill in order to be able to properly strap down Bond.
04:12 PM gloops: well if you have the space, for what it fetch - i dunno £80-£120
04:15 PM andypugh: Better to spend about £350 on something more useful, I would say.
04:16 PM andypugh: 2.75” Y travel on the Denbigh.
04:16 PM gloops: yes if you want a reliable versatile machine, forget that kind of stuff
04:19 PM gloops: it does seem strange looking at some of these old machines though, going for less than a cordless drill costs
04:20 PM andypugh: These are cool, but a lot more money: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Abenie-Universal-Milling-Machine/292472232471
04:22 PM gloops: thats a lot more machine though
04:24 PM fragalot: https://imgur.com/gallery/5bsH8 <- this is even more machine
04:27 PM gloops: the front view mirror would take some getting used to
04:31 PM gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTQjRZ84nG4
04:35 PM fragalot: i'm not sure if you actually steer those, or hang on for dear life
04:36 PM gloops: yeah the front wheel is just for steering it to the start line i think
04:46 PM CaptHindsight: at first I thought it was a scene from Idiocracy I had missed
04:49 PM CaptHindsight: I really can't tell the difference anymore
04:51 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: what now?
05:11 PM Louis_Cypher: Hey guys
05:12 PM Louis_Cypher: fragalot, gloops
05:12 PM Louis_Cypher: The machine is up and running
05:12 PM fragalot: sweeet :-)
05:12 PM Louis_Cypher: TB6600 and DM 542A running on the same ports of the BOB without any problems
05:13 PM Louis_Cypher: To be honest, I am currently asking myself why I spent so much for the DM542A
05:13 PM gloops: excellent Louis
05:13 PM Deejay: gn8
05:13 PM Louis_Cypher: Can't see any difference between 35$ and 7$ ;-)
05:14 PM Louis_Cypher: Short question about homing: On GRBL I can run a program without homing. How can I do that on linuxcnc?
05:14 PM Louis_Cypher: My homing currently doesn't work properly
05:14 PM fragalot: I think you have to remove them from stepconf
05:14 PM Louis_Cypher: Guessing my homing direction is wrong or the like
05:15 PM Louis_Cypher: That's not my favorite ;-)
05:15 PM Louis_Cypher: Maybe I should just fix homing
05:15 PM fragalot: probably
05:15 PM Louis_Cypher: Getting a limit switch error right after the homing hits the switch the first time
05:15 PM gloops: whats happening with homing?
05:16 PM Louis_Cypher: Setup for "Both Limit and Home Switch"
05:16 PM Louis_Cypher: Getting a limit switch error right after the homing hits the switch the first time
05:16 PM fragalot: i'm off to bed, gnite all
05:16 PM Louis_Cypher: good nite#
05:16 PM gloops: dont know, i would use it as a home switch only to start with
05:16 PM gloops: goodnight
05:17 PM Louis_Cypher: I guess my homing direction is wrong
05:17 PM Louis_Cypher: I don't feel comfortable running this monster without limit switches active
05:17 PM Louis_Cypher: It's not a Shapeoko anymore ;-)
05:18 PM Louis_Cypher: Will check that tomorrow...
05:18 PM gregcnc_: did you set ignore limits
05:18 PM gloops: yeah im going to bed as well now
05:19 PM Louis_Cypher: It wasn't possible
05:19 PM Louis_Cypher: I can't run a program without homing
05:19 PM gregcnc_: that is home_ignore_limits for homing configuration
05:19 PM gregcnc_: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-homing.html
05:21 PM Louis_Cypher: So basically you're saying this is something I can't fix without leaving stepconf and diving into ini files?
05:21 PM gregcnc_: ini files aren't hard
05:22 PM gregcnc_: some thigns just can't be configured from step conf, though i haven't used it in a long time
05:22 PM Louis_Cypher: I'll give it a try tomorrow. Will try to check homing direction first ( had a similar problem on GRBL) and if that doesn't work I'll dive into ini files
05:23 PM Louis_Cypher: Thanks a lot and good night
05:49 PM zeeshan: 1 hour of sleep stolen
05:55 PM Tom_L: i feel robbed
05:55 PM Tom_L: zeeshan you do much with F360?
06:03 PM CaptHindsight: zeeshan: you get it back in 6months after you don't care anymore
07:13 PM Jymmm: car fixed, thank all
07:13 PM Tom_L: glad to help
07:13 PM Tom_L: wtf did i do?
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: Hey guys hope you all are having a nice weekend. My wife and kids are off for Spring Break but I gotta work tomorrow :(
07:39 PM jdh: somebody has to do it.
07:39 PM Tom_L: watching F360 videos
07:39 PM BeachBumPete: I suppose
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: awesome man been in/under my van all weekend
07:40 PM Tom_L: done?
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: Still not finished with it sadly
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: just picked up the fel pro gasket set to start putting it back together
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: to be honest I took a LOT of breaks :)
07:41 PM BeachBumPete: my wife does not need her car for the next few days so I can take hers to work and finish it up after work
07:42 PM BeachBumPete: I am honestly unsure about whether or not I need to replace this fuel injection spider thing.... the car ran fine before but I hear it is a bitch and can fail unexpectedly
07:42 PM Tom_L: if it ain't broke...
07:42 PM BeachBumPete: IKR
07:43 PM BeachBumPete: the damn replacement part is like $350
07:44 PM Tom_L: you figure out how to bring in other vendors' files?
07:44 PM malcom2073_: ewww, that spider sucks
07:45 PM BeachBumPete: not sure what you mean
07:46 PM BeachBumPete: and yeah the spider is a kind of bitch but not all that bad really. You just gotta remove the upper intake manifold plenum to get to it.
07:46 PM Tom_L: things besides .igs .step etc
07:47 PM Tom_L: regular SW or catia files for example
07:47 PM BeachBumPete: yeah the model I used was SW model
07:47 PM Tom_L: unless this 'tip' is an old one...
07:58 PM Tom_L: it will insert McMaster parts direct to your model...
09:00 PM BeachBumPete: thats pretty cool
09:02 PM Tom_itx: you can suppress details to add constraints if you need to
09:03 PM Tom_itx: recomended on things like screws with threads etc
09:07 PM BeachBumPete: ya know the only thing bothering me about using F360 is that I am expecting them to pull the carpet out
09:07 PM Tom_itx: i'm looking it over a bit
09:07 PM Tom_itx: not gonna get too attached
09:08 PM BeachBumPete: it would be a shame if they did its really quite good...
09:09 PM Tom_itx: if it gets new designers to use it commercially it will have done it's job for them
09:09 PM Tom_itx: just like eagle did
09:10 PM Tom_itx: maybe they got the concept from eagle, after all they bought it
09:11 PM BeachBumPete: not familiar with it...
09:12 PM Tom_itx: pcb software
09:17 PM zeeshan: Tom_L: no f360 for me
09:17 PM Tom_itx: i finally decided to take a peek at it
09:18 PM zeeshan: i've used it
09:18 PM Tom_itx: your thoughts?
09:19 PM zeeshan: better than most entry level cad software out there, does all the basics for cheap and intuitively
09:19 PM zeeshan: but i do not think it'll catch onto mainstream industry soon..
09:19 PM zeeshan: like we get it for free with out subscription of inventor
09:20 PM zeeshan: but no one wants to use it, due to it's cloud nature
09:20 PM zeeshan: i think for a small shop and hobbiest, it is godsend :)
09:20 PM zeeshan: imagine having to cad in sketchup :P
09:21 PM zeeshan: Tom_itx: are you still using catia
09:21 PM Tom_itx: i was showing it to an instructor at the vo-tech and he commented it's layout is alot like the 'NEW' catia
09:21 PM Tom_itx: v6 or whatever it is now
09:21 PM Tom_itx: yes
09:23 PM Tom_itx: i think for the moment anyway, i can go from idea to gcode quicker with what i currently use
10:07 PM dioz: anyone got a good youtube channel for me?
10:07 PM dioz: i need something new to watch
10:08 PM dioz: prefereably something involving fabrication
10:15 PM XXCoder: whew
10:16 PM XXCoder: finished couple walls, both with hard to do sections
10:16 PM XXCoder: now 3 walls to go out of 6