#linuxcnc Logs
Mar 10 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:51 AM fragalot: hi
01:16 AM Deejay: moin
01:21 AM gloops: morning
01:21 AM fragalot: hi
01:31 AM gloops: anything happening in the cnc world toDAY?
01:34 AM gloops: kicking myself for not bidding another £1 on a router cutter - id bid 5 it went for 5.27 or something, looked the price up £60 new
01:36 AM CaptHindsight: I thought CNCing was closed for today
01:36 AM fragalot: is it?
01:36 AM CaptHindsight: pre- St Pats shutdown/preparedness day
01:36 AM CaptHindsight: check the control for gremlins and leprechauns
01:38 AM gloops: well my ordinary level cnc education is finished, theres nothing left i need to know
01:40 AM fragalot: that's a bold statement
01:41 AM gloops: i can build any 3 axis machine fragalot
01:41 AM gloops: i might have trouble finishing it...but i know how
01:41 AM fragalot: Even the employees at Haas learn something new every day
01:41 AM fragalot: there is always something else you should know that you don't know yet
01:42 AM CaptHindsight: ha haas
01:42 AM fragalot: CaptHindsight: they make neat toys.
01:42 AM CaptHindsight: sometimes you don't even know what you don't know yet
01:42 AM gloops: yes there is, but once you have a certain amount of knowledge you can work the rest out as and when it becomes an issue
01:43 AM CaptHindsight: time to snooze
01:43 AM fragalot: gnite CaptHindsight
01:43 AM CaptHindsight: have work tomorrow/later today really
01:43 AM gloops: no social media before bed
01:44 AM CaptHindsight: fragalot: are you gmt +1?
01:44 AM CaptHindsight: -6 here for another 24 hours
01:45 AM fragalot: CaptHindsight: it's 8:44 here.
01:45 AM CaptHindsight: yeah 1:44 here
01:45 AM fragalot: do you not sleep? :P
01:45 AM CaptHindsight: from 3-11
01:46 AM CaptHindsight: nothing ever good ever happens before noon!
01:46 AM fragalot: lol
01:46 AM fragalot: I need to clean out the pig stye called the workshop today & get started building a vibrating table that can hold 300kg
01:46 AM gloops: that reminds me of that old dean martin quote
01:48 AM gloops: cant remember the words actually lol
01:48 AM gloops: something like - the teetotaller might wake up feeling great - but thats the best hes gonna feel all day
01:49 AM CaptHindsight: I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day.
01:49 AM gloops: thats the one
01:50 AM CaptHindsight: I was so drunk last night I fell down and missed the floor.
01:50 AM gloops: fragalot you can buy a vibrating motor for that, lemme see..
01:51 AM gloops: the one about - you know youre not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on
01:51 AM fragalot: gloops: i've got a crappy plate steel motor that I replaced on my lathe that I plan to use
01:51 AM fragalot: I won't care if it wrecks itself as long as it lasts 2 pours
01:52 AM gloops: a place i worked when i was a lad, they tried to make a vibrating motor - ordinary motor with a cam theyd made fitted to the end, it did work - some experimentation was needed to get the cam right, to avoid monstrous vibes and get it down to something useable
01:53 AM gloops: they did however abandon it in favour of a factory made vibrating motor
01:53 AM fragalot: I've got an old steel flange I made to make a blower at some point where I can just screw in bolts on one side to offset the weight
01:53 AM fragalot: not really expecting any issues, other than the motor itself falling apart
01:53 AM gloops: you basically just need something running out on the motor spindle
01:55 AM gloops: a proper vibrating table is strange, its like you cant actually touch it
01:56 AM gloops: you can also get a vibrating poker
01:56 AM fragalot: not for EG
01:56 AM fragalot: for normal concrete, those pokers work GREAT
01:56 AM gloops: would work the same?
01:56 AM fragalot: the epoxy sticks to the poker too much
01:57 AM fragalot: and it doesn't flow into the hole you poked properly
01:57 AM fragalot: vacuuming the batches prior to pour & vibrating the mold is the way to go imho.
01:57 AM gloops: see that raises the question - will any vibrating have much effect?
01:57 AM fragalot: it will make a HUGE difference.
01:58 AM fragalot: but it has to be the whole mass.
01:58 AM gloops: if the stuff wont flow into a void its not likely much air will move in the mix
01:58 AM fragalot: the issue with the poker isn't that it doesn't work, it's that the hole doesn't flow back
01:58 AM fragalot: because you remove the vibration source
01:58 AM gloops: and the particles will sink, like grannies cherry cake , all on the bottom
01:59 AM fragalot: yes and no
01:59 AM fragalot: if it does, your mix was off
01:59 AM gloops: if it does your 600 euros is gone lol
01:59 AM fragalot: that's why i'm going to waste a fair amount on tests once it all arrives :-)
02:00 AM fragalot: I don't mind ruining 50eur of epoxy to see if what i'm about to do will work
02:00 AM gloops: when is the pour scheduled for?
02:01 AM fragalot: probably mid or late april if i'm honest
02:01 AM fragalot: the epoxy won't be here for another 2 weeks because of the non-standard vacuum pump I ordered
02:01 AM gloops: hmm, youll probably have done by the time i get round to making anything else
02:01 AM fragalot: and i'm going to scotland in april for a bit
02:01 AM fragalot: plus I still need to order & process all of the steel inserts
02:01 AM fragalot: and that's just for the 1st mold
02:02 AM fragalot: if I complete the whole machine by the end of this year i'll be happy.
02:02 AM gloops: im half inspired to try a cast with poly resin, but i wont be ready before then so nothing useful would be learned from it
02:09 AM gloops: https://www.thesun.co.uk/uncategorized/5770295/man-spends-250k-on-ride-by-mistake/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SprnklrSUNOrganic&UTMX=Editorial:TheSun:TwLink,noimage:Statement:News
02:10 AM gloops: pensioner buys 250 roundabout by mistake, at £3 a ride he only needs 83333 customers to get his money back
02:10 AM gloops: 250k
02:11 AM fragalot: Whoops.
02:15 AM gloops: you know, my thought of making a laminated shell, to fill with cement concrete, inspired by your plans fragalot, could have some marketable potential
02:15 AM HighInBC: what a dope
02:16 AM HighInBC: who bids that big by accident
02:16 AM gloops: if you designed various plugs for different machines, lathe, mill etc, made molds, to make the finished shells, you could sell the ready made shells
02:16 AM fragalot: gloops: feel free to use 'm. I have no commercial interest.
02:16 AM gloops: people might be interested in buying a ready made shell, all they have to do is mix concrete and pour it in
02:17 AM gloops: i wont do it ive got enough to do lol
02:19 AM gloops: see you could make the shells with a glass finish, any colour, all ready to take fittings, it takes all the roughness and guesswork out of building with conrete, and very cheap machine too - it would sell
02:24 AM gloops: although probably within the first 6 you sold, someone would be buying to take molds from it lol
02:36 AM gloops: right, ive got y to wire up and one x motor, solder wires to spindle fitting, some general arsing about, im that close yet it seems like a massive job, very weary of this job now
02:37 AM fragalot: so quit complaining and get it over with? :)
02:37 AM gloops: i just cant nail it lol
02:38 AM gloops: one more cup of tea
02:40 AM gloops: one thing ive learned - its better to do this in longer spells, a full week at it, you achieve more than the same amount of hours in small chunks
03:09 AM XXCoder: hey CaptHindsight ya in?
03:11 AM XXCoder: guess not]
03:12 AM XXCoder: gloops: yeah thats due to warm-up time when starting
03:49 AM gloops: i did seriously underestimate the time the wiring would take
03:50 AM gloops: it takes a couple of hours to wire things up just to get it to move - totally different job wiring a proper box up and routing cables round a 6x4 ft frame
03:50 AM XXCoder: it took me much longer lol
03:51 AM XXCoder: it was really hard for me to build up enough movation
03:51 AM XXCoder: and now its stalled long term
03:51 AM gloops: yeah motivation is my problem, its just taken a bit too long
03:51 AM XXCoder: youre VERY active compared to mne
03:52 AM XXCoder: it took me over a year just to start getting wiring together and working
03:52 AM gloops: lol, it would take years in little dribs and drabs
03:52 AM XXCoder: it was 4 hours each time I did something
03:52 AM XXCoder: but it would be weeks beween those days
03:53 AM gloops: my main mnetal blockage is not the machine, its that everything else is going to pot while im spending this much time with this project
03:54 AM gloops: XXCoder leaving off it has added a lot of time - of those 4 hours the first hour or two is just getting your head back around where you were last time, and finding the tools and stuff again
03:55 AM XXCoder: yeah thats pretty big problem
03:55 AM XXCoder: im considering converting my crappy 3d printer into cnc plotter
03:56 AM XXCoder: or maybe a 2.5d cmm
03:56 AM gloops: for cutting vinyl?
03:56 AM XXCoder: nah plotter dont cut anything
03:57 AM gloops: what does it do draw/sketch?
03:57 AM XXCoder: yeah
03:57 AM gloops: should be fairly easy to do, i imagine some kind of spring loaded pen
03:57 AM XXCoder: yeah
03:58 AM XXCoder: one of ideas I plan to evenually do is make universal holder
03:58 AM XXCoder: any diameter
03:58 AM XXCoder: as long as its round or round-ish
03:59 AM XXCoder: essentally it would be V holder with clamp on top with set screw
03:59 AM gloops: yeah a v would grab most round things
03:59 AM XXCoder: set screw may have rubber tip or something. whole assembly is on springs
03:59 AM gloops: you could print that?
04:00 AM XXCoder: I dont think there would be much nesscary travel for springs. 5 mm may be enough for everything
04:00 AM gloops: should be if z axis still moves
04:00 AM XXCoder: yeah
04:00 AM XXCoder: im not sure how firm spring should be though
04:00 AM XXCoder: or maybe THAT also use set screw, to set firmness
04:02 AM XXCoder: 2 rods, to hold springs and also align assembly, and set bolt in middle to hold together AND also set minium force
04:02 AM XXCoder: not too bad idea eh
04:02 AM XXCoder: you gave me some ideas.
04:03 AM gloops: lol, ive never even seen a 3d printer irl
04:03 AM XXCoder: you could get one for $130 lol
04:03 AM XXCoder: it would be fine if you have engineering skills.
04:05 AM gloops: ive mentioned it to the mrs actually, could have one inside - told her theyre very quite and unobtrusive, i can have something to play with at the side of me lol
04:05 AM gloops: quiet
04:05 AM XXCoder: if want quieter sla would be better. more money on materals though lol
04:05 AM XXCoder: and other limitions also
04:05 AM gloops: hmm thats the thing, i dont know anything about it all
04:06 AM XXCoder: its still very early
04:06 AM XXCoder: some stuff is very black arts
04:06 AM XXCoder: cnc milling is quite old compared to that
04:06 AM XXCoder: nothing compared to lathe of course but yeah
04:06 AM gloops: probably better off sticking to my plan, i havent got time to finish this no good starting with something else
04:06 AM XXCoder: indeed
04:07 AM XXCoder: plus with nicely working mill you can make much better 3d printer parts lol
04:07 AM XXCoder: theres people trying to make cnc mill out of 3d printer or other way
04:07 AM XXCoder: those have very different requirements.
04:07 AM XXCoder: though if you go large enough... it doesnt matter anymore.
04:08 AM XXCoder: a61 at work certainly can be 3d printer, its very fast
04:08 AM XXCoder: most machines there is fast enougfh actually but way more expensive than el cheapo chineseium 3d printer.
04:09 AM gloops: well back to it, another thing with this shielded cable i bought, it isnt colour codes, the individual wires are all black with tiny numbers on them, not great in a dimly lit garage - for someone who isnt good with wiring anyway
04:09 AM gloops: bbiab
04:09 AM XXCoder: did you know MPCNC exists? lol
04:10 AM XXCoder: mostly printed cnc mill lol
04:10 AM gloops: whats that? (no lol)
04:10 AM gloops: ahh yeah, i joined a facebook group where they were doing that
04:10 AM XXCoder: when I saw that I laughed my ass off.
04:10 AM XXCoder: if you find my ass let me know
04:11 AM gloops: they were mainly printing corner joints to fit 8 and 10mm rods in to make the frame, then the other parts as well
04:11 AM XXCoder: theres $130 routers lately also
04:11 AM XXCoder: with couple upgrades it could work for circuit board engraving. nice
04:12 AM XXCoder: id get one if I didnt already have cnc router lol
04:46 AM jthornton: morning
04:47 AM XXCoder: yo
04:47 AM XXCoder: tomorrow I will have actual day off OMG
04:47 AM XXCoder: my bro is busy with job so nothing for me to do.
04:47 AM XXCoder: day after that we gonna try finish off the walls
04:50 AM jthornton: cool
04:50 AM XXCoder: yeah
04:50 AM XXCoder: ugh can't wait for it to be done
04:50 AM jthornton: I swapped my 2TB drive for a 4TB drive in the NAS and it took 48 hours to sync
04:51 AM jthornton: just swapped the other 2TB for a 4TB
04:51 AM jthornton: says it will take 55 hours
04:52 AM XXCoder: extra fun heh
04:56 AM XXCoder: curious, if you got one of those $130 cnc routers, what would you do with it lol
04:56 AM XXCoder: (besides just part out or bin em)
04:57 AM jthornton: need to get my nest box camera working and installed so I can see who is in there
04:57 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: engraving balsawood. it cant do more
04:57 AM XXCoder: im sure it can do harder woods like pine
04:57 AM Loetmichel: ok, it can maybe do acrylics, too
04:58 AM Loetmichel: but i wouldnt trust it with any precise work
04:58 AM XXCoder: honestly if I had electrics skills I would use it for engraving circuit boards
04:58 AM enleth: "harder woods like pine" is a statement that really requires some context
04:58 AM Loetmichel: i woulnt do that
04:58 AM Loetmichel: enleth: compared to balsa pine IS harder (not by much though)
04:59 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: those dirt cheap engravers usually have no ballscrews, shoddy linear ways and a spindle that has no ball bearings at all
04:59 AM miss0r: fragalot: how is it going with that casting of yours?
04:59 AM XXCoder: yeah very low side force limition
04:59 AM Loetmichel: and a runout that drives you crazy
05:00 AM XXCoder: oh was fragalot casting something? alum or?
05:00 AM miss0r: XXCoder: some epoxy granite
05:00 AM XXCoder: loet wouldnt be surpised, I think they use drill electric motor lol
05:00 AM Loetmichel: which pretty much prevents you from usuing "pointy tip" V-bits
05:00 AM XXCoder: ahh yea remember he menioning that
05:01 AM miss0r: I broke a 3mm tap in a blind hole yesterday... 11 hours into a workpiece sigh. The edm handled it like a charm thou :]
05:01 AM Loetmichel: so while yopu COULD do some PSU PCBs with it anything SMT would fail
05:01 AM Loetmichel: because of the machine being too imprecise
05:03 AM XXCoder: miss0r: nice!
05:03 AM XXCoder: in least part is recovered?
05:03 AM miss0r: absolutly
05:04 AM jthornton: looks like a rainy weekend here
05:04 AM jthornton: miss0r, nice to have an edm for things like that
05:05 AM jthornton: was the tap dull?
05:05 AM XXCoder: I do want to play with epoxy granite
05:05 AM XXCoder: but dunno when can do that.
05:05 AM miss0r: yeah. The sad thing is, i'm not completely done building it. so I had to do an improvised setup, not ideal
05:05 AM XXCoder: also want to play with concerete
05:05 AM miss0r: No, the tap was only used for 5 holes in alu prior to the break. I was just daydreaming, and bottomed it out :-/
05:06 AM jthornton: ouch
05:06 AM miss0r: yeah. I cursed myself somewhat :]
05:07 AM jthornton: I have a habit of looking at my taps with the microscope before using them
05:08 AM miss0r: jthornton: I do that too, if I don't know the condition. well, atleast a magnifying glass. But this one was brand new outa the box. I just had my mind elsewhere, so I broke it
05:10 AM jthornton: I know how that goes all too often
05:10 AM XXCoder: scrapped few parts due to distraction
05:10 AM miss0r: luckily, I could salvage the part without too much trouble
05:11 AM XXCoder: most recent being last week, I didn't fully put part on stop so it was offset
05:11 AM gloops: well, if i didnt need bigger motors i will now, cable coming off the Y ways and ton and probably as flexible as a medium to light weight walking stick
05:11 AM miss0r: I broke my haimer probe tip for the exact same reason. A friend of mine asked me a question while I was about to back it off.
05:11 AM Loetmichel: miss0r: i had a coworker in my first appenticeship that managed to break an M10 tap in steel.. by hand
05:11 AM miss0r: impressive
05:12 AM XXCoder: arm of steel.
05:12 AM Loetmichel: "hey, dont you wnat turn back to break the swar*KNACK* ... never mind!"
05:12 AM miss0r: 300lb enraged gorilla in a blue canvas suit?
05:12 AM XXCoder: secretly superman/woman?
05:12 AM Loetmichel: sans the enraged: yes
05:12 AM Loetmichel: his nickname was "balu"
05:13 AM Loetmichel: ... for obvious reasons
05:14 AM XXCoder: no idea what balu is.
05:14 AM Loetmichel: jungle book?
05:14 AM XXCoder: ah the bear
05:14 AM Loetmichel: maan, you need to know the classics :-)
05:15 AM XXCoder: thought it was baloo but then it may be that movie
05:15 AM Loetmichel: in think it was balu even in english, but i may be wrong
05:15 AM Loetmichel: in german it was certainly "balu"
05:15 AM XXCoder: yeah its likely from something else
05:16 AM XXCoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloo
05:17 AM XXCoder: same name bear also in talespin, I liked that cartoon show.
05:18 AM Loetmichel: i stand corrected then. but makes sense since ther german "balu" and the english "baloo" are pronounced exactly the same :-)
05:20 AM XXCoder: loet im kinda curious
05:21 AM XXCoder: in book series im reading, theres infinite earths people could "side step" to "west" or "east" can bring anything but iron (steel counts so on, but not rust)
05:21 AM XXCoder: how would you start making higher tech factory without iron
05:21 AM XXCoder: ironless cnc mills so on?
05:22 AM Loetmichel: substitute witn an aluiminium/titanium alloy
05:22 AM Loetmichel: also its pretty easy to refine iron and steel from local sources
05:22 AM XXCoder: funny thing in book they made large hyrogen ballon ship, very high end tech
05:23 AM XXCoder: but no iron, so its all alum, titanium, gold so on
05:23 AM Loetmichel: or do they have no iron ore on that other worlds?
05:23 AM gloops: carbon or silica tech will replace iron
05:23 AM XXCoder: yeah but dang have to figure how to mine evenually lol
05:23 AM Loetmichel: thats not that hard, too
05:23 AM Loetmichel: look for red/brown rocks ;)
05:23 AM XXCoder: isnt mining need iron, and a lot of it
05:24 AM Loetmichel: nope, yopu could mine with bronce or aluminium tools
05:24 AM Loetmichel: bronce will wear faster, but who cares
05:25 AM Loetmichel: and a chisel for rock usually has a tingsten carbide tip anyway
05:25 AM gloops: diamond
05:25 AM Loetmichel: so you could use a 7075 shaft on tools and TC tips and be happy with that
05:25 AM XXCoder: just like minecraft eh lol
05:25 AM Loetmichel: no iropn needed at all
05:25 AM XXCoder: loet interesting
05:26 AM XXCoder: I would also build a gaint generator that has no iron
05:26 AM Loetmichel: i even have a few (Pcb) illing bits that are TC tip and aluminium shaft
05:26 AM XXCoder: so can get alum oxide and make alum easy enough
05:26 AM Loetmichel: works just fine
05:26 AM Loetmichel: and less prone to braking than full TC bits
05:27 AM Loetmichel: for magnetic things you can substitute iron with nickel
05:27 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:27 AM XXCoder: suppose I wanted to bring over a cnc machine that would have to be done
05:27 AM XXCoder: lifting and holding is required
05:27 AM XXCoder: so in parts I guess
05:28 AM Loetmichel: you can buy titanium screws here
05:28 AM Loetmichel: they have no iron in them
05:28 AM Loetmichel: so that problem can be taken care of as well
05:28 AM XXCoder: but cnc table is very large slab of iron
05:28 AM Loetmichel: its just "a bit expensive"
05:28 AM XXCoder: and Ti is money lol
05:28 AM Loetmichel: depends on the CNC
05:29 AM Loetmichel: some have aluminium beds
05:29 AM IchGucksLive: hi
05:29 AM XXCoder: one machine at work has alum bed but under it is mass of iron
05:29 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: ;-)
05:29 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: how far is yakima from you
05:29 AM XXCoder: hey ich finally ya here when im here. what did you want?
05:29 AM XXCoder: yakima, wa?
05:29 AM IchGucksLive: im invided on a ECpo
05:30 AM IchGucksLive: Expo
05:30 AM IchGucksLive: yes
05:30 AM XXCoder: approx 2 hours 30 minutes drive lol
05:30 AM IchGucksLive: there is a Forest Mashine Presentation from JD
05:31 AM IchGucksLive: its a 2Day trip i can join
05:31 AM XXCoder: loet honestly I think would need expensive special "no iron" cnc mill machines, that can make more regular iron ones when iron is mined up and all
05:32 AM XXCoder: IchGucksLive: as I recall you love nature, you should see region forest and ape cave
05:32 AM XXCoder: bring 2 good led lights, and crappy one to give to someone who bought in crappy light
05:33 AM Loetmichel: yes
05:33 AM XXCoder: imange the challenge
05:33 AM Loetmichel: you could do one with a "normal mill here though
05:33 AM XXCoder: but then with endless worlds titanium would get poretty cheap
05:33 AM Loetmichel: its not a big challenge to do so
05:33 AM XXCoder: gold also, finally can use it for circuits and such
05:34 AM Loetmichel: its more of a challenge to teach a lot of people what you are doing so that they have the knowledge to go on once you are gone
05:34 AM XXCoder: indeed
05:34 AM XXCoder: you should read long earth, its bit slow read but amazing ideas lol
05:34 AM XXCoder: 4 book, long earth, long war, long mars and finally long cosmos
05:35 AM IchGucksLive: we will see the Location is in a non forest area there is more BEER around
05:35 AM IchGucksLive: beer
05:35 AM XXCoder: I see youre keyed on beer ;)
05:35 AM IchGucksLive: no i think its not presented there
05:36 AM Loetmichel: he is a german like me. what did you expect?
05:36 AM XXCoder: lol
05:36 AM IchGucksLive: as a Harvester needs trees to kut not "Hopfen"
05:36 AM IchGucksLive: cut
05:36 AM XXCoder: havent drank any in my life
05:36 AM Loetmichel: and a bavarian to top it off
05:36 AM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: Hopfen
05:36 AM Loetmichel: hops
05:37 AM IchGucksLive: hop
05:37 AM Loetmichel: hopS
05:37 AM IchGucksLive: it is 20% of the world production so it is interesting ro see
06:07 AM XXCoder: Loetmichel: one thing made me wonder though
06:07 AM XXCoder: can I bring my kindle? I kinda doubt it, it probably has enough iron
06:08 AM XXCoder: it would be suddenly nonworking in next earth
06:08 AM XXCoder: "certified iron-free" electrics demend would go off charts lol
06:35 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: i doubt any electrnics device has more iron than a few screws or shielding plates in it
06:35 AM Loetmichel: it should work fine
06:35 AM Loetmichel: maybe a bit ratteling
06:36 AM Loetmichel: when shaken
06:36 AM Loetmichel: and if rust works any LiFePo4 battery should be no problem either
06:48 AM gloops: well thats enough for me today i think, another few things ticked off
06:51 AM gloops: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/929747/climate-change-nuclear-fusion-green-energy-fossil-fuels
06:53 AM gloops: USA perfects fusion in 15 years - climate change worries over
06:53 AM * gloops turns the heating up
06:54 AM Loetmichel: gloops: in germany we say "fusion power plants will be there in 25 years"...problem is we say that since the late 80ties
06:56 AM gloops: they cant be too far off with it now
07:04 AM fragalot: hi
07:04 AM SpeedEvil: ITER is planned for the 2040s or so.
07:04 AM fragalot: miss0r: just cleaned up the shed & made a vibrator that i'm not sure if it's going to work well or not...
07:05 AM SpeedEvil: It is designed with last generation superconductors leading to the main fusion system weighing some 20000 tons.
07:05 AM fragalot: miss0r: epoxy for experiments & probably most of the first casting has been ordered, along with a good vacuum pump - so.. Nowhere near ready to pour :-)
07:05 AM SpeedEvil: Modern high temperature superconductors let you in principle get the same watts out of something weighing 500 tons.
07:05 AM fragalot: miss0r: to be honest, I think it won't happen until late april
07:05 AM SpeedEvil: For rather cheaper.
07:07 AM SpeedEvil: https://youtu.be/RkpIVBAxBS4?t=1886 - of the same reactor - and 3d printing tungsten heatsinks to cope with 12MW/m^2 heat-load from fusion.
07:08 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2-Generation-High-Temperature-Superconductor-tape_50013334401.html - supplier of superconductor tape.
07:17 AM fragalot: SpeedEvil: does the tungsten conduct heat well enough for the heat to actually travel from the top of the lattice to the bottom effectively?
07:18 AM SpeedEvil: No.
07:18 AM SpeedEvil: The lattice is full of fast moving molten salt.
07:18 AM fragalot: That makes a lot more sense.
07:39 AM gloops: in other news, my round polyprop belt arrived, which i appear to have successfully join and is driving my vintage scroll saw, one success story today anyway
07:40 AM JT-Shop: cool
07:43 AM miss0r: fragalot: that is nowhere near fast enough :D
07:46 AM fragalot: miss0r: can't help that I've got to do it all on my own :P
07:47 AM fragalot: miss0r: how long did it take your DFM to remove that tap?
07:47 AM fragalot: miss0r: incl. setup?
07:50 AM miss0r: 2 hours :]
07:51 AM miss0r: Because the setup included machining some brackets to mount the new spindle head on the proto-type linear way
07:51 AM miss0r: and some other fabricoubling
07:51 AM miss0r: The cut itself took perhaps 20 sec
07:52 AM fragalot: that's a lot faster than I'd have imagined
07:52 AM miss0r: I only sunk a 2mm electrode in there, mind you
07:52 AM * fragalot always thought EDM's were slow as hell
07:55 AM miss0r: not realy
07:57 AM fragalot: miss0r: any idea what weight you had swinging on your vibrator table?
07:58 AM miss0r: perhaps 3-400grams out of balance i'd say
07:58 AM miss0r: but I would recommend using less weight and more speed
07:58 AM fragalot: the disposable motor i've got is only about 1500rpm :(
07:59 AM miss0r: woah... I wouldn't want to have 400grams being thrown around at 1500rpm
07:59 AM fragalot: currently I took an 80mm offcut & lobbed off half of that then mounted it on the spindle.. it vibrates, but i doubt it's anywhere near enough
07:59 AM miss0r: I think I ran mine at 300 rpm
07:59 AM miss0r: that seemed to make stuff flow
08:00 AM fragalot: I guess I'll just try what I have now & bolt on washers as needed to make it vibrate harder. :Pµ
08:00 AM miss0r: That could work :] or... OR you could make it nice looking - do a few through holes on the heavy side, to allow for steel rods to be inserted, and locked with a screw
08:01 AM miss0r: brb, running a program on the cnc
08:04 AM fragalot: The nice rod solution can be done once i've figured out the weight :P
08:23 AM gloops: for vibes all you need is a piece of bar with a hole drilled through off centre, tap it onto the motor shaft and stick a grub screw or bolt in
08:29 AM fragalot: gloops: I already made an off-center 80x20mm cam
08:29 AM fragalot: and it vibrates.
08:29 AM fragalot: I just don't know if it's going to be "violent" enough
08:29 AM fragalot: and I won't know until mid-april when i've got the epoxy, and am actually home.
08:31 AM gloops: stick a pot of something on it, some cement concrete or something with air bubble, the ones they use to make paving and such ive seen the vibration is fine, you dont want violent wobbling, when you touch the table its like you cant press on to it, fine but strong vibrations
08:31 AM gloops: probably as missor said - fast motor - lighter cam
08:31 AM fragalot: miss0r said lower rpm, heavier cam
08:32 AM gloops: oh well, probably not as missor said then lol
08:32 AM fragalot: mine is 5x faster lol
08:32 AM fragalot: but the weight is also a lot lower.. so it may balance out
08:32 AM fragalot: easy to try anyway
08:57 AM fragalot: morning BeachBumPete
09:07 AM BeachBumPete: hey fragalot
09:21 AM miss0r: I said lower cam faster speed !
09:21 AM fragalot: did you ?
09:21 AM miss0r: (14:57:16)<miss0r>but I would recommend using less weight and more speed
09:22 AM fragalot: you did.
09:22 AM miss0r: ;)
09:22 AM fragalot: I think I have an old bench grinder lying about I could use
09:22 AM miss0r: Yeah, they tend to have pretty beefy bearings
09:22 AM fragalot: not this one
09:22 AM miss0r: :D
09:22 AM fragalot: :P
09:23 AM fragalot: I think it's a 15yr old one from aldi
09:23 AM fragalot: maybe 150 watt?
09:23 AM miss0r: lol
09:24 AM fragalot: at the moment i've got 2 MDF wheels on it with stropping compound
09:24 AM fragalot: makes for an alright sharpener
09:25 AM miss0r: Yeah, if you have several hours to do it :)
09:25 AM fragalot: this is for finishing
09:25 AM fragalot: kinda like a strop, but faster
09:26 AM fragalot: brings a chisel from just about usable, to hair splitting in just a few seconds
09:26 AM fragalot: where-as with a normal strop, it would take at least 12 seconds or more. :P
09:27 AM miss0r: :D
09:27 AM miss0r: FRECH !
09:28 AM miss0r: I managed to misread my drawing, and drill two holes 30mm apart instead of 36
09:28 AM miss0r: That is a pretty stupid thing to do DAMNIT !
09:28 AM fragalot: :(
09:28 AM miss0r: I'm now 14 hours into this workpiece
09:28 AM gregcnc_: ouch
09:29 AM miss0r: and its 6mm holes... No way to redrill'em
09:29 AM fragalot: does this part allow the holes to be filled?
09:29 AM miss0r: Not with anything i've got. It will bend out of shape if I weld it
09:30 AM miss0r: and its a 510mm long support for two linear rails
09:30 AM fragalot: can you press pins in?
09:30 AM miss0r: hrhm... I will have to think about that
09:30 AM miss0r: I will be back after dinner. I have to go be a family guy now. see you later
09:30 AM fragalot: cya
09:31 AM BeachBumPete: you are saying you made a grinding wheel for your bench grinder from MDF?
09:31 AM fragalot: BeachBumPete: on a tiny 120mm bench grinder, but yes.
09:32 AM BeachBumPete: wow I would be terrified to try that on my machine. I don't even like putting new wheels on it hehe
09:32 AM fragalot: I would not want to do this on the 200mm big boy :P
09:32 AM fragalot: but on the small one they run absolutely fine
09:33 AM fragalot: there's no mass to them either should something happen
09:33 AM BeachBumPete: just regular home depot MDF?
09:33 AM fragalot: green pressure treated
09:33 AM BeachBumPete: ?
09:33 AM fragalot: I think it's a slightly higher density than your average MDF
09:38 AM Jymmm: fragalot: Um... what? pressure treated mdf? With the porous nature of MDF, I'm not sure how that oculd be
09:39 AM Jymmm: You can't even paint (except black) MDF withot it being absorned.
09:39 AM BeachBumPete: I mean I can see how it would be a very good abrasive strop style wheel
09:39 AM fragalot: Jymmm: it's green, and it's waterproof.. idk how they make it
09:39 AM BeachBumPete: that is if it held together and did not grenade and become lodged in your forehead
09:40 AM fragalot: BeachBumPete: that's why 95% of it is enclosed
09:40 AM Jymmm: fragalot: I'd like to see/know what this really is if you evr get a chance
09:40 AM fragalot: and the other 5%, in this case, points away from you
09:40 AM fragalot: Jymmm: to google! give me a minute
09:40 AM Jymmm: fragalot: 55 seconds...
09:41 AM fragalot: hard to find non alibaba links
09:41 AM fragalot: xD
09:41 AM Jymmm: fragalot: you didn't buy it locally?
09:41 AM fragalot: I did
09:41 AM Loetmichel: BeachBumPete: if its waterproof MDF the chances that it explodes in the grinder are slim
09:42 AM Loetmichel: i wouldnt do that with standard MDF in a damp garage/cellar hobby room though
09:43 AM fragalot: Jymmm: http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00aBTEuzYnmRrs/Moisture-Proof-MDF-Green-Color-.jpg
09:43 AM fragalot: the chinese pictures seem to show what it looks like the best
09:43 AM gregcnc_: maybe https://www.inventables.com/technologies/green-mdf-sheet
09:43 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: I keep the room properly ventilated & dry; but agreed.
09:44 AM fragalot: gregcnc_: sounds like it
09:47 AM Jymmm: low on formaldehyde,
09:49 AM dioz: project binky
09:49 AM dioz: in color!
09:49 AM fragalot: Jymmm: yup, wood panel industry is moving from formaldehyde to MDI, where-as glass fibre industries appear to move from MDI to formaldehyde based glues.
09:49 AM fragalot: both claim that their original glue is too unhealthy to continue to use
09:49 AM Jymmm: lmao
09:50 AM Jymmm: https://dzevsq2emy08i.cloudfront.net/paperclip/technology_attachment_uploaded_files/422/original/Colored%20MDF%20Data%20Sheet.pdf?1404162514
09:50 AM Jymmm: And just moisture resistant, not waterproof btw
09:50 AM fragalot: takes too long to type
10:08 AM Loetmichel: dioz. those blokes are positively crazy
10:10 AM dioz: Loetmichel: no kidding
10:10 AM dioz: good fabricators though
10:11 AM dioz: nucking futs though
10:26 AM Loetmichel: fun to watch though
10:26 AM dioz: i thought it was interesting how they did the automatic door locks
10:26 AM Loetmichel: especially the ways they brew tea
10:27 AM dioz: adjusting lever length to account for the difference of actuator distances on the components
10:27 AM dioz: i wish they had a time-line though
10:28 AM dioz: it's kind of fucky cause they're short videos... but i imagine the fabrication, to some extent, took weeks if not months
10:28 AM dioz: it gives you no real appreciation for the work involved
10:28 AM dioz: IMO
10:28 AM Loetmichel: make that years
10:28 AM Loetmichel: iirc the first binky videos i wathced in 2012 or so
10:28 AM Loetmichel: watched
10:28 AM dioz: well i didn't necessarily mean the whole project
10:28 AM dioz: but yah i feel you
10:31 AM Loetmichel: the idea alone to put that much powqer and awd into a mini...
10:32 AM gloops: what lump they put in it?
10:38 AM gloops: you can get quite a lot in a mini lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5MFSkxuodo
10:38 AM gloops: wouldnt be very discrete as a street car though
11:46 AM Jymmm: I have one of those mobility scooters I got for free of craigslist. I want to make it remote control and and a "utility arm" to it; like rake the yard, of put the trashcans out on the street especially when there is snow/ice =) Any suggestions for how to create the arm? I'd like to have/use ONE single method of moving it and "un/locking" to a trashcan handle if possible.
11:46 AM Jymmm: and add*
11:51 AM HighInBC: Jymmm: how many points of articulation?
11:51 AM Jymmm: Hmmm, 12V 200LB, 12" stroke is $110 USD https://www.firgelliauto.com/products/linear-actuators#
11:52 AM Jymmm: HighInBC: One? Just up/down
11:52 AM HighInBC: ya, an actuator will do
11:52 AM Jymmm: HighInBC: I'd use the scooter for left/right
11:52 AM HighInBC: they are easy enough to control
11:52 AM HighInBC: they work a lot like servos
11:53 AM Jymmm: HighInBC: I really wouldn't know ays to have more than one point of articulation and control it
11:53 AM Jymmm: a way*
11:54 AM HighInBC: well articulated arms are tricky engineering. If I wanted one I would buy an off the shelf frame and add motors and control system
11:54 AM HighInBC: and controlling a fully articulated arm is a big software challenge
11:54 AM Loetmichel: gloops: Toyota Celica ST185 GT-4 engine and gearbox. turbocharged
11:55 AM HighInBC: this is why most robots, as you intend to do, have a simple "arm" that can only do what it needs to
11:55 AM Jymmm: Yeah, that's why I was thinking just an up/down arm
11:55 AM Jymmm: I can make attachments for a rake =) and really doesn't need more than up/down, or to even plow snow
11:57 AM Loetmichel: HighInBC: the "inverse kinematics" problem with multiple positions possible to reach the same posiotin of the end effector?
11:57 AM Loetmichel: multiple link positions i meant
12:00 PM HighInBC: Loetmichel: a whole class of problems yes. When people try to make it move like humans they quickly learn we don't move in the simplest ways to accomplish a task
12:00 PM HighInBC: it is non trivial to figure out which is the best way for a given motion so you come up with a general solution that does not work in every case and is not optimal in any case
12:01 PM HighInBC: I think that machine learning will be much more effective at teaching robots how to use complex limbs
12:01 PM Loetmichel: which is ok, we usually use the least power neccessary to achive a task with "force-based" acutators that dont have that great of a feedback loop
12:01 PM Loetmichel: for a robot arm that would be a very bad design
12:01 PM gloops: humans use momentum/mass a lot
12:01 PM Loetmichel: yes
12:02 PM gloops: i watched a large lady walking, she wasnt moving her legs much, she was more twisting her hole body
12:02 PM gloops: whole
12:02 PM Loetmichel: we also have a pretty good "path prediction engine" to make up for the lack in position feedback
12:03 PM HighInBC: indeed humans have limited and often misleading proprioception
12:03 PM Loetmichel: did you mean "tall" or "wide"?
12:03 PM HighInBC: round?
12:04 PM Loetmichel: i meant gloops
12:04 PM Loetmichel: HighInBC: its the reason though that we have "hand-eye coordination"
12:04 PM HighInBC: I saw a fat lady run for the bus once and one of her boobs got our of her shirt and knocked her glasses off her face
12:04 PM HighInBC: so many people trying hard not to laugh
12:04 PM Loetmichel: its astonishing what is possible when you see it clearly
12:04 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: the breast?
12:05 PM HighInBC: lol
12:05 PM gloops: round lol
12:05 PM Loetmichel: there are people that can change the DNA in an human egg with a pipette under a light micrsocope freehand
12:06 PM Loetmichel: without the use of a micromaipulator
12:06 PM HighInBC: don't they use guide channels for that?
12:06 PM HighInBC: like they only control one axis
12:06 PM Loetmichel: there are some that can do it freehand
12:06 PM HighInBC: dang
12:06 PM HighInBC: impressive
12:06 PM HighInBC: and I thought soldering 0402s with an iron was impressive
12:07 PM fragalot: I can change the DNA freehand
12:07 PM Loetmichel: i ws flabbergasted when i saw that video
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:07 PM fragalot: all I need is some giant hogweed
12:07 PM fragalot: and UV light.
12:07 PM HighInBC: hi IchGucksLive
12:07 PM Loetmichel: ahem... i do 0402 without even have my glasses on
12:07 PM HighInBC: I once manually dissected a cell using only crude metal instruments
12:07 PM fragalot: 0204 or go home.
12:07 PM HighInBC: it was a boiled egg...
12:07 PM Loetmichel: and 0603 and 0805 with a 2mm wide chisel tip iron :-)
12:08 PM HighInBC: fragalot: isn't an 0204 just an 0402 turned 90 degrees?
12:08 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: we have a selection of superfine needle tips at work that hardly ever get used :P
12:09 PM HighInBC: Loetmichel: I tend to stick with 0603s because a) I like to read the values and b) better heat dissipation
12:09 PM fragalot: HighInBC: no. 0204 doesn't exist.
12:09 PM Tom_L: 1005 does
12:09 PM HighInBC: yes, but if it did then it would just be an 0402 turned sideway
12:09 PM HighInBC: it is XXYY
12:09 PM fragalot: but it doesn't
12:09 PM fragalot: so no. :P
12:09 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: wrong
12:10 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: am I?
12:10 PM HighInBC: fragalot: but it does, you just turn an 0402 90 degrees
12:10 PM Loetmichel: 0204 is the normal 1/4W wired resistor casing designation
12:10 PM HighInBC: QED
12:10 PM fragalot: really?
12:10 PM Loetmichel: yes
12:10 PM fragalot: so HighInBC is wrong?
12:10 PM fragalot: (that's the important bit)
12:11 PM HighInBC: lol
12:11 PM fragalot: :D
12:11 PM HighInBC: I don't think I have been shown wrong
12:11 PM HighInBC: so you are wrong about another thing
12:11 PM HighInBC: ohhh ya
12:12 PM HighInBC: that feels good
12:12 PM fragalot: all I can find is MMA 0204
12:12 PM Loetmichel: HighInBC: http://www.cyrom.org/pics/smdloet2.avi
12:13 PM Loetmichel: i have a bit of a problem with a tremor lately though: https://youtu.be/z_p_eIInq9M
12:13 PM HighInBC: I made a point of learning to do that with a chisel tip
12:13 PM HighInBC: but in practice I use solder paste and a hot air gun
12:13 PM HighInBC: it is just faster
12:14 PM Loetmichel: ... nothing a few glasses of a good whisky xcouldnt solve though
12:14 PM HighInBC: and I just love that magic auto align feature
12:14 PM HighInBC: my hands are super solid, especially if I am gripping something
12:15 PM fragalot: https://imgur.com/a/38Gku <- crash course on "how to flash a write-protected BIOS chip when you don't have the tools, nor the time to make the tools"
12:15 PM Loetmichel: .... and i HATE it when the tweezers are magnetic :-)
12:16 PM fragalot: I personally prefer using a chisel tip for SMD work, if i'm honest
12:16 PM Tom_L: heats the pad up quicker i think
12:17 PM fragalot: the PCB's masking & flux do most of the work to make sure you only color within the lines
12:18 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: seen the youtube vid?
12:18 PM Loetmichel: what masking?
12:18 PM Loetmichel: :-)
12:18 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: the green goop all around your pads
12:18 PM fragalot: that masking
12:19 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: you didnt see the vid.
12:19 PM fragalot: i'm looking at it right now
12:19 PM fragalot: soldering the 2 transistors?
12:19 PM Loetmichel: nope
12:19 PM Loetmichel: the second one
12:20 PM Loetmichel: [19:12] <Loetmichel> i have a bit of a problem with a tremor lately though: https://youtu.be/z_p_eIInq9M
12:20 PM Loetmichel: prototype board, insulation milled
12:20 PM fragalot: that also acts as a mask, but it is indeed harder
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
12:22 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: hehe, magnetic tweezers are fun
12:22 PM fragalot: (watching the vid now)
12:31 PM zeeshan: >:)
12:47 PM dioz: Loetmichel
12:47 PM dioz: i lol at how bad obsession says "CAD" (cardboard aided design)
12:47 PM dioz: templates!
12:48 PM Tom_L: zeeshan!
12:49 PM Loetmichel: dioz: +v please
12:49 PM dioz: whaaaat?
12:49 PM Loetmichel: verbose++
12:50 PM Loetmichel: you meant on eof the project binky guys?
12:50 PM dioz: ooh. yes
12:50 PM Loetmichel: i think i remember it yes
12:50 PM Loetmichel: the "CAD" reference
12:57 PM zeeshan: hi tom
01:00 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: btw: did you see my teeeny tiny lathe?
01:00 PM Loetmichel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n0rmiiDVD4
01:04 PM Tom_L: zeeshan, finished the mill..
01:04 PM zeeshan: nice!
01:05 PM zeeshan: got videos of it making stuff?
01:06 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRN00-0enYw
01:06 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6n2ZgY-5Ls
01:06 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHYpGIDra8Q&t=152s
01:08 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: love that huge toolbit
01:08 PM zeeshan: dude
01:08 PM zeeshan: that is AWESOME!
01:09 PM zeeshan: looks very sturdy for its size
01:09 PM Tom_L: got a decent vise for it
01:09 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: thats an 8mm square tool bit
01:09 PM Tom_L: yeah
01:09 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: holy hell your lathe is smaller than I thought!
01:09 PM zeeshan: we use those linear rails a lot at work
01:09 PM Loetmichel: a LOT
01:09 PM zeeshan: they work very well
01:09 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Strap_clamp.jpg
01:09 PM Tom_L: cut a bit of steel
01:10 PM Tom_L: did ~ok
01:10 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=520&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- thats a 50cm ruler in front of it
01:10 PM fragalot: Tom_L: seems it's fairly rigid then :D well done
01:10 PM zeeshan: what kind of feed and spee
01:10 PM Tom_L: for what?
01:10 PM zeeshan: steel
01:10 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: cute :D
01:10 PM Tom_L: the spindle is the limit here now
01:11 PM zeeshan: Tom_L: you should show tormach how its done
01:11 PM zeeshan: :)
01:11 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: shame it doesn't appear to have an indexable leadscrew
01:11 PM Loetmichel: it doesent even have a coss slide thats "rotateable"
01:11 PM Tom_L: iirc ~1500 s and maybe 2ipm
01:11 PM Loetmichel: which is a bummer
01:11 PM fragalot: mine is that size that comes with one, but is a PITA to change because of the low quality carrier screws they used.. I should really replace them
01:11 PM Tom_L: so kinda slow
01:12 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: I took mine off!
01:12 PM Loetmichel: but its pretty handy for small stuff
01:12 PM zeeshan: gets the job done
01:12 PM Tom_L: but it was 1/8" cutter
01:12 PM Tom_L: better than i expected honestly
01:13 PM fragalot: Tom_L: this is mine: https://i.imgur.com/djyhwBi.jpg
01:13 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: i have a bigger one at home.... so the "spare" one is at the company
01:13 PM fragalot: I think I can hold your lathe between centers
01:13 PM Loetmichel: "dauerleihgabe"
01:13 PM Tom_L: nice, i wish i had a newer lathe
01:13 PM zeeshan: i wish i had a working lathe
01:13 PM zeeshan: lol
01:13 PM zeeshan: ive been so busy at work
01:13 PM zeeshan: lathe has been neglected for so long now
01:14 PM zeeshan: fragalot: are you from europe
01:14 PM fragalot: zeeshan: yes
01:14 PM zeeshan: i can tell by that massive receptacle
01:14 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Z_Axis_Pulley.jpg
01:14 PM zeeshan: :D
01:14 PM Tom_L: that's my old clunker
01:14 PM fragalot: zeeshan: :D
01:15 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11492&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- thats my "machining rack" at home. each shelf board is 95cm by 70cm or so
01:15 PM fragalot: nice indicator holder
01:15 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: looks like your lathe has a hernia, lol
01:16 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11495&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:16 PM Loetmichel: hernia?
01:16 PM fragalot: that chip tray with the 5" floppy is nice too
01:16 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: the saddle appears to be... not where it's supposed to be?
01:16 PM Loetmichel: ah
01:16 PM Loetmichel: its dismounted because of a burned motor
01:17 PM Loetmichel: have to reassmble ti one day
01:17 PM Loetmichel: it
01:17 PM fragalot: ah
01:17 PM fragalot: the motor on mine went too.. well, the capacitor did, so I upgraded it to a nice 3phase Siemens
01:17 PM Loetmichel: chip tray?
01:17 PM fragalot: the PC
01:18 PM fragalot: :P
01:18 PM Loetmichel: ah
01:18 PM Loetmichel: has since changed to a smaller newer one: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12265&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:18 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12250&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:18 PM Tom_L: zeeshan i must say it was a fun build
01:18 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12247&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:19 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:19 PM zeeshan: work it :)
01:19 PM zeeshan: Tom_L: this one of the machines i've been working on at work along with the senior engineer
01:19 PM zeeshan: it's crazy, the machine in the middle, i literally had a blank paper
01:19 PM Loetmichel: and its a 3,5" floppy and a slim DVD
01:19 PM zeeshan: had to come up with it from complete scratch
01:20 PM zeeshan: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NHeNi1Lj6b1zpiLr2
01:20 PM Tom_L: what's it's purpose?
01:20 PM Tom_L: sheet cutter and stacker?
01:21 PM zeeshan: they pretty much feed in drywall sheets
01:21 PM zeeshan: and they get dunnage strips out of it
01:21 PM zeeshan: https://www.foxgal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/drywall-warehouse.jpg
01:21 PM zeeshan: see the little blocks in between the drywall stacks?
01:21 PM Tom_L: i know what you mean
01:22 PM zeeshan: cuts up the drywall sheet into strips with no waste
01:22 PM Tom_L: what does it use to cut them?
01:22 PM SpeedEvil: :)
01:22 PM zeeshan: so it has compensation to know the exact length of the board
01:22 PM zeeshan: and compensates the length of the strips by a little bit to make an even multiple of strips within some bounds
01:23 PM Loetmichel: drywall= paper|plaster of paris|paper?
01:24 PM SpeedEvil: yes
01:24 PM fragalot: the plaster can have fibre filling in it
01:24 PM zeeshan: carbide blade
01:24 PM Tom_L: sounds like you like your job
01:24 PM zeeshan: i think i showed you the other machine
01:24 PM zeeshan: that processes those strips after
01:25 PM zeeshan: uses robots to place it to the main line
01:26 PM zeeshan: its good for the most paer
01:26 PM zeeshan: i just dont like travelling away for a week at a time
01:26 PM Tom_L: what are the 2 stacks on the left end?
01:26 PM Tom_L: i get they're cut and stacked
01:26 PM Tom_L: but what's the grey one
01:26 PM zeeshan: its just a place for them to be placed on
01:27 PM zeeshan: so the fork lift driver can get his/her forks under neath
01:27 PM zeeshan: and pick it up
01:28 PM zeeshan: its funny im trying to find generic pictures to help illustrate it
01:28 PM zeeshan: but google gives zero results..
01:28 PM Tom_L: what's the longest sheet they process?
01:28 PM zeeshan: frigging specialized industry
01:28 PM zeeshan: 16'
01:28 PM Tom_L: that's what i thought
01:28 PM zeeshan: big frigging sheet!
01:29 PM zeeshan: ive been working on the isolation console.. it looks ugly to me
01:29 PM zeeshan: cause im using a shit load of T fittings
01:29 PM zeeshan: lol
01:29 PM zeeshan: i wish there was an elegant way to do it
01:29 PM zeeshan: without using manifolds and custom parts
01:29 PM Tom_L: is that a steel tube frame?
01:30 PM zeeshan: where
01:30 PM Tom_L: the whole thing
01:30 PM zeeshan: yes
01:31 PM zeeshan: regular hollow structural steel
01:31 PM zeeshan: works good cause you can route wires within it
01:31 PM zeeshan: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NHeNi1Lj6b1zpiLr2
01:31 PM zeeshan: i threw in another photo
01:32 PM zeeshan: so once those strips are made (we call em dunnage)
01:32 PM zeeshan: the cube of them gets loaded to the conveyor and a pick and place robot picks up each layer.. and each strip gets staged
01:32 PM zeeshan: then the big robot on the rail grabs em and places em in the line
01:33 PM zeeshan: im obviously sparing the details :P
01:33 PM zeeshan: its crazy to see it all work together
01:33 PM fragalot: I'm just disappointed there is a forklift involved
01:33 PM fragalot: :D
01:33 PM zeeshan: me too
01:33 PM zeeshan: i've always thought the machine that makes the dunnage should be within the process
01:34 PM zeeshan: eliminate the fork lift driver :P
01:34 PM fragalot: I'm in that kind of business where the machines we make are always put into an existing line as an after thought
01:34 PM zeeshan: its ends up working like that
01:34 PM zeeshan: this industry hasn't even seen a robot before
01:34 PM fragalot: which can lead to very complicated controls where something super simple would have sufficed had they consulted us when the machine was being built
01:34 PM zeeshan: till we've brought them in
01:35 PM zeeshan: so it's not really always about the best solution
01:35 PM zeeshan: but the most acceptable solution sometimes due to human nature
01:35 PM fragalot: yup
01:35 PM Tom_L: gotta run..
01:35 PM zeeshan: cya
01:35 PM Tom_L: don't be a stranger..
01:35 PM zeeshan: :D
01:35 PM zeeshan: fragalot: what are you building
01:36 PM fragalot: its such a niche market that i can't really say that without revealing the company I work for
01:37 PM zeeshan: no ones going to come murder you
01:37 PM zeeshan: haha
01:37 PM zeeshan: :)
01:37 PM fragalot: :)
01:41 PM dioz: incoming murder
01:41 PM zeeshan: haha
01:46 PM miss0r: meh. I should've changed out the 10mm endmill before starting this run
01:46 PM fragalot: :/ not going well today?
01:47 PM miss0r: nope. And I feel like I need to get alot done today, as I was doing nothing yesterday (getting my root canals done on a tooth)
01:47 PM miss0r: hurt like a mofu
01:47 PM fragalot: ouch
01:47 PM zeeshan: miss0r: blew it up? :D
01:47 PM zeeshan: the first problem is youre using a 10mm end mill..
01:47 PM miss0r: Yeah, also, apparently I had a bad reaction to the annestetic(spell?), so I almost fainted when it started working :D
01:47 PM zeeshan: shoulda been using a 3/8
01:47 PM zeeshan: :-)
01:48 PM zeeshan: eek. thats not good
01:48 PM * miss0r slaps zeeshan with a metric ruler
01:48 PM zeeshan: :D
01:48 PM miss0r: I'll get through this job :) i just need to get my head out'a my ass
01:49 PM zeeshan: sometimes it's good jus tto take a break
01:49 PM miss0r: which is easier said than done. Every time I try to wiggle out, my beard tickles something fierce
01:50 PM miss0r: zeeshan: You don't know my boss... He won't rest until I die or the job is well done
01:51 PM fragalot: yeah he's a pest
01:51 PM miss0r: hehe :]
01:51 PM fragalot: but zeeshan is right, you should have used a 3/8
01:51 PM fragalot: because then you could put in a fresh 10mm after
01:51 PM zeeshan: hahah
01:52 PM fragalot: I think it's time I replaced my dust mask :/
01:52 PM miss0r: lucky for me, I can still do that. I know it sounds impossible, but I have managed to wear it in such a way that the radius is LESS :O !
01:52 PM fragalot: cleared out my home shop today & my lungs feel horrible even though I wore a mask nearly the whole time :<
01:52 PM miss0r: with the epoxy ? :D
01:53 PM fragalot: miss0r: can you grind it back to 10mm?
01:53 PM miss0r: no. but I can replace it ;)
01:54 PM fragalot: you could try peening the cutting edges prior to grinding like you would a scythe
01:54 PM miss0r: I always keep a few in stock
01:54 PM miss0r: lol
01:54 PM miss0r: I would love to see the hammer used to do that :D
01:54 PM fragalot: bet you tom lipton's got one :D
01:55 PM miss0r: I'm sure he does. With a small dounded diamond tip'n everything
01:55 PM miss0r: s/dounded/rounded
01:55 PM fragalot: that'd be renzetti, putting ruby onto everything
01:56 PM miss0r: I would just like for me to have somebody to SHOVEL all the alu chips from the mill ship pan... Theres ALOT by now
01:56 PM miss0r: I've been running the mill ~5 hours a day for the past week, and I haven't cleaned it out yet :D
01:56 PM fragalot: sounds like a job for a DIY auger
01:57 PM miss0r: Interresting :D I'll get right on that :P
01:57 PM fragalot: should be quite easy, actually
01:58 PM fragalot: buy a €60 ground post drill & a metal gutter
01:58 PM miss0r: That is true. BUT! I could just use a shovel
01:58 PM fragalot: let's make a deal
01:58 PM fragalot: you cast my epoxy mill, and i'll make you an auger
01:58 PM fragalot: :P
01:59 PM miss0r: Alright, If you take care of the shipping fee, you are on
01:59 PM CaptHindsight: or just get some granite spray paint and say you did
01:59 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight nothing papermache won't fix
01:59 PM fragalot: xD
02:02 PM Loetmichel: miss0r: sounds familiar. i am allergic to that stuff, too
02:02 PM CaptHindsight: I might try some heavily acrylated concrete and steel tube
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: easier to work with, lower cost and performs more than well enough
02:03 PM fragalot: also helps that you're right at the source of the expensive part :P
02:03 PM Loetmichel: but not fainting, full bore circulatory failure. so i had my last two wisdom teeth removed without numbing
02:04 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: do they really have no alternatives?
02:04 PM Loetmichel: one of them laying down in the jaw... hat to be split in four and then removed
02:04 PM fragalot: I had 5 (yes) wisdom teeth removed in one go with local anesthetics
02:04 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: not thaqt i know of, short of going to a dental clinic and being put full under
02:04 PM fragalot: :/
02:05 PM fragalot: brutal
02:05 PM Loetmichel: on the positive side: it ups the pain tolarance quite a bit
02:06 PM CaptHindsight: hire a band of tiny men with clubs and hammers to do the job
02:06 PM Loetmichel: had a slight moment of clumsyness lately and cut my hand pretty deep. went ot the hospital to get stitches...
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: did you just have it done today?
02:07 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: nope, why?
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: just wondering
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: off to the chemical mixing area, so in 5 minutes when my gloves are the phone should ring
02:08 PM Loetmichel: ... halfway thru the stitiching the surgenon asked "does the numbing work at all?" i answered: "nope, but keep going, its only 4 or 5 stiches left. Get it over with please"
02:08 PM Loetmichel: :-)
02:08 PM Loetmichel: the look on her face was priceless
02:09 PM Loetmichel: wasnt that bad a cut after all though: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16188&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
02:09 PM Loetmichel: (caution, som blood)
02:27 PM gloops: the EU has a 30% tariff on non-EU wine
02:30 PM gloops: 73% tariff on Chinese steel...
02:30 PM gloops: haha trump proposes a moderate tariff and its trade war and global recession
02:34 PM SpeedEvil: It's really odd how primary producers that are a tiny, tiny part of the market get protection.
02:39 PM Loetmichel: gloops: you really think so?
02:39 PM gloops: yes ive just been reading it
02:39 PM gloops: SpeedEvil which tiny producers?
02:40 PM SpeedEvil: US steel value as a proportion of value of things made of steel.
02:41 PM gloops: the smaller producers are the ones who need protection though
02:42 PM Loetmichel: i meant on the global recession.
02:42 PM Loetmichel: How long do you think will trump last?
02:43 PM gloops: oh, no i dont think tariffing steel will cause a recession, it might not help the chinese economy though, which if it did go belly up could cause a recession
02:43 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: it's more than trump though, it's the whole administration that's letting things happen
02:43 PM fragalot: congress has no term limits, and now they have a baboon that doesn't even try to stop them doing certain things either
02:44 PM gloops: why didnt EU 73% tariff on chinese heavy plate cause a global recession?
02:44 PM gloops: is merkel a lunatic?
02:44 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: i think the whole american administration is in kind of a "shock paralysis" and looking how dum trump can go
02:45 PM fragalot: xD
02:45 PM Loetmichel: gloops: more like the oppposite
02:45 PM Loetmichel: analytic and calm to the extreme
02:45 PM gloops: so how come trump is insane for using tariffs, but the EU isnt?
02:45 PM Loetmichel: to the extend that some call her cold and uncaring
02:45 PM fragalot: gloops: it's not what he's doing
02:45 PM fragalot: it's how he's doing it
02:45 PM Loetmichel: trump isnt insane for the tariffs
02:45 PM fragalot: if you want to protect your production with tariffs, by all means
02:46 PM Loetmichel: the tariffs are just the newest incarnation of his insanity
02:46 PM fragalot: but don't go threathen your allies, and take weeks to ensure that "don't worry you're not going to be part of it"
02:46 PM gloops: hes an american man, thats how i think of american men, or at least until more recently when many of them seemed to succumb to feminism and so on
02:46 PM gregcnc_: he's just new to politics
02:46 PM Loetmichel: and what fragalot said
02:46 PM gregcnc_: real politicians know how to play the game
02:47 PM gloops: yeah thats why everybody hates them gregcnc
02:47 PM gloops: trump is loud, egoistic, gung ho - thats american male culture
02:48 PM dioz: hah
02:48 PM gregcnc_: if you say so
02:48 PM Loetmichel: gloops: he is also dumb to the extreme and lives in a dream workld
02:48 PM Loetmichel: -k
02:48 PM dioz: realistically the perception of masculinity is goverened by femininity
02:48 PM gloops: Loetmichel but hes only doing what your country does lol
02:48 PM gregcnc_: let have this discussion 7 years from now
02:49 PM Loetmichel: gloops: how did you come to the cnclusion because he uses the same market instrument as germany its "doing the same thing"
02:49 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: so he DOES represent the average population? ;)
02:49 PM gloops: im going to write to my MP and tell him the UK should tariff french wine 30% and drop the tariffs on non EU wine
02:49 PM fragalot: you do that
02:49 PM Loetmichel: if THATs your level of politics knowledge its no wonder why so brits votted for the brexit.
02:49 PM gloops: theyre adding £2 a bottle to cheap plonk! to protect french farmers
02:50 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: nope
02:50 PM dioz: so many
02:50 PM fragalot: south african wine is by no means cheap plonk
02:50 PM Loetmichel: only the redneck part
02:50 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: xD
02:50 PM gloops: Loetmichel the EU is the most protectionist economic entity in the world
02:51 PM gloops: yes we can buy better wine from africa, and tbh id rather my money went to africa
02:51 PM Loetmichel: gloops: if you say so... you already have proven many times here (in a CNC channel btw) that you know shit about it.
02:51 PM gloops: africans are so much more interesting people than europeans lets face it
02:52 PM dioz: probably the most dodgy conversation i've read in here
02:52 PM fragalot: each culture is interesting in its own way
02:52 PM Loetmichel: wqhy should i add your delusions to the ones that trump has?
02:52 PM fragalot: dioz: wait until gloops brings in godwin's law
02:52 PM SpeedEvil: My favourite culture that I enjoy themost is yogurt.
02:52 PM dioz: it's just a bunch of shit being thrown over a fence in hopes it sticks
02:52 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: not beer?
02:52 PM dioz: it's a matter of trying to illicit an emotional response
02:52 PM gloops: yes it is cnc sorry, my initial concern was with engineering in our countries, and the possible effects tariffs and politicians have
02:52 PM dioz: it isn't a matter of learning or understanding
02:53 PM dioz: just a bunch of odd claims with nothing really conclusive to make it appear the ideas have been formulated entirely
02:53 PM dioz: or to any extent at all
02:53 PM gregcnc_: nothing is anymore is it?
02:53 PM SpeedEvil: fragalot: I don't do alcohol.
02:53 PM gloops: dioz my claims are supported right here, in black and white
02:53 PM Loetmichel: dioz: that may be so, and gloops starts it every few hours. sometimes i think i should klearn tio shut my trap when hearing utter BS instead of tryling to right it somewhat
02:53 PM dioz: i would entirely disagree
02:53 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: fair enough
02:54 PM dioz: Foucault said that communication is essentially a power struggle
02:54 PM dioz: i'm trying to get you to do what i want you to d o
02:54 PM gloops: Loetmichel there are no hard feelings here, i hope we can talk about stuff with no bad vibes, i was just reading this somewhere, it was quiet in here so i dropped a comment
02:54 PM dioz: or make you believe what i want you to believe
02:54 PM dioz: it's kind of how we've been raised by big media
02:55 PM gloops: Foucault thought everything was power
02:55 PM dioz: if we just communication appropriately we'll convice anyone
02:55 PM dioz: but perception is actually the information AND the processor
02:55 PM dioz: and based on our individual intersectionlaity
02:55 PM dioz: intersectionality
02:55 PM gloops: Foucault - the biggest single problem with communication is the illusion that it ever took place
02:55 PM Loetmichel: dioz: sometines i think wopr was very wise... "its a strange game. the only wining mocve iis not to play"
02:55 PM gregcnc_: is this the same dioz that we usually see?
02:56 PM dioz: i don't think it would be possible for two individuals to have the same perception
02:56 PM dioz: close!
02:56 PM dioz: but not the same
02:56 PM gloops: sounds like hes fallen in with a bad crowd gregcnc lol
02:56 PM dioz: in other words
02:56 PM dioz: stay in your lane kid ;]
02:59 PM malcom2073_: Too much galv welding
02:59 PM dioz: i'd say, however, that the potential for masculine traits or feminine traits is entirely accurate
02:59 PM gloops: there has been a resurgence in thinking that predates post-modernism
03:00 PM dioz: biologically speaking we're a result of millions of years of evolution
03:00 PM dioz: it's odd to suggest we wouldn't have implicit biological functions still "hard wired" so to speak
03:00 PM dioz: it makes me wonder to what extent my actions are actually "my" actions
03:00 PM dioz: and not a result of some kind of inherent... fucking... instinct
03:01 PM gloops: youve opened a can of worms there dioz
03:01 PM dioz: there's also predictors for success that are associated with personality traits
03:02 PM gloops: define 'success'
03:02 PM dioz: success by social standards i'd say
03:02 PM dioz: generally speaking
03:02 PM gloops: rich, powerful ?
03:02 PM gloops: success itself is subjective
03:02 PM dioz: top of the dominance heirarchy
03:02 PM fragalot: maybe you guys should start a #linuxcnc.philosophy channel
03:03 PM dioz: philosophy is pretty much quantum physics now
03:03 PM dioz: IMO
03:03 PM gloops: fragalot my cnc work is an expression of my philosophy
03:04 PM gloops: my machine is a phallic symbol, a structuralist monument of power and control
03:04 PM fragalot: have you finished wiring it then
03:04 PM dioz: gloops: you heard of jbp?
03:04 PM gloops: almost..
03:04 PM dioz: jordan peterson
03:05 PM gloops: dioz no
03:05 PM gloops: anyway i dont want to get the blame for this, im making leek and potato soup
03:06 PM dioz: i'm still binge watching bad obsession youtube channel
03:06 PM fragalot: link?
03:07 PM dioz: https://www.youtube.com/user/badobsessionmsport
03:08 PM fragalot: my god that intro alone xD
03:09 PM gregcnc_: step drills make for nice chamfered burr free holes. but I'm still fighting burrs on lathe threading
03:09 PM dioz: front or back side?
03:09 PM gregcnc_: mostly the back on od thread
03:11 PM gregcnc_: step as in subland type not unibit type
03:11 PM fragalot: only way i've found that works is a nice chamfer on the lead-out.. and a wire wheel.
03:11 PM SpeedEvil: I recommend explosive deburring.
03:11 PM gregcnc_: 40 TPI to boot
03:12 PM SpeedEvil: But then I recommend it for everything, for no particular reason other than it's cool.
03:12 PM miss0r: fragalot: This is the job i'm working on: https://imgur.com/a/5jbtw As you can see on the on the right side of the first picture, that is where I fucked up and made the two holes 30mm apart instead of 36
03:13 PM fragalot: >.<
03:13 PM XXCoder: Loetmichel: I'd think traces would have some iron, so does sone inside cu ciruits?
03:14 PM miss0r: Yeah. I've decided to mill out another bracket for it. Theres no real reason it shouldn't be 30mm apart on that
03:14 PM fragalot: miss0r: I think the cleanest fix here would be to make a new angled bracket..
03:14 PM gregcnc_: scotchbrite will probably take care of it, but the part has to be chucked because it's fiddly to hold
03:14 PM fragalot: yeah
03:14 PM dioz: yo guys... i need to learn some kind of CAD software
03:14 PM dioz: what software should i do?
03:14 PM miss0r: dioz? Is money an issue?
03:14 PM miss0r: fragalot: So you can imagine how I felt when I found out ;)
03:14 PM dioz: actually lemme take that back
03:15 PM dioz: i wanna learn to freecad
03:15 PM fragalot: I like fusion360 if you don't mind the cloud.. incredibly good for the price for start-ups or hobbyists.
03:15 PM fragalot: miss0r: as an experienced expert in drilling holes in the wrong place. I certainly can.
03:15 PM miss0r: well put :]
03:15 PM JT-Shop: dang BP PC just died in the middle of a run
03:16 PM miss0r: JT-Shop: Have you tried yelling at it?
03:16 PM gregcnc_: do you have a backup kicking around? I get two when they are for a machine.
03:17 PM miss0r: fragalot: also: the parts look alot nicer when not on camera... The camera adds atleast 5 scratches :D
03:17 PM JT-Shop: gotta see if it is just the power supply or what
03:18 PM fragalot: miss0r: my camera adds 50, thankfully good lighting can take away 49
03:19 PM fragalot: I have to say I quite like your brackets :-)
03:21 PM dioz: is welding 16 gauge mild steel with a mig welder hard?
03:22 PM dioz: what should i do for amps?
03:22 PM dioz: wire feed?
03:22 PM miss0r: fragalot: Thank you :]
03:22 PM fragalot: 16g.. 1.6mm? easy.
03:22 PM fragalot: amps & feed depend on your machine & wire size
03:22 PM dioz: 030
03:23 PM miss0r: fragalot: Now I need to start turning the guide wheels for the timing belt, and design the catcher mount for the linear rails. I think I'll call it a night. This will get hairy ;)
03:24 PM fragalot: you may want to be awake for that one
03:24 PM fragalot: :P
03:24 PM miss0r: hehe
03:24 PM miss0r: See you around
03:24 PM fragalot: gnite
03:33 PM dioz: these guys run a segment where they, instead of using fibreglass, use lycra
03:33 PM dioz: spandex type material
03:33 PM dioz: with fibreglass resin
03:33 PM fragalot: my first car was made of old T-shirts
03:33 PM fragalot: and resin
03:34 PM dioz: hah
03:34 PM fragalot: fun little deathtrap that was
03:34 PM fragalot: :P
03:36 PM gloops: fibreglass is a very versatile material
03:38 PM gloops: as is concrete https://i.pinimg.com/564x/75/f5/8a/75f58aa41500f1a945212170e65d3535.jpg
03:40 PM fragalot: that's likely both
03:40 PM fragalot: fibreglass reinforced concrete
03:41 PM gloops: maybe
03:42 PM XXCoder: hey fragalot how goes epoxy granite
03:42 PM fragalot: XXCoder: slowly. will be weeks before I actually do anything
03:43 PM XXCoder: lol ok
03:43 PM fragalot: :)
03:43 PM XXCoder: when done, pics or its just a putty pour. ;)
03:43 PM fragalot: of course
03:44 PM gloops: more likely rendering expanded steel mesh - https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/46/b2/8346b269432215cbb784a48e2e1aa1d6.png
03:44 PM XXCoder: I do want to play around with concerete
03:45 PM fragalot: gloops: the concrete itself will likely still have glass fibres in it
03:45 PM XXCoder: make a slab on yard outside, then make a outside table with it
03:45 PM fragalot: XXCoder: go for it.
03:47 PM XXCoder: sadly too busy for now
03:47 PM XXCoder: today is first real day off for now
03:47 PM XXCoder: been couple months
03:52 PM JT-Shop: hmm disconnect the pc lay it on my table and plug it in and it spins up... oh well it needs a good cleaning anyway
03:52 PM XXCoder: jt case fans need oil once a year or so
03:52 PM fragalot: likely just a bad connection somewhere then
03:52 PM dioz: bad ram
03:53 PM fragalot: and that. easy to do a memtest though
03:53 PM JT-Shop: I've never oiled a fan in my life lol
03:53 PM dioz: depends what he means by a crash
03:53 PM dioz: or it failing to boot
03:53 PM dioz: *shrug*
03:53 PM JT-Shop: mill was running a program and stopped with no video
03:54 PM dioz: onboard video?
03:54 PM dioz: or do you got a video card?
03:54 PM dioz: hah. if it's working it doesn't matter
03:54 PM dioz: nvm
03:54 PM BeachBumPete: Well got the Van torn down to the upper intake so far. I thought it was going to be a MAJOR pain in the azz but it has gone reasonably well so far. Still a long way to go...
03:54 PM dioz: you lifting a e350 ?
03:55 PM gloops: could be graphics card not sitting right
03:55 PM BeachBumPete: hell I wish
03:55 PM dioz: same
03:55 PM BeachBumPete: I AM going to try to buy one here tho soon
03:56 PM BeachBumPete: I would like a 12 passenger model with the V10 but Im not too picky just need to find a good deal.
03:56 PM gloops: whassup with the van?
03:56 PM dioz: do a 7.3 swap
03:56 PM dioz: might as well ;]
03:56 PM dioz: if you're lifting it i mean
03:56 PM fragalot: dioz: that binky is truly insane to even try
03:57 PM dioz: fragalot: i'm still binge watching it
03:57 PM dioz: ep 15.
03:57 PM fragalot: i'm at 3 now
03:57 PM dioz: i wonder who's the brain
03:57 PM BeachBumPete: Not a big fan of diesels honestly
03:58 PM BeachBumPete: thus the V10 comment :)
03:58 PM gloops: probably someone who doesnt get in the vids
03:58 PM fragalot: dioz: probably the anal one?
03:58 PM dioz: yah i've thought it's nick too
03:58 PM gloops: and doesnt want to be in the vids
03:58 PM BeachBumPete: My vans intake manifold gaskets are leaking coolant from the top of the motor. NOT FUN
03:58 PM dioz: nick seems to do all the fabrication
03:58 PM dioz: the other guy just does the voice over
03:59 PM dioz: i've seen him drill some holes and do some plumbing
03:59 PM dioz: other than that it's been a one man show
03:59 PM BeachBumPete: WTH are you guys talking about...
03:59 PM dioz: https://www.youtube.com/user/badobsessionmsport
03:59 PM dioz: watch 'em turn a mini into a celica 4wd
03:59 PM gloops: Beachbum thats not the end of the world, some gasket glue will sort it
04:00 PM dioz: or... the other way around
04:00 PM dioz: whatever
04:00 PM gloops: you have probably overheated or something though if thats just started suddenly
04:01 PM BeachBumPete: hehe yeah I wish that would fix it...
04:01 PM BeachBumPete: no its a complete upper intake tear down
04:01 PM BeachBumPete: inside a van body makes even more fun
04:01 PM gloops: youre talking about the intake manifold?
04:01 PM BeachBumPete: yeah
04:01 PM BeachBumPete: apparently this is a relatively common problem with the motor
04:01 PM fragalot: crack an egg in it :P </badAdvice>
04:02 PM gloops: not a massive thing to whip that off, clean up, new gasket - or old gasket and some gasket glue spread around, jobs a good un
04:02 PM sync: BeachBumPete: just drop the engine/frame out?
04:02 PM BeachBumPete: like I said in a pickup its a piece of crumb cake....in a VAN not so much
04:03 PM gloops: what is this one of those vw transporters with engine under the floor or something?
04:03 PM BeachBumPete: sync if I had to pull the heads maybe but not for this
04:03 PM BeachBumPete: no its a 2001 Chevy Astro van LT
04:06 PM gloops: quite a tight workspace
04:07 PM gloops: so the front of the van pulls off right?
04:07 PM gloops: http://s3.amazonaws.com/images.hollandersolutions.com/ADG/BDB/NU4/WEM/E.jpg
04:08 PM malcom2073_: Ouch, I hate working on vans. That's why I got a suburban instead of a van chassis
04:08 PM BeachBumPete: yeah the front comes off but it is not necessary for this repair honestly
04:08 PM BeachBumPete: I like suburbans but they do not have as much room inside
04:09 PM BeachBumPete: but yeah that is the motor..
04:09 PM gregcnc_: won a tiny Horn boring set on ebay. came in today. new even.
04:09 PM dioz: those allow you to cut inside a cylinder?
04:10 PM dioz: pic says yes
04:10 PM gregcnc_: well that is boring
04:10 PM dioz: the word "horn" threw me off
04:11 PM gregcnc_: PH Horn make
04:19 PM malcom2073_: True, you can't beat the room in a van
04:19 PM malcom2073_: Besides with a box truck heh
04:19 PM JT-Shop: blew a fuse on my step down transformer
04:20 PM XXCoder: can't find non-facebook link so heres fb link. weird. perfect for criminals. maybe. lol https://www.facebook.com/interestingengineering/videos/vb.139188202817559/1828774350525594/?type=2&theater
04:21 PM mario_ is now known as mafe68
04:24 PM gloops: a pick up is better for most things, especially a tipper, but you cant leave stuff on a pick up
04:24 PM BeachBumPete: I have owned several pickups cannot think of too much it is better for honestly
04:25 PM gloops: suppose it depends what you do
04:25 PM gloops: you can lift things onto a pick up, and off, or tip them off
04:26 PM gloops: you can also see whats behind you
04:28 PM malcom2073_: XXCoder: Link the image, not the post
04:28 PM malcom2073_: it's not shared
04:29 PM XXCoder: its animated
04:29 PM BeachBumPete: with few exceptions there is nothing I ever put in the bed of my truck that would not go easily in a fullsize van. Also the van has the luxury of actually locking things up as well as a HUGE roof rack area for very long pieces. The van we use at work is a 15 passenger Ford with the V10 and we put some big stuff in it all the time. its also VERY
04:29 PM BeachBumPete: long inside.
04:29 PM malcom2073_: I forklift things into the back of my suburban heh
04:29 PM XXCoder: so its hard to show how it works when its just a picture
04:29 PM malcom2073_: A van would be better, could fit almost a full pallet in there
04:29 PM BeachBumPete: we put pallets in it with the fork trucks all the time
04:30 PM BeachBumPete: that van holds a full sheet BEHIND the seats easily and still transports several fullsize humanoids
04:30 PM malcom2073_: Nice
04:30 PM gregcnc_: you don't pay the fuel bill
04:30 PM BeachBumPete: I know it may not be seen as COOL as a 4x4 pickup truck but for me it is a clear choice
04:30 PM malcom2073_: My suburban gets 12-13mpg heh
04:31 PM malcom2073_: How much does the v10 get?
04:31 PM BeachBumPete: apparently about the same... but I have not actually checked it myself.
04:31 PM gloops: ive got 4.5 metres in my van, you can lift pallets in, but not ideal as they only go behind the back axle, if you shove a pallet in you cant get it back out
04:31 PM BeachBumPete: I can say it is quite quick for something the size of a small school bus
04:32 PM XXCoder: malcom2073_: they removed the video
04:33 PM XXCoder: probably because it was balantly illegal
04:33 PM XXCoder: plate that flips around to different plate'
04:33 PM malcom2073_: Heh
04:33 PM gregcnc_: toll evaders
04:34 PM XXCoder: greg theres also covers that hide plate, for shows and such, and yes toll is "hidden" benefits
04:50 PM BeachBumPete: jeez man it had to rain today while I am trying to pull this damn intake right..
04:53 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: whats up? (12 hours later)
04:53 PM XXCoder: too bad theres no giant retractable car cover
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: eh kids today, I remember swapping transmissions in the snow at 10F in the street
04:57 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: you'll know that you're old when kid says "what's snow?"
04:57 PM BeachBumPete: I've pulled trannys and transfercases in the wild from under our rock crawlers etc. Not fun either...
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: only fun when <19
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: after that it gets old
04:58 PM XXCoder: wow activoty that ages with you ;)
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: I remember being shocked when parents would say that they were too tired to drive
04:58 PM BeachBumPete: honestly I am over working on cars for the most part. used to not mind it even enjoyed modding stuff but not really anymore. now its just work.
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: at 16 how could you be too tired to drive?
04:59 PM XXCoder: too much car rocking? lol
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: if it's rusty forget it
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: remove with torch
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: or get another car
05:00 PM XXCoder: remove it with towtruck
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: the other problem is who do you trust to do the work for you?
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: all the shops are just hacks
05:02 PM CaptHindsight: i once dropped some axles off for the bearings to be pressed off and on, I came back early and saw them beating them on with a hammer
05:03 PM BeachBumPete: sometimes you gotta beat on em with a hammer...hell sometimes you gotta break out the damn grinder man...
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: never had to with the rustiest of parts
05:04 PM BeachBumPete: especially when there is a damn brake backing plate in there you simple cannot reach the bearing to pull it.
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: that's when it comes off the vehicle
05:04 PM BeachBumPete: ask me how I know ;)
05:05 PM BeachBumPete: yeah man off the vehicle...
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: yeah some car co's really make a mess of repairs
05:05 PM BeachBumPete: for instance the suzuki samurais we built had a toyota style axles
05:06 PM BeachBumPete: they had brake backing plates that were basically the only thing keeping the inner races on the shafts.
05:06 PM BeachBumPete: You cannot pull against the backing plate because it is just sheetmetal
05:06 PM BeachBumPete: so you basically gotta cut the damn bearing off
05:07 PM BeachBumPete: I used to use an abrasive cutoff wheel and cut it in half then you still had to beat the halves off sometimes...
05:07 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.samuraiparts.com/product_info.php?products_id=4160
05:08 PM BeachBumPete: rear
05:09 PM BeachBumPete: front is disks
05:09 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.fixkick.com/axles/rear-axle-out1.jpg
05:10 PM romar: Hi, where can I find an example for fixed place auto tool changer?
05:10 PM romar: plus tool length probe as part of the ATC
05:11 PM CaptHindsight: romar: the type where the tools are held in a stationary tool holder?
05:11 PM romar: yes
05:11 PM romar: 6 sk10 for mechatron stc 80
05:12 PM CaptHindsight: romar: like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJYBAZ47gXE
05:12 PM romar: I understood from the integrator manual to remap M6
05:14 PM romar: yep, like that one. Here another example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vocpgyT7o4
05:15 PM BeachBumPete: http://www.zukikrawlers.com/showthread.php?t=2905
05:18 PM XXCoder: heyy those tool holder looks exactly like ones in office mill
05:18 PM XXCoder: tiny cat
05:22 PM XXCoder: why is it making flat spot with complex cut pattern?
05:23 PM XXCoder: why not just do rows till its almost done and use no curr pattern cut
05:23 PM XXCoder: *burr
05:28 PM XXCoder: BeachBumPete: if I designed one of those holders, I would make it check tool length twice, and if theres large difference make alert tool broken
05:29 PM XXCoder: in a61 it uses laser to measure tool, its not very precise but usually enough to detect broken tool. nice when it can run for hours and you don't want to look aand find out theres 20 broken tools.
05:43 PM CaptHindsight: Top 10 Best CNC Machines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT4jZ8yUEtk
05:43 PM CaptHindsight: Tell me what to think please!
05:44 PM Tom_L: yours?
05:46 PM CaptHindsight: mine are better
05:46 PM CaptHindsight: and i will happy to tell you what to think as well :)
05:46 PM XXCoder: im hoping my coming obsidian 3d printer would be better printer than my shitty one
05:47 PM XXCoder: snapmaker is interesting one
05:47 PM Tom_L: nice toy
05:47 PM CaptHindsight: Turdmaker 5000
05:47 PM XXCoder: yep
05:48 PM CaptHindsight: at least have a sense of humor about your product
05:48 PM XXCoder: honestly its great for fun and home usage. did you see it make nice wood lid for beans lid
05:48 PM XXCoder: plotter nice. I hope to make mine into plotter
05:48 PM XXCoder: shitty printer one
05:49 PM XXCoder: but how do I make gcode out of graphics for plotter?
05:49 PM Tom_L: inkscape
05:49 PM XXCoder: theres few cam for mill/router, slicers for 3d printer, but plotter?
05:50 PM CaptHindsight: pen plotter with one pen?
05:51 PM XXCoder: more than one is nice idea but I doubt I can design that in such way that it auto-switches lol
05:51 PM XXCoder: yeah, I had design idea yeserday on universal spring-loaded pen holder
05:51 PM XXCoder: V bracket with set screw, that assembly held with springs with set load bolt
05:52 PM gregcnc_: solved https://goo.gl/pbNHWU
05:52 PM XXCoder: I suppose simpler way is dense foam as bed (3 mm dense foam) so it deforms but not cut
05:53 PM XXCoder: gregcnc_: lol but how do it switch?
05:53 PM gregcnc_: don't let anyone else see my idea until i file the patent
05:53 PM XXCoder: kickstart it
05:53 PM gregcnc_: duh
05:53 PM XXCoder: just need a stepper and some kind of holder for top
05:56 PM XXCoder: one of machines in that video is interesting. can do air spray, pen, laser, cutter, AND stamps
05:57 PM Tom_L: well, i'd hate to see the ones that didn't make the top 10 is all i'm gonna say.
05:57 PM XXCoder: oh AND pick and place also apparently
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: I once had a customer want the pen to be servo controlled in Z to the exact amount of pressure on the substrate
05:58 PM XXCoder: apparently not available. http://toolbotics.com/
05:58 PM CaptHindsight: they could have just used a foam mat under the substrate but don't argue with scientists :)
05:58 PM Tom_L: you can see the horrid tool deflection on the one around 18:xx
05:59 PM XXCoder: not went that far yet lol pausing it often top chat
05:59 PM CaptHindsight: Sorry, Tooli is temporarily unavailable.
05:59 PM Tom_L: probably best kept that way
05:59 PM CaptHindsight: haha
06:00 PM XXCoder: tom honestly best one so far in terms of vareity
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: what a tool! :)
06:00 PM XXCoder: I mean, it can do tons stuff. sure its not "pro" but whatever for home usage
06:00 PM gregcnc_: that $99 printer that works with a phone still isn't available
06:00 PM XXCoder: greg whats name
06:00 PM XXCoder: lol that arm thing suck
06:01 PM gregcnc_: olo , ono something?
06:01 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: does the printer grind the phone into the materials?
06:01 PM XXCoder: or 3d print phones into newer model phones? I'd buy that
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/735824118/plot-airbrush-laser-dispense-tooli-the-creative-cn
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: video^^
06:02 PM gregcnc_: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/olo3d/olo-the-first-ever-smartphone-3d-printer
06:02 PM XXCoder: x-carve ehhh from what I see, pretty decent software, sucky machine
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: did they ever ship any?
06:02 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: ues
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: they asked us for resin
06:02 PM gregcnc_: not yet
06:02 PM XXCoder: from comments
06:03 PM XXCoder: 2016 posts "yay got it" so on
06:03 PM CaptHindsight: I heard that they only shipped a few units
06:03 PM CaptHindsight: 99% haven't shipped
06:03 PM XXCoder: weird because theres no hate posts
06:03 PM gregcnc_: last update says they failed the FCC test
06:03 PM XXCoder: "95% rewards shipped"
06:04 PM XXCoder: last update
06:04 PM CaptHindsight: about 7 hours ago This is my formal request for a refund of my pledge amount
06:04 PM XXCoder: gregcnc_: probably shipped all rewards, started selling but failed fcc so they stopped
06:05 PM XXCoder: oh you reading olo3d? I was reading tooli
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: 2 days ago refund me now !
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: yeah olo
06:05 PM XXCoder: tooli seems to be reasonable successful. no hate posts at all
06:06 PM gregcnc_: I would expect to se them alover YT if anyone had any
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: tooli looks shippable since it's just a router with attachments
06:06 PM XXCoder: ehh its techinically not a router :)
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: XYZ system
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: ok?
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: :)
06:06 PM XXCoder: lol ok
06:07 PM XXCoder: theres some machines thats just amgious
06:07 PM CaptHindsight: ambiguous?
06:07 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:08 PM CaptHindsight: they should call them Pats
06:09 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: quit being so ambigous <rolls eyes and does the hair flip thing>
06:10 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTtmddry2cg
06:10 PM XXCoder: uhoh!! "Production will resume again in 2018."
06:10 PM XXCoder: 2018 now
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: they mean another 2018
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: wow 25 years ago that trailer
06:12 PM XXCoder: tooli may be dead :(
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: I really thought people would be over all the gender issues by now
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: not even close
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: lots of open source people think that hardware should not be sold with more than about 10% profit margin
06:13 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: the yt link... WUT DA HELL was that?!
06:14 PM CaptHindsight: so some try and fail
06:14 PM XXCoder: 10% ehh not really enough
06:14 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Pat
06:14 PM XXCoder: need enough to make feedback loop that keeps company running
06:14 PM CaptHindsight: old SNL sketch
06:14 PM CaptHindsight: turned into a movie
06:15 PM XXCoder: capt know whats weird? 3 sizes, all same price, $1595
06:15 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Ah. Anything beyond the ORINIAL SNL I dont care for all that much
06:15 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: JANE YOU IGNORANT SLUT!
06:15 PM XXCoder: laser isnt added anymore (I guess fcc violation) but rest is included
06:15 PM XXCoder: so probably extrusion sizes mean nothing
06:16 PM XXCoder: whole list of tools http://toolbotics.com/TooliG2.html
06:16 PM XXCoder: I guess im wrong, it can be a router also.
06:19 PM XXCoder: engraver more properly
06:21 PM CaptHindsight: CNC thing
06:21 PM CaptHindsight: ambiguous CNC
06:22 PM CaptHindsight: in 3 sizes
06:22 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: at 18 min now, looking if I can see defection. btw that model may be orginial for all them cheapish ones at bunch chinese websites
06:22 PM CaptHindsight: smalluous, mediumuous and biguous
06:23 PM XXCoder: one at websites is made with hard plastic where wood is in video
06:23 PM XXCoder: um that may not be defection but youtube autovomit video stabilizer
06:24 PM XXCoder: holy shit is that section anf machine shitty
06:24 PM XXCoder: video is bad
06:57 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20180308-creator-of-zyyx-3d-printer-developing-sub-12k-metal-additive-manufacturing-system.html
06:58 PM CaptHindsight: look at how bad the wrenches in his hands look
07:19 PM enleth: jesus, why is it that some native english speakers manage to mangle "must have [done smth]" into "must of"?
07:19 PM enleth: I get "great"/"grate", "sight"/"site", etc., but this?
07:21 PM enleth: (completely OT, only asking here because a lot of people from UK and USA hang around and might have noticed this mistake in the wild)
07:22 PM fenugrec: dunces will be dunces, regardless of native language
07:24 PM enleth: I can't even begin to imagine the thought process of such a person while reading something, anything, on the internet that's bound to contain a lot of instances of "must have"
07:34 PM malcom2073_: enleth: Must Have -> Must've -> mustof
07:34 PM malcom2073_: It's a sign of someone who has learned by hearing, rather than by reading
07:39 PM enleth: but what do these people think when they see everyone else around them write it differently?
07:41 PM malcom2073_: Probably the same as you're thinking: How do these native english speakers manage to mangle that?
07:43 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: looks like cheapest possible tools
07:44 PM XXCoder: ah apparently metal printed
07:44 PM malcom2073_: We have a SLS printer at work, my first time ever playing with one, it's a pretty cool tech. I'd love to have a DMLS one
07:44 PM malcom2073_: Or even whatever that weird combo where you cook/sinter it afterwards
07:44 PM XXCoder: malcom2073_: send machine to me! ;)
07:45 PM SpeedEvil: :)
07:45 PM malcom2073_: XXCoder: Haha, nooo I love it
07:45 PM XXCoder: aww
07:46 PM * XXCoder traces malcom2073_'s net access
07:46 PM malcom2073_: It's pretty cool, we actually have a nitrogen generator that keeps the environment o2 free
07:46 PM * XXCoder notes address for... visit later
07:46 PM malcom2073_: Hahaha, my address is 50 miles from my work, good luck
07:46 PM SpeedEvil: malcom2073_: what is the tech on that, I could do with one
07:46 PM malcom2073_: tbh though, if you were industrious you could fairly easily figure out where I work
07:46 PM SpeedEvil: Or is it unreasonably expensive
07:46 PM malcom2073_: SpeedEvil: The nitrogen gen? No clue... probably not cheap
07:47 PM malcom2073_: I'll ask the mech-e at work this week if I remember
07:47 PM malcom2073_: It uses an air compressor though
07:47 PM XXCoder: nirogen generator I guess needs air distallation
07:47 PM malcom2073_: Uses the piss out of our roots screw compressor
07:47 PM XXCoder: which means it needs supercold generator of some kind, likely stirling
07:48 PM malcom2073_: Maybe? Or venturi?
07:48 PM malcom2073_: Can you get *that* cold with venturis?
07:50 PM XXCoder: wow some people is morons. https://wokesloth.com/people-are-this-vegan-bloggers-malnourished-fennec-fox/jake/
07:51 PM SpeedEvil: You can feed 'carnivourous' animals vegan diets. It is _hard_ to get all the amino acids required.
07:51 PM malcom2073_: Hmm, seems no, that's not normally how you generate nitrogen
07:51 PM SpeedEvil: And if you don't get it right, you get nasty deficiencies.
07:51 PM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: fennec fox needs real tannin, so even cat food dont work
07:52 PM malcom2073_: I want to make a cryogenerator sterling too someday
07:52 PM XXCoder: malcom me too! but not likely for me. aw.
07:52 PM SpeedEvil: Annoyingly, cryocoolers are available in the USA onebay, but nothere
07:52 PM malcom2073_: First on my project list is still an IC motor
07:52 PM XXCoder: how do it generate nitrogen? I know air has tons of it (being majority of it)
07:52 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Air-Products-Chemicals-Displex-DE202S-Cryocooler/141657363111
07:53 PM XXCoder: I guess can use anti-oxygen (iron flakes or something)
07:53 PM malcom2073_: XXCoder: how does what, the sterling?
07:53 PM XXCoder: your machine
07:53 PM malcom2073_: Oh I haven't a clue, I'm gonna look on monday
07:53 PM XXCoder: supercold its pretty simple, distallation
07:53 PM malcom2073_: I'd guess membrane
07:53 PM malcom2073_: from looking on the wikipedia page
07:54 PM XXCoder: maybe, someone somewhat recently invented one for water vapor
07:54 PM XXCoder: one way even
07:55 PM SpeedEvil: I'd love to play with some proper superconductor at LN2 temps.
07:56 PM XXCoder: getting oxy out of liquidifed air is pretty simple if I recall, oxygen have much lower liquid temperate than nirogen?
07:56 PM XXCoder: so, essentally boil it off
07:56 PM malcom2073_: liquified air is a funny thing, the nitrogen comes out first as a liquid
07:57 PM malcom2073_: Oh apparently it does stay together
07:58 PM XXCoder: nirogen stays together when liquid?
07:58 PM SpeedEvil: ?
07:58 PM malcom2073_: nitrogen o2 and argon do
07:59 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PWESWqhD8s
08:00 PM XXCoder: lol mal I wonder if its morer effecient to run stiring and push heat outside to cool room than AC
08:00 PM malcom2073_: sterlings aren't very efficient at cooling, much more so at heating heh
08:00 PM XXCoder: bonus is no freon at all (do we still use freon?)
08:01 PM XXCoder: that guy has weird straw-filled tube, its apparently nirogen seperator
08:01 PM XXCoder: one end has water seperator'
08:02 PM XXCoder: ah! it removes oxygen because straws allow oxygen in but not nirogen
08:03 PM XXCoder: I guess its similiar concept as omasis for filteration of water
08:08 PM XXCoder: around 10:40-12:00 lol dizzying
08:11 PM XXCoder: oxygen is paramagnetic. I wonder if that opens a much easier distallation
08:11 PM XXCoder: malcom2073_: you will probably enjoy this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gCTKteN5Y4
08:14 PM CaptHindsight: enleth: must have, must of, mustah covers both
08:16 PM CaptHindsight: adter 1-20 years you'll hear and see mustah on the news
08:37 PM CaptHindsight: mybad adter/after
09:33 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuuYFt8bahE
09:40 PM CaptHindsight: Dot Patterns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAja2jp1VjE
09:46 PM branjb: how important is table rigidity? would a table that slightly vibrates on direction change be a reason for bits to break?
09:53 PM XXCoder: branjb: chatter
09:53 PM XXCoder: and evenually breakage
09:55 PM branjb: hmm, any idea what the best approach for reducing table vibration is? adding mass to the table, or vibration dampening feet?
09:55 PM XXCoder: that is more engineering question, so dunno
09:55 PM XXCoder: is there any backlash?
09:56 PM branjb: there is not much, especially in comparison to the table vibration on direction change
09:58 PM XXCoder: I wondr why it does that
09:59 PM branjb: idk, I think it might be the floor. it's kinda slippery. I'm going to try some rubber feet I think
10:00 PM XXCoder: more mass may help also
10:00 PM XXCoder: if you have 4 hockey pucks, you could do that anti vibration trick feet with em
10:00 PM branjb: that's a good idea
10:01 PM XXCoder: gonna be real ones, not plastic ones cheap ones sell
10:01 PM branjb: I have at least 2 in my hockey bag
10:01 PM branjb: maybe more
10:02 PM XXCoder: cool
10:02 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dolYFgwppWs
10:03 PM CaptHindsight: branjb: have a pic of the machine and its table?
10:03 PM branjb: yeah hang on
10:04 PM XXCoder: that tutoral is nice for feet. ignore his welding part lol
10:05 PM branjb: https://imgur.com/a/p7VyJ
10:07 PM XXCoder: that is little more light duty than I expected lol
10:07 PM branjb: it's shoved in a corner atm. those are the the only ones I have of it
10:07 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, that table is going to wobble
10:07 PM XXCoder: yeah. need more trangles and way more mass.
10:08 PM XXCoder: rubber feet helps on some stuff but that needs more mass to work effectively. trangeles to prevent it from rocking
10:08 PM branjb: so wobble leads to chatter leads to breakage?
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: and poor cuts
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: I's also make the end supports for the gantry 4x thicker
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: or 2x with steel
10:10 PM branjb: ok, good. I'll try the hockey puck feet and reinforcing it with some more 2x4's
10:10 PM XXCoder: and find some heavy steel scrap
10:11 PM branjb: just chuck it in the bottom shelf?
10:11 PM XXCoder: maybe junkyard has 1 inch thick sheet or something
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: poor a few inches of concrete under the top of that table
10:11 PM branjb: hmm
10:11 PM XXCoder: yeah that'd be better but simple to jul put in steel blocks and sheet under
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: or look for a 3/4" steel plate
10:12 PM XXCoder: and cross members and tringles and it'd be nice and rigid
10:13 PM XXCoder: not too sure how to firm up your sides
10:13 PM XXCoder: extrusion ones I mean
10:14 PM XXCoder: but stopping table from moving may be enough if you dont cut anyting besides wood and plastics.
10:15 PM XXCoder: oh yeah for gantry sides.. lemme find a pic a sec
10:16 PM XXCoder: not too sucessful finding it
10:16 PM branjb: i've seen youtube videos of other people using this type of build to cut aluminum, i'm mostly planning on cutting wood but would like to be able to cut aluminum to upgrade/change/modify it
10:16 PM branjb: I think my table is what I need to work on atm
10:16 PM XXCoder: well vant find any
10:17 PM XXCoder: basically you get L alum extruded
10:17 PM XXCoder: you add it to sides of gantry so its much more stiff
10:17 PM XXCoder: it should be angled
10:18 PM XXCoder: it stops sides from swaying to sides when cutting harder material like alum
10:18 PM gregcnc_: https://mashable.com/2018/03/10/flippy-burger-robot/#W55P91RJeaqZ
10:19 PM XXCoder: gregcnc_: ya flipping burgers is hell, hope it replacs all of jobs for that
10:19 PM XXCoder: lemme draw a picture
10:19 PM gregcnc_: seems like it's not really well thought out
10:19 PM CaptHindsight: wrong bot for the job
10:20 PM CaptHindsight: what nonsense
10:20 PM branjb: waste of a six axis robot
10:24 PM XXCoder: okay here it is
10:24 PM XXCoder: branjb: https://imgur.com/a/STOU3
10:24 PM XXCoder: its very fast and crude drawing
10:24 PM XXCoder: the gray thing is L extruded plastic
10:24 PM XXCoder: the darker one is where alum sticks outwards
10:25 PM branjb: I'm having trouble visualizing it
10:25 PM XXCoder: so with that "fin" gantry can't bend as easily
10:27 PM branjb: no pictures anywhere?
10:27 PM XXCoder: cant find it
10:28 PM branjb: i'll keep it in mind
10:28 PM XXCoder: its very simple modification though
10:28 PM XXCoder: get length of L extrusion of plastic and put it on side, angled to get longest length that dont hit anything
10:28 PM XXCoder: bolt it on mybe 3 spots
10:30 PM XXCoder: maybe make corners rounded for looks and no maim design :)
10:30 PM XXCoder: my picture - the white area is your gantry sides
10:31 PM branjb: yeah I just can't visualize what the L extrusion is
10:32 PM XXCoder: oh its just one of those standard alum extrusions, like square or I or L
10:32 PM XXCoder: https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1N1fhNVXXXXcgXXXXq6xXFXXXb/Shape-L-Aluminum-Extrusion-Profile.jpg
10:32 PM branjb: oh so it's just bolting extrusion on to add rigidity?
10:32 PM branjb: I see
10:33 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:34 PM XXCoder: if you had stress analysis software could see where best place it lol
10:34 PM XXCoder: but its expensive
10:34 PM XXCoder: anyway its cheap and low weight way to add rigidity to existing sides
10:38 PM XXCoder: goal is simple really, place outwards part of L where greatest flex could happen
10:41 PM XXCoder: at end, after table mass and structure upgrades, and fins on gantry side it should be able to cut alum, lightly.
10:41 PM XXCoder: its definitely not designed for that :)
10:49 PM XXCoder: I give up. it disappeared into ether
11:13 PM CaptHindsight: https://medium.com/@mmeditations/e-o-wilson-on-the-upside-of-introversion-the-limits-of-iq-and-where-ideas-really-come-from-23cface0cd8b
11:20 PM XXCoder: lol my iq is right in that range. 130
11:24 PM CaptHindsight: I failed the test :(
11:25 PM XXCoder: what test?
11:26 PM CaptHindsight: were you a fan of Firefly the season it was out? 2002-03?
11:26 PM XXCoder: nah
11:26 PM CaptHindsight: I saw the follow up movie but never watched the series
11:27 PM CaptHindsight: not really exciting, I FF through most of the first episode
11:28 PM XXCoder: I watched movie but it was longa fetr the release
11:28 PM CaptHindsight: same for Altered Carbon, watched the first 2-3 episodes, haven't been back to it yet
11:28 PM XXCoder: havent watched that
11:29 PM CaptHindsight: kind of a Blade Runner feel
11:29 PM XXCoder: I liked bablon 5 though, hated the telepath season though. years later I found out no wonder, they had 3 espoide on telepath wars, but they had tp drop shows after that so they had to make it fill entire season
11:29 PM XXCoder: so it was very thin content season
11:29 PM CaptHindsight: but the characters aren't interesting to me
11:30 PM CaptHindsight: gave up in Mr. Robot by the 2nd season
11:30 PM CaptHindsight: in/on
11:30 PM XXCoder: I barely watch any shows now
11:31 PM XXCoder: I prefer reading way over tv watching
11:31 PM CaptHindsight: not much really on that is worth the time