#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 04 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:06 AM fragalot: morning
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: morning
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: getting a nice day here
01:09 AM XXCoder: non-morning
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: how is the weather on the westcost
01:09 AM XXCoder: cloudy
01:29 AM IchGucksLive: morning _abc_ from germany
01:37 AM _abc_: hi
01:46 AM gloops: freezing fog
01:52 AM _abc_: If it does not take down the cables you're good gloops
01:54 AM gloops: yes, if Belgium launched a surprise attack we wouldnt see them coming though
02:03 AM _abc_: radar works in fog. Relax.
02:04 AM XXCoder: "He's now president for life. President for life. No, he's great," Trump said. "And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day."
02:05 AM XXCoder: president for life
02:05 AM gloops: who is president for life?
02:05 AM XXCoder: china president, Xi
02:06 AM gloops: oh yes, thats fairly typical for communist leaders
02:06 AM XXCoder: and soon, america also
02:06 AM _abc_: gloops: there are two kinds of presidents for life, those who step down when the time comes and those who are gunned down
02:07 AM gloops: true yes abc, 'life' will probably not mean his natural span
02:07 AM _abc_: In some countries people already think that 4 or 5 year political mandates with no way to down-vote the elected persons is way too long.
02:07 AM gloops: Tony Benn summed this up with a catchy phrase
02:07 AM XXCoder: I like PM system bit better. can hold place for while, till no confidence or party loses majority
02:08 AM _abc_: Democratic ones, not other kinds. I envy .ch for their direct democracy, and the fact that they can technically impeach any idiot leader who thinks he's god incarnate 10 minutes after the polls declare him victorious.
02:08 AM gloops: he said the first thing we need to know about any leader is 'how did he get there, and how do we get rid of him?'
02:08 AM _abc_: This country changed pm 4 times in less than 3 years already, not amusing. Always from the same party.
02:08 AM _abc_: gloops: not in that order
02:08 AM XXCoder: geez
02:09 AM gloops: germany is coming up fo 5th term isnt it?
02:09 AM _abc_: Germany tool QUITE some time to work out a coalition. Is it falling apart already?
02:09 AM XXCoder: we need tp change politicans and baby diapers sometimes, for pretty much for same reason.
02:10 AM gloops: how did he get there - should be elected - same for getting rid of him/her
02:10 AM gloops: abc im not sure of this is merkels 4th or 5th term
02:10 AM _abc_: Yeah, you see, clever politicians invented the political diode for this. Anyone who does get up in a saddle, no longer comes down, certainly not the way he got up.
02:10 AM _abc_: We need to make those bidirectional sidacs.
02:17 AM Deejay: moin
02:23 AM gloops: well, ill try and get the motor cables on and get this thing moving again today
02:24 AM gloops: weds thurs friday free, maybe, just maybe i can chalk 'done' under this one this week
02:29 AM _abc_: scary af <off topic> Japan skyscrapers swaying during a quake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q40urtUIcAM
02:30 AM XXCoder: japan really knows how to quake-proof their buildings
02:32 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKqE_mwMmo
02:33 AM XXCoder: 800 tons.
02:33 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSEYOavsKxA better video of it
02:35 AM XXCoder: 41 steel plates wow
02:39 AM IchGucksLive: grand children are here im off NEED to pplay with Robots
02:45 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzWBEKP3YMI nteresting video
02:45 AM XXCoder: stupid effects
02:49 AM XXCoder: I wonder how many years he did that
02:53 AM XXCoder: wow the sphere process is insane
03:03 AM gloops: nice morning here, snow on floor, freezing fog and now quite heavy rain/sleet
03:04 AM XXCoder: man
03:04 AM XXCoder: that video was awesome
03:04 AM fragalot: gloops: what kind of army do you think we have to launch an attack against the UK? xD
03:05 AM gloops: thats what they said at the battle of the bulge fragalot
03:05 AM gloops: we must remain vigilant
03:06 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBKBThZlukc LOL hes apparently decent on electrics
03:06 AM XXCoder: and made a glow rock sphere
03:06 AM fragalot: gloops: that's defence, and using our superior knowledge of the lay of the land, and we had a /LOT/ of help.
03:08 AM fragalot: gloops: and if i'm correct, the belgian army didn't even have any actual units involved, the battle of the bulge was fought by the US, UK and DE.. in belgium.
03:09 AM gloops: yes the ardennes, hitler moved almost his entire eastern army to the ardennes forest - totally unseen by the allies
03:10 AM XXCoder: yet same guy attacked russia in middle of winter
03:10 AM gloops: who thought he did not have the forces to attack there heh
03:10 AM XXCoder: well fall but yeah
03:10 AM fragalot: gloops: you can't compare a country with 82 million, with one of 10 million though
03:10 AM fragalot: like I said, IF belgium would do anything, it would have to be with a lot of allies
03:11 AM gloops: well it was just a thought
03:12 AM fragalot: considering that the UK is one of those allies.. i'd be very surprised, lol
03:13 AM gloops: at the bulge hitler had gambled on a weather event, there is *usually* a period like this late winter there - freezing fog, low visibility, that lasts a few weeks, it came for him, and he attacked
03:13 AM gloops: allied air superiority couldnt be deployed
03:14 AM gloops: actually early winter
03:15 AM fragalot: i'm not sure if we even have all that many military planes, ships, or tanks any more
03:15 AM fragalot: most of the investments have been in bomb/mine disposal gear
03:16 AM gloops: i thought the belgian army was quite big relative to the country
03:16 AM fragalot: around 30k?
03:17 AM fragalot: during WWI it was around 166
03:17 AM fragalot: WWII had 600k
03:17 AM fragalot: weird what a draft can do :p
03:19 AM gloops: around 100 aircraft
03:19 AM gloops: 550 armoured vehicles, negligible naval forces
03:19 AM gloops: there are however 4.5 million men of fighting age
03:20 AM fragalot: how does this compare to the UK?
03:21 AM gloops: total aircraft well over 1000
03:21 AM gloops: armour 6000
03:22 AM gloops: 76 naval assets including 2 QE class carriers
03:22 AM gloops: 30 000 000 manpower
03:23 AM fragalot: half of the mentioned armoured vehicles are probably anti-mine, and most of the aircraft will be logistical
03:23 AM fragalot: gloops: and how does that compare to the national budget / head count?
03:23 AM gloops: we have 250 heavy tanks
03:24 AM fragalot: heavy tanks are slowly becoming obsolete
03:24 AM fragalot: they don't fit into today's battlefields anymore
03:25 AM gloops: uk defence budget $45 700 000 000 purchasing power $2788 000 000 000
03:25 AM gloops: tanks combined with air power is still the way to invade - like america in iraq
03:26 AM fragalot: america has publicly said that the tanks were a costly mistake
03:26 AM fragalot: they are useless in tightly populated urban environments
03:26 AM gloops: they are becoming obsolete yes
03:26 AM fragalot: but GREAT for open planes
03:26 AM XXCoder: usa is still makinmg tanks
03:26 AM gloops: there is still a role for them though, you wouldnt want to be caught without any, not yet
03:27 AM fragalot: in today's tightly populated cities however, tanks are very easy targets
03:27 AM gloops: russia still places huge emphasis on tanks
03:27 AM fragalot: sure, it depends on the actual battlefield
03:27 AM fragalot: large open spaces? tanks.
03:27 AM fragalot: tightly built up areas? no t(h)anks.
03:28 AM gloops: also as a spearhead, rapid dispersal of enemy positions etc
03:28 AM XXCoder: there is entire parking lots of tanks that havent been driven for years after initial test
03:28 AM gloops: XXCoder dare you scrap them though? while putin has so many
03:28 AM XXCoder: tanks for everyone
03:29 AM gloops: that is the problem with military power, you have to match the rest
03:29 AM XXCoder: must buy a tank or lose driving license
03:29 AM fragalot: lol
03:30 AM XXCoder: tanks for tanks
03:30 AM gloops: ive just been reading the memoirs of a german soldier in the east, the way the germans were ousted is interesting, during the initial attacks on german position, he reported the scary moment when 3 t34s were seen moving towards his section, which were repelled
03:30 AM fragalot: why bother with tanks when you can push a single button and launch a plethora of rockets to take them out in today's modern battlefield
03:31 AM gloops: later on in the war, the sheer terror of counting 100 t34s heading straight toward your little trench - unstoppable power
03:31 AM XXCoder: if you love history and science fiction, look up In the balance by turtledove
03:32 AM XXCoder: its start of 8 book series (techinically 4, 3 then one series) thats amazing read
03:32 AM fragalot: gloops: back then, yeah. tanks were horrifying, nothing existed to stop them at the time
03:32 AM fragalot: now all you need are a few well aimed RPG's that are as common as dirt
03:32 AM fragalot: reactive armor may stop the first, but it won't help against the second or third
03:33 AM fragalot: let alone artillery or air support
03:33 AM fragalot: personally, I'm a huge fan of USA's BRRRRRRRRT
03:33 AM XXCoder: theres ongoing reserach on kenetic kill weapons
03:33 AM XXCoder: insane
03:33 AM fragalot: "hey lets make a gun.. cool. we made a gun.. let's make it fly"
03:34 AM fragalot: gloops: have you read the books written by a blackbird pilot?
03:34 AM fragalot: they're a great read
03:34 AM fragalot: gloops: https://oppositelock.kinja.com/favorite-sr-71-story-1079127041 <= here's one of them
03:36 AM gloops: no not read those ill have a look thanks
03:37 AM XXCoder: kinda sad im reading last book, "Homeward Bound"
03:40 AM gloops: and even now, italian elections today, fascism is still a possibility
03:41 AM XXCoder: fascism is always possible
03:41 AM gloops: lega not in the running i dont think but a lot of hard/far right parties
03:41 AM XXCoder: first, have some group rest hate and fears
03:41 AM XXCoder: ramp up hatred for them
03:41 AM XXCoder: keep ramping that up while rights is takes away
03:41 AM gloops: XXCoder fascism requires fertile conditions
03:42 AM gloops: and those are created by liberals
03:43 AM gloops: italy, economic stagnation, poverty, youth uneployment sky high, massive influx of immigrants - any wonder people are looking for alternatives?
03:43 AM XXCoder: lol
04:22 AM jthornton: morning
04:40 AM gloops: my silkies are laying, 2 different eggs so assuming 2 hens laying
04:40 AM gloops: but were hidden - so removed the board they laid behind
04:41 AM jthornton: nice
04:41 AM jthornton: when the first two started laying one was crawling behind a piece of cardboard divider and laying on top of my RPi lol
04:42 AM gloops: lol, funny the places they choose
04:42 AM jthornton: the first one I found was in a 5 gallon bucket with some pea gravel in it lol
04:43 AM gloops: i put them a temp shelf up, about 2 feet accross, with board accross front filled with straw - no, they lay on the floor behind a piece of wood
04:43 AM jthornton: they like to lay in a dark place I think
04:44 AM gloops: yeah somewhere secure, ill get some boxes up for them later in the week, they cant fly so maybe they do prefer to lay on the floor anyway
04:45 AM gloops: can only jump about 2 foot lol
04:45 AM jthornton: I didn't know silkies could not fly
04:46 AM gloops: ive put a board accross the door which i step over to get in, about 18inch high, theyve never made any attempt to get out, or get on the old perches that were in the shed
04:46 AM gloops: the feathers arent stuck together - they flap but the air goes right through
04:48 AM jthornton: turns out f-engrave is based on some of my work I did a long time ago
04:49 AM gloops: wow, thats something..you should be a dab hand with it then lol
04:49 AM gloops: did it work for what you wanted jthornton?
04:50 AM jthornton: yes, I cut a couple of small samples then an 8" tall one but waiting on a 1/2" 60° V carve bit to arrive
04:52 AM gloops: ill try it myself when i finally get cutting, have seen some good examples of work made with it though
04:55 AM jthornton: it will output arcs now
05:29 AM jthornton: now I need to build a proper router lol
05:36 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ty7ITWadv8
06:05 AM Tom_L: morning
06:06 AM jthornton: morning
06:11 AM Tom_L: 58 already
06:11 AM jthornton: we are still a bit chilly 36°F
06:12 AM Tom_L: wind feels like it's changing so it may not last long
06:34 AM miss0r: Damn i'm doing some hard work at the moment. i've been putting it of for too long. I am pulling out the larger branches, that was embedded in the ground when I cut down some rather large trees, before christmas
06:35 AM miss0r: I have to use one of these: https://www.vaerktoejsspecialisten.dk/image/cache/data/imagemanager/Avn/S34204-resize-500x500.jpg
06:35 AM miss0r: Then I strap it to the side of the branch sticking out the ground, and secure the scrap from slipping with some wood screws. and then, JUST then can I pull'em out
06:35 AM jthornton: interesting jack
06:35 AM miss0r: Here in Denmark, we call it a coffee mill
06:36 AM miss0r: its almost like a machinist jack, for moving machinery, only quite manual & with gears
06:36 AM miss0r: It takes three tons
06:38 AM jthornton: we use a farm jack https://images.homedepot-static.com/productImages/b5fa2aeb-dbc8-42e8-aa19-a4ca409c9372/svn/big-red-car-jacks-stands-tr6501b-64_1000.jpg
06:40 AM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/LMT-Onsrud-57-240-Uncoated-Diameter/product-reviews/B002KN57KS/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews
06:40 AM jthornton: gotta love the fake review
06:47 AM fragalot: hey
06:56 AM miss0r: hello
06:57 AM miss0r: jthornton: Someone seemed rather happy with'em, ha :D
06:57 AM miss0r: jthornton: Look into SGS endmills, they are always good
06:57 AM jthornton: https://www.walmart.com/ip/ONSRUD-Routing-End-Mill-Downcut-Wood-Rout-57-240/275409781
06:58 AM jthornton: onsrud sold by zoro picked up at walmart lol
06:58 AM miss0r: They sell anything at wallmart, now'a'days don't they ;D
06:58 AM miss0r: I better get back to pulling branches from the ground
06:59 AM jthornton: https://www.zoro.com/onsrud-routing-end-mill-downcut-wood-rout-57-240/i/G0344407/#specifications
07:09 AM gloops: coolant leak on sprinter van, turns out to be a small cover/inspection plate on the engine, with no apparent purpose, 3 lugs for 8mm bolts crack
07:09 AM gloops: ed
07:09 AM gloops: it just goes to show how crap they really are
07:10 AM fragalot: or your coolant froze and cracked it
07:10 AM gloops: luckily (or maybe not) got a spare engine
07:10 AM gloops: fragalot yes im assuming that is the case, cant see external cold cracking it
07:10 AM fragalot: if that is the case, it would not matter how good the engine is
07:10 AM gloops: its running fine but im waiting for the head gasket symptoms
07:11 AM fragalot: enclosed ice will break anything
07:11 AM fragalot: if it's not pressurized, you could probably just seal up the cracks
07:11 AM gloops: ive got a spare plate to fix that issue, if there are no other engine cracks i might have got away with it
07:14 AM gloops: if the engine did freeze very remote chance it will not be damaged
07:15 AM fragalot: depends on how lucky you were if it froze all the way, or only on the bottom that's more exposed to the cold wind
07:16 AM gloops: im not really bothered about it tbh im ready for a new one anyway, just be an inconvenience
07:16 AM gloops: i didnt start it for 3 days last i dont think, it was freezing up good chance it went all the way, ill know soon enough anyway
07:17 AM gloops: if it was freezing up
08:25 AM gloops: hmm, no..there is also what appears to be a pinhole blowing steam out higher up
08:26 AM gloops: might have a look see if i can drill/tap tap that, be lucky if the water jacket wall is thick enough
08:30 AM gregcnc: why would it freeze?
08:30 AM gloops: anti-freeze lacking
08:30 AM gregcnc: none at all?
08:30 AM gloops: it had some in that was put in about 2 years ago
08:31 AM gregcnc: does it leak and you top up with water?
08:32 AM gloops: initially i noticed it overheating - very quick, spotted water running from lower engine from behind a plate - plate was cracked, fixed that
08:32 AM gloops: now it isnt losing water so fast, but blowing it from a small hole in cyclinder head
08:33 AM gloops: recent cold snap last week, can only assume it froze up
08:33 AM gloops: the overheating might have caused the pinhole
08:34 AM gloops: its probably a gonner
08:34 AM gregcnc: low antifreeze ratio would do it, but don't most modern cars want antifreeze for the heat?
08:34 AM gloops: but..i have seen water jacks stitched up before
08:35 AM BeachBumPete: Hey guys anyone else have problems with F360 locking up when you try to save as?
08:35 AM gloops: its run fine for years with what ive put in, water pump went a couple of years ago that was last time i changed coolant, might have been 3 years actually
08:35 AM gloops: water jackets - chain drilled and tapped with studs
08:36 AM gregcnc: antifreeze doesn't generally stop antifreezing, but the corrosion package get consumed
08:36 AM gloops: well this hole - i initially though, ahh cracked head, but it looks as if its just corroded through
08:36 AM gloops: a round hole
08:37 AM gregcnc: throw a can of stop leak in
08:37 AM gloops: would have to remove exhaust manifold to look properly, but maybe, it could be drilled and tapped
08:37 AM gloops: i might try that
08:38 AM gloops: a bolt would be more permanent, if the metal is thick enough to tap
08:55 AM * JT-Shop wonders what the difference between engrave and V-carve???
08:59 AM gloops: not that much
09:00 AM BeachBumPete: I think V carve gives you the more detailed Z movements for routing signs with deep relief letters so the corners come out nice etc...
09:00 AM gloops: probably better drawing, and im not sure if v carve does a cutting sim
09:01 AM gloops: you can do the drawing in other apps though, inkscape is good
09:11 AM gloops: or the difference between engrave function and v carve function?
09:39 AM dioz: what do you boys think? 5.7 litre tundra? titan? or a 3.5 litre ecoboost?
09:39 AM dioz: ford, toyota, or nissan ?
09:40 AM dioz: not gonna be pulling anything
09:40 AM dioz: it's just a mobile tool box
09:40 AM dioz: i gotta spend 2 months in another city
09:40 AM dioz: wife said i can buy a truck when i get back
09:41 AM Roguish: https://www.mostluxuriouslist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Ford-F-450-Platinum.jpg
09:41 AM BeachBumPete: I'm far more of a van guy but I would look at either the Ford or the Toyota if it were me...
09:43 AM dioz: soccer mom ;]
09:44 AM Rab: I drove a Nissan Titan rental and it was pitiful. Suspension and torque curve set up to make it a luxury SUV. No comparison to the diesel F-350 it was subbing for.
09:44 AM gloops: 5.7 litre van lol, unheard of here
09:45 AM dioz: no reason for a diesel unless you're haulin
09:45 AM gloops: diesel and petrol at £7 a gallon
09:45 AM Rab: But I think the lesson there is, make sure the truck you get is set up for your needs. I'm sure a Titan can be configured as a work truck.
09:45 AM BeachBumPete: No actually I mean a REAL VAN... Like E350 4x4 custom vans
09:45 AM dioz: ^ that is what i figured
09:46 AM dioz: the ones you see the hutterites cruisin around in
09:46 AM dioz: 2 months worth of trade school boys
09:47 AM Rab: BeachBumPete, I strongly recommend against those. We have a E(250/350) 4x4 conversion at work and it's squirrelly as hell on the highway. Towing calms it down a little.
09:47 AM dioz: starting tomorrow
09:47 AM dioz: fuck my life
09:47 AM BeachBumPete: driven quite a few never experienced that at all but hey who knows
09:47 AM dioz: i get official schooling on mig welding this year
09:47 AM dioz: which is a plus
09:47 AM dioz: too bad i'm pretty much a champ at mig welding already
09:48 AM Rab: I would rather have had a diesel van. But Ford van 4x4 conversions are done aftermarket, so you can get either stock diesel *or* 4x4 conversion (without going custom, I presume).
09:48 AM dioz: Rab: those e350's are all the hutterites drive around here
09:48 AM dioz: i'd imagine they're good as the hutterites are typically loaded
09:48 AM BeachBumPete: what's a hutterite?
09:49 AM Rab: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterite
09:49 AM dioz: ^
09:49 AM dioz: i used to do service work all over south west saskatchewan
09:49 AM dioz: and there's tons of hutterite colonies round yonder
09:49 AM dioz: fuck you'd walk in and there'd be about 15-20 kids all dressed weird talkin in broken german
09:49 AM dioz: following you around
09:50 AM dioz: hitting you and trying to take your shit
09:50 AM Rab: My father visited a Hutterite community in Montana...good food, strange people. They really wanted the women who were with him to join the compound.
09:50 AM BeachBumPete: Wierd these vans are NOT cheap surprising they could afford one really...
09:50 AM dioz: BeachBumPete: hutterites are usually loaded
09:50 AM dioz: loaded = lots of money
09:50 AM dioz: they have the latest/greatest farm machinery
09:50 AM dioz: they have fancy trucks
09:51 AM dioz: when hutterites roll into town you know cause it's a convoy of about 5 to 10 f450's and a bunch of those e350 vans
09:51 AM BeachBumPete: all I know is I have had several 4x4 extra cab pickups and once I got a few vans I never wanted a pickup again.. no comparison in usefullness really...
09:51 AM Rab: I think they work hard, and 100% of the money gets folded back into the community.
09:54 AM Brigi: Morning Tom_L! Got my issue from yesterday resolved.
09:57 AM Tom_L: hmm. i slept... what was it?
09:57 AM Tom_L: i can say i don't like the feel sitting in a Toyota
09:57 AM dioz: why not?
09:57 AM Tom_L: just me but i think you sit too layed down in it
09:58 AM dioz: fair enough
09:58 AM Tom_L: at least the ones i was in
09:59 AM Tom_L: if i wanted a jacked up indy car, i'd buy one
09:59 AM dioz: so you'd go ford?
09:59 AM dioz: dodge?
09:59 AM Tom_L: oh god no
09:59 AM Brigi: Tom_L, I broke my solidworks install. Ended up using a .bat to clean up my registry so I could reinstall.
09:59 AM Tom_L: there's really not much out there that appeals to me right now
10:00 AM * dioz takes off his shirt
10:00 AM dioz: appealing?
10:00 AM Tom_L: Brigi, now i remember
10:00 AM Tom_L: glad you got it
10:00 AM Tom_L: dioz, don't go out in public ever that way
10:02 AM Tom_L: got the mrs an 18 equinox and it's ok for what it is
10:02 AM Tom_L: don't like the auto stop
10:03 AM Tom_L: hated the 17
10:03 AM Tom_L: i think they quit putting effort into car design
10:04 AM Tom_L: nothing personal andypugh :D
10:04 AM benjamin is now known as Guest81806
10:04 AM Guest81806: Hello :-)
10:04 AM Tom_L: benjamin, if you register that won't happen
10:05 AM Brigi: Guest81806, Ya, go to #freenode and they'll help you out.
10:06 AM Guest81806: ok
10:06 AM Tom_L: or just /chanserv help or /nickserv help
10:06 AM Brigi: Tom_L, I'm having a mating issue in SW, I mate a part, and the preview moves into the correct position, but then snaps to another position and mates there!
10:07 AM Tom_L: i've broken catia that way too
10:07 AM Tom_L: it must not be fully constrained then
10:08 AM Tom_L: or it somehow got mirrored and thinks that's ok
10:08 AM Guest81806: Could someone help me out, I am currently struggling while relocating nc_files folder to another path.
10:08 AM Tom_L: change the path in the ini
10:09 AM Tom_L: PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/
10:09 AM Tom_L: might do it
10:09 AM Guest81806: yes - tried already PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/cnc/linuxcnc/configs/my_mill/CUSTOM/ but my mcode files won't be recognized in linuxcnc
10:10 AM Tom_L: USER_M_PATH =
10:10 AM Tom_L: under [RS274NGC]
10:11 AM Tom_L: i think that's for NGCGUI
10:11 AM Guest81806: subroutine_path is defined in [RS274NGC]
10:11 AM Tom_L: caps?
10:11 AM Tom_L: no caps?
10:11 AM Tom_L: spelling?
10:11 AM Guest81806: user_m_path is for custom m_code scripts?
10:11 AM Tom_L: [FILTER]
10:11 AM Tom_L: PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .txt XYZ Post Processor
10:12 AM Guest81806: yes - forgot caps will typing in chat. sry
10:12 AM Tom_L: i also change the ngc extension
10:12 AM Tom_L: you'll find it in there somewhere
10:13 AM Guest81806: defined now unser [RS274NGC] USER_M_PATH = /home/cnc/linuxcnc/configs/my_mill/CUSTOM/
10:14 AM Guest81806: m-files actually don't have any name extension and are executable (already tried on terminal=
10:14 AM Guest81806: )
10:15 AM Guest81806: the files within subroutine_path do have an name extension ".ngc"
10:16 AM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html
10:16 AM Tom_L: it's in there somewhere
10:17 AM Tom_L: huh, didn't know that was there
10:24 AM Guest81806: works now.
10:25 AM Guest81806: thank you
10:26 AM Tom_L: np
10:27 AM Guest81806: Do you maybe use ethercat on your machine too?
10:33 AM Tom_L: no
10:35 AM JT-Shop: BeachBumPete: thanks
10:44 AM BeachBumPete: sure man
11:02 AM JT-Shop: ah a little test and engrave just follows the lines
11:29 AM IchGucksLive: hi from germany
11:30 AM fragalot: hi
11:33 AM jesseg: howdy IchGucksLive, fragalot
11:33 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: hi Radicarian
11:47 AM IchGucksLive: there are no 4Nm stepeprs now on ebay all sold out
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: 340 at omc and 270 at online-stepeprs within 2weeks
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: WHow in the Worldl is building so many mashines
11:52 AM fragalot: perhaps there is a different reason?
11:52 AM fragalot: manufacturer imploded, materials shortage?
11:52 AM fragalot: can you find them on alibaba?
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: im off
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: the age takes its toll
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: 6grand child on one day in forest playground is to mutch for a old man
12:35 PM miss0r: Fragalot: To get on my guest list for the soon comming party, you need to be a customer. All you need to do is hire me to come visit you'n do some stuff :]
12:35 PM fragalot: xD
12:35 PM miss0r: small price to pay for... pinbal machine access? :D
12:35 PM fragalot: you're fully booked though for the next 3 weeks
12:35 PM fragalot: I don't think I could wait that long
12:36 PM fragalot: you're welcome for a beer & a few rounds down range with airguns though?
12:36 PM miss0r: hehe, I'll see if I can fit it in. SHOULD I get a client in belgium, i'll be sure to pop by
12:39 PM miss0r: I just went in here to turn off the lights. See you around
12:39 PM fragalot: cya miss0r :-)
12:57 PM gloops: looking like the 5 star party will win in italy
01:00 PM gloops: it will be a disaster for germany/eu
01:01 PM andypugh: Why?
01:01 PM gloops: anti-eu - pledge to cut EU payments drastically, also anti-immigration
01:02 PM andypugh: Even Trump has failed to provoke a disaster, despite all the fear and foreboding. There are too many checks and balances in the systems.
01:02 PM gloops: germany will be fighting brexit and italy and trump - a war on 3 fronts
01:04 PM gloops: i wouldnt be surprised if the eu payed berlusconi to come back, he was once considered hard right, now hes the only moderate lol
01:06 PM fragalot: there always has been, and always will be, political protest against something.
01:08 PM gloops: well, without taking any sides, i think we could well be entering a period of big changes and unrest
01:09 PM fragalot: something will change, what that is, and what direction it takes is anyone's guess
01:21 PM gloops: cheap for that i think https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Biesse-Rover-27-CNC-Router/273092110301?
02:30 PM gloops: Emergency bottled water locations are being set up after a massive water shortage
02:30 PM gloops: lol, just had snow all week, now lashing it down with rain - water shortage, that should get the whingers going
02:32 PM Tom_L: :)
04:24 PM Deejay: gn8
04:34 PM andypugh: Apparently a lot of burst pipes.
04:34 PM Tom_L: any wood pipes left over there?
04:35 PM andypugh: Only in museums, as far as I know
04:36 PM andypugh: Most of the wood pipes ran above ground, and were in the way when they stopped being used.
04:36 PM DaViruz: in sweden we have a standing joke that the brits install water pipes on the outside of buildings to make them easier to repair when they freeze
04:36 PM DaViruz: is there any truth to it? :)
04:36 PM Tom_L: hah
04:37 PM JT-Shop: hmm this blood clotting stuff really works :)
04:40 PM andypugh: DaViruz: Drains tend to run outside a lot, but rarely feed pipes
04:49 PM rene-dev: they dont freeze, because the houses are so poorly insulated. thats what I have been told :D
04:50 PM BeachBumPete: jeez man this pocket is kickin' my azz LOL
04:51 PM andypugh: Outside drains are empty, or they are not working.
04:52 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete still??
04:52 PM BeachBumPete: well yeah but to be honest I kinda got sidetracked
04:53 PM andypugh: Pocket?
04:53 PM BeachBumPete: I know you are the guru and get things done lickey split but I tend to take a slower road ;)
04:53 PM Tom_L: i bet andy could help you, he uses f360
04:53 PM BeachBumPete: andypugh yeah I downloaded a nice electric guitar design from grabcad and have been working on verifying its dimensions and then camming it up in F360
04:53 PM andypugh: Ah, CAM problem?
04:55 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I TRIED to create new geometry around the perimeter to close the gaps but it does not seem to want me to be able to select each piece for the contour
04:55 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/W37Fdli.jpg
04:55 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/97BuhZM.jpg
04:56 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/GDRavOr.jpg
04:56 PM BeachBumPete: have wanted one of these Ibanez Jem's for awhile now but can't see myself thru to coughing up the 1.5k for one LOL so I figured I'd go ahead and build one.
04:58 PM andypugh: Yeah, that’s acting pretty wierd
04:58 PM andypugh: I think it might be those scoops
04:59 PM BeachBumPete: I need to be able to machine the second level of that pocket LEAVING the scoops below it
04:59 PM BeachBumPete: already got the upper level machined but now gotta figure out how to cut that area between the two ledges AND the ledges themselves
04:59 PM andypugh: I might be tempted to cut the scoop rear profile 0.1mm deep to make a tiny vertical edge and see if that helps
04:59 PM BeachBumPete: Its for a Floyd Rose Tremolo setup
05:03 PM BeachBumPete: not sure I follow you here.. from my view of it you would have to cut the area that does not include the flutes first then you can come back and cut the flutes with a 3d motion hopefully...
05:04 PM Tom_L: how many steps are there?
05:04 PM Tom_L: 3?
05:05 PM Tom_L: and the scoops blend into the 2nd tier?
05:05 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I think.. upper step with the two holes, second step with the two ledges and the area between ABOVE the flutes, then finally the 3d flute
05:06 PM BeachBumPete: then of course the thru pocketing
05:06 PM andypugh: BeachBumPete: I am talking abput making an edge that the CAM can “see” but that is too small to be seen in the real part.
05:06 PM Tom_L: looks like there's some on the bottom side of that pocket too
05:06 PM andypugh: (I sometimes end up doing that sort of thing to make fillets work in CAD)
05:09 PM BeachBumPete: as I said before I went back to the model and drew a line connecting the two ledges closer to the vertical part of the flutes so that I can select it in CAM but It does not seem to want to select all the way around and then I tried it a different way and it kept wanting to select the entire floor area of the larger ledge... I tried to edit that co
05:09 PM BeachBumPete: ntour but it also did not cooperate... frustrating.
05:10 PM BeachBumPete: Looking forward to trying this out on my VMC with that stout router mount plate I made awhile back.
05:10 PM Tom_L: do you have the grabcad link?
05:10 PM BeachBumPete: I plan to order the neck and everything else
05:10 PM BeachBumPete: sure hang on...
05:11 PM BeachBumPete: https://grabcad.com/library/ibanez-jem777-1
05:11 PM Tom_L: crap i wasn't quick enough
05:13 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDZuNM3HmU4 Here's the man himself making good use of the guitar that he helped design:)
05:14 PM Tom_L: and it sounds the same with you behind it??
05:14 PM BeachBumPete: why hell no
05:14 PM BeachBumPete: I WISH
05:14 PM Tom_L: haha
05:15 PM BeachBumPete: but it sure will look cool next to my acoustic electric in my bedroom ;)
05:18 PM Tom_L: mmm which is the body? this brought in the whole damn thing
05:18 PM BeachBumPete: its called ibanez body or something like that
05:19 PM Tom_L: damn just had a quake go thru here
05:19 PM BeachBumPete: actually it is body-ibanez
05:20 PM BeachBumPete: wow really?
05:20 PM Tom_L: yeah just sittin here and the house shook
05:21 PM BeachBumPete: sure you didn't just fart?
05:22 PM BeachBumPete: I only felt that once in socal when I was a kid. it was very subtle but the damn house shook and you could see the glasses of soda on the table sloshing around a bit.
05:22 PM Tom_L: what's UTC time right now?
05:22 PM BeachBumPete: UFC?
05:22 PM BeachBumPete: LOL
05:23 PM Tom_L: takes a bit for the web to update it
05:23 PM BeachBumPete: update what?
05:23 PM Tom_L: their quake map
05:26 PM Tom_L: you can't extend that 2nd floor across and fill that in with some geometry then cut the whole flute last?
05:27 PM BeachBumPete: that is what I TRIED to do. I drew a line across and wanted to select that line along with the bottom edge perimeter of that level of the pocket. did not seem to work
05:27 PM Tom_L: create the whole perimeter as a new sketch then do it
05:28 PM Tom_L: that pocket perimeter
05:28 PM BeachBumPete: hmm
05:28 PM Tom_L: then come back and cut the flutes last
05:29 PM Tom_L: the flats of the flutes look like they're the same level as the pocket
05:30 PM Tom_L: nevermind that, was looking at it wrong
05:30 PM BeachBumPete: I think they are at or below it
05:30 PM Tom_L: they're not flat just ridges from the radius
05:30 PM BeachBumPete: yeah
05:31 PM BeachBumPete: its a really cool design tho no? I like it.
05:31 PM Tom_L: yeah
05:31 PM BeachBumPete: I was thinking of adding some subtle changes to make it sorta my own
05:31 PM Tom_L: can you pick the bottom edges and make a sketch from them?
05:31 PM Tom_L: then add in that line
05:31 PM BeachBumPete: that is what I was trying right now
05:32 PM Tom_L: I TOLD YOU!! 4.2 in Oklahoma
05:33 PM Tom_L: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#%7B%22autoUpdate%22%3A%5B%22autoUpdate%22%5D%2C%22basemap%22%3A%22grayscale%22%2C%22feed%22%3A%221day_m25%22%2C%22listFormat%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A%5B%5B30.65681556429287%2C-107.20458984375%5D%2C%5B41.68932225997044%2C-89.7802734375%5D%5D%2C%22overlays%22%3A%5B%22plates%22%5D%2C%22restrictListToMap%22%3A%5B%22restrictListToMap%22%5D%2C%22search%22%3Anull%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%2
05:33 PM Tom_L: woops
05:33 PM BeachBumPete: damn
05:34 PM SpeedEvil: that's smaller than last months one in the UK
05:35 PM Tom_L: it travels far because the ground is hard packed
05:42 PM MrHindsight: OKLAHOMA!!
05:52 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, i was able to make a sketch of that pocket in catia
05:52 PM Tom_L: just draw it rough and make all the lines coincident to the pocket
05:53 PM BeachBumPete: ok been trying to do that F360 reacts funny for some reason.
05:54 PM Tom_L: shouldn't even need any special planes, it's on the XY plane
05:55 PM Tom_L: well the top of it is anyway
05:58 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I positioned the model under the Z0
05:58 PM BeachBumPete: it was kind in space when I opened the model
05:58 PM Tom_L: i just used what they had
06:05 PM enleth: sync: you were close with EDTA being in EvapoRust - actually it's ammonia salt phosphonate, but the mechanism is mostly the same
06:06 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Gee_Tar.JPG
06:06 PM Tom_L: if i could save just that to dxf i'd send it but i dunno if i can
06:07 PM BeachBumPete: yeah that is exactly what I want to do but I need to do it in F360 LOL
06:07 PM sync: enleth: how did you find out?
06:07 PM Tom_L: can't help ya there
06:08 PM enleth: sync: someone googled up a detailed MSDS sheet from 2003 that kinda looks like it wasn't supposed to be published in the open
06:08 PM sync: ah
06:08 PM sync: I tried that but did not find it
06:09 PM sync: but yeah, it had to be a chelating agent
06:09 PM sync: but yeah phosphonates are similar to edta
06:10 PM enleth: it's ammonia salt phosphonate, some kind of sulfur-based surfactant and water
06:12 PM sync: ah, this gives it its color
06:12 PM sync: interesting
06:12 PM sync: oh, used in cutting oils
06:15 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, can you insert a solid in that?
06:15 PM Tom_L: i can send a solid of that pocket
06:17 PM enleth: sync: so I guess the price is in the details - ratios and quality of the phosphonate - as far as I understand, the production process results in a bunch of different, similar compounds
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: naah I am honestly stumped... drawing a sketch and trying to select the existing lines it seems to accept them on the different levels so it appears to be working in the sketch but once you exit the sketch you see it did not
06:18 PM Tom_L: you could drop this in at x0 y0 and probably use it
06:19 PM Tom_L: you can't draw on the XY plane and then make the lines coincident to the outline?
06:22 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Gee_Tar2.JPG
06:22 PM sync: enleth: likely, but I don't think so
06:22 PM sync: I guess EDTA + surfactant would work fine
06:22 PM BeachBumPete: surely there is a way to delineate that pocket without going to extremes...
06:23 PM Tom_L: heh you would think so
06:23 PM Tom_L: can you merge files ?
06:23 PM Tom_L: save it as something else and give it a try
06:26 PM Tom_L: sw brought just the pocket in just fine
06:26 PM BeachBumPete: jeez
06:37 PM enleth: sync: I'll try EDTA when the evaporust I have gets used up - which isn't going to be anytime soon
06:37 PM enleth: it will probably go bad from biodegradation before it's depleted from rust
06:38 PM sync: yeah probably
06:38 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, don't make me download F360... :D
06:38 PM Tom_L: i hear it's kinda backwards anyway
06:40 PM BeachBumPete: honestly while it is not perfect I actually like it pretty good so far. The commands are just different. It does a lot of things automatically that are nice... Dont dl it just for me tho ;)
06:40 PM Tom_L: i'm not
06:40 PM Tom_L: not yet anyway
06:41 PM Tom_L: i've been tempted to try it though, seems like a decent free solution for cad cam for linuxcnc community
06:42 PM BeachBumPete: I wish they had come out with it a long time ago I would be using it for most of my stuff. really struggled with several different packages trying to find something I can live with.
06:42 PM enleth: let's hope it sparks the development of open tools that can at least try to match it in UI/UX and features
06:44 PM enleth: most open CAD/CAM software is about as pleasant to use as having an enema done with a cactus wrapped in barbed wire
06:44 PM BeachBumPete: exactly
06:45 PM skunkworks: I know it has been a productive day when I find solder in my beard...
06:45 PM Tom_L: hah
06:45 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, you'll have to get part of that pocket from the bottomside though
06:45 PM Tom_L: i stopped short of the tops of the flutes
06:46 PM Tom_L: it was something like .472" pocket
06:46 PM Tom_L: that way it won't cut into the flutes
06:46 PM BeachBumPete: the pocket is a thru pocket there is another multi step pocket on the back side.
06:47 PM Tom_L: i know but what i'm saying is get the rest of it from the bottom
06:47 PM Tom_L: where it extends over the flutes would leave a cutout if you went to the bottom of the actual pocket
06:48 PM Tom_L: i closed it or i'd take a snapshot of what i'm talking about
06:48 PM BeachBumPete: well not sure because the flute area is its own operation and as I said before I believe it is below the current pocket I am trying to program for.
06:49 PM Tom_L: if you're making the same sketch as i did, it isn't
06:50 PM Tom_L: to the bottom of the flutes might be
06:52 PM Tom_L: look at the front edge where the hole pocket it. it extends below that pocket a little
06:58 PM Tom_L: they're .039" deep
06:59 PM Tom_L: well the actual flutes are .133" deep
06:59 PM Tom_L: below that pocket surface
06:59 PM Tom_L: the .039" is the front edge
07:01 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Gee_Tar5.JPG
07:01 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Gee_Tar4.JPG
07:01 PM Tom_L: the last one is looking from the bottom up and that lip on the right is .039"
07:04 PM Roguish: hey all. what would you choose: a router motor like a dewalt or porter-cable, or a chinese spindle motor with a vfd (all of similar size and power)
07:07 PM Tom_L: you want high rpm?
07:07 PM Tom_L: is the spindle water cooled?
07:08 PM andypugh: The Chinese spindles are much quieter. And also brushless (being induction motors) so should last longer.
07:08 PM andypugh: They also should have bigger bearings.
07:08 PM andypugh: Put it this way, do they mount routers on industrial CNC routers, or use spindles?
07:09 PM BeachBumPete: hm
07:09 PM BeachBumPete: trying to watch F360 vids to learn optional means of programming that entire pocket
07:09 PM Tom_L: i can kinda see why it's complaining
07:20 PM andypugh: BeachBumPete: paste.ubuntu.com/p/KXxf4hnZwk/
07:20 PM andypugh: Is that what you want?
07:20 PM Tom_L: who?
07:21 PM andypugh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KXxf4hnZwk/
07:21 PM andypugh: Bear with me, wrong URL
07:22 PM andypugh: This is the guitar CAM https://photos.app.goo.gl/y6sH5kgIe5KLeKfo1
07:22 PM Tom_L: nice
07:22 PM BeachBumPete: HOLY
07:22 PM Tom_L: hah
07:22 PM BeachBumPete: HOW??
07:22 PM andypugh: Two clicks :-)
07:22 PM BeachBumPete: BASTARD!!
07:22 PM Tom_L: make him guess which 2
07:22 PM andypugh: 3D adaptive clearing
07:23 PM BeachBumPete: I have been trying the 2d adaptive clearing
07:23 PM BeachBumPete: what tools did you use?
07:23 PM andypugh: Then select the outer profile as a machining boundary, and select “inside”
07:23 PM BeachBumPete: how do you select inside?
07:23 PM Tom_L: the flutes would be nicer cut the other direction though
07:23 PM andypugh: That’s with a 1/4” flat bit.
07:23 PM BeachBumPete: ?
07:23 PM Tom_L: or are they just roughed out
07:24 PM Tom_L: yeah you'd have to clean the flutes out with a ballnose
07:25 PM Tom_L: andypugh does it remember what it's already cut?
07:26 PM BeachBumPete: jeez that actually worked
07:26 PM BeachBumPete: andypugh you da man....man
07:26 PM BeachBumPete: I wonder if I used a 3/8 BE how it would work.
07:27 PM Tom_L: you'd have corner radiuses all over
07:27 PM Tom_L: you want the main pocket to be flat bottom
07:27 PM BeachBumPete: sure but I gotta get the flutes somehow
07:27 PM Tom_L: it's a trade off either way you go
07:28 PM Tom_L: do this the first pass, do the flutes the other direction with a ballnose
07:28 PM Tom_L: they should clean up easier that way
07:28 PM andypugh: Yes, you should be able to start with a square tool then repeat the exact same operation with a ball-end and select “Rest machining” to only take out what the square tool missed
07:28 PM Tom_L: there you go BeachBumPete
07:29 PM Tom_L: can you specify directional cut?
07:29 PM andypugh: Yes, you get to select climb or conventional in the tool setup.
07:29 PM Tom_L: i mean to follow the flute line
07:30 PM Tom_L: i think the cust height would be easier to blend / sand out that way
07:30 PM Tom_L: cusp*
07:31 PM BeachBumPete: well for me it only machined the first level of that pocket for some reason
07:31 PM BeachBumPete: just ran the sim
07:32 PM andypugh: You might need to tweak “multiple depths” and the various layer heights.
07:33 PM * Tom_L promoted andypugh to the official F360 guru
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: how long does your setup take to compute that toolpath?
07:36 PM andypugh: … About that long
07:36 PM andypugh: 30 seconds or so
07:37 PM andypugh: Much faste than PyCAM :-)
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: ok I thought my shit was just slow ;)
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: damn that is effective
07:38 PM andypugh: Anyway time for bed. But I ran the sim and it cut all the way to the bottom of the body for me (lots of holder-clash red, as I only had a 1/2” long tool)
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: sim went well except for the impacting of the toolholder on the stock LOL
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: hehe me too
07:39 PM andypugh: Yeah, Fusion360 really is hard to beat for CAM. Especially at the price.
07:39 PM andypugh: Night all
07:39 PM BeachBumPete: hehe THANK YOU SIR
07:39 PM BeachBumPete: and good night
07:41 PM Tom_L: now you're making me want to try it...
07:41 PM Tom_L: damn you!
07:42 PM BeachBumPete: LOL sorry man...it is quite good .....when you know what the hell you are doing
07:56 PM BeachBumPete: interesting there is a task manager built into F360 if you program something that locks things up you can just open that and close the process,,,,
07:58 PM Tom_L: does it have a post for linuxcnc?
07:59 PM BeachBumPete: yup
07:59 PM BeachBumPete: and it actually works quite well so far
07:59 PM Tom_L: included tapping?
07:59 PM Tom_L: i added rigid tapping to mine
07:59 PM BeachBumPete: yes but I have not physically tested it
08:00 PM Tom_L: my spindle is too small to do it now anyway, but someday..
08:00 PM Tom_L: it complained about the steel so i'll probably limit it to aluminum
08:01 PM BeachBumPete: sure
08:01 PM gregcnc: Tom steel didnt' go well?
08:02 PM Tom_L: do you get it as a 30 day trial?
08:02 PM BeachBumPete: no
08:02 PM Tom_L: gregcnc it did ~ok~
08:02 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Strap_clamp.jpg
08:03 PM Tom_L: i was using carbide on that and i don't think the head is sturdy enough for that
08:03 PM Tom_L: it broke at the collet
08:03 PM Tom_L: so i stuffed it back in and finished another few parts
08:03 PM Tom_L: then tried a larger HSS cutter and it worked
08:03 PM Tom_L: but the finish wasn't as good
08:04 PM gregcnc: there was enoguh shank left to still use? it was stick out too far
08:04 PM Tom_L: i'll get a hss cutter the size of the carbide and try it once
08:04 PM Tom_L: wasn't that long to begin with
08:04 PM Tom_L: 1/8" cutter
08:04 PM Tom_L: i didn't have a hss that size
08:04 PM gregcnc: doc woc
08:05 PM Tom_L: iirc doc was .5 maybe
08:05 PM Tom_L: and i chucked it just above that
08:05 PM gregcnc: oh that's a lot for a 1/8" tool
08:05 PM Tom_L: several passes
08:05 PM Tom_L: 4 iirc
08:06 PM Tom_L: .300 thickness
08:06 PM Tom_L: so i can't really complain
08:06 PM Tom_L: plunged into a predrilled hole so it wouldn't have to ramp
08:07 PM gregcnc: you have to be careful with slotting or high engagement feeds feeds
08:07 PM Tom_L: i know
08:08 PM Tom_L: i figured i was a good test for it
08:08 PM gregcnc: did it chatter?
08:08 PM Tom_L: not that much but i could tell it was pushing it pretty good
08:09 PM gregcnc: you'll get a feel for what the machine is capable of
08:09 PM Tom_L: i know, that's why i did it
08:09 PM Tom_L: .0625 doc full width
08:10 PM Tom_L: it does good on aluminum
08:10 PM Tom_L: spindle motor is the limit there
08:10 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, does yours have a 3 yr license?
08:11 PM gregcnc: the cut calculators suggest low PRM for slotting and it seems to make a difference
08:11 PM Tom_L: 1500 iirc at maybe 1.75ipm
08:11 PM Tom_L: maybe could have gone a bit lower rpm
08:11 PM Tom_L: but that was .0005 ipt or thereabouts
08:12 PM Tom_L: i didn't have any 4 flute hss so i ended up finishing with a 2 flute
08:12 PM Tom_L: so i can't really compare those
08:13 PM BeachBumPete: dunno
08:14 PM Tom_L: ahh i see how they do it now
08:17 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete what formats can you import to it?
08:18 PM BeachBumPete: most I have tried so far but ya gotta do it a certain way with step and SW files
08:19 PM Tom_L: wants a password but never aske me to create one...
08:23 PM Tom_L: crashed on setup... not a good sign
08:23 PM Tom_L: twice
08:23 PM BeachBumPete: had similar issues
08:24 PM Tom_L: wonder if you can set it up to use catia mouse gestures
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: there are several control options
08:27 PM Tom_L: do you draw and enter dimensions later?
08:27 PM Tom_L: or set them as you go
08:27 PM BeachBumPete: either
08:27 PM Tom_L: more like sw then
08:28 PM Tom_L: does it use circle or hole for a hole or either?
08:29 PM Tom_L: catia will do either but preferred is a hole
08:30 PM Tom_L: where are your constraints?
08:35 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/F5bjyei.jpg
08:36 PM Tom_L: nice
08:37 PM BeachBumPete: it took FOREVER for it to generate that ball endmill toolpath tho not sure what setting was bad really
08:37 PM Tom_L: where's the pocket tool?
08:37 PM Tom_L: i found extrude
08:37 PM BeachBumPete: you kinda extrude negative I think
08:38 PM Tom_L: heh, ok...
08:40 PM Tom_L: do you have to create your own tool list or does it come with one?
08:41 PM BeachBumPete: there is a sample tool library that you can edit or you can add tools individually
08:41 PM Tom_L: what's the tool part under? the cam part
08:41 PM BeachBumPete: yeah cam module
08:42 PM BeachBumPete: you can just download that guitar body and play with it in there to get a feel for the CAM if you want ;)
08:42 PM Tom_L: 2d only?
08:42 PM BeachBumPete: no its fully 3d
08:42 PM Tom_L: i got a pocket drawn already
08:42 PM BeachBumPete: even has lathe module apparently
08:43 PM Tom_L: damn, it doesn't have sherline as a tool holder :D
08:44 PM BeachBumPete: whats a sherline :)
08:44 PM Tom_L: so i set it all up in inch and it's giving me metric tools
08:47 PM BeachBumPete: huh
08:48 PM Tom_L: where's the settings at?
08:48 PM BeachBumPete: for what?
08:48 PM BeachBumPete: preferences are under your name top right corner drop down menu
08:52 PM Tom_L: you gotta set the cam up separate apparently
08:52 PM Tom_L: units: fathoms
08:52 PM BeachBumPete: no when you open it you setup a configuration that seems to save
08:53 PM Tom_L: never showed me that
08:53 PM BeachBumPete: you click on setup
08:54 PM Tom_L: still shows metric tools
08:56 PM BeachBumPete: where
08:56 PM Tom_L: in the tool list
08:57 PM BeachBumPete: under what heading
08:57 PM Tom_L: i restarted it..
08:57 PM Tom_L: hang on
08:59 PM Tom_L: now it's inch i think. just had to restart it
08:59 PM BeachBumPete: ah ok
09:05 PM BeachBumPete: shit it looks like the outside edge around the top horn the sketch is not right so there is a funky step there.
09:06 PM jdh: funky
09:06 PM Tom_L: do you select the floor of a pocket to machine or what?
09:07 PM BeachBumPete: depends
09:07 PM BeachBumPete: for these pocketing operations I usually select the line at the edge of the pocket bottom
09:10 PM Tom_L: ok i've got a 1/4" slot cutting with a 1.8" cutter and i select the bottom profile outline and it says the tool doesn't support this operation
09:10 PM BeachBumPete: makes sense
09:10 PM Tom_L: why?
09:11 PM BeachBumPete: 1.8" cutter dont fit
09:11 PM Tom_L: 1/8" cutter will fit a 1/4" slot
09:11 PM Tom_L: typo
09:11 PM BeachBumPete: hehe
09:11 PM BeachBumPete: what kind of op is it
09:11 PM Tom_L: 2d profile
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: try slot op or pocket
09:20 PM Tom_L: where do you simulate it?
09:20 PM Tom_L: nm..
09:20 PM BeachBumPete: select the op in the browser, right click it and sim
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: well Ive had enough for one weekend LOL
09:21 PM Tom_L: that's 2 of us
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: still got a bunch of ops to do on this
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: but its at least getting there
09:21 PM Tom_L: got a pocket cut out at least
09:21 PM Tom_L: and simulated
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: gonna have to grab some material and get it glued up and planed anyways before I can even attempt this thing
09:22 PM Tom_L: what post do you select?
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: yeah it is quite user friendly I think but I still gotta get used to all the commands
09:22 PM Tom_L: i see.. linuxcnc
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: I dont remember but its linuxCNC
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: I think
09:22 PM Tom_L: found it
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: Well goodnight my friend. Good luck with it.
09:23 PM Tom_L: just playing
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: heh have fun
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: Gn8
09:23 PM Tom_L: that's alot of code for one little pociet
09:23 PM Tom_L: pocket*
09:24 PM Tom_L: 90% was the leadin.. i didn't specify one
09:24 PM Tom_L: ok, it might be doable :D
09:25 PM BeachBumPete: hehe
09:25 PM Tom_L: download, install, draw, machine, post all before bedtime
09:26 PM BeachBumPete: not too shabby
09:26 PM Tom_L: it did a helix for the leadin is why the gcode was so long
09:26 PM Tom_L: i'll figure it out
09:26 PM Tom_L: seems doable enough
09:26 PM Tom_L: i'd still like to play with mastecam
09:26 PM Tom_L: mastercam*
09:27 PM Tom_L: my kid has the latest version.. he's taking a class
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: nice...
09:27 PM Tom_L: dunno about any post for it though
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: gotta go man past my bedtime work comes early now.
09:27 PM Tom_L: can you edit this post?
09:27 PM Tom_L: you must be gettin old man..
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: LOL
09:31 PM Tom_L: wonder what's the difference between emc.cps and linuxcnc.cps
09:42 PM Tom_L: another quake
11:30 PM TurBoss: hello
11:30 PM miss0r: mornin'
11:30 PM TurBoss: what can I use to keep a bit in hal ? flipflop?
11:30 PM TurBoss: o/
11:40 PM miss0r: excellent question, I haven't setup linuxcnc in years :]
11:52 PM TurBoss: I'm trying to use toggle :P