#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 03 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:55 AM fragalot: hi
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: morning
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: we ware isolated from last night
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: no way in or out
12:58 AM fragalot: :/
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: power off since 5pm yesterday and i guess the whole next week
12:58 AM XXCoder: so youre telepathically commucating with us?
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: via generator
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: and radio communication to the next town
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: ice rain for about 25mi
12:58 AM XXCoder: better 7 days than 128 days like at pubeto rico area
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: heathmanc: how is it up in the UK
12:59 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: if it only one or 2 trees on the line if it is one i will be up today
12:59 AM XXCoder: cool
12:59 AM jesseg: hey guys, especially fragalot, I got a video of my bro's project. His user interface runs in Linux (shown in the video) then that sends gcodes to tinyg running bare metal on an x86 single board computer which sends position commands to his own PID motor control code on another single board computer running bare hardware with a pluto hahahahaha https://videoflier.com/movies/1520058715060165967297
01:00 AM IchGucksLive: "i "got treee cut permicion
01:01 AM IchGucksLive: im off house is full of people stranded at campyard
01:01 AM IchGucksLive: will bring them up to town BYE
02:12 AM Deejay: moin
02:41 AM gloops: Siemens to build train factory in Yorkshire with 700 new jobs in powerful backing for Brexit Britain
02:41 AM gloops: not much point when our own stupid goverment gives rail contracts to spain!
02:47 AM XXCoder: LOL!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFeek0a8s7Q
03:16 AM heathman_: This weather is for the birds. Complete junk.
03:16 AM XXCoder: donsaurs is tough and stil around now
03:38 AM XXCoder: clickspring video!
03:39 AM fragalot: new new, or yesterday new?
03:39 AM XXCoder: infinitely new. yeserdau lol
03:39 AM fragalot: :P
03:39 AM fragalot: I did like his spade drill bits
03:40 AM XXCoder: just finally have time to watch
03:43 AM XXCoder: his casting is different from fordboys
03:43 AM fragalot: more convoluted
03:44 AM fragalot: but you can't argue with the results of either :-)
03:44 AM XXCoder: yeah
03:44 AM XXCoder: some similiarities
03:45 AM fragalot: like them both using sand?
03:45 AM XXCoder: and using molds with screwholes for easy removal
03:45 AM XXCoder: using blowers and powder
03:45 AM fragalot: :P
03:45 AM XXCoder: whats different is fordboy using prepped tin can for pour holes
03:45 AM XXCoder: clickspring uses pour pit
03:49 AM XXCoder: clickspring is definitely far more precise like you said
03:49 AM XXCoder: both have very similiar skills, both used everything from filing to lathe and mill usage
03:51 AM XXCoder: clickspring is much more of toolmaker than thefordboy ever is
03:51 AM fragalot: that's because myfordboy isn't a toolmaker, but a model machinist :P
03:52 AM XXCoder: yeah
03:52 AM fragalot: clickspring is a clock maker; and in that trait it's very common to make your own custom tools
03:52 AM fragalot: especially if you go into historical clock making
03:52 AM XXCoder: makes sense
03:53 AM XXCoder: his tools is as fine as clock parts
03:54 AM fragalot: yeah he "finishes" everything
03:54 AM fragalot: totally incompatible with my personality of just getting it done xD
03:54 AM XXCoder: :)
03:57 AM XXCoder: love how he explores possible tools along with working on mechimisn
03:57 AM XXCoder: mechicism
03:57 AM fragalot: yeah it's great
03:58 AM XXCoder: did you know someone made a working one out of lego?
03:58 AM fragalot: I don't see why that would not be possible
03:59 AM fragalot: it's just a bunch of gears after all, so if lego has the right combinations available...
03:59 AM XXCoder: there was also lego version of computer that was never built in 1800s
03:59 AM XXCoder: forgot name.
03:59 AM XXCoder: anyaylis machine?
03:59 AM XXCoder: or was that earlier version
04:00 AM fragalot: dno
04:03 AM gloops: ttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/18L-Ash-Vacuum-Cleaner-Woodburner-Fireplace-Barbecue-Vac-Grill-Collector-BBQ/391689069624? yeah/nay?
04:03 AM fragalot: they're alright.. it's just a vacuum cleaner with a metal bin
04:04 AM gloops: youtube vid showing one similar = quite noisy
04:04 AM fragalot: you can also get separator bins for your normal vac
04:04 AM gloops: dont suppose that matters when cutter is running
04:05 AM fragalot: oh you mean for your cnc
04:05 AM XXCoder: huh
04:05 AM gloops: yes
04:05 AM fragalot: any vacuum with a thien baffle separator will work
04:06 AM gloops: hard to find anything that cheap - 25 quid
04:06 AM fragalot: http://www.jpthien.com/cy.htm <- thien baffle separator
04:06 AM gloops: been waiting for a used dust extractor local but not forthcoming yet
04:06 AM fragalot: i've got mine built on top of one of those food drums, and i have a second one that's made out of a bucket & large dustbin
04:07 AM gloops: yes something like that would be ok
04:07 AM fragalot: haven't had to clear out the vacuums that run it in about 3 years now
04:07 AM XXCoder: aww now to wait few weeks for next clickspring
04:07 AM gloops: dust extractors are induction motors though? like pretty silent
04:07 AM fragalot: gloops: the ash vacuum is only 800W though
04:07 AM gloops: domestic vac is noisy
04:08 AM fragalot: large dust extractors are pretty loud still
04:08 AM XXCoder: spades is very interesting. I wonder if ti should become more common again since its so easy to resharp
04:08 AM fragalot: the motor isn't loud, but the large fan is
04:08 AM gloops: hmm yeah
04:08 AM fragalot: XXCoder: it's no easier to resharpen than twist drills
04:08 AM fragalot: it's the exact same grind :P
04:08 AM gloops: ive had hoovers on my router table, worked fine so far as collection goes
04:09 AM XXCoder: clickspring said its literally seconds of resharp on stone?
04:09 AM XXCoder: isnt drill flutes need resharping along with tip?
04:09 AM fragalot: no!
04:09 AM fragalot: you can't sharpen the flutes, that would change it's size
04:10 AM fragalot: you just grind down the tip
04:10 AM XXCoder: using some form of grinder wheel "lathe"?
04:10 AM fragalot: the flutes don't cut, they don't have to be sharp
04:11 AM XXCoder: work has one of those, and I used it to make a carbide scribe point out of dead 1/16 ball em
04:11 AM fragalot: you just grind the tip, either freehand on a stone like clickspring did, or on a bench grinder, or on a specialized cutter grinder
04:11 AM XXCoder: didnt quite succed, want to try later
04:11 AM gloops: spade bit for metal drilling?
04:11 AM fragalot: gloops: yup
04:12 AM gloops: i dont like spade bits for wood
04:12 AM XXCoder: clickspring used mild steel, hardened it, then straw color heated tip then grinded it into spade drill
04:12 AM fragalot: gloops: it's not that kind of spade bit
04:12 AM fragalot: gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1aj_3tlQhU
04:12 AM fragalot: gloops: enjoy.
04:12 AM XXCoder: then cut various stuff from ancient stuff like brass, then umm some steel form? fragalot what metal did he cut at end?
04:13 AM fragalot: XXCoder: mild steel
04:13 AM XXCoder: thanks
04:13 AM gloops: auger bits are great, one edge slicing the circumference, one edge planing out the centre, screw point to pull into the wood
04:13 AM gloops: spades just wander around and chavvle everything up
04:13 AM XXCoder: and also expensive and long
04:14 AM fragalot: you can get stubby auger bits
04:14 AM fragalot: they work great if you aren't worried about the screw worm hole
04:14 AM fragalot: if you are, forstner.
04:14 AM XXCoder: cool
04:15 AM XXCoder: we urecently used spade one a lot
04:15 AM XXCoder: holes for ethernet cabling
04:15 AM fragalot: I only use a spade bit if it's an odd size I need only once
04:15 AM fragalot: because they're so incredibly cheap
04:15 AM gloops: well i better think of looking at this wiring box again
04:15 AM XXCoder: cheap yeah
04:16 AM XXCoder: we was dumb enough to use it for drilling hole downwards inside wall for wire.
04:16 AM gloops: the worst thing of doing a project in spare time - leaving off , forgetting where you were, going back and getting your head back to it
04:16 AM XXCoder: we bought more regular drill after managing to free it after a week of rocking
04:16 AM fragalot: lol
04:17 AM XXCoder: never use spade for inside wall, it could get stuck on side of unexpected wood
04:17 AM fragalot: walls are typically stone here, so we wouldn't use a spade bit anyway
04:18 AM XXCoder: adding ethernet networking to 1946 house whoo
04:18 AM XXCoder: you ever seen video I made of wall mural?
04:18 AM fragalot: yup
04:19 AM XXCoder: pretty amazing.still sad its covered now
04:20 AM gloops: did you know the artists name XXCoder?
04:20 AM XXCoder: nope
04:20 AM XXCoder: 99.9% chance its not famous
04:20 AM gloops: never know could have been someone famous - those paintings looked like they were done by a skilled artist
04:22 AM gloops: theres a bloke round here who did a lost of stuff like that when he started, just cash jobs to keep him alive, wouldnt be a cheap job now to hire him to paint walls
04:23 AM XXCoder: sadly it was literally falling apart
04:23 AM XXCoder: mosture was holding it together
04:23 AM fragalot: structural mold
04:24 AM XXCoder: well it looks very different now
04:25 AM XXCoder: theres thick blue cabling at one side, getting thinner as it offshoots 2 cables per box
04:25 AM XXCoder: and walls are painted with sealant then covered with pink itchy stuff
04:27 AM gloops: be a lot warmer, and more efficient on the heating bill maybe
04:28 AM XXCoder: and also cooler
04:28 AM XXCoder: keeping heat out
04:28 AM gloops: yeah - rarely a problem here lol
04:28 AM fragalot: summers have been getting quite toasty here lately
04:29 AM fragalot: last summer went up to 42°C
04:29 AM fragalot: and /HUMID/
04:29 AM XXCoder: frag dunno because north pole is 45f warmer than normal for this point of year
04:29 AM gloops: always get the odd heatwave
04:29 AM XXCoder: normal would be -10f but it was 35f or so
04:29 AM fragalot: gloops: yup
04:30 AM XXCoder: it beat old record by over 20f something?
04:32 AM jthornton: morning
04:32 AM XXCoder: hey
04:43 AM gloops: something else ive noticed pottering around, the top slide of my lathe is cracked underneath...and been repaired with studs a long time ago
04:44 AM fragalot: sounds like mine
04:44 AM gloops: never noticed that before, strange
04:44 AM fragalot: my compound cracked & is bolted back together too
04:44 AM gloops: does it work ok?
04:44 AM fragalot: that's why it lives in a drawer and I repalced it with a solid block of tool steel
04:45 AM fragalot: it still works, but it's very chattery as you'd expect
04:45 AM gloops: yeah ill look at getting a replacement for this, not sure if other lathes share the same sizes, doubt it for top slide
04:45 AM gloops: yes occasionally i have trouble getting a tool to sit tight - this explains it now
04:46 AM gloops: i wont find an original part for this anywhere, the cross slide does have standard slots though
04:47 AM gloops: could get it welded maybe
04:48 AM fragalot: welding would warp it
04:48 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZkhuhjPp7Q nice
04:48 AM gloops: if its only welded from the underside it should pull it back dowwards
04:49 AM gloops: it has got gibs, might be worth a go, although casting will probably just crack somewhere else then
04:50 AM fragalot: gloops: any warping would make it so you need to re-grind / scrape all mating surfaces
04:51 AM gloops: well, its already out of kilter, the crack is still slightly open with studs tapped through it
04:52 AM gloops: funny it hasnt snapped in half, i use an 18 inch spanner on the toolpost
04:53 AM XXCoder: hmm whats that thing called, where tool dont move but vibrates and cuts though and makes shape
04:54 AM XXCoder: broaching?
04:55 AM fragalot: XXCoder: rotary broach
04:55 AM XXCoder: ahh yeah
04:56 AM XXCoder: broaching works well enough because thats what he acciently did lol
05:03 AM jthornton: I need to router a harley emblem with my mill what software can make the g code?
05:06 AM gloops: not sure if f-engrave can import stls, fusion can, then i suppose its how much do you want to spend
05:06 AM jthornton: $0
05:06 AM gloops: what file formet have you got?
05:07 AM jthornton: dxf, dwg, igs
05:08 AM gloops: i have got a trial copy of something that appears to continue working with a slight mod, i mean, i wouldnt want to do anything unethical etc
05:09 AM jthornton: a buddy is building a coffin trailer for his bike and wants the logo on the front
05:10 AM jthornton: hmm first egg this morning is almost a large at 56g
05:12 AM gloops: not used DCC on hexchat, hmm
05:12 AM jthornton: what is DCC?
05:12 AM gloops: file transfer
05:13 AM jthornton: I have OneCNC I guess I can just use that
05:13 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N576jfhTY0g
05:13 AM jthornton: watching that video and it does the outline of the letter first
05:18 AM gloops: should be ok for something like, i thought i had f-engrave installed but not seeing it
05:18 AM gloops: sure that can import 3d models
05:18 AM fragalot: jthornton: for one-off, fusion360? :P
05:18 AM fragalot: i'm off, ttyl
05:19 AM jthornton: I'll see what One
05:19 AM jthornton: CNC can do today\
05:55 AM jthornton: does this link work http://www.vectric.com/downloads/trial-software.html
05:55 AM jthornton: I get a connection was reset
06:06 AM gloops: life is too short, joined a mushroom (edible not hallucogenic) growing page on facebook because i liked the photos, seriously wanting to get into this now lol
06:08 AM jthornton: my business partner used to be big into mushrooms, someone carved him a 3' tall morel for his front yard when he was dieing from cancer. I used to text him photos of mushrooms I'd see on the mountain bike trail. I hate mushrooms lol
06:10 AM gloops: i dont have time to do anything elaborate,they make all the cultures and everything themselves, some bizarre crops, one of those things that looks interesting but probably never get round to doing
06:12 AM jthornton: does that vectric link work for you?
06:13 AM malcom2073_: It loads for me
06:14 AM jthornton: thanks, I may need to reset my sat router
06:15 AM gloops: didnt see it
06:16 AM jthornton: http://www.vectric.com/downloads/trial-software.html
06:17 AM gloops: it opens yeah - trial doesnt allow to save toolpaths though
06:18 AM jthornton: well that sucks
06:24 AM gloops: http://scorchworks.com/Fengrave/fengrave.html
06:24 AM gloops: try that
06:27 AM jthornton: thanks
06:37 AM jthornton: https://imagebin.ca/v/3tbMXeWGHhVY
06:37 AM jthornton: that's just running it on linux... going to try the windblows exe next
06:44 AM jthornton: ah it has two layers and f engrave is only picking up one
06:44 AM jthornton: much better putting all entities on one layer
06:45 AM jthornton: https://imagebin.ca/v/3tbPI7izJ9NS
06:48 AM jthornton: I think I better test this on an old piece of plywood first lol
06:50 AM jthornton: and the g code opens in linuxcnc yea
06:50 AM jthornton: thanks
06:53 AM gloops: ive never actually used it lol, not to run code, i played about with it at one time, a lot swear by it though on facebook - pretty simple to pick up
06:54 AM jthornton: click one check box and you can do the inside of the letters https://imagebin.ca/v/3tbRjY7ZtVPg
06:58 AM gloops: not bad for the price lol, you can do most stuff the expensive v carve software does, using these simple tools, inkscape, f-engrave, g code ripper etc
06:58 AM gloops: might take a bit more messing about
07:08 AM Tom_L: morning
07:18 AM * JT-Shop gets a small fire going to get the chill out
07:18 AM Tom_L: not that bad here but chilly as well
07:18 AM Tom_L: looks like it's gonna be a nice day
07:19 AM Tom_L: albeit slow, looks like i may be able to cut steel on this little thing
07:19 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Strap_clamp.jpg
07:19 AM Tom_L: just a test
07:20 AM JT-Shop: milled the slot?
07:20 AM Tom_L: yes
07:21 AM JT-Shop: cool, that steel?
07:21 AM Tom_L: yes, leftovers from the build
07:22 AM Tom_L: .300 as it turns out, i glanced at it and thought it was .250 so that's what i programmed the first time
07:35 AM BeachBumPete: nice work tom
07:36 AM Tom_L: just learning about the mill a little
07:36 AM Tom_L: finding some boundaries
07:37 AM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/HTKEjYk.jpg now we're getting somewhere LOL
07:38 AM Tom_L: hah
07:38 AM Tom_L: how's the pup?
07:39 AM BeachBumPete: He's doin awesome man hes a trip for sure
07:39 AM TurBoss: morning
07:40 AM TurBoss: why I do receive "Pin 'motion.feed-hold' does not extis"
07:40 AM TurBoss: ?
07:40 AM Tom_L: because it probably doesn't
07:40 AM TurBoss: in a hal file
07:40 AM Tom_L: check the name
07:40 AM TurBoss: oh
07:40 AM TurBoss: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
07:41 AM TurBoss: found it there
07:41 AM TurBoss: ok
07:46 AM BeachBumPete: my only real concern now is trying to verify that these pocket sizes and locations are accurate enough to go ahead and CNC machine one LOL
07:57 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIRST-CHECK-STEPPER-MOTOR-CHECKER/222853245977?
07:58 AM gloops: well, electrics box is finally on the wall, just the cables to the motors, maybe back running tommorrow, then just a couple of bushes to turn next week and i can start proper testing
08:01 AM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LCD-Digital-Voltmeter-Ammeter-Ohmmeter-Multimeter-Volt-AC-DC-Tester-Meter-Latest/322600775998?hash=item4b1c81313e:m:mIlJLNMTg8TtdxCsh5eCYZA
08:01 AM Tom_L: stepper motor checker
08:02 AM gloops: i was wondering what specifically that checker did
08:02 AM Tom_L: no idea
08:03 AM Tom_L: mine chewed on some steel last night
08:07 AM gloops: yeah saw that Tom, slot looked ok
08:07 AM Tom_L: maybe i'll make a few strap clamps today
08:23 AM IchGucksLive: hi all back on net power ;-(
08:24 AM IchGucksLive: later
08:51 AM BeachBumPete: wondering if the guys at guitar center would mind if I showed up with a set of calipers and rulers and started taking measurements of the Ibanez Jem Jr they have over there LOL
08:52 AM Tom_L: rent one
08:53 AM Tom_L: take a ruler in and hold it up while admiring their guitars and snap a bazillion photos
08:53 AM BeachBumPete: that is kinda what I was thinking
08:54 AM Tom_L: i remember tommy shaw took one of his into pawn stars once to find out it was a fake :D
08:54 AM Tom_L: iirc he kept it
08:56 AM BeachBumPete: LOL there are LOTS of people making these things it is a very popular model apparently.
08:57 AM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/N6Bwymk.jpg
08:58 AM Tom_L: no cares in the world
09:00 AM enleth: I just stumbled upon the NYC CNC video showing an AR-15 lower receiver being milled and I can't help but notice that the part is rather complex - but the AR-15 design dates back to 1956
09:00 AM enleth: how the hell did they manufacture that back in the 50s?
09:00 AM enleth: I mean, sure, it must have been possible, but couldn't have been cheap
09:00 AM BeachBumPete: heh is this a serious question
09:01 AM enleth: and this was supposed to be a mass-produced standard issue firearm
09:01 AM enleth: and it *was* mass-produced
09:01 AM enleth: just how does one manufacture that part fast and cheap - or just fast, for that matter - without a CNC machine?
09:03 AM BeachBumPete: I don't know about that particular part but they did have tracer machines that cut from patterns that worked quite well and honestly back in the day they made stuff to a level of accuracy that was quite astounding by hand a lot of the time that would be difficult even today so I am sure they found a way around NOT having CNC tech.
09:06 AM enleth: I guess it must have been some kind of hydraulic tracing
09:07 AM enleth: and probably a *lot* of machines doing one step each, with some kind of palletization
09:07 AM BeachBumPete: sure probably was
09:09 AM Tom_L: maybe they just had good machinists
09:09 AM Tom_L: things weren't so fast paced back then
09:10 AM enleth: sure I have seen very accurate and intricate parts done even earlier than the 50s, an experienced machinist with a decent mill, a good selection of tools and fixtures, and a granite table and some metrology equipment can do almost anything a 5-axis machining center does (except maybe for some very organic shapes)
09:10 AM Tom_L: the row of 6 & 8 spindle lathes i ran from the WW2 era were all cam driven
09:10 AM enleth: but they produced those rifles at a rate of almost 100k per year
09:11 AM Tom_L: lots of women behind those machines too
09:12 AM Tom_L: years back i found some old 50cal casing tooling stuffed in a corner of where i worked at the time
09:14 AM Tom_L: the point is, everyone supported the war effort so i wouldn't be surprised if alot of it was done manually
09:15 AM SpeedEvil: A hundred thousand crappy mills and operators has a quality all of their own.
09:15 AM BeachBumPete: must have been a better time when everyone supported the country like that. I love the stories of rosie the riveter and the way people salvaged steel and metals for the effort etc.
09:16 AM SpeedEvil: BeachBumPete: Less 'supported the country' than 'were compelled to by law'.
09:16 AM BeachBumPete: BS
09:16 AM SpeedEvil: Or rather - both components are important.
09:17 AM Tom_L: i'm pretty sure ppl cared more back then
09:18 AM SpeedEvil: Perhaps. But there was at least an element of compulsion on buisness owners with machine shops to not continue making consumer goods.
09:18 AM SpeedEvil: Or to scale back lots and contribute.
09:18 AM malcom2073_: That, and the raw materials they needed were not available to them unless they produced wartime products
09:19 AM Tom_L: https://www.ammoland.com/2016/04/ar-15-rifle-historical-time-line/#axzz58hQE1a4Q
09:19 AM BeachBumPete: A lot of those companies did quite well after the war largely because of their support
09:24 AM Tom_L: enleth, the place i worked had 30 large screw machines in one room and had 4 other rooms full of macines if that helps put it into perspective
09:24 AM BeachBumPete: gotta figure out this pocketing for the Dimarzio pickup setups on this thing. the 2d shape is in the drawing but I think they are varying depths
09:27 AM Tom_L: https://grabcad.com/library/dimarzio-guitar-pickup-1
09:28 AM BeachBumPete: https://www.pickupmagnet.com/product/dimarzio-dark-matter-2-pickup-set/ the newest version of this guitar comes with these bad boys...
09:28 AM BeachBumPete: Anyone else here ever machined an electric guitar on their CNC's?
09:29 AM Tom_L: http://www.dimarzio.com/support/installation-and-dimensions#1-9-1
09:32 AM BeachBumPete: http://ibanez.wikia.com/wiki/JEM777
09:32 AM BeachBumPete: apparently that is what it came with originally
09:33 AM BeachBumPete: Dimarzio PAF pickups
09:38 AM Tom_L: i get an invite to NAMM every year but i've never gone
09:38 AM BeachBumPete: wow really? why?
09:39 AM Tom_L: no time for that
09:39 AM Tom_L: got a couple for some German one the other day
09:40 AM BeachBumPete: damn I hate when my imported drawing is metric and in draftsight all my dimension settings are metric. Don't remember how to change the damn thing...GAAAHHHHHhhhhh
09:40 AM Tom_L: just scale it
09:41 AM BeachBumPete: nothing wrong with the scale..
09:41 AM Tom_L: i ran into that recently
09:41 AM BeachBumPete: if I click and drag a dimension setup line it gives me metric
09:43 AM Tom_L: setting under format, unit system
09:50 AM BeachBumPete: I tried that does not seem to change the setting
09:52 AM Tom_L: probably has to be set when the drawing is created
09:53 AM BeachBumPete: possibly
09:53 AM BeachBumPete: frustrating
09:53 AM Tom_L: https://stunthanger.com/smf/cad-users/converting-from-inches-to-metric-with-draftsight/
09:55 AM BeachBumPete: hmm
09:56 AM Tom_L: don't know draftsight so i can't help much
09:56 AM BeachBumPete: I suppose I can save it as another name so I don't screw the original and then try that rescale the entire drawing thing
09:56 AM BeachBumPete: I love draftsight honeslty it is quite good. Use it for lots of stuff that is not needed to be 3D
09:57 AM Tom_L: i got some recently that were mm and just scaled them and went on
09:57 AM Tom_L: my cad cam doesn't care, it's how the post is set up
09:58 AM Tom_L: i've got a mm and inch post
09:58 AM BeachBumPete: yeah apparently that is how it works in draftsight as well
09:58 AM Tom_L: most cad is that way
09:58 AM BeachBumPete: but IF you setup the drawing that way it assumes
09:59 AM BeachBumPete: so you just select everthing and divide by 25.4 or something?
09:59 AM Tom_L: it varies
09:59 AM Tom_L: on my old one i scale all 3 dimensions
10:00 AM Tom_L: that or .03937 depending which way you're going
10:16 AM Brigi: Hey linuxcnc folks, is anyone here running solidworks?
10:17 AM Tom_L: a few here do
10:20 AM Brigi: I was cleaning up my windows background processes this morning and I accidentally broke solid works! Can someone who is currently running solidworks help me identify a background process location so I can get it fixed?
10:21 AM Tom_L: what version?
10:22 AM Brigi: I expect this process is on most of them, this one is SW2017 sp4.
10:23 AM Tom_L: where do you find it?
10:23 AM Brigi: Tom_L, You're on w10?
10:23 AM Tom_L: no 7
10:24 AM Tom_L: but i gotta go here in 2 min
10:24 AM Tom_L: take kid to work
10:25 AM Brigi: Okay, it's a bit different on 7, thinking through an elegant way to do this.
10:25 AM Tom_L: look in task manager or inside sw itself?
10:25 AM Brigi: No, windows task manager
10:26 AM Tom_L: for what?
10:26 AM Tom_L: sldworks_fs.exe is running
10:26 AM Brigi: Under processes, what processes are running that start with "SW"?
10:26 AM Tom_L: swvbaserer.exe
10:27 AM Tom_L: sldBgDwld.exe
10:27 AM Tom_L: sldProMon.exe
10:27 AM Tom_L: sldProcMon.exe sry
10:28 AM Tom_L: and SLDWORKS.exe itself
10:28 AM Tom_L: that's about it
10:28 AM Brigi: Tom_L, If it's not too much trouble, can you right click those process to find out where they are located?
10:29 AM adamj12b: Would anybody happen to know how I would display the current offset in a custom panel? I cannot seem to find something that will tell me what offset is active.
10:29 AM Tom_L: search the file system for those names
10:30 AM Tom_L: sry i gotta run
10:30 AM Brigi: Tom_L, Thanks!
10:30 AM Tom_L: programfiles
10:30 AM Tom_L: x86\Common Files\Solidworks
10:31 AM Brigi: Tom_L, Bummer nothing new. I appreciate your time, what version are you running?
10:31 AM Tom_L: it varies
10:31 AM Tom_L: 15
10:32 AM Brigi: Maybe someone with 2017 will be on later, I even broke the uninstall!
10:32 AM Tom_L: on win10 i wish you all the luck in the world
10:33 AM Brigi: Tom_L, We don't need luck, just persistence. ^_^
10:34 AM * Tom_L sees the snowball getting bigger already
10:37 AM Brigi: Tom_L, It looks like the process I broke was flexnet.
10:48 AM gloops: boss bandsaw https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pedrazzoli-Slitting-line-Band-saw/162926211734?
10:57 AM JT-Shop: of course no stores in town have a 60° router bit
10:59 AM gloops: sometimes one in those really cheap sets, only thing is theyre not cheap in local stores
11:01 AM JT-Shop: I have a 1/4" one from a router bit set I got a long time ago...
11:06 AM TurBoss: +hello
11:06 AM TurBoss: is posible to have one hal signal to trigger on fall and rise?
11:06 AM TurBoss: or a pin :F
11:07 AM JT-Shop: use a not for off
11:08 AM TurBoss: ok
11:08 AM TurBoss: ty
11:08 AM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/edge.9.html
11:08 AM JT-Shop: or edge
11:09 AM TurBoss: oh that looks better
11:09 AM TurBoss: ty
11:17 AM TurBoss: could be posible to trigger "c.auto(linuxcnc.AUTO_PAUSE)" | "c.auto(linuxcnc.AUTO_RESUME)" from hal?
11:23 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:23 AM IchGucksLive: all clear now here in south germany
11:24 AM TurBoss: great!
11:28 AM methods_: https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1027218/m2/1/high_res_d/4330493.pdf
11:28 AM methods_: boom
11:29 AM methods_: nuclear ramjet baby
11:30 AM fragalot: IchGucksLive: 8°C here at the moment
11:30 AM fragalot: started off at -7 this morning
11:30 AM IchGucksLive: i got -4 to 9
11:31 AM Tom_L: 58 but hold onto your hat... it's windy
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: the us gets pounded i hear
11:33 AM IchGucksLive: blizzard
11:33 AM Tom_L: not here
11:33 AM IchGucksLive: i need to get some sleep as we got 17guests this night weather related
11:33 AM IchGucksLive: last night
11:34 AM Tom_L: plenty of room for more :)
11:34 AM fragalot: :)-
11:34 AM fragalot: :-)
11:34 AM IchGucksLive: picked them up at forest camp
11:34 AM IchGucksLive: i got 42 max here
11:34 AM IchGucksLive: there is no way to get out of the vale
11:35 AM IchGucksLive: canyon like
11:35 AM IchGucksLive: on icy roads
11:35 AM IchGucksLive: the spikes gridder came in this afternoon to get the propane buttoles in
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: for the hardcore campers
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.google.de/maps/@49.2720687,7.7125414,1871m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=de
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: area where i am
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: slight to the left see Hollertal
11:38 AM fragalot: IchGucksLive: doesn't look like there's a whole lot of snow there
11:38 AM fragalot: it's all green ;-)
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: US rocket depo to the south
11:41 AM gloops: whitehouse on lockdown, shots fired on the south lawn
11:42 AM BeachBumPete: well after a LOT of searching and googling and looking over the original pickups and tremolo dimensions from PDF files from the manufacturers of the original componentry it seems that the 3d file I got online is QUITE accurate surprisingly...
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: gloops: i got 2 british guests overnight
11:43 AM BeachBumPete: I took a 2d DXF of it from the 3d model and got a lot of dimensions from that to verify.
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: BeachBumPete: best to go
11:43 AM gloops: how nice for you Ichs, and them
11:44 AM BeachBumPete: best to go?
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: gloops: i got a questiion to you why are there so many tribble town names
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: hi heathmanc
11:44 AM gloops: tribble?
11:45 AM gloops: any examples?
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: Newcasel up on tyne
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: 4
11:45 AM gloops: oh yes, thats the river
11:46 AM gloops: new castle on the banks of the (river) Tyne
11:46 AM fragalot: why is it kingston upon hull when the river is the humber?
11:46 AM gloops: Berwick upon Tweed - river Tweed
11:47 AM gloops: yes there are some exceptions fragalot
11:47 AM IchGucksLive: Grange-over-Sands
11:48 AM gloops: this is often french
11:48 AM Tom_L: kinda like when clarkson built the bridge over the river kwai?
11:48 AM gloops: the french named their towns after the place, Beaumont - beautiful hill
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: gloops: double townes ? Harworth and Bircotes
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: Henley-in-Arden
11:49 AM gloops: cote = pigeon house
11:49 AM gloops: see, there are different origins for place names here, old english, celtic, norse, saxon, roman, french
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: ok it is historical grown
11:50 AM gloops: thats why its difficult to explain
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: AS HERE in germany
11:50 AM gloops: oh yes, historical roots
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: Rottenburg ob der tauber
11:51 AM gloops: Stanley - stoney (stan = stone) field (ley = field)
11:51 AM gloops: thats old english
11:51 AM IchGucksLive: i got a list now of town names and it seams it is not that offen as in TV seams to be
11:52 AM gloops: no they often use those quaint sounding names for effect
11:52 AM gloops: same with surnames
11:53 AM gloops: Helen Parker Bowles sounds more impressive than Helen Jones
11:55 AM gloops: in the old days, if a woman of some standing married a lesser gent, she would keep her own surname - so it became a double barrel name
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: im off BYE
12:02 PM gloops: must be really strange not to be British lol
12:11 PM fragalot: it's alright not being british gloops.. it's the exact same, except the kettle isn't on non-stop
12:13 PM gloops: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/475974254361431038/ < fair old log to cut with 2 man saw
12:30 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: office? cute. :D
12:32 PM miss0r|office: fragalot: In lack of a better word. Would you have preferred 'mancave' ? :)
12:32 PM fragalot: that's the shop isn't it?
12:33 PM miss0r|office: no. the shop is the shop.
12:33 PM fragalot: :P
12:33 PM miss0r|office: This is my mancave/office
12:33 PM fragalot: I got one of those robo vac things today
12:33 PM fragalot: I think it needs a name
12:33 PM miss0r|office: I have a 35m^2 riim in the basement with a 110" home cinema and my "gaming" station here
12:34 PM fragalot: ... so about that invite to your party?
12:34 PM miss0r|office: :]
12:34 PM fragalot: maybe we need to talk that through again xD
12:34 PM miss0r|office: At the moment the home cinema is out of order, because I have a pinball machine somewhat blocking the view
12:34 PM miss0r|office: I need to find a good place for it
12:35 PM fragalot: that's such a luxury problem, lol
12:36 PM miss0r|office: yeah. Its not my pinball machine. Its a friend of mines.. He has not told his wife he bought it yet... so untill he mans up, it stays with me :D
12:39 PM fragalot: lol
12:43 PM fragalot: gloops: https://imgur.com/gallery/4AbPI
12:43 PM miss0r|office: hehehe nice one
12:52 PM gloops: plesiosaur, could be muraenosaurus
12:52 PM gloops: uncommon winter vistor
12:52 PM fragalot: :P
12:56 PM fragalot: miss0r|office: where would one go to obtain one of these fine pieces of kitchen utensil? https://imgur.com/gallery/k24tq
01:25 PM gloops: whoo sensing murder is back on tv
01:27 PM gloops: trump is really ramping up this trade war rhetoric!
01:27 PM gloops: Donald J. Trump
01:27 PM gloops: ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
01:27 PM gloops: 2h2 hours ago
01:27 PM gloops: If the E.U. wants to further increase their already massive tariffs and barriers on U.S. companies doing business there, we will simply apply a Tax on their Cars which freely pour into the U.S. They make it impossible for our cars (and more) to sell there. Big trade imbalance!
01:33 PM fragalot: gloops: he's already been whistled back by the ones that are actually in charge of passing or denying these laws.. let him shout.
01:34 PM gloops: @realDonaldTrump
01:34 PM gloops: 2h2 hours ago
01:34 PM gloops: The United States has an $800 Billion Dollar Yearly Trade Deficit because of our “very stupid” trade deals and policies. Our jobs and wealth are being given to other countries that have taken advantage of us for years. They laugh at what fools our leaders have been. No more!
01:35 PM gloops: i think he means it fragalot
01:35 PM fragalot: of course he does
01:35 PM fragalot: he means everything he says
01:35 PM XXCoder: yep even if he said something different day before
01:35 PM gloops: and he has a point - look at the regs on vacuum cleaners, the power cap eliminates one manufacturer - hoover
01:35 PM Roguish: he's a jackass
01:36 PM Roguish: ignoramus
01:36 PM gloops: trump aside, protectionism has strong merits
01:37 PM fragalot: gloops: I'll grant you that one. the limit on vacuum cleaner's power consumption is a tad annoying, even if the advertised intentions were good
01:37 PM fragalot: if they can produce the same suction power with a 1200W motor now than they could with a 2000W one earlier.. make me a 2000W one that sucks like a 3kW then! :P
01:38 PM gloops: well thats for the consumer to decide anyway, in a real market economy
01:40 PM XXCoder: yeah let's have coal burning 10,000w vacuum
01:40 PM gloops: however, for the usa to re-embrace protectionism, if it does, could mean a drastic change in the way things happen in manufacturing globally
01:42 PM gloops: i mean supposing this triggers a collapse in chinese steel - we will have to produce more steel ourselves
01:51 PM fragalot: or an economic collapse as they realize they don't have the infrastructure to keep up with demand on their own anymore
01:52 PM fragalot: after which a lot will be invested in the local plants, yet other companies die off because the steel prices have skyrocketed due to the high demand
01:52 PM fragalot: "the economy" is a finnicky beast
01:53 PM XXCoder: nah chinese steel wont collapse
01:53 PM XXCoder: theres plenty of customers
01:53 PM Loetmichel: gloops: china doesent export a THAT big part of its steel to the US. they have many customers. i see problems for the US, they import a lot of steel from abroad, and dont have the capacity to source it inland. THEY will have the the collapse, not the chinese or other countrys
01:54 PM fragalot: XXCoder: i'm more talking about "what if there was an outright ban in the US to import stuff"
01:54 PM XXCoder: Loetmichel: yep. we need to transit to local, but just cut off imports
01:55 PM gloops: the chinese economy is on the brink as it is, the idea with subsidised steel always WAS to destroy your home industry
01:55 PM andypugh: Bah! with so much traffic through my Paypal account I am having to give them my address. But they won’t accept an address without a “Street Number”. What the heck is a street number?
01:55 PM gloops: at which point china has the monopoly and puts prices up
01:55 PM fragalot: andypugh: the number on the front of your house?
01:56 PM XXCoder: andypugh: dang you must be really remote
01:56 PM andypugh: No, that’s the house number
01:56 PM fragalot: do you have the country settings right?
01:56 PM Loetmichel: gloops: any more delusions you want to share?
01:56 PM andypugh: They want flat number (optional) house number (or name) and street number.
01:57 PM gloops: Loet thats exactly what Japan did with electronics
01:57 PM andypugh: Yes, definitely a UK account at paypal.uk working in UK£
01:57 PM fragalot: andypugh: postal code?
01:57 PM Loetmichel: you cant do that "cheap out until all others are dead" with ressources. that only works for companies that manufacture things.
01:57 PM andypugh: No, that’s a separate entry
01:58 PM fragalot: well then. xD
01:58 PM Loetmichel: if the country in question HAS the ressources there will be new companys to gather them
01:59 PM Loetmichel: gloops: electronics isnt a ressource. and BTW: japan has no monopoly on ressources
01:59 PM Loetmichel: gloops: electronics isnt a ressource. and BTW: japan has no monopoly on electronics
01:59 PM Loetmichel: among others taiwan, china and germany are pretty big in producing them
01:59 PM Loetmichel: so it didnt even work there
02:00 PM fragalot: what japan did was start out scabby like chinese quality today, and worked it's way up to nailing it down and being a market leader because they're BLOODY DAMN GOOD at what they do
02:02 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: indeed. but the market leader is no more
02:03 PM fragalot: that depends on the product, but the glory days are indeed fading
02:03 PM Loetmichel: there are plenty of other electronics companies that have good and better products than japanese ones these days
02:05 PM gloops: japan created artificial investment with government bonds, the strategy was to flood western markets with cheap products until such point the western industries folded - which was successful in US electronics, UK motor industry etc
02:06 PM XXCoder: fragalot: yeah japan cnc machines wow. also annoying I don't like some of japan cnc design
02:07 PM gloops: japan almost pulled it off, but raygun kicked a stink up about japanese motors remember?
02:08 PM gloops: the debt bubble built on bonds burst and that was it for japanese growth - china was much more cautious
02:08 PM XXCoder: oops china is still growing housing bubble
02:08 PM XXCoder: they have whole cities with no resident
02:09 PM gloops: chinas growth is slowing and very fragile
02:10 PM gloops: 100% Tariff Put on Some Japan Goods : Reagan Move to Halt Chip Dumping Could Double TV, Computer Prices
02:10 PM gloops: April 18, 1987|JAMES GERSTENZANG | Times Staff Writer
02:11 PM gloops: http://articles.latimes.com/1987-04-18/news/mn-1024_1_computer-chips
02:11 PM gloops: and so you see, the US knows this game of old
02:12 PM Loetmichel: gloops: i dont know about US electronics. but uk motor industy folded because of thatcher, not the japanese
02:13 PM gloops: Loetmichel our markets were flooded with cheaper and improved japanese motorcycles and cars, Thatcher did take an axe to state industry but she cant be directly blamed for that
02:14 PM gloops: although she should have placed swingeing tariffs on japanese imports, and probably sent a small flotilla over
02:14 PM Loetmichel: *sigh*
02:14 PM gloops: the japanese products were subsidised - we couldnt compete
02:15 PM andypugh: The UK motor industry also suffered from Union leaders who were actively communist and had more interest in class war than in the jobs of their members.
02:16 PM gloops: yes that played a large part as well andypugh
02:17 PM andypugh: And we do still have _some_ motor industry. I work in it.
02:17 PM XXCoder: andy I love some of those UK cars
02:17 PM XXCoder: tiny ones heh
02:17 PM XXCoder: but sadly will never pass in usa
02:17 PM gloops: just when UK industry needed to shake itself and get some work done - you had power cuts, 3 day weeks, endless strikes etc
02:18 PM SpeedEvil: andypugh is actually 25% of the remaining motor industry.
02:20 PM gloops: SpeedEvil a new golden era of UK motors may be afoot
02:21 PM SpeedEvil: Yeah. Wheels are so old tech.
02:21 PM SpeedEvil: We have hop for the future.
02:21 PM gloops: new technology, new materials, new markets
02:23 PM Loetmichel: gloops, sorry but the more i read from you the more you look like those freaks that belive the earth is flat and the moon landing was fake (dont know the english word for it)
02:24 PM gloops: flat earth is debatable, fake moon landing is not
02:24 PM fragalot: xD
02:26 PM gloops: thatchers legacy may bear a lot fruit, because although it was a painful operation, the UK has all but forgotten the old way of doing things, the youth here doesnt think of car manufacturing as sooty hot manual work, their minds are free of that, to think of new ways
02:27 PM andypugh: The youth of today don’t care a jot about cars, as far as I can tell.
02:27 PM XXCoder: Russia was competing with USA very hard back then. If usa faked moon landing, boy will they shout and try to land on moon themselves.
02:27 PM andypugh: (Being involved in a university motor club, I have seen interest wane massively)
02:28 PM gloops: andypugh the majority probably never did think a lot about making cars, but the small percentage who do have a blank canvas to work on
02:28 PM fragalot: XXCoder: you can actually verify the landing yourself
02:28 PM fragalot: they put a reflector on the moon that you can bounce a laser off of
02:28 PM XXCoder: I still laugh each time someone says "landing was faked because dust acts unnaturally in video!"
02:28 PM Loetmichel: aside from the fact that car manufacturen dosent HAVE to be "sooty hot work": whats wrong with manual work? its honest, it usually pays not THAT bad, and its satisfying to see what you have produced at the end of the day.
02:28 PM XXCoder: dude dust dont float in vacuum but do suborbal movements. aka arc into ground.
02:29 PM XXCoder: frag indeed!
02:29 PM XXCoder: Loetmichel: sooty hot work means corp owners dont give a flip to work condition
02:29 PM gloops: Loetmichel you still make cars that are just cars, tin and box shaped etc
02:29 PM gloops: and bikes
02:29 PM Loetmichel: i dont make cars at all
02:30 PM Loetmichel: the closest i was ever to the car industry was when i had a holiday job at age 16 to do leopard2-crankshafts at thyssen.
02:31 PM fragalot: my closest was renovating a trabant I pulled out of a bush
02:31 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: thats not industry
02:31 PM fragalot: well, 3 trabants in total
02:31 PM fragalot: xD
02:31 PM Loetmichel: thats repair ;)
02:32 PM gloops: look at the new Ariel motorbikes https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Ariel_Ace.jpg/1200px-Ariel_Ace.jpg
02:33 PM Loetmichel: btw: does your nick come from the german "frage" or from fragmentation grenades in first person shooters?
02:33 PM fragalot: from Quake arena
02:33 PM fragalot: it's not the best nick, but i could never come up with something else so it stuck
02:34 PM gloops: if im right the chassis is milled, nay hewn! from a single block of alloy
02:34 PM gloops: not an external valve in sight
02:35 PM gloops: the kids who design these are not looking at old time models and trying to improve them, theyre starting from scratch
02:38 PM andypugh: It’s a welded casting, almost identical to the Triumph Daytona and Suzuki SV650 in construction.
02:39 PM andypugh: SC650: https://goo.gl/images/AiK8aK
02:39 PM andypugh: (2004 model)
02:39 PM gloops: nevertheless impressive
02:41 PM andypugh: Looks like a triumph of form over function. And you will note that it’s a Honda engine, probably VFR750
02:43 PM fragalot: the main difference I see is that things used to be made to be servicable
02:43 PM gloops: they have to start somewhere
02:43 PM fragalot: sure, it looks fantastic, but I feel sorry for modern day mechanics
02:44 PM Loetmichel: ariel atom was/is a fun car. It has it problems though (namely no portection for the driver from the elements among other things) and i doubt ariel will do better with 2 wheels
02:47 PM andypugh: Is it the same Ariel?
02:47 PM gloops: the V max did quite well i think, in a world of harleys
02:48 PM gloops: and the gold wing
02:49 PM gloops: yamaha v maxsales
04:33 PM Deejay: gn8
04:48 PM fragalot: XXCoder: since you liked clickspring, you may also like this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IEGmD_aV3w
05:09 PM adamj12b: Does anybody know where I can find a list of all the variables in linuxcnc?
05:15 PM gregcnc: fragalot I didn't know he had a channel
06:24 PM gloops: good question adamj12b
06:30 PM pcw_home: adamj12b: all hal pins?
06:51 PM Tom_L: i don't think they're listed all in one place. they're in each function here: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
06:58 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/W37Fdli.jpg Starting to get somewhere..
06:58 PM jdh: what material?
06:59 PM BeachBumPete: not sure yet
06:59 PM BeachBumPete: probably mahogany or ash or even some basswood if I can find some
07:01 PM BeachBumPete: we do have some nice Sapele in the shop right now
07:03 PM Tom_L: gettin there
07:08 PM BeachBumPete: what are ya workin on Tom?
07:17 PM Tom_L: not much now, tried cutting some steel earlier
07:17 PM Tom_L: did ok
07:17 PM Tom_L: makin some strap clamps
07:18 PM BeachBumPete: I once read an article in HSM or something where a fellow made some rather useful looking clamps from pieces of large diameter steel thick walled tubing.
07:19 PM BeachBumPete: This is probably my third attempt at using F360 to program a complex part. So far it is decent again but I still bang my head around simple things because I have not had time to really investigate the youtube videos etc.
07:29 PM adamj12b: pcw_home: Sorry, Was out at the machine. Things like the current position variables and tool probe(#5063) variables. for example
07:40 PM adamj12b: Also, if someone has a suggestion on how I can display what offset is active, that would be awesome. https://photos.app.goo.gl/akWZkrdHMdF1IBGz2
07:48 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/97BuhZM.jpg
07:48 PM pcw_home: the current position is a hal pin not sure about the others
07:49 PM BeachBumPete: anyone have a suggestion on how tomake F360 machine that pocket from one side to the other as a continuous pocket instead of the two ledges?
07:49 PM adamj12b: There is a hal pin for the current work offset?
07:50 PM adamj12b: BeachBumPete: Is that the file you got on grabcad?
07:50 PM BeachBumPete: yeah
07:50 PM gregcnc: the easiest thing to add a sketch do get the path you like
07:50 PM BeachBumPete: hm
07:50 PM adamj12b: got a link?
07:51 PM BeachBumPete: to what?
07:51 PM BeachBumPete: Oh you mean to the model?
07:51 PM BeachBumPete: stdby
07:53 PM BeachBumPete: https://grabcad.com/library/ibanez-jem777-1
07:55 PM adamj12b: pcw_home: I just looked again, I dont see anything under pins in halmeter having to do with the current offset.
07:56 PM adamj12b: BeachBumPete: Cool. Im going to play around with that. Are you trying to rest machine that pocket or what?
07:56 PM BeachBumPete: gregcnc so you are saying draw the shape in a sketch and then select that shape I guess... or are you saying to add that lines where I need them? It seems like there is already a line there delineating the sub pocket I want to machine..
07:58 PM BeachBumPete: adamj12b not sure yet just got to this point... I looked at rest machining settings could not figure out how to make it work. Basically I want to machine that second depth layer of that pocket leaving the layer for the slots below it all in one shot from surface
08:00 PM gregcnc: right. Sometimes the lines can't be added to the selection and that's the only way. Maybe not convenient, but I do it all the time to get toolpaths the way I like.
08:00 PM gregcnc: I don't actually use fusion, but in SW with HSMXpress
08:01 PM BeachBumPete: ok
08:01 PM pcw_home: I just meant current position not sure if you can get to offsets (you can get tool offsets via halui)
08:03 PM pcw_home: ahh looks like the python interface has some of the data you want
08:06 PM Tom_L: adamj12b you're talking about work offset right?
08:06 PM Tom_L: not tool offset
08:06 PM adamj12b: Yes.
08:06 PM Tom_L: let me investigate, i might want that too
08:06 PM Tom_L: i show tool offset
08:06 PM adamj12b: If you look at my link, You will see im trying to make a label show what work offset is active.
08:07 PM adamj12b: I got that part working. Shows tool length offset.
08:07 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
08:07 PM Tom_L: that's what i've been using
08:08 PM pcw_home: yeah the python interface tells you which offset is active and the pose of the offset
08:08 PM adamj12b: Hmm. can that be mixed in with the glade panel I made or would that be a another panel?
08:09 PM pcw_home: I think its and independent thing that just talks nml but this is way above my pay grade...
08:10 PM Tom_L: i'm wondering what var stores the current offset value
08:10 PM adamj12b: pcw_home: I see what you talking about. g5x_index returns 0 for g54, 1 for g55 so on.
08:10 PM adamj12b: Thats the other thing. Im trying to find a list of variable. I swear I saw one once but i cant find it now.
08:11 PM Tom_L: i've never seen one
08:11 PM Tom_L: if you find it...
08:11 PM adamj12b: lol will do.
08:12 PM adamj12b: there must be something somewhere...
08:13 PM adamj12b: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/coordinates.html
08:13 PM Tom_L: i'm reading that now
08:13 PM adamj12b: table 1 might be what im thinking of.
08:13 PM adamj12b: but thats only a small portion..
08:13 PM Tom_L: well the .var file has them stored
08:14 PM Tom_L: if that's what you're after
08:14 PM Tom_L: but doesn't show the active one that i know of
08:15 PM Tom_L: i use G54 most of the time anyway
08:15 PM Tom_L: oh and btw, if you use another one it still shows G54 in the axis display of active G codes
08:16 PM Tom_L: which is wrong
08:16 PM adamj12b: even better..... :/
08:16 PM adamj12b: Yes that page and the .var file must be what Im thinking of.
08:17 PM Tom_L: i've never seen a complete pin list
08:17 PM Tom_L: it would be a handy reference
08:17 PM adamj12b: for sure
08:18 PM adamj12b: like today I was setting up a touch off sub and i found out #5063 is the trip point of the probe
08:21 PM Tom_L: you'd think halui would have a pin for the active coordinate system but it doesn't
08:21 PM Tom_L: it's got just about everything else
08:21 PM adamj12b: Nope. I looked more then once
08:23 PM Tom_L: g5x_offset
08:23 PM Tom_L: (returns tuple of floats) - offset of the currently active coordinate system.
08:23 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/python-interface.html
08:23 PM Tom_L: but i don't know how to use that
08:23 PM adamj12b: Yes. PCW pointed that out.
08:23 PM adamj12b: The issue I think will be my panel is glade...
08:23 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:24 PM adamj12b: well see. I was going to look throuhg the source for gmoccapy and see how they get it to work.
08:24 PM Tom_L: the display it?
08:24 PM Tom_L: they*
08:25 PM Tom_L: i don't speak python
08:25 PM Tom_L: or klingon for that matter
08:25 PM adamj12b: lol I do enough to mess stuff up.
08:27 PM adamj12b: Maybe they dont. I thought I saw a screen where they did...
08:28 PM adamj12b: They do display it in the DRO's though which is nice
08:31 PM adamj12b: So I ordered on of those Chinese electronic tool setters and didn't want o wait to figure out how to set up the machine so printed something quick with a GE plunger type panel button in it. https://photos.app.goo.gl/hHrInhMhgZgSBTqj2
08:32 PM adamj12b: I ran 20 length mesurements this evening and the whole spread was 0.0003"
08:39 PM Tom_L: where do you interface python modules to lcnc?
08:39 PM Tom_L: does that require recompiling lcnc or just adding it in somewhere
08:43 PM adamj12b: standby
08:44 PM Tom_L: pretty sure it's above my pay grade atm anyway
08:45 PM adamj12b: haha
08:46 PM adamj12b: My screen is called with: GLADEVCP = -u hitcounter.py fryer-mb11-rightpanel.ui
08:46 PM adamj12b: hitcounter.py is a python file and I know it doesnt work without it, but I dont understand why.
08:49 PM adamj12b: what are you running for a PC? it was mini-itx wasnt it?
08:49 PM Tom_L: yes, i forget which one is on the mill now though
08:49 PM Tom_L: i think maybe an atom d525
08:49 PM adamj12b: mesa interface as well?
08:49 PM Tom_L: ?
08:50 PM Tom_L: is there any other?????
08:50 PM Tom_L: 7i90 i think
08:50 PM adamj12b: haha touche
08:50 PM Tom_L: with 7i47s
08:51 PM Tom_L: ether cards look nice but i see no reason to change a good thing
08:51 PM adamj12b: Mine needs upgrading. I was hoping it would work out as it was just sitting on the shelf new, but its underpowered. it takes about 3 minutes to boot and launch linuxcnc
08:51 PM Tom_L: i've got a couple asrock boards i could use
08:51 PM Tom_L: this is one but using it for irc right now
08:51 PM adamj12b: mine is 7i77 running the servos torque mode
08:52 PM Tom_L: i got new 5A steppers when i built my new machine and i'm still running them at 2.5A
08:52 PM Tom_L: i doubt i'll need to bump it up
08:54 PM Tom_L: looks like if the python module is in the path it'll get pulled in
08:54 PM adamj12b: o yeah?
08:54 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_halmodule.html
08:57 PM adamj12b: I will have to dig into that, but it seems like it might be possible to just create a hal pin with the work offset value and then read that with the glade screen.
08:58 PM Tom_L: how would you convert the values to "G54" "G55" ?
08:58 PM Tom_L: an array?
08:59 PM Tom_L: i'd be interested in how you create a hal pin to do that
08:59 PM adamj12b: yea it would have to be.
08:59 PM Tom_L: i'm kinda surprised there isn't one already
09:00 PM adamj12b: So right now I have 2 vise on my machine, But I want to add 2 more all with their own work system.
09:00 PM Tom_L: yeah
09:00 PM adamj12b: thus the reason I want to easily see what system im in
09:00 PM Tom_L: i tested that on mine the other day
09:00 PM adamj12b: https://photos.app.goo.gl/BO47jTgB9mePOIdf1
09:00 PM Tom_L: i started to rely on the axis display but learned that's not reliable
09:01 PM Tom_L: at least on the active gcode area
09:01 PM Tom_L: i should go double check that
09:15 PM Tom_L: ok so when you MDI a different work offset, axis shows the new one in the active Gcode list
09:16 PM Tom_L: when you run a program with a different work offset and stop and look at the active Gcodes it does not get updated
09:16 PM Tom_L: G54-9 are modal and should be updated in that screen
09:31 PM adamj12b: I was noticing today that when I ran my tlo code, it would switch offsets like I told it to to g59.3 and then when it finished it would switch back t g54 though i didnt tell it do that...
09:32 PM Tom_L: it would still be in G59.3 though
09:32 PM Tom_L: it's modal
09:33 PM adamj12b: but it wasnt. thats the weird thing.
09:33 PM Tom_L: is the screen interface setting it back?
09:34 PM Tom_L: ie axis or whatever you're running
09:34 PM Tom_L: it shouldn't be
09:34 PM adamj12b: im not sure yet, I didnt spend much time investigating.
09:34 PM Tom_L: it should update to the current last value used
09:34 PM adamj12b: Its on the list for tomorrow
09:34 PM Tom_L: i kinda feel this is a bug or at least an unexpected feature
09:43 PM Tom_L: Coordinate System (Group 12)
09:43 PM Tom_L:
09:43 PM Tom_L: G54, G55, G56, G57, G58, G59, G59.1, G59.2, G59.3
09:43 PM Tom_L: it should not change
09:44 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#_modal_groups