Feb 24 2018
12:06 AM hazzy: gn8
12:49 AM gloops: bladdy cold
12:49 AM fragalot: yea it's been warmer out
12:49 AM gloops: still, the wiring job must go on
12:50 AM gloops: i mean cold as in bunged up head, feeling crap etc
12:50 AM fragalot: ah right
12:51 AM gloops: still the lull in proceedings has allowed my thoughts to wander to the design of the next machine
12:52 AM gloops: originally a small simple kind of 4 axis machine in the set out of a wood lathe, swing around 8inch
12:53 AM gloops: i now realise this was a faint hearted design, the swing must be doubled at least
12:59 AM gloops: a box section stock either end, connected overhead with box section frame along which a carriage will run, the cut depth will be increased by lowering an axis from that carriage
01:06 AM IchGucksLive: good morning from Cold -10C Germany
01:06 AM IchGucksLive: sun is commig up outside
01:06 AM fragalot: good morning from the warm inside of my house :D
01:06 AM IchGucksLive: NY yesterday 26C
01:10 AM gloops: i still have never understood really why a stepper can do a 4th axis well
01:10 AM gloops: cant do
01:10 AM fragalot: why wouldn't it?
01:12 AM IchGucksLive: gloops: if you take a 8Nm closed you wont need any gearing at all
01:12 AM IchGucksLive: but on 4:1 it is quite more atractive
01:12 AM gloops: yes why wouldnt it, there have been debates in any here and many say you cant do a rotary axis with a stepper - not very anyway
01:12 AM IchGucksLive: i always use worm selfmade
01:12 AM gloops: you need encoders and indexers etc
01:13 AM gloops: Ichs well yes 8nm closed loop should cover just about any eventuality in wood
01:13 AM IchGucksLive: you need to change your behavior on indexing and use this is the only thing
01:14 AM gloops: yes would only be for indexing not live 4 axis
01:14 AM IchGucksLive: the benefit is the 3k rpm
01:14 AM IchGucksLive: so you can use it as a real lathe
01:14 AM gloops: for spindles yes
01:15 AM IchGucksLive: even on 4 to1 you got 750 rpm
01:15 AM IchGucksLive: a square wood block 4inch on that sped is a chalange
01:15 AM IchGucksLive: making chairs table ...
01:16 AM gloops: yeah, the bigger diameters would be for slower carving not turning as such
01:16 AM IchGucksLive: with intarsia mill nuts
01:17 AM IchGucksLive: intenchen is to make first the lathe stuff on the same part then change pid to 4th and go with mill
01:17 AM IchGucksLive: all in one claw fit
01:17 AM gloops: i went in a big bathroom shop yesterday, suprising how cnc woodwork is getting into everything, lot of sheet parts cut by cnc - lot of things made the screen type patterns im looking at doing
01:18 AM gloops: what is pid again?
01:19 AM fragalot: Proportional Integrating Differential (or something along those lines)
01:20 AM fragalot: P corrects based on how big the error is, I corrects based on how long the error has been there, and D corrects on how fast the error changes
01:22 AM gloops: run from a sensor?
01:22 AM fragalot: you need some type of feedback, yeah
01:24 AM gloops: so, ok, lets say i have a mechanical indexing thing, a drilled plate say on the rotary axis, a sensor is reading its position, how is this connected to linuxcnc? has linuxcnc already got the necessary interface i just need to evoke and allocate to a pin ?
01:24 AM IchGucksLive: encoder
01:25 AM IchGucksLive: gloops: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/
01:25 AM gloops: the encoder is hardware seperate from the sensor?
01:25 AM fragalot: the encoder IS the sensor
01:25 AM gloops: right
01:25 AM IchGucksLive: encoder conects to a pin
01:25 AM fragalot: a 4th axis is no different from any other axis
01:26 AM fragalot: whether it's a rotary encoder, or a glass scale.. they all do the same thing
01:26 AM fragalot: bbl
01:26 AM gloops: so in stepconfig i just look for encoder and set my pin to it, and thats it?
01:27 AM IchGucksLive: usaly the encoder got 3 signals
01:27 AM IchGucksLive: ABZ
01:27 AM IchGucksLive: AB indicades the step and Dir
01:28 AM IchGucksLive: Z is the index
01:28 AM gloops: so 3 pins for every encoder?
01:28 AM IchGucksLive: yes
01:28 AM gloops: will need extra parport
01:30 AM IchGucksLive: you may be on the wrong edge it is only used for BRDC or Servos
01:30 AM IchGucksLive: BDRC
01:30 AM IchGucksLive: it can only give you a real world numbers but will not correct anything
01:31 AM IchGucksLive: and on wood it is useless anyway as you wont see 0,3mm
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: im off
02:00 AM Deejay: moin
02:00 AM fragalot: G4DAY
02:00 AM fragalot: g'day*
02:01 AM fragalot: CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaYt62_osYA&feature=youtu.be
02:02 AM fragalot: CaptHindsight: bit of a clickbaity video, but the material is cool
02:49 AM miss0r: Tungsten carbide circular saw blade(cold saw) 350x2,5x40 for ~ 90 EUR... (X) doubt
02:49 AM miss0r: Thats cheap even for a HSS
02:50 AM miss0r: lol, they have some TiN covered HSS blades that goes for more than the TC ones.. Idiots
03:41 AM gloops: wood saw?
03:45 AM XXCoder: wood you saw wood?
03:45 AM XXCoder: I saw some saws sawing wood into sawdust
03:49 AM gloops: i mean a circular blade for a wood saw, theyre only a tenner tct
03:50 AM XXCoder: carbide one?
03:50 AM XXCoder: dunno
03:50 AM gloops: yeah
03:50 AM XXCoder: I was just playing with words lol
03:51 AM XXCoder: first is would/wood and second just to see how many "saw"s I could fit in single sentance
03:52 AM gloops: yes i wish you would cut straight to the point
03:54 AM XXCoder: cut me a break, I wont go stright to point
03:56 AM XXCoder: time for me to saw wood in dream
03:57 AM XXCoder: cut me a break on cards https://data.whicdn.com/images/44581335/original.jpg
03:58 AM XXCoder: night
04:50 AM jthornton: morning
04:50 AM fragalot: mornin'
04:54 AM gloops: right, might finally get to look at doing some wiring
04:59 AM jthornton: just got my first large (57g) egg
05:02 AM gloops: no eggs from my new chickens yet, only been a week though, i did put an egg in with them to test if they were broody, one stopped on the spot, turned to the egg, walked straight to it, inspected it, turned round and walked straight back to the same spot it was in lol
05:13 AM jthornton: you wanting a broody hen?
05:30 AM hazzy1 is now known as hazzy
05:30 AM jthornton: morning hazzy
05:32 AM gloops: jthornton if i do get broodies ill hatch some duck eggs under them, silkies are notoriously broody and good mothers
05:34 AM jthornton: I've heard that about silkies
05:36 AM gloops: A UK ticket holder has won £77,798,898.10 following Friday's EuroMillions draw
05:37 AM gloops: have got to keep them in a shed though, it has got a polycarb roof so nice and light and warm for them, my other chickens would kill them i think, the cocks definitely - probably also the hens if my cockerel mated them, too heavy
05:37 AM fragalot: I'd have been happy with .1% of that
05:39 AM gloops: i didnt get one number
07:07 AM holzjunkie: moin
07:07 AM holzjunkie: allerseits
07:23 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DING-DONG-HSS-Power-Hacksaw-Blade-425-x-25-x-1-5-10-tpi/322689851004
07:25 AM jym: doorbell saw blade???
07:25 AM Tom_L: i thought you used the metric system over there?
07:25 AM jthornton: well crap I can't get sshfs to work
07:26 AM Tom_L: sounds too technical for my pay grade
07:26 AM jym: jthornton: via FUSE?
07:27 AM jthornton: I guess it uses fuse
07:27 AM jym: jthornton: you using keys or pw ?
07:28 AM jym: Tom_L: you mean sshfs is above your paygrade?
07:28 AM jthornton: sudo
07:29 AM jym: jthornton: Why are you using sudo?
07:29 AM jthornton: that's what I found on the net
07:30 AM jym: jthornton: what distro? How did you install it?
07:31 AM jthornton: jessie, install what?
07:32 AM jthornton: pi@coop32:~ $ fuse
07:32 AM jthornton: -bash: fuse: command not found
07:32 AM jthornton: maybe that is my clue
07:32 AM jym: jthornton: https://github.com/libfuse/sshfs
07:33 AM jym: jthornton: You might be able to use apt-get to install it, you'll have to lok
07:33 AM jym: look*
07:34 AM jym: apt-get update; apt-cache search sshfs;
07:37 AM jym: jthornton: Also, thee can be initial lag each time you do a file function, and you can get disconnects depending on how the server is configured. At least those were the little quirks I've come across, but that's been a while too. It's still a great tool either way.
08:23 AM hazzy: morning jthornton
08:23 AM hazzy: I finally got some DIN rails to mount all that stuff I got from you
08:24 AM jthornton: cool
08:26 AM hazzy: Figuring out where to put home and limit switches is really holding up progress on my mill.
08:26 AM hazzy: Been stuck on that for almost 6months lol
08:27 AM hazzy: Think I finally got it though
08:27 AM jthornton: what kind of machine?
08:29 AM jym: hazzy: can you post pics of the machine?
08:29 AM jym: hazzy: you can post to https://imgur.com/
08:31 AM hazzy: jym: sure, sek
08:32 AM hazzy: I don't have a picture picture at hand, but here is a model: https://i.imgur.com/V4dHd8f.png
08:32 AM jym: Awwwwwwww, SO CUTE… https://imgur.com/gallery/JNRCE
08:32 AM hazzy: lol
08:33 AM jthornton: on my BP the Y axis http://gnipsel.com/images/bp-knee-mill/BP%20Limits.jpg
08:33 AM jym: hazzy: You could make little "L brackets" and mount the switches under the table (free from swarf, coolant)
08:34 AM jthornton: one switch and two actuators
08:35 AM jthornton: jym: I had to reboot the RPi before sshfs would work and used sshfs firstname.lastname@example.org:/remote/path /home/johndoe/sshfs-path/
08:35 AM hazzy: jthornton: I like what you did there! I was hoping to put the x sw UNDER the table mounted to the saddle, but I don't think there is quite enough room
08:36 AM hazzy: jym: Here is my build thread on the zone: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/rf-45-clone-mill/326994-cnc-cad-engineering.html
08:36 AM Deejay: jym, you sound like pinkvampire
08:36 AM jthornton: hazzy: that is an Anilam CNC kit from years ago
08:37 AM jym: jthornton: Glad you got it working =)
08:37 AM jthornton: me too
08:37 AM jym: Deejay: Hey, those husky puppies are cute and fluffy =)
08:37 AM jthornton: that's how I edit files on the RPi
08:37 AM Deejay: jym, yes, i agree :)
08:38 AM jym: jthornton: you cna't just ssh into it?
08:38 AM jym: ...and use pico/nano?
08:38 AM jthornton: I could yes but gedit is much easier with bit files
08:39 AM jym: jthornton: "bit files" ???
08:39 AM jthornton: poython
08:39 AM jym: ah
08:41 AM jym: jthornton: I would HIGHLY suggest you cp;edit; files instead of "live editing" (and you'l have a backup to can revert back to) because there could be sync/disconnect issues
08:41 AM hazzy: This is my mock up for Y switches. Completely out of the way: https://i.imgur.com/r4JDz9P.png
08:41 AM hazzy: https://i.imgur.com/3KBhF5H.png
08:43 AM jym: hazzy: looks decent to me
08:43 AM jthornton: does it hit a hard stop before breaking the push buttons?
08:43 AM hazzy: jthornton: What kinda repeatability do you get with that roller switch and inclines?
08:43 AM hazzy: and yes
08:43 AM jym: hazzy: Do have adjustable "slots" in your brackets to make minor adjustments
08:45 AM hazzy: jym: No, but the switches have about .25 or adjust-ability in the threaded mount
08:45 AM hazzy: since they contact a flat surface I don't think they need adjust in the other axis (side to side)
08:46 AM hazzy: I guess I will just epoxy the brackets in place :|
08:46 AM jym: hazzy: Whatever you feel is best for you, just wanted to mention you'll want/need some level of adjustability - saves on aspirin and tequila
08:48 AM jthornton: the bp homes to index IIRC, my plasma is stepper and the micro switches are pretty accurate
08:49 AM jym: hazzy: could you drill the base, and thread the L brackets instead of epoxy?
08:49 AM gregcnc_: epoxy for push switches is pretty brave
08:49 AM hazzy: Jym: Yes, adjust-ability is great thing, I generally try to design more than I think i will ever need, and I end up needing even more,haha
08:49 AM hazzy: gregcnc_: or lazy
08:50 AM jym: hazzy: you really want to epoxy on a chinese paint job?
08:50 AM hazzy: jym: It is very tight in there, I can't even fit my soix close quarters drill with a screw machine bit in :(
08:51 AM hazzy: I have tried!
08:51 AM jym: hazzy: You don't ned a "straight hole", just a hole.
08:51 AM hazzy: The vice-grips hold well, maybe I should just leave them :D
08:53 AM gloops: i got roller switches, so they dont get bust
08:53 AM hazzy: Your right, but angled holes go against my conscience
08:53 AM hazzy: gloops: roller switches with an incline to trigger them?
08:53 AM jym: hazzy: Fine, weld the brackets in then.
08:54 AM jym: or weld in an adjustable bracket
08:54 AM hazzy: jym: I am just kidding you, I think I will try to get a hole in there one way or another
08:55 AM jym: hazzy: two holes per bracket if you can
08:55 AM jym: (murphy's law)
08:55 AM gloops: some just hit the carriage, i had to screw a chock on the z i think for the roller to bump
08:56 AM gloops: rollers on levers
08:56 AM hazzy: Yes, two would be ideal, I will try
08:56 AM jym: hazzy: ...and locktight =)
08:57 AM hazzy: jym: For sure! and epoxy for good measure :)
08:57 AM hazzy: Thinking about using one of these on x: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-LOT-TEMCo-HEAVY-DUTY-15A-Micro-Limit-Switch-Roller-Plunger-SPDT-Snap-Action/371236168601?epid=1740196106&hash=item566f666399:g:AOUAAOSw1RVaTplK:sc:USPSFirstClass!30345!US!-1
08:57 AM hazzy: afk for breakfast
08:58 AM jym: hazzy: I wouldn't, cause it' be the one time that it will actually hold and you can't break it free when you need to =)
08:59 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ME-8108-Momentary-AC-Limit-Switch-Roller-Lever-CNC-Mill-Laser-Plasma-Waterproof/201943433780?
09:00 AM gloops: i got those, theyre like door closers lol, but the long levers are useful, you can mount them easily to catch
09:00 AM gloops: plus move the lever to different angles and lengths
09:02 AM jym: gloops: cheap enough too
09:02 AM gloops: almost free
09:12 AM jthornton: I just use these https://www.ebay.com/p/10-PC-Temco-Micro-Limit-Switch-Roller-Arm-Subminiature-SPDT-Snap-Action-Lot/1740140405?iid=370839682991&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44039%26meid%3D49da62953953497c9a89fb64507db1c4%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D371236168601%26itm%3D370839682991&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1
09:13 AM jthornton: wow what a url
09:14 AM Tom_L: you got your money's worth outta that one
09:15 AM Tom_L: cloudy day today
09:17 AM jthornton: rain finally stopped
09:19 AM jym: jthornton: Just truncate from the question mark onward... https://www.ebay.com/p/10-PC-Temco-Micro-Limit-Switch-Roller-Arm-Subminiature-SPDT-Snap-Action-Lot/1740140405
09:19 AM jym: jthornton: or... https://www.ebay.com/p//1740140405
09:19 AM jym: jthornton: note the double fwd slashes
09:21 AM jym: Ok, not required... https://www.ebay.com/p/1740140405
09:31 AM Tom_L: hazzy, here's what i did: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/X_Axis_limit1.jpg
09:31 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Y_Axis_limitswitches1.jpg
09:32 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Z_Axis_Limit3.jpg
09:49 AM phipli: Heh. Awesome. Just managed to mill a PCB with traces between the pads on a header
09:49 AM phipli: wasn't sure if the detail would be too fine
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: robot is mounted and moving now doing a APP for androuid to control via serial HC-05 to ArduinoNoan PWM 16 block and servo
09:55 AM IchGucksLive: 100screws m3 even more
09:55 AM IchGucksLive: servus holzjunkie
09:55 AM IchGucksLive: holzjunkie: heute viele deutsche im YT
09:55 AM IchGucksLive: alle mit ini problemen
09:55 AM Deejay: krauts overtake
09:57 AM IchGucksLive: Deejay: ein fabienn hat sich beschwert es gäbe hier keine deutschen aber heute hat keiner gfragt auf deutsch
09:57 AM holzjunkie: doch ich aber schon vor stunden
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: du bist schon proofie
09:58 AM holzjunkie: wer?
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: immer der der fragt ;-)
09:59 AM holzjunkie: hmm ich denke nicht ;-)
09:59 AM holzjunkie: ich werd grad von meinem Hund angefallen hillffffe
10:10 AM hazzy: Thanks Tom_L that looks functional and very simple
10:10 AM hazzy: Your machine is looking like a machine :)
10:48 AM gregcnc_: capthindsight the zombies are awake by 10am to the post office line was long. they told me the $7 rate was not an option.
11:11 AM gloops: those cheap mini roller switches are good for limit switches i need to buy a pack
11:12 AM fragalot: I bought a pack of 100 when I built my third 3D printer
11:12 AM fragalot: they're still going, so no complaints there
11:12 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.com/p/Hot-10pcs-Micro-Roller-Lever-Arm-Open-Close-Limit-Switch-Kw12-3-PCB-Microswitch/557683555?
11:33 AM jesseg: how cute
11:33 AM jesseg: and cheap too
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:40 AM jesseg: Good evening IchGucksLive
11:53 AM gloops: silkie hens http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=in5o9h%3E&s=9#.WpGl-8TLgW0
11:53 AM gloops: i wont use tiny pic again i dont think
11:57 AM jym: gloops: I've moved everything off of TinyPic and over to imgur.com
11:58 AM TurBoss-shop: hello
11:58 AM TurBoss-shop: how can i net the output of 1 pin to 2 inputs =?
11:58 AM gregcnc_: not thinking clearly I ordered a left hand internal threading bar, so i'd have to start at the bottom. will threading cycles run safely without a relief?
11:59 AM TurBoss-shop: in hal ?
12:00 PM TurBoss-shop: not a question :P
12:01 PM JT-Shop: connect the same signal to each input
12:02 PM TurBoss-shop: ok
12:02 PM gloops: an out pin to an in pin?
12:03 PM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_net
12:03 PM JT-Shop: glad it's not a gladevcp question :O
12:06 PM TurBoss-shop: hehehe
12:06 PM TurBoss-shop: finally
12:06 PM TurBoss-shop: :P
12:15 PM holzjunkie: Hy jt
12:17 PM holzjunkie: JT-Shop: hy ichguckslive has told me to ask you for mesacards
12:19 PM Tom_shop: holzjunkie, https://mesaus.com/
12:21 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: yet amazingly I can get a 8oz small envelope from China for ~$1
12:21 PM CaptHindsight: with parts in it
12:27 PM fragalot: hi
12:31 PM gloops: evening
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_shop: the measaus is from JT
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: or im wrong
12:32 PM Tom_shop: yes
12:33 PM Tom_shop: although it's turning into a chicken farm :D
12:33 PM fragalot: hehe. me sauce.
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_shop: jt 's shop
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: does he sell egs more then mesa
12:36 PM fragalot: haha
12:37 PM XXCoder: MESA chickens
12:37 PM CaptHindsight: https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/hvd/d/boice-401-manual-cmm-rotating/6487784697.html $1400
12:38 PM malcom2073: Cheap
12:38 PM Tom_shop: i think he eats all his egg profits
12:38 PM XXCoder: hope he saves up his eggbasket for retirement
12:39 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: that'd be a good base if it's being sold cheap due to being inaccurate / worn
12:39 PM fragalot: heck, i'd buy that just for the granite table, lol
12:39 PM XXCoder: whats funny is that at work one of cmms is being repaired
12:40 PM XXCoder: new air bearings and some other stuff
12:43 PM gloops: see me for goat related products https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_referrer=watch&video_id=aq3P9q4_fQw
12:44 PM XXCoder: thats not link to tour pages
12:44 PM XXCoder: *your videos
12:46 PM gloops: should be i just uploaded it from my phone
12:46 PM fragalot: that's an edit link
12:46 PM gloops: ahh
12:46 PM gloops: https://youtu.be/aq3P9q4_fQw
12:47 PM fragalot: were you trying to film the goats, or the hay :P
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
12:48 PM gloops: i was just messing about with phone tbh lol
12:48 PM fragalot: :)
12:53 PM XXCoder: I wonder what that guy with crazy video skills would do with your video
12:53 PM fragalot: who?
12:54 PM XXCoder: second
12:54 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY
12:55 PM gloops: he is good with video, when he isnt eating magic mushrooms lol
12:57 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR_8SDNQ0ks
12:57 PM XXCoder: I'd love that. super fine resolution for more fiddy stuff
01:08 PM fragalot: That is just weird. :D
01:11 PM CaptHindsight: I have that dream almost every night
01:11 PM XXCoder: you would be able to feel .0001 directly lol
01:12 PM fragalot: your fingers are actually able to feel down to 13nm
01:12 PM fragalot: well, some people can
01:13 PM XXCoder: yeah yeah I meant more like very easy to feel size and such
01:13 PM fragalot: lots more to hurt when you inadvertently hit it with a hammer though
01:13 PM XXCoder: you can feel dust on rock because its so smooth that theres nothing rougher than dust on it
01:14 PM fragalot: also. just for reference, 13nm is 0.5 millionths... good luck measuring that with your vernier calipers :D
01:14 PM XXCoder: yeah
01:19 PM XXCoder: I wonder why someone would buy 0-6" starret mics set, brand new, then just sel it off
01:20 PM XXCoder: I kinda suspect its fakes
01:20 PM fragalot: dealers do that every single day
01:20 PM fragalot: buy 'm, mark up, sell 'm
01:20 PM fragalot: it's how this economy works
01:20 PM jthornton: it's stolen lol
01:20 PM XXCoder: hmm maybe
01:21 PM XXCoder: I saw one at vancouver, wa thats whole tool cart worth of tools
01:21 PM XXCoder: mics, calipers, dial test indictors etc
01:21 PM XXCoder: essentally machinist starter kit heh
01:21 PM gregcnc_: I bought a toolbox and some tools I suspected were stolen, i didn't ask
01:22 PM gregcnc_: he was selling for a friend, but they guy told me where he worked
01:23 PM gregcnc_: there used to be a lot of machinist toolboxes on CL locally some years back. not much lately
01:23 PM fragalot: that's something that amazes me in the US.. having to (apparently) buy your own tools to use at work
01:24 PM XXCoder: its not true where I work at
01:24 PM gregcnc_: that varies by company
01:24 PM XXCoder: they have calipers etc stuff
01:25 PM XXCoder: but i like having my own thank you very much lol
01:25 PM fragalot: XXCoder: sure, but in my opinion the company shoudl then provide you with that to do your job
01:25 PM gregcnc_: I keep hoping a cheap lista or vidmar cabinet shows up on CL
01:25 PM methods_: good luck with that
01:25 PM XXCoder: costco black tool cart
01:25 PM fragalot: rather than you having to spend the money you earned working there, on tools to use there.
01:25 PM methods_: those damn things are hard to find cheap
01:26 PM XXCoder: $660 for pretty big onre
01:26 PM gregcnc_: even the auction take good money
01:26 PM methods_: even the half height ones are like $500
01:26 PM fragalot: I'm having a very difficult time here finding good lista style cabinets
01:26 PM fragalot: it's so hard to weed through the chinese crap
01:26 PM methods_: $500 all day at auctions
01:26 PM XXCoder: laters
01:26 PM gregcnc_: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/bfs/d/stanley-vidmar-modular-drawer/6486999407.html
01:26 PM fragalot: I wound up making my own.. out of wood. like a maniac.
01:27 PM methods_: yeah that guys is smokin crack at that price
01:27 PM methods_: i wouldn't pay more than $750
01:28 PM methods_: anything under $700 for full height vidmar is good i think
01:28 PM gregcnc_: what do those weigh?
01:28 PM methods_: they're not too bad weight wise
01:28 PM methods_: they're not light but you can do it with 2 people
01:28 PM methods_: a lot easier with a forklift
01:29 PM methods_: full height vidmar shipping weight is 576lbs
01:30 PM gregcnc_: I was looking at a short bench height 5 drawer at a local auction, but it went for 300+ premium and maybe even had to be moved by the riggers
01:30 PM methods_: https://www.grainger.com/product/STANLEY-VIDMAR-Modular-Drawer-Cabinet-4KC90
01:30 PM methods_: oh yeah that sux if they make you use the riggers
01:30 PM methods_: that kinda blows the savings out
01:30 PM gregcnc_: it may have been a flat 100, but still
01:30 PM methods_: $300+ prem is pretty good for half height
01:31 PM methods_: anything over that i probably would back down
01:32 PM methods_: i mean i've gotten lucky at some auctions and picked them up for $100-200
01:32 PM methods_: but you never know with auctions
01:32 PM methods_: i've gone into some and people pay full price for empty beat up vidmars
01:33 PM gregcnc_: pretty quiet lately for auctions
01:33 PM methods_: yeah everyone went out of business
01:33 PM methods_: and all the people left are busy working
01:36 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Industrial-Large-Metal-Tool-Cabinet-with-drawers/202232865793?
01:41 PM Rab: gloops, that type of cabinet is very highly sought after here for restoration and sale to moneyed city-dwellers who do all their work through a computer. It would ultimately sell for 10x 100GBP.
01:41 PM gloops: it is very cheap at that
01:42 PM gloops: you see military ones very similar
01:42 PM Rab: Yeah, real industrial storage wasn't cheap originally.
01:44 PM gloops: i reckon it would be worth buying up a load of old kit here, paying for a shipping container and taking it to usa
01:44 PM Rab: Battery leakage and decades of other toxic goo included at no extra charge.
01:44 PM fragalot: gloops: I don't think you need to take it to the US, just find the right chumps in the UK
01:45 PM Rab: Once unloaded, fill the container with electronic test equipment and take it back to double your money.
01:46 PM fragalot: hehe
01:46 PM gregcnc_: what sort of things are muricans after?
01:46 PM Rab: Guns?
01:47 PM gregcnc_: we make as many of those as we want
01:47 PM gregcnc_: btw we do other things
01:47 PM Rab: I'm surprised to see the amount of cheap machine tools people post from ebay.co.uk. Some of that equipment would sell well here, outside the rust belt.
01:49 PM Rab: Any clapped out mill or lathe will cost 2,500USD in this part of the country.
01:50 PM gloops: bridgeport milling machines for one thing
01:50 PM fragalot: same here, and the UK is nearly walking distance
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: shipping is expensive across the US
01:51 PM CaptHindsight: lots of lower cost machines in the rust belt
01:51 PM fragalot: buying machines in the UK gives you the whole metric vs imperial conundrum though
01:51 PM gloops: dont search for army drawers https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/THERMAL-DRAWERS-UNDERWEAR-GREEN-Warm-British-Army-Military-Cadet-Long-Johns-NEW/273046217695?
01:51 PM CaptHindsight: but the shipping cost is .4-1x as the machine
01:52 PM hazzy: Note to self: Wood might work for fixturing the mild steel test part, but won't work for the stainless final part.
01:52 PM CaptHindsight: they charge 75-150 extra just for a lift gate at delivery
01:53 PM Rab: Here's what Americans want: https://austin.craigslist.org/cbd/d/ww-ii-relics-wanted/6498214143.html
01:54 PM CaptHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/d/double-tool-box-work-bench/6503458365.html
01:54 PM CaptHindsight: $10k hahaha
01:55 PM gloops: yes that is true re nazi paraphernalia
01:55 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: yeah Nazi relics will sell for more now
01:56 PM gloops: most surviving german soldiers were relieved of their medals and kit by american troops
01:56 PM gloops: for a packet or two of cigs
01:56 PM CaptHindsight: Hitlers mustache would probably sell for millions
01:57 PM gloops: russians got it
01:57 PM CaptHindsight: who has Stalins moustache?
01:58 PM gloops: stalin probably had it made into a shaving brush
01:58 PM gloops: hmm, stalin didnt get the same treatment as lenin, preserved forever
01:58 PM CaptHindsight: ever notice how they all had mustaches, but all different
01:59 PM fragalot: the hair grows like the hair grows
01:59 PM fragalot: can't grow a hefty bush if the sides don't grow out :P
01:59 PM gloops: hitler did have a big moustache
02:00 PM CaptHindsight: pan to the bottom https://imgur.com/gallery/f2LUd
02:01 PM gregcnc_: lol
02:01 PM CaptHindsight: why doesn't Putin have a stach?
02:02 PM gloops: well, captain cook, for all his global exploration, claimed the Tongans were the most beautiful women in the world
02:02 PM MarcelineVQ: because he's on the bald position
02:02 PM MarcelineVQ: allthough I guess the last few before that didn't have stache's either
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: Gorbachev had a spot
02:03 PM gloops: could have been mongolian spot
02:05 PM CaptHindsight: Yeltsin had a sense of humor
02:05 PM CaptHindsight: but no stache
02:06 PM gloops: yes the bolshevik spirit was waning fast by then
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: http://wincart.fullerton.edu/Communities/Tongan.htm
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: he must have been into plump
02:09 PM gloops: yes he was around before the kfc opened there
02:09 PM Rab: https://austin.craigslist.org/tls/d/lathe/6485751097.html
02:10 PM Rab: That's a sad description, but I believe it.
02:10 PM CaptHindsight: tool boxes and coffins seem to have high values
02:11 PM fragalot: lol
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: honest
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/snap-on-tool-boxes-reduced/6475858151.html $32,000 new! Thats insane
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: sorry 23,000
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: still nuts
02:12 PM gloops: cook was probably just trying to boost recruitment into the navy, most crew was press ganged in those days
02:12 PM fragalot: I walked past a snapon toolbox the size of the whole bloody shop today
02:13 PM gloops: especially for circumnavigation attempts
02:13 PM fragalot: with, obviously, the required collection of oldtimers parked in front of it
02:16 PM CaptHindsight: hah, 4 armed deputies didn't enter school
02:17 PM CaptHindsight: sounds like the ones I know, just there for the benefits
02:19 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: they were concerned about the safety of the students
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: guarded the police vehicle
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: are there any brands of UK tools that have prices not connected to their value?
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: Snap-On fits the bill here
02:20 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-vintage-3-5-x-24-in-no-14-Britannia-lathe-garage-workshop-engineering/112828306037?
02:21 PM gloops: £3 and youre in the bidding
02:21 PM CaptHindsight: May not post to United States
02:21 PM gloops: its too far from me to collect too
02:22 PM fragalot: that looks like it's had a tough life
02:24 PM gloops: shellproof fragalot, you cant kill those things
02:24 PM gloops: but it is there, someone on a budget wants a lathe, you can pick them up for very little
02:31 PM CNCZombie: That thing made the tools that made the tools that made the Spitfire.
02:31 PM gloops: true yes, cast when britain ruled the world
02:32 PM gloops: only needs a motor and a bit of setting up, theres a lot of stuff you can make on that, daft as it may look
02:33 PM fragalot: needs a gear set for the leadscrew
02:33 PM CNCZombie: If you can cut flat and straight, you can eventually make anything else you need.
02:34 PM gloops: http://blacksmithandmachineshop.com/Book-lathe-Britannia-Using-a-Screw-cutting-Lathe.html
02:34 PM gloops: that is the lathe pictured i think
02:35 PM fragalot: looks like it
02:35 PM gloops: no 14, back geared
02:36 PM gloops: £18 new - wonder what that would have bought 120 years ago
02:36 PM gloops: a years wages
02:37 PM fragalot: gloops: headstock is seized, gap is missing.. certainly a project if you get it
02:38 PM gloops: gap missing?
02:38 PM fragalot: there's a bit that's supposed to go in that U bend
02:39 PM gloops: oh, you never use those
02:39 PM fragalot: that depends heavilly on what you do
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt
02:40 PM CaptHindsight: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31158001963940;view=1up;seq=10
02:40 PM gloops: well, even with a faceplate or catchpalte you should reach with the top slide
02:41 PM fragalot: I very much doubt that you'd reach that rigidly
02:42 PM gloops: you can take the saddle over 2 inch
02:43 PM CaptHindsight: lathe and saw $11, check page 69
02:44 PM gloops: 1968?
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: 1897
02:47 PM jym: 1776?
02:47 PM jym: 1492
02:47 PM jym: 8675309?
02:47 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AVON-2200-CNC-Milling-Machine/282858947491?
02:48 PM gloops: reserve not met though, probably 5k
02:48 PM jym: 1-900-BITE-ME ($9.99/per minute)
02:50 PM holzjunkie1 is now known as holzjunkie
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: $135 for a 4HP boiler and engine
02:51 PM gloops: if i knew how well, or not these old dovetails worked with stepper motors id buy one of these old lathes and adapt it to cnc
02:52 PM gloops: fitting screws isnt a massive obstacle, its just whether the linear bearings work
02:52 PM gregcnc_: why is dovetail a problem?
02:52 PM gloops: more friction
02:52 PM gregcnc_: plenty of box way lathes out there
02:53 PM gloops: you need the gibs tight on those
02:53 PM fragalot: dovetails just require a lot more finessing to get right
02:53 PM gloops: also liable to vibrate loose all the time
02:53 PM gregcnc_: example?
02:53 PM gloops: of?
02:53 PM fragalot: vibrating loose shouldn't really happen if they're done properly
02:53 PM gregcnc_: dovetail way in question
02:54 PM fragalot: but dovetails would work fine for a cnc conversion, gloops
02:54 PM gloops: im just saying, they offer more resistance than moder roller bearing ways
02:55 PM fragalot: well yeah, but with good way oil, the right gib adjustment, and properly sized steppers that's not an issue
02:56 PM gloops: not ideal for higher speeds really
02:56 PM gregcnc_: how fast do you want to go?
02:56 PM gloops: 200 ipm + is fairly typical for linear rails
02:57 PM gregcnc_: ho big is you lathe than you needs to rapid that fast?
02:57 PM gloops: im talking about converting one for wood turning
02:57 PM gregcnc_: OK, but still most lathe moves are not fast
02:58 PM gregcnc_: do you intend to have a tool changer?
02:58 PM gloops: no, it wouldnt cut with a fixed tool, it would need a spindle fitting
02:59 PM gregcnc_: in that case rapid moves make up a tiny fraction of a normal toolpath
03:00 PM gregcnc_: If i'm running 12 tools and need to clear the part for toolchange it adds up
03:00 PM gloops: youve got servos on your machine though
03:00 PM gregcnc_: no
03:00 PM gregcnc_: why would that matter?
03:01 PM gregcnc_: what I'm saying is giving up some rapid to keep costs low with an old machine may not be giving up much productivity in your case
03:01 PM gloops: more powerful, position guarantee
03:01 PM gregcnc_: my stepper late is accurate
03:02 PM gregcnc_: lathe
03:02 PM gloops: what size steppers/screw pitch
03:02 PM gregcnc_: and doesn't have rolling element ways, and rapids at 8m/min
03:04 PM gregcnc_: 3Nm, 5mm pitch
03:05 PM gloops: thats not bad then, there wouldnt be much be point in using an old cheap lathe if it needed £500 motors
03:06 PM hazzy: How about replacing the gib strip(?) with a new block with ballbearing rollers in it like they did on the 10EEs?
03:07 PM gloops: to fit the original ways?
03:07 PM hazzy: Yes
03:07 PM hazzy: Looks like there might be room
03:07 PM gloops: that might be a good idea if you can get such strips to fit
03:08 PM hazzy: This is what they have the the EEs: http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k19/Dave10EE/10EE%20rebuild/SaddleBearing.jpg
03:09 PM gloops: oh a roller, not ball bearings, dont know why i thought you meant balls by roller heh
03:10 PM hazzy: It just rides on the bed way. Seems crude, but then Monarch did it :)
03:10 PM gregcnc_: holymoly photpucket went fullretard
03:10 PM gregcnc_: where is that in the lathe?
03:11 PM gloops: youd need at least 2 rollers
03:11 PM hazzy: Back side of the saddle, were the plain gib normally would be
03:12 PM hazzy: IIRC the EE only had two, but I would put as many as possible to distribute the load and keep from rutting the way
03:12 PM Skullworks: PhotoBucket went full retard about a year ago - many who waited too long or would not pay up lost them all.
03:13 PM gregcnc_: it had just as many ads as tinypic posted earlier
03:14 PM * fragalot offers gregcnc_ a pile of adblockers
03:14 PM fragalot: I don't know how people survive on the internet without using at least basic ad blocking
03:15 PM gregcnc_: I opened it on chrome and don't use it normally
03:16 PM gregcnc_: my old yahoo mail account is begging me to whitelist
03:17 PM hazzy: BTW uBlock Origin is an absolutely amazing add blocker, I almost forgot adds exist: https://www.ublock.org/
03:17 PM gregcnc_: yeah it works great
03:17 PM fragalot: I use uBlock and a pihole combined
03:18 PM fragalot: absolutely brilliant.
03:18 PM Skullworks: I need to set up a pi-hole
03:19 PM Skullworks: thought I had it all working but the SDcard crapped out.
03:19 PM Tom_L: better than adblocker?
03:19 PM gregcnc_: yes
03:19 PM Skullworks: much better - because the adds never get downloaded to be blocked - more productive bandwidth for you.
03:20 PM Tom_L: what is pinhole?
03:20 PM fragalot: well worth it, mine still blocks ~20% of my internet traffic
03:20 PM Skullworks: PI hole
03:20 PM gregcnc_: just uBlock on Chrome, may as well
03:20 PM Tom_L: do you have to set up a bunch of exceptions?
03:21 PM Skullworks: a raspberry pi acting as a local DNS server that blocks add dns so they never hit your PC
03:21 PM fragalot: Tom_L: a pi-hole is a local DNS server that just blocks ads
03:21 PM fragalot: mine worked well "out of the box", haven't had to whitelist anything yet
03:22 PM Tom_L: ublock a ff addin?
03:22 PM fragalot: yes
03:22 PM fragalot: ublock origins
03:22 PM Tom_L: i'll have to look at it later
03:22 PM gregcnc_: Does ebay work OK for you? I think i had to whitelist it in uBlock or it was slow
03:22 PM fragalot: ebay appears to work fine
03:24 PM Skullworks: Only place I saw issues was trying to stream video from CBS.com or NBC.com and if an add failed to load it might not let the video continue.
03:24 PM gloops: i just got ublock from linux repository
03:24 PM Tom_L: i don't watch much news anyway. it's all usually bad
03:24 PM fragalot: the only thing that doesn't work well is southparkstudios when surfing in private mode.. appaers to work fine outside of private mode though
03:24 PM gloops: hmm does seem to be some slowing
03:25 PM fragalot: gloops: if anything, ublock should be faster as it loads much less traffic
03:25 PM Skullworks: JT - you here, or only in bot mode?
03:25 PM gloops: ive got some conflict with a tor browser i installed but wont open i think
03:26 PM fragalot: you don't want to use ublock in combination with tor
03:26 PM fragalot: with tor you don't even want to resize the window if you can help it
03:26 PM fragalot: anything "special" you do acts as an identifier, which contradicts to what tor is intended to do
03:27 PM gloops: tor didnt install properly, i think it is trying to run some features though, i need to delete it
03:28 PM gloops: nah seems ok with ublock actually
03:29 PM Tom_L: finished mounting the vise today
03:29 PM Tom_L: had to cut a slot for it
03:29 PM fragalot: have you inspected it to see if it's flat & square?
03:29 PM Tom_L: seems pretty nice
03:29 PM fragalot: neat:-)
03:30 PM Tom_L: came with an inspection report
03:30 PM Tom_L: .0001" for the most part
03:30 PM Tom_L: .0003" on bed height
03:30 PM fragalot: they all do, issue is that a lot of the cheaper ones warp after production
03:30 PM fragalot: the chinese do not like to age castings properly
03:31 PM Skullworks: Who can you trust to pour good iron now dyas?
03:32 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/Extra/A12_visejaw.jpg
03:32 PM Tom_L: anything's gotta be better than that sherline vise :D
03:32 PM fragalot: hehe
03:32 PM Skullworks: lumnum?
03:32 PM Tom_L: yup
03:33 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Vise2.jpg
03:33 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Vise_alignment_slot.jpg
03:33 PM fragalot: looking good :-)
03:33 PM Tom_L: needle doesn't move on the indicator
03:33 PM Tom_L: cut a new front shield for it too
03:34 PM Tom_L: so i've got one for it and one without
03:34 PM Skullworks: I had a Chick 16 x 4" tombstone vice on a 4th axis in a tupperware Haas VF0-E once upon a time, what a bad joke.
03:35 PM Tom_L: chick are decent vises i thought
03:35 PM Skullworks: These were all 7075 AL
03:35 PM gregcnc_: what were you cutting in them?
03:35 PM Skullworks: brass and AL
03:36 PM gregcnc_: hmm what kind of issues did you see?
03:36 PM Skullworks: laser optic holders etc - like you see at Edmonds Scientific.
03:37 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Vise3.jpg
03:38 PM fragalot: Tom_L: cut a cover for that screw too
03:38 PM fragalot: piece of rubber that just slidezs along with the moving jaw
03:38 PM Tom_L: yeah i've got some
03:38 PM Tom_L: wasn't real sure how to go about that though
03:38 PM Tom_L: bbiab
03:39 PM fragalot: mine's just bolted onto the jaw
03:39 PM Tom_L: pics worth 1k words
03:40 PM Skullworks: Issue was with 16 positions, that by the time you had all the work offsets perfect and had done qualifing first article inspections (ISO9002) you had burned through a bunch of setup material. Plus - load/unload required MDI a axis moves and took sometimes 30-40 minutes.
03:40 PM fragalot: it's literally just a piece of rubber bolted onto the moving jaw using the 2 bolt holes that are already there and a metal strip
03:40 PM gloops: nigel farage closes 2018 CPAC, i would have thought it was against the rules for an english man to even be there lol
03:40 PM Skullworks: That meant other machines would finish and sit idle while the operator was tied up.
03:41 PM Skullworks: Also for runs under 500 parts its a major waste of setup time.
03:41 PM fragalot: basically the same thing you've got for your way covers, except one end is flapping in the breeze :P
03:42 PM gregcnc_: Were you working three sides?
03:42 PM Skullworks: and if a tool goes out of spec during a cycle you could loose up to 16 parts.
03:44 PM Skullworks: Like this - but there were 2 bi-loc vises per side for 16 locations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=8vriMFebH-k
03:45 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si1uU2Z0yNM <= 27 minutes in,.. if you still think a vise can slip when loaded sideways,.... :-)
03:45 PM roycroft: nigel farage shows up at every cpac these days
03:45 PM roycroft: he's trump's best buddy, next to putin
03:46 PM gregcnc_: the vise may not, but parts often do
03:47 PM hazzy: fragalot: I did not know he got the shaper going. Nice!
03:47 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: sure, but typically that's becaues they aren't clamped correctly
03:47 PM fragalot: (with normal cutting loads)
03:47 PM gregcnc_: depends how hard you're pushing
03:48 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: she had issues with a toolbit slipping when using her mill as a lathe for 1/8th or smaller stock
03:49 PM fragalot: hazzy: yeah, it's a beast, haha.
03:49 PM gregcnc_: what do you make with a shaper these days that you needs done next week not today?
03:50 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: a shaper can make anything except for money.
03:50 PM fragalot: however..
03:50 PM gregcnc_: ok i agree
03:50 PM fragalot: you can probably buy a decent shaper to make one-off keyways cheaper than you could buy a single odd sized broach
03:51 PM gregcnc_: for abom size keyways probably
03:51 PM fragalot: the broaches that guy uses are madness
03:52 PM jthornton: Tom_L: nice looking
03:52 PM fragalot: i'm off. ttylm
03:55 PM Tom_L: thanks
03:58 PM Tom_L: why was i thinking between the vise jaws... i see what he meant now :)
03:58 PM Tom_L: duh
03:58 PM miss0r: Drilling 16mm holes only to discover there was something hard in the workpiece that make the tool deflect.. GAH ! bananna shaped holes
03:59 PM miss0r: Now I have the workpiece in the lathe trying to bore it straight. What a nightmare
03:59 PM Tom_L: always something...
04:06 PM Deejay: gn8
04:08 PM Wolfmetalfab is now known as Wolf__
04:29 PM miss0r: Just my luck :D I bored one of the holes to oversize(unintented) Now I need to make a bushing :-/ *sigh*
04:31 PM methods_: how much over?
04:32 PM miss0r: 0.02mm
04:32 PM miss0r: i.e. I need to bore it larger, then make a bushing ;)
04:32 PM methods_: ouch
04:32 PM methods_: is that .02 over really going to ruin the part?
04:32 PM miss0r: Yeah... I should be sleeping :)
04:33 PM methods_: what's going in there?
04:33 PM miss0r: Absolutly
04:33 PM miss0r: a ground rod, this part needs to be clamping around with close to no movement
04:33 PM methods_: you can't peen it?
04:34 PM miss0r: peen?
04:34 PM methods_: peen the edges of the hole to keep it tight
04:34 PM miss0r: like using a punch?
04:34 PM methods_: yes
04:34 PM miss0r: oh noes :)
04:35 PM methods_: ah ok
04:35 PM miss0r: I'm thinking i'll make three brass bushings to slide in there
04:35 PM miss0r: I might even get away with calling it design
04:41 PM miss0r: bleh. If I only had a 16mm H7 reamer, I would not be in this mess
04:41 PM miss0r: I Need to go order one
04:56 PM Skullworks: Never trust a reamer until you use it to do a test cut in identical material.
04:57 PM miss0r: Hard to find 'identical' material here. I had a bunch of hard spots in this steel
05:00 PM miss0r: With mistakes like this, My EDM build is taking _forever_
05:21 PM miss0r: That'll do for tonight see you around
05:36 PM jthornton: damn tornado watch just to the south of us now
05:43 PM Tom_L: gettin an early start this year ehh?
07:18 PM MarcelineVQ: should be an interesting spring/summer based on this winter
07:53 PM XXCoder: theres 2 ethernet wires coming out of wall here now. yayyy
07:53 PM XXCoder: not so yay: both is still disconnected at both ends
07:58 PM pink_vampire: hi
08:00 PM XXCoder: hey pink
08:45 PM pink_vampire: hi XXCoder
08:45 PM pink_vampire: are you here?
08:45 PM XXCoder: yeah
08:46 PM pink_vampire: i was trying today to work with tormach 440 with pathpilot controller
08:46 PM pink_vampire: and i have one thing to say
08:47 PM XXCoder: yeah?
08:47 PM pink_vampire: pathpilot is just just look good. the normal linux cnc is much much much better in any way
08:48 PM XXCoder: yeah I remember when you used mach3 and we told you to use linuxcnc :)
08:48 PM XXCoder: been a while
08:48 PM pink_vampire: and the size of the table is a bad joke
08:48 PM XXCoder: but whats issues with pathpilot
08:49 PM pink_vampire: soooo limited
08:49 PM pink_vampire: and there is no access to the linux itself
08:49 PM pink_vampire: no menu
08:49 PM pink_vampire: just buttons that you have to memorize
08:50 PM XXCoder: wow. well for some thats great I guess. less chance of damaging controller os
08:53 PM pink_vampire: linux cnc is like a pc, pathpilot is more like a smartphone.. it look nice and slick and yes you can use it, but is is limited
08:53 PM XXCoder: interesting
08:53 PM XXCoder: so you bought a tormach eh
08:53 PM pink_vampire: no, just help someone
08:54 PM XXCoder: ahh cool
08:54 PM pink_vampire: the 440 is half the size of the g0704
08:55 PM pink_vampire: now that 440 is without an ATC..
08:56 PM pink_vampire: so to work with the tool offsets is just crazy stupid
08:57 PM XXCoder: no ATC?
08:57 PM XXCoder: odd
08:58 PM pink_vampire: not even power drawbar
09:00 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder:
09:00 PM XXCoder: man
09:01 PM XXCoder: how much is tomach 440 anyway
09:01 PM pink_vampire: 4000~
09:01 PM XXCoder: geez
09:02 PM pink_vampire: i was so surprise to work with it
09:03 PM pink_vampire: and the finish on my g0704 is better
09:03 PM XXCoder: whats finish on tomach like
09:04 PM pink_vampire: not mirror like mine
09:06 PM pink_vampire: i think the servos on my g0704 doing much better job then the micro steppers on the 440
09:06 PM pink_vampire: the Z axis stepper on the 440 is sooo small
09:08 PM XXCoder: fun
09:10 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: my g0704 https://i.imgur.com/xQlMTNA.jpg
09:13 PM XXCoder: yeah definitely clean finish
09:17 PM pink_vampire: 440 x-10” y-6.25” z-10” g0704 x-17.5" y- 6 z-12"
09:17 PM pink_vampire: this is the travel ^
09:17 PM XXCoder: small but not too bad
09:17 PM XXCoder: can make many parts
09:18 PM pink_vampire: you mean the 440?
09:18 PM XXCoder: yeah
09:19 PM pink_vampire: this is the minimum kit from tormach that come with the stand https://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=35683&portrelay=1
09:19 PM pink_vampire: 7,400$
09:19 PM XXCoder: yeah just too much
09:20 PM pink_vampire: for about 5K i got the g0704 withe huge 4 servos, conversion kit, and electrical panel with made in germany parts
09:21 PM pink_vampire: so the only advantage that the tormach have right now is better spindle..
09:24 PM XXCoder: not much of advange for few k more
09:25 PM pink_vampire: 9K more :)
09:30 PM XXCoder: ok
09:34 PM pink_vampire: do you think i can use my normal g code that run on the g0704 on the tormach 440?
09:35 PM XXCoder: most of it yes
09:35 PM Wolf__: 7400-5000=9k?
09:35 PM pink_vampire: ??
09:35 PM XXCoder: gcode isnt quite universal so theres some differences
09:35 PM Wolf__: oh spindle speed
09:35 PM XXCoder: for example one machine at work requires g49 before tool change
09:35 PM pink_vampire: i mean pure linux cnc VS pathpilot
09:36 PM XXCoder: yet another you cannot change tool to same tool currently on spindle and it will stop dead with error
09:36 PM Wolf__: might be some diffrent code
09:36 PM XXCoder: so on and on
09:36 PM Wolf__: just run diffrent post cam
09:36 PM XXCoder: you would need to figure what works and what does not
09:36 PM pink_vampire: i just dont want to work with tool offsets (i'm using normal r8 collets )
09:36 PM XXCoder: Wolf__: sometimes we have to manually port gcode to different machine
09:37 PM Wolf__: yeah
09:38 PM pink_vampire: on my machine i just removed from the post the declaration of info about the tool. and i love g61
09:38 PM Wolf__: pink you can’t use tool offsets w/out tool holding, so it should all work the same
09:39 PM pink_vampire: the pathpilot force you to put it
09:39 PM Wolf__: I just set my post to make my code so I dont have to mess with it
09:40 PM Wolf__: path pilot can’t force anything
09:40 PM Wolf__: it just processes and runs the code
09:41 PM pink_vampire: try to un-home an axis...
09:42 PM Wolf__: what the heck is un-home a axis?
09:43 PM Wolf__: and why would you want to, axis is either homed or crashed
09:44 PM pink_vampire: the z axis limit switch was press and the machine jump to reset, and if you try to release it is jump again, and in normal linux cnc, you just un-home the axis, and jog, here you need to reboot the whole computer to let you run the homing
09:45 PM Wolf__: jump?
09:46 PM pink_vampire: jump what?
09:46 PM Wolf__: wtf is jump to reset
09:48 PM pink_vampire: pathpilot was go back to reset mode (like the e stop is press)
09:48 PM Wolf__: sounds like a hardware setup error
09:49 PM pink_vampire: it was annoying
09:49 PM pink_vampire: but nothing was annoying as the tormach remote
09:50 PM Wolf__: this was a full tormach machine you were using?
09:50 PM pink_vampire: yes
09:50 PM pink_vampire: full one just without ATC
09:51 PM Wolf__: sounds like it was messed up, shouldn’t lock up just hitting home switch
09:51 PM pink_vampire: it was brand new
09:52 PM pink_vampire: https://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=30616
09:52 PM pink_vampire: this is just fucking garbage
09:53 PM Wolf__: yeah those arent very impressive
09:53 PM pink_vampire: you have no feel in your hand, and you can move only 1 axis at the time
09:53 PM XXCoder: that jog wheel lol
09:53 PM Wolf__: I’ll stick with my game pad
09:54 PM XXCoder: all pendants I ever sued at work can only move one axis a time
09:54 PM Wolf__: yeah, thats normal MPG feature
09:54 PM pink_vampire: and the thing that make it 100% garbage is the fact that you control you Z axis with left and right wheel
09:54 PM Wolf__: they probably figure cnc operators cant handle more then one axis at a time =P
09:55 PM XXCoder: wolf thats false only up to a point
09:55 PM Wolf__: lol
09:55 PM Wolf__: also only one pulse wheel
09:55 PM XXCoder: with larger machines it can be diffult to see where tool is moving if its moving in both one of x or y axis and z
09:56 PM pink_vampire: now there is something that make it even more garbage, this is not continues rotation encoder, it is a spring loaded
09:57 PM Wolf__: well if its shit, dont buy it
09:57 PM pink_vampire: i had to use it for few hours
09:57 PM pink_vampire: it was soo annoying
09:58 PM Wolf__: I never complain when using equipment that its mine
09:58 PM Wolf__: unless I’m paying to use it
09:58 PM Wolf__: s/its/isnt
10:02 PM pink_vampire: all the time i had a feeling that the g0704 is a sub standard compared to the "tormach", but after today i'm feel much better with the g0704. not only better cuts but also much better and less limited controller
10:02 PM pink_vampire: Wolf__: ^
10:03 PM Wolf__: I dunno, I’m not really a tormach fan either
10:03 PM Wolf__: TTS is nice tho
10:03 PM Wolf__: past that…
10:03 PM pink_vampire: Wolf__: no! tts is junk
10:04 PM Wolf__: how do you figure?
10:04 PM pink_vampire: is a gimmick
10:04 PM Wolf__: so, R8 end mill holders are better?
10:05 PM Wolf__: I mean for a R8 spindled machine
10:07 PM pink_vampire: normal R8 collet is fit so tight om the shank, the tts a bit over size,as what i compered normal 3/4" to the tts holder, and i don't see what i need the 1.5" holder stick out from the machine, and pay extra for not as good as you think holder.
10:08 PM Wolf__: I’m open for suggestions on better repeatable tool holding for cnc ops
10:08 PM pink_vampire: is you really need an ATC for r8.. maybe. but home the home gamer, just use a collet and tool setter.
10:09 PM Wolf__: for the last couple things I did in my mill the extra length of the tts holder actually helped
10:10 PM Wolf__: but my quill is like 4” or something at the nose (spindle only sticks down about 3/8”)
10:10 PM pink_vampire: and you need to remember the tts is based of the surface of the holder to make contact with the spindle. so if you don't push it in all the way it is not work.
10:11 PM Wolf__: collet pulls it in also
10:11 PM pink_vampire: yeah.. but the tts collet is over size..
10:11 PM Wolf__: and I dont know what you mean about normal R8 tight fit at shank
10:11 PM pink_vampire: you need to put you hand
10:13 PM Wolf__: I run roughers in the weldon type TTS, my finish end mills are in TTS ER collets
10:14 PM pink_vampire: i mean if i took normal 3/4" collet, you can feel it grab the tool even if you close the drawbar with your fingers, but withe "tts" collet you need to close it with the wrench to make is grab the tool, in my opinion the tts feel a bit loos and over size
10:15 PM Wolf__: huh, its the same as putting a 3/4 end mill in a 3/4 R8 collet
10:16 PM pink_vampire: i was thinking the same until today
10:16 PM Wolf__: idk, I use a impact gun to run my drawbar in right now
10:17 PM Wolf__: need to build the air drive cruncher still
10:17 PM pink_vampire: you probably over torque it, i'm hand tight my drawbar and it cut perfect
10:17 PM Wolf__: that will have about 3/4” of pull @ 2300lbs
10:18 PM Wolf__: you must be cutting small stuff, I had a end mill walk out of my R8 3/8 collet
10:18 PM Wolf__: that was w/ using a regular wrench
10:19 PM pink_vampire: get better collet
10:19 PM pink_vampire: or end mill
10:19 PM Wolf__: 3/8 end mill, 0.20” chip load @ 1.25” doc
10:20 PM pink_vampire: 0.2" chip load?
10:20 PM Wolf__: oops 0.02”
10:21 PM Wolf__: idk that was 2 weeks ago
10:21 PM pink_vampire: sound too much
10:22 PM pink_vampire: in plastic i run 0.1mm (0.004") max on 1/8"
10:22 PM Wolf__: either way the work didn’t move, mill didn’t bog any but the damn end mill pulled out enough that it ate the bottom of the pocket out
10:23 PM Wolf__: you cant really compare a 1/8 to 3/8…
10:23 PM pink_vampire: i beat it was vibrate like crazy
10:24 PM Wolf__: glass smooth cut on the sidewall
10:25 PM pink_vampire: i have no idea how you did that
10:26 PM Wolf__: feeds and speeds...
10:27 PM pink_vampire: and the feed and speed is?
10:28 PM pink_vampire: what is the rpm?
10:28 PM Wolf__: 1.25” DOC, 0.022” WOC, in 6160, 300rpm @ 3ipm
10:28 PM Wolf__: shipload is 0.0047”/tooth, 0.02hp
10:29 PM Wolf__: I think that rpm isnt what I was using, but I dont feel like walking down to see what the machine is set at
10:30 PM pink_vampire: chip load of 0.0047”is make sense, you said 0.02"
10:31 PM Wolf__: WOC is 0.022"
10:31 PM pink_vampire: ok...
10:32 PM pink_vampire: so it is almost zero load..
10:32 PM Wolf__: so cutting out 0.02” of material per pass
10:32 PM pink_vampire: climb or conventional?
10:34 PM Wolf__: both lol
10:34 PM Skullworks: Plane old R8 sold EM holders - kinda pain to change cause of the full length, but if the tool is clamped with a proper woldon flat it will stay dead on.
10:35 PM Wolf__: yeah, the TTS weldon worked good for me so far
10:36 PM Wolf__: only issue I have is I dont have enough of them =0
10:36 PM Wolf__: =)
10:36 PM Skullworks: I won't use a TTS unless its on the wimpy-slow pokey (router table with an X2 head)
10:37 PM Skullworks: that motor can't pull the tool out
10:37 PM Wolf__: heh
10:37 PM Wolf__: oddly I dont have any R8 weldon holders
10:38 PM Wolf__: full set of hardinge collets tho
10:38 PM pink_vampire: it take me about 30 secs to change tools, the tts is maybe faster, but i didnt impressed with the runout and the tts collet, i like short stubby tolls in old fashion collet
10:38 PM Skullworks: but the 2.2Kw 4000rpm mills - they are retained. U200 or R8 with draw bar.
10:39 PM Wolf__: mine is only a 1hp 2300rpm max baby knee mill so
10:40 PM pink_vampire: 1000rpm here :(
10:40 PM Skullworks: I am hunting for small servos to do a lathe retro fit, keep getting the stepper with feed backs in search results.
10:41 PM Wolf__: new or used
10:41 PM pink_vampire: Skullworks: what kind of servos are you looking for?
10:41 PM Skullworks: Feedback is good - but I don't want the rpm / accel handicap of a stepper.
10:42 PM Wolf__: check ebay for kollmorgen 342
10:42 PM Wolf__: can sometimes find them cheap
10:42 PM pink_vampire: I'm using the largest dc name 34 from automation technology with the g320x
10:43 PM Skullworks: http://www.tomatech-cnc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ColumnId=98&ArticleId=605&Language=36&Terminal=41
10:43 PM pink_vampire: 220v ??
10:43 PM Wolf__: 342 are 3 phase brushless w/ halls
10:44 PM Skullworks: can use 110VAC to controller - its only like 2A
10:45 PM pink_vampire: do you have them?
10:45 PM pink_vampire: or you want to get them?
10:46 PM Wolf__: I have 3 kollmorgen 342 but I’m not selling them =P
10:46 PM Skullworks: I want full feedback, and about 3000 rpm. AND I am hoping for amps that can run directly from wall power 115/230VAC 1 ph.
10:46 PM pink_vampire: what do you mean by full feedback?
10:46 PM Skullworks: without an additional power supply.
10:47 PM Wolf__: Skullworks: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yis13tmyj1e599s/silverlinedp.pdf?dl=0 is the spec sheet for them kollmorgen
10:47 PM Skullworks: want to be able to share encoder output with LCNC and Index for homing.
10:48 PM Wolf__: can run them off a AMC B25A20
10:48 PM pink_vampire: not going to give you anything
10:48 PM pink_vampire: index signal you are getting every 1/4 of rotation
10:49 PM Wolf__: and the encoders are on the 342 servos are usdigital so cheap ish to swap out
10:49 PM pink_vampire: Skullworks: this is the kit i have on my machine https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema-34-dc-servo-motor/4-axis-nema34/
10:51 PM Skullworks: I have a turning center and a few Hurco mills - I love the fact that if I have to E-stop the machine still knows where it is. If I power down for a day or week and come back and re-home I know I am within 0.00005" of last homed position.
10:51 PM Wolf__: that does help lol
10:54 PM Skullworks: Won't use gecko for x/y/z - the old G320 could be off by 128 encoder counts and still be considered "in position"
10:54 PM Tom_L: hope it's temp compensated too
10:54 PM Tom_L: it will grow alot more than that in a day
10:55 PM pink_vampire: Skullworks: i had the same dream. but it is just much easier to add 3 limit switches, the major problem is that each axis is move a bit after you kill the power and renew it.
10:55 PM Skullworks: but home is at one end - true the far end wil waver with thermal.
10:56 PM Wolf__: hmm, sucks, no cheap silver line servos, all around $200 ea
10:56 PM Connor: So, question: Those of you with manual mills with DRO's Does your scales have Covers over them? Mine came with covers.. but, honestly, I'm not sure I want to put them on.. the one for the back is going to cost me more travel.. and the one for the Y may have to be re-bent or I may have to move the scales down so that the cover can contact the aluminum bar behind...
10:57 PM Wolf__: well, you dont want chips getting in it
10:57 PM Connor: the Z, I will have to do a funky wrap around bracket and point the cover AWAY from the mill for it to offer any protection..
10:57 PM Wolf__: plus the cover will eat some force when you forget the scale is back there
10:58 PM Wolf__: my Y axis scale was a total pain in the ass https://i.imgur.com/RQJrIWW.jpg
10:59 PM pink_vampire: Skullworks: on the g320x you have 4 leds, green power, green in position, yellow for more then 2 encoder lines, and red id it is more then the max value you set. is the motors are mach to the torque of the axis, it is NEVER will be in the yellow
10:59 PM Skullworks: I like what they did with Clear path servos - except they are not chip/coolant safe and they are targeted as a smart replacement for steppers.
11:00 PM pink_vampire: i don't think that you can get the data from the clear path encoder
11:00 PM Skullworks: I have a 320 and 320X - I'm going to use for the 4th axis.
11:01 PM Skullworks: that is correct - not in "run" mode.
11:01 PM Connor: Uploading my photos.. stand by..
11:02 PM pink_vampire: Connor: ......
11:05 PM Connor: http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/bridgeport/IMG_3657.jpg
11:05 PM Wolf__: Skullworks: https://i.imgur.com/98Zgc5G.jpg
11:05 PM Connor: http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/bridgeport/IMG_3658.jpg
11:05 PM Connor: http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/bridgeport/IMG_3659.jpg
11:05 PM pink_vampire: dro?
11:05 PM Connor: yea
11:05 PM pink_vampire: glass?
11:05 PM Connor: yea
11:06 PM pink_vampire: what resolution?
11:06 PM Skullworks: I will look into those kollmorgen - at least the documentation is great.
11:07 PM Wolf__: yeah, replacement encoders are $75 also
11:07 PM Wolf__: so if the ones on the motors dont match what you want them to do
11:07 PM pink_vampire: is there any advantage to them over the g320x?
11:07 PM Connor: 5um
11:07 PM Connor: http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/bridgeport/IMG_3650.jpg
11:07 PM pink_vampire: is that the ebay ones?
11:08 PM Wolf__: Connor: https://i.imgur.com/jYLQf6R.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Wu1SS1S.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jQjZHNP.jpg
11:08 PM Connor: Yes/No. They're on ebay.. I bought them direct from www.tpactools.com
11:08 PM Skullworks: Conner - I just installed a kit like that on my Uncles BP in Nov.
11:08 PM Skullworks: same cast angle brackets
11:09 PM Connor: Yea. I had to cut that one short.. and stack the cutoff between it and the saddle.. :)
11:09 PM Wolf__: I think they all come with those same cast brackets lol
11:09 PM Skullworks: except he bought the .0001 glass.
11:09 PM pink_vampire: i want to try using the glass scale as my encoder for the g320x
11:09 PM Connor: .0002 is more than enough.
11:10 PM Wolf__: 1um scales on the mill will drive you nuts
11:10 PM Connor: The DRO goes out to 5 decimal places which is driving me nuts.. no way to limit it to 4 yet..
11:10 PM Wolf__: black tape Connor
11:10 PM Connor: Yea, well.. then it covers up stuff when you use functions etc..
11:10 PM Wolf__: unless you have the fancy LCD type
11:11 PM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/xPohnls.jpg
11:11 PM Connor: the 3-axis model has a way to set it to 4 vs 5, but I have the 4-axis which oddly enough, doesn't have that feature??
11:11 PM Wolf__: my mill has the ES-12B on it
11:12 PM Connor: so, http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/bridgeport/IMG_3658.jpg in that picture.. You can see I have enough room to put my shield on.. but.. it's designed to be FLUSH with the scale..
11:12 PM pink_vampire: Wolf__: the dro display is almost nice as a cnc controller
11:12 PM Connor: because of the aluminum bar.. it won't be..
11:12 PM Wolf__: I attached mine to the mounting ears
11:13 PM Connor: so.. I either have to flatten it out.. or maybe flip the bar so it drop the scale down.
11:13 PM Wolf__: on my Y axis
11:13 PM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/jQjZHNP.jpg you can see the nut in this pic on the knee mounted scale
11:13 PM Connor: let me see if I can find a picture of the covers.. I didn't take any.
11:15 PM Wolf__: dro everywhere https://i.imgur.com/PhftEBY.jpg lol
11:16 PM Connor: http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/4/4/5/1/6/9/webimg/548632148_o.jpg
11:16 PM Connor: okay.. you can see the covers in that picture..
11:17 PM Wolf__: cast end caps or plasict?
11:17 PM Connor: Basically Angle, with a small angle above it..
11:17 PM Connor: sheet metal.
11:17 PM Connor: super thin stuff.
11:17 PM Wolf__: yeah, I just drilled two holes and bolted the cover to the top of the scale w/ a nut as a spacer
11:18 PM Wolf__: on all 3 covers
11:18 PM Connor: yea, but I can't don that with the Y. The cover isn't wide enough due that stupid bar..
11:19 PM Wolf__: really you just need to keep the chips from getting in to the read head
11:19 PM Connor: I wonder how well I can flatten it out..
11:20 PM Wolf__: shouldn’t be hard, might break off tho
11:20 PM Connor: What about the Z? If I put the head AWAY from the table.. I'll have to do some funky wrap around stuff for the shield to do any good?
11:20 PM Wolf__: being folded alum
11:20 PM Wolf__: Connor: https://i.imgur.com/jYLQf6R.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Wu1SS1S.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jQjZHNP.jpg
11:20 PM Wolf__: yeah, funky bracket mess is needed
11:21 PM Connor: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BIT17B0I9fM/Vh8CLhsvebI/AAAAAAABV84/uiknn3A4JLw/s1600/Turret%2BMill%2BDro%2BInstallation_Page_07.jpg
11:21 PM Connor: That's what I'm talking about.. that's how they did their Z..
11:22 PM Wolf__: yeah, thats the best possible setup
11:22 PM Wolf__: I had stuff in my way for that
11:23 PM Skullworks: wolf - your DRO everywhere is going to earn a Johnny Dangerously rating - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufH4eZ7sF_I
11:23 PM Wolf__: if you look at one of my Z pics you can see chips on the head
11:24 PM Wolf__: Skullworks: yeah lol forgot that was on the bench in that pic
11:24 PM Connor: skunkworks__: Any pictures of your uncles?
11:25 PM Wolf__: I couldn’t mount my Z scale on the right side of my mill or I would have mounted it like that pic you linked
11:25 PM Skullworks: No worries - was an FFL type 07 for 12 years, still have all the codes and fixtures...:)
11:26 PM Wolf__: =) I’m working towards 07 myself
11:26 PM Connor: err.. Skullworks
11:28 PM Skullworks: Tomorrow maybe - I'm going to pick up 5 Kurt Vises and maybe Bid on his 618 surface grinder. Might buy his BP - the Okuma LK lathe and grinder if I can afford the total.
11:28 PM Skullworks: He died suddenly in late December
11:28 PM Connor: Oh, I'm sorry.
11:29 PM Wolf__: I would mount it as suggested, the brackets just look like a pain in the ass but they really are not that bad
11:30 PM Skullworks: I'n a way he got lucky - was in for a long hard road with liver cancer - had a bad reaction on 4th Chemo and died a week later.
11:30 PM Connor: They didn't suggest a good way to mount it. Plus, I have to deal with the taper and rounded edge of the column..
11:30 PM Connor: Not sure how I'm going to do it.
11:31 PM Wolf__: lmao, thats the fun part
11:31 PM Skullworks: Drill and tap the brackets so you can use jack screws to level out the brackets.
11:32 PM Connor: I've been using available tapped holes everywhere I could.. :)
11:32 PM Wolf__: getting creative is name of the game for DRO installs https://i.imgur.com/0CawFmP.jpg
11:33 PM Wolf__: I ended up tapping the knee and put jack screws on the inside to get the scale mount straight
11:33 PM Connor: http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/bridgeport/IMG_3658.jpg The one for the strain relief was already there. the rear most one on the saddle was already there.. and the two holding the aluminum bar where already there.
11:34 PM Connor: Just HOW accurate do they need to be? The "manual" says .003"
11:34 PM Wolf__: I dont know, I got mine in around 1-2 thou
11:35 PM Connor: I didn't check the one on the back of the table.. I just made sure that it was flush with the bottom on both sides and hide the same spacing as the blue head heepers that came with it..
11:35 PM Connor: hide = had
11:35 PM Wolf__: the Z I just kinda got it to the point where it wasn’t binding lol
11:36 PM Connor: Yea, at some point.. it's just.. good 'nuf..
11:36 PM Connor: I barely touch the Y bracket and it changes the reading..
11:36 PM Wolf__: not like my dro set was expensive tho either lol
11:41 PM Wolf__: recheck höw the bracket is, mine doesn’t drift w/ the axis locked
11:41 PM Skullworks: I will be building a little Seig X3 conversion if someone doesn't buy it off me first - use it mainly as a dedicated CNC engraving machine with 4th axis. People seem to pay money to get tubes engraved...
11:42 PM Wolf__: hehe form one tubes?
11:42 PM Skullworks: I need to get rid of all the small machines taking up space.
11:42 PM Skullworks: both
11:43 PM Skullworks: I used to do 12 marathon sessions for other 07's that did noth have CNC milling with high speed - I have a 24K spindle for my Hurco.
11:43 PM Wolf__: i need to get my x2 cnc build done for that stuff as well
11:44 PM Skullworks: 12hr
11:45 PM Skullworks: 6:1 planetary gear ER11 spindle speeder head - cost just under $9000.
11:46 PM Wolf__: nice
11:46 PM Wolf__: like a dummy I looked at a stand alone highspeed setup at a auction that was priced super cheap but didn’t buy it
11:48 PM Skullworks: I used to make ingot molds for bullet casters - Engraved as "Freedom Bullion".
11:48 PM Wolf__: lol nice
11:49 PM Skullworks: I have a 3# that is engraved Toxic Waste
11:49 PM Wolf__: lol
11:50 PM Skullworks: And have about 3800lbs of those ingots in the garage
11:51 PM Skullworks: 45acp SMG consumes too much lead when you use the std 230gr RN mold.
11:51 PM Wolf__: hah yeah
11:52 PM Skullworks: I don't use it as much these days - they don't pay you to haul off the lead like they did in the good old days.
11:54 PM Wolf__: I think the last time the range I shoot at had lead removal done they actually made money off of it
11:54 PM Skullworks: I'm sure
11:55 PM Skullworks: Thankfully my business and retirement plan covers all that.
11:55 PM Wolf__: I haven’t gotten in to casting yet…
11:56 PM Wolf__: not sure I want to lol
11:56 PM Skullworks: I bought a ranch with extra buildings for my shop - so the shop does not have to pay rent.
11:57 PM Wolf__: thats the way to do it
11:57 PM Skullworks: The ranch had a pre-existing 225yrd range with berm and steel "T" post target stands.
11:58 PM Wolf__: nice
11:58 PM Skullworks: Closed eco cycle - shoot - reclaim - recast - reload - repeat.
11:58 PM Wolf__: lol